14 teams confirmed for Arbalet EU

25-4-2010 22:07

The organizers of Arbalet Cup Europe have released a series of informations regarding the upcoming event in mid-May.

Arbalet Cup Europe 2010 was last week announced to take place from 14-16 May in Stockholm, Sweden. Back then a series of teams got confirmed to be attending, today the list adds up to fourteen teams confirmed in attending the event, the teams are as follows:

fnatic	SK Gaming
MYM	H2k Gaming
mTw	Ravens
mousesports	Alternate
WeMade FOX	Frag eXecutors
Evil Geniuses	PinG
UNiTED	forZe

The last two participating teams will be announced in a few days.

It has furthermore been announced that the $5,000 originally set aside for the All-Star tournament, has been put into the total prize pot, also meaning that there will be no All-Star tournament. The $37,000 prize pot will be distributed as follows:

1. $15,000
2. $10,000
3. $6,000
4. $3,000
5-6. $1,000
5-6. $1,000
7-8. $500
7-8. $500

The organizers have also announced that the tournament structure will be played as follows: On Friday 14 May, the first group stage will be played, consisting of four groups of four teams. Eight teams will advance to day to being played Saturday 15 May, which will also be a group stage, seeing two groups of four teams. Four participants will advance to the final stages of Arbalet Cup Europe, where the four teams will fight it out in a single elimination bracket, playing best-of-three maps.

Stay tuned for Arbalet Cup Europe 2010 kicking off 14-16 May, with HLTV.org on site to bring you all of the action from the three days in Stockholm, Sweden.

woah group a looks super stacked

2010-04-25 22:08

2 replies

It's not groups..

2010-04-25 22:09

LOL. those arent them but regardless the groups are all goin to be difficult maybe a few upsets too

2010-04-26 04:48

+ Na'Vi plz xD

2010-04-25 22:09

There will be a lot of interesting matches.

2010-04-25 22:11

+ pz.fi plz :(

2010-04-25 22:12

Really funny not to have Na`Vi at this big tournament.

2010-04-25 22:13

26 replies

Will see about that...

2010-04-25 22:14

25 replies

2010-04-25 22:14

5 replies

www.hltv.org/news/4181-united-demolish-navi-hopes see #18

2010-04-25 22:16

4 replies

See number 21 there. They had their chance, and didn't make it. Would be really shit if they got invited after they failed today. I would love it, just to make it clear, but it wouldn't be too fair to some other teams that didn't even have the chance to qualify. They at least did.

2010-04-25 22:22

3 replies

we can say NaVi it's Arbalet team, and now Arbalet must invite at his tournament two teams, but not NaVi? lol... where u can find that this is unfair? three teams from qualification join this tournament as rules says, alsou rules says there can be two invited teams. where u can find problem? cant understand your logic...

2010-04-25 23:05

2 replies

cbteam + NaVi invite maybe

2010-04-25 23:09

yes, u talked very sensibly

2010-04-26 04:26

if Na'Vi got directly invited it would be uber sucks! they failed in qual, so sorry :/ I do really like them, but it'd be so unfair for other teams! would be great to see cbteam and Tyloo

2010-04-25 22:20

18 replies

Life sucks we have to admit sometimes you win sometimes you lose, let's see what happens i wouldn't bet on Na´Vi skipping this event even if they lost the qualifiers.

2010-04-25 22:24

But still, it would bring up the level of the tournament right? I mean, who would you invite, if the invites would not go to Na´Vi?

2010-04-25 22:27

11 replies

Someone who didn't even have the chance to qualify like they did :P

2010-04-25 23:08

5 replies

I agree to some extend, I'd still like to see Na´Vi participate, for the sake of the tournament and the spectators.

2010-04-25 23:16

4 replies

Of course, me too! Just...there should more quals :) French teams, Spanish and few others didn't even have the chance to get there at all. Norwegian teams also.

2010-04-25 23:20

1 reply

#61. and it's an invite tour for top teams, only cis qual...

2010-04-26 07:06

they don't have the level anymore :/

2010-04-26 17:22

1 reply

Okay, so a fourth place at Arbalet Cup CIS rules them out? What about mTw or Ravens for that matter then?

2010-04-26 17:25

C H E A P T I M E S!!!

2010-04-26 14:12

4 replies

Faagan, Arcadion, Karrigan, turkiz, nuggi... Am I right about the lineup?

2010-04-26 14:42

1 reply

Yea :)

2010-04-26 23:40

2010-04-26 21:46

haha yea Cheaptimes would own them all srry to say.. :)

2010-04-26 22:45

well, all not CIS teams got the spot without quals because they are good teams. And Na'vi is a good team.

2010-04-25 22:46

how many times have Frag eXecutors failed a qual and got invited anyways? :) - so i cant see why that is unfair.. they are one of the best teams in the world, they should be there no matter what.

2010-04-26 13:48

1 reply

none? they attended those events, cuz one of teams couldnt attend, so there was free spot it wasnt direct invite from organisators

2010-04-26 21:14

+1 tyloo plz!

2010-04-26 16:24

yes it would suck. And Na'vi has had their 15 minutes of fame, they can step down from their high pedistals now :-)

2010-04-27 09:31

1. SK-GAMING $15,000 2. FNATIC $10,000 3. PING $6,000 4. MOUSESPORTS $3,000 5-6. FX - EG $1,000

2010-04-25 22:14

2 replies

lol. ping 5/6/7 place max in group.

2010-04-25 22:31

1 reply

-1

2010-04-26 02:02

PinG's lineup = ?

2010-04-25 22:14

1 reply

lmbt, xaoc, craft1k, strike, ANGE1

2010-04-25 22:15

oh god this is good. frag executors, mousesports, mtw, fnatic/sk/mym, eg <3 <3 <3

2010-04-25 22:16

1 reply

haha n1 :D You must be very happy :)

2010-04-26 12:19

You show a sucky performance at qual. you can go watch hltv from Donbas..

2010-04-25 22:16

Na`Vi pls ... <3 SK

2010-04-25 22:16

no begrip? :-( fury at comeback :D

2010-04-25 22:17

Three Turkish players will play in this tournament gl gob b gl goodfornothing gl seraph

2010-04-25 22:18

2 replies

yes, but miss MAJER from burning.

2010-04-25 22:26

1 reply

in this page, i can not see burning`s name :) if burning will add by organizators to this tournament, i will support MAJ3R :) you will see.

2010-04-25 22:32

+ french teams !! want burning but oxmoze is good too !!

2010-04-25 22:18

1 reply

yeh one french and one chinese team and it would be great imo

2010-04-25 22:32

Would like to see new col there

2010-04-25 22:18

Na'Vi and one China team, it would be interesting to see them in Europe...

2010-04-25 22:19

1 reply

Complexity , Burning , Oxmoze , new wnv ? a lots of good teams can be here i think navi too will be invited !

2010-04-25 22:21

Not fun without Na`Vi, but still they lost and serves them right! ^___^ fnatic mouz - final imo.

2010-04-25 22:21

1. SK Gaming 2. mouz 3. fnatic 4. Frag eXecutors 5-6. EG.usa 5-6. WeMadeFOX 7-8. UNiTED 7-8. PinG Rest. forZe Rest. mTw.dk Rest. Ravens Rest. MYM Rest. H2k Gaming Rest. Alternate

2010-04-25 22:23

+finland +na'vi.. +wNv / tyloo

2010-04-25 22:23

nice, hf fx

2010-04-25 22:23

go sk

2010-04-25 22:26

+finland +france

2010-04-25 22:27

no navi lol great tournament

2010-04-25 22:29

2 replies

They didn't win in the CIS cup... that was their chance to go there... tournament will be great nonetheless. Great teams attending.

2010-04-26 00:15

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anyways i dont like navi, gl mouz!

2010-04-26 15:42

well Na`Vi will be invited, and maybe cbteam, or Playzone.fi

2010-04-25 22:30

+FRANCE

2010-04-25 22:30

please WeMadeFOX try to win this time!

2010-04-25 22:30

WeMadeFOX is really rich, because they fly to Europe on every single tournament. :P

2010-04-25 22:33

hope for cbteam :D

2010-04-25 22:34

Chinese Team

2010-04-25 22:35

without Na´Vi?? :( that's a pity...

2010-04-25 22:36

Na'Vi and FireGamers/TyLoo :P

2010-04-25 22:37

Awesome, this is between semesters for me...

2010-04-25 22:37

1-mouz 2-fnatic 3-eg

2010-04-25 22:38

Wheres Na`Vi? :( Gl fnatic!!

2010-04-25 22:39

2 replies

Na´Vi didn't manage to win qualify today...hltv.org/?pageid=215&eventid=552

2010-04-25 22:42

www.hltv.org/news/4181-united-demolish-navi-hopes

2010-04-25 22:43

fnatic always in hardest group :)

2010-04-25 22:42

2 replies

The teams are not in groups this is just to show all teams that will attend the event.

2010-04-25 22:45

1 reply

my mistake :D sry

2010-04-25 22:47

L E D P C

2010-04-25 22:44

Top five : 1 mousesports 2 EG.usa< 3 ALTERNATE 4 fnatic 5-6 SK Gaming

2010-04-25 22:44

1 reply

No waY 1.fnatic 2. SK 3.mouz 4.EG/MYM

2010-04-25 22:46

FX numba 1. POLISH POWER <3 :*

2010-04-25 22:46

i'd like to see Na'Vi (yes even if they didn't qualify i'd like to see them play) and pz.fi get the remaining 2 spots

2010-04-25 22:47

yea agree

2010-04-25 22:48

i would like to see K1CK and fox at the allstar event. But, that is just my dream (: hope for navi too. GL

2010-04-25 22:49

1 reply

As we wrote, there will not be any All-Star tournament after all.

2010-04-25 22:50

Watch out for Wemade :) We have a surprise coming up ;)

2010-04-25 22:52

+CBteam & Playzone.fi :)

2010-04-25 22:54

3 replies

u still alive? =))

2010-04-25 23:09

2 replies

of course i am :P am i talking to the *HeH*Barca? :D

2010-04-27 22:09

1 reply

yeah :D good old time...

2010-04-28 21:40

ffs go and win this one FX!!

2010-04-25 22:57

+ Burning/oxmoze + complexity/wnv

2010-04-25 23:00

+Na'Vi +cbteam if they find fifth player , or PZ.fi in other case.

2010-04-25 23:02

What to write ? Fx and mTw are gonna fail in group stage :-(

2010-04-25 23:04

cbteam & pz.fi -PinG +NaVi

2010-04-25 23:10

1 reply

retard

2010-04-26 05:34

GooD LuCk FoR aLL

2010-04-25 23:12

+oXmoze+PlayZone(moddii & co) i think they got chance because it's a local tournament :)

2010-04-25 23:12

invite the new complexity

2010-04-25 23:14

1 reply

lllooooolll FTW coL don't your contry need to have a qualifier, to enter or the teams from your country only get draft to this tournaments bi invite??

2010-04-25 23:23

why ALTERNATE ? -.-

2010-04-25 23:30

2 replies

who should replace them skillwise? k1ck? .. hahaha

2010-04-25 23:52

1 reply

a chinese team.

2010-04-26 19:11

would be nice to see coL, if its possible..

2010-04-25 23:37

they should invite NaVi to play the winner or something.. or maybe invite NaVi guys to play in mix teams (i.e. Team Wind, Fire, Water, Earth etc.) as much as I want them to be there it's their own fault they didn't qualify.. their games against forZe and united were just awful.

2010-04-25 23:37

sk is going to win this one i bet

2010-04-25 23:46

1 reply

I do hope so!

2010-04-26 00:04

1.Fnatic 2.mouth 3.SK 4.mTw imo, though mTw isn't so sure, MYM, EG and PiNG can take 4th as well i think.

2010-04-25 23:57

6 replies

rotfl @ mtw in top4

2010-04-26 11:38

5 replies

who would you say could be a candidate? looking on the recent outcomes of tournaments?

2010-04-26 15:41

4 replies

Especially looking at past performance mTw isn't favorite to pass even the groupstage..They are in the same situation as Fx...

2010-04-26 20:06

3 replies

however, at least imo, the only 3 stable teams, who you know will do good, is the 3 i've listed, and after them i think that mTw has a pretty good shot at taking 4th it's not like the other teams are better. but then again i am danish so ofc. i'm rooting for my own team, just like, i'd imagine, your hoping for FX to place well :)

2010-04-26 21:46

2 replies

I'm hoping to see Fx on top again , but they're proving all the time that with pasha they aren't this great team :(

2010-04-26 22:32

1 reply

yeah, well maybe this is the event, both mTw and FX needs to get back on the top soon i think.

2010-04-26 22:37

i hope Wemade FOX now!

2010-04-25 23:58

1. MOUZ $15,000 2. FNATIC $10,000 3. WeMadeFOX $6,000 4. SK $3,000 5. EG $1,000 6. FX $1.000

2010-04-26 00:08

1 reply

Damn, you're wrong on so many points.

2010-04-26 00:16

would be cool to see the both playzone teams there, but still i'd like to see na´vi there too. bah :(

2010-04-26 00:21

SK EG fnatic MYM =)

2010-04-26 00:25

NaVi MUST get a invite! like SK and fnatic!:)

2010-04-26 00:32

imo there should be even more teamsinvited.I want to see Tyloo,complexity,CBteam,burning,pz.fi,firegamers, titans,Na'Vi.It would be sweet :D

2010-04-26 00:53

1ravens 2ping 3alternate 4mtw lol , :D

2010-04-26 01:03

go fnatic

2010-04-26 01:11

as for me they need to make an online qualifications for this 2 last slots, for spanish teams, french teams, NaVi, K1CK, Playzone, maybe other teams like czech,romanian etc

2010-04-26 01:30

1 reply

this qualifications could take at least 2 weeks... as there are alot of potential teams.

2010-04-26 10:36

+ coL and Na´Vi

2010-04-26 01:38

1 reply

2010-04-26 02:04

lol of course navi will be invited, the main sponsor of navi is arbalet. navi is the team of arbalet. they deserve to be there based on their previous results.

2010-04-26 01:51

+tylooOOOOOOOO plz

2010-04-26 01:59

1 reply

fnatic sk mouse + whoever top 4

2010-04-26 02:35

invite Na'Vi, LedPC/PZ.fi/oXz

2010-04-26 02:50

I would like to see the 2 remaining spots go to NaVi and coL :)

2010-04-26 02:53

1 reply

zeah like coL, but like cbteam to, but i think thez will now not advance to the tournament beacuse they r change one player :/

2010-04-26 04:34

this event r so relly hot, mTw fnatic sk gaming and polish giants in one event = guarantee for the good of the tournament. + EG PING mouz alternate h2k mym forze utd navi and WE MADE FOX !!!, gl navi and ping, gl fnatic, gl wemade fox.

2010-04-26 04:33

NA'VI plizzzzzzzzzz , we need see NA'VI , mark and Edward , GO GO NA'VI !!

2010-04-26 04:51

1 reply

n starix n zeaus n esenin

2010-04-26 05:30

navi and coL would be pretty boss

2010-04-26 05:54

They're not gonna invite Na'Vi. Wanna bet?

2010-04-26 06:07

1 reply

yeah i wanna :))) they'll fix invite navi, it's not a question.

2010-04-26 06:15

Na'Vi \ compLexity \ oXmoze \ Burning \ PZ.se or .fi could be good.

2010-04-26 06:18

Wondering who will occupy the last spot...Nobody mentioned but WeMadeFox?

2010-04-26 06:33

3 replies

What are you talking about? WMF are already in the tournament, so obviously they can't get one of the two remaining invites.

2010-04-26 07:04

1 reply

Yeah my bad. :(

2010-04-26 11:44

I always try to stay away from internet when drunk. :[[ but ..

2010-04-26 11:42

gl..... nice teams.

2010-04-26 06:51

+Na'Vi and another team...2 groups of 8 or 4 groups of 4 :-?

2010-04-26 07:41

1 reply

4-4

2010-04-26 08:47

I'm a WeMadeFox upset. WMF to win it all~

2010-04-26 07:47

Tournament looks really good =)

2010-04-26 09:13

im pretty sure arbalet will invite his own team, navi :) how can he not? its his tourney :D

2010-04-26 09:21

+ Na'Vi + Burning.

2010-04-26 09:29

1 reply

Agree +NA'vi +Burning

2010-04-26 10:45

wtf every 1 downgrading Fx?

2010-04-26 09:34

1 reply

Well as much as I hate to say it, they haven't been very impressive as of late. My gut tells me this will be another all Swedish final between SK and fnatic.

2010-04-26 10:27

+pz.se +coL

2010-04-26 10:16

without NA`VI, but with PING it would be great victory maybe:)

2010-04-26 10:19

I think TBA will take it

2010-04-26 10:32

I would rather see Cheap Times than Ravens, though looks great.

2010-04-26 10:33

-ALTERNATE +NAVI +france +china

2010-04-26 10:42

col and Na'Vi

2010-04-26 10:45

i really want to see FX and MYM in top3 :)

2010-04-26 10:48

gogo Get_RiGHt! <33

2010-04-26 11:06

Didn't expect to see PinG instead of Na'vi but still a strong line up! GL guys

2010-04-26 11:08

-Ravens -Alternate +Na`Vi +Playzone.fi +FireGame +TyLoo.cn

2010-04-26 11:12

PZ.fi and Lions

2010-04-26 11:14

need baltic team :|

2010-04-26 11:15

1 reply

No mate, this event doesn't need a baltic team. Every baltic team there is suck completely and doesn't deserve to go to an event like this.

2010-04-26 16:08

It's little bit weird. Arbalet Cup Europe but teams like WMF and EG are invited :O it's cool but name should be Arbalet World Cup ^^

2010-04-26 11:15

6 replies

Or its just considered as a European 'stop' on the Arbalet-tour.

2010-04-26 16:29

5 replies

that's a guess or some insider-knowledge?

2010-04-26 21:50

4 replies

Just assumptions.

2010-04-26 22:57

3 replies

could be awesome :) but wouldn't he need some sort of co-sponsor for that? or how rich is that guy?

2010-04-28 00:36

2 replies

So far, he's been doing this all on this own, why would he all of a sudden need any co-sponsors?

2010-04-28 00:40

1 reply

well it's kinda of a big project to have a world tour isn't it? i'd just imagine he'd want it, but then again i don't know whether he's a billionaire or just an excentric small millionaire.

2010-04-28 17:30

ALL MY favorite teams gl 4all

2010-04-26 11:36

fnatic should take it. At this time

2010-04-26 11:37

Navi slot, please ))

2010-04-26 11:37

+EGIPTYANE +pz.se

2010-04-26 11:49

+Na`Vi + FireGamers Its been very very long since we got to see the brazilians in action!!

2010-04-26 12:01

1. FNATIC 2. SK 3. FX 4. MOUZ 5. MYM 6. MTW

2010-04-26 12:09

hope for SK win

2010-04-26 12:22

lol, forZe will punishe WMF again, in third time, and third time on Arbalet Cup))))))

2010-04-26 12:24

1. SK 2. mouz 3. fnatic 4. forze -.- gogo dosia! =)

2010-04-26 12:30

1st WeMade Fox 2nd forZe 3rd Frag eXecutors I am betting Nomad's pants.

2010-04-26 12:47

4 replies

You will fail :D

2010-04-26 19:01

3 replies

Nomad will ultimately fail. His pants!

2010-04-26 19:12

2 replies

what a thin provocation =D

2010-04-26 21:07

1 reply

I cannot provoke him too much. He's my boss :o)

2010-04-26 21:29

+pz.fi

2010-04-26 12:52

1. MYM 2. fnatic 3. SK

2010-04-26 13:34

complexity.

2010-04-26 13:44

go go FX!

2010-04-26 14:00

+ na'vi,pz.fi or cbteam

2010-04-26 14:28

+ cbteam (if they hurry and get a 5th) + Na`Vi (it seems that local Russian and Ukrainian teams can beat Na`Vi easier than fnatic or SK imo) or.. + FireGamers (fucking amazing team, but they have no sponsor for them to get to any lans) + PlayZone.se (awesome team to watch) + Tyloo (we need to see Goodrifle the fucking awp master along with Delpan, markeloff, and FalleN) i'd be happy with any of these teams..all amazing teams 1. MYM (in my dream, but gogo) 2. Mouz (haven't seen them in awhile, they'll be prepared better than ever) 3. SK 4. fnatic

2010-04-26 14:40

good luck sk-gaming, +navi and tyloo or col would be nice.

2010-04-26 14:39

First of all, Na`Vi deserved to be invited to the tournament. It was a stupid move of arbalet to make them play qualifiers. And now, when the whole world's seen they failed it, inviting them would look really miserable, though they could win it... Two spots for Finland and Norway

2010-04-26 15:17

AWESOME TURNEY!!!!!! :D Still Na´Vi is missing.

2010-04-26 15:17

It was already said that the 2 remaining teams to be added will be teams from Europe. This can only be NaVi, considering the other top teams have all been invited already and they won Arbalet Best of Four so they deserve an autoberth. This leaves 1 more slot for another European team, Playzone.fi and cbteam are washed up, only team which I think is worthy of being added is the best team in France. They are always in for a good fight on lan.

2010-04-26 15:28

SK vs Na'Vi FINAL

2010-04-26 15:32

l would like to see new coL team there and BURNING from France! Mouz will take this tournament imo :p

2010-04-26 15:52

Fu this lame all-stars, should add that to 1. place, 20k would be more reasonable if the 2. place gets 10k...

2010-04-26 16:04

2 replies

ok... #69

2010-04-26 19:13

1 reply

:D, but would be cooler if they added that to 1. prize

2010-04-26 19:18

I really want to see Na`Vi! :|

2010-04-26 16:06

I hope Na'Vi and Firegamers will get these two invites. P.S. PinG gogo to the final :D P.P.S. Hope fnatic will keep failing.

2010-04-26 16:13

+Na`Vi and playzone.fi

2010-04-26 16:14

1. WemadeFOX 2. fnatic 3. Na`Vi (if invited) 4. mouze 5. SK 6. mtw

2010-04-26 16:30

+ tyloo + Na`Vi

2010-04-26 16:31

GO WemadeFOX :D:D:DDDD WemadeFOX > God > all bail solo and glow are so insane they will crush all teams. Only fear about termi and lsw , they are so weak

2010-04-26 16:36

man i hope to see the new col team get a spot,would be a great time to show if they are real.

2010-04-26 16:36

You can see other teams on arbalet world championship =)I hope..

2010-04-26 16:41

no norwegian teams :(

2010-04-26 16:47

+na'vi/tyloo +complexity/millenium

2010-04-26 16:48

1 reply

I guess you meant BURNING! instead of millenium ;) (-M- = Ozstriker, mshz, jarod, bisou, skelp B! = SIXER, Geno, Maj3R, Yoshi, Rara)

2010-04-26 19:09

1.SK (na'vi if invited) 2.mouz 3.frag exec 4.fnatic 5.eg

2010-04-26 16:53

1.mousesports 2.fnatic 3.SK Gaming 4.WeMaDe FOX 5.Roskilde Ravens

2010-04-26 17:16

I don't see NAVI as a big team ... If you watch more carefuly povs etc they copied all big taktiks from big teams (fnatic, mouz, sk..) they just have some luck, but when the luck isn't enought, you saw what happened...

2010-04-26 17:24

7 replies

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh ofc. They had luck in all their matches ofc. the 5 players already had a nice reputation before they formed Na'Vi - especially markeloff and Edward, and since they are now training almost as much as WMF do, there's nothing really surprising in the fact that they actually are a really really good team.

2010-04-26 19:07

6 replies

ok and loosing against randoom teams make them better ofc. just think about that, fanboy

2010-04-26 19:20

5 replies

why do you feel forced to behave like a moron? I'm not a fanboy, I actually cannot stand them since I consider them as arrogant and pretentious boys, but loosing a tournament doesn't mean they're bad. They beat the best teams in the world except SK, and luck deffo cannot be the only reason for that. And btw I think you have no clue about what the real level of PinG is, they are really good. One last thing: can you explain to me how they copied SK & fnatic's styles, since their style are precisely the opposite of the other?

2010-04-26 20:08

I think you write only for the writing... :\

2010-04-26 20:33

2 replies

+1 if you watch more carefuly, they copied many taktiks from mouz and fnatic. That's not my opinion, it is writed. "fnatic" and they do same taktik as fnatic. So, who's the moron now? Ping is a good team but random next to mouz etc...

2010-04-26 20:55

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i'm lucky I read this threat again, or I would have missed one more pathetic reply from you, since apparently you cannot click on the right reply button If you watch more carefully, most teams use the same tactics, that's why ppl (and I also) tend to say that modern cs is more about skill. If you watch any given game, if you just know how the team plays, you'll know what the end of the round will be like, the only thing that change are actually the duels between the players, which force the leaders to organise their team differently, but that's all. There are hardly more than 4/5 really different styles when it comes to tactics. And ofc PinG cannot be ranked at the same position as mouz, they are just a too recent team - but still a really stong one. and btw you don't need to be wrong to be a moron, that's only about your attitude.

2010-04-26 21:10

wouldn't quite call united a random team, 2nd best eastern-european team after na-vi, imo, and ofc. they can loose in eastern-europe, it's their training partners mainly (i'd guess) so they know most of their tactics.

2010-04-26 21:55