ESWC referee on FG-H2k issue

3-7-2010 10:23

XGAMING TV have conducted an interview with ESWC head referee Camille Versteeg regarding the incident between FireGamers and H2k Gaming.

In this two-part video interview, Versteeg explains why the tournament officials first decided the two teams should play overtime to decide who would go through, only to reverse their ruling right after, seeing FireGamers progress into the knock-out stage.

You can follow HLTV.org's full coverage of the 2010 ESWC finals here.

h2k deserved it way more than fire gamers

2010-07-03 10:25

16 replies

how so?

2010-07-03 10:26

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h2k played way better than fg did. as it would've been more fair to have a match between h2k n fg to determine who would play next.

2010-07-03 10:31

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They did play actually, and it ended in a draw. It's groupstage you know, draws happen, and team that beats worst team by larger margin goes trough, unless stated otherwise in the rules. It's always been like that, so don't know why all the drama. Have to live with it.

2010-07-03 10:38

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Yes, a match that wasn't as a result of this, but way before this incident had happened.

2010-07-03 10:50

erm...how?

2010-07-03 10:27

yeah right

2010-07-03 10:27

yeah I know but it's won by forbid

2010-07-03 10:28

fg put 13 rounds on fnatic :)

2010-07-03 10:35

6 replies

h2k beat fnatic in dreamhack

2010-07-03 10:41

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fnatic beat all teams in the world except with dreamhack, and arbalet best of 4

2010-07-03 10:44

Stop trying to make an irrelavent argument. They played eachother already and the result was a draw. As for all tournaments with groups when you have the same amount of points the rounds matter. H2K had their chance to win it out right but they didn't do it. Regardless of who you like more or thinks deserve it, the rules say FG move on, its that simple.

2010-07-03 10:46

this is ESWC, not dreamhack, how you know FG would beat fnatic too at DH? you dont know, it's right desicion!

2010-07-03 10:47

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I like h2k more.. But I do also think this was a right decision

2010-07-03 13:28

So did FG in WCG.

2010-07-03 16:30

what the reason they deserve more? h2k?

2010-07-03 11:09

given that FG and H2K drew 15-15 in the initial match that they played it seems foolish to declare that H2K deserved it more.

2010-07-03 11:18

his eyes are gonna quit

2010-07-03 10:27

H2k > FG 100%

2010-07-03 10:28

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lol

2010-07-03 12:24

good decision , FG > h2k izi

2010-07-03 10:28

go restart H2k vs FG :D RR RR RR go RR revansh

2010-07-03 10:28

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2010-07-03 10:30

+2 but i think that FG is better ;)

2010-07-03 16:39

#1 your an idiot lol why is there even a vid, if people were smart mojawai left... who gives a damn i bet even if they played out it'd still be 29-1 rofl. maybe h2k should win their matches and stop crying.

2010-07-03 10:30

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im a idiot? if fg is better, why would they be scared to play h2k.. get some brain plez

2010-07-03 10:32

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It's a fair decision. Please explain, WHY does h2k deserve it more? Don't even try to look at matches from the past.. It's a match between h2k and fg.

2010-07-03 13:36

why would u replay it when u allrdy won it the fair way?

2010-07-03 17:25

SV_RESTART 1

2010-07-03 10:31

This is a quality example why NOT to play all the way to 30 rounds. When FG hit 16 - the French team had absolutily nothing to play for, but at the same time they're performance meant everything for H2k. Just sad and fak'd up!

2010-07-03 10:32

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Yes and this is a quality example that matches shouldnt be able to end up 15-15...it should be OT so we get a winner.

2010-07-03 10:36

If u where in the place of mojawe i bet you did the same :) ofc yeah its sad that h2k had to suffer for this...but its the right decission imo

2010-07-03 10:38

i agree. they should do first to 16, and if teams are tied for won games in the group, make them play a match to break the tie. why should one teams fate lie in another teams hands?

2010-07-03 10:39

agreed

2010-07-03 10:43

well what did SK play for when they reach 15 rounds? ;) and at 16-1 firegamers won it allrdy i think ;)

2010-07-03 17:28

That Mojawi did was not fair... but Firegamers is not guilty for that... come on dudes...

2010-07-03 10:33

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and h2k is suppose to suffer the consequences? rm is all i ask for.

2010-07-03 10:34

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right u are.

2010-07-03 10:39

I really don't get it. It was 16 - 1 and Mojawi left. Even with the 16 rounds fg already had passed over h2k because of the round difference.

2010-07-03 12:27

not true

2010-07-03 10:34

poor sportsmanship on moj's part. either way this would have turned out some team would be going home feeling cheated. better luck next time h2k. :(

2010-07-03 10:36

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still if u play from 17 to 30 and u know u already lost u will just play to end it not play seriously ...so how much could they get ? 3-4 rounds more?

2010-07-03 10:43

I feel bad for the head ref. English is not his first language so it got difficult at times for him to try and illustrate his point. With that said the guy that conducted the interview was an ass and tried to continually trap him when he was trying hard to explain himself. I think it was a very unprofessional way to conduct that interview. It was more of an attempt for the interviewer to feel like a big shot constantly badgering the ref with the same question over and over.

2010-07-03 10:42

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2010-07-03 10:43

EG vs Mouz dont have OT because fg go play? THIS IS A RIGHT DECISION

2010-07-03 10:44

numbers dont lie - FG is better in this moment

2010-07-03 10:47

i dont get whats the problem ? who cares that they left after 16-1, its the same as they would have said they forfit and give all the 30 round to firegamers.... it a valid match.

2010-07-03 10:48

he really doesn't get the point of the iviewer at the end... clueless, very bad argumenting. unlucky h2k

2010-07-03 10:48

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That was his fault, he was put on the defensive the whole time with the constant asking of intentionally throwing the game. The interviewer was terrible and spent almost the entire time trying to get the ref to say that mojawi left intentionally so FG could move on and not H2K. Instead of trying to ask proper questions and getting a real explanation of what happened.

2010-07-03 10:56

omg what a fanboy interviewer, he can't separate intentionally actions from innocent actions.

2010-07-03 10:52

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Agreed, very unprofessional.

2010-07-03 10:58

brazilians!

2010-07-03 10:54

To H2K this is very very sad.. but if I put myself in the point of view of nak or anybidy of FG... they are not guilty... come on... the mojawi's players are so unprofessional for that way to solve their own problems...

2010-07-03 10:55

lol, who is the interviewer? fucking annoying. JUST LOOK IT FROM FG SIDE, WHAT DOES FG HAVE TO DO WITH MOJAWI QUITING? IT COULD BE 29 - 1. ffs, annoying interviewer.

2010-07-03 11:29

I think the ref makes some very good points in the last few minutes of the interview. He basically says that the rulebook already covers this situation in a sense, being covered by the rules regarding intentionally throwing rounds to aid another side. He rightly points out that even if a team like Mojawi had stayed an played, given that they were out they would most likely have played with much less desire to win and would have lost the rounds anyways. I think the rules DO cover the situation appropriates, it just takes an admin judgement which was made adequately here

2010-07-03 11:30

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exactly, but looks like the interviewer had a h2k tattoo under the t-shit, and couldn't realize that... just fcking annoying. what does FG have to do with mojawi quiting? it could be 29 - 1 also, why penalize them with an OT vs h2k, stpd iviewer.

2010-07-03 11:34

#16 that's like a team lost a match and they are given a 2nd chance to redeem themselves. You must be retarded, maybe sk and col should rematch even tho col lost badly. Scared? Every team would be scared if that would happen. The groups were already released therefore it wasn't needed. Like i said h2k should win their matches instead of crying.

2010-07-03 12:15

NEXT - Barak Obama on the FG-H2K issue

2010-07-03 12:13

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf5gzwYwocE

2010-07-03 12:58

Camille best admin in zeh world :D +1 kudo qX

2010-07-03 12:58

2010-07-03 13:00

bad admins! and monitors!

2010-07-03 13:28

yeah right

2010-07-03 13:40

h2k is bad

2010-07-03 13:57

h2k shouldnt cry so much.. if they wanted to get through they should've beat firegamers when they played them.. simple as that NOOBS

2010-07-03 16:28

What a bad interviewer. He keeps insinuating a conspiracy against H2k. The rules are fair. If H2k didn't want to be dependent on the FG - Mojawi score they should have beaten FG in the first place. And this is coming from someone working for H2k. ps. qX is a rock solid competition admin.

2010-07-03 18:39

what a noob............ 6 years of organizing tournaments and no idea of how to play an overtime if their is a draw.....

2010-07-03 19:38

basicly

2010-07-03 20:16

I really really wish Camille would speak faster And the interviewer is a dick

2010-07-03 20:45

Seriously, fire this interviewer What a fucking prick

2010-07-03 20:49

Most unprofessional interview I have ever seen. How can an interviewer think the questions he asked were appropriate. He insinuates and accuses the person he is interviewing and is totally disrespectful. As part of the media he should be indifferent and not conduct himself in this way. I hope the interviewer loses his job. Also he cries like he is park of h2k, when he should care since he is just a media representative.

2010-07-03 21:08

I wished that SK would give h2k all rounds of their matches so h2k would pass and see how every fanboys of fg would say "WHAT!? UNFAIR"

2010-07-03 22:43

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+1 ;)

2010-07-10 14:12

Well Andy and p0cket, the interviewer is a esport profile here in sweden and he has been an admin for a couple of well known leagues/tournamen ect. He knows how to solve conflicts and he wanted to ask the hard questions. he believed they did a bad call just because of it desideing the outcome of the whole group. I believe an extra match between FG and H2k would be the most fair Decision. As other ppl has stated, Sk could have given h2k rounds as well. Cuz it would not have changed anything for sk. And its unprofessional of mowagii to just leave. they should have been disquallified from the turnament. and an extra map should have been played. to make the best team go trough. Im not voucing for h2k as it seems. just feel like this Esport should be more professional and fair play should be they #1 priority. Im too have been an admin for cups/turnaments. i recall that FX and fnatic played a extra map just cuz of same reason. I believe it was a tournament in Russia. That is the best way to deside what team is the best. Because fg and h2k played a draw.

2010-07-03 23:11

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The hard questions? You mean the same biased question over and over again, completely ignoring the official rulebook, that one?

2010-07-04 02:22

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Im sorry i havnt read the rulebook. Im just pointing out that it wasnt a fair decision. an extra game should have been the best choice.

2010-07-04 21:10