DELTA allowed back in EPS Poland

8-5-2011 17:13

The Electronic Sports League has told HLTV.org that BenQ DELTAeSPORTS.COM have been allowed back in EPS Poland.

The Polish side had been banned from the league after it was discovered that Mateusz "ham" Rosłon had cheated in a 2on2 ESL ladder match.

While the ESL has stated it has enough evidence to support Rosłon's ban for the use of an illegal tool in the match in question, they are sure that the player did not cheat in EPS.

As a result, DELTA's results in the league will stand, which means the team currently sit eighth with one point from two matches.

The Polish team will have to work fast to rebuild their lineup, which currently contains just three players following the losses of Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski to MaxFloPlay and Rosłon to a ban.

DELTA have the following three-man roster:

Mateusz "ham" Rosłon
Marcin "rDh" Rutkowski
Sebastian "dArk" Babińsk

gj esl

2011-05-08 17:14

It's not team's fault that one of their players cheats.

2011-05-08 17:15

10 replies

it is. is it ESL fault or other teams fault that they cheated? clearly you are just protecting them

2011-05-08 17:24

9 replies

how is that his mates' fault if he's cheating? if it's been proven that they didn't get their spot in the league thx to ham's cheating, there's no reason why they should be banned

2011-05-08 17:28

It is DELTA fault? Are you crazy? It is ONLY ham's fault. He doesn't play in DELTA in this match.

2011-05-08 17:29

5 replies

doesnt matter. in germany or in other countrys every team gets kicked for having a cheating player. no matter of eps match oder simple laddermatch.

2011-05-08 18:43

4 replies

But still it wasn't DELTA's fault. I agree that DELTA would be remove from EPS. I just want to say that it wasn't DELTA's fault.

2011-05-08 19:09

In germany, not in Poland or somewhere. In one country you'll die cause of your parent's fault. In europe not. remember.

2011-05-08 22:01

in soviet russia a player gets kicked for being in a cheating team useless comment is useless tbh who gives a fuck if " in germany , a team gets kicked because of 1 cheating member " ? Just because "THEY DO THAT IN GERMANY" doesn't make it FAIR nor RIGHT. The point everyone is trying to make here is that esl isn't Righteous nor fair in this.

2011-05-08 22:47

1 reply

In Soviet Russia player kicks ESL and EPS Poland in balls.

2011-05-08 23:29

U can't read, can you? Ham is not as a one team, just like Europe is not as a one country. Can't you just think before post something? Recently, you're really annoying me. I'm not protecting anyone.

2011-05-08 17:30

you're a massive spastic

2011-05-08 17:45

good decision

2011-05-08 17:15

+ delta cheese & delta bacon

2011-05-08 17:18

1 reply

made me smile ah luv bacon ...

2011-05-08 22:48

good

2011-05-08 17:20

bad decision

2011-05-08 17:25

2 replies

2011-05-08 17:45

2011-05-08 19:03

they didn't lose Roslon to a ban, cause he is still in roster

2011-05-08 17:30

1 reply

they probably have a big problem with trusting of software verdict. strange? download.esl.eu/matchmedia/22216000/2221.. I guess, no...

2011-05-09 08:49

if hes dumb enough to cheat in a 2on2 match, they should suffer from the consequences ... cheaters in germany are always banned for 2 years from every league, even if they play eps.

2011-05-08 17:49

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cheater in germany are always banned. yea, and do you see that in germany you have not top players of the world? Example pasha - he was called cheater - cause of his reflex and skill. Now he is one of the best :)

2011-05-08 22:04

The real problem is that he doesn't cheated, but this dumb program detected "something", which ESL won't show to anyone.. "We have proof, but we don't show you, cause cheaters may use it" :). They will never say, that they spent so many euro for shit anty-cheat. EOD.

2011-05-08 18:18

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i don't know about wac but what i do know is that esea's anti cheat program seems excellent, and it didn't cost them hundeads of thousands You do have a valid point tho, they should at least talk with the player "suspected of cheating" because i'm pretty sure there's already at least one person among the esl admin who's in contact with one of those cheaters. I mean it's obvious that both sides want to know how the other side is doing to improve their own program. There have been rumours about that kind of stuff

2011-05-08 22:52

Bullshit decision actually, usually the whole team gets kicked (and rightfully so). Probably connections/money that made this work.

2011-05-08 18:19

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money made wire. but I must admit that world knows worst cases of wasting money.. for sure (but sorry, I can not to give you any examples for now. use google, I think a week of searching allow you to find something that could confirm my thesis!)

2011-05-09 08:46

Mateusz "ham" Rosłon Marcin "rDh" Rutkowski Sebastian "dArk" Babińsk Why they want to keep guy banned in ESL league?

2011-05-08 18:20

13 replies

because nobody see any evidence of ham's cheating? esl can't state that wire is full of bugs, but every player knows this very well. look that this statement from esl concerning ham's ban brings nothing new. they only repeat more officialy, that ham is a cheater, but they can't show any evidence!. so from one side you have esl statment that shi.y wire caught ham, but on the other side you have guy who has played cs since 10 years, always clean, who has played many offline tournaments, who is present captain of CS National Team of Poland (he's very trusty for polish CS community). demo from this 2vs2 match has been watched by many experienced CS players and everybody said he's clean. so they should to kick him off, because software told he's a cheater, and discovered this in funny 2vs2 match?. no thx...

2011-05-08 18:59

12 replies

If there is no way to unban him from ESL what league they can play with him?

2011-05-08 19:04

3 replies

any other?

2011-05-08 20:10

2 replies

Which one?

2011-05-08 20:41

1 reply

in Poland cybersport.pl for example. online league with finals offline and high prizes. and offline events - this is most important for the team like delta. but personally i think that ham will leave delta.

2011-05-08 22:14

ESL shouldn't release any information on how there anti cheat works. That is counter productive. ESEA does the same thing with there anti cheat system -although ESEAs is probably A LOT better than ESLs- could it have been false? sure, but just because he has attended offline events and is trustworthy doesn't mean it is impossible for him to have cheated.

2011-05-08 21:20

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of course. but only the possibility that he could/can cheat makes him guilty? I just wanted to say that in this situation we must to choose what we want to believe. software and lack of evidence presented from esl or... as I wrote above.

2011-05-08 22:09

I seriously doubt ESEA's AC is better, ESL Wire cost over €500.000 to develop.

2011-05-08 22:15

4 replies

Money does not = quality

2011-05-09 02:07

3 replies

No, but it's a good indicator. What's your argument for that ESEA's is better?

2011-05-09 07:42

2 replies

They didnt have a utter garbage Anti Cheat for 5 years? They CONSTANTLY update it unlike ESL... What are your reasons besides "They threw a shit ton of money into it"

2011-05-09 08:05

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What they used before? what does that have to do with anything.. From what I understand ESL wire is mostly updated silently, and ESEA's client also gets bypassed for long periods, even with frequent updates. Was just wondering what made ESEA's client a lot better as you said, I'm not aware how often ESL updates, but it seems silly investing that much money and not keeping it up to date.

2011-05-09 15:20

I also think esea's anti cheat is better, but even admitting he cheated his esl account should be locked, and he should be forbidden to play any ladder aside from EPS since it has been proven that he didn't cheat during that. Diodel got banned for a crappy match that wasn't even eas / eps which didn't change anything, and he's always performed well offline'n shit, so why not just prevent those people from cheating by restricting them to eas / eps for life ? I mean esl has a thing where you can be forgiven if you provide a written apology i think so let them do that if they want and in the meantime forbid the player to do anything aside from eps where it is proven that he doesn't cheat most "fair response" they could give to that imo

2011-05-08 22:58

bad decision, it opens doors for other players incopententes do the same thing!

2011-05-08 18:34

lool

2011-05-08 18:44

Fail ESL.

2011-05-08 19:03

Now you do not have countries just have fun with us in the top 10 and one of the most popular clan in Poland we have a cheater who has not yet been wyjebane the delta of the match 2 / 2 and the account does not thank esl:)

2011-05-08 19:12

1 reply

13yo ?

2011-05-08 19:44

Delta is such a big team with big sponsor and they are tolerating that their main division has only 3 players and one of them has got a 2-year ban in the biggest online league in the world. They should kick them and get new young talented players who will have motivation to play on the highest level.

2011-05-08 19:24

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delta has full squad: rdh, ham, avril, dark, bs7. really do not know why in the news are only 3 players.

2011-05-08 20:12

once a cheater.... always a cheater. Ban him from everything!

2011-05-08 19:25

6 replies

People change and learn Like delpan did he cheated once now he's one of the best players. Everybody deserves a second chance

2011-05-08 19:27

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and some people learn how not to get caught next time I don't totally disagree with you tho but i think delpan ( since you're using him as an example ) would do it again if he could. There's also a probability that cheating allowed him to "predict" with more easy some awp shots ( thus making him better now without cheat ).

2011-05-08 23:01

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OFC he can do it again but i don't think he wants to lose his career with one of the best organization who has been know for supporting players (fnatic) and they won't allow him to do it. Plus if you give people the second chance and screw it then there's no third chance and they don't want to lose their dream.. Mistake happens because we're humans..

2011-05-08 23:06

agree

2011-05-08 19:27

not really, as roman said, some people learn the fail and stop with cheats.

2011-05-08 19:31

false

2011-05-09 15:46

BAD news. once a cheater, always cheater. Ham is poland ZEROS

2011-05-08 19:41

1 reply

you called him zero, coz software fingered him as cheater? think.. where all those cheat movies of ham? where?

2011-05-09 08:35

Don't know what's more fail ESL Allowing Delta back with Ham on the roster, or Delta for not releasing him.

2011-05-08 19:51

5 replies

why they should to release him? read #37

2011-05-08 20:13

4 replies

Does ESL Wire have a rep for having false positives? where are all the other top players getting random bans? I'll just trust ESL for now, thank you very much. I don't care how many pro's have seen the demo, maybe he didn't cheat in that 2on2 but earlier and was in memory, either way Ham needs too GTFO imo.

2011-05-08 22:13

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It is really hard to believe, that after so many years of using software like e.g. windows is somebody, like you, who still believe that exist soft without bugs... and prefer to trust soft then people opinion. this is just from yesterday. match Gameburg vs MaxFlo Play (@ EPS PL): download.esl.eu/matchmedia/22216000/2221..

2011-05-09 08:18

2 replies

There is a big difference between a client bug and a error in the definition database.

2011-05-09 15:44

1 reply

of course! but this only shows that bug is possible, and wire is still far from to be perfect. so if we only know that ham has been caught by wire, we should to consider the possibility that it could be just another bug, until we see any evidence.

2011-05-09 16:23

ESL Wire is the shit, and bans for free, gj esl poland, ham is a professional player and I don't believe that something fired

2011-05-08 20:03

You can't say ESL has a "shitty" AC. It obviously detected some irregularity on the players side of the AC, and merely reported that irregularity as a hook or what ever it may have been. I'm sure it isn't the first time this has happened, to more then just ESL too. ESL isn't out to screw over DELTA. They were doing their job acting on what they believe to be a good anti cheat, also which I am sure they tested what ever irregularity occurred and ultimately decided it could very well be a cheat. You all make some pretty broad assumptions in this thread, some of which seem pretty un-warranted.

2011-05-08 20:45

2 replies

I can. I tested it with my brother and he could use model modifications and EWAC didnt detect it. No smoke or player models worked perfectly and aftermatch reports were clean.

2011-05-08 20:57

1 reply

Prove it.

2011-05-08 21:18

anyone had ham esl?

2011-05-08 20:52

"DELTA allowed to hack in EPS Poland" was what i got when i read it for the first time lol

2011-05-08 21:00

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ham can't play I think, that for whole pl cs community (including esl.pl admins), after ham's case, wire is completely untrusty software. e.g. just form yesterday: download.esl.eu/matchmedia/22216000/2221..

2011-05-09 08:22

How do they have a three man roster if they lost ham to the ban...? The ban is mentioned but seeing as he is still in the roster, people are getting confused to whether or not he can actually play in the ESP. A newsitem like this should make things clear for everybody, not make them ask questions.

2011-05-08 21:08

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ham can't play in ESL of course, coz of his ban. he probably will be replaced by snax for EPS.

2011-05-09 08:30