fnatic and eFuture advance to semis

2-10-2011 12:14

Group A at the IEM6 Global Challenge Guangzhou has finished with fnatic and eFuture advancing to the playoffs.

The first day of the Counter-Strike tournament in Guangzhou has finished. With the first round result between Anexis and fnatic, seeing the Danes get a narrow 16-14 win on de_tuscan, fnatic found themselves in all sorts of trouble.

They did however secure a spot in the semi-fnal after victories over eFuture and Immunity. Anexis seemed like a team to advance after their win over fnatic and defeating Immunity in the second round, but a loss against eFuture sent them out of the tournament.

fnatic claimed first place in the group with a +4 round difference between the three tied teams, while eFuture claimed second place based on their head-to-head win over Anexis. Immunity goes back to Australia with zero points and a total of 13 rounds won.

fnatic and eFuture move on to the playoffs - Photo by cnFrag

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2011-10-02 12:15

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Fact that speaks the truth to stop all you whiners Extracted directly from ESL rule book on page 18 gfx.esl-europe.net/gfx/media/masters/rul.. The Ranking is primarily decided with regards to the number of points that a participant has amassed during the season. A participant will earn 3 points for winning a match, and 1 point for drawing a match. The below ranking priority will come into effect if 2 or more teams are on equal points. If at any point, the number of tied participants is reduced or divided into several groups of tied participants, the still tied participants will in each case be compared again(NOW AGAIN) starting with the first point. · Points amassed between the participants themselves ('Mini-League') · Score difference between the participants ('Mini-League') · Score (number of wins in the Score Difference) between the participants ('Mini-League') · Overall score difference · Overall score (number of wins in the Score Difference). so obviously, fnatic advanced in the 3-way tie, so that Anexis and eFuture are tied again, therefore point 1 is applied AGAIN, so that eFuture elimated Anexis with a apparent 4 round differnce, 16-12.

2011-10-02 13:19

15 replies

403 - Forbidden

2011-10-02 13:26

8 replies

waddup now danes? WOOOOOOOO :DD

2011-10-02 13:30

3 replies

What are you talking about dumbass?

2011-10-02 13:35

1 reply

shaguar sum years ago :D

2011-10-02 15:16

I'm wishing cancer upon you I'm trying to give you cancer with my mind

2011-10-05 02:25

not if you right click on it and click "open in a new tab"

2011-10-02 13:30

2 replies

Doesn't work, do i need to be loged in on esl to see it? :S

2011-10-02 13:34

1 reply

esl-world.net/masters/rule_book/

2011-10-02 13:39

cl.ly/AayL

2011-10-02 16:24

some danes just don't understand this piece of english text

2011-10-02 13:31

· Points amassed between the participants themselves ('Mini-League') 3 points for each team. · Score difference between the participants ('Mini-League') Fnatic through, eFuture and Anexis at -2. · Score (number of wins in the Score Difference) between the participants ('Mini-League') Anexis through, 28 higher than eFuture's 26. I might have misunderstood the rules, would you care to explain exactly what point gave eFuture the 2nd place in the group?

2011-10-02 14:03

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Great, I didn't get my edit done in time. I just woke up so excuse me for missing the obvious point you have in the bold text. I think I got confused by your last sentence; "so that eFuture elimated Anexis with a apparent 4 round differnce, 16-12", seeing as the round difference is irrelevant - if it goes back to the first point eFuture got through because of 3 points vs. Anexis' 0, surely :)

2011-10-02 14:21

lawyered

2011-10-02 15:03

2 replies

I actually misunderstood the rules, as explained in #166 :(

2011-10-02 15:08

1 reply

Damn, jeg forstod det på samme måde som du gjorde første gang... LOL :-D I got confused as well... Fuck

2011-10-02 15:31

efuture ftw, china ftw

2011-10-02 12:16

1 reply

+ Tyloo ftw!

2011-10-02 12:23

go fnatic!

2011-10-02 12:16

really unlucky for Anexis

2011-10-02 12:16

1 reply

+1,, wtf?

2011-10-02 12:57

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

2011-10-02 12:17

5 or 4 CET?

2011-10-02 12:17

3 replies

4 imo, says 10:00 on local time

2011-10-02 12:22

it's 10am in china, so...

2011-10-02 12:22

well we can only hope for delays again :)

2011-10-02 13:28

eFuture good job!!!

2011-10-02 12:17

what is a three way tie when you only count two teams. Cartman failed.

2011-10-02 12:18

8 replies

nvm i can see that anexis had better round score so it dosent add up as i thougt...

2011-10-02 12:23

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So? I do not think you get it. It is a three way tie, you HAVE to count all of the three teams. See, you can't go for head to head matches, as they all beat each other. So Cartman decides to go for rounds, which means that fnatic and Anexis will move through - BUT he only applies the round rule for fnatic for some reason, and not for Anexis. yes they both have a -2 r/d, but 30-28 is better than 28-26, and I don't know how much youre into sports, but thats common sense. He made a mistake.

2011-10-02 12:27

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Still a 2 r/d. Doesnt matter if its 30-28 to 28-26, the difference is the same.

2011-10-02 12:56

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Read #53. Rules clearly states that it DOES matter, and its the same in every sports, so I would be very surprised if it wasn't like that in CS.

2011-10-02 12:58

2 replies

Ready 38#

2011-10-02 13:05

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Read #53. what #38 is saying is not what the rules states.

2011-10-02 13:11

it do matter in any other sports.

2011-10-02 12:58

It's hard to compare round difference to begin with. Anexis played 6 more rounds in that 3way tie, which is kind of unfair. If they are going compare they should play all 30 rounds of the match. But as we have seen before, most teams doesn't play those rounds seriously :/ I think there should be a rematch between the two..

2011-10-02 15:09

NICE :) GO FNATI"c"

2011-10-02 12:18

damn. unlucky for Anexis. fnatic deserve to quit.

2011-10-02 12:19

gratz. cArn was playing so good.

2011-10-02 12:19

good play by eFuture!

2011-10-02 12:19

nice fnatic

2011-10-02 12:19

Absolutely stupid decision using the head to head result of the anexis/efuture match when they were in a 3-way tie.. oh well

2011-10-02 12:20

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Agree thats so fucking lame to make some lame rules, but okay ESL surprises me again, and again. Thats really bad for anexsis and i hope ESL having a bad taste in their mouth! (Dont say this because im a dane, but because its stupid)! :D

2011-10-02 12:26

thats been applied for years, you new kid ? or just from a dumb country!

2011-10-02 12:45

5 replies

Actually no it hasnt, the exact opposite has been applied for many years though

2011-10-02 12:47

now u fail.. WCG doesnt! hltv.org/news/3213-whos-in-and-whos-out... Group B with firegamers. Exactly same situation and firegamers didnt go through even though they won head-to-head

2011-10-02 13:09

3 replies

Did I say it was applied in every tournament.. lol

2011-10-02 14:19

1 reply

You didnt say the opposite though... :) and #57 is right

2011-10-03 03:38

there where not 2 with same r/d.. therefor not the same

2011-10-02 15:32

not fair

2011-10-02 12:20

What the fuck? Anexis have better RD

2011-10-02 12:21

7 replies

+100500

2011-10-02 12:24

6 replies

yea, so unfair. But eFuture secured second place of the group based on head-to-head match.

2011-10-02 12:37

5 replies

but if you lock for head-to-head match, Anexis won fnatic, so...

2011-10-02 12:54

4 replies

fnatic got more round diff which is more important than head-to-head

2011-10-02 13:10

3 replies

you do realize that anexis has a better round diff than efuture.. dont you ?

2011-10-02 14:02

2 replies

no they had both -2

2011-10-02 15:32

1 reply

total diff :D

2011-10-03 02:08

This is indisputably the most ridiculous ruling ever. Once again ESL succeeds in astonishing me with home made rules on the fly by a single admin.

2011-10-02 12:21

10 replies

agreed. ESL's rules decided that the greatest rated team that has beaten the top team in the group should be eliminated.

2011-10-02 12:25

9 replies

givo da sha bi read fucking rulesbook first

2011-10-02 12:28

7 replies

feel free to show where in the rulebook it says this is the appropriate method and order for determing who progresses in a group out of tied teams.

2011-10-02 12:41

1 reply

see #83

2011-10-02 13:02

I assume youve read it then, so feel free to give us the link.

2011-10-02 12:44

2 replies

so the rulebook the latest one I can find is season V which is here: esl-world.net/masters/rule_book/ go to page 18, we have ranking rules, and head to head comes after reducing groups to tied teams

2011-10-02 13:02

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yes but it is a three way tie which means head to head DOES NOT change anything. Then go to to rounds, which means fnatic is first and then anexis based on having more won rounds.

2011-10-02 13:12

tu yang jie he ?

2011-10-02 12:48

1 reply

wo reng shi givo

2011-10-02 13:07

26-28 and 28-30 is both r/d of -2, Anexis played more rounds but their r/d is the same so it's logical to apply the next tiebreaker decider, which is face-to-face result. For all the guys who said Anexis is better than efuture and deserves to go through, you clearly did not watch their train game when efuture just outaimed Anexis and got 10 rounds as T. I do not know how you can say Anexis is the better team if they got demolished by a newly assemble pug on train's CT side

2011-10-02 19:25

why dreamteam transfer market open? shit! I though it will open untill groupstage end....

2011-10-02 12:23

3 replies

This is what happens when you don't read the news ^^

2011-10-02 12:25

2 replies

but its not fully updated at the moment (for me)

2011-10-02 12:33

1 reply

true its NOT fully updated as they claim :(

2011-10-02 12:39

PATHETIC ESL, get a grip

2011-10-02 12:23

BULLSHIIIIIIIT!

2011-10-02 12:24

well the ruling totally makes sense lol :D

2011-10-02 12:25

dreamteam ftw is not opened yet

2011-10-02 12:26

1 reply

+1111111 :\

2011-10-02 12:29

so stupid lol

2011-10-02 12:27

where are the demo's Nix0n ?? :(

2011-10-02 12:28

eFuture nicee

2011-10-02 12:30

the round difference doesn't count IM matches so fnatic 14: 16 Anexis eFuture 10:16 fnatic eFuture 16:12 Anexis fnatic 4 eFuture -2 Anexis -2 this is where head to head now comes in so eFuture is the 2nd understand? well it seems most danes are mad

2011-10-02 12:37

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That is true, and the astonishing part of this is that the head-to-head comes in play when two times are tied in 3-way-tie. In addition to that, we can argue that 28-30 (anexis) > 26-28 (efuture).

2011-10-02 12:33

well that helped alot

2011-10-02 12:34

The point is that head2head has already come in, and its inconclusive due to being a 3-way tie which is why rounds have to be used. They've then gone back and used head2head twice..

2011-10-02 12:39

well, expected the danes to cry out loud. but honestly, which ever dane said that this rule is ridiculous is completely childish. if i have not mistaken, mTw eliminated wNv in 08 eswc or wcg with the exact situation

2011-10-02 12:42

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blablabla

2011-10-02 12:47

I doubt it. Also now you start to bring up wnv and wcg, let me show you this: "Losing to wNv.cn, FireGamers really needed to pull off a victory against fnatic in the last match of the group to have a shot at progressing, but their 17-13 victory resulted in a three-way tie with fnatic and wNv, both of whom eventually progressed due to having a better round record between the affected teams" You see? BOTH teams progressed due to have the better round record between the affected teams, WHICH means in this case that fnatic and anexis would progress. So how would you explain this? ESL failed. ( hltv.org/news/3213-whos-in-and-whos-out... - group b )

2011-10-02 12:52

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we are not even on the same page. as i said, it was wNv(wNv.gm) vs mTw which they beat mTw on de_inferno which also caused a three way tie, although 1st placer(i dun remember which team) and wNv had the same round difference, but a headtohead was applied AGAIN, so wNv was elimated from group stage.

2011-10-02 13:09

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then post a link? my link clearly proves that they do it the other way around

2011-10-02 13:13

If I understand correctly "both (wnw and fnatic) of whom eventually progressed due to having a better round record between the affected (!!) teams" Okay, applying to our situation fnatic has +4, while eFuture and Anexis got both -2... Why would you suggest that Anexis is taking the 2nd place instead of eFuture?

2011-10-02 13:22

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Because anexis has 28-30 whereas wnv has 26-28, and if you look at almost any given sport no doubt that anexis should go through. Also ESL rules talks about overall rounds

2011-10-02 13:31

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Yes, you're right, I thought that in your previous statement you said that round difference is counted only between affected teams (without Immunity). However, the logic is quite normal: Fnatic +4, Both eFuture and Anexis -2. But eFuture > Anexis. I agree that to send Anexis home with this shit is unfair. At least a rematch should be given. In any other sports rounds (goals) are counted between all teams, but I agree that giving Anexis the 2nd spot, just because they beat outsiders (Immunity, with all respect) with a greater difference, is also unfair.

2011-10-02 14:53

so the rulebook the latest one I can find is season V which is here: esl-world.net/masters/rule_book/ go to page 18, we have ranking rules, and head to head comes after reducing groups to tied teams

2011-10-02 13:03

2 replies

yea, that proves youre wrong, and anexis should have been through.

2011-10-02 13:19

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3 way tie => compare round differences among 3=>Anexis and eF tie=>further reduce groups to these two: eF > Anexis

2011-10-02 13:26

bit unfair for anexis efuture should be out..

2011-10-02 12:31

it would be nice to see anexis in the semis but shit happens i guess...

2011-10-02 12:34

wow~! space & cArn

2011-10-02 12:37

Great for eFuture! Happy for them :)

2011-10-02 12:41

Sad for Anexis.. they seemed to be a good team. I've watched the games against fnatic and Immunity and they played good rounds. By the way, I believe fnatic will get to final but will stop on WinFakt

2011-10-02 12:42

"Also make sure to update your Dreamteam, it is now fully updated and you are able to sell and buy players." Dear HLTV.org, you are wrong. It has still data from two matches only.

2011-10-02 12:42

"The rule about ranking of teams that are tied by points will not be altered. That means that direct comparison comes before direct rounds and overall rounds, but rounds still matter. This rule only affects group stages with best-of-one mode, which are usually used at events, for example the upcoming Global Challenge Shanghai." Thats from esl-world.net/masters/news/129801/CS1-6... which is saying that head2head (direct comparison) should be counted before rounds. This ruling they've done with efuture/anexis has counter head2head after rounds which directly goes against their own ruleset..

2011-10-02 12:47

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Great find. So according to the rules, we have a three way tie which means head2head doesnt add up, so we have to go for the rounds, which means fnatic and anexis should go through. great job ESL.. edit: btw link doesnt work for me, so I am only basing this on what you linked.

2011-10-02 12:56

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Well yes and no - because anexis/efuture head2head is inconclusive (due to 3-way tie), and their rounds are tied, then there'd have to be a rematch which is the only remaining option. It doesnt mean that anexis immediately go through, but it DEFINITELY doesnt mean efuture go through which is what they've done.. But yes, their decision in this tournament completely goes against their own ruleset. EDIT: link keeps cutting off hopefully this works: esl-world.net/masters/news/129801/CS1-6-..

2011-10-02 12:58

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Well, I believeoverall rounds means Anexis should go through, seeing as they have the same round difference, but apparently not. Either way, I think most of us can agree that something is wrong.

2011-10-02 13:01

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Actually yeh overall rounds means including the Immunity game i think, so your right Anexis should go through without a rematch, my bad

2011-10-02 13:03

I'm not sure how they got to that ruling. It seems to me what they did was take the 3way tie, get fnatic as first due to the best round difference. Then take efuture and anexis as a separate 2way tie for the 2nd place (completely ignoring the fact that they were tied along with fnatic for the first place because the first place has already been decided) and deciding that efuture goes through because of the head2head. I'm sure the fact that the tournament is played in China has nothing to do with them going full retard on the ruling.

2011-10-02 13:08

Well, even thought i know some of the players from anexis i cant see past, if i were carmac i would despite the rules make another match against them to first of all, get more viewers and giving both teams a good chance to proof they are worthy. if you like it or not that's good buisness

2011-10-02 13:01

i cant find the rules, can you give exact link?

2011-10-02 12:56

edit for working link: esl-world.net/masters/news/129801/CS1-6-..

2011-10-02 12:58

so the rulebook the latest one I can find is season V which is here: esl-world.net/masters/rule_book/ go to page 18, we have ranking rules, and head to head comes after reducing groups to tied teams u mad bro?

2011-10-02 13:04

I have to say its kind hard to figure out where the rule book is

2011-10-02 13:09

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If at any point, the number of tied participants is reduced or divided into several groups of tied participants, the still tied participants will in each case be compared again starting with the first point. · Points amassed between the participants themselves (3-way tie) · Score difference between the participants (fnatic +4 anexise -2 efuture -2,fnatic advanced) · Score (number of wins in the Score Difference) between the participants (anexise 28,efuture 26,how come efuture through?) · Overall score difference · Overall score (number of wins in the Score Difference). · If after all 5 points the teams are indistinguishable, a decider match or matches have to be played, in an attempt to separate the participants in question. In special cases, the tournament direction can rule on a different way to determine the order in an unsolvable tie (i.e. coin toss).

2011-10-02 13:30

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2011-10-02 13:35

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yes but according to the ruleset anexis got 2nd in the three way tie. Take for instance the 2009 example from wcg. wnv > fg, fg > fnatic, fnatic > wnv. We have a threeway tie, but seeing as wnv has the best round score they go through, and fnatic has the second best so they go through, EVEN though FG beat fnatic. In this case, we have a three way tie too. fnatic has the best round score, so they go through, anexis the second, so they should go through too, even though efuture beat them. You should first go 'reduce the group' and head2head if both efuture and anexis had 28-30/26-28, not when one of the team has the better score. The rules says "Score (number of wins in the Score Difference)" which means Anexis should go through.

2011-10-02 13:40

9 replies

Nevermind.

2011-10-02 14:17

4 replies

but they have better round score, as theyve won mroe. read the rules, says first it checks score difference, if the same it goes for "Score (number of wins in the Score Difference)" which means 28 vs 26.

2011-10-02 14:18

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(+2) Anexis 16:14 fnatic (-2) (-4) Anexis 12:16 eFuture (+4) (+6) fnatic 16:10 eFuture (-6) Total: Anexis -2 eFuture -2 fnatic +4 Whereas rounds won: Anexis 28 eFuture 26 fnatic 30 So they should have looked at the rounds they won and not check those 2 teams head-to-head?

2011-10-02 14:38

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no cuz its a three way tie. they look at head-to-heads in the beginning, but seeing as anexis won fnatic, fnatic won efuture, and efuture won anexis, they start to look at rounds instead. that is why fnatic is first, and why anexis should be second.

2011-10-02 14:41

1 reply

Thanks for clearing that up.

2011-10-02 14:43

But as far as I can understand they never reached the third point, because they were tied at the second (where fnatic got through, reducing the number of tied participants to two and resetting the comparison).

2011-10-02 14:42

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guess this is the only way to explain cuz the socre diff would be 4 and -4 to the excluison of fnatic if resetting the comparison with efuture and anexise.right?

2011-10-02 15:15

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Not exactly sure what you mean, but as the comparison got restarted after the second point, it went back to the first point with only Anexis and eFuture left. And seeing as the first point is number of points eFuture had 3, while Anexis had 0. That is my understanding at least :D

2011-10-02 15:21

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YES!!!That's what the ruleset tells.

2011-10-02 15:29

Points amassed between the participants themselves (3-way tie) · Score difference between the participants (fnatic +4 anexise -2 efuture -2,fnatic advanced) · Score (number of wins in the Score Difference) between the participants (anexise 28,efuture 26,how come efuture through?)

2011-10-02 13:43

lol :D

2011-10-02 12:44

Also make sure to update your Dreamteam, it is now fully updated and you are able to sell and buy players. :D

2011-10-02 12:47

1 reply

It's a lie! It isn't updated yet. :(

2011-10-02 12:58

hey guys! I'm looking for a song from IEM6 intro! you know that? help me pls

2011-10-02 12:48

What the fuck is wrong with Carmac! I would very like to see the rulesbooks because it ain't like this in other sports.

2011-10-02 12:49

whichever ruleset they can use to favour the team of the host city i guess is what is used they should make them play another map if thats the case

2011-10-02 12:52

Dreamteam isn't now fully updated, missing 3rd games :D

2011-10-02 12:57

go fnatic then. :/

2011-10-02 12:55

i smell bribery :D

2011-10-02 12:55

I call for an interview with Carmac to heard why the hell they do things like this.(video ofc) Go go Nix0n!

2011-10-02 12:57

Zhege xi, guize shibai

2011-10-02 13:00

2 replies

WOW DUDE u know chinese?

2011-10-02 13:05

1 reply

I know translator :D

2011-10-02 13:06

Comment 38# sums it all up. If people think its unfair just check that comment and see whats the reason behind it. Feel sad for Anexis but its just the way it is rules are rules

2011-10-02 13:00

6 replies

Except for the fact that the rules say to do the opposite of what they did in this case..

2011-10-02 13:04

1 reply

see #83

2011-10-02 13:05

lol. its easy to put "-2" to mean it would be the same thing but in reality it is 28-30 & 26-28 which means Anexis roundscore is better and its NOT the same score.

2011-10-02 13:04

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Which obviously doesnt matter, or else the decision would be different. Cmon just accept the fact that admins might actually know what theyre doing. People always think just cause the tournament is in china admins tend to beneficiat chinese teams

2011-10-02 13:07

2 replies

-.-

2011-10-02 13:28

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3 way tie => compare round differences among 3=>Anexis and eF tie=>further reduce groups to these two: eF > Anexis "the still tied participants will in each case be compared again starting"

2011-10-02 13:28

in my opinion round robin should always be played out (30 rounds) and in the event of a clash rounds should be calculated

2011-10-02 13:03

If Anexis had lost 13:16, they would have advanced?

2011-10-02 13:03

1 reply

Yes :(

2011-10-02 13:30

What? Anexis, fnatic and eFuture all had 6 pts. and they all beated eachother. So round diffent should count obv... Why the hell send eF through?

2011-10-02 13:04

4 replies

anexis eF both are RD2 then head2head win count

2011-10-02 13:13

2 replies

Fnatic also had 6 pts and should count in the head2head... also 3 pts for each team = tie... = round different should count...

2011-10-02 13:14

1 reply

as you said RD should count , and its already be counted

2011-10-02 13:21

cuz they are from China :D

2011-10-02 13:15

efuture best! go go go

2011-10-02 13:05

ROFL! What a fail. You can't make a "3-way tie" and then do a "better head-to-head" between 2nd and 3rd placed team. That's ridiculous to say the least...

2011-10-02 13:12

efuture deserved this. They start as T side in train and still win the game. they are not a weak team.

2011-10-02 13:12

4 replies

what a great arguement! screw the rules, if you have a great t side on train you should progress

2011-10-02 13:16

3 replies

And if you whine about the rules you should just GTFO, because you want iems money right?

2011-10-02 13:28

1 reply

I have no idea what your point is.

2011-10-02 13:32

lmao

2011-10-02 14:34

Nix, any interviews from today?

2011-10-02 13:15

1 reply

We are not on site in Guangzhou, but I got a text interview with Friis coming up.

2011-10-02 13:29

hltv.org/?pageid=135&userid=108889&blogi..

2011-10-02 13:16

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Nevermind, the decision is right according to the rules. As it says: If at any point, the number of tied participants is reduced or divided into several groups of tied participants, the still tied participants will in each case be compared again starting with the first point.

2011-10-02 13:27

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please read my post at #147, I am almost certain that they failed

2011-10-02 13:42

whatever configuration of ruleset (mix and match if you will) to see the host city team advance seems in the best interest of the admins epic corrupt fail event

2011-10-02 13:18

IF U CANT WIN AGAINST eFuture you have no place in semi lol maybe next time win your match and stop cry

2011-10-02 13:24

2 replies

Yeah your right, they only won against the random swedish team Fnatic, so they must suck.... Sarcasm detected!

2011-10-02 14:02

1 reply

ye but maybe win against efuture aswell..

2011-10-02 15:24

*trollface* for Anexis =DDD

2011-10-02 13:29

ebal v rot kitaycev

2011-10-02 13:32

you are dumb.... if thats the case then anexis should advance also because even though fnatic had more rounds anexis beat them on head to head. fnatic +16, 2W, 1L anexis +12, 2W, 1L efuture +7, 2W, 1L immunity -35, 0W, 3L anexis > fnatic fnatic > efuture efuture > anexis it was rock, paper, scissors so tell me again why are we only use head to head in only ONE of the instances? that one that favours efuture? thats a joke in any sport.

2011-10-02 13:34

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3 way tie => compare round differences among 3=>Anexis and eF tie=>further reduce groups to these two: eF > Anexis this is how the rules work if you understand English

2011-10-02 13:36

good job from eFuture, i hope tyloo will win the group B. So we see efuture vs tyloo and mouz/winfakt vs fnatic 1 chinese team will take place in the final

2011-10-02 13:42

Role for Goodrifle in Dreamteam PLEASE

2011-10-02 13:45

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sniper or camper :)

2011-10-02 14:12

sniper definitely

2011-10-02 15:35

Clearly Anexis should have advanced

2011-10-02 13:48

if that is the actual case and ruleset this circumstance would prove how outdated and illogical it is because fnatic will probably go on to win this event without losing to anybody (except anexis) and efuture actually struggled against immunity (probably lowest team this comp -35) whereas anexis beat them really comfortably but in the midst of all this anexis wont even make it out of groups but efuture is in the semis, all because of the most complicated configuration of deciding a 3 way tie

2011-10-02 13:51

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Okay, i mostly agree. But if Anexis beat fnatic (event winners like you say) and easily beat Immunity (lowest team) why they didn't beat eFuture, who had problems with Immunity?

2011-10-02 14:39

thats really lucky, efuture should take this opportunity to strengthen themselves.

2011-10-02 14:08

The rules are more retarded then flipping a coin

2011-10-02 14:11

FUCKING CHINA (c)

2011-10-02 14:12

Rules suck, really ! Now I would like to see TyLoo on top of B, and mouz, WF fighting for 2nd place :p Don't want to see TyLoo out of tour. after group stage =) Go TyLoo :D

2011-10-02 14:13

Im not sure why people say "esl fail", "this is stupid". I found it pretty simple. You can say its a 3way tie... ok in this 3way tie fnatics were best according to round difference in 3 way so fnatics are first. Ok by now we know fnatics are first for sure. Because they couldnt define a winner between anexis and efuture they compared them head to head, thats it, its simple and straightforward. Besides nothing is wrong with this math, you might prefer other way of determining who wins between the two, but they used this one.

2011-10-02 14:39

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2011-10-02 15:04

any photos from IEM? :c

2011-10-02 14:51

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2011-10-02 14:56

2011-10-02 15:07

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So EFuture through.

2011-10-02 15:08

finally i found some photos xD gallery.cnfrag.com/?content%2FeSports%2F.. enjoy ; )

2011-10-02 15:29

Notice this rule: If at any point, the number of tied participants is reduced or divided into several groups of tied participants, the still tied participants will in each case be compared again starting with the first point. 1. Fnatic, eFuture, Anexis both have 6 points, according to 1st point of the rules "Points amassed between the participants themselves ('Mini-League')", they both tied. 2. Now, according to 2st point of the rules "Score difference between the participants ('Mini-League')", fnatic is the better. 3. Right now, the number of tied participants is reduced, so the still tied participants(Anexis & eFuture) will be compared again starting with the first point. 4. According to 1st point of the rules "Points amassed between the participants themselves ('Mini-League')", eFuture is better. So, fnatic & eFuture through.

2011-10-02 15:26

will immunity play tomorrow ?

2011-10-02 15:29

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no, they already eliminated ; )

2011-10-02 15:36

how far i see, anexis ir very fuck'd up, i think its a bit harsh, win to fnatic even round difference is on anexis side, and top7-8 team not getting to semis.. but some top20 team does.. well it is what it is :)) rules rules blablabla.. we just se how lame they are

2011-10-02 15:35

Fnatic : : )

2011-10-02 15:36

-fnatic! + Anexis!!

2011-10-02 16:32

What in the blue hell is this ? Anexis out ? I can't believe my eyes... if my mtw can't get friis / karrigan, please get nuggi. He's a solid awper at least .

2011-10-02 16:33

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+1 Nuggi is amazing with awp. But if Nuggi joins mTw, Anexis will propably lose their cs team:/

2011-10-02 20:24