IEM6 WC semi finals preview

We are down to just four teams at the Intel Extreme Masters 6 World Championship where Lions will take on Na`Vi and SK is going to face ESC in the semi finals tomorrow.

Today started with ESC Gaming knocking out Moscow Five in a 2-0 win that featured a 16-14 win on de_tuscan and an easy 16-5 win on de_nuke where the Russians were completely outmatched.

The second quarter final was Patrik "cArn" Sättermon's last match before his reported retirement, and it certainly didn't go the way he would have liked. The series was even for the first fourteen rounds on de_tuscan, up until the score was 7-7.

At that point Arseny "ceh9" Trynozhenko won a one-on-three situation which propelled Na`Vi to win out 8-0 as Counter-Terrorists and then close out the series easily on de_train with a 16-4 win to advance one step closer to the grand final.

09:10 Sweden Lions vs Ukraine Natus Vincere

6-16 vs Sweden fnatic 15-15 vs Sweden SK Gaming
16-7 vs France eSahara 16-14 vs Germany mousesports
16-12 vs Brazil semXorah 6-16 vs China TyLoo
16-8 vs Russia Moscow Five 16-14 vs Denmark Anexis
16-9 vs Finland WinFakt 16-14 vs Poland ESC Gaming
    16-7 vs Sweden fnatic
    16-4 vs Sweden fnatic

While Lions played very impressively in their own right while cruising to a first place finish in group B, I think so far in this tournament Na`Vi has looked far more impressive in their matches. I don't put too much weight on Lions' loss versus fnatic as they always seem to crumble against their fellow country men, and outside of that they're undefeated. Na`Vi, as I mentioned in my quarter finals preview, had a lot of arguments during their group stage but the eventual triumph after two comebacks against Anexis and ESC Gaming definitely helped their team morale, as was seen today while they stomped on fnatic, winning 25 out of the last 29 rounds in the series.


Lions needs a big performance from the man in the back if they wish to best Na`Vi 

Björn "threat" Pers' team will get rid of de_train as their first choice, while Sergey "starix" Ischuk's troops will eliminate de_nuke. Out of the remaining maps, I don't think either team plays de_forge and de_dust2 hasn't been featured much so far, so there's a chance it could be removed. However, I could see de_inferno or de_mirage being removed as well, depending on which team gets to choose. After Na`Vi trashed the Swedes at IEM6 Global Challenge Kiev it'd be impossible to not give the Ukrainians an edge on de_tuscan, and I think the same goes for de_inferno based on matches earlier in this tournament. In my opinion Lions has the best chance on de_mirage which they seem very strong on, and de_dust2 could be very close as well.


Will Na`Vi celebrate once again after the semi final? 

Going into the match Natus Vincere are the favorites for sure, despite of Lions' previous best-of-three win against them at DreamHack Winter. If de_mirage or de_dust2 gets played I think Lions will probably win one map and if both are played they could even win, but I just don't see Yegor "markeloff" Markelov's team losing on de_inferno or de_tuscan, and if he has a good day with the AWP, he could easily decide a match on de_dust2 by himself as well. Emil "FYRR73" Karlsson has been playing great ever since DreamHack and will have to continue if they wish to have a chance, while Na`Vi has far more people to rely on for big plays.

Prediction: Na`Vi > Lions 2-1

12:00 Sweden SK Gaming vs Poland ESC Gaming

15-15 vs Ukraine Natus Vincere 16-9 vs Germany mousesports
16-6 vs Denmark Anexis 16-6 vs China TyLoo
16-12 vs Germany mousesports 16-9 vs Denmark Anexis
16-4 vs Poland ESC Gaming 4-16 vs Sweden SK Gaming
16-4 vs China TyLoo 14-16 vs Ukraine Natus Vincere
    16-14 vs Russia Moscow Five
    16-5 vs Russia Moscow Five

SK Gaming most recently met ESC Gaming in the group stage here on Tuesday where they took a commanding 16-4 win on de_train, very similar to the result at World Cyber Games a few months ago. While SK Gaming has probably looked better so far if you compare their results even after discarding the head-to-head match, I actually feel like ESC Gaming is still the favorite in a best-of-three series. As always, it will come down to the Poles' teamwork, strategies and killer instinct versus the Swedes individual skill. Martin "trace" Heldt will make them more consistent, but frankly I'm not sure if that is going to be enough against an ESC team that is playing well all across the board as they seemed to be today against Moscow Five. Not having had two days off should help them, too.


Can trace continue playing as well as he has so far?

ESC will get rid of de_forge and de_inferno, and Robert "RobbaN" Dahlström's team should veto de_dust2 and de_tuscan. If that ends up being the case, maps in the series would end up being de_train, de_nuke and de_mirage. I think it's also possible ESC Gaming might just give up on de_train after suffering two big losses in a row on it, and give de_inferno a try instead. Out of those maps, I think de_nuke would be extremely entertaining to watch and I could really see it going either way. It's a strong map for both teams and it's hard to see who, if either team, would be a favorite on it. With Marcus "Delpan" Larsson on the team SK Gaming was solid on de_mirage but it has yet to be tested since Heldt was added on the roster. As I mentioned in my quarter finals preview, ESC has been practicing de_mirage and it could also be a very competitive map, but I think assuming Heldt has fit in well for the Swedes, they will be a slight favorite on it. On de_train I think SK are favorites, but I really think ESC could do well too, assuming they can win some pistols. I doubt de_tuscan will get played as SK hardly plays it, and de_inferno has always been a problematic map for ESC but I don't think it's a great map for SK either, as they rely heavily on individual plays on it.


ESC will be looking to reach their second consecutive IEM grand final

In the end, I think regardless of the maps that end up being played, ESC will be a very slight favorite over SK Gaming in the second semi final of IEM6 WC. They have always been a team that delivers in the final stages of tournaments and I think the team led by Filip "NEO" Kubski will come through once more and reach the grand final of the event. SK Gaming relies so heavily on their star players that if they don't deliver, I don't think they can beat ESC in the other aspects of Counter-Strike, and mid game might cause problems in communication if Heldt hasn't gotten used to speaking Swedish perfectly yet. Regardless of how the match ends, it will be a great match to watch.

Prediction: ESC > SK 2-1

HLTV.org will continue to provide full coverage of the IEM6 World Championship as the last few days unfold at CeBIT in Hannover, Germany. Stay tuned to your favorite Counter-Strike website for more updates to come.

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2012-03-08 18:59
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India danny.archer
go go go Sk Gaming
2012-03-08 19:33
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#209
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Other Buyanbold
i feel that Sk is gonna win this tournament
2012-03-09 04:12
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Serbia Urosh^
About SK-ESC , i'm pretty sure that ESC doesen't have answer for f0rest/GeT_RiGhT/trace on fire.
2012-03-08 18:59
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Croatia hypno123
yeah right
2012-03-08 19:03
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#7
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Poland DMNMSH
if neo+pasha or kuben+taz are on fire they're almost unbeatable gl both
2012-03-08 19:03
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Ukraine generalUA
no)
2012-03-08 19:12
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#75
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Poland ddd1333
no, just because you are NaVi fanboy. Look at the past, in every year,'superdreamteam SK' was defeated by Poles, so this time they can win. Maybe not on this lan, but in 2012 - for sure.
2012-03-08 19:41
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#118
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Switzerland enzou
I don't like Loord much
2012-03-08 20:13
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#121
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Poland SmJ
WCG 2009 , Loord mvp
2012-03-08 20:15
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We are in 2012 in case you didn't know.
2012-03-08 20:39
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Israel t1ao
+1337
2012-03-08 21:27
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#235
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Poland DMNMSH
yes
2012-03-09 15:26
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#156
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Serbia GamblingLife
m8 following your logic: if get_right OR f0rest OR trace are on fire, the're almost ubeatenable. and if: gTr AND f0rest AND trace are on fire it will be 2-0 (with monsterous scores)
2012-03-08 21:27
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#159
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Poland dudman
Very childish thinking. They are great in individual skill but when it comes to big matches like this one its all about teamwork, psychology and tactics.
2012-03-08 21:48
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#226
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Poland Ventori
Maybe couse they are No Lifer :/ 24/7 at the PC (cs)
2012-03-09 11:10
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#176
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Romania bUzZ1
the key word in your post is 'almost'
2012-03-08 22:30
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#189
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f0rest | 
Europe tumorjacka
man u just cant compare f0rest,trace,gtr with players like KUBEN ? or tAZ , man 3 players of top5 are in SK so believe me when they are onfire we see what results can be right 16:4 :] its bo1 but who cares its still a win ;] teamplay will make the bigger difference here than individual skills
2012-03-09 00:30
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Poland Morferes
They got an answer, and its simple: teamwork.
2012-03-08 19:05
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#31
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Sweden Kicklaren <3
+1337
2012-03-08 19:14
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yeah nice teamwork going on when they lost against sk 4-16 in group stage
2012-03-08 19:16
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#51
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Poland Morferes
they lost to them on train at WCG too, but it was only one map... they won remaining two as you may remember. BO1 allways was random.
2012-03-08 19:27
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#52
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Serbia Urosh^
nothing can hold f0rest on fire and it's just something sad to see that one player can do stuff other top players dream about :)
2012-03-08 19:27
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#64
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Poland Morferes
There is one thing that forest can do and neo can only dream about... its talking swedish^^
2012-03-08 19:37
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#66
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Serbia Urosh^
Okay
2012-03-08 19:36
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#229
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Poland Lesio S.
Said well.
2012-03-09 12:01
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#95
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Croatia hypno123
neo on fire>f0rest on fire If neo is consistently good it doesn't mean he can perform amazing. He outmatched f0rest's best form many times...
2012-03-08 19:54
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#99
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Serbia Urosh^
When?
2012-03-08 19:55
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#103
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Croatia hypno123
e.g. last year several times e-stars and WCG
2012-03-08 19:59
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#157
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World hoobik
Im sorry but f0rest on fire > all no matter how well the other players play, thats what makes him f0rest. The main point here is consistency, it's rare as of late to see f0rest playing his absolute best. Should be a good match, but if all of SK's players are on their top form, i don't think ESC stands a chance. Then again, the poles really know how to get in their opponents heads on LAN.
2012-03-08 21:34
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#166
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Croatia hypno123
That is pretty subjective. Sometimes other players play better than him and that's all. Because of their superiority he can't play good. It isn't always about him.
2012-03-08 22:01
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#187
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Poland vitinho110
its pretty funny to read people saying that if trace is also on fire then SK is unbeatable,last year those retards said the same thing and what was the result? ESC won most of the time... not saying that ESC has the upperhand but individual skill will not decide who wins this,if we pick delpan's best moments and trace's,delpan was BY FAR better and still they would loose games.. its not about individual skill only,its about teamplay and countering your enemies.. SK always come up with a super start lineup,fangirls get wet,then they fail and change lineup again
2012-03-09 00:17
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#190
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f0rest | 
Europe tumorjacka
i never saw Neo to make that one shots like f0rest does but its useless to reply to people like you who are absolutely Neo fans so good luck
2012-03-09 00:32
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#230
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Poland Lesio S.
lol . After reading this post ...i'm out.
2012-03-09 12:06
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#232
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Croatia hypno123
that is because you didn't watch neo.
2012-03-09 13:48
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#208
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Estonia MedaY
NEO is #1 player of 2011, he outplayed everybody, ESC won WCG 2011. So in this case of the game, individual skill is good, but teamwork is what counts. slightes mistake can cost you round, losing on round can cost you another and another. With that you will lose the game, so i think ESC has advantage because they have been together for long time, won SK on past for many times and are very good team together. Doesnt matter if SK has trace or forest or even getright. In this lvl of games its not 1mangame, its teamgame.
2012-03-09 04:04
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Lurppis always right?
2012-03-08 19:00
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Sweden Kicklaren <3
he predicted WF would qualify =))
2012-03-08 19:15
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#44
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Brazil kitoxme
nope nixon predicted that
2012-03-08 19:21
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#126
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Sweden Kicklaren <3
he predicted 1st 2nd 4th 5th and 6th :) what up?
2012-03-08 20:22
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#146
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United States lurppis
i didn't predict any of them, nix0n did all of it. i wanted to leave predictions out for my group because clearly if i predicted any, it would be obvious where i thought we would end up.
2012-03-08 20:52
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#151
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS
nixon made all the prediction for the rankings and seriously even the idea of him predicting 1,2,4,5,6 is plain stupid, no one in his right mind would do that...and according to what he says/does regardless of his cocky behavior, he is a very smart guy
2012-03-08 21:13
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#153
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United States lurppis
just curious... cocky behaviour? :p
2012-03-08 21:16
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#161
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United Kingdom Rhythmkay
MVP of Firecore ! :)
2012-03-08 21:50
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#165
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Poland Dub-C
He "cocked" him for sure :)
2012-03-08 21:58
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Jordan pApax
Dude, are you going to stream anything tomorrow? For God's sake answer yes! I was surprised to see you actually speak perfect English as well today :P.
2012-03-08 23:14
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#181
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United States lurppis
i will cast the second semi-final (esc vs sk) and the third place decider on esl tv
2012-03-08 23:21
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#184
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Jordan pApax
Great, thanks.
2012-03-08 23:47
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#199
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Sweden Kicklaren <3
then please help us to see more action! i'm tired of ESL espectating the wrong guys every time gl!
2012-03-09 01:30
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#213
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United States lurppis
i don't control the camera, doing that wouldn't let me move around enough and switch to overview often enough to see what's going on so redeye/joe always control the laptop with camera
2012-03-09 07:57
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#201
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS
Considering that he lived for more thna a year in the states, I'd be surprised if his English was not perfect ;)
2012-03-09 01:33
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#220
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Jordan pApax
Ye I know but still, you get the language not the accent ^^.
2012-03-09 09:10
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#200
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS
haha :D I dont think you need a clarification what cocky means, your English :P let's say overconfident :P I dont mean it in a bad manner, since I also posses that trait and I've been getting similar reaction from people about my behavior :p :)
2012-03-09 01:32
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#214
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United States lurppis
i would like to know how i am cocky or overconfident though?
2012-03-09 07:57
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#217
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India Ace^ 4N~
talking too much and that too very often makes one :-/ Not anyone's fault...
2012-03-09 08:23
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#223
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS
talking too much ;)
2012-03-09 10:13
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#224
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United States lurppis
i was looking for examples
2012-03-09 10:25
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#246
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India Ace^ 4N~
copy cat :-P
2012-03-14 12:23
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#204
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Sweden Kicklaren <3
2012-03-09 01:34
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#205
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS
still I dont think he would make the ranking predictions himself, cause as I said that's plain stupid and should not happen with professionals
2012-03-09 01:39
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#207
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Sweden Kicklaren <3
if you read what he said about each team, it fits with their prediction (that you guys claim nix0n did) but nvm, that's not important anyway
2012-03-09 03:57
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yes
2012-03-08 19:20
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Brazil vamolisarb
gl
2012-03-08 19:00
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Costa Rica Mek0
want to see a swedish finals Lions vs SK in final!!!!
2012-03-08 19:02
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#150
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Russia [w_Maker]
no way
2012-03-08 21:13
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#183
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Costa Rica Mek0
ESC and Na´Vi so hard but gl sweden
2012-03-08 23:43
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f0rest | 
Sweden cnzTT
GO SK !!! o/
2012-03-08 19:04
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#9
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Sweden Svampjuice
gogo swedish teams :D
2012-03-08 19:04
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Sweden ITFYTD
i think Lions and SK will move to finals. Lions are hell lot motivated and they are ready to take on step further to start winning titles. Lions 2-1 Na`Vi SK on other hand will have huge advantage due to their aimers and so far communication hasn't been any problem for them. 3 hot aimers like (f0rest,trace,GeT_RiGht are too hot to handle for ESC. SK 2-0 ESC.
2012-03-08 19:05
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#88
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Poland johnn93
I thin you will be really dispointed tomorow . Grand Final ESC - Lions
2012-03-08 19:51
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#107
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Sweden ITFYTD
Game On !!!
2012-03-08 20:02
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#12
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Xyp9x | 
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"Lions needs a big performance from the man in the back if they wish to best Na`Vi " true that :)
2012-03-08 19:05
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#106
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Bulgaria skream
"Lions needs a big performance from the man in the back if they wish to best Na`Vi " I guess he means beat*
2012-03-08 20:01
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#125
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Poland ajmer
no he didn't
2012-03-08 20:18
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#128
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World firfi
oh bulgarians u can also say best which in bulgarian would translate as "nadvie" w/e
2012-03-08 20:26
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#137
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Bulgaria skream
thx, i didn't know that.. :)
2012-03-08 20:36
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World sai_
GL ESC
2012-03-08 19:05
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#14
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Poland mynio:D
Lurppis i think you love NEO : D
2012-03-08 19:05
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#20
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Croatia hypno123
What lurppis said is fact. Neo is always amazing in final games against big teams.
2012-03-08 19:09
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#28
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Sweden front 48
the [t] from the end says that you are a neo fan...and no , it's not a fact , sk is the big favourite of this game.
2012-03-08 19:13
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#37
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Croatia hypno123
Well I'm his fan "only" because he is the best cs player. SK isn't favorite since they never had luck against Neo and co, at least in bo3 matches.
2012-03-08 19:17
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#56
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Ireland edgarsbrediks
why the big favorite? they change players like a socks while ESC same as NaVi keep 5 players and work hard on teamplay
2012-03-08 19:30
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#61
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Sweden front 48
I think when you have 3 of the best players in the world , a good igl and an amaizing defender player like face , all can you do is a perfect day,perfect match,perfect shoot..you must be crazy if you think esc is favourite... Only team who is equal with SK is Na'Vi.. SK=Na'Vi>ESC>fnatic...is just my opinion
2012-03-08 19:34
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#71
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Ireland edgarsbrediks
will see tomorrow
2012-03-08 19:37
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#82
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
thats what the group stage tolds us..
2012-03-08 19:44
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#162
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Poland dudman
WTF? You forget who was best last year? Not Navi, not SK...
2012-03-08 21:51
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#169
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Sweden front 48
Omg,ESC win only 2 tournaments when SK win 5 or 6 tournaments...I understand that you love "GOLDEN FIVE" and have orgasm when Neo shots...but statistics say that SK and Na'Vi are the better teams in world :)
2012-03-08 22:06
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#172
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Norway b1ue
hahaha 2 tournaments? u're stupid or blind? even on sk page u can read "golden5 best in 2k11"
2012-03-08 22:18
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#174
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Sweden front 48
Omg,because they won WCG and e-Stars Seoul doesn't mean that they are the best in 2011 and don't make me stupid bONEue...it's my opinion if u disagree me it's no problem , it's your opinion...FU!
2012-03-08 22:20
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#175
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Norway b1ue
yea right. u know better than experts from sk, hltv and few more pages.. xD gl dude
2012-03-08 22:27
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#177
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Poland seeez
I guess you are new here so look at matches in 2011 and you will know what was happen..
2012-03-08 22:44
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#178
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World Wujo1988
and SEC :) 3 big turnaments
2012-03-08 22:46
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#192
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f0rest | 
Europe tumorjacka
when Delpan joins ,SK wins more tournaments in the second half of the year than Fx did so if Delpan was in SK in the beginning of the year SK would be team of the year no doubt
2012-03-09 00:37
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#231
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Poland Lesio S.
"if" lol twice this time... This is ure second post, which I read, and both look as if they were written by a moron. Just pack ure balls...
2012-03-09 12:18
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Did u have something to say today?
2012-03-09 19:46
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#244
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Sweden front 48
Yes,still SK > ESC :) something else? Bad luck for SK and good play by ESC..still SK deserved to win this epic match :)
2012-03-09 20:02
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#15
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Belgium Ruban M.
I completely agree although I hope SK makes it to the final!
2012-03-08 19:06
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#16
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Argentina HH Sebax
gj lurppis, gl to all!
2012-03-08 19:07
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#17
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Sweden D0NKMINAT0R
Hoping for SK to take this one and face Na´Vi in the final. And hopefully trace will have his first win against Na´Vi ever.
2012-03-08 19:08
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#58
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Ireland edgarsbrediks
if not he will hang him self
2012-03-08 19:32
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#18
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Sweden cejox
i think SK will beat ESC quite easily. I hope lions beat navi
2012-03-08 19:08
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#120
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China fragbitch
easily? we well see.you forgot wcg2009 IEM2011 estar2011 and wcg2011? when in a bo3. neo's team always find their way to eliminate forest&GTR.
2012-03-08 20:19
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#19
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Chile fvz
my prediction: na'vi 2-0 esc 2-1 gl all
2012-03-08 19:09
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Heart: Lions and SK to the final. Brain: NaVi. The other game can go either way. No way to say which team will win. 2-1 either way.
2012-03-08 19:09
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#22
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Boombl4 | 
United Kingdom @bloodR1g
good luck esc and navi!
2012-03-08 19:10
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#23
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Lithuania LUCKSUCKS
SK > ESC 2:0 Na'Vi > Lions 2:0
2012-03-08 19:10
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#24
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f0rest | 
Romania 69sRs
Na'Vi-Lions 2-0 SK-ESC 2-1
2012-03-08 19:11
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#115
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Chile Cristoff
+1
2012-03-08 20:13
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#26
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Russia steveNNN
You should have been there instead of lions/fnatic, Tomi.
2012-03-08 19:12
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#27
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Sweden front 48
Lurppis is the biggest faggot i ever seen...he is a low player and a bad writer,and not so bad commentator... All of his prediction is SK LOSE , if sk will play against TEG from RO , he will say 2-1 for teg,because they have nice strats,teamplay,blabla...lurppis you're a hater and nothing more.
2012-03-08 19:14
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#38
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Singapore hohi
its his opinion stop be retard plz ty!!!
2012-03-08 19:17
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his opinion means the whole hltv teams opinion since he refers hltv he should be more realistic with his opinion
2012-03-08 19:21
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#48
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Singapore hohi
his article with his prediction there's no right or wrong cause its his opinion even if sk will win.
2012-03-08 19:24
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#77
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
what? what opinion is that bro? after SK totally raped esc in the group stage, its kind of hard to predict that esc are going to beat him.. he's clearly bitter, and his opinion is not a real opinion, its more like a hope..
2012-03-08 19:41
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#143
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Singapore hohi
its his fucking prediction are you dumb or something?
2012-03-08 20:43
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#147
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
lol
2012-03-08 21:01
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#45
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Montenegro TheMystique
i COMPLETELY agree with you
2012-03-08 19:21
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#53
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Lithuania alon9
"lurppis is a low player" YEAH, RIGHT... lurppis and Finland were amazing at cs. lurppis goes to USA, and instantly EG become good, and Finland become bad again. lurppis returns to Finland, and they become good again,and EG becomes shit. @ GoMeZ =))
2012-03-08 19:27
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#68
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Sweden front 48
You are lurppis's girlfriend?Ok , whatever you say. Lurppis is the biggest tac-leader i've ever seen.
2012-03-08 19:36
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#79
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
dude stop, ur killing me :D
2012-03-08 19:42
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#94
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Sweden front 48
I understand them...lurppis looks like a nice lady.
2012-03-08 19:53
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#98
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
his opinion about SK vs ESC isnt a opinion, its more like a hope, or a dream or whatever..
2012-03-08 19:55
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#237
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United States lurppis
i guess dreams really do come true
2012-03-09 16:28
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#238
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
u waited 1 day to actually tell me that? i guess that only shows me how big of a loser u are bro, not that i didnt know it already..
2012-03-09 16:32
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#240
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United States lurppis
you seem to be the only loser here, i was correct.
2012-03-09 17:26
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#173
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Norway b1ue
and u;re in forest ass?
2012-03-08 22:20
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#63
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Ireland edgarsbrediks
and who are u?
2012-03-08 19:35
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#70
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Sweden front 48
tsubyke from Roumania.but you?
2012-03-08 19:37
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#73
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Ireland edgarsbrediks
looks like hater and sounds as well...
2012-03-08 19:39
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#80
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Sweden front 48
Really?I have lurppis and ceh9,they are 2 big trolls and nothing more. TaZ is a troll too,but he is a good player mate :)
2012-03-08 19:42
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#86
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Ireland edgarsbrediks
they are normal people same as u prolly... all is emotions after games... some ppl are more emotional some are less... some people cry some abuse... that`s normal and that`s life and welcome to it
2012-03-08 19:49
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#89
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Sweden front 48
Emotions have nothing to do with the respect your opponent...
2012-03-08 19:52
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you probbly dont know nothing about emotions... u try to imagine what boys feel when they play world championships final game and match is real tuff... u cant imagine! And they respect each other as a opponent, maybe some persons dislike each other, but all what happens on the scene is not because of dislike but because of emotions... and their emotions brings to us load of haters full with criticizm such as u and others... Hope u get me right, have a good evening
2012-03-08 20:22
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#135
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Sweden front 48
Dude,i play football so i really know what means emotiions and competiton,but it's not the same thing...cs is a sport where the most skilled and the most intelligent team win and if u can't control your emotions you are not a pro...
2012-03-08 20:33
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youtube.com/watch?v=CVL14JT7j9Y want more? and he`s not pro?
2012-03-08 21:49
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#168
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Sweden front 48
Really,this is totally something else...and if you ask me:Materrazi deserved that and worst than that...
2012-03-08 22:04
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#74
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Poland Wuzwar
I think you are the hater here. He called the strats so he didn't have to be an aimer, he uses english very well and His comments during the games are indeed very piercing...
2012-03-08 19:39
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#78
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
laughed so hard at the faggot thing :D
2012-03-08 19:42
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butthurt much f0rest fanboy?
2012-03-08 19:57
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#114
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Sweden front 48
Man..your english sucks and i really can understand what are you trying to say..sry
2012-03-08 20:11
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You can't even say you don't understand me dumbfuck tosser
2012-03-08 20:13
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#129
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Sweden front 48
Vietnam,take it easy..it's not necessary make a war for a stupid thread...leave your rocket down.
2012-03-08 20:28
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#29
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Romania FAD.DLL
Na'Vi vs ESC!
2012-03-08 19:13
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#30
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Czech Republic Niilol
SK AND LIONS !!!!!!!!!!!
2012-03-08 19:14
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Lions 2:1 Na`Vi SK 2:1 ESC
2012-03-08 19:14
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#33
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Chile emekattzeN
gogogo lions
2012-03-08 19:15
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#36
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Russia BLOOV
neo win ofc
2012-03-08 19:16
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#39
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India 4 ESC Gaming
y does lurppis think that esc gonna eliminate de_forge...they gonna rape any team on that map...:|
2012-03-08 19:18
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i dont understand this guy lurpis, he says in almost every map sk has kind of slight advantage and still he says poland is still the fav, is he the polish fanboy or what?
2012-03-08 19:18
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#47
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Montenegro TheMystique
he hates sk
2012-03-08 19:21
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#130
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Sweden front 48
+4324356345
2012-03-08 20:29
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i dont think any team have any adventage here just because all players are professionals and all play own role in a team... only think why lurrpis think ESC have adventage probbly just because ESC play with this 5 players for ages, they have better teamplay, while SK trying to build their lineup from only stars, as u know that not always works...
2012-03-08 20:30
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#42
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Argentina natswag
gl for all :) GO SK !
2012-03-08 19:19
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#50
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Poland qater-
I hope you're right, altought we can't predict anything. It depends on day's performance.
2012-03-08 19:26
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#69
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
and maps
2012-03-08 19:37
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#108
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Poland qater-
Since it's BO3 and they eliminate maps it doesn't matter at all.
2012-03-08 20:02
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#110
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
it doesnt matter what map? humm ok
2012-03-08 20:05
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#119
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Poland qater-
It does matter, but you didn't understand my point. If teams eliminate maps in BO3-System then it isn't as random as in BO1 format when the maps are chosen by admins, so teams won't play their worst map or opponent's best map.
2012-03-08 20:14
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#57
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Poland camarpl
'Prediction: ESC > SK 2-1' lurppis is a gentleman and a scholar
2012-03-08 19:31
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#60
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NiKo | 
Europe silviuM
SK Gaming vs ESC Gaming 16-4 'Prediction: ESC > SK 2-1' dafuq ? SK vs NAVI FINAL
2012-03-08 19:34
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#67
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
i think he was joking or something..
2012-03-08 19:36
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now you proved that you didint read the article! Maybe thats cuz you are stupid and cant read?!
2012-03-08 19:54
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#122
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Poland eMeM
@WCG 2011 final de_train : SK 16:5 ESC yeah SK is better .... wait, who won WCG 2011 ?
2012-03-08 20:16
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#123
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Europe BIG BROTHER
yea he is wrong as always, like estars 2011, wcg 2009, iem5, wcg 2010, fanboys
2012-03-08 20:17
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#62
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Serbia bettt
2 - 1 navi 2 - 0 esc
2012-03-08 19:35
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#65
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
lurppis, as always, ur predictions are going to fail
2012-03-08 19:36
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#245
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Romania bUzZ1
and they sure did... oh wait
2012-03-09 22:56
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#76
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United Kingdom RAGE2k
Na`Vi 2-0 Lions SK 2-1 ESC
2012-03-08 19:41
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#81
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Romania pjanooo
For me, if SK won't win this event, considering the roster, then they should retire from cs and try to play Dota or LOL or anything else.
2012-03-08 19:43
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#83
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World zojmers.
GO LIONS & ESC
2012-03-08 19:44
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#92
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Poland johnn93
+1
2012-03-08 19:53
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#84
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India d33pak
sk -GeT_Right,forest,trace are on fire esc - neo,pasha,Taz are on fire :D gl both teams
2012-03-08 19:48
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lurrpis ur prediction sucks as always..seriously brah.. dont predict again!!
2012-03-08 19:49
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#97
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Denmark nsis
It's like betting, they can't always be correct. Why do you take them so seriously anyway, it's for fun...
2012-03-08 19:55
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#105
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Poland Ruszek
forest fan says that pathetic
2012-03-08 20:01
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#124
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Europe BIG BROTHER
umad?
2012-03-08 20:17
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#87
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North Macedonia EXTOL[t]
GO LIONS & ESC doesent mater for 1st - 2 place
2012-03-08 19:50
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#91
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Poland johnn93
Final ESC Gaming - Lions
2012-03-08 19:52
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#93
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North Macedonia addb0t
I agree with you Tommy, and with your prediction about ESC vs SK. There is going to be a fcking great battle between them... I hope and cheering for ESC! Gl bois! :)
2012-03-08 19:53
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#102
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France bibimj
I agree with the fact that, usually, teamwork >> individual skill. But for me, on de_nuke, if f0rest is on fire, it's over. It's really the only moment where individual skill = teamplay for me. All of us have already seen forest makes an amazing job on this map and win the map by himself. So for me if f0rest is on fire on nuke Sk can win, else ESC will probably win.
2012-03-08 20:01
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#104
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Portugal hwz1
you will fail in predictions lurppis, as always :)
2012-03-08 20:00
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#109
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Poland ostry0708
Totally I agree with lurppis regarding match sk vs esc : )
2012-03-08 20:02
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#111
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Other tomiii
+742
2012-03-08 20:08
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#112
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Poland trancemeister
Navi - Lions 2-1 ESC - SK 2-1
2012-03-08 20:08
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#113
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Flarich | 
Latvia 6matko
i belive in HLTV.oRG prediction & i want to see final: Na`Vi -versus- ESC Gaming But Gl for all 4 teams.
2012-03-08 20:09
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#116
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United States EL_GENERICO
Lets go SK :) SK vs ESC seems like a grand final in itself!
2012-03-08 20:13
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#134
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Poland Lajtowy777
ESc:sk 2:0 go go esc sk is easy
2012-03-08 20:33
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Lions vs. Natus Vincere 0-2 SK Gaming vs. ESC Gaming 2-1
2012-03-08 20:39
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SK Gaming vs. Natus Vincere 1-2
2012-03-08 20:41
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#140
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Macau kek79
Both predictions wrong We will watch swedish final .
2012-03-08 20:40
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#144
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Poland luz bluz
ESC 2:1 SK, NaVi easy 2:0
2012-03-08 20:44
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#145
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Brazil papai cruel
navi x sk
2012-03-08 20:47
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#148
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Poland krys321
esc win
2012-03-08 21:02
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ESC > SK 2-1? You seriuos? :DD SK will take it 2-0. 100 percent sure
2012-03-08 21:05
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#197
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Poland smiii
well, scores between these to teams in 2011 says TOOOOOOOOTALLY differnt. but keep trolling, it's funny...
2012-03-09 01:08
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well, please comeback to reality. Now it is 2012 so to look to 2011 stats is stupid
2012-03-09 08:12
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#152
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United States lurppis
i'm too lazy to respond to everyone one at a time so how about you guys just read this: the whole point of this article (and ones like it) is the analysis of each team, their strengths/weaknesses, maps etc. the prediction bit at the end has little to no meaning at all, i just go with however i think it'll end at that point and that's that. a lot of people seem to take it way, way, way too seriously here. who cares if i'm wrong? i don't have anything against anyone on sk, or the team itself, just like i don't have anything against m5 or fnatic who i also predicted to lose earlier.
2012-03-08 21:14
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#164
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Poland dudman
I thought it was obvious and no explanation was needed...
2012-03-08 21:56
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#219
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Syria 4evahgone
+1
2012-03-09 08:55
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#171
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Poland kiero
discussion with those faggots is pointless They will bring you to their level and beat experience
2012-03-08 22:15
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#154
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Romania chaos4cs
@ lurp "While Lions played very impressively in their own right while cruising to a first place finish in group A," It was Group B for sure..
2012-03-08 21:20
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#158
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World pppzi
i see this site is still packd with 13yr old romanian morons tht never playd on steam b4 n its his prediciton n opinion n if u think about it i wud rather take lurpis predicition since he can beat any top ro team with a pugteam n with no communications so sit down angry ro kids.
2012-03-08 21:39
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#163
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Poland el'barteK
true story! GL ESC&Lions
2012-03-08 21:55
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#167
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Finland KKwnb
Its going to be sk vs navi
2012-03-08 22:03
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#170
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Netherlands JUNG13
Tnx Tomi, nice read, totally agree with the scoreline!)
2012-03-08 22:14
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#179
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Singapore The_Fiend[fA]
I do wish these come out to be true. SK-ESC game in particular.
2012-03-08 23:07
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#182
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Mexico tim7
you are BAD tomi, LIONS > NAVI 2-1 de_mirage de_tuscan and de_dust2/nuke
2012-03-08 23:34
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#185
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United States vhlam
super cool story, fyrrte fan
2012-03-08 23:53
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#186
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Mexico tim7
now FYRR73 FAN :D
2012-03-08 23:53
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#188
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Sweden Jonkish
Na'Vi vs Lions 2-0 SK vs ESC 2-1 Na'Vi vs SK 2-1 GL Lions anyways!
2012-03-09 00:30
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#191
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Sweden rubbe
people doesnt understand that fyrrte has been best player in the tournament so far.
2012-03-09 00:35
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#193
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Estonia Loz
pasha is such rambo
2012-03-09 00:48
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#194
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Poland grolsch
ppl rewriting 16:4 group stage score from SK vs ESC - just read the article again and you will find out that its BO3 = ESC will be able to choose which maps they dont want to play, i bet they wont want to play train (same as SK wont want to play tuscan nor forge). imo: forge esc > sk (esc played a lot on this map) train esc < sk dust2 esc > sk (sk lost last 6 dust2 maps vs poles on lan) mirage esc = sk (no idea tbh, tho esc had big problems there even vs polish teams on lan like month ago) nuke esc < sk inferno esc = sk (even tho poles won last 2 lan esc vs sk inferno rounds past last 2-3 years) tuscan esc > sk (they played this map against each other few times but been tight games all the time, tho poles did improve tuscan a lot while sk plays it rarely - last time 3 months ago lost vs esc 14:16 at wcg) did some long post with researchs, w/e the map will be played it gotta be awesome match, of course worth skipping uni to watch (although every reason to skip uni is good...)
2012-03-09 00:57
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mirage SK for sure, and inferno also
2012-03-09 08:12
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#221
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s1mple | 
Russia UseYourBrain
nuke sk > esc? why???? nuke is the best map of ESC as far as I know also I think inferno SK mirage Sk for sure
2012-03-09 09:22
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#195
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Brazil vamolisarb
OMFG TRACE >> ALL GTR JUST SICK, F0REST THE LEGEND, NEO NOOB 2-0 SUPERSTARS SK
2012-03-09 00:59
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#196
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World (' ',)
overall sk > esc
2012-03-09 01:04
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#198
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Poland smiii
in showmatches, yes. at lan, hell no. in 2011, ESC (ex-FX) >>>>>>>>>>> SK.
2012-03-09 01:12
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#218
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Sweden Akroh
and then you woke up.
2012-03-09 08:41
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#225
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Europe BIG BROTHER
but he's right?
2012-03-09 10:56
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#202
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China eallion
you shutup
2012-03-09 01:33
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#206
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Philippines gCN
Gl to all teams.. Gl SK =D
2012-03-09 01:41
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#210
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Argentina dirty^am
The semifinals promise much. GL
2012-03-09 05:18
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#211
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Pakistan MrHassan
Ohh Common Guys Lurppis Only gave prediction, not the final result. So stop saying Crap against him. And for sure Communication is a key to Success in team play games, and for SK in my opinion it is a problem (I might be wrong).
2012-03-09 07:21
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#222
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Hong Kong Auxst
Good luck!
2012-03-09 09:49
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#227
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Poland Wand
He gave good prediction about Navi's score... but i hope ho so he will be wrong saying that SK will lose against ESC :)
2012-03-09 11:55
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#228
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Czech Republic _LuBoss_
ESC go
2012-03-09 11:59
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#233
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Sweden caelle
lurppis don't you even commentate a game again. You can't be biased at all. This is ridicolous how bad you are at commentating and also cheering that much for ESC. Man you're stupid.
2012-03-09 14:17
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#234
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Brazil bebe^^
shut up
2012-03-09 14:58
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#236
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Venezuela FernandoKC
well done Lurppis, excelent prediction!
2012-03-09 15:49
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#239
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Poland Ruszek
Great Lurppis :D Hello sk fags :)
2012-03-09 16:36
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#241
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United States janiux
go esc
2012-03-09 18:50
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#242
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Ukraine Talker
Great preview! Great prediction!
2012-03-09 19:44
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