Valve's de_mirage almost ready

8-6-2013 05:57

Valve has released screenshots and information about their own version of de_mirage they have been working on and will release next week.

At first screenshots of the map were tweeted by csgo_dev Twitter account two days ago, and Valve posted a blog at Counter-Strike.net with seven additional screenshots of the map.

In the blog they also explain some of their reasoning for making the adjustments they have made to the map, while also changing the textures to look more along the de_dust-series maps.

Valve has made some adjustments to de_mirage

Among changes the brown boxes in A bombsite have been changed into a platform, ramps have been switched into stairs around the map, CT spawn entrance to A has been widened and the underpass entrance has been adjusted.

Valve's de_mirage is expected to be released next week as a map shipping with Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. It is yet to be seen whether tournaments plan to pick it up.

You guys remember playing Mirage back in 2000? Good times

2013-06-08 06:00

50 replies

n11111

2013-06-08 06:01

2013-06-08 06:18

LMFAO!

2013-06-08 06:22

2013-06-08 06:36

lol

2013-06-08 06:43

<Oldtimes3

2013-06-08 06:52

Yeah, good old day.

2013-06-08 08:09

I also remember de_mirage for CS Sauce

2013-06-08 08:21

3 replies

There wasn't de_mirage in go...de_strike!

2013-06-08 12:25

2 replies

strike was also a CS 1.6 map from 2004. It was a official CPL map. mirage was like an updated version of strike.

2013-06-08 12:55

de_cpl_strike, as i remember

2013-06-09 15:07

you mean strike? yeah those were the days

2013-06-08 08:30

20 replies

no, strike was a terrible map created in 2004 that was only used at 2 cpls and some online leagues with zero meaning to them. i was making a joke at valve thinking mirage has been one of the most popular maps along with dust2 since 2000.

2013-06-08 08:32

19 replies

Terrible? Not sure if trolling or just retarded

2013-06-08 14:06

12 replies

im pretty sure that strike was the worst competitive map in all cs history, u have to be a source newbie spraying and jumping in csgo...

2013-06-08 14:48

8 replies

Just retarded

2013-06-08 15:09

1 reply

idiot

2013-06-08 15:32

aztec, prodigy, cbble?

2013-06-08 17:26

5 replies

prodigy was awesome back in the day :(

2013-06-08 17:57

these maps were not "competitive" as i said before..... strike was.

2013-06-08 18:26

2 replies

Yes, those maps were competitive once.

2013-06-10 03:02

1 reply

yeah, the first year of the game....

2013-06-10 05:39

oh damn i miss these maps, i really hope they're gonna recreate them. i've spend so much time on cbble.

2013-06-08 22:07

it was played in the first round of two cpls. that's how good of a map it was. up there with cpl_fire, comrade, aztec, cbble, prodigy, etc. edit: that was mean towards cbble, which is a much better map than strike.

2013-06-08 20:24

2 replies

if it was used few times that does not make a map bad

2013-06-09 09:59

1 reply

it means majority of the players deemed the map terrible, and that includes me. it was next to impossible to win any terrorist rounds on the map.

2013-06-09 10:24

Lurppis your so funny, hot and have succesfull life. What is your secret?

2013-06-08 14:37

They obviously meant they released CS in 2000, D2 wasn't released before 2001.

2013-06-08 18:48

maybe Im mistaken, but isnt strike the same as mirage?other than a few minor details? Fire was the map I really hated. Those fun times playin HE basketball tho in pregame cal matches.

2013-06-09 09:00

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strike is _very_ different from mirage. b bombsite is completely different, a halls are different, b halls are different. it's an entirely different map that was played completely differently (those VERY few times it was played). to further prove the point that valve were just flat out wrong they called it mirage (which was released in 2010 and became popular in mid-to-late 2011). tl;dr: not even remotely almost the same map.

2013-06-09 09:09

2 replies

still condescending. someone needs to sock you in the face mid "lecture". that'll humble you.

2013-06-09 15:43

1 reply

doubtful but you're welcome to try

2013-06-09 16:22

"Since we launched Counter-Strike back in 2000, Mirage has remained one of the most popular competitive maps next to Dust2." HAHAHAHAHA, you nailed it brah.

2013-06-08 09:52

lawl

2013-06-08 10:09

no, some pictures?

2013-06-08 10:49

2 replies

it was a joke

2013-06-08 13:04

1 reply

2013-06-08 13:22

I feel like this might just be poor sentence structure. They could be trying to say that counter-strike has been around since 2000. Since then, there have been a number of popular maps, one of them being Mirage. On the other hand, it could just be a piece of PR written by someone not overly involved in the scene. Either way, it looks sloppy.

2013-06-08 11:36

2 replies

"On the other hand, it could just be a piece of PR written by someone not overly involved in the scene." -> On the other hand, it could just be a piece of PR written by someone at Valve.

2013-06-08 11:49

1 reply

fucking lol'd

2013-06-08 12:52

exactly ! :D

2013-06-08 12:34

The new mirage looks like fucking dust2.. they r raping the colours, the blog pics looks like everything is yellow :(

2013-06-08 12:51

1 reply

actually it looks how dust2 SHOULD look: colorful, and not so damn gray.

2013-06-08 12:57

wtf is this man, u re so right

2013-06-08 13:14

yeah i do haahhahahahaha valve retards!

2013-06-08 14:21

2013-06-08 14:59

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

2013-06-08 16:59

golf clap

2013-06-09 03:08

HEY YOU'RE THE GUY FROM WCG 2006!!!!

2013-06-09 11:06

LMAO

2013-06-09 16:58

omg....

2013-06-08 06:00

6 replies

It won't be played in official matches and stuff, only in MM so no worries.

2013-06-08 06:02

5 replies

I bet $20 it will be used at all tournaments.

2013-06-08 06:04

4 replies

I'll send you my paypal info.

2013-06-08 06:42

I need your 20$

2013-06-08 13:56

I believe that as well.

2013-06-08 17:42

as nuke_ve, sure!!!!!

2013-06-09 15:13

R.I.P Mirage.

2013-06-08 06:04

To be fair, it will most likely play exactly the same and the changes won't have any affect on gameplay. In saying that though I did like the visual style of the old mirage.

2013-06-08 06:08

2 replies

it won't be played exactly the same, check the changes on A site.. + fps drop which is inevitable

2013-06-08 10:39

wait till you see bombspot A....

2013-06-08 12:57

what i dont get its why they WASTE time remaking things that arent broken instead of fixing gameplay related stuff

2013-06-08 06:08

4 replies

2013-06-08 06:09

its because valve is making a main stream game and all they care about is making money,they dont care about the competitive scene

2013-06-08 06:36

1 reply

Oh yes they don't care, just look at the success of dota2 at e-sports. I should correct you, but Valve does give a shit about it, but the thing is not the whole Valve is hired to update + bring new content + make changes to csgo. I believe the sector which is responsible for csgo is very small, thats why the updates aren't so immediate even though it seems obvious what needs fixing. I suppose there are several reasons why cs has this very small "sector" of people working on csgo, and probably the main reason to this is that csgo will never bring this much profit into the business. Yes, Valve is a business, and they have to make money, and investing in a game like counter-strike will probably won't bring them the money back with profit as dota2 does. You saying that Valve only cares about making money is true and false at the same time(rofl), it seems obvious that a BUSINESS has to make money, however, please tell me that the game is not ready for competitive play. It is ready, and there are loads of leagues, tournaments and lans. It was polished to certain level in which people can actually play the game, and the changes that maybe should or must come up aren't that necessary to game feel playable. Although there are lot of things i don't understand - matchmaking, their views on it being only for noobs etc. I still believe that they have done enough for the game which will never be a success like other titles are. In the end i probably fed the troll, but i just had to say it.

2013-06-09 01:28

designers != developers, small chance those are the same people.

2013-06-08 09:31

Changes look nice and actually thought out if you read the blog

2013-06-08 06:15

OH YES THE FOG! DONT FORGET THE FOG GUYS. AND CHICKEN. FUCK CHICKENS

2013-06-08 06:21

3 replies

I LIKE CHICKENZZZ I FKIN LIKE CHIKENZ

2013-06-08 06:40

2 replies

i2.ytimg.com/vi/AvAY_wJOxAs/mqdefault.jp.. one day my friend, one day, valve will do this..

2013-06-08 06:44

1 reply

One day my dream will come true :') media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/pu..

2013-07-18 04:15

noooooooooooooo!

2013-06-08 06:32

Valve's de_mirage sucks.

2013-06-08 06:35

Looks fantastic. Can't wait to play.

2013-06-08 06:36

...

2013-06-08 06:36

2013-06-08 06:49

finally a remake

2013-06-08 06:51

cool.

2013-06-08 06:52

As always, great job Valve.

2013-06-08 07:22

1 reply

haha +1

2013-06-08 10:11

Can't say anything before actually playing it. Neutral ATM.

2013-06-08 07:31

"classic" looks dirty, some places are ugly, and that make it look more real for me. and it is not a "dust theme". new one is so polished, just like dust freaking one. and how is this not a change of gameplay - "we went with lower contrast, less noise and a brighter palette to make player silhouettes easier to identify against the background."?!

2013-06-08 07:36

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I wish they went with different textures tho. Im sick of the middle eastern architect look

2013-06-08 08:31

stupid spoiled kids, valve is doing their best to make a map that is both playable and balanced for competitive play and looks appealing to the mainstream audience. no one wants to see super boring maps focusing only on competitive gaming. I'm an oldschool CS 1.6 player and my advice to you kids who are complaining: move on, this is another game, live with it. If you can not adapt, you can play chess or CS 1.6 all your life.

2013-06-08 07:49

20 replies

THIS!

2013-06-08 07:44

Sadly most of the 1.6 community doesn't care about anyone elses opinion. Even if this map plays the same or better as the old version, they will still bitch to seek attention.

2013-06-08 07:47

lets adapt with fogs and chickens.

2013-06-08 07:52

4 replies

but there is no fog on this map?

2013-06-08 09:39

2 replies

it's valve. they must add some random useless retarded shit in anything be it small or core of the gameplay as long as it is against 1.6 player's preference..

2013-06-08 16:18

1 reply

Yes they do everything against the former 1.6 community. They even know who is a former 1.6 player and who is a former Source player. You moron. :|

2013-06-08 18:30

Is it just me, or did Valve not make the simple editions of the maps? Yeah they don't use se maps in MM but before GO they never had MM so why not just organise practice wars like before and STOP moaning about the minor things.

2013-06-11 16:29

HLTVorg userbase is 95% trolls. Visit Steam forums for much more positive reaction.

2013-06-08 08:01

8 replies

Ofcourse but there ypu have all the noobs who just bought the game. And think woo in cod i had To Buy extra maps.

2013-06-08 12:47

6 replies

And why exactly should your opinion be rated better or higher than theirs? Why is your view on the map more right than theirs?

2013-06-08 13:41

5 replies

You are a retard for asking that question. edit: they don't know shit about cs in General. There's Your answer.

2013-06-08 14:06

4 replies

Are you jealous they're discovering CS and enjoying it? :D Their opinion is probably more important to Valve than yours for you are relic of the past and they are new blood.

2013-06-08 15:25

They are as much a player of the game as you are and have an equal saying. Just because they like some other aspects of the game doesn't make their opinions less valid/worth than yours because you are a proclaimed competitive player. And it says a lot about your state of mind that you have to call me a retard to be able to respond to a question.

2013-06-08 15:30

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So you would rather have cs:go be a less competitive game then it allready is. And let it be raped only so that more people play it? Then you should not be on HLTV which coveres the competitive side of cs. I'm only saying these things because I don't understand some people not giving a crap about what's happening. I understand Valve only wanting to make profit. But I really hate how it's happening.

2013-06-08 20:39

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No, where in my comments did i say anything like that? And everyone has a right to be on this webside. You are really thikheaded.

2013-06-08 21:20

95% dumb kids who think they are trolling, bitch please.

2013-06-08 15:39

Well from SS map looks like shit tbh.

2013-06-08 11:29

if there were any medals i will gave you the golden for this.

2013-06-08 12:32

Because everyone hated mirage before right? It's not the 1.6 people or the Source people complaining it's EVERYONE! mirage is the only competitive ready map and I don't think any of these changes would make it a lot more appealing to the mainstream audience. As a matter of fact with the mid being smaller it'll lose it's casual fanbase because it becomes easily over-crowded

2013-06-08 12:50

yeah lets downgrade from a good game with a fantastic gameplay to a shit game with worst maps/gameplay and call it "evolution" why the community has to adapt to a worst game? valve should adapt the game to the community...

2013-06-08 15:31

i.imgur.com/sAoF0rX.jpg

2013-06-08 07:46

8 replies

2013-06-08 08:05

this one is way better...

2013-06-08 08:10

4 replies

isnt that the actual picture from valves de_mirage ?

2013-06-08 12:35

3 replies

yeah the first one,but they thought that map needs more shit on it,so they made new one that leeked yesterday.

2013-06-08 13:18

2 replies

nice, i like that plane so you don't need to use your smoke to cover the pit. Now you can use it somewhere else.

2013-06-08 14:14

1 reply

yeah,if you want to rotate to b site,its a lot faster by plane.

2013-06-08 14:30

need more chickens

2013-06-08 08:50

That sums it up quite well.

2013-06-08 11:03

this map:S:S:S:S:S:S

2013-06-08 07:52

hopefully they stick with mirage_ce

2013-06-08 07:55

Yay! Finally that amateur map looks professional and actually has a theme.

2013-06-08 07:58

1 reply

yay the overused middle-eastern theme, kids and noobs will surely love it.

2013-06-09 15:54

Wtf is this? TF2?

2013-06-08 08:07

ugly as f*ck. Valve is making good maps for ffa server not for competitive playing. Just way tooo much colors details and etc. Same thing with inferno... it's sad

2013-06-08 08:07

1 reply

+1 public map, not competetive

2013-06-08 11:18

omg...mirage was my favorite map...it was just inzein and now...renew the train or inferno or what do you want but not mirage...:'(

2013-06-08 08:13

renew train, and create forge

2013-06-08 08:22

I dont know who is origin author of de_mirage, but he should sue them for rape ... yeah that is for sure, they raped great map, .. and now she look like cheap whore :( also ppl had one great 1.6map (all other was just reworked Sauce maps) and now we have shit ... I hope tournament organizers stay with original map. And this fucking shit by valve will be forgotten. Fuck you VALVe fuck you ....

2013-06-08 08:26

2 replies

you should know that Valve has all the copyrights of all custom maps. imo,this mirage remake is not that terrible judging from the screenshots. aleast its not narrow at some important battlefield. as you said valve, you know the community hate the narrow paths, why the fuck you dont do remakes of horrible train and inferno?

2013-06-08 08:50

haters gonna hate

2013-06-08 17:51

Can't say anything before actually playing it. Looks nice :)

2013-06-08 08:50

youtube.com/watch?v=1_T6XMDg53g

2013-06-08 09:06

I'm very skeptical about this new mirage... Let's hope it works out...

2013-06-08 09:26

"However, let�s be honest: Visually, Mirage hasn�t aged as well as some of Counter-Strike�s other classic maps. Put simply, it could really use a new coat of paint." This has to be a joke. In my opinion mirage is by far the best looking map of the actively played maps in CS:GO. It at least has some color, which makes the map far more pleasing to play in, and now it seems to look as boring as all the other maps do. Also, I liked the textures used in mirage because they were different from the other maps and helped in making the map very clear but now they change that as well.

2013-06-08 09:30

7 replies

2013-06-08 10:12

1 reply

Interview some professional players at DH Summer to see what they think about the map?

2013-06-15 20:04

yeah that was weird of them to say that. mirage had nice textures.

2013-06-08 10:30

exactly

2013-06-08 10:46

2013-06-08 11:19

this.that.all of it +1

2013-06-08 11:45

2013-06-08 15:31

Holy shit.

2013-06-08 09:31

dota 2 ftw!

2013-06-08 09:42

The current mirage is fine, it's de_train that's the worst map out of the competitive circle.

2013-06-08 09:46

2 replies

inferno worst

2013-06-08 10:16

1 reply

ssshhh! it is source's inferno. you might get lots of hate from them.

2013-06-08 16:20

Valve's jokes almost funny

2013-06-08 09:52

Looks great. Now it's fu..... time to remake train and inferno. Two Godlike maps, turned into newbs playground.

2013-06-08 09:53

1 reply

Hahaha playgrounds fo sure

2013-06-08 13:00

I actually really like the look of it, although worried by mid area. Will need to judge it more when it comes out. But deffo an improvement in the looks department, and compared to inf, dust2 and the others, it walks the park of them.

2013-06-08 09:57

this map look like shit... why destroy a good map like mirage?

2013-06-08 09:58

5 replies

Because they want make it "official". btw, I dno why people cry/care so much? Imo, this is a nice remake and we just need to adapt :) #AdaptOrDon'tPlay,SimpleAsThat!

2013-06-08 10:04

4 replies

mirage_ce 90 stable fps valves mirage prolly 20 fps with drops to 1 because of the useless details they put.

2013-06-08 11:06

2 replies

Wow you only get 90 fps in game?? Time to upgrade that wooden computer of yours..

2013-06-08 16:37

1 reply

my pc is wooden ofcourse. not everyone lives in canada to upgrade computers just for some game with retarded gameplay(my opinion). If i get the money i won't spend a penny on the computer, instead i'll upgrade my drumkit, cause my comp is fine enough to run dota2 and WoW.

2013-06-08 17:43

People cry because obviously everyone doesnt think this is a nice remake. Personally i think the map looks really horrible. There was nothing wrong with the old Mirage. The textures in the old one was so smooth and nice. And now this one looks like every other single map that valve has created.

2013-06-08 11:32

again another inferno with fucking cars.WWhy the **** they replace boxes with cars?They destroy the best map in csgo sadly :S

2013-06-08 09:58

ok wait

2013-06-08 09:58

I would like to see the underpass and T "house" the way to B and A house.. Because they didn't show a thing about that.. Anyway it looks kind a messed up..

2013-06-08 10:02

i don't like it at all.. hope the competitive events will continue to use mirage_ce

2013-06-08 10:05

Check the blog post with a neutral mind and it looks pretty good. Most i liked is how they changed shadows to make players more visible. I'd play this if they dont add fog and chickens,i'd also play this if they add but make a _se version without fog and chickens.

2013-06-08 10:08

1 reply

But why do they even need to change it to make it more visible when it was visible enough? Did anyone have a problem spotting enemys?

2013-06-08 10:44

They decided to change map that is perfect..GG

2013-06-08 10:14

doesn't look that bad to be honest, lets try it :D

2013-06-08 10:14

news after 3 day....WOW however this new edition is totally a shit...looks like a CSS map

2013-06-08 10:16

3 replies

You failed. Current mirage is based on CSS version of cpl_strike.

2013-06-08 10:51

1 reply

1.6 mirage, strike and css strike,mirage all look pretty much the same -.-

2013-06-08 11:48

Looks nothing like a CS:S map and #101

2013-06-08 12:17

i am the only one who is excited to test this?? :)

2013-06-08 10:28

11 replies

Yes + the noobs on steam forums

2013-06-08 13:02

8 replies

when did you start playing cs?

2013-06-08 13:55

7 replies

2001

2013-06-08 14:00

6 replies

then you are definitely not a noob yourself. i played first time 1999 (beta 4) and i don't consider myself a noob even though i haven't played competitively for a long time anymore

2013-06-08 16:14

5 replies

H@HA w0000w, you sure are awesome. Never said you were noob btw. Read again. Tard

2013-06-08 20:36

4 replies

calm down son. no one here needs to be a retard. you sure resemble one right now with that teenage style of writing but you still have your chance to keep your dignity. use that chance wisely

2013-06-08 21:16

3 replies

You are the one who thought he was offended in any way.You are the childish one starting when I someone started playing cs. I really don't understand why I shouldn't call you a retard =)

2013-06-08 22:19

2 replies

"You are the one who thought he was offended in any way." please clarify who is this "he" you are referring to. it's hardly childish to ask someone when he started playing cs. but it is narrow minded to call people noobs because they happen to like a certain map or write on certain forums. i'm sure there are people who go to steam forums, are not noobs and are excited to test this map.

2013-06-08 22:39

1 reply

You thought i called You a noob. That is why... Most of en are &#55357;&#56842;

2013-06-08 23:48

I am, it looks nice, only HLTV.org retards who judge things by the pictures.. it looks darn awesome

2013-06-08 13:19

1 reply

So... what are you judging it on?

2013-06-08 18:04

Casual players will be happy about this!

2013-06-08 10:30

I don't see why you guys are so negative to this map when you haven't even tried it? It looks awesome in my eyes?!

2013-06-08 10:33

I find this cool and interesting, though I loved the older version! The only thing I'm not that happy about is the look for middle.

2013-06-08 10:38

time for tuscan. VALVE PLS!

2013-06-08 10:47

2 replies

thats not valve's job, that was Brutesmaps(?) job i guess

2013-06-08 13:19

1 reply

Brute will create great and clean competitive map ... but VALVEs reaction will be like ...ahwww screw him we will make our new tuscan with new textures better trash on map + more chickens and fog ;-)

2013-06-09 10:26

hi valve, you suck. kkthx

2013-06-08 10:47

y u no fog? lets be honest, it has too much details man srsly.. the mirage which we have now is just perfect.. i dont get it valve.. OH WAIIIIT, its almost ready.. be prepared for some fog and chickens

2013-06-08 10:53

ugly as fuck. std one is looking much better than this bullshit.

2013-06-08 10:56

Classic mirage is a good map. What the hell with valve and their ideas to change good things for bad ones, like update 1.6 after several years?

2013-06-08 10:58

I dont like it

2013-06-08 10:59

No one gives a fuck about some sauce mirage! The current mirage is great. Everyone waits for tuscan , please bring us tuscan.

2013-06-08 11:01

4 replies

Funny since de_mirage_go looks more like the CS:S Mirage than the 1.6 one.

2013-06-08 12:16

3 replies

lol every saucer cryes that mirage is pure 1.6 map... that there wasnt mirage in CS:S at all, i only heard about cpl_strike in CS:S, now you say that mirage_go is more CSS map then 1.6 one? there is almost no difference in the mirage_go and 1.6 mirage... Imo they destroyed mirage_go just cuz everyone liked it 10 times more then every official map. /sry for my english.

2013-06-08 13:00

You mean "strike" from CSS (afaik there was no mirage), which was made by cashed, who made the map based on the original CS 1.6 strike, which again was made by Bubkez. The thing he means: The Valve version of mirage comes with that "CSS look". And what a "CSS look" is you will understand if you compare the original official CS 1.6 maps (dust2, inferno, train,...) with the ones from CSS. CSS-strike already had a "1.6 look".

2013-06-08 13:12

1 reply

This looks nothing like a CS:S map though. So again, it makes zero sense.

2013-06-08 13:55

omg this map. There are way to much detailsfor playing. Why dont just put in the original version. de_mirage_ce looked so good because it was diffrent from the other maps with awesome textures but they have to change it to the same dust sh*t.

2013-06-08 11:06

hahahahahaha valve =)))) "Since we launched Counter-Strike back in 2000, Mirage has remained one of the most popular competitive maps next to Dust2"

2013-06-08 11:14

I say we bombard valve's mailbox in the hope that they stop making useless and rubbish updates! One update a month and all of the them just seems to add bullshit rather than fix the obvious flaws.

2013-06-08 11:15

to much hate guyz

2013-06-08 11:22

Cringe every time when I see hltv news being late for a few days lol

2013-06-08 11:25

WELCOME 10 FPS !

2013-06-08 11:27

2 replies

welcome wooden pc user

2013-06-08 11:36

1 reply

:DDDDDD made my day, +1 bamboo pc's ftw!

2013-06-08 15:52

what the hell is valve doing?

2013-06-08 11:33

loooool who will play this -.-

2013-06-08 11:34

FFS

2013-06-08 11:44

this is bullshit what valve is doing

2013-06-08 11:47

Valve should spend more time on fixing actual problems in this game such as the MM Tickrate rather than wasting time on making other versions of maps that are already made perfect..... I'm not saying that this new map is bad, but there are more important things to do atm.

2013-06-08 11:48

Jesus, people in this community are so fucking negative and constantly adverse to any change at all. From reading that blog post the map looks better in almost every respect. The overall look is better and more cohesive and they've obviously really taken time to try to make minor changes that have a positive influence on how the map plays. Why don't moaners wait until it comes out and play it, who knows it may actually be a more balanced and enjoyable competitive map than the current version.......

2013-06-08 11:53

5 replies

2013-06-08 12:53

because they're a bunch of 12 year olds who cry because their mommy stopped breastfeeding them at 10, so now they cry at any changes. no matter how positive the outcome may be

2013-06-08 15:16

1 reply

if 1.6ers are 12 y.o. then saucers like you would be 6 or so...

2013-06-08 16:16

because you play cs for fun many take it more seriously

2013-06-08 16:16

Are you a fucking retard? Mirage is the FUCKING ONLY PROPER MAP CSGO HAS !!!! WHY THE FUCK DOES IT NEED CHANGES??? dust2 NEEDS changes, nuke NEEDS changes, dust1 NEEEDS changes and FUCKING TRAIN AND INFERNO NEED FUCKING CHANGES!!! Mirage is THE ONLY FUCKING GOOD MAP IN THIS GAME and they decide to change THAT map ??? What is WRONG with the people working at valve?

2013-06-10 05:13

is that a freaking van in b bombsite instead of the boxes we use to get in the house? I really think we need some tanks to increase the FPS drops.

2013-06-08 11:54

1 reply

the van is the same dimensions to jump onto that the current green container is. no effect on gameplay at all.

2013-06-09 05:00

shit. why can't they just implement the already existing version? this "official" one is just another mainstream shit map with all that junk.

2013-06-08 11:55

3 replies

why dont you take a minute to stop dribbling everywhere and actually read the blog about why they have made certain changes. then you would realise that most of them are positive and have no effect on how the map plays.

2013-06-09 05:00

2 replies

ok, i will do that now.

2013-06-09 11:30

R0fL yea~~~ 80fps less is gonna be so positive 4 Gam3plAy~~

2013-06-10 05:15

OMG this looks so good can't wait to play it ADASDASDASADAAD run and gun with the p90..move in tiny corners like all the other cs:go maps HuahsHAUHAHA

2013-06-08 11:58

I don't like the new style of de_mirage. Sure I'm 1.6's player,some souce player will like this style.

2013-06-08 12:02

Ooooo this is so sad. There is obviously a lot of work put in to this and this map looks interesting, but honestly i really liked the old mirage. I'm tired of cars and other urban stuff replacing boxes etc. It looks so much more random and sloppy that i can not take it seriously. I would love to have this map added, but we also need to add the old mirage by it's side, cause if your asking me they look like two different maps.

2013-06-08 12:12

I don't get why people can't be open to change. It's the same map, just a bit more 'with the times' you could say. I really like it, I think I'd enjoy playing it. All of the gameplay aspects they have made to the map make perfect sense too, such as exposing the CT's at the boost box on A, and making the snipers easier to spot in window. I hope leagues pick this map up.

2013-06-08 12:14

16 replies

#154 explained it well!

2013-06-08 14:13

15 replies

He's talking waffle, and just trying to pick apart everything valve do, when in truth they have done a good job.

2013-06-08 14:29

14 replies

His points are absolutely legit. Valve have not done a good job, hell they don't even know when this map was created!

2013-06-08 15:22

13 replies

Cool they got some stats wrong. Lurppis was quick to point that out with his cynical attitude towards life. They did do a good job imo. I think the map is nice and all of their tweaks have good reasons behind them.

2013-06-08 15:52

12 replies

How old are you? Have you ever worked on a real project? Some stats? It's not about the amount of mistakes they made it's about the impact of those. Yes some of the changes are good like the B-site changes, but the stairs are bullshit. The electric box is also not the best idea and it's gonna definitely alter the balance a lot more than they initially thought. Condensing mid is a very, very, very bad idea. Their changes might have good reasons, but there's even better reasons to keep some things in status quo. Bottom line, the negatives of the changes certainly look to outweigh the positives!

2013-06-08 16:26

11 replies

What does my age and if I have worked on a "real project" (vague) have to do with anything. Didn't even bother to read the rest of your post, I'm done lol.

2013-06-08 16:32

10 replies

It really does lol. You basically said that a few mistakes is not bad.

2013-06-08 17:03

9 replies

Because I don't think they are mistakes. I think they are sensible changes. And for the record I am 21. There isn't any point me trying to tell people on HLTV what an opinion in so I'll just end it here.

2013-06-08 17:13

8 replies

You're the one who always supports Valve in everything they do and you always comply to every change they make. Of course you're free to have a preference in the texture changes and you might likethe new "improved" mirage graphics, but the truth is you cannot really say that adding the stairs is a good thing. It alters the hitboxes and adds an aspect that everyone hates about FPS games in general. The age mattered because there's an experience point after which you realize that mistakes might be costly, and it's not about the quantity of the mistakes, but their qualitative impact on the whole. Anyway I'm glad that this discussion ends without a series of flaming comments ;)

2013-06-08 17:27

7 replies

I don't support them in everything they do at all. I'm just accept change better than you. I honestly think they have done a good job with this map. I hate the fog in MM. I hated the 2 flashbang. I hate the deagle. I hate the way smokes work in CS:GO. There is a lot that needs changing, but I think they have done well here.

2013-06-08 17:29

6 replies

See now you're implying that I am inflexible. No, I'm just willing to point out the flaws in an update and request a tweak to the update, because once deployed it'll be a long time till they actually try to update it again. Anytime you're eliminating some flaws the last thing you want to do is introduce new ones, hence why a thing called regression testing is always done before a release/update. At present mirage has little 'need-to-change' things and mid is certainly not one of them. The newly included electric box is definitely not going to help. What I hate is that they're imagining inventing false feedback to argument their decisions. My opinion is keep the B-changes, change back mid as it was, electric box is not a solution. And most importantly, return karrigan-corner box!

2013-06-08 17:44

5 replies

I wasn't implying that you are inflexible, stop making it about you. I was showing that I don't agree with everything Valve has done, but I DO agree with this. I think they have done well with the tweaks they have made, while also making it more appealing to a mainstream audience which is imperative for the game to succeed.

2013-06-08 19:19

4 replies

Yea, changing some boxes into stairs is gonna make CS:Go so fucking mainstream, brah!@

2013-06-10 05:20

3 replies

The overall look of the map you half wit. Like talking to a brick wall on here.

2013-06-10 05:24

2 replies

So making the map look more like any version of de_dust is gonna make it mainstream? What the fuck is your point?

2013-06-10 05:52

1 reply

They made the map look more up to date, and appealing to a main stream audience. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. I personally prefer the old mirage look, but I understand why they changed the aesthetics of it. I seriously feel like pre-school teacher here. Someone help.

2013-06-10 07:53

my dog took a massive dump that looked better than this map

2013-06-08 12:17

5 replies

im sure valve and everyone else appreciate your well thought-out and valued opinion. retard

2013-06-09 05:07

4 replies

i hope you get aids and die you heap of shit. oh and your entire family gets cancer

2013-06-09 06:11

2 replies

you sound quite angry. maybe your parents should have gone through with that abortion they had planned for you

2013-06-09 20:13

1 reply

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/photo/202432..

2013-06-11 15:06

Don't act like Valve would read any opinion about their updates.

2013-06-10 05:21

dog shit map nobody gonna switch to it.

2013-06-08 12:28

3 replies

i will laugh when its released next week and everyone switches. you will switch to it whether you like it or not.

2013-06-09 05:14

2 replies

2013-06-09 17:11

ROFL. Do you seriously think leagues will pick up this garbagemap?

2013-06-10 05:22

HLTV's vision of aesthetics: i.pinger.pl/pgr106/8df05ace00244fd849a67.. - BEAUTIFUL ilooksexynaked.com/wp-content/uploads/20.. - SO UGLY OMG!

2013-06-08 12:30

10 replies

Hahha nice

2013-06-08 12:39

This might actually be true =D

2013-06-08 14:12

The 2nd is the current competitive mirage (GO mirage, decent graphics, textures, unaltered gameplay which is enjoyable for everybody) This is Valve's mirage favim.com/orig/201105/12/blue-girl-hair-.. Some people might like her very much, but she's not the normal girl. And lastly who the fuck cares about the aesthetics when it brings unwanted aspects into the game? This is again turning into a 1.6 vs source discussion where the source community complies with everything Valve does and allegedly they "like" it, while the truth is they just want to see the 1.6ers unhappy. Peace and out.

2013-06-08 17:32

6 replies

It was only a joke. Nobody has even played the map yet, we are judging the map by how it looks, and it looks damn good imo, I'll reserve full judgement until I have actually been on the map though.

2013-06-08 18:31

1 reply

well we know that the mid will promote the hitboxes at stairs problem. That should be removed, B changes are fine. The electric boxes are gonna weaken the CT-side, and it's gonna have a lot more influence on the game than valve devs think. Mid being cluttered might be a problem but let's wait for the map to be released.

2013-06-08 21:00

Yeh because all us sourcers are just like girls on instagram who spam like on everything. n1 bro All we know right now is that the graphics have been upgraded and small parts have been altered. And plz don't say, it's from your judgement of valves past work. Time have proofed that players just need to get used to it. But you've probly blindfolded your self, like the rest of all the complainers.

2013-06-08 19:07

3 replies

wait what? I cannot relate this instagram bullshit. Read #338 I'm not a complainer, I don't reject the whole change, I try to provide constructive cricism. I just think that the negatives of this change will outweigh the positives. Visibility will be irrelevant if we still have the stair-glitch and the A-defense will be tremendously harder with the electric box. I understand Mirage is CT-based, but those boxes add so many aspects to the game. But let's wait and see what happens. Hope the maps gets thoroughly tested before being thrown into the competitive map pool.

2013-06-08 21:04

2 replies

Sorry wrote it in anger, got a tooth issue so my whole skull hurts. Kind of just had to get it out on someone, so I skimmed through the comments and boom, read wrong.

2013-06-10 22:25

1 reply

A real man openly admits his mistakes, but assures not to make the same mistakes too. :)

2013-06-10 22:40

The problem with this "map_update" is the fact that THIS IS THE ONLY MAP IN CSGO THAT DOESN'T NEED AN UPGRADE.

2013-06-10 05:24

What the fuq is this man ....

2013-06-08 12:37

"A common complaint we receive from players is that there are a lot of spaces in classic maps that just feel too tight." AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Valve, if people complain about "classic maps that feel to tight", they don't mean the original CS 1.6 versions (which are all very "open"), they mean your poor GO versions of them, like inferno. Nobody ever said the original CS 1.6 versions would have felt too tight. And mirage is an almost carbon copy of the CS 1.6 mirage. How can you even misunderstand that critics?! "In Mirage, this was particularly pronounced at the entrance to A from CT spawn." Bullshit! Nobody ever said that. That entrance was already very wide. "So we widened that entrance to improve the flow of the game while making the space more interesting to move through." Are you kidding me? You added stairs to one of the most important area of the map, stairs that make your hitboxes jump while running over them. And you deleted the lower box in the karrigan-conrern. If you would have watched even one demo, you would have realized how important that box is.

2013-06-08 12:52

5 replies

Yea i agree about that the _go/_ce version got wide entrance in A allready. Now it's even easier for the T's to rush A. Because there is hard to cover the A-house from the "electric box by the connecter" as they made it more visible to the T's to pick off a Ct holding the angle. And if the T's rush from the "t-ramp" the only thing they need to do is to spray towards the "Even more wide entrance". I feel A bombsite is gonna be like 65% T and 35%CT sided(If not even more for the T's). About B, i dont think the gameplay is changed that much, you still got some corners to keep diffrent angles etc.

2013-06-08 13:35

totally agree about the lower box! And that new texture is so ugly, needless and an eye-sore!

2013-06-08 14:12

edit: Don't get me wrong. I think it's great and necessary to make tight areas larger (though I'm not sure, if it was a great idea to make that already large area even larger; need to test it first), but there are A LOT of other areas on other maps like inferno and train where they should do that first. Reading that text makes me feel betrayed because they use a critic people like me gave them for other maps to change a map that has nothing to do with that critics.

2013-06-08 16:22

Valve didn't create the maps that are out right now. That was HPE.

2013-06-08 19:30

Yea really this map'update' and how VALVE has written the arguments to backup these changes have really made me lose hope for this game.. :( HOW THE FUCK CAN SOMEONE START EDITING MIRAGE WHEN PEOPPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT TIGHT SPACES? HAVE THESE FUCKING IDIOTS EVER LOADED UP INFERNO_SE?

2013-06-10 05:28

troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/valve..

2013-06-08 12:58

3 replies

+100000000000000000000000

2013-06-08 13:38

2013-06-08 15:53

2013-06-10 05:29

I read the opening line of their article and I immediately got the urge to shoot them -.- Some of the improvement are acceptable, but most of them just promote too much flashiness. And there's definitely no need to replace simple textures with some more demanding eye-sores.

2013-06-08 13:05

1 reply

2013-06-08 13:44

shit map, old mirage best map ever <3

2013-06-08 13:07

FK DUST! Y U NO WATER OR WEED?

2013-06-08 13:07

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT !!!!!!!!!

2013-06-08 13:08

Valve <3 Arab's old life

2013-06-08 13:08

look weird! I can't see any fog and chickens...

2013-06-08 13:09

Why oh fucking why do You have To keep changing containers into fucking cars!

2013-06-08 13:09

2 replies

don't worry, we have ce version

2013-06-08 13:11

hahahaha true

2013-06-08 21:30

shitty map =(

2013-06-08 13:10

I'm fine with this map if no one will play it outside match making and pub's

2013-06-08 13:10

This is the proof that VALVE doesn't listen to the community, no wonder why we will never reach 50% of League of Legends playerbase.

2013-06-08 13:10

Quite funny to see everyone complaining yet nobody has ever played the map ever before.

2013-06-08 13:18

3 replies

Well, people complain by the looks on it and make thoughts about how the gameplay is changed etc. Then when they play it, they complain again about how it is/feels etc. Thats pretty much what it is when you make something new. You show the costumers pictures first of a "prototype" and then want some feedback(complains etc). And then it's the release of it, when ppl do the same. Always minimum two-stages of complains. Your comment is stupid, i think even Valve knows this.

2013-06-08 14:42

Quite funny to see you thinking you need to play a map to understand the gameplay.

2013-06-10 05:30

1 reply

You're just mad that I'm blaming you for the laggs. Hilarious actually. Quite funny to see you playing the game overall when you say it's shit.

2013-06-10 14:04

Nice but I dislike some gameplay changes they made. Like this: blog.counter-strike.net/wp-content/uploa.. But we'll see how it plays out.

2013-06-08 13:19

2 replies

YEA this is bullshit

2013-06-08 13:39

lets make a ramp to the handicaps!

2013-06-08 14:02

no way any tournaments is gonna take in this map. its so bad lol

2013-06-08 13:25

opaa valve style :D:D shit shit & shit

2013-06-08 13:28

With more screenshots it doesn't actually look that bad, but let's wait and play it first!

2013-06-08 13:28

SOURCE CRAP!

2013-06-08 13:34

only 1 map is similar to cs 1.6 and they have to fuck that up tooooo... great

2013-06-08 14:04

2 replies

Look, this isn't 1.6, you have to accept that or go back to your beloved 1.6. There is nothing wrong with improved visuals. But some gameplay changes might or might not suck, I agree on that.

2013-06-08 14:10

1 reply

PPL DO NOT WANT 1.6 THEY WANT THE GOOD STUFF FROM 1.6! SIMPLICITY,MOVEMENT,TAGGING... freaking cartoon-strike : GO

2013-06-08 16:13

That car is just useless. blog.counter-strike.net/wp-content/uploa..

2013-06-08 14:06

1 reply

valve's logic : replace all boxes with cars

2013-06-08 16:11

Good, next please de_tuscan.

2013-06-08 14:08

You are doing it wrong Valve

2013-06-08 14:11

I bet valve's tuscan will be worse

2013-06-08 14:11

One thing I don't get... cpl_strike and later mirage in 1.6 are both themed like de_inferno, or pretty close to it. Why the sudden urge to make it like dust? Assholes.

2013-06-08 14:12

2 replies

Noobs can't see shit on inferno thats why they made it more "dust".

2013-06-08 14:25

Because people that hardly know anything about CS (e.g.: VALVE Corporation) think its all about playing "de_dust(2)"

2013-06-10 05:32

It's just going to ruin my fps

2013-06-08 14:12

4me this mirage is better than the old one

2013-06-08 14:13

3 replies

for me too.

2013-06-08 14:20

2 replies

its more simple, the old one was too much real

2013-06-08 14:26

1 reply

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

2013-06-08 15:33

well apart from the fact that we didnt have mirage back in 2000, its a polished version of the current map. Valve ofc doesnt force leagues etc to play the map as we still have mirage_ce and its up to the players criteria which map we will play. to me its the same map exactly, same mechanics etc. we might experience an fps drop but for us that we have 200+ at regular maps wont be much of a problem.

2013-06-08 14:26

mirage is shit map we want strike and fire back.

2013-06-08 14:30

I find the new textures om the wall boring, but some changes are quite interresting, like underpass and that they removed the sides in the mid window

2013-06-08 14:32

1 reply

Yea so interesting how the pubplayers are gonna adapt their tactixxx

2013-06-10 05:33

keep "fixing" the stuff that's not broken and ignore the community feedback.

2013-06-08 14:34

1 reply

+++111 I hope they fix the buymenu next, I think its working too good.

2013-06-10 05:34

I dont understand adding cars especially on that spot on b site,its like they deliberately want movement to be slower and retarded,also those small stairs in mid,if they are like on inferno,people will get stuck in them,hopefully this wont be played.

2013-06-08 14:51

Where does all the hate come from? These guys are trying to keep our game alive, and they are doing their best. Many of you seem to actively TRY to find reasons to bring them down, even in how they express themselves. What. The. Fuck.

2013-06-08 14:56

4 replies

12 year olds, they don't have the mental capacity to string together 1 sentence of coherent constructive feedback

2013-06-08 15:33

3 replies

who the fk are you to judge ppl you don't know... many paid money for the game ,even if the game is cheap, so they have the right to not like it and complain -.- better give an argument rather than some googled words that make you look smart...

2013-06-08 16:05

2 replies

I never said they don't have the right to complain, I said " they don't have the mental capacity to string together 1 sentence of coherent constructive feedback", which is clearly evident in many posts here. now I am not speaking about all. complain as much as you want, but unintelligent posts like "this sux", "fck u vulve" dosen't get you anywhere. if you disagree with something then bring it out, explain WHY you disprove of a certain change.

2013-06-08 16:15

1 reply

It has been explained many, many times. Actually, VALVE has a PERFECT example of how to make a succesful, interesting and popular game. Have you heard about it? It is called; Counter-Strike 1.6 Do we have to explain how this game works after every update? Do we have to explain that the maps and movement make this game so great and keeps us wanting more? Do we have to explain what makes a succesful game EVERY fucking time they decide to destroy an interesting part of the game? Seriously, it's getting boring and that's why people are flaming, they are getting TIRED.

2013-06-10 05:38

I don't care how good or bad this map is, and right now I couldn't even give a shit about whether it'll be used in competitive matches. This is my complaint to all the idiots who think this is a good update: Why doesn't Valve focus fixing shit that needs to be fixed?

2013-06-08 14:59

lurppis, I missed you so much. As far as mirage is concerned, I'll wait with judging it gameplay-wise until I actually played on it. It is obvious from the pictures though that it will have the same problems the other maps gained from being CS:GOed; e. g. strange angles and random stuff right at the corners of important walls that make it impossible to effectively hold these angles, decisive elements of the map are nullified (are there no "curtains" in CPL? I bet you can't throw smokes through those fences, wouldn't be surprised if they aren't spamable lol - at least not effectively, hopefully the few boosts that survived GO's skyboxes are still possible), overpacked details make it harder to see enemies/to concentrate on what is important, turning ramps into steps makes it impossible to benefit from one of the last few elements of the game game where bunnyhopping is actually viable (when jumping UP ramps), etc. From the looks of it, they utterly destroyed how b1 was used to be defended. And the need to construct a whole universe around the area that is actually possible to play on will make players with less powerful machines suffer. In 1.6, the maps were actually a part of a player's playing style and a team's strategic choices. You could enjoy playing and watching people play on the different maps differently. In GO it just feels like "maps" are only a factor gameplay-wise in the sense of "parcouring" ("just don't run against stuff"), whereas the IN-GAME behaviour and tactical methods look the same throughout all the maps. On the other hand, at least VALVe kept some rich and contrasted colours, and it is also nice to see that they're at least working on something.

2013-06-08 15:12

2 replies

+1 For your whole post except the last two sentences, I'd rather have VALVe employees drink some coffee and brainstorm some proper ideas instead of building some shitty maps...

2013-06-10 05:41

1 reply

Thing is, "proper ideas" in my mind would be gameplay-related changes for the most part, and I just don't see VALVe implementing anything of that nature anytime soon. I mean, it is pathetic to say it, but right now I feel like as a CS fan you have to be happy that there at least is some kind of development activity happening - and recreating a map surely requires some kind of dedication. But you are right, even if we can't hope for major gameplay-related changes, I would much rather see them do other things map-porting wise. Such as fixing the problems of existing maps instead of changing around a perfectly playable other one. Also, I have to add that one aspect of GO that I think makes it play somewhat map-dependent is the way how grenades work. So I hope VALVe didn't **** around with the skyboxes too much in terms of grenade placement. That we can only see when the map is actually released though. Hopefully some of the sick wallbangs that were possible on mirage weren't gotten rid off.

2013-06-10 21:57

New de_mirage...... We want tuscan!

2013-06-08 15:08

2 replies

+1!!!

2013-06-08 15:31

2013-06-11 15:51

SHIT.

2013-06-08 15:12

so.. do u have a good map which the community love? lets fuck it up and turn it into a "saucers" map... valve logic

2013-06-08 15:35

5 replies

mirage looked the same in source as it was till now in go brainless retard

2013-06-08 15:52

4 replies

i didnt said that, i just said that they turned the only good map into a "saucers" map.. i didnt said that they changed the cs:go one into the source version... nice try anyway

2013-06-08 16:30

3 replies

This map is better than the original, and Valve couldn't add the original to MM anyway because IT WASN'T THEIR MAP. Jesus you're retarded, do the world a favor and never post again.

2013-06-08 19:19

2 replies

yeah keep playing a downgrade game saucers gonna sauce

2013-06-08 19:27

"This map is better than the original" - hahaha u are a complete brickhead! Hope they will add some shiny weapon skins for u too, so u and other 7 dudes that likes this kinda stuff can be happy lol! Those people who are working there for valve to update csgo - they have almost no idea at all what they are doing, palm trees and cars everywhere, who wants that ? teenagers like u , who thinks that shiny things can make an awfull game better!

2013-06-09 04:20

de_shit.... we need tuscan yet

2013-06-08 15:51

1 reply

tusscannnnn <3 !

2013-06-08 16:12

Can't believe how people think they turn it into a saucers map?, the "sauce" mirage didn't look like that, it looked like the classic one!, plus valve dont ruin a freakin amazing map....jesus bananas

2013-06-08 15:57

not gonna judge this thing before trying.. some of the changes might be fresh and fun.. cant know before testing it out on a gather / match.

2013-06-08 16:07

If this isn't a joke, I will hang myself okok.

2013-06-08 16:19

The new version mirage looks like dusty crap.

2013-06-08 16:20

That.... looks awful :(

2013-06-08 16:30

Seems like this site is filled with masochist. They utterly hate this game but just keep playing it and than bitching about it even though they know Valve isn't planning on making GO a copy of 1.6 or source. 1.6 and Source can still be played. Just go back to those games, nobody is stopping you.

2013-06-08 16:36

6 replies

did you follow any game forum 'til now ? go look at the world of warcraft,diablo 3,starcraft 2 forums, there is ten times more hate than here but blizz actually listens to what people want and improves the games bit by bit... and fucking stop with those copy 1.6 arguments no1 wants a copy. csgo was supposed to be the best fps game and draw new players to it and it failed... the only thing keeping it alive are the tournaments which keep the pros playing it and the pros who attract fanboys...

2013-06-08 19:48

5 replies

how did it failed?, the player base is rising, they adding new content every month or so, just because it is not silencer or a gameplay change, you don't have to bash the game that many people actually enjoy playing. And making gameplay changes is not very good idea, since many players got used to playing how it is.

2013-06-08 20:27

4 replies

yeah gameplay changes is not very good idea but remaking a good balanced map instead of making a new one like tuscan, is a good idea.

2013-06-09 05:54

1 reply

I don't know why they decided to do that, I guess they got tired of people asking them to put mirage in MM so they decided to make their own version which is a bit crap :)

2013-06-09 12:19

omg so nice new content; they changed a few boxes into a ramp. gjgj valve

2013-06-10 05:44

1 reply

not that content, was talking about overwatch, operation payback and so on.

2013-06-10 09:18

I don't get it. Why do they want to change one of the most popular as well as balanced maps in the game? I haven't heard a single complaint about the map or its graphics. In my head it makes zero sense, that they would rather change a great map instead of making a new map like tuscan.

2013-06-08 16:42

2 replies

2013-06-08 16:45

1 reply

+1337

2013-06-10 05:44

Valve's graphic designers like so much crap lying around maps.. that's horrible.

2013-06-08 16:43

Looks cool! waiting for tuscan ...

2013-06-08 17:01

blog.counter-strike.net/wp-content/uploa.. After I plant the bomb anyone want to join me? I'll be sitting on one of those chairs.

2013-06-08 17:06

7 replies

AHAH sure

2013-06-08 17:38

i'll bring a table so we can eat something while waiting for the explosion.

2013-06-08 17:55

1 reply

xDDD

2013-06-09 10:36

H@H@H@H@

2013-06-08 17:57

ROFL

2013-06-08 21:36

LMFAO

2013-06-09 08:49

hahahaha, oh man, valve :)

2013-06-10 05:46

So it will be used at matchmaking? Will it be for free, so every CS_GO user can play Mirrage on matchmaking? In my opinion then it would be a good update! Ye and the changes... Well, i'm just happy being able to play it with MM!

2013-06-08 17:30

2013-06-08 17:46

Judging from all of the screenshots before I saw the mid bit, it looks better for competitive play. The main reason is because you can see the models more clearly which is one of my gripes with CS:GO in general. The connecter bit is better from what I can see in the pictures for CT's because it makes it easier to shoot the T's coming up from mid to A. In general the colours look better, the previous one was still good (one of the few bareable maps in CS:GO) and I don't think it needed changing, I'd rather Valve focused on other maps (train/inferno mainly) and gameplay improvements.

2013-06-08 17:56

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"it looks better for competitive play." Ehm, nope. What does this better for competitive play? burning cars, forklifts, barrels, stairways instead of ramps & carriages does not make a map good for competition, thats typical valve maps, BAD MAPS. Just fuckin realize that clean maps like 1.6 is the best for competitive play, holy saucers on this site.

2013-06-08 18:05

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Yeah you're right it doesn't in that aspect 100% I forgot to edit that out BUT I like what they have done with the model being more clear against the background in other parts of the map that aren't mid. 1.6 maps are definitely the best for competitive play but they'll never revert back to that style unfortunately. I want to actually wait for the release to see how much the extra shit they have added in terms of clutter affect game play.

2013-06-08 18:17

i dont understand for what they add trah and other crap for what DAMN FIX GAME and inferno idiots

2013-06-08 18:39

You downies don't understand that you're all horribly biased towards 1.6 maps. Every new player on the Valve forums loves this remake of Mirage. I asked some friends of mine who have never played 1.6 which map looks better, and they all chose Valve's version. You're all so blind and ignorant it's sad. There is very little clutter around this map. What most of you are complaining about is a more detailed visual design. I mean really, of all things to complain about in a map, you're going to complain about updated visuals? It's like taking the bottle away from a baby, you kids cry so much about everything. Don't even try talking about the gameplay yet because it hasn't even been released yet. Jesus this community is AWFUL.

2013-06-08 19:17

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take the opinions of people who don't play the game or suck at it and implement it!?! are you perhaps a valve employee ?

2013-06-08 19:39

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Who said take all their opinions? I guess when you have nothing to say you need to make up some bullshit and pretend I said it in order to have a debate. Valve has taken a huge amount of advice from the pro community since taking the game over from HPE. When it comes to the visual design of the maps, yes they should listen to the new players. Visual designs shouldn't affect gameplay but they should attract newer players. Also, if you even took the time to read (something that must be difficult for you and the majority on hltv.org), you would see in the blog post that Valve did listen to the competitive community when remaking this map (added bright ares for contrast between models and the map, maintained proportions, widened some choke points, etc).

2013-06-08 20:43

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pro comunity? also what new design do you see ? i see the same design for all the maps

2013-06-09 10:57

honestly i never heard that any of the pros tested this map or gave input?! maybe some retired or unknown usa pro players did ,that i don't know. if you value the opinion of some random dudes more than the opinions of people who actually play the game ,and are good at it, then what else should i think? even though there are many idiots and unreasonable people on this site that does not mean that it lacks some good and experienced players from eu.are you that "eloquent" and arrogant in real life too? does insulting and making assumptions make you feel good in some weird way? because i did read the blog,twitter and saw all the pics talked about it with friends who played cs on lan for many years and also saw/heared the input from some pros and after all that i wrote here,sorry to disappoint you.

2013-06-09 11:11

Yea man the whole pro-community was whining that mirage was too shitty and too small, they all said Inferno was perfect and needed no change cause it was so big and wide already it was amazing! Fuckoff if you don't know shit.

2013-06-10 05:49

I like the way it looks mostly from the screenshots (will have to wait to play it to give a proper opinion) but why did they focus on mirage (which is one of the few maps thats GREAT for competitive play) rather than train which is HORRIBLE or inferno which needs adjustments. Dust2 isn't perfect either (too much clutter on A/mid/BCross) but it's playable. They haven't listened to the pro players either for SO many of the things that are at fault with this game, the players have consistently come on here and posted that they haven't listened.

2013-06-10 00:39

map does not match the cs;go

2013-06-08 19:26

hi valve, you suck. fuck valve, take in cpl fire from source! awezome map!

2013-06-08 19:49

Why would you take a map that used is playable by everyone and change it? Why don't you try changing the stupid inferno you made?

2013-06-08 20:09

shitty looking,... such as dis game

2013-06-08 20:18

'We wanted to have a detailed and comprehensive understanding of how the map was played on a competitive level, so that we could achieve a specific goal: to improve the readability and graphics of Mirage without losing any of the gameplay, jumps, corners, timings and balance that has made it so incredibly playable for three generations of Counter-Strike players.' right

2013-06-08 20:22

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It almost seems like VALVe is actually trolling :D Sadly they are not :(

2013-06-10 05:50

RIP mirage

2013-06-08 20:22

They're DESTROYING mirage... R.I.P

2013-06-08 20:56

valve go sleep please..

2013-06-08 21:49

Keep fucking the game, your core player base is liking it, you can see that for the awesome comments here. /sarcasm And the casual players that play the game once a week sure will make the difference. With this new map cs:go will pass 1.6, TF2 and dota2 Player Peak. Keep the good job and now mess with the gameplay and mobility in-game. bahh

2013-06-08 21:59

GO HOME VALVE YOU ARE DRUNK

2013-06-09 00:23

I hate being the one who cries before it's tried out, but this looks like shit compared to the other mirage.

2013-06-09 00:35

Can we fix inferno and train before making new maps please?

2013-06-09 04:07

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2013-06-09 04:24

Does it take the entire development team to fix one map?

2013-06-09 04:30

2013-06-09 04:47

N@h. Lets increase AK-47 price by 50$

2013-06-10 05:53

2013-06-10 22:28

youtube.com/watch?v=22IDDDy4RXk&feature=.. please add this

2013-06-09 05:03

Valve... all you had to do was just introduce the original map as it was into the normal game for more casual players that play MM. That was literally it. All this random effort you've made will only serve to make players un-used to mirage and generally make it worse. It was one of the best maps in cs as it was.. just leave it and put it in the game, and spend all that time/money/effort making a NEW map. if you're going to get players to re learn a map it may as well be an original one, not just screwing over everyone's favorite competitively balanced map :(

2013-06-09 05:15

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I don't think Valve realized that 100% of players are at the professional competitive level and had memorized every pixel of de_mirage.

2013-06-09 11:01

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I don't think you got his point.

2013-06-10 05:53

What the fuck are they doing? :s bunch of cunts @valve

2013-06-09 10:31

I don't get it.. they are using time to adjust the best looking, playable map in the game? Why not try to fix de_chicken(inferno) or train where the trains are fucking retarded. De_nuke and Mirage are the two best maps currently in my opinion, when Brute gets done with Tuscan im sure we will have 3 good maps.

2013-06-09 11:05

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yes but I'm not playing well on mirage and nuke ):

2013-06-09 15:26

and they add this shit mirage to MM ? HHAHA I want mirage_ce and _se maps in MM. Not that shit mirage ...

2013-06-09 12:25

Stairs....Stairs everywhere

2013-06-09 12:34

From watching those 7 screens the original mirage even looks better imo. I mean I find the textures and colors more appealing to the eye than the new ones.

2013-06-09 14:27

best day of my life....

2013-06-09 15:52

I'm really getting sick of valve destroying the only few positive aspects CSGO has, focus on the real issues instead of trying to change the things that no one gives a fucking shit about.

2013-06-09 16:03

Whats wrong with csgodev? Stupid decisions. Original mirage looks and is way better.

2013-06-09 16:36

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It looks may be judged already, but have you played the new one? Doubt it. Stupid troll.

2013-06-09 19:05

I think it looks ok, visibility does seem slightky improved. As long as the map plays the same as mirage_ce i don't see what the issue is.

2013-06-09 17:18

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Was thinking the same.

2013-06-09 17:58

You're obviously wrong. It's hltv. You should bash Valve and whine how bad this new map is (without even playing it). So, go go go and start whining.

2013-06-12 13:44

why they dont add tuscan and fix the deagle which is SOOOOOOOOO SHIT.... cant understand them

2013-06-09 19:09

The issue is that THERE HAVE OTHER MAPS THAT HAVE BIG ISSUES. Inferno? TRAIN? They have no sense of priority. I agree this mpa isnt that bad, but come the fuckon. look at the other aspects of the game.

2013-06-09 20:17