Brute talks de_tuscan port

13-2-2014 21:58

Colin "Brute" Volrath has shared the latest updates on his de_tuscan port with CS:GO caster Brandon "c0tton.nz" Miao.

Last month, several screenshots were posted by CEVO about a CS:GO version of de_tuscan, developed by Colin "Brute" Volrath, the original creator of the map for both 1.6 and CS:Source.

Those screenshots generated a lot of buzz in the community as de_tuscan is without a doubt one of the favourite maps of professional and casual players alike.

In this interview, Volrath talks a bit about what he is currently working on in the map and shares his view on de_toscan, a CS:GO port of the map made by two community members. He also reveals that de_tuscan is due to be released next month.

This is a snippet of what Volrath had to say:

We’ve been hinting at an imminent release and “leaking” some choice shots. A vocal majority of players are curious about the aesthetic change of de_tuscan. Is the map significantly changed from its sandy, near-tropical look? Or is it that we’ve just not seen the entire map yet?

You haven't seen the entire map, it will still have the same sandy tropical look as much as possible. The map was always meant to be a cross between a hillside vineyard / wine country themed map, and a southern Spanish / north African themed map. Releasing early screenshots is something I almost never do as I prefer to finish the entire map rather than put out early screenshots and listen to players complain or moan before really seeing the final version of the map. Be patient, it will look similar to the old version as much as it possibly can without looking stupid.

You are aware of a community created port of your map ‘de_toscan’. Give us your thoughts on how popular your map is that the community would go out of its way to reproduce it? How do you feel about this port in particular?

No comment. Just kidding, it's always flattering to see other mapmakers reproduce your work, but my thoughts on 'de_toscan' are pretty simple. They never approached me or CEVO before undertaking this map creation (well actually they did but it was after they finished it, which isn't really the same). Aesthetically I don't really care for the map, it looks a little dated and more tuned for CS:S than for CS:GO, but there are some really nice areas of the map that I thought were well done. Had the two mapmakers been professionals about wanting to recreate my work from the beginning or approached me in a mature manner I might have considered it, but going behind CEVO and myself's back pretty much tells me what level of maturity we're dealing with here.

Of course, I feel obligated to ask this one as we begin to wrap up: When’s it coming out?

Sometime in March seems realistic I'd say.

You can read the full interview by visiting CEVO's website.

March of which year? I refuse to be happy until a full date is given...

2014-02-13 22:02

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march 2015. Coming soon by your favorite map creator!

2014-02-13 22:55

hahhaha

2014-02-14 05:20

Do you really think 2015 is realistic?

2014-02-14 20:06

nice cu next year

2014-02-13 21:59

march but what year?

2014-02-13 22:01

july 2013 lmao hehee

2014-02-13 22:01

March 2020 Confirmed

2014-02-13 22:03

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+2millio

2014-02-13 22:15

Sounds like brute's an idiot. Mad because someone recreated a map he couldn't do within 2 years

2014-02-13 22:05

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this

2014-02-14 11:39

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yeap!

2014-02-14 13:36

Yeah I mean I didn't want to say anything, until I read the "this just shows the maturity level we're dealing with here" - it's a fucking map. For a game. A map that you failed to create after giving a date x times, doesn't that show his "level of maturity" as well? Not keeping his word? What's up with this shit.

2014-02-14 16:38

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not to be rude but the guy obviously has a fucking life. yeah he made a mistake promising X date because just maybe he intended to release it then but shit got in the way. like he says in the interview he got married, got new job, and had to move state. i doubt he had much time to sit down and craft a fucking cs map for which he will likely receive nothing but a few people saying "thanks" or "about time" and the rest of the internet mongs complaining that its shit compared X version and it isn't what they wanted.

2014-02-15 04:48

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He had no time to be mature and simply say "sorry guys, x and y happened, I can't finish the map" instead of being silent and having everyone be upset? The guy works within the computer industry, please don't tell me he had no time for 1,5 years to craft a post in front of a computer stating that, instead of getting worked up over nothing when finally somebody decided to create the map he failed to reproduce within a timely fashion. Oh, he also gets probably a little cash from CEVO for doing that, I doubt it's free since he has all those copyright issues with it.

2014-02-15 04:57

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Why would he say "i cant finish the map" when he still had solid intentions to finish it, as he clearly almost has. Life got in the way and people on here need to wake up and accept that that can happen. RL shit must often take priority over videogames.

2014-02-15 21:18

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Yeah it can happen, but he has released dates about the map and then just stayed silent. What you are posting, playing, doing is also a part of your life whether you realize it or not. Not a big one, but still - I posted it somewhere down below. Why would he say it? Because people were waiting for it since forever, posts were getting written on CS websites (and he plays MM, don't tell me he doesn't check it once in a while at least). It's not about not finishing it at all, just not now when he gave 2-3 or even 4 release dates. RL shit does take priority obviously, hence a simple post stating all of that would explain everything and nobody would be butthurt, but instead he comes around when people got tired of waiting and calls them immature when part of immaturity is not keeping your word when you are a well known map maker and stylize yourself as such, even doing professional level designing.

2014-02-15 22:32

passionate about releasing my map to the community is being mad, then sure.

2014-02-15 12:28

"Sometime in March seems realistic I'd say. It will all depend on how many weekends the wife fills up with social outgoings :/" omg pussy...

2014-02-13 22:05

I can't believe this dumbass is calling the toscan creator immature. He didnt go behind anyones back, he just got tired of waiting for your slow ass. Tuscan is a great map and the community deserved it a year ago.

2014-02-13 22:05

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plus fucking one. If you don't have the motivation/time for something loads of people are waiting for let someone else do it. Fuck your pride, Brute.

2014-02-13 22:22

EXACTLY. brute makes the cs community wait all this time making empty promises then goes out and insults other map creators. are you fuckin serious ?

2014-02-13 22:34

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He doesn't owe you or anyone else shit.

2014-02-14 02:57

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Actually, he does. He made a commitment to porting the map, and given the resourcefulness of the CS modding community, he implicitly agreed to do it in a timely manner. Because if he wasn't going to do it, someone else surely would have done it in his stead-- and they did. And now he's complaining? Fucking childish ass shit

2014-02-14 10:01

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its HIS fucking map. nobody else has a right to reproduce it. it doesn't matter how much people fucking want it, that doesn't make it OK to plagiarise someone else's shit you stupid yank.

2014-02-15 04:51

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thats why they called it the toscan. brute is always making empty promises i guess

2014-02-17 14:41

this

2014-02-14 14:17

actually he did go behind CEVO and my back to create this.

2014-02-15 12:29

brute mad cuz de_toscan is looking much better :DDDDDD

2014-02-13 22:05

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Exactly

2014-02-13 22:43

toscan looks awfull tbh from a mapmaker standpoint

2014-02-14 01:47

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yep.

2014-02-15 12:29

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how mature are you ? you are insulting them yourself

2014-02-17 14:42

March.... he didn't say the year again

2014-02-13 22:05

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March 2020 after Volvo released 3 other CS and they finished CSP.

2014-02-14 12:37

they should focus at new anti-cheat, nobody give a fck about map that will be not playable cuz of those fcking cheating nubs

2014-02-13 22:06

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Who is "they" cevo isnt working on this map so you just sound like an idiot

2014-02-13 23:03

de_toscan looks cleaner and more playable competitively

2014-02-13 22:11

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how can you say that when you haven't seen the new tuscan yet...

2014-02-15 14:15

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**based on the images that I've seen

2014-02-15 17:57

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Well it can change A LOT in 2months

2014-02-15 19:59

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I appreciate that, my statement was with regards to how it looks at the moment.

2014-02-16 11:32

Talks about being unprofessional? Are you shitting me? Unprofessional is saying you'd have a playable version of the maps AT LEAST two separate occasions, if not more. A professional would've said, "I do not have a map ready nor do I foresee one to be ready in the next few years." Instead of giving the community bullshit dates like 'next july!' Fuck off with the 'unprofessional' rant.

2014-02-13 22:13

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This guy is taking way to long, its like promod, by the time it comes out nobody is gonna give a fuck. Which is why somebody ripped off his idea, they got tired of waiting.

2014-02-13 22:18

why do we even need this shitty version of de_tuscan when we already have de_toscan

2014-02-13 22:13

looks awful.

2014-02-13 22:16

They created a map because the demand was there and they were willing to put in the hours. Thats not immaturity...that's supporting the community.

2014-02-13 22:20

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Judging how the map looks, no, they didn't put the hours at all

2014-02-13 22:39

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Probably not that many hours, but it took an experienced map maker (he's been making maps for over 12 years now) 2 years to bring SCREENSHOTS to the community? That's pretty fuckin sad.

2014-02-13 23:06

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I suppose he has a thing called life

2014-02-13 23:13

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That would be understandable, but it was the fact that he would give little bits of info every now and then, like saying, "due for a July release", getting the community all hyped, only to fuck us.

2014-02-13 23:22

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Also, it's a fact that de_tuscan isn't even a necessary map at the moment. The same way it was unnecessary two years ago In fact, you wouldn't even be talking about it if not for the interview

2014-02-13 23:35

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It's the favourite map of many people, and although the general feeling is "fuck brute", I think people are still excited that the map might get released next month. However, going on brute's past, it probably won't get released, and that is just incredibly scummy by him. Fucking the community once again.

2014-02-13 23:42

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There's no date so things can be postponed I guess. As long as he won't work on the map for 7 years like some "projects", it will get released at some point

2014-02-13 23:56

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it may not be a date, but it is a month. He's named release months before, so...

2014-02-14 00:00

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The previous month wasn't enough realistic

2014-02-14 00:13

We wouldn't have to since de_toscan is out....

2014-02-14 08:41

what kind of response is that.. He's had a life and managed to release a TON of maps in the past.. It should NEVER take two years to make a beta version of ONE map. That's absurd and you know it. Especially since he has the experience. I don't know if you're just trying to force yourself to play devil's advocate, but at least come up with a decent response..

2014-02-13 23:25

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yes a TON of maps in the past when i wasn't working a full-time job, getting married, moving across the country. is the community seriously this out of touch with reality? life happens. you do also realize that creating a CS:GO map takes a very long time compared to previous games, yes?

2014-02-15 12:22

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Stop trying to defend yourself and admit that 1.5+ years for a map that you already made is absurd.. You should've at least said RELEASE DATE TBA. Instead of blindly (especially when getting married, moving around the country, etc ISN'T some random and absolutely spontaneous event..) You were consistently being unprofessional about tuscan and that's a plain fact.

2014-02-15 21:11

He can do what he wants with his life. I don't care if he ever makes a map again. But if he wants to call community map makers who are actually creating maps immature then he makes himself a very easy target.

2014-02-14 03:55

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Someone else taking credit for your map without even being reached about it isn't the most professional approach either

2014-02-14 13:37

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They never took any credit for making the map, stop bullshitting.

2014-02-14 18:08

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+1 "After waiting for one and a half years on de_tuscan by Brutesmaps, we decided to create one of our own based on both the source and 1.6 version." That's not taking credit. They clearly say who the originator was

2014-02-14 19:55

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yes after finishing the map, a simple nod after the fact isn't the same as contacting the creator ahead of time.

2014-02-15 12:20

actually they did, and tried to get valve to pick it up, so yes it is called "taking credit"

2014-02-15 12:20

toscan all the way!!!

2014-02-13 22:28

I hope we end up playing de_toscan, lost my respect to that stupid attitude

2014-02-13 22:31

I don't believe his wife doesn't allow him to make a map for a fucking year. Hope de_toscan will be the choice of all leagues.

2014-02-13 22:32

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where in the interview was that said? it was a joking comment that the CS:GO community took serious for some weird reason.

2014-02-15 12:19

damn this guy takes forever to make a map...

2014-02-13 22:37

Miao =^.^=

2014-02-13 22:37

More Talk only? hahhahaha

2014-02-13 22:37

not to say that i have any idea about map making, never did any mapmaking myself, but is it REALLY that much work that it has to take this long ?? and if this guy really didnt have the time to do it, why not let some other good map maker make it for him instead..

2014-02-13 22:39

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No it isn't. And ESPECIALLY for him, who's had YEARS of experience with making specifically COMPETITIVE maps shouldn't have been taking this long. It's like if a math major forgot how to derive all of a sudden.

2014-02-13 23:04

in march "Hey guys i thought about finishing and releasing de_tuscan but actually i thought it would be a much better idea to start recreating de_russka. de_tuscan will be put on hold and may come out ;) de_russka coming july 2014. my wife and i will drink much alcohol with our friends, go on hltv and laugh at all the comments under this post in the near future"

2014-02-13 22:42

hes right pls release now

2014-02-13 22:47

haha he is mad cuz 2 guys simply got tired of all his bullshit release dates and made a really good looking map instead of waiting for his version :DDDD

2014-02-13 22:48

Seriously? Brute cmon mirage and tuscan should have been already done in release date of the game. If you are not able to do your job someone else replace you. By the release of toscan you were fired by the community for your empty promises. Take your defeat like a man...

2014-02-13 23:01

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i never created mirage.

2014-02-15 12:18

He sounds like a cocky person or is it just me?

2014-02-13 23:01

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Not just you, only seen him say a few things here or there but i kind of hate him.

2014-02-13 23:19

idd,for a map creator on counter stirke for sure he has his ego high AHAHA

2014-02-13 23:49

this is so awkward talking about maturity -.-

2014-02-13 23:07

nice bullshit words

2014-02-13 23:13

who

2014-02-13 23:15

Sometime in March 2016-2018

2014-02-13 23:28

Plot twist : He got mad at HLTV comments, release date postponed to March 2045.

2014-02-13 23:28

hahahaha

2014-02-13 23:36

T0SCANNNNNNNNNNN

2014-02-13 23:36

I don't get this. "... there are some really nice areas of the map that I thought were well done." Okay, so he thinks the map is a faithful recreation. "Had the two mapmakers been professionals about wanting to recreate my work from the beginning or approached me in a mature manner I might have considered it, but going behind CEVO and myself's back pretty much tells me what level of maturity we're dealing with here." ...But he didn't want said recreation being made in the first place? Does he like the map, but not the map creators? I don't get it.

2014-02-13 23:37

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"Aesthetically I don't really care for the map, it looks a little dated and more tuned for CS:S than for CS:GO" He doesn't care, but the map looks more css, which seems bad.

2014-02-14 10:36

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atleast de_toscan has a date

2014-02-17 15:22

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I answered his question. I don't doubt your point.

2014-02-17 15:44

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yeah was just responding on that quote actually =D

2014-02-17 16:44

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Yeah, thats right :D

2014-02-17 17:05

Seems to me that he is overreacting. Furthermore he only clearifies that he "might" have considered it if they would have approached him in the beginning. I don't care much for this guy, seems he is more focused on having the rights than actually do something good for the community. In comparison that's exactly what the other mapmakers did, without taking a dime for it. This is also an interview were Mr. Volrath have the possibility to take the "highroad", but he grabs the opportunity to have a go at the other mapmakers. Tells me a whole lot about the person.

2014-02-14 10:47

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Yeah... the comments on this post really aren't painting a very pretty picture of Brute, are they? Maybe he should've just given up after making the original de_tuscan and let his legacy live on.

2014-02-15 05:32

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or maybe i should just finish "de_tuscan" so i can get started on another map?

2014-02-15 12:16

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you could just finish it indeed. oh wait

2014-02-17 15:24

having passion for something you created has nothing to do with "rights" - you want to see your own creation through to the end, and not have someone else finish your work for you, especially when you don't even agree with how it was handled professionally.

2014-02-15 12:16

i was being nice and complimenting some of the choices made on the map, nothing wrong with giving praise where praise is due. still doesn't make their stealing the map decision right.

2014-02-15 12:17

brute kind of comes off as an asshole in this... he didn't care to communicate why he never remade tuscan, and when someone did remake tuscan for the community without communicating with HIM they are immature because of it? not to mention tuscan was only ever made to get around a CPL copyright in the first place

2014-02-13 23:52

brute mature and professional 2+ years for 1 map seems legit

2014-02-13 23:53

don't know what to say. but how about a finally!? :)

2014-02-13 23:56

We made de_toscan for ourselves. We just wanted to be able to mix and gather on it with friends. We got some good feedback and started improving it. After that we uploaded it it to the workshop. Once it got to the crowd's attention and it got popular we explored the possibilities. After more feedback we started adding improvements and bug fixes. You cant blame us for making the map without your permission, since we never needed it in the first place. Once we did, we obviously asked you for it. We even offered you a good share may it get accepted in a operation. It feels like our attempt woke brute up. That's all i gotta say. PS: We never promoted the map, it just got big after we uploaded it to the workshop.

2014-02-14 00:11

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Brutes a stain, don't take any offense to his words. How someone can have the audacity to call another immature and unprofessional after lying to a community for 2 years is beyond me. Then to come across sounding like he is doing us a favour.. What a jerk. Oh thanks for adding in the part about your wife and your ever exciting social life brute! You're a mad dog bro. Go take a long walk off a short pier. You're not wanted here.

2014-02-14 00:54

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It's great to see so many people supporting all of the previously created maps over the years. Thanks for your support!

2014-02-15 12:13

2014-02-14 00:56

You did a great fuckin service for the community. Brute is just an arrogant piece of shit who VERY CLEARLY thinks the world revolves solely around him. He's the one who brought not one, but two separate release dates which have LONG since passed without him releasing the map still. How can ever call someone out on being unprofessional. More people need to see your post by the way..

2014-02-14 05:38

Thank you for your time and effort in helping the community. Fuck brute.

2014-02-14 07:58

We should all boycott Brute just because he's an idiot.

2014-02-14 10:35

You guys did great job. Cant wait to see your map in next operation!

2014-02-14 15:55

2014-02-14 21:55

Your attempt didn't wake anyone up. It's called my personal life finally settled down and I was finally able to get back to work on de_tuscan.

2014-02-15 11:52

and it only got "big" because of it being "tuscan" - so other than that, it wouldn't have gone anywhere, and you know it.

2014-02-15 12:14

March 2014 is the new December 2015

2014-02-14 00:19

Sometime in March™

2014-02-14 00:20

Better a completed map then valve updating it every month in my opinion. So take your time brute

2014-02-14 00:25

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better update a map then an aug

2014-02-14 14:04

Two community members create a version of your map because you are too lazy to do it yourself as you promised. I believe coming out with multiple release dates and failing time and time again to even update the community on current happenings is the definition of being immature and unprofessional you complete hypocrite. Actually laughable that you could even say that in a statement.

2014-02-14 00:44

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well said

2014-02-14 00:56

^ this

2014-02-14 00:57

2014-02-14 03:43

The thing I don't get is that if he couldn't make them, why not just say TBA? The fact that he actually projected release dates in the past just shows how unprofessional he is, much less the fact he called out community members who actually try to further this game.

2014-02-14 05:47

or the fact that my personal life (had you read the full interview and not just an excerpt) got in the way. i know it's tough for the cs community to understand, but life does happen and one day it will happen to you too.

2014-02-15 12:11

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You act like you've been away from the computer for 2 years experiencing this massive thing called life, with all of us being massive nerds sitting here 24/7 doing nothing productive with ourselves besides playing Counter-Strike. You work(worked?) within the IT industry from what I recall, please don't tell me you've had no time to simply craft a post saying "sorry, life got in the way I cannot finish the map now". I already stated that above, but you seem to have missed it or you know I was right, so you didn't respond. I, as well as all of us have a life - creating that map was a little part of your life whether you want it or not, you made it a part of your life promising dates and whatnot. When your "other life" (???) got in the way, why did you not simply make a post stating all of that, and just saying it's not going to happen right now when you knew everybody was waiting for you?

2014-02-15 18:58

I'd rather not communicate with a hypocritical egotist.

2014-02-15 21:16

March? So sometime between now and the next 7 years?

2014-02-14 00:56

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It's coming out right after the next promod release

2014-02-14 14:22

Brute do us all a favor and make a new map, and then let someone else recreate russka. Cuz if you remake it it'll take another 2 fucking years you chump.

2014-02-14 01:00

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thanks for the support!

2014-02-15 12:10

Have I woken up in 2012?

2014-02-14 01:53

With this attitude, I wish Valve considers de_toscan as one of the maps for tourneys.

2014-02-14 02:10

Wow, what a way to shit on the community. I'm positive that if he explained wife that he needs to finish the map she would accept it. Fucking lying piece of shit.

2014-02-14 02:16

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she's well aware my man, delicate balance of work/life

2014-02-15 12:10

Guy seems like an absolute cock. What an ego I'll play his map because I lovedddddddddd tuscan in Source.

2014-02-14 02:30

removed my post for what saying... boycott de_tuscan de_toscan FTW... this guy doesn't care about the community .. gj whichever admin

2014-02-14 02:44

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We both know you didn't only ask for that boycott. I am fine with criticism as long as it does not end up in insults. Thank you.

2014-02-14 02:57

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lol +1 my bad

2014-02-14 02:59

and yet here i am making "de_tuscan" for the community, replying to everyone's comments, and doing my best to now keep people up to date on what is going on. yep, don't care at all about this community.

2014-02-15 12:08

Comments in this thread are atrocious. Why am i even surprised, i hope he decides to never release it just to fuck with you all.

2014-02-14 03:00

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Then we can play toscan, and the egotistical moron won't get the praise he clearly craves.

2014-02-14 03:17

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Yay lets play a cs1.6 looking map on a 2012 game so we never see it get picked up in competition. Typical hltv comment...

2014-02-15 14:29

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It clearly looks like a 1.6 map.... Mong.

2014-02-15 21:15

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I was exagerating a bit. Not everybody can grasp that, I should have known that, sorry :) Let me rephrase it :Yay lets play a 2008 css looking map on a 2012 game so we never see it get picked up in competition.

2014-02-15 23:10

Who cares if he doesn't? Rather play toscan.

2014-02-14 03:21

He called 2 community members that dedicated their own time to supply the community with the map they have wanted, after he himself ignored the community for 2 years, and you blame the community for defending the toscan creators?

2014-02-14 14:24

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because they didn't do anything outside of just ripping the CS:S version and re-texturing it, and calling it "their work". That's why it's unprofessional.

2014-02-15 12:07

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and release unrealistic time estimates and not keeping the community updated on progress isn't? I went though a couple months of constantly checking your facebook page for updates, so hopefully you can understand my frustration. Obviously you have a life and get distracted, but you could have atleast kept the community updated. Also, what they are doing isn't too far fetched from what you did with cpl_mill

2014-02-15 13:54

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+1 The guy is so delusional and has his head so high up in the clouds.. Such a shame. The fact that they made a map that everyone wanted to play is more than enough to say they already did 10x for the CSGO community than you did. until you release at least a beta version of the map, stfu brute.

2014-02-15 21:26

Hopefully it comes out in the next operation

2014-02-14 04:15

Dear Mrs. Brute, Pls let your husband finish the map so one day a bunch of gamers wouldnt come to your house and stroke you both to death while you are asleep. Thx.

2014-02-14 05:29

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lol

2014-02-15 12:07

massive douche

2014-02-14 05:33

READ #90 PLEASE.

2014-02-14 05:38

He could releae a beta and update it week by week through workshop. Oh sorry there is no map just some shitty photoshop pics and lies. Other can make a whole game until this time.

2014-02-14 06:27

iLOL'd It will all depend on how many weekends the wife fills up with social outgoings :/ i think she needs to understand that its not just a couple of geeks who want this map completed, its thousands of them

2014-02-14 06:49

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did you read the full interview? He even says that he has been playing MM "quite a bit as of late".. so he has time to play, but not finish the map. This guy is a liar and a complete failure.

2014-02-14 14:56

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@qwedsa - so do you work 120 hours a week? Are we as people not allowed to play any games or do anything enjoyable to take a break from doing work? Playing CS:GO simply means I stay in touch with the game and the community. Nothing more.

2014-02-15 11:55

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I've worked for 90 hours a week myself before, never beyond that. Of course you are, do as pleased, it's your life. But expect to get the same disrespect back like we did. You kinda have a responsibility when making statements, gotta prove you're a man of your words, but your words were empty. We, the community, understand that one doesn't always have the time for "gaming", but at least come out and announce it, don't act like a jerk, nobody likes jerks. Take the time you need, because I love tuscan and would hate to see it unfinished. But no false promises this time.

2014-02-15 14:17

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2014-02-15 21:35

And "quite a bit as of late" = like less than 2-4 hours week which is next to nothing.

2014-02-15 12:06

Patience my young padawans!

2014-02-14 08:14

So to sum this up: This guy states he has a playable version of the map on multiple occasions, then after for god knows what reason he didn't release it another guy comes and creates de_toscan which may look a bit ugly but it does it's job. Now Brute - after making false promises to a 100k community more than 2 times - calls him unprofessional and acts like a little kid who had his candy taken away. Dear Brute. Look into the mirror please.

2014-02-14 09:05

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this.

2014-02-14 09:17

Making a false promise because life got in the way, and blatantly stealing someone else's hard work so you can profit it from it are 100% completely different things.

2014-02-15 12:05

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cpl_mill

2014-02-17 15:44

"It will all depend on how many weekends the wife fills up with social outgoings" I KNOW THE FEELING.

2014-02-14 09:58

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you do know that this was complete bullshit? Have you been playing any Counter-Strike lately? The game is changing in leaps and bounds and at rapid pace. I play matchmaking quite a bit as of late. Instead of playing MM go finish the map !?!

2014-02-14 14:53

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You don't create a map for a game without playing it first?

2014-02-14 20:23

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Would sound as an obstruction if not the reason that this ain't the first time he touches GO, is it now? We don't need people like brute in this community. What we need are people taking initiative and are willing to help the community working together with us.

2014-02-15 05:21

Why is he even playing MM when life got in his way for the last two years is what I'm asking.

2014-02-15 18:59

lol thanks, i know no one here understands that comment, but it's nice to hear someone understands where i'm coming from. all part of growing up.

2014-02-15 12:04

What a retard. CEVO are to blame for letting him take as long as he wants to create a map, just get rid of him and use de_toscan.

2014-02-14 10:32

It's kinda hilarious how dumb people are on this website. Brute called the people that ported tuscan immature because they didn't contact him or CEVO before doing so. He never said it was immature to port it. If anything he said it was flattering that people wanted to copy his work.

2014-02-14 10:57

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I dont know what is more immature. Being a liar for 2 years making false promises and excuses. Why would anyone would even want to contact such a retard before doing so ?

2014-02-14 11:42

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If you read the interview instead of the parts of the interview that were pasted you'd know why he didn't finish the map. Why anyone would want to contact him? Because otherwise the port of the map could never be used in official tournaments. It's HIS map. I can quote him again why you can't use toscan in official maps "Well I can rewind the clock a bit on this one. 'de_tuscan' is a map that was created to circumvent the previous version of the map known as 'de_cpl_mill' due to the CPL (Cyber-Professional League), and their map restrictions on letting any other league use their copyrighted map (or face paying a royalty fee)." Here's the relevant part of the interview to why he didn't release his map. He doesn't owe anyone shit honestly, being mad at him his childish. " I prefer to not really discuss my personal life on the internet, but all I can say is between getting married earlier this year, and moving from Maryland to California for a new job opportunity, there just wasn't any time to work on 'de_tuscan'. Could I have relayed this to the community? I guess, but it's honestly none of their business when it's of a personal nature. Those closest to me know all of the details and have been jubilant and elated for the new opportunity that came about, and that's all that needs to be said."

2014-02-14 12:53

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His map is tuscan not toscan. Its only a coincidence that it looks almost the same as tuscan. If he dont wanna prefer to discuss a personal life and how a one map takes him 2 years to finish. Thats okay. But then he cant expect community to believe him or wait forever. In that case he cant call others immature. He was more than immature when he lied multiple times. Yes maybe he has a tough life. Not enough time or whatever. In that case he should give it to someone who isnt so unable as him. Or when anyone else starts to create a similar map (toscan) he cant say a single word after he showed us how much capable he is.

2014-02-14 13:14

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Toscan is a port right rip off from tuscan. Do you know why the whole map layout besides the basics of it was changed from cpl mill to tuscan? Because of copy rights. It's his project. All his, similar to how Half Life is Valves project, they can take however long they want to finish it and none can do crap about it. That he couldn't finish the map on time isn't weird, the only thing more you could ask of him is to come out and say he isn't going to make the date. But even if he did that people still would be mad at him which is why Valve doesn't even come out with a date for HL3. The masses are immature and don't have real life commitments like others do, he has a real life and a job besides making maps. People need to understand that his job isn't to make maps, he doesn't get a salary by CEVO or Valve to make maps for them. He has all the rights in the world to call those people immature because what they did was basically steal his project. They're thieves, took something he did and published it. That's not the mature thing to do. If they would of asked for his permission to port it I don't think he would of minded. Toscan isn't a similar map, it's just straight up bad copy paste work.

2014-02-14 16:54

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Thanks for the support Lucas, I know it's hard to believe that real life can get in the way sometimes, whether it's over 6 months, or two years, shit happens.

2014-02-15 12:02

2014-02-15 12:36

They didn't even need to contact him.

2014-02-14 15:40

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They did if they wanted it to be an official map that can be used in tournaments. And you know, for common decency.

2014-02-14 16:47

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No they didn't since their map is called toscan and not tuscan. It's basically a different map.

2014-02-14 18:00

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It's not. If it looks similar you can't use it. You can't just change a letter and think all copy rights are off. Look at tuscan vs cpl mill, why didn't they just change it to clp_mill? Because it wouldn't work.

2014-02-14 18:06

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#190

2014-02-14 18:11

I honestly didn't think my opinion of the CS community in general could get any lower, but reading the comments here and on reddit about this interview is blowing my mind. I can't believe how incredibly immature this community is proving to be.

2014-02-14 20:41

To bad. I really want to play this map.

2014-02-14 11:01

How to become the most hated person on hltv.org in three sentences...

2014-02-14 12:09

Not enough news today? it was published yesterday ;>

2014-02-14 12:19

If it takes that long then I'm not sure if it really is going to be just same map ported to GO.

2014-02-14 12:51

de_tuscan is the new duke nukem forever

2014-02-14 13:17

brute needs to gtfo and continue where he is da king in.. doing nothing fucking annoying guy YES MAD

2014-02-14 13:19

What an ass lol :D

2014-02-14 13:56

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My passion for something I've created and want to see it released for the CS:GO community makes me an "ass"? The map was created by me and I'd like to see it through to the end.

2014-02-15 12:01

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I said that because of the way you react and not about your reasons. But we all know that if it wassnt for de_toscan we would've never seen de_tuscan in csgo (not that it is sure now...).

2014-02-15 19:45

someone plz port de_contra

2014-02-14 13:59

His reaction towards toscan is such a joke. The only reason why they made toscan in the first place is because tuscan is taking forever. Probably started out as just a random proof of concept and only started getting serious when it took even longer for tuscan to come out. The only interesting thing here is the human aspect of somebody continuing to make promises he can't keep.

2014-02-14 16:50

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Actually they decompiled my CSS version of "de_tuscan", slapped on some new textures, and called it "de_toscan". So sorry to say there was no "concepting". It was a blatant ripoff.

2014-02-15 11:59

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Thats why I said probably, it was just a speculation. Doesnt change my point. Do note I'm not attempting to attack or offend anyone. Just plainly looking at the process of tuscan and giving opinion.

2014-02-19 00:11

Afaik there was no need what so ever to contact Brute about the making of de_toscan. Lets say you make an exact copy of the 'Nike Air Max Classic' shoe and you name it 'Mike Ayr Mex Classik' without using the Nike logo or anything else that has copyrights belonging to Nike, they can not do anything about it. In other words, if none of the textures and models created especially for de_tuscan (by Brute or CEVO) were used for the making of de_toscan by SPiNM and he changed the name (as he obviously did), Valve should have no legal issues with implementing this map in the next Operation without obtaining the copyrights from CEVO and/or Brute. This being said, you would need the exact copyright documents of de_tuscan to be sure that the actual map build or model and/or layout was not copyrighted as well. I contacted legal aid to help SPiNM out and apparently CEVO and/or Brute are obliged to hand over these documents on request. Sadly both Brute and CEVO completely ignored this request which tells me that they probably have no chance at making a legal complaint against the creators of de_toscan even if they wanted to. The thing is, the creators (SPiNM and for a small part speXhion) of de_toscan have absolutely no desire to make money out of it. They just want to play the game and play their map. Going through all this trouble is unwanted and they just decided to let it be. Anyway I would vote for a boycott of de_tuscan if there would be a poll or something. Some of the comments here state making a map like this is not a lot of work... I can tell you it is (ofc in TWO years you can finish multiple maps, rebuild your own house, go on vacation with your wife for a few months and you would still have time to play MM). SPiNM has been working on it in his spare time for a couple of hours every night for a few weeks. Getting to know the program, planning, looking for the right textures, rebuilding literally everything when you have made a small mistake etc.etc. you will have to put in at least a workweek.

2014-02-14 17:06

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2014-02-14 17:45

+1 BOYCOTT!

2014-02-14 17:47

"Lets say you make an exact copy of the 'Nike Air Max Classic' shoe and you name it 'Mike Ayr Mex Classik' without using the Nike logo or anything else that has copyrights belonging to Nike, they can not do anything about it." Lmao you sure know what you're talking about there...

2014-02-15 14:34

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well build argument and some decent constructive criticism. try again when you are capable of self-reflection.

2014-02-15 15:04

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No need to put in big arguments when such non sense is said. You can't just copy a product and change the name to make it "copyright proof", that's called counterfeit and it's 100% illegal everywhere in the world. Saying Nike couldn't do anything against your "Mike Ayr Mex Classik" is simply the opposite of the truth as the autorities fight (and win) against counterfeiters on a daily basis. If you don't believe me, try to go to Morocco and buy some counterfeit clothes. Now try to fly back to your country with them in your bags, you have no chance to get through customs with some "Mike Ayr Mex Classik" shoes dude. Sorry to wake you up from your fantasy dream bro

2014-02-15 15:28

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newmediarights.org/business_models/artis.. counterfeit = when you make an exact copy of the product including the name and the logo and pass it off as being the real thing like this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Counterfeit_d.. If you change the name and the logo you can use the design in any way you like.

2014-02-15 16:19

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"counterfeit = when you make an exact copy of the product including the name and the logo and pass it off as being the real thing like this:" No, no and no. You got it all wrong. Counterfeit is not necessarily about making the exact copy of something or even taking a name or a logo, counterfeit means to IMITATE something that already exists and thats protected by copyright. So when you call your shoes "Mike Ayr Mex Classik", you obviously want to imitate the "Nike Air Max Classic", that's why you don't have the right to do it. Obviously if you completely change the name and the logo of a t-shirt for example, then it's fine (but not changing only a few letters in the name). Unless the design is very specific and also protected by copyright.

2014-02-15 17:04

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copy and imitate are synonyms so you are basically just repeating what I said in other words. Like i said, you might have a valid point concerning the name, they probably should have changed it to something completely different. If you would have red the article I linked you would have known designs can not be copyrighted since it would set boundaries to the publics creativity.

2014-02-15 21:03

Btw Toscan is 100% counterfeit. It's a poor quality recreation of an existing product, without even changing anything of this product except one letter its name. If you think that's legit, then why did valve didn't even consider it for one of their operation?

2014-02-15 15:32

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only the design was used, none of the textures created especially for tuscan. You might have a valid point concerning the name, it probably should not be that similar to tuscan. I am not a student of the law or a lawyer (clearly you aren't any of those either) so that's why I tend to start my arguments with 'afaik' or 'i believe'. You should try it sometime, could save you embarrassing arguments. How do you know Valve didn't even consider it? I know ESEA did use it and perhaps some other leagues as well.

2014-02-15 16:26

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Oh really they didn't take 2004 textures and put them on a 2012 game? Thx Sherlock, really helpful here. They took the same "atmosphere" (the south spanish/north african thing brute talked about), same paths, and almost the same name. And all of those things are protected by copyright If they really wanted to make it "copyright proof" they had to find a new name, create a new layout of the paths, and completely change the design and atmosphere of it. And I know Valve didn't consider it because they're simply not dumb. They're really careful with copyright infringement: They bought de_mirage's rights to 3 guys because they didn't really know who created it in the begining. They didn't want to put fy_poolday in their Bravo operation because the guy who ported it to csgo couldn't reach to the original designer of the map. Now after that, you think they would take the risk to take toscan in their operation because 2 clowns who just ported a map from css changed one letter in the name? (especially when brutes seems to know very well how copyright laws work, and has said multiple times nobody should port HIS map and that he'll make it himself). I don't think they could be sued, but brutes would for sure take the two clowns to court, and that would create some drama and make Valve look bad. And maybe ESEA used it (not in his league tho) but ESEA doesn't need to acquire the rights to put in in their mappool. Valve does, as they're the creators of the game. (thats why cache isn't in their map rotation yet, and only appears in the "payback operations"

2014-02-15 17:32

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"because 2 clowns who just ported a map" plzcdn.com/upload/72cfd8e9bc7fa949d593d1..

2014-02-15 17:47

Read the article in #265, read #278 atmospheres, designs, or layouts can not be copyrighted, only patterns (or textures in this case), logos and names. cpl_mill has pretty much the same pathways as tuscan you know. You are merely making up things and state them as facts to strengthen your argument. Where do you get your information on what aspects of de_tuscan have copyrights? You should start backing up your statements with actual proof if you want to be taken seriously. Start using sources and link them, you should have learned this in school. You say Brute seems to know very well how copyright laws work, please show me one quote (with source) that gave you this idea. The fact he is responding to numerous flames and whines but not to the most interesting discussion on this page says it all. You know being sued IS taking someone to court right? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuit just read the first few sentences, Brute would just throw away a lot of money for nothing. No loss occured for him so no harm done. "And maybe ESEA used it (not in his league tho) but ESEA doesn't need to acquire the rights to put in in their mappool. Valve does, as they're the creators of the game. (thats why cache isn't in their map rotation yet, and only appears in the "payback operations"" Again completely made up without any source to back it up and even contradicting yourself. They implemented cache into their game, the fact that they put another name on the mappool does not mean a thing. Afaik de_toscan has been build from the ground up. You can not put copyrights on dimensions.

2014-02-15 21:37

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" cpl_mill has pretty much the same pathways as tuscan you know." Yeah PRETTY MUCH. Those are the key words here ;) . I don't know if you remember cpl_mill, but the way these two maps are played is entirely different. That's why CEVO was never bothered by the CPL, they changed it enough to make it "copyright proof" "Where do you get your information on what aspects of de_tuscan have copyrights?" It was a comment from him a few weeks ago in one of the many insult threads we've seen on here. " You should start backing up your statements with actual proof if you want to be taken seriously. Start using sources and link them, you should have learned this in school." I really cba to find a source for that comment tbh. I would have to check all his messages and I have other things to do... Other than that, I'm just stating law facts here. When you say something like "Nike couldn't do anything against a "Mike Ayr Mex Classik" counterfeit shoe", I REALLY don't need any source to tell you that it's 100% wrong. Anybody with some basic law notions (not even a law degree or anything) could tell you the same thing. "You say Brute seems to know very well how copyright laws work, please show me one quote (with source) that gave you this idea" Well the fact that he's worked on this matter before, having to inspire his work from cpl_mill without taking too much from it so he couldn't be sued for stealing someone else's work. Maybe he doesn't know THAT much, but he sure knows more than enough to be aware that if the two guys had made money off their toscan, he could have sued them. " You know being sued IS taking someone to court right? " Uh yeah?? I didn't want to repeat myself so i used a synonym instead of suing. WTF xd " just read the first few sentences, Brute would just throw away a lot of money for nothing. No loss occured for him so no harm done." NO HARM DONE? Are you serious? You know how much money he's about to make when his map gets picked up for the next Operation? Lmao. You know how much money the two guys would have made off brute's back if valve had decided to implement their toscan into the next operation? "They implemented cache into their game, the fact that they put another name on the mappool does not mean a thing." NOT AT ALL?? Do you see Cache in valve's mappool at EMS Katowice right now? Can you play it in MM? No you can't. Why? Because valve doesn't have any rights on the map. The operation thing was just temporary, fmpone and volcano still have all the rights on their map and if they wan't to reject valve for the next operation, then valve can't do anything about it. They won't reject them obviously, since they wouldn't get the ton of money that comes with those operations. I don't think you understand the point of those payback operations... " Afaik de_toscan has been build from the ground up. You can not put copyrights on dimensions." Sure... What would be the point of putting copyright on a map then?? Just copyright the name of it? Come on...

2014-02-15 23:25

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" I don't think they could be sued, but brutes would for sure take the two clowns to court " " You know being sued IS taking someone to court right? " "Uh yeah?? I didn't want to repeat myself so i used a synonym instead of suing. WTF xd" things like this just make you look like a moron again no proof, no sources its just gibberish. you don't even care to read my sources or you don't understand them. Your arguments either hypothetical or invalid cause unproven. No use in continuing a discussion where made up 'facts' are randomly thrown my way. peace

2014-02-16 00:48

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How does that make me look like a morron you stupid fuck? I don't think THEY (meaning valve) could be sued by brute but he could sue the 2 guys. Tell me what are the words that you don't understand there Tardinho??? Learn fuckin english srsly, it'll help you a lot in those adult debates. And don't tell me that it makes me look like a morron when in fact it's just you not being able to read basic english And yeah, I've given no sources for my "common knowledge" facts because I don't need to. Your first argument was: ""Nike couldn't do anything against a "Mike Ayr Mex Classik" counterfeit shoe". I've showed you that it was wrong, but it's so obvious to me that I didn't even think about giving some source to it. (btw I'd rather not give anything than basing my argumentation on a Wikipedia article lmfao) You on the other hand have provided some very unrelated sources . Your first article was pretty interesting but totally out of point since fashion designing and videogame-mapmaking are totally different subjects and the copyright laws that apply on one don't necessarily apply on the other. Hell I answered to all this non sense simply to see a guy who has no more answers say "uhh duhh you don't have any sources lol". Why the fuck would I need sources when I'm just stating known facts??? Except for the comment where brute said what aspect of his map had copyrights, but it would take hours so I'm just leaving it there. I told you why you were wrong to think there would be "no harm" done to brute and a lawsuit wouldn't lead to a sentence, I've told you why you were wrong on de_cache and why Valve didn't own copyrights on this map (yet), I've told you why Valve wouldn't consider implementing toscan to one of their operations etc. You're so far from knowing all of those things I'm saying that I'm actually wondering if you've been following any CS news in the past 2 years. Have you?

2014-02-16 01:15

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sherlock, stupid fuck, tardinho, learn fucking english "I don't think they could be sued, but brutes would for sure take the two clowns to court, and that would create some drama and make Valve look bad." "I don't think THEY (meaning valve) could be sued by brute but he could sue the 2 guys" talking to me about basic english but needs to rewrite the sentence to explain, moron it's all just gibberish, even the part where you "know" for a "fact" that using a similar name is always copright infringement. There are countless medications and drugs f.e with almost the same name and there is nothing either of the companies producing them can do about it. And even if it goes to court, these things are so often being settled outside of court that there is no way in telling when it would be too similar if you wouldnt have in depth knowlegde of copyright law which we both don't Furthermore I used shoes as an example, being fashion. That is exactly what my article related to. I only linked you wikipedia to point out the explanation of the terms. Something you clearly needed. Still no sources for all you "facts", since it is "common knowledge" or you "cba" finding them. Here is your logic: A argument being made B "lol you have no clue" A explanation asked B "no need to explain because it's non sense, but "explaining" anyway using "facts" " A sources being asked B "no need to link sources, these are known facts idiot" No I don't follow cs news as much as you apparantly do, you must find it extremely important. Maybe if you would put some time and effort in you education in stead of reading cs news you would know how to discuss things properly and with manners. You didn't "prove" anything except that you have the brain of a 16 year old with a huge temper, just like your buttbuddy Brute now go to bed kiddo

2014-02-16 02:31

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" There are countless medications and drugs f.e with almost the same name and there is nothing either of the companies producing them can do about it." Yeah because it's totally related to what we're talking about. I'd say it's almost the exact same thing :D "Here is your logic: A argument being made B "lol you have no clue" A explanation asked B "no need to explain because it's non sense, but "explaining" anyway using "facts" " A sources being asked B "no need to link sources, these are known facts idiot"" Lets play this funny game: Here's yours A argument being made B argument being countered A Can't counter the argument so asking for sources (without providing any). Another silly argument being made B Can't find any source since it would take too much time to find them (especially in english for the law related stuff). Assume the other will get that. Counters the other argument A Still can't counter the argument. Highlights the fact that B couldn't find any source for his argument. (still not providing any himself). Tries to end the debate by discrediting B NOW that was a mature game wasn't it? I'm glad you taught me :D "Furthermore I used shoes as an example, being fashion. That is exactly what my article related to." Yes and you still haven't admitted that your first statement on the "Mike" shoe was 100% bullshit. It would have saved us a lot of time ... "No I don't follow cs news as much as you apparantly do, you must find it extremely important." No I don't find it extremely important. What I find extremely important is to know what I'm talking about when I'm debating. You see, I don't like to talk about subjects that I don't master simply to admit at the end that I really have no clue and it's not my fault, I just didn't follow the news :( Thanks again for wasting my time kid. Silly me, thinking i could get something from debating with one the hltv monkeys

2014-02-16 03:08

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good comeback, using my exact words and turning them around to throw the same thing in my face. lack of knowledge, lack of creativity and a lack of personality. no need to go into your arguments anymore you have already proven to be incapable in so many ways its just laughable.

2014-02-16 10:57

Wow.. so many people cry over a map. So hilarious. That guy certainly took his time for just one map. He indeed di not spend enough time or too slow in making progress, but thats probably because he has priorities in life. Hes got a wife, fulltime jobs (making map isn't his job), and all real world priorities. He is an adult, unlike most of you who sits in front of PC all day just to play CSGO. You gotta understand that first of all. I don't know if Toscan is actually a copy-paste based off Tuscan, but if they made it without permission then thats going to be copyright violation and Brute has all rights to say that they 'steal' his project. de_toscan makers probably are like you guys, who are impatient waiting for the real Tuscan... but that doesn't mean you can remake or steal someone else's project.

2014-02-14 17:21

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It is a copy-paste. I've checked the dimensions.

2014-02-15 12:00

This guy sounds like an absolute ass.

2014-02-14 17:44

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My passion for something I've created and want to see it released for the CS:GO community makes me an "ass"? The map was created by me and I'd like to see it through to the end.

2014-02-15 12:01

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I totally agree with you. For real. The fact you even still work on it after being bashed by the community is great. I understand you to 100% percent. Hope you find the time to finish it soon. My girlfriend also drags me along stuff like that.

2014-02-15 12:19

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eh, their ranting and moaning just drives me personally to finish my work. i respond to everyone i can get to, but the trolling and moaning does get old.

2014-02-15 12:35

No, its the fact that you question maturity when all those map makers did was finish the map you couldn't do, and still haven't. They did it because the community needed it. The only questionable level of maturity is on your part for even saying that. Here's how it is: somebody else finished the map that the community needed because you took 2+ years which is normally an indication that it's probably not ever going to be finished. Simple as that. Nothing to do with maturity or professionalism on their part, they simply did what needed to be done.

2014-02-15 13:25

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#249 - actually here's how it is, somebody else never asked CEVO or myself for consent to steal someone else's work and tried to take credit and / or make money off of it by releasing it to the community. that right there, has everything to do with professionalism and maturity. simple as that.

2014-02-15 14:01

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A barking dog is often more useful than a sleeping lion.

2014-02-15 14:19

Half Life 3 will be out before this map :o

2014-02-14 20:06

tuscan :D

2014-02-15 09:32

Laughable to see people here talking about boycott. You will boycott this map for approximately 2hours and 34minutes and then you'll play only tuscan for the entire week just like anyone else

2014-02-15 14:38

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HAHAH yeah they will even pay like 10$ dollars to do it on MM

2014-02-15 20:19

As a CS player and a mapper for over 10 years I can understand all parties on this... First off people want to play the map (which is great map), this should say something to Brute.. When third party creates the map, they "steal Brutes shine", and he goes mad. But in the end, people just want to play the game, and the map. But as a mapper I understand Brutes point of view, he want to polish and finish the map as he feels like it should be. But in the end, the community with 12 year old kids with ADHD can't wait so long, thus the "remake". And by the pictures I have seen, I think Brutes version looks better (didn't play none of them in GO yet).

2014-02-15 15:37

We have a popular saying in The Netherlands: Make that the cat wise. Just red all Brutes comments, don't bother reading them it's a waste of time. Brutes comments in a nutshell: I am mature and have a huge passion for making maps for a computer game but I do boohoo when immature geeks copy my stuff. Also, they are fucking awful at mapmaking. Cs community needs to grow up, they don't have a life. This nerd doesn't give a rats ass about his so called passion, he is just worried about his online rep and tries to defend it in the most childish way possible being married and having a job doesn't make you mature, you still have the brain of a 16 year old

2014-02-15 15:41

nice news

2014-02-15 17:51

Nice, but i don't play CSGO since last patch, because i'm having big fps drops. :( If you can help me, i will award you with something from my CSGO inventory.

2014-02-15 19:42

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