What's in it for the players?

Though it's common knowledge the earnings potential for CS professionals has grown, this article sets to explain just how much, and what it means going forward.

In 2013 with CS:GO just starting to become huge with the first major held at DreamHack Winter, more than $750,000 was already paid out in prize money, with NiP grabbing the most out of anyone.

This year has made its predecessor look silly in comparison with over $1,300,000 having been on the line by the time the year draws to a close, including three major events spread from March to November.

There's practically no way 2015 will not top the ongoing year, unless Valve stops hosting majors - which is unlikely as they're very profitable to the company - which makes CS:GO's future even brighter.

Of course, the prize money is - these days - just the tip of the iceberg for the players who make most of their money via stickers, salary, streaming income and donations. Let's take a look at some of those.


The paydays have certainly grown from back then 

 

Stickeronomics, continued

I first wrote about how much money the stickers were bringing in in August, in an article called "The Stickeronomics of CS:GO." Now that the numbers are in for the most recent major, ESL One Cologne, it's been proven the success of the stickers wasn't a one-off and will likely continue going forward as long as Valve keep implementing more uses for them, such as the ESL One Cologne Pick'Em Challenge.

At EMS One Katowice, the teams in the Legends capsule - the top eight finishers from the previous major, DreamHack Winter - made roughly $18,000 per team. The Challenger capsule, composed of teams who qualified for the event, or were invited, but had not made the top eight in Jönköping - made just under half of that, though the exact sums varied slightly by region.

By simple math we see that teams were then paid out $210,000 or so from stickers for the first major that featured them. Considering the fact Valve takes two thirds from the top of the purchase price in the market - as well as their cut from each deal made in the market later on - they must have made at least $630,000 from the second major's sticker sales.

In August ESL One Cologne, the third CS:GO major, was held in Germany. Stickers were once again featured, this time with a betting competition held to increase the sales. Cologne topped Katowice with significantly more stickers sold - in fact, the numbers were boosted five-fold, with Legends capsule teams making more than six figures, up to $120,000, from the stickers, and Challengers half of it.

If teams were paid as much as, or more than, $1,3 million from the stickers, it means Valve must have pocketed more than $2,6 million. Compare that to what now seems like chump change - the $750,000 they've shelled out so far in prize money - and it's obvious these majors aren't going away anytime soon - they're essentially a license for Valve to print money.

Many already expected the sticker sales to decline for ESL One Cologne, and that once again seems to be the consensus among the eSports crowd going into DreamHack Winter. However, now that the player stickers have been introduced, it's very possible that all players cumulatively will make even more money - especially if team stickers also show up - than ever before.


What will Valve come up with next? 


Player stickers

Earlier today it was announced that Valve would introduce player specific stickers for DreamHack Winter. Aside from the huge opportunity this creates for the game's biggest names who may be able to make huge amounts of money off of their virtual signature, it also comes with certain issues that may not be a big problem in the first run, but will likely continue building up as more time goes on.

It seems obvious that the big star names, such as Christopher "⁠GeT_RiGhT⁠" Alesund, Jesper "⁠JW⁠" Wecksell and Richard "⁠shox⁠" Papillon, will see their stickers outsell those of less celebrated teammates such as Adam "⁠friberg⁠" Friberg, Markus "⁠pronax⁠" Wallsten or Fabien "⁠kioShiMa⁠" Fiey. It's only fair - fans should pay for the stickers of their favorite players, and hard work should be rewarded.

However, it does open up another discussion. If you were a player on one of the teams competing for a top eight spot, but not truly in contention of winning the whole thing, you can easily - presumably - make more money from your own personal sticker sales than playing in the tournament. That completely changes the players' incentives around.

All of a sudden it may be monetarily beneficial - as sticker money is no longer split evenly - to try to make yourself look better, even at the cost of losing a round or two. Score a very memorable highlight at the major? No way that does not correlate with sticker sales. Get three kills and fall back, or try to go for the ace? How many sticker purchases would that highlight with 100,000 views get you?

It's a very simplified version of the argument, but in a game of stars, in teams where some already struggle putting the team above themselves in priority, this is yet another incentive - as long as prize money isn't increased - that only focuses on the stars, thus leaving the sometimes underappreciated roles also underpaid in a game where most of the time players have received equal pay all across the board.


DreamHack Winter will feature player specific stickers 


More tournaments, higher prize money

It's obvious the majors will keep coming in, and it wouldn't surprise me if Valve were to announce a million dollar-plus tournament for 2015 with the way things are going for CS:GO. But even beyond what Valve does and can do for the CS:GO scene and its community, the scene is doing great - and maybe just a tad too well for things to continue as they are.

Currently there are - realistically - too many online leagues going on at once. Most top teams play on an almost daily basis, which both makes each match less exciting and important, and damages online Counter-Strike's attractiveness as a whole for the hardcore fan.

Don't get me wrong, it's great for the casual fan to be able to turn in any day of the week and see some high quality CS being played, but for the more active follower - and for both the teams and the players - there's too much going on, as proven by teams deciding to skip over online tournaments, even ones with a lot of prize money, more and more often.

There's also certain months when it seems borderline impossible for teams to even attend all tournaments - which is something that could be addressed by Valve if a proper tournament circuit was built. Past four weeks featured four tournaments for teams such as fnatic and LDLC, and though surely the players enjoy it, it's a bit too much.

Next year MLG will dabble in Counter-Strike, and with the game's seemingly ever-growing popularity it seems unlikely they will be the only new player in town in 2015. At some point someone must start organizing the events calendar in a way that allows the teams to take some breaks, put in proper practice, and not stuff the fourth quarter with tournaments every week.

With that being said, it seems likely that in 2015 - assuming different major winners, and three different majors - around three to four teams could make a reasonable living from CS in prize money alone. That's a great sign, and will certainly be a big part in making CS grow even bigger, and help more and more players dedicate more time to the game.


Majors offer big payoffs, but they aren't alone 


Stream revenue, donations

Streaming revenue has been off the hook for some other games for some years now, but in 2014 some Counter-Strike players have surfaced with reported monthly earnings of up to $10,000 from streaming alone. That means some top players can make six figures from simply streaming the games they would play anyways from home - a great incentive for more players to start streaming in the future.

Many top players with huge earnings potential, such as GeT_RiGhT and shox for example, haven't been streaming much in 2014. It could be a fair assumption that it will change in the future, and we will likely notice a trend of more and more top players, à la Jarosław "⁠pashaBiceps⁠" Jarząbkowski, spending more and more of their time streaming matches online - even official matches, as pashaBiceps has done.

Add in huge donations, of which pashaBiceps has been the most celebrated receiver, and it's very much possible to make a living from simply streaming in 2014, and it should only get better in 2015. The only problem is crowding in the sector. It doesn't exist yet, but how long can you expect some of the game's biggest superstars to ignore streaming once they realize how much money there is to be made from allowing others to see you playing the game you'd play anyways?

It's obvious the scene's number one streaming duo, RoomOnFire, is practically rolling around in cash these days, and it should also serve as motivation for other people to try to challenge Anders Blume and Auguste "Semmler" Massonnat, but they'll have a long way to go with how popular those two have become. Either way, it should bring on more competition.


pasha has probably made more money streaming than playing this year 


Issues?

Of course all the money coming in doesn't come without issues. It never does. Most recent issue that has been brought up is who gets sticker money after roster changes? It may not be as big of an issue anymore if team stickers were to cease to exist, but assuming they will still be around, the problem won't be completely wiped out.

Take dignitas for example. Giancarlo "⁠nico⁠" Arróspide helped the team, under the Copenhagen Wolves brand, qualify for EMS One Katowice. In all likelihood he probably should have been allowed to collect that sticker money, regardless of it existing then. Of course it doesn't help that dignitas essentially stole the money from the CS:GO team, but in theory it seems that nico should have been entitled to it.

What about NiP then? Obviously Robin "⁠Fifflaren⁠" Johansson helped his previous team qualify for DreamHack Winter, and essentially he should get his share of the sticker money as opposed to Mikail "⁠Maikelele⁠" Bill, who simply hopped in at the right time. There's no information on whether that's already happening to begin with, but it does bring forth an issue that needs addressing.

Certain organizations, such as dignitas and compLexity, have been extremely greedy when it comes to the sticker money. It will cost them in the long run, but this is a good chance for the young players to learn the power of contracts and how important it is to take all of these things into account when they sign the next ones. Money never comes easy.

The issue of too many tournaments was already mentioned above, and it probably doesn't need to be talked about more. The scene needs to be better organized in terms of schedule, and at some point each sponsor will realize they can't get their own tournament for the current going price, and will have to pitch in with others to form a smaller number of bigger events. It's natural evolution.

Finally, and this is the biggest issue in terms of Counter-Strike as a competitive title, is the streaming revenue. If multiple top players start making six figures from streaming alone, there's a good chance the competitive side of things may become a side thing, a way for players to stay relevant, so they can continue streaming and making bank.

There's nothing wrong with that, but the tournaments should combat that as best as they can - by trying to attain bigger prizes to make sure streaming doesn't override what CS is truly about - competition.


Fifflaren should probably get a share of NiP's DH Winter team sticker cash

 

DreamHack Winter is the next $250,000 major tournament announced, and will be held in two weeks time, on November 27-30, in Jönköping, where HLTV.org will be on-site for full coverage.

Tournaments such as ESEC Finals and ESEA Finals will be held in December, and the off-season will be cut short by MLG's initial tournament at X-Games in Aspen, CO on January 23-25.

Follow HLTV.org's @lurppis_ on Twitter.

Sweden Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill
Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill
Age:
23
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
157
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.63
Sweden Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Age:
24
Rating 1.0:
1.28
Maps played:
553
KPR:
0.85
DPR:
0.58
Peru Giancarlo 'nico' Arróspide
Giancarlo 'nico' Arróspide
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
-
Maps played:
0
KPR:
-
DPR:
-
Sweden Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
365
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.65
France Richard 'shox' Papillon
Richard 'shox' Papillon
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.19
Maps played:
388
KPR:
0.80
DPR:
0.63
Sweden Jesper 'JW' Wecksell
Jesper 'JW' Wecksell
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.13
Maps played:
394
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.67
Sweden Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Age:
26
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
537
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.60
Sweden Adam 'friberg' Friberg
Adam 'friberg' Friberg
Age:
23
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
547
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.64
Poland Jarosław 'pashaBiceps' Jarząbkowski
Jarosław 'pashaBiceps' Jarząbkowski
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.13
Maps played:
454
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.68
France Fabien 'kioShiMa' Fiey
Fabien 'kioShiMa' Fiey
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
267
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.64
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nice
2014-11-13 20:00
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Commenting 53 seconds after it's been posted - reading level = 9000.
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loled
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only fitting
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and the thread has over 2000 Words, new top 1 reader?
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Norway CyyId
New Genius? :D
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Sweden DoXeNpw
Where does all the money go? As mentioned earlier and now again,Valve is making a big profit from this game. This is great,but....I am furious that the game has not improved! I mean there are some basic issues/bugs that should have been fixed LONG LONG Time ago.As mentioned by lurppis some months ago hltv.org/news/13089-quick-csgo-improveme.. (some of the errors are fixed already.) Compare the cs:go with dota.Yes dota is bigger you might say,but does someone remember the cs 1.6 time? For Dota the developing team is much bigger and the updates/fixed comes instant.Seriously who have the will to wait for days,weeks or months before the issue is fixed??Stop milking the players and start putting some real effort in this game.the last update is to be ashamed of. Conclusion. The game needs to be much better if we want it to become big. After all if you take you need to give something back.
2014-11-13 23:47
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Tbf, Dota 2 has a lot of issues that they don't fix. Bugs that have been reported a year or two ago, and they still haven't fixed it. One bug that has been there from day 1, was just recently fixed.
2014-11-15 02:32
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Ohh realy? had no idea it was that bad..
2014-11-15 17:23
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He is from Serbia, we dont know to read :O
2014-11-14 01:24
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Don't forget writing too.
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World Heeze
waiting for dick jokes
2014-11-13 20:01
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your moms
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lurppis best articles EU!
2014-11-13 20:01
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wow nice :D
2014-11-13 20:01
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i just need to read the title to know its one of lurppis' articles
2014-11-13 20:01
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So do I
2014-11-13 20:12
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its so official and stuff
2014-11-13 20:32
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Because he's basically the only one writing opinion articles?
2014-11-14 01:13
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How can we tell its lurppis if its not anti-fiffy?
2014-11-14 01:21
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2014-11-14 07:57
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nice
2014-11-13 20:01
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tomi da best
2014-11-13 20:01
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tons of skins for vp players cos dey throw n shit yao
2014-11-13 20:01
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the cry iz rl
2014-11-14 01:01
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so cool
2014-11-13 20:01
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Wait... Lurppis wants Fifflaren to get a share from the sticker cash? Who did he steal the article from?
2014-11-13 20:02
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2014-11-13 20:06
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lurppis is a good guy k thx 4 reading
2014-11-13 20:13
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yeah it's the moment when you open your eyes & realize he actually has nothing against the guy but his performances on the server
2014-11-13 20:36
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Kappa?
2014-11-13 23:26
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+1
2014-11-14 03:39
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motar destroying the competetive scene, so sad to watch
2014-11-13 20:02
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true
2014-11-13 20:09
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France troisstacks
he's giving pros money therefore bringing them attention instead of virgins donating thousands to attention whores barely playing the game, he's giving these pro players an incentive to interact by encouraging them to stream more often, and he financially supports the pros by making sure they remain pro players instead of getting another job ikr, so sad to watch
2014-11-13 20:16
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idiot
2014-11-13 20:32
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players aren't going to start baiting each other to sell more stickers, give me a break
2014-11-13 20:05
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wat
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nice article
2014-11-13 20:07
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lurrpis sounds a lil bit envy, or is it just me?
2014-11-13 20:10
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he's always like that always
2014-11-13 20:33
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Sweden cliff_ct
The entire article was rational in my point of view. Should he address things vaguely just because he used to be a pro? Furthermore, more money into CS obviously means more money for the biggest CS journalists. So if you want to take the personal approach, regard it as a celebration.
2014-11-13 20:42
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Very nice article, thanks Lurppis
2014-11-13 20:10
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pasha the proffesional streamer hahaha
2014-11-13 20:12
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Good article Lurppis!
2014-11-13 20:12
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"RoomOnFire, is practically rolling around in cash these days" Anders after the streams finished for the day i.imgur.com/V11VMt7.gif good article though, hopefully prize pools will get bigger to match the other methods of player income.
2014-11-13 20:13
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dafaq i just read ....
2014-11-13 20:13
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think this makes the gap between the few top teams and the rest very big i think and it will be realy hard for anyone to mix in with them.
2014-11-13 20:14
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Serbia FREb
At first thought that the article was about throwing , correct me if I missed a section ( no flamerino ).
2014-11-13 20:14
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fiffy :(
2014-11-13 20:16
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"pasha has probably made more money streaming than playing this year " hahahahahaha
2014-11-13 20:17
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sure he did
2014-11-13 20:21
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this is funny how?
2014-11-13 23:10
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I think motar did donate 12k $ for him just while ago. before it even more.. Of course he gets the all other things among u get with streaming (commercial) etc.
2014-11-14 08:21
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25k $ from motar + other donations + sub money = $$$
2014-11-14 10:58
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that was a good read. thx:)
2014-11-13 20:17
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its 10 euro for operation...
2014-11-13 20:22
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Denmark FaveN
No it's not. It's 4.69 for the operation.
2014-11-14 07:47
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Bulgaria Vendo_BG
plus 2x 2,39 euro for the other two mission packs
2014-11-14 21:05
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Denmark FaveN
Which aren't needed for the operation.
2014-11-14 21:26
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Sweden Tjuvjakt
Nice read! maybe change "see some high qualify CS being played" and then there was another spelling mistake somewhere in there but i don't have time to re read it! /not being a douche, just thought you would like to have it right for future references or something idk!
2014-11-13 20:23
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Sweden MoggeNNN
wow lurppis wants to give fiffy money? whats going on (._.)
2014-11-13 20:25
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Slovenia SKY_LINE
ikr. I love Fiffy, but for lurp to say dat...
2014-11-13 22:38
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Macau tarpenseen
I think that Anders and Semmler deserved this. They always had time for streaming, even when CS:GO was 10x smaller than now. They helpd with promoting the game, and they deserved this. I will not be happy to see if in near future some casting "house" force us to watch only their stream. We had similar period recently, and i think that we, fans, deserved to chose which stream we want to watch.
2014-11-13 20:25
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Poland micronn
They even deserve more money than pasha from my point of view.
2014-11-13 20:38
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Macau tarpenseen
Since he has a dauther, i cant agree with you. I had little brother, and i know how is hard to rise a baby, and how much money you need. Luckily for pasha, his dauther doesnt have medical problems like my brorther had, but still, you need a lot of money today if you want to have a baby.
2014-11-13 20:48
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Poland poorlak
Since he has a daughter, he should work a lot to earn much money but the only thing he does is playing n streaming, its just ez money for him that he doesnt deserve, he gets it for free
2014-11-13 21:00
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Macau tarpenseen
This is not anymore 2k6-7 where people could consider this like hobby. Money change all of this, and you can call this real job. Its a way more profitable to sit at home, playing video game and earn tons of cash than to go somewhere to work for 1000-2000 euros per month. He got 2000 e only in 1 day, so yap, its kinda deserverd. If sportsmans can get millions per year for doing nothing, esport players can get at least 5-6k per month too.
2014-11-13 21:05
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who the fuck are you to judge who deserves the money and who not? people which donated to him thought he deserved it, so they donated.
2014-11-13 23:35
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#116
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United States admiralsid
What's your problem? if streaming earns him the money to support his family/lifestyle then so be it. Who are you to say who deserves or doesn't deserve something? And i'm willing to bet that if you were in position to make a few grand a month just from streaming you'd do it in a heartbeat. Regardless if it was "easy money" or not smh. The nerve of you.
2014-11-14 00:44
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#136
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United States m0tive
Well said mate
2014-11-14 03:42
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#169
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Poland poorlak
How the fuck does he deserve that money if he doesnt do anything to get it inspite of playing his favourite game? Yes motar decide to donate it to pasza by himself but anyway this is not pasza deserves for his work because HE DOESNT WORK, money should be got by hard work or in future there wont be people doing dirty or any other work if they get everything for free.
2014-11-14 14:11
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#43
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Finland pwenfpsmfe
Good one again lurppis!
2014-11-13 20:25
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#45
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Netherlands woOtbot
Its amazing that Valve shares the money with teams and players, and I think I'll never be mad at them for that, even if they dont make some important game updates. Hopefully they thought about all these issues and I leave it in their hands to make sure we see players as competitive as ever. Just a shame I'm too old nowadays to play seriously, but can you imagine what all this money could've done for older generation? Not worrying about paying your house bills would certainly make people fully focused on CS! oh and i think roomonfire is very poor since anders never buys new clothes, but that should change soon as their sticker got added into the game.
2014-11-13 20:28
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#58
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Latvia shevijs
Takes with two hands, with little finger gives backs.
2014-11-13 20:40
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simple explanation: They are in it for the bitches
2014-11-13 20:31
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#52
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Hungary raffai
Oh fiffy
2014-11-13 20:34
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#55
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Sweden binz
Fiff <3
2014-11-13 20:38
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#57
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Latvia shevijs
Hahaha, well said Tomi! ''they're essentially a license for Valve to print money.''
2014-11-13 20:39
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#59
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United States postwarscars
The only thing I can see with NiP, is perhaps Fiff should get 1/3 or 1/2 of the money that would go to his replacement, for services rendered. Other than that, interesting article that brings up a lot of questions that needed to be asked.
2014-11-13 20:40
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#61
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World Manaik
kqly should sign up as kuukli
2014-11-13 20:43
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#62
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Norway Magnetic/
Fifflaren shouldn't get sticker money for DHW, as it's player signatures, and not the NiP logo.
2014-11-13 20:47
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#64
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Sweden FiffylaureN
Wow, Lurppis actually not hating on Fifflaren for once? What is this? O.o
2014-11-13 20:50
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#65
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Portugal macpjoao
Excellent article. CS:GO needs these structured articles with research and opinion, it makes the community smarter. As much as I and many others dislike lurppis as a person (mostly because of what he says on twitter), we have to admit that he is a good writer, and that should be rewarded.
2014-11-13 20:50
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#66
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Finland teppo123
more money, more competition, better for viewers. im just glad being esports king for over a decade in europe, the king game has taken its place at the top again and another decade incoming
2014-11-13 20:52
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#67
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Ukraine arch
i sure nip will share money with fiffy <3
2014-11-13 20:53
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#68
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Mexico Moxw
good read
2014-11-13 20:53
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#69
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Other landoc
WHAT! lurppis wants fifflaren to get a share of the sticker Money?? is this real life? im really scared now!
2014-11-13 20:55
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oh those poors player traveling and playing computer game few hours a day , so exhausting
2014-11-13 20:57
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#71
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Denmark FeTiShMB
"Take dignitas for example. Nicolaj "Nico" Jensen helped the team, under the Copenhagen Wolves brand, qualify for EMS One Katowice. In all likelihood he probably should have been allowed to collect that sticker money, regardless of it existing then. Of course it doesn't help that dignitas essentially stole the money from the CS:GO team, but in theory it seems that Jensen should have been entitled to it." What I was robbed 0_o and I didnt even know :D:D:D
2014-11-13 20:58
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10 replies
lurpiss dreamed about it this night and after he woke up he havent forgot , so here we go...
2014-11-13 21:00
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7 replies
#76
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Denmark FeTiShMB
No. He took a few silly lines from device's tweets and made it into some sensational story. It sounds nice tho.
2014-11-13 21:03
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6 replies
#78
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Morocco urachicho
So you got the money? :D
2014-11-13 21:04
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#84
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United States lurppis
yeah, it's either that... or i spoke to someone else in private. you know, either or.
2014-11-13 21:06
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#85
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Denmark FeTiShMB
I know and whatever you heard is wrong ;) I should know atleast :D Its quite the story tho.
2014-11-13 21:08
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1 reply
#141
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United Kingdom roman~
So did you have it in your contracts or not? Its not a shame if you get fucked the first time because you didnt know, just don't get fucked again.
2014-11-14 05:56
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#138
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United States mattypoo
who to believe?!
2014-11-14 04:29
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#189
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Russia sandr1x_
Given that Fetish doesn't bother to provide some kind of detailed explanation/objection I'd rather stick with lurp.
2014-11-16 04:50
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#82
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Poland Herme5
Sh*t happens dude. It was so traumatic that you even don't remember. That's how your brain works. It tries to erase bad memories. I'll pray for you. ;)
2014-11-13 21:05
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#83
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Poland poorlak
Nevermind it is lurppis who has always been talking some senseless trash, why should Nico have been allowed to get money if he played a low amount of matches, even though I dont think he tried to get it anyway. Talking shit about dignitas players being robbed inspite the fact that even they havent known about it XD
2014-11-13 21:06
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#77
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Morocco urachicho
Good article, very well explained..
2014-11-13 21:03
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#86
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World chrisV
Good, if we want the scene to be there, the cash has to be there aswell.
2014-11-13 21:15
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#87
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Sweden the_freak
Not gonna read this as it is Lurppis who wrote it.
2014-11-13 21:17
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#88
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Russia Sample_
Agreed, lets raise prize purse to 1mil$
2014-11-13 21:18
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#89
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Germany Racoonbra
Pasha deserves the $$ His stream is too funny!! youtube.com/watch?v=rSVGFgs7suo
2014-11-13 21:22
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#90
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Portugal DHeadshot
good article with very relevant points. maybe you forgot to mention ddos ruining online games, but that was already discussed before
2014-11-13 21:22
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#91
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Brazil pepospiller
What about a anticheater?
2014-11-13 21:28
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#92
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Canada superdiogo
Awesome read :D well done
2014-11-13 21:44
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it would be nice if simple players like us can get own stickers whith name tag :)
2014-11-13 21:46
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#94
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Germany lordgod
waiting for FODDER signature.
2014-11-13 22:13
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#156
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Brazil Collee
+1 Only fodder and chrisJ on my AWP
2014-11-14 09:52
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#96
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
The point about players being incentivized for themselves rather their team for the personal stickers thing is a very well said one, could see that being an issue
2014-11-13 22:23
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#188
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Russia sandr1x_
HellRaisers
2014-11-16 04:49
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#97
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United Kingdom Gumpster
I like the article, touched on a few good points. Obviously Pasha hasn't earned more streaming than playing this year, but it does pose that question for future if players can have the ability to earn more by just streaming. Some people seem to have missed Lurppis' point entirely there. At the same time online does seem to be crowded nowadays, you have CaseKing, Hitbox, Starladder, ESEA, ESL Pro-League/Major League, Fragbite Masters and various other leagues looking to get involved. There will come a point where some leagues will be screwed over like DreamLeague was in Season 2 where teams in DotA2 were using stand-in's to play in the league (or just plain swapping teams out). That is actually a far greater risk for everyone involved with CS:GO. Personally what I'd like to see more of is T2/T3 teams getting chances and grow the grass roots downwards. Although I do like how Valve is looking at ways to keep eSports sustainable :)
2014-11-13 22:28
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#101
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World source?
good read. can add alot of stuff, but tl;dr and no1 is interested. you've touched some good points, but you've also failed miserably on some. at least something out of the ordinary on hltv articles.
2014-11-13 22:46
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#103
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France Sylver_
Allow all pro or ex-pros players to have their signatures-stickers ==> problem solved. It's up to the community to decide who deserves the most to get some $$, not Valve. ;) Also, adding more players can only give more money to Valve, there is no reason for them to refuse. lurppis, spend less text explaining issues or your point of view, spend more proposing solutions. Everyone can rise issues and criticize, but rare are those who actually help.
2014-11-13 22:52
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#111
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United States lurppis
i'll start solving as soon as i get paid to solve. until then, i'll let those whose job it is to solve issues try to solve them.
2014-11-13 23:53
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#122
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Portugal Xandeee
It wasn't your job to say fifflaren should be replaced by allu ,but you still said it (:
2014-11-14 01:27
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#123
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United States lurppis
that was fun, solving others' issues is not
2014-11-14 01:38
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#124
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Portugal Xandeee
So it's not about being someone else's job . And he only said that you could say something about it , because your stuff is out there , and people actually read it
2014-11-14 01:42
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#125
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United States lurppis
my job isn't to help or solve issues, it is to entertain. i'll start doing the former when someone pays me accordingly to do so.
2014-11-14 01:43
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#128
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World c9ftw
Maybe apply for a job in Valve? They are rich as fuck now + they lack hands and they need an input from the proscene... It d be great.
2014-11-14 01:54
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#129
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France Sylver_
If they wanted to hire people, they would have done it for a while, tons of people would love to work for CS:GO.
2014-11-14 02:03
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#131
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France Sylver_
You are mostly entertaining yourself lurppis. All the time you are using to spy what players are doing, who is buying new games instead of hardcore practicing 24/7 etc, if you would use just a few minutes to think of suggestions/solutions, you could actually become useful to the community. You have the rights/power to reach both a large set of readers and people in the background of the scene. You have a strengh of proposition and the ability to discuss of specific topics to improve the game and all what is around. But instead, you are using these powers to criticize players and Valve, sometimes even copy/paste stuff from the web. And what is your explanation? "If you want me to be useful, pay me, otherwise I prefer to have fun with me and myself". The worst thing is that I'm here participating in your self-enjoyment because you love to read those kind of comments.
2014-11-14 02:16
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#137
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United States m0tive
Well said!
2014-11-14 03:46
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#147
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India anxF
+1
2014-11-14 08:00
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#154
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United States lurppis
I dunno how effective you are at using the internet, but i get my information off of using twitter for 5-30mins a day. HLTV.org pays me to write, in essence to be entertaining. I'd never ever do other people's jobs, which I don't enjoy, for free. Not enough hours in the day.
2014-11-14 09:45
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#164
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France Sylver_
If your only source of information is twitter, that could explain why your articles only treat the surface. Also, thinking of suggestions/alternatives to the issues you are talking about doesn't take much time, even less with your knowledge and experience. You wouldn't have to go in depth into this, just exposing a few ideas and let the community discuss and elaborate. And then later, once the idea has been studied, you could forward it to people that can actually implement them or at least reach the people that can. But wait, you wouldn't be directly rewarded (money, because who cares of people thanks and gratitude, it doesn't feed a family), why the hell would anyone do such thing, slavery is over.
2014-11-14 13:11
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#104
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United States CptSaveABro
Thank you for the insight in to the business side of CSGO. As an old school CS player that is playing once again, I have been curious how viable a future the pro scene has. Hopefully I can be a part of it as a player (the dream) or as a supporter. Hell I'll even setup and breakdown equipment at events. :-)
2014-11-13 23:09
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#107
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Germany chipsyy
All of a sudden it may be monetarily beneficial - as sticker money is no longer split evenly - to try to make yourself look better, even at the cost of losing a round or two. Score a very memorable highlight at the major? No way that does not correlate with sticker sales. Is this confirmed? I thought they would put the stickers in one or two capsules and divide the revenue with the amount of stickers(=players) in those capsules
2014-11-13 23:27
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#150
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Poland metal_cs
and if this "All of a sudden it may be monetarily beneficial - as sticker money is no longer split evenly - to try to make yourself look better, even at the cost of losing a round or two. Score a very memorable highlight at the major? No way that does not correlate with sticker sales." it will be on + for viewers more agressive plays yea! more highlights more fun
2014-11-14 08:41
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#113
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United States admiralsid
We all know Lurppis isn't the most liked person but geez the article was unbiased and well-written. No need for the bash here.
2014-11-14 00:23
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#114
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United States Tw1TCH21
Also you know, love of the game and competition. I think there are a lot of pros that could care less about the cash and just want to be the best in the world.
2014-11-14 00:25
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#190
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Russia sandr1x_
I agree. The ego aspect is kind of underrated in the article.
2014-11-16 04:57
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#126
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World c9ftw
fifi should give his share to gtr and everything d be good
2014-11-14 01:48
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#127
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France Impak
Stfu lurpiss just retire From hltv plz.
2014-11-14 01:53
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#130
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Denmark emptyslot
Gonna copy and paste until someone from Valve or lurppis see it. Or even God. "You know what would be awesome? In the future we could have players auctioning weapons from individual matches. "JW is selling his AWP used in the semifinals against NiP. Minimum sale price: ???" Nice idea, innit?" Nice idea, innit?
2014-11-14 02:09
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#151
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Poland metal_cs
yea have "THIS WEP" wich clutch 1 v x won major shut up and take my money :)
2014-11-14 08:43
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#165
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World ketra¬
interesting idea imo.
2014-11-14 13:28
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#168
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World ketra¬
but wouldn't the gun need to be signed/stamped or something to distinguish it from the original?
2014-11-14 14:10
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#170
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World ketra¬
now thinking about it, i don't think it's possible since it's not a solid object? as soon as the match is over the object would be lost in the moment, unless it is a solid object and can be moved around... Maybe saving the weapon in a certain permanent space gives it some dimensional value? Only 1 of them/unique gives it dimensional value for sure right? For example, if the gun was signed by the player in the moment of Winning the CPL finals match then saved in a certain space, a captured frame, then moved about in auction then provided to the player... yea it would work. Very nice idea :D
2014-11-14 14:18
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#171
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World ketra¬
Also it would depend on VALVe to cooperate with the CS competitive scene, because they would need to put some effort into making an actual signature on the weapon used during a professional match?
2014-11-14 14:22
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#132
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World mMeRush
I don't know if it was posted, but I would think a good idea would be only allowing the purchase of a "sticker package" where you get all 5 players in 1 of the teams, thus eliminating your theory that a lot of players will get singled out.
2014-11-14 02:16
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#139
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Austria hazel
GETRIGHT >3
2014-11-14 04:50
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Wow, nice article.
2014-11-14 05:12
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#143
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Finland ow
taxman will find you xD
2014-11-14 07:25
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#191
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Russia sandr1x_
Yep. Surprisingly enough, nothing tax-related has been mentioned. I wonder when and how exactly CS:GO (and other eSports) gets regulated in terms of taxation.
2014-11-16 05:00
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#144
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France sev7N
Well, Semmler told at ESWC that they're not rolling on cash.
2014-11-14 07:31
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#148
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Netherlands Chilco
Good read
2014-11-14 08:11
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#152
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Poland 01337
Nice read. Keep it goin'
2014-11-14 08:44
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#153
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Poland viejra
Ohhh hltv.org thx so much for good reading to my mornin job coffee
2014-11-14 08:50
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#155
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Austria gex0r
i wonder how many streamers don't do their tax stuff right and will get f*cked one day by tax department
2014-11-14 09:46
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#158
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Bulgaria krslus
in this article : lurp piss no longer being jelly of fifflaren (who overshadows him in achievements) and starting to get jelly at room on fire :D the "issue" of players deteriorating in their gameplay in favour of flashy plays to extract more sticker value for themselves can be solved pretty easily if superstars, hopefully being decent human beings, treat player stickers as team stickers and split the revenue 5 ways with the people actually responsible for setting them up as superstars. not that it is going to happen outside nip/fnc but it is the human thing to do.
2014-11-14 10:37
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#192
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Russia sandr1x_
Nice suggestion mate.
2014-11-16 05:02
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#159
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Poland netzar
skins for HE/flash/smoke.. etc
2014-11-14 10:48
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#160
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Norway hiiLde
What's in it for me I really gotta know What's in it for me This ain't no one man show To in my life You come and you go Ain't happy about it So I gotta know What's in it What's in it for me
2014-11-14 10:55
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#162
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Argentina gayweeb
nice
2014-11-14 11:56
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2014-11-14 18:28
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#174
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Germany Deconimus
k
2014-11-14 19:11
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#179
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United States alterbyme
Loved the article. Raised so many good points worth discussing a longtime coming.
2014-11-14 21:44
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#180
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Germany FLASH <3 sv_cheats 1
+1
2014-11-14 22:10
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#186
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Denmark Lovexela
Well i like the article but the last part is kind of off imo, if you are in any other sport team and make it to the finals in something, or qualify for something and then changes team. you doesn't get any of the pricemoney even though you might have helped the team into a final stage of a tournament. So of course a player who is leaving a team before a major tournament should not get anything for leaving. This is my opinion, but i think that if we want Esports to be a major sport like football and such, then we need to make it professional and we need to not cry about makelele making some extra money and fiffy to make less. Beside that both fiffy and nip probably did take it in consideration before tearing up the contract ;)
2014-11-15 15:05
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#193
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Russia sandr1x_
I think that the issue with streaming income overriding actual tournament prize money for a particular star-player could balance itself out because if your performance suffer from streaming too much instead of trying to stay ahead of the curve, so will your revenue from the streams. In other words, to earn a lot by streaming you'll have to stay on top level as well, so your streams bring more entertaining/educational value to the consumer (follower/fan). Am I missing something?
2014-11-16 05:09
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#196
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United States GunPaladin
Article wasn't very clear on how much the players are specifically making. Other than the $18k figure, it just speaks about teams in a plural fashion. "By simple math we see that teams were then paid out $210,000 or so from stickers for the first major that featured them" "By simple math we see that teams were then paid out $210,000 or so from stickers for the first major that featured them. Considering the fact Valve takes two thirds from the top of the purchase price in the market - as well as their cut from each deal made in the market later on - they must have made at least $630,000 from the second major's sticker sales." So are these numbers representative of just the top eight together or did each top eight team make that much?
2014-11-19 23:01
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#198
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Russia karpow777
lol
2014-11-25 09:07
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