The lack of supervision at events

The possibility of a workshop cheat being used even at major tournaments has brought light to the huge lack of supervision in today's Counter-Strike tournaments.

After ALTERNATE's Robert "⁠sMN⁠" Fredriksson was caught cheating on ESEA and banned for it, he suggested that he's not alone, and that many internationally known players cheat, too.

Many currently active players have told me that you can do practically anything you want on the computers in tournaments today, with no one looking after you to check what you are up to.

Back in the day, playing at LAN tournaments was much harder for the newcomer if they didn't know exactly how to setup their computers at the events, as admins weren't nearly as lenient.

Based on nearly a decade of experience, the best at this - and the most strict - were the CPL at their events in Dallas, though Laurent Genin-Satoh's events have always done a good job at it.

At CPL events, access to the internet was blocked from tournament computers, and no one was allowed to plug in a USB stick to copy their configs, installer files or anything else over to the computers.

If you wanted to use certain mouse drivers or a utility to set your USB polling rate, for example, you had to request those drivers and utilities weeks before the event so CPL had time to check no malicious software was included.

The issue of admins letting players browse the internet and copy their configs and drivers from USB memory sticks isn't new, but with the new allegations of players cheating at major events, it's more timely than ever.

Though the rumours about Valve and/or organizers knowing about cheating for months are almost certainly made up, as Valve yesterday contacted ESEA to help them catch the workshop cheats, it's still time to take action, now.


We know cheaters exist. What are we going to do about it?


How can this be happening?

One problem is that admins are too afraid to play the bad guy when it comes to players they respect, look up to, or possibly even are friends with. They may also think complaining about something small isn't really worth the hassle.

An admin should always follow the tournament's rules, as opposed to consulting with players from both teams, as it can lead to scenarios where the other team is seen as the bad guy.

There are also cases where the admins are simply far too lenient on the players, regardless of what may have caused the issues. This especially applies to warmup time before matches.

It shouldn't be necessary for professional players to warmup for thirty minutes before a game, or take fifteen minutes to setup. In my experience, it's realistic to do both in as little as fifteen minutes.

If you can not setup your computer in five minutes - and I know from years of experience it is possible - it probably means you have to practice doing that at home, not at the events.

If you can not setup in time, you should pay the price. It is guaranteed that will make the players figure out a way to setup faster the next time, thus leading to a better product overall.

Setup and warmup times are a huge issue in delaying events, a problem that has plagued the scene for years and constantly makes tournaments look ridiculous when they announce schedules in advance.

Delays between matches also strain viewers at home who can't ever know just how long it will take before a match starts, simply because a player feels the need to play five extra minutes of deathmatch.

Furthermore, now that it's possible to imagine that even top players may have cheated in big tournaments, it's increasingly important to limit what players are allowed and able to do on the tournament computers.

We can't leave $100,000 checks up to chance - the honor system hasn't ever worked, neither can it be expected to work here. Steps must be taken to ensure fair competition.


Sometimes admins need to play the bad guy

 

What can we do to solve the problem?

All of this can be solved by taking appropriate measures to make sure players can not do whatever it is they want to do at tournaments. It means stricter admins, but it can easily be done.

Do not allow anyone to bring anything on a USB stick to a tournament computer. Plugging in a USB stick should mean an automatic forfeit loss for the team - that is the only way people will not do it.

Force players to submit the drivers they wish to use in advance, and place them in a neat folder on the desktop of each tournament computer, where they are accessible for everyone.

Up until Valve figures out a way to stop running workshop items in tournament matches - and that's something that must be done for online play as well, possibly via a CVAR - own accounts can not be used.

Valve, or tournament organizers, must supply Steam accounts for all players to use, so nothing sketchy can be subscribed to them. It's the only way to avoid the workshop hacks.

Internet access should also be limited on tournament computers. There is no reason for players to be able to browse around on the internet, or download files from there, on the computers. At best, it adds to delays. At worst, it leads to cheating.

Setup times must be reduced. No one who has attended a tournament in the past needs an hour to setup and warmup - you can setup in five to ten minutes, and anyone can play after five minutes of warmup. There are no excuses.

If you cut setup times to twenty minutes it will make tournaments more enjoyable for the viewer, avoid chances for the players to cheat, and make it easier to supervise setup periods.

Speaking of supervision, an admin must be placed behind every team for the entire time that team sets up on the computers they are playing on - it's the only way to stop them from using USB sticks.

And finally, as for admins, it may be necessary to hire people who can make the unpopular decisions. If no one gets punished, we may as well have no admins. If no one gets punished, no one is afraid of getting punished.

I can promise you half the delays in today's Counter-Strike are caused by two magical words - mouse issues - which no admin can truly chime in on, as for the most part it's subjective to the player.

I also know of multiple cases where those two words are used simply to buy more warmup time - and admins always grant it. It's time, with $250,000 on the line, to force players to hold up their end of the bargain.

Maybe, just maybe, when they have issues that no one else is having, it's the players' fault. And maybe, we should be incentivizing them to solve them by themselves.


In sports referees are often disliked - in CS, they are players' friends

 

What's next?

That may seem extreme to some, but all of what was listed above was standard procedure at the most important event in the world, CPL Dallas, from 2001 to 2006, when it reigned supreme.

With more money than ever being involved and Counter-Strike becoming increasingly professional, we should be able to demand more from the players, especially when it comes with other perks.

Integrity of a tournament should always be considered number one priority, and disabling internet use, disallowing use of USB sticks - and enforcing it - and using only pre-checked drivers and utilities will help with that.

If we assume that even some of the things posted here are true, it's obvious we no one can take any risks with this. Everything must be accounted for at the major tournaments.

Admins also must be allowed to make drastic decisions when necessary - Na`Vi being forfeited at Copenhagen Games was one, though when the computer issues were caused by the event, it wasn't actually Na`Vi's fault.

The game is more professional in terms of money, it's time to make it more professional in terms of the players. It's time to start enforcing all the things that will make our game better.

We can not run the risk of having cheaters at tournaments. We also can not buy the players' infinite amounts of setup time, thus hurting all the viewers and fans who power the entire scene.

It's time for organizers to take a stand. Players may not like it at first, but they will respect it - and with the cheating allegations, it's the perfect time to make a change.


One of the guys who can make a difference at DH


Maybe one day Valve, especially if ESEA helps them out, can find out how to catch these workshop cheats and potentially even catch people retroactively from some past events.

If not, we shouldn't get stuck there. Let's make sure these cheats can't ever be used again, assume they didn't affect much in the past, and look forward to better days ahead.

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#1
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Australia bwaybwoy
Nice!
2014-11-19 18:25
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World KK'73
Reading speed: level 9000000000
2014-11-19 18:27
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#59
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North America KyneS
"CS:GO pro scene inconvenient facts" - Alot of pro player cheating even on online qualifications & lan events since cs 1.6 (silent aimbot, trigger, soundesp etc.) - They are all good "friends". - Pro players live from e-sport money. - Skins & online real money bets = alot of money. - Alot of matches was sold for skins and real money bets. - Almost every pro player have second steam account for skins from bets. - csgoshop.com is project created and advertised (CSGOShop.com tagnames on weapons) by pro players who can easly sell skins for real money. - DDoS attacks in 80% matches are fake to explain sold matches - Easy money, easy life.
2014-11-19 18:45
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Russia benzene
nice copy-pasta
2014-11-19 18:47
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Portugal antCB
explain me why DDoS'ing wasn't a thing back in the 1.6 days (or earlier), or at least with a lot less impact than it has nowadays? real money bets for e-sports are a thing, since at least 2006, and I can't remember an event I've seen through HLTV back in the day that was plagued with DDoS'ing...
2014-11-19 20:18
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#265
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Poland kRAMERO
cs didnt have skins. nowadays kids are burning about skins.
2014-11-19 21:02
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#273
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Belgium vinzdawn
"kids".. not sure about that, i think those ppl are 20 or more, dont want to get a proper job, and dream about making money on the internet..
2014-11-19 21:12
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Poland kRAMERO
so mentaly they are still kids :)
2014-11-19 23:35
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Estonia nubchik
exactly they're kids.
2014-11-20 12:28
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Portugal antCB
real money > skins.
2014-11-19 21:59
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United States klapaucius
DDoS'ing start to happen more towards the end of 1.6. Probably because it started to become way easier for anyone to DDoS, instead of just a select few.
2014-11-19 21:32
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China Ava1ondraGon
I miss that watching games through HLTV.Now only can watch pros throught GOTV in big major.
2014-11-20 00:46
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United Kingdom top_kunt
ahaha I remember when everyone called me crazy years ago when I said people fuckin cheat on lan OO AREA LLEGIT OOO you're all deluded fanboys
2014-11-19 21:13
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Netherlands artiKuno
n00b get reading skills omg
2014-11-19 22:04
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Finland SKYEALEX
for a second i thought it was something about eminem :d
2014-11-19 18:30
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Denmark entify
great article.. CPL was the best. Was impossible to cheat.
2014-11-19 18:45
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World Dorker
Yeah, we really need to adress the things making CS quite bad at the moment. Like lack of supervision as well as change if stupid stuff like the CZ. Should they standardise mouses and keyboards somewhat so that they have to use like one of 10-20 different mouses that they have at the tournament? Could work. Then auction/raffle to the viewers and crowd. Double win. Another thing I was thinking about. How about putting up a stream of the setup/having it on the mainstream in the corner while it's just talk or nothing anyway? Just have a camera behind each team. That way you'd have someone there as well as 100k viewers who'd see if someone put n USB-stick in plus it would probably be a bit interesting to see the setup.
2014-11-19 19:25
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Norway mOnsen
Shouldnt limit keyboards/mouses, sponsors wont like it
2014-11-19 19:53
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World Dorker
There are not that many different mouses and keyboards that are used. Just make the players submit a list of their setup and their sponsors + valve could help provide it. That's why I said 10-20 different ones, I doubt the diversity in mouses and keyboards is a lot larger than that with 16 teams. But I might be wrong. Raffles will happen anyway and channels/teams etc whom would otherwise send them themselves could have their sponsors send them directly to the tournaments.
2014-11-19 20:09
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United States loomeh
We're talking about cheating here, and organizers doing more to prevent people from cheating. Not sure how using a unique mouse/keyboard would aid someone in cheating. This has never been restricted in CS and never should be; the ability to use pretty much whatever equipment you desire is a fundamental of PC gaming...
2014-11-20 03:35
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World Dorker
Alright then just let them send in their mouse or tell the organisers which mouse+key they will be using and then they will provide it.
2014-11-20 04:27
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Portugal antCB
no need to limit peripheral brands. just have ALL of the drivers for them installed beforehand. you only need 1 of each software suites installed for a mouse to work, which wouldn't be more than 500MBs, and NO, they will not conflict with each other... (If you want to get very technical about your mouse configs, you need drivers, obviously. I've always played without mouse drivers for example, and that used to be common practice for all the players I know from my country and other countries as well)
2014-11-19 20:21
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Wrong, since almost all keyboards have USB hubs you can easily embed a memory stick inside it just with a screwdriver. Same goes to mouse, not so easy, but still pretty simple doable with a soldering iron. So all points about "USB STICKS OMG CHEATING" in the article are pathetic. Just disable USB storage programmaticaly and leave only input devices support on tournament PCs. Profit.
2014-11-19 23:09
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Estonia nubchik
reading this thread made me cringe so bad when he was talking about disabling the internet and banning usb devices. hah.
2014-11-20 12:34
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typical nice
2014-11-19 18:42
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United States Dragonborn
lurppis, you repeated so many things over and over. why not make a checklist so Valve and whoever else is reading this, including us humble csgo followers, can understand most of what you're saying and save half of the time reading this. another point is to simply put the PC casings infront of the audience, out of reach of the players and make sure the players cannot have easy access to the casing to plug in any USB device. as for cheating, i've been thinking about how to counter this for a while now and the effort needs to be done on both side; hold a 15min meeting in the morning with all the teams before the games start and inform them of the sanctions against cheaters and how to protect themselves against DDoS. Print flyers and give to the players. Monitor them and keep them on their toes. and the admins definitely need to step up. i 100% agree on that. being too much in love or bromancing with the players can only lead to zero fear and no respect from the players.
2014-11-19 19:47
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Serbia nutcracker
Agreed on all, except setup time. 30 minutes pre match is a normal setup time, i dont think you should force players to do it in 15. Also, i never thought LAN pcs can access internet, i mean wtf :D
2014-11-19 20:04
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Russia lu4niak
some scrawny pale kid can make a difference at dh? ok, lol
2014-11-19 21:24
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+1337
2014-11-19 18:26
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nice
2014-11-19 18:26
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lol ?
2014-11-19 18:26
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lol
2014-11-19 18:27
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great article
2014-11-19 18:28
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Sweden fnatic fanboy
next: the friendship argument in casting Kappa
2014-11-19 18:28
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2014-11-19 18:29
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;~}
2014-11-20 12:36
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ban
2014-11-19 18:30
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It's sad, that Valve will not read this... and that they didnt care...
2014-11-19 18:30
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valve is reading all the time.
2014-11-19 18:40
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World Luckysc
valve doesn't give a fuck, whens the last time they did something useful?
2014-11-19 19:24
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United Kingdom Gumpster
ie the fact that they are in contact with ESEA over this actual cheat.
2014-11-19 19:32
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Germany gegengift
source?
2014-11-19 22:39
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Denmark NaToSaphiX
and then BAM
2014-11-21 11:54
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Finland WKING
Great content, as always.
2014-11-19 18:31
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Denmark shun95
banallcheaters.exe
2014-11-19 18:31
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United States thisshot
Makes sense given the money at stake.
2014-11-19 18:31
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Portugal acidq
+1 lurppis
2014-11-19 18:32
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Estonia looodi
first step taken i guess
2014-11-19 18:32
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Netherlands Chilco
Good read.
2014-11-19 18:33
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Community shouldnt buy any Sticker from DH Winter, to show Valve what is going wrong here, all that fucking cheaters...
2014-11-19 18:34
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+1
2014-11-19 18:35
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United States spaceghost--
What a stupid idea.
2014-11-19 19:28
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Portugal brunald0
+1
2014-11-19 21:40
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Lebanon Traxion
Buy navi stickers only c: smn didnt say any of the navi players cheated
2014-11-20 01:50
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Lithuania CMINUSNINE
Control of tournament pcs should be able to eliminate all of LAN hacking. Online is impossible to stop though.
2014-11-19 18:34
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There is its called a real anti cheat
2014-11-19 21:21
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France ProDiiGy
There'll always be a gap in the software that some hackers can bypass. A 100% anticheat is pretty hard to make, as not 1 game has it.
2014-11-19 22:36
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Yes that's true but they can do way better then vac
2014-11-20 00:18
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France ProDiiGy
Without a doubt
2014-11-20 08:24
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So what I take from this article is that being "LAN proven" is becoming meaningless. I wouldn't be surprised if by 2020 rectal checks are needed to make sure someone is not cheating.
2014-11-19 18:35
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United States spaceghost--
You're being absolutely ridiculous. The article was pointing out how we are actually way more lenient today than before. If this trend continues, then I think players will be giving admins rectal checks.
2014-11-19 19:30
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Finland FRGVN
"One problem is that admins are too afraid to play the bad guy when it comes to players they respect, look up to, or possibly even are friends with." stopped reading.. that's funny when it's coming from lurppis, tournament admin/organizer @ areena in which ghosting happened and nothing was done to stop it.
2014-11-19 18:36
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United States lurppis
areena is an event where people play for fun, it's not a massive event with hundreds of thousands in prize money, or an event that can afford to pay admins to watch teams. hardly comparable. i can't be in six places at once, unfortunately.
2014-11-19 18:39
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Finland FRGVN
good point, still.. the situation should've been observed for 5 minutes which would've closed the deal immediately since the situation was blatant and cost aslak's team many rounds. :) good job on the tournaments otherwise tho, had fun there.
2014-11-19 18:48
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United States lurppis
i assume you're talking about areena #4, but i could be wrong. i only hosted the event because of players begging for it, and had to spend the entire day working on esea/hltv.org stuff. if no one specifically comes up to me to tell me what's happening there, there's not much i can do. i can't be looking at six teams at once, and obviously areena employs zero admins.
2014-11-19 18:51
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Finland FRGVN
well yeah I cant remember which areena it was but I came up to you and you just said to your fellow something in the lines of "I hope there's not ghosting going on here.." and pretty much laughed together :S well yeah anyway I understand what you're saying. -edit- and specifically referred to the part being friends with the players. just to clarify.
2014-11-19 18:56
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lurppis > gaben
2014-11-19 20:01
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Cambodia vince7676
good read
2014-11-19 18:36
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France gombus
Solid writeup by lurppis. Props.
2014-11-19 18:36
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Denmark OPINIONATOR
Lurppis writes words that matter.
2014-11-19 18:36
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Great read.
2014-11-19 18:37
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United States zkipa
agree good job lurppis
2014-11-19 20:43
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Sweden DIOdorant
Nice pic of robban there! Kappa Anyways, this is a serious topic and with cheaters Im afraid CS will never be aknowledged as one of the better E-sports games. To keep the environment as clean as possible, I guess the only thing to do is to have an admin look at your USB drive weeks or days before a tournament as a deposit and when you arrive you get it back.
2014-11-19 18:38
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#153
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United States spaceghost--
No, the whole point of checking drivers and everything is that then players wouldn't need to bring USB drives because the admins already have the drivers and everything on every computer. Did you not read?
2014-11-19 19:31
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Sweden DIOdorant
you need your own config. How you gonna port that into the computer?
2014-11-19 19:54
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United States spaceghost--
By sending it to the admins before the event so they can check it. Once they clear it, then they put it on all tournament computers. Basically if you put in any effort to read my response to your initial post, I wouldn't have had to repeat myself.
2014-11-19 20:00
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Sweden bamsbm
Like the old fashioned way. CPL-style!
2014-11-19 20:05
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Portugal antCB
YOU DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT MOUSE/KEYBOARD DRIVERS. WTF. Every pro team uses Zowie/Razer/Logitech/SteelSeries, just have those driver suites installed on all tournament PC's. Bam, problem solved.
2014-11-19 20:24
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France shadafakap
nice thread Lurppis. good job. I like the idea. well done
2014-11-19 18:38
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Do u guys think KennyS is cheating?
2014-11-19 18:39
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India Mr. Patriot
No
2014-11-19 18:44
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United Kingdom top_kunt
probably he seems like the raging nerd type who would cheat
2014-11-19 22:09
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Inb4 nip still actually top1 and no one ever caught uo, they just started cheating lol
2014-11-19 22:24
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>_<
2014-11-20 00:52
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It was a joke :)
2014-11-20 06:10
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United Kingdom NipXe
very noise
2014-11-19 18:39
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India Reapz0r
Nice article!
2014-11-19 18:39
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World FlyingDJ
A very simplified view on the whole issue. Yes, maybe you take only five minutes to set up. Does everyone? It is a difficult balance between giving players proper conditions and limiting the time they can take for setup. We have hosted Counter-Strike events since the game came out, we have hosted two Majors for CS:GO. What you write here is not a thorough evaluation, it is a simplified view from someone who has limited experience in that area. And that's a pity because I think a balanced view and discussion about this topic is something we definitely need.
2014-11-19 18:39
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#56
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World alistilla123
"Yes, maybe you take only five minutes to set up. Does everyone?" Yup, players never had complaints or issues at the CPL tournaments. Lurppis is 100% correct in this regard. "We have hosted Counter-Strike events since the game came out, we have hosted two Majors for CS:GO. What you write here is not a thorough evaluation, it is a simplified view from someone who has limited experience in that area" Well, it's sad that lurppis has a better idea of what to do than you do, Mr. Tournament Organizer. How about you stop pussyfooting around and actually do what lurppis is saying. You have the chance to step up and lay down a perfect structure for all LAN events to come. If you don't take advantage of that, for whatever reason you might have, then you can go fuck yourself.
2014-11-19 18:44
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Sweden bamsbm
+111111111111111111
2014-11-19 20:06
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#75
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World Metamf
If you are organizer = rip csgo
2014-11-19 18:50
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#89
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World alistilla123
+1
2014-11-19 18:55
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#107
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France ahrim4n
Like you said FlyingDJ, this isn't as simple as that. Otherwise we would have already applied some of Lurpis advices. I would love to see players able to setup in 5 minutes without any need of usb key, Internet etc :) It's a dream for all tournament organizers :)
2014-11-19 19:06
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#159
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United States spaceghost--
Did you even read the article? The shit that lurrpis brought up was standard during the CPL, which some could argue was a bigger event than any major. Nobody needs a half hour to set up. Nobody needs a half hour of warm up. There needs to be a time limit set to keep the pace of the game, which is something that is prevalent in literally every actual sport. You don't see guys taking 15 minutes to warm up and stretch in the on deck circle in baseball.
2014-11-19 19:34
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#43
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Hungary atroxMoli
nice post, totally agree
2014-11-19 18:40
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#44
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Germany reamux_
only thing im missing here is hardware implemented hacks. although there are only a few of mice that are able to do this i think its still an issue that you can easily fix
2014-11-19 18:40
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#46
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World alistilla123
This is your best work lurppis. Well done and let's hope that DHW step up and listen to you. +1
2014-11-19 18:41
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#47
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United Kingdom hando
Indeed, well said.
2014-11-19 18:41
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#48
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Poland whOoOzAAA
jesus, can I get some credit - hltv.org/forum/677476-cheating-solution-.. If you tel you you didnt read that among other threads as a basis for you article.. you would be completely lying. While we know you are not entitled to link or give credit.. others should receive a +1
2014-11-19 18:41
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#53
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Germany reamux_
not like you brought up something revolutionary, i made the same points and even further ones in the reddit threads yesterday night. these ideas are the result of basic logical thinking and not your invention
2014-11-19 18:43
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#104
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Poland whOoOzAAA
thanks for posting my shit on reddit!
2014-11-19 19:05
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#58
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United States lurppis
haven't ever clicked on your thread, sorry. edit: read it now and 99% of it had nothing to do with what i wrote.
2014-11-19 18:47
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#96
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Poland stich - HLTV.org
One of your best articles to date, concise and to the point.
2014-11-19 19:00
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#105
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Poland whOoOzAAA
lol lies..
2014-11-19 19:05
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#164
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United States spaceghost--
no but really, most of what lurrpis said had no basis in your blog/thread besides the obvious fact you're both talking about cheating in csgo.
2014-11-19 19:38
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#172
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Poland whOoOzAAA
uhh yeah? restricting PC/Player access to machines..
2014-11-19 19:42
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#203
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Sweden bamsbm
yeah, that's something new..?
2014-11-19 20:06
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#210
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Poland whOoOzAAA
clearly.. if these pros get to work with admin rights on a pc
2014-11-19 20:12
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#243
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Sweden bamsbm
Uhm. As lurppis wrote, CPL didn't let the players do shit.
2014-11-19 20:42
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#268
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Poland micronn
Have you read my blog post about 16tick demos? hltv.org/?pageid=135&userid=185656&blogi..
2014-11-19 21:03
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#276
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United States lurppis
great idea - but i'm afraid there's little i can do to help get it implemented :/
2014-11-19 21:14
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#287
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Poland micronn
Thanks, you can add it to some of your article and you can mention about me in credits ;] Maybe then Valve would read it :)
2014-11-19 21:26
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#60
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Finland fckingfish
This has to be one of the most self-important posts I've ever seen. Get a fucking grip, you really think you are the first one to present ideas like these as a solution? Absurd.
2014-11-19 18:46
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#77
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World Metamf
get a life
2014-11-19 18:51
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it doesnt really match your thread? probably you didnt read your own thread or this one.
2014-11-19 20:54
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#266
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Poland micronn
Post blog next time :)
2014-11-19 21:02
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#51
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Finland Sadee
nice article
2014-11-19 18:42
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#52
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Europe Pear_
Couldn't agree more on the "setup part", so god damn tired of teams who delays the game because of setups and warmup. Fucking get up earlier and be prepared to the match starts. They never think about all the fans who got up early at home to watch cs just to get the door slammed in their faces.
2014-11-19 18:42
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#113
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Norway GrOggi
THIS! When we were attending the dreamhack summer group stage, we got a clear message from the admin (the guy on the pic) that if we had something that delayed the match (mumble not working etc.) we would get to start with -3 rounds. We had everything fixed (we even had 3 backup servers to mumble and 1 for ts), but our opponents (Na'Vi) had some problems with their TS server, and the match was delayed because of that. And only because they were Na'Vi nothing happens, the only explanation I got was that "it wasn't the admins fault". And this is something that pisses me off, not just because the fans got to watch a delayed match but the admins never have balls to actually punish the bigger teams (only at Copenhagen games).
2014-11-19 19:10
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#151
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Netherlands lexor
had the same stuff on Dreamhack vs Coldgame :-). They didn't had any demo's and so on (Emilio en Co). And they were playing @ Compo PC's while it was BYOC. We were in sitting in room D with fucking hardcore party's over the place. FUCKING CORRUPT shitfaces around CS:GO
2014-11-19 19:30
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#166
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United States spaceghost--
corrupt? idk if the admins are generally corrupt. that would be unfair to claim. negligent is a better word.
2014-11-19 19:40
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#165
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United States spaceghost--
Which is fucked up, considering most of these players are scrawny nerds and not intimidating at all.
2014-11-19 19:40
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#239
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Norway GrOggi
If you have seen the size of their manager and edward contradiction the admin, they might look intimidating. Huhehuehue. Joke to side, it's not that the admins are afraid of the players. They are afraid of their reputation, because big organizations as Na'Vi have alot of "manpower" when it comes to do damaging people's reputation (lobbying etc.). (I'm using Na'Vi as an example, this does not mean that they are doing what i'm saying. This is just an example).
2014-11-19 20:38
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#55
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United Kingdom spart-
Well said.
2014-11-19 18:44
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#57
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Colombia Rodriguez/10/
first good news from lurrpis
2014-11-19 18:44
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#61
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Finland banjoleros
In other sports players dont make the schelude but in esports they do. It must be fixed. Make some rules and stick to them!
2014-11-19 18:46
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#63
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World Trace-
Importaint article, gj lurppis
2014-11-19 18:47
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#64
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Iran ahmaden
i cant believe you are talkin about cheat on lan :D i want to see a face of a guy who have dare to cheat on lan environment , is it fuckin possible to do that ?!
2014-11-19 18:47
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#80
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United States lurppis
top picture in this article
2014-11-19 18:52
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#101
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Germany reamux_
what do you think about hardware implemented hacks? is there a reason you havent included it in this article?
2014-11-19 19:01
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#112
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United States lurppis
i know nothing about them and honestly don't know what could be done to stop people from using them, aside from formatting all the onboard memory from any device every time...
2014-11-19 19:09
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#118
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Germany reamux_
with all the valve sponsored tournaments i think it should be of ease letting the top 16 teams submit a list of their equipment and the few players that actually have mice with enough onboard memory like some steelseries products get their mice provided by valve be it through their own money (which would be like nothing for them) or through sponsors directly (steelseries, razer, etc)
2014-11-19 19:14
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#133
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Germany reamux_
or: just ban those few mice completely. im sure this would result in e.g. steelseries providing a version without memories because they still want their products advertised and used at major cs tournaments
2014-11-19 19:20
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#150
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United Kingdom hando
100%
2014-11-19 19:30
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#215
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Poland LGfisgod
Agree
2014-11-19 20:13
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#336
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Germany gegengift
+1, but i guess hardware based hacks are not the biggest problem
2014-11-19 22:56
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#196
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United Kingdom rhyss
In all honesty, it's not the LANs that's the worrying part, it's the pre-LAN qualifiers and general online play. CS:GO is starting to get some traction now, as an FPS game reliant on aim and information cheats are always going to be a problem unless an LCS-style event were put into place. Sounds slightly grim, but the only way I can see LAN being properly monitored is if it wasn't BYOC, and even then, one cheeky plugin of a USB pen can easily install everything needed onto that PC without anyone knowing any different.
2014-11-19 20:01
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#270
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Poland micronn
I think it's still USB memory, you can block that with software or in os.
2014-11-19 21:06
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#114
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Poland dislodgE-
Can anybody explain how actually he did it? I cant imagine it myself too :/
2014-11-19 19:10
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#84
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India Mr. Patriot
Yes, contrary to the popular belief, cheating is very much possible on LAN..
2014-11-19 18:54
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#65
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Brazil bandicoot
need higher risk for cheating, like fines or sending someone to beat them up. i volunteer!
2014-11-19 18:47
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#71
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India Mr. Patriot
Haha.. 'someone to beat them up' Call the biceps..
2014-11-19 18:48
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#68
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India Mr. Patriot
Great topic. Great timing. Let us see whether these suggestions will be implemented during dreamhack or not..
2014-11-19 18:48
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#70
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United Kingdom ardnut
I can't believe they are allowed to plug in usb sticks or access to the internet on tournament PC's. Is that not just basic common sense to help avoid cheaters?
2014-11-19 18:48
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#76
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India Mr. Patriot
I think USB access is allowed so that you can copy your configuration files to the pc.
2014-11-19 18:51
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#88
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United Kingdom hando
The thing is there's no need to allow it. It was always a fair and sanitised system to allow admins/tournament reps to do this. Players shouldn't be allowed anywhere near usb ports, and modern peripherals that have on board mem should be made available to admins whenever they request it. // Or better yet, handed over at registration and then returned on stage already connected for the game...
2014-11-19 19:01
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#102
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India Mr. Patriot
Yes, I do feel that USB access is completely unnecessary. But tell me then, how could you copy your configuration files to the given PC if you have no access to USB or steamcloud? And let us suppose that these files are not allowed to be put on the PCs.. Then, a pro player would spend 30 minutes configuring his game settings including sensitivity etc. (assuming he learnt value for each and every setting) which would only add to the delays..
2014-11-19 19:06
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#125
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United Kingdom hando
While there may be exceptions, most pro players (as with non pro players) have one config / setup that they stick to. Details of that setup, including any preferred details within an autoexec, key binds, specialist drivers etc, can all be provided in advance of any LAN situation. This of course includes any future LAN qualifiers. In fact Lurppis mentions those measures within the article because they were all used to good effect in other tournaments previously. The fact is that for all of the money grabbing flaws evident within the CPL, because they ultimately didn't trust the players attending, it led to (on average) a more cheat free competition. There needs to be balance between these two points of view, but I think it's clear there's enough early evidence here to suggest measures should be taken. Whether you consider those measures to be preventative or reactive will I imagine very much depend upon your point of view...
2014-11-19 19:15
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#192
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India Mr. Patriot
Well said! Details of that setup, including any preferred details within an autoexec, key binds, specialist drivers etc, can all be provided in advance of any LAN situation. I just realized this.. Thanks for bringing this point.. Cheers!
2014-11-19 20:00
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#177
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United States spaceghost--
Did you read the article? The admins would look over all configs and drivers in advance, and once they clear them, they would be placed on every pc in a little folder on the desktop. Your config would already be on the pc, thus getting rid of any need for a usb stick.
2014-11-19 19:47
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#232
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Portugal antCB
with Steam's Cloud thing, you don't need to plug anything to get your config. just save your settings to steam cloud and it will load up when you set your account up on a different PC :p
2014-11-19 20:32
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#235
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India Mr. Patriot
Yeah, but if you gonna restrict access to steamcloud and workshop (as mentioned in the article), how you gonna fetch configuration files from there?
2014-11-19 20:35
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#242
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Portugal antCB
obviously you won't, but, configs for lan should be just adjustments of sound levels, key bindings and video prefs. not a lot more, or shouldn't be more than that. Defaults ftw.
2014-11-19 20:42
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#82
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United Kingdom hando
You would have thought so... Having come from the Quakecon / CPL era, I was amazed to see this was happening in many modern LANs. Pretty clueless really.
2014-11-19 18:53
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#73
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Denmark sycrone
One of the guys who can make a difference. This Robert? Guy has been getting so much attention. He seems like a cool lad.
2014-11-19 18:49
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#83
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World ropa
Do not allow anyone to bring anything on a USB stick to a tournament comput uhm...ANY USB-device can programmed to act as USB-stick. And not nessacry when you plugit it in directly, but you can trigger USB device to change type when/however you wish
2014-11-19 18:54
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#97
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United Kingdom hando
Simple solution would be to hand over your keyboard & mouse to admins upon arrival. Then they can be interrogated as required, and are put in place for you prior each game as necessary. That way you'll never know if your setup has been checked or not. If you planned to cheat using a driver on your kb/mouse, would you then happily hand it over to an admin??
2014-11-19 19:00
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#116
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World ropa
Admins/Event organizers cannot detected or check this, why this is a big issue..not just for cheating scene, but generally as well. More details if interested arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/this-th..
2014-11-19 19:14
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#129
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United Kingdom hando
Can't detect what? Files that shouldn't be pre-loaded because they don't match any signatures expected for game files, devices drivers etc as detailed by the manufacturers? Explain further maybe?
2014-11-19 19:18
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#140
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World ropa
Your comment is bit confusing, but anyway you can't detected USB device masking as USB-stick. Once USB device is as stick, you can load your driver..etc. Of course you can try prevent loading or idenfity what is loaded, but that is different topic.
2014-11-19 19:26
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#155
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United Kingdom hando
I think you're going off on a tangent here. The article was interesting, but doesn't appear relevant at the current time.
2014-11-19 19:32
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#161
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World ropa
Nope, just discussion of delivering USB stick on event. Anyway thats all from me, make your own conclusion as you want :)
2014-11-19 19:35
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#90
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Finland Habanos
In this day and age when even some mice has built memory and kinda acts like a memory stick when you plug it in, you can never really be sure if a computer is infected with cheats or not. Might sound far fetched, but these should be banned as well (including keyboards, headsets, whatever). Anyway it's very possibly to reprogram that memory for a tiny hack. Also keep in mind that there already exists products on the market which sole purpose is to give an unfair competitive edge in gaming (e.g A4 Tech Bloody v7). Though it would be so ironic if steelseries products (not all!) got banned from competitive play.
2014-11-19 18:56
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#109
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Sweden expected
The only solution I can think of to guarantee nothing dodgy on USB devices is this: Players bring two of each item they're intending to use. Two mice, two keyboards, two headsets. The one they're intending to play with they hand in to the admins, who carry out random checks to see if there's anything fishy. This is then given back to the players when it's their turn to play. The other set of devices they can use to warm up or practice or whatever. This is obviously inconvenient for the players and would increase the strain on the organisers by a lot. But we're at a stage now where disturbing things are coming to light and we need to do all we can to crack down on cheating and make players afraid even to try.
2014-11-19 19:08
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#124
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Finland Habanos
that's an option, I was thinking more like having a list of accepted devices or a list of devices that are not allowed.
2014-11-19 19:15
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#141
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Sweden expected
Unfortunately pretty much all devices these days have that function, it would be like banning the last 4 years of mice and keyboards...
2014-11-19 19:26
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#234
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Portugal antCB
"Steelseries/wtv presents the new Sensei/Rival/Wtv tournament edition" LOL :p moar products, moar exposure, moar monies.
2014-11-19 20:34
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#93
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Germany Checke
you can get a decent private cheat for just around 100-200€ no wonder there are that many people who will never get detected.
2014-11-19 18:58
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#98
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Sweden expected
Lurppis has been on a roll recently. Hard to disagree as well. The game is growing but the professionalism around it isn't. btw minor typo here: If we assume that even some of the things posted here are true, it's obvious we no one can take any risks with this.
2014-11-19 19:00
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#236
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Portugal antCB
amazing how it was way more professional back in the day, lol :) things tend to progress and not the other way around. isn't happening with CS:GO (only the prize purse went up a "bit").
2014-11-19 20:36
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#99
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Iceland dayton
n1
2014-11-19 19:01
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#100
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Ireland O'Reily
whats up with the weird pics?
2014-11-19 19:01
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#103
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Denmark noche
Maybe I missed some part, but how would anyone be able to use their configs if they can't download or use an usb pin?
2014-11-19 19:04
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#122
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United States MDNGHT
They could just submit configs when they request drivers before an event.
2014-11-19 19:14
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#147
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Denmark noche
But then it would be on the desktop for everyone to access, also the other players.
2014-11-19 19:29
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#168
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United States MDNGHT
Why would seeing someone else's config matter? 90% of pros have them posted on their facebook or something anyways.
2014-11-19 19:41
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#178
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United States spaceghost--
That's the point. If someone really thinks an opponent is fishy, they can go look through their config. It doesn't give your opponent an advantage if they know that you use mouse3 to quick switch weapons instead of Q.
2014-11-19 19:48
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#247
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Denmark noche
In that case they can make changes to it.
2014-11-19 20:43
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#275
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Poland micronn
It's possible for admin to block all cfg but not specific one with network software.
2014-11-19 21:13
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#303
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United States spaceghost--
You know how parents put child locks on computers so that when kids access their account, they have limited access? Just do that. Have an admin account and a player's account. Player's account is unable to make changes while the admin account has full access to make any changes.
2014-11-19 22:05
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#126
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United States lurppis
the way it used to be done -- bind the keys from the counter-strike menu. in the good old days you weren't allowed to download or copy your config file, you had to re-setup from the game's menu, WITHOUT console.
2014-11-19 19:16
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#144
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Denmark noche
Is it possible to buy as fast as you could in the old days without the direct keybindings?
2014-11-19 19:28
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#149
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United States lurppis
i've played little cs:go and i can buy just as fast as in 1.6
2014-11-19 19:30
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#156
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United Kingdom hando
...or if not just increase buytime cvar?
2014-11-19 19:32
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#179
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United States spaceghost--
No. Just stop.
2014-11-19 19:49
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18 replies
#185
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United Kingdom hando
Too jazzy for you?
2014-11-19 19:54
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17 replies
#198
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United States spaceghost--
An increase in freezetime would solve nothing. I literally don't even know why that was brought up. It will solve nothing but make the games even longer than they already are, which is a problem at lans.
2014-11-19 20:02
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#206
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United Kingdom hando
Joking aside...along with the need to reduce the ability to cheat, the discussion was also about introducing measures that would replace any need for huge delays at the start. Increasing freezetime by three, four (or even five seconds) would even over the lifetime of a final bo5, be virtually nothing when compared to the delays already experienced prior to almost every match. If you wish to be so literal, then I have literally no idea why you were unable to compute this yourself... :s
2014-11-19 20:09
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#216
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United States spaceghost--
How would increasing freezetime help stop delays? Please enlighten me what players need to do with those extra 3 seconds that otherwise would cause long delays. You still haven't established that, which is the basis of your argument.
2014-11-19 20:15
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#224
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United Kingdom hando
How would not allowing players to set up computers using their own configs at the beginning, which often takes upwards of 30+ minutes, prohibit a delay that is often more an extra 3/4 seconds buy time to compensate for loss of said player binds loaded during said (and now absent) pre-game set-up time..? That part of the argument you mean?? // Seriously?
2014-11-19 20:23
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#277
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Finland TRICKASSBUSTAH
You can buy full gear with mouse in 3 seconds, maybe less. There is absolutely no reason to make freezetime longer.
2014-11-19 21:15
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#298
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United States spaceghost--
Seriously. And if you aren't a complete noob, you use the number pad to buy anyways. Can buy all of your gear in about 1 second with the number pad.
2014-11-19 21:57
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#331
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United Kingdom hando
You can, I can, not everyone can. That was the point. This way there's no dispute.
2014-11-19 22:48
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7 replies
#338
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Germany gegengift
well if youre not able to, you shouldnt be playing the tourneys were talking about
2014-11-19 23:02
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#340
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United Kingdom hando
The point is that misbuys would have a very severe impact, so much so that there would naturally be opposition to any change such as this that forces use of the default buy menu. It doesn't matter how pro you are, you can still make a mistake if you use a keypad bind set day in and day out, then the default menu for LAN. Hell even if you then forever opt for default to limit the problem of transition, mistakes can still be made. Realistically adding a short addition to the buy time, while simultaneously removing the need for a 30+ minute pre game set up, would seem to satisfy both.
2014-11-19 23:07
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#351
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United States spaceghost--
The whole point is to not cater to the players anymore, yet you're catering to the players. The reason why there are such bad delays is because players need to warm up and do other random shit. The delays weren't caused by preloading buy binds since they were able to just download them quickly before the tournament. You're giving a solution to something that doesn't currently effect what is happening now, since players are now currently able to use usb sticks and such to upload configs/buy binds. If they weren't allowed to do this, then yah you have a point, but the fact is that the reason why there are delays is not because of preloading configs and buy binds. You're solution solves a problem that doesn't exist.
2014-11-19 23:35
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#363
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United Kingdom hando
No it isn't...and no I'm not... (However, you appea to have a very piqued perspective, so you can carry on yourself from here on out).
2014-11-20 00:31
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#371
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United States spaceghost--
Yes you are. You are saying that 30 min delays are caused by people downloading their configs and such. This doesn't take long since they're able to download them off the internet and off a usb. That is not the reason why there are delays. There are delays because players jerk off and warm up for an extended period of time beforehand. Thus you aren't really addressing the real reason why there are delays.
2014-11-20 03:24
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#386
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Finland heppionkeppi
Wtf?!? I could buy for the entire team in normal freeze time, it literally takes 2-3 secs and rest of the time Im itching to get started. Im sure pro/semi-pro players do it even faster.
2014-11-20 10:01
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#348
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United States spaceghost--
Ok but pro players can, and they're the ones playing these tournaments. We are talking about the tournaments right?
2014-11-19 23:32
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#297
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United States spaceghost--
You still haven't answered my question as to how increasing freezetime would help stop delays.
2014-11-19 21:57
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#332
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United Kingdom hando
lol..
2014-11-19 22:48
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#347
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United States spaceghost--
You really haven't, all you did was respond to my question with another question that was a run on sentence. The only thing I can possibly think of what you're trying to say is that you would add freezetime to compensate for not having binds, but that's still completely idiotic because you can buy everything you want within the 15 seconds, and that's just assuming you're not half brain dead. These are pro players.
2014-11-19 23:31
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#167
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Denmark noche
Have also only played a little, but use buyscripts now, because i have gotten old and lazy.
2014-11-19 19:40
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#278
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Poland micronn
It's easy for Valve to code the scripts in game settings. Idk why they didnt do that. For example: You choose the key for buy AK47 or M4.
2014-11-19 21:17
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#294
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Denmark noche
Yeah I know, thats why it is so easy to put in the cfg.
2014-11-19 21:47
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#174
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Denmark chrns
That would only be possible if net settings were forced server-side, since the engine currently defaults to non-optimal interp/cmd/up rates. I also think customization to a certain degree is important. Organisers could also have players send configs in, verify and bundle them with the allowed utilities and drivers in the folder you were suggesting for them to have available on tournament PCs. Not much work required really; once the folder is created, organisers could just share it and have players send in updated configs for verification in the rare case they want to change something. Another thing that probably should be mentioned alongside the problem of proper supervision is the aspect of sound/audience interaction. With the increased amount of coaches with means of communicating with the players, it's more important than ever to make sure the players and coaches are isolated from the audience and cast. Players especially mid-round concentrate on the game, the coach on the other hand can dedicate all his time to reading the audience or catching pieces of information from the casters. I'm not sure whether coaches are allowed to talk mid-round, but it's not like anybody makes sure either way. ESL had in-game voice streams of the teams playing - that would be a neat feature to have for all majors. More content for people to enjoy and learn from and hundreds of people supervising the teams without pay. ESL had the POV of the teams in question playing on those streams. That way, spectators can even check for information given by a player he shouldn't have access to. And since there are VODs of those POV streams, it would be easy to review cases.
2014-11-19 19:43
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#106
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World source?
i know for a fact top players from my country who have cheated at lans. only one got caught. this was 6 years ago or more. he was the only case caught, but at least 6 more were cheating. it's not hard and many times no1 is behind you. you can even do it on the main stage, because no1 is behind.
2014-11-19 19:06
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Would be gr8 if we can get back like that CPL system with no access to inet for players
2014-11-19 19:07
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#110
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Germany karuso33
You might as well just take some kind of capture card and record the display the whole time in a lower res(mb 720p?) and in case you are not sure if someone has cheats rewatch it in like 4x speed and check for cmd windows, starting programs anything. Even if not rewatching the recordings, this would scare to players to do anything suspicious. The only downside to this is, that 2 pcs would be needed per player(one recording, the other one for playing)
2014-11-19 19:09
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#111
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Portugal hacksel
2014-11-19 19:09
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#387
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Finland heppionkeppi
So you say "yes" for long delays and possibility of cheating: - gg
2014-11-20 10:02
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So esentially you are saying that fnatic are cheating and nip are the only ones not cheating?
2014-11-19 19:13
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#180
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United States spaceghost--
Nobody said that. You're an idiot.
2014-11-19 19:49
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4 replies
omg sarcasm detector on please.
2014-11-19 20:24
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#238
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Portugal antCB
you forgot kappa or /s to be on level with HLTV standards :D
2014-11-19 20:37
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#306
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United States spaceghost--
^^^^ It's hard to detect your sarcasm when I see people say way dumber things and actually mean it many times per day on this website.
2014-11-19 22:06
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#309
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Portugal antCB
also true XD
2014-11-19 22:08
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#119
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United States MDNGHT
Add a launch option +tournament which restricts the CSGO client from accessing any workshop or steam cloud files. Add a cvar, sv_tournament 0/1 which will not let players join unless they have +tournament in their launch options. Do not allow players to bring any external storage devices.
2014-11-19 19:13
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#137
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Macau KAPOW!
+1
2014-11-19 19:24
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#339
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Germany gegengift
+1
2014-11-19 23:06
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#390
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Belgium maxwellz
+1
2014-11-20 10:19
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#121
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Portugal mafio1
exactly what I was talking about in the other guy's blog. Ban the fuck out of them all.
2014-11-19 19:14
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#123
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World Xelines
To make sure players can't use USB sticks this should work... 1.) Make the computer user account that the players use a non admin account. 2.) As a admin open Local Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) and set the following polices: i) Computer Configuration -> Admin Templates -> System -> Removable Storage Access -> Removable Disks: Deny execute access, Deny read access, Deny write access ii) User Configuration -> Admin Templates -> System -> Removable Storage Access -> Removable Disks: Deny execute access, Deny read access, Deny write access You could take it one step further and enable "All Removable Storage classes: Deny all access" A normal user account (that players would use) would then need a admin to make use of a USB stick to copy configuration files across in a controlled environment. You can do similar local policies to disable driver installations unless you know the admin username and password. If a player needs a driver installed they call for a admin to install it. The only thing left to do then is get Valve to eliminate the workshop stuff. Then you would have a secured tournament environment without fear of cheats being installed. Cheers Senilex
2014-11-19 19:24
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#127
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United Kingdom sCruFFyO
#TheCheatening
2014-11-19 19:17
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#128
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Iceland qbZRD
I got a solution, Players should play on some fresh steam accounts. They shouldn't have the possibility to use wifi/3g/4g/lte and bluetooth on their phones. Also they should be forced to play on hardware provided by tournament organisators(Players tell they want kana/razer etc and they get fresh one). About CFG. They send CFGs in emails or other service to tournament admins. Admins check the cfgs and if its all ok they put it on the pcs.(players can execute their own configs with exec neo.cfg etc.) They can't connect any device to the PC without ADMIN permission. (Admins should check everything before they let players connect it.) Maybe someone can come up with better ideas :] If ppl can hack using steam workshop, why not to give'em fresh accounts ;] Also, what do you think about it lurppis?
2014-11-19 19:21
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#188
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Finland acidrainn
Yeah this bluethooth thing was brought up to my mind immediately. Seeing players doing something with their smart phones during the games started to feel suspicous :D
2014-11-19 19:56
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#131
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United States JohnnyBme
Nice, best is that players submit their configs to dreamhack/esl/esea website (most already do that in esea website, or dreamhack can browse the esea profiles of invited players to download all of them to the pcs, a simple folder of configs of everyone can be an easy fix.) no usbs, maybe 10 steam accounts that are -player name- and each player can just change the name, no internet access... and that's it
2014-11-19 19:19
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#132
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Germany pmb
probably your most important article in 2014, lurrpis. thanks for catching up on this important issue!
2014-11-19 19:20
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#134
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Russia razortw
Hire Eminem to play a bad guy, good point.
2014-11-19 19:21
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#139
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Poland dislodgE-
I must agree that the setup time is what made attending a LAN as a spectator a beautiful experience of standing and waiting (becasue you didnt know when are they going to start playing, even on stage). While watching at home, you can at least do something else on the computer or work out f.e. :p And I also agree that it's time we can demand more professionality from players as far as setup times are concerned. Somebody said somewhere, that if you are late for an SC match in Korea (those Televised ones) you lose by default. That's something we should expect from CS tourneys too. The only thing that I dont like about this article is that it shows the author's own point of view, and absolutely nothing more. Now we know that lurppis_ can setup in 5 minutes, and play after a 5-min warmup. Cool. How much time do other pros need to setup and warmup? We dont know. Boom, half of the article turns to a one man's diary. Too bad, because it touches a good point. I absolutely agree that players probably need some more supervision from the referees - f.e. TaZ with his screaming at the opponents. This is the issue that makes CS not look like a real sport. In volleyball, you cannot express your happiness while facing the net, because it might be used to trashtalk with your opponents. Why can't we introduce something like that in cs? That would be nice, imo. It's a shame that lurppis is the only one creating such articles, because we, as the readers, don't have any other point of view, instead of his. Anyways, good read, keep it up! ;)
2014-11-19 19:26
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#143
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United States CptSaveABro
@lurppis Now that MLG is getting involved with CSGO, do you know if their tournament operations are more organized and strict (like CPL)? Or do you think they'll be in more of a learning state? If they are more strict, I can see them possible leading the way in tournament or event reform.
2014-11-19 19:27
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#146
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Slovakia giveitup
What if just admins (for example 3 for 5players) stay behind all teams during they set up all to play? i think that´s enough... players can do shit with it
2014-11-19 19:30
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#152
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Canada KODACK
casino security steps will be better imo ( i m serious ) but for warmup i dont agree with u players should have a decent time to setup and warmup
2014-11-19 19:31
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#157
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France Tmlie
Very good read. Just lack a part on hardware implemented hacks, which are the ultimate LAN hacks I'd think ;)
2014-11-19 19:33
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#158
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World LASS0
Nice lurppis.
2014-11-19 19:34
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#160
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Europe DiVbAnG
+1 Mr. lurppis How hilarious is it that a serious game like counter strike has so much shit going on (hackers, throwing etc.) and a casual game like CoD doesn't.
2014-11-19 19:35
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#217
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United States lurppis
...that is exactly the reason - in cs:go you can gain a lot by cheating, or throwing games, whereas in a game like cod there isn't nearly as much to be gained, so no one is incentivized to do so.
2014-11-19 20:16
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#162
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World Claraccoon
"Valve, or tournament organizers, must supply Steam accounts for all players to use, so nothing sketchy can be subscribed to them. It's the only way to avoid the workshop hacks." I like this, but no more skins to display for pro players while playing then ? :o
2014-11-19 19:35
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#170
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Poland PANIq.
like skins are more important than fair game, LOL
2014-11-19 19:41
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4 replies
#183
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World Claraccoon
come on just sayin :p wasn't expecting an answer lol
2014-11-19 19:51
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3 replies
#211
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Iceland qbZRD
you know that valve can make anything. They can give all skins on those accounts.
2014-11-19 20:12
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2 replies
#233
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World Claraccoon
yeah good point :p
2014-11-19 20:34
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#328
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Portugal mafio1
yeah they could just insert the same skins as the players have in those accounts.
2014-11-19 22:46
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#171
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Poland PANIq.
cool read Tomi, fun to see here all the stuff we talked about with brcho yesterday :D
2014-11-19 19:42
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#173
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World Hogan-
good article. make the players submit their drivers stuff before and put all of them onthe pc. make them public for anyone afterwards. disable usb. and 200% agree with that setup time. its a joke that some players "arent able to set up their pc in some mins". there has to be a strict deadline. if i watch a professional match in tv, whateve sport it is, it will start when it is suppossed to. eveerything else leads to viewers jumping of the stream.
2014-11-19 19:42
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#175
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Europe Naitee
I dont like you but this article was on point. Good Job.
2014-11-19 19:46
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#181
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Spain Richi_
if its true that BB pigJW and BB fnatic xD
2014-11-19 19:49
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1 reply
#368
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Lebanon Traxion
+1 hacknatic out of grp stages
2014-11-20 02:14
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Good art. I agree with all of that.
2014-11-19 19:55
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#189
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Germany lpSykl
I think the config (not any files!) of CSGO should be just synced to steam cloud and tada: no USB sticks and internet connection needed.
2014-11-19 19:57
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#209
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Iceland qbZRD
Have you read whole article? There are rumours that ppl can cheat using steamcloud.
2014-11-19 20:11
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#190
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Sweden Tompa :P
This was great, good read.
2014-11-19 19:58
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#191
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World Claraccoon
there's this thing where all players' pc are connected to an admin pc who can monitor players' desktop screens :p ..and they should have this shared folder for all players where all cfgs are located. (since it's submitted beforehand) ..and slap impenetrable cover on those usb slots XD
2014-11-19 19:59
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#194
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Denmark royde
Great article! Get rid of them
2014-11-19 20:00
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#202
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Japan WHISPERZOR
Nice, I knew it.
2014-11-19 20:06
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#204
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African Union wtbx
You want players to warm up in 5 mins? Haha ok spastic.
2014-11-19 20:06
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#207
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Iceland qbZRD
You don't need more than 10 mins for warmup... Especially when you play this game almost every day.
2014-11-19 20:10
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1 reply
#272
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African Union wtbx
Everyone is different.
2014-11-19 21:09
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#208
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Sweden LillRobbaN
Wow, seeing that picture of me is making me wanna quit Cs and bring Sexy back. No, on the serious note. We are currently discussing this right now, so we are definetly awere of the situation. Right now I can not deliver a definite answer to this.
2014-11-19 20:10
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#213
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Norway banankaster
I think you look very handsome!
2014-11-19 20:12
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1 reply
#231
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United Kingdom hando
stay focused...
2014-11-19 20:30
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#240
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NEO | 
Poland -Furi.
No offence but are you the little admin dude?
2014-11-19 20:40
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#263
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Sweden LillRobbaN
No offence taken, ye fucking tiny isnt it cool?
2014-11-19 21:00
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#323
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NEO | 
Poland -Furi.
Its amazing :D really cool to see someone with power being tiny like you said, so how tall are you?:D
2014-11-19 22:41
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#327
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Sweden LillRobbaN
157cm, 38kg of swedish steel bro ;)
2014-11-19 22:45
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#299
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Finland muerte=DDD
Thank you and DH's GO-team! These things that are listed as a solution on this article (gj like always lurppis), are really easy to put on action. And basically only way to prevent people doing whatever they want with computers. Also pre-setup gaming devices, which players are usually using should be on tournament computers. I have no idea is it possible to make those in-mouse cheats, but there was a discussion where some programmers were pretty sure that even though it's hard it's still possible.
2014-11-19 21:57
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#212
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Finland teppo123
people should always assume somebody is trying to cheat when there is money on the line whether it's real sports or e-sports, for example at the top level there are close to 0% doping free athetes
2014-11-19 20:13
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#218
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Ukraine dahovv
Agree
2014-11-19 20:17
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#220
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World Swishh
When I was young, people only have 100% aimbot or wallhack cheat. Now, design cheat is the big problem.
2014-11-19 20:18
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#221
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Poland bogus95
2014-11-19 20:20
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Valve should release a custom version of Steam OS (aka Debian Linux) for tournament organizers with security protocols already put in place. There should be no need for flash drives either.
2014-11-19 20:32
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#403
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United Kingdom QNo
Exactly, provided CS:GO is optimised for this.
2014-11-20 15:40
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#228
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United States glostik
The real problem is alot of people have become lazy, both players and admins. Half the CSGO players dont even know the commands they use, they just use them because their teammates use them.
2014-11-19 20:26
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#229
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Sweden ABOBRSHN
Well said Lurppis, I really hope the Dreamhack Crew takes notes. It's a real concern wich is rather easy to fix.
2014-11-19 20:28
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If I catch you cheating, you are getting the hammer, I dont care if you are my own mother, Heaton, or otherwise...
2014-11-19 20:30
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#237
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Germany jarifiN
+1
2014-11-19 20:37
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#244
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World Cosidius
Configs could be sent in in advance and saved on the desktop in a folder. Ex. Config/Get_Right/autoecex.cfg USB can be turned off by a policy. (Assume they run windows) One can also control with GPO what executables is allowed to run for a user so you only can start the game and voice program nothing else. Drivers for each manufacture should be downloaded in advance from the vendor site not provided by players. They should only tell what keyboard/mouse they have. No internet access on match computers except what is needed to run the game.
2014-11-19 20:42
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#245
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Poland micronn
About USB sticks You can block USB memory with programs like USB Lock. So you can only plug gear, I used it on my lans was really good thing. About Steam temporary accounts Yeah provide these accounts or disable sync with cloud for tournament time. I wrote about it few hours ago. About Internet access +1, but then pro players can't use the skins to show them to viewers. GOTV would need to download them from players accounts and show them to viewers. About admins behind every team They don't need them with proper software, USB Lock or log monitor but it would be nice to have one of them to check these things. Btw. I agree with all.
2014-11-19 20:55
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#382
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Indonesia vyee
Interesting stuff about USB Lock, hope they would read this.
2014-11-20 07:55
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#248
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Poland PapaTurban
The more suspicious for me after reading this article is VP winning in Katowice ;-)
2014-11-19 20:44
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1 reply
#253
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Poland micronn
Crowd helped them that's all :)
2014-11-19 20:48
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#249
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Russia Naborbukv
2014-11-19 20:45
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#267
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Russia Naborbukv
sry, here is counter-video youtube.com/watch?v=fjkWmYgPLKk
2014-11-19 21:03
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#250
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Russia JohnnySkins
if this was true navi wouldve won all majors so far
2014-11-19 20:45
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#251
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France boin
There is clearly a lake of decent system administrators in the scene. No half decent administrator would let a machine open for users with privileged access rights. A lot of things can and should be done to prevent the users to install/launch any program, from boot level to OS level (#123 explained a part of it). Other things can be done to limit the setup time and reduce intervention time in case of hardware malfunctions or stuff like that. There should be an exhaustive list of authorized programs and drivers. All installations should be done by an admin anyway, only the configuration might be left to the players (even that could be supervised, but it should be relatively safe). Better safe than sorry.
2014-11-19 20:46
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Thanks for this article Lurppis, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks ! We want to see the real "level" of all players now ;D Can't wait for the FIRST event with those rules, being sure at 90% that nobody can cheat (People can always find something to ...) I really want to see some players, and if they can perform the same skill, it will be awesome, but I guess we will have some bad surprises ;D Fast !
2014-11-19 20:47
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#254
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Poland PapaTurban
It will be boring like hell and with comments such as: jesus they play worse than my opponents on MM! :P
2014-11-19 20:48
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A player can miss one event, or two, but It will be blatant as hell after :) I do not hope that, I'd like to think that just 1 or 2 are cheating or none (the believeeeee) , but we will see :D
2014-11-19 20:54
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#255
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Serbia vlada_j
great read. you're totally right that everyone should start treating the game (at least professional side) more serious, and that there should be penalties etc, i mean, huge money is on the line. if you have the chance to make nice money and live a pretty nice life just by playing counter-strike, you're gonna have to take it seriously.
2014-11-19 20:49
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#256
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Germany jarifiN
Yeah right the situation with NBK ... maybe you remember the stream. He was always on his iphone and it was lying right in front of his keyboard. I was like lol is he using radar hack on his smartphone ?!
2014-11-19 20:49
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#257
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Estonia getrektnoob
makes me sick..
2014-11-19 20:50
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#259
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Slovakia Strenki
people will do anything for the win ANYTHING
2014-11-19 20:54
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#260
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Portugal gon4alo
I was recently at ESWC and got to be in the players area due to covering the event for FRAGlider. Because I've been away from LAN events for so long I must say I was really surprised when I saw players browsing the internet and saw some PCs with USB sticks plugged in - funny thing: I noticed how most players come straight to HLTV right after they finish playing :) Anyway... 10+ years ago when I played shitty local tournaments the whole computer was locked with some software that would only let you open the games you wanted. No console, no start menu, no internet, and no drivers unless specifically asked for prior to playing. These were tournaments were maybe you could win 50-100€. 10+ years later people are playing for $100k+ and it feels like things were done better way back when. Good write up lurppis. Hope this serves as a wake up call.
2014-11-19 20:54
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#262
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Germany jarifiN
When i pull out my smartphone at work i get a serious warning from my chef. Why does a pro player allowed to use smartphone during a match ?! There could be an informant in the audience an telling information about the oponents and telling them via wzapp or else... They all should play the game on the same conditions no extras for any teams no fucking "mouse issue" for buying time etc. No USB sticks no fucking rinput shit.... JUST PURE AIM SKILL AND STRATS. nothing else its about 100k founded by buying skins and stickers. when we normaluser not protected for throwing matches for skins or realmoney on egamingbet.com then atleast give as a fair tournament to watch.
2014-11-19 20:57
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#271
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United Kingdom hando
The rinput exe is a different thing, (although not everyone agrees on it as some think it's a placebo?)
2014-11-19 21:08
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#311
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United States lurppis
rinput isn't a placebo on its own - it made a huge difference in cs 1.6. however, i believe rawinput does the same in cs:go, so it no longer has an effect.
2014-11-19 22:10
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#337
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United Kingdom hando
The point was about GO rather than 1.6, in that there seems to still be some debate over whether rawinput alone in game / with 6/11 produces the required effect. I don't think I've seen anything conclusive, but I may have missed it.
2014-11-19 23:01
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#362
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Netherlands P|chrisJ
Well people say m_rawinput is bugged in csgo. I'm not sure, I just keep using Rinput.exe 1.31 because it has always worked for me and you know 100% you have "real" rawinput.
2014-11-20 00:30
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#364
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Brazil markkrj
cheaterJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ jk
2014-11-20 00:40
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#286
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Poland micronn
About smathphone: Yeah idk too, it's soo easy to take info from wifi messangers. And players are even allowed to plug 2nd earphones so they can take info from that too.
2014-11-19 21:24
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can anyone name the person in those photos? 1st is smn, others?
2014-11-19 21:00
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#269
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Netherlands ufear
Forbidding to plug in USB stick will be useless, you can load software in lots of USB devices... srlabs.de/badusb/
2014-11-19 21:04
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#281
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Poland micronn
So monitoring software would better in that case.
2014-11-19 21:21
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#279
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Sweden Souji
Was caught and now he will take the rest together
2014-11-19 21:19
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#280
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Europe ezk001
chrisJ disagree with this post
2014-11-19 21:21
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#283
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World Gudrutis
Delete csgo from today
2014-11-19 21:22
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#284
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World Nephoz
Yeah, hopefully one day. q_q
2014-11-19 21:22
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#288
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SkullsY | 
United Kingdom SkullsY
Man, this article does not read through very well. Some fantastic points though. It's time tournaments/qualifiers/admins started moving along with the times, just like CS and cheats have been.
2014-11-19 21:26
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#289
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Lithuania zefyrzmogis
purge those m*f*ckas
2014-11-19 21:28
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#291
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World woo991
I dont see why the players shouldnt be responsible for the gear they use. bring two of everything if you have too. People who game for a living I bet have many mice and keyboards. its simple players are not only responsible for themselves but the gear they use.
2014-11-19 21:29
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#295
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coswell | 
Finland coswell
Sad to say, but if the players play on tournament accounts in big tournaments: Valve wont like this because they wont have the skins :| -> Not going to happen. They need to somehow stop the workshop items used.
2014-11-19 21:48
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#404
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Turkey Markers
+1 this isn't considered but is probably pretty important to volvo
2014-11-20 18:16
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#296
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Poland 01337
lurppis such a nice read. respect.
2014-11-19 21:49
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#300
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United Kingdom harreh
So players can install/run what they want on most tournament PCs? I bet highschools have more restrictions....
2014-11-19 21:58
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#308
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World Nolip
five stars A+ 10/10 would love to see some bootstrap...strapping as far as this is concerned.
2014-11-19 22:07
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#369
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Germany jarifiN
Yeah right ?! This is the Problem as Lurppis mentioned in this article. I think it is what is because Admins start to be friends with players and bumpfisting allover the place and the players have no restriction or rules. Sometimes when i watch the Tournaments i always ask myself if the got rules or whats so ever. Everthing seems to be chaos. Between the matches players making a break, and nobody knows howlong etc. With so much money on the line, i would totally agree that the Players got all the restriction like it was back in the days on CPL! I mean why not ? If the Players dont cooperate believe me there will be thousands replacements for them.
2014-11-20 02:36
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#314
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Poland oFi
someday when e-sport will be as popular as ordinary sport, cheaters gonna go to jails. Hacking is a crime = nothing more, noting less....
2014-11-19 22:24
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#333
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Ukraine dididididi
this will be good! until that time, cheaters deserve broken legs, arms and faces ))))
2014-11-19 22:50
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#321
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World rokam
Players should be checked by metal detectors before entering the stage! This is a normal thing in serious events.
2014-11-19 22:40
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#388
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Finland toparr
With random cavity searches. You never know what kind of vibrator you have set to go off when your crosshair is at an opponent.
2014-11-20 10:14
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#322
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Finland kAMMYz
Good article. No clue why the same standards haven't been kept for CS:GO that were there for most of the CS 1.6 era afaik. CoD4 had similar LAN tournament problems during my professional career as CS:GO has atm, cfg:s were tweaked so that the enemy models were more visible & guns had less recoil.
2014-11-19 22:41
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#325
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m0NESY | 
Hungary powi
Excellent article. Changes need to be made, and players need to accept the rules. After all every pro player should want a clean and cheat-free tournament, so even if its a bit uncomfortable they should support these things. I mean if i would be a pro player, i wouldnt be upset if an admin comes there and check my pc. Since i want a fair game i wouldnt mind if i dont have access to internet, or cant attach usb-sticks. On a tournament computer all i need to do is play the game, nothing else.
2014-11-19 22:44
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#326
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Netherlands psYchovic
Noone excited after reading LillRobbaN's comment saying they're discussing possibilities (possible changes making it more difficult to cheat/have an unfair advantage)?
2014-11-19 22:44
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#342
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United Kingdom hando
+1
2014-11-19 23:09
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#329
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Ukraine dididididi
cheathack winter is coming if organizers wont change anything read this, rip real cs hltv.org/?pageid=135&userid=128&blogid=8..
2014-11-19 22:47
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#334
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Canada xb0y
real talk
2014-11-19 22:51
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#335
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Finland puute..
thx! nice read! +1
2014-11-19 22:51
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#343
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France KoBeWoNe
Why always talk about pro scene who represent less than 1% of players ? ...and BROLY & mekelek still not vacced.
2014-11-19 23:10
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#391
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Finland heppionkeppi
Bcos most of are thrilled by seeing top level tactics, executions and individual plays. For that 99%, I can just go home and play myself. There are much more people watching football in the world than actually playing it.
2014-11-20 10:19
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#344
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cArn | 
Sweden cArn@dSn
Great article! Just in time for DH Winter I guess :D
2014-11-19 23:12
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#345
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World ZAMAJAN-
Extra supervision = RIP fnatic era. Fucking cheaters wont pass the group stage
2014-11-19 23:15
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#349
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United States WilbuRsson
Fnatic and VP are all of a sudden under a bunch of heat, I can't wait to see how they both play.
2014-11-19 23:33
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#353
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World ZAMAJAN-
Im not so sure for VP, but fnatic is cheating 100%. The only guy to cheat in VP is probably snax cuz of his sneaky-beaky-smoke plays. He is just like fish in the water when comes to smoke plays. Taz and neo are guys with big reputation and cs legends, they wouldnt risk their careers i think. I might be wrong about snax, but you cant get over it just like that...
2014-11-19 23:39
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#346
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United States WilbuRsson
Great read, nice thoughts on how to fix the problems. Though I think organizers may need to actually go as far as to ban any mouse or keyboard with on board memory like the sensei and deathadder since they can act as usb sticks on their own.
2014-11-19 23:30
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#354
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Freya | 
France Sheld
How are the germans going to get 10 rounds on their home soil then ?
2014-11-19 23:40
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#356
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Belgium Enaph
Good article! :) But one thing that bothers me is the smartphone. Easy to cheat , even without the visible screen, a viewer can vibrate the phone to prevent push on a website (1 ring = A, 2 = B) or anything like that . The forum rage on NBK and his phone during a recent LAN , but the players have it in their pocket are also capable of ghosting. I may be paranoid, but it is a stupid and easily doable thing for me...
2014-11-19 23:52
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Lurppis love your shit man, huge respect for you as a writer. Hopefully you take this to a higher calling one day and make something of it. Good read.
2014-11-20 00:07
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#360
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Iceland Osirus
they could have preconfigured windows with steam and cs go on a server so the admins could take 2-3 mins to refresh the computer between games and use applocker to block every file except for drivers for mices or use virtual machines so u can´t use usb drives and have the drivers for mices on an network mapped drive
2014-11-20 00:22
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#373
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United States loomeh
lol virtualized machines? even with amazing hardware, gaming on a virtualized OS almost always delivers a sub-par experience. besides, there are much easier ways one could block the use of USB ports, without blocking the two ports needed for mouse/keyboard.
2014-11-20 03:37
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#374
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Netherlands ufear
Its actually possible to use virtual machines with direct dedicated GFX passthrough without a big performance hit as I've read - didnt try it though. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if this will happen in the future...
2014-11-20 03:44
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#361
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United States DrLejos
Totally agree, really hope this happens..
2014-11-20 00:26
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#370
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Malaysia k1ngzzz
Or they could do a folder and store the team config there after checked by admin. (The tour usually takes months before it started) @Example - TEAM NIP CONFIG TEAM TITAN CONFIG In the folder, just break it specifically to their own config ( GTR CONFIG, FOREST CONFIG, etc etc). 80 player config to be check should not be a problem. It just my opinion :)
2014-11-20 03:23
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#375
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Canada Kuruption
Why doesn't Valve just create a anti- cheat for the major????
2014-11-20 04:23
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#376
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Venezuela xoile
What if all the pc's have a hidden folder with a 32kb exe for example with only access to tinny group of people. That's can be done pretty easy. To much money involve. Anything can happen. Remember Armstrong.
2014-11-20 04:27
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#378
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Europe AweN^
Im really happy to hear that volvo wants to do something against this workshop/steamcloud cheats, but its still funny cuz Valve doesnt make anything about the public cheats... when you go back to the past, NiP werde the best Team in the World, but now there is a guy names Jesper 'jw' Wecksell that is really sick on lans and online. not only he but what about olofmeister? he did 2jumps shots in arrow thats still funny, I think the only team which is clean now is NiP other teams have something what is a big secret! I hope they cant play in dreamhack with their own accounts. 16 new accounts for everyone in the team. I can tell you how this cheat goes. You only need to Login in your steam account. THATS ALL with new accounts They can't access to the Steam Cloud /workshop Account names for example Ninjas in Pyjamas NiPGTR NiPForest NiPMaikelele NiPXizt NiPFriberg Titan TitanapEX Titankqly TitanKennys Titane6 Titanmaniac and all the other teams with the same stuff..
2014-11-20 05:20
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#379
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Brazil DUZ1
"Though the rumours about Valve and/or organizers knowing about cheating for months are almost certainly made up, as Valve yesterday contacted ESEA to help them catch the workshop cheats, it's still time to take action, now." Valve says: Mates [idiots], buy ESEA.
2014-11-20 05:52
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#381
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India bachaaa
nice read, would read again.
2014-11-20 06:24
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#383
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World Sonyablades
Hire cLy, Emilo, and the FOD they should be great at finding hackers.
2014-11-20 08:12
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#385
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Finland Yupppi
Very well said. I can't but agree with everything except the hardware issues, I'd want to see a fair game gearwise too and that means the gear must work. But that's quite easily managed, ask players to have a backup mouse/keyboard, preferrably even different kind so you wouldn't run into the same driver problems or anything. I hope these suggestions will be taken into action as soon as possible.
2014-11-20 09:37
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#392
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Greece Nukah
E-sports are becoming similar to sports in many more terms now. In the same way athletes use illegal substances to be more competitive, professional gamers use cheats for the same reason. We need to stop thinking "no way X pro player is cheating on CS:GO, he is just really good!". Medals, even world records have been removed many times from famous athletes after detecting illegal drugs in their system. Athletes that you would never expect they use such things. Same goes for fixed matches etc. Bad habits seen in sports follow the growth and development of e-sports, sadly.
2014-11-20 12:00
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#397
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Croatia fum1n
Stop soreading lies about workshop cheats, everyone knows you can't put .exe or .bat in workshop.
2014-11-20 13:03
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#398
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World sekoidd
If you're a PC player who's breaking the rules in Titanfall, you'll still be able play the hit sci-fi FPS. But Respawn's going to put you on a time-out with the other bad kids. maybe this should be implement into MM aswell, let fuckers rank up
2014-11-20 13:34
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#399
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Estonia 2026
Yeah kick all the newcomers and let old players come back in! :D Come 1 day prior to the event and help setting up PCs :D
2014-11-20 13:50
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#400
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United States $hemlenie69
inb4 jw sucks without chlenix
2014-11-20 13:55
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#401
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jackasmo | 
Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
Great article as always! Lets get this all transformed into reality!
2014-11-20 14:29
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#402
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Denmark vnG
Wauw this scene needs a wakeup call. I have been saying this for years, the CS scene is worse than the cycling scene was exposed to be. If people only had a clue about what was going on behind the scenes, they would be amazed. Cheats are such a huge part of everything, including topmatches in major tournaments on LAN. The problem is that if you provide the organizers with the tools to deal with such, they are normally acting exactly as the players - disbelieve and denial.
2014-11-20 14:33
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#405
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United States alterbyme
Always looking out for the scene, Lurppis! Great article! :D
2014-11-20 18:57
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#406
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United States weenus
Even back in the so called glory days of CS and stricter admins, a lot of tournament admins were unpaid, overworked volunteers. Think back to the WSVG events where admins were starting to actually revolt after 10-12 hour shifts without lunch. I saw a number of examples of admins who were basically half asleep and largely disinterested in the setup period before a match. Not sure if those conditions have improved these days outside of the actual groups and companies such as Laurent and ESA.
2014-11-20 20:43
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#409
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World zyzz69
+1
2014-11-21 21:35
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#410
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Finland Oboministre
Just as shit brainwork by lurppis. He isn't the most intelligent guy out there it seems. Never surprises me...
2014-11-22 10:42
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#411
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Israel introwx
Valve have to make a special anti-cheat version ov VAC that is very VERY invasive. Some thing that scan every thing, not like the online vac witch can't because of the law.
2014-11-22 12:37
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#412
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Sweden Archaik
The setup time has been a problem in CS for 15 years. I never understood why CS players need 30 minutes to setup and warm up.
2014-11-22 15:29
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#413
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World Elador
Well I agree with you expect on the warmup stuff. Sure, it should be limited. However, the PCs are provided by the organisers, which is a disadvantage to every player. What if your PC is screwed up because the guy playing prior to you installed some driver (which was legitimate and checked out by admins), but it causes some weird stuff for you and you can't uninstall it, or you did uninstall it, but it's not really gone, etc. You know, this stuff happens all the time. Also, maybe the organisers fucked up the installations on the PCs. That's not unlikely, unfortunately. A good solution would be a clean, new Windows installation for everyone, after every match. That is very doable and not costly. It can be prepared once, and then just cloned onto an SSD in under a few minutes.
2014-11-23 17:20
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#414
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Canada divito
Being an admin back in the day, things were far more locked down, even at more local events and local WCG/CPL qualifiers. If you as an organizer, didn't offer mouse fix, or basic drivers for the hardware of the time, it was just amateur. Given the sophistication of cheats nowadays, I'd almost wonder if going a step further past traditional means would be warranted; along the lines that any keyboard/mouse that has on-board memory is brand new and tournament-provided. Access to the tournament area needs to be restricted, and even admins will need to be vetted a little more carefully for affiliations. Not exactly pleasant things to think about, but I'm sure that Dreamhack will be working hard to limit what they can within reason.
2014-11-24 11:38
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great weiting
2014-11-25 06:20
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