CZ nerfed, train revamped in update

11-12-2014 03:21

Valve has shipped a new update, bringing significant nerfs to the CZ-75, price changes of Desert Eagle and M4A1-S and a completely revamped de_train.

Both the casual community and the professional scene have been calling for CZ-75 nerfs or even its complete removal from the game, in Adam "⁠friberg⁠" Friberg's case.

Valve have had to listen to those for some time now, as the power of the newest pistol has been abused in various aspects of the game, but all that might change with the newest update.

The CZ-75 now only has eight bullets in the magazine with two additional magazines, and both its firing rate and damage have been slightly reduced, according to update notes.

On top of that the prices of M4A1-S and Desert Eagle have been altered, as the primary weapon now costs the same as M4A4, which is $3,100, and the pistol's price was lowered to $700.

de_train was missing from most tournaments' maplists ever since Valve introduced de_cobblestone and de_overpass into the game, and it has now recieved a complete revamp.

The full patch notes can be found below:

[MAPS]

– Reintroduced Train, which has been added to the Operation Vanguard map group (available for free to all CS:GO players).

— For more information, visit www.counter-strike.net/reintroducing_train

[GAMEPLAY]

– CZ75-Auto adjustments

— Magazine size has been reduced to 8 and reserve ammo is now 16 (3 mags total).

— Damage has been reduced slightly.

— Firing rate has been reduced slightly

— The CZ75-Auto takes nearly twice as long to draw, and has an updated draw animation.

— Kill reward is now 1/3.

— Updated the weapon description.

– Increased price of M4A1-S to $3100

– Reduced price of Desert Eagle to $700

– Updated the Tec-9 firing sound.

– Fixed M4A1-S muzzle flash showing through smoke.

– Fixed not being able to defuse the bomb in some cases where it was planted on a ledge and the player attempting to defuse was standing next to it on the ground (e.g. the fountain in Cobblestone).

– Fixed a case on community servers where a player would get income after the first round when they should not.

[UI]

– Team equipment value now correctly accounts for cost of CZ75-Auto and for two flashbangs.

– “Assists” on teammate kills no longer get counted in scoreboard.

– Added some new holiday freeze-cam borders and the holiday cheer has been re-enabled – Happy holidays!

[MISC]

– Gifts have been re-enabled.

– Released a new set of stickers (available now as offers), and put some music kits on sale.

– Fixed a few localization errors

– Fixed a typo in the game mode descriptions.

– Fixed several exploits in the engine.

[MAPS]

Reintroduced Train, which has been added to the Operation Vanguard map group (available for free to all CS:GO players).
For more information, visit www.counter-strike.net/reintroducing_train

[GAMEPLAY]

CZ75-Auto adjustments
- Magazine size has been reduced to 8 and reserve ammo is now 16 (3 mags total).
- Damage has been reduced slightly.
- Firing rate has been reduced slightly
- The CZ75-Auto takes nearly twice as long to draw, and has an updated draw animation.
- Kill reward is now 1/3.
- Updated the weapon description.
Increased price of M4A1-S to $3100
Reduced price of Desert Eagle to $700
Updated the Tec-9 firing sound.
Fixed M4A1-S muzzle flash showing through smoke.
Fixed not being able to defuse the bomb in some cases where it was planted on a ledge and the player attempting to defuse was standing next to it on the ground (e.g. the fountain in Cobblestone).
Fixed a case on community servers where a player would get income after the first round when they should not.

[UI]

Team equipment value now correctly accounts for cost of CZ75-Auto and for two flashbangs.
“Assists” on teammate kills no longer get counted in scoreboard.
Added some new holiday freeze-cam borders and the holiday cheer has been re-enabled – Happy holidays!

[MISC]

Gifts have been re-enabled.
Released a new set of stickers (available now as offers), and put some music kits on sale.
Fixed a few localization errors
Fixed a typo in the game mode descriptions.
Fixed several exploits in the engine.

bye jw

2014-12-11 03:21

47 replies

GG JW and GG LDLC Eco :D

2014-12-11 03:22

18 replies

In my opinion, cz was too nerfed. I agree the firerate, draw time and even the damage, but 8 bullets? Really? Make it 10 at least, jeez.

2014-12-11 05:46

15 replies

Agreed. I guess 8 bullets is still enough. But increase in drawtime and kill bounty reduction is too much nerf. Cz was op coz it was low risk high gain weapon as it was cheap. I would have preferred if it had same stats but with a price tag of 1100 - 1200$ T pistol. That way you could still win eco round easily but with a very high risk especially coz you can't control the distance of engagement and if you lose you will he forced to eco 2 more rounds unless you take that risk again.

2014-12-11 07:39

4 replies

CoD:GO de_MW2

2014-12-11 12:42

LOL please wake up. you cant put a shotgun price on a pistol, pistols are primary used for ecos and shotguns when you force buy. Both are prefered at close combat and if i could afford a Nova there is no was i would get the CT instead.

2014-12-11 16:12

2 replies

I will any day use a CZ over a shotgun...even now. The most illogical thing about this pistol is it has the damage and fire rate of a rifle. So the most logical thing would be to remove it [which is not possible] or nerf the damage[not the fire rate as people will tap with such a small mag]. If valve does that, it will be another useless weapon as all those smgs. The best thing about CZ is it help you win ecos. But the problem is, it is so cheap for a that good weapon, people always buy that and does a lot of damage to the other teams economy. So it should be made a bit more expensive so that people actually take the risk to win an eco. Mark my word, top level players will keep using the CZ.And shotguns? lol...NO.

2014-12-11 18:56

1 reply

Depends how good your aim is, i usually get that headshot and the the next on the second guy. Cz lets you down with the bullets. Never liked it. Now i hate it evwn more. About top players NBK?

2014-12-11 19:47

8 is still two frags...

2014-12-11 07:42

7 replies

Only for top level pros, imo the best nerf should have been: - Damage & Fire Rate Reduced Maybe: - Reduce No. of bullets to 10 Disagree with: - Horribly slow drawing time (or just reduce the drawing time by just a wee bit) - Weapon Kill Reward Amount being reduced (maybe 200 instead of 300 because of the 2nd round force buy issue, but not 100.) I understand the nerf is with regards to the insane CZ+AWP Combo, but you got to admit, those frag highlights were entertaining, so I'd recommend reducing the drawing time of the CZ but not until this extent, in order to preserve some spectator value. :v

2014-12-11 08:22

6 replies

nerfs should be done to please the audience, alright tbh they killed the weapon i think, which is not what they should have done imo nerfing =/= killing

2014-12-11 11:37

5 replies

2014-12-11 12:02

Nerfs should be done to balance the game, not please the audience btw.

2014-12-11 13:59

3 replies

p250 is an ammaaazing pistol, try use that, will make you into better players.

2014-12-11 17:52

2 replies

always had, always will

2014-12-11 18:05

2014-12-11 20:44

did you even play it after the patch?

2014-12-11 09:47

I played it today, and it is clearly so, that the reduced firerate makes it shooting as long again, but you can still full spray, its just not that fast anymore!

2014-12-11 22:40

Bug in new train. It's funny: indavideo.hu/video/Galambok_szarnyan_?ut..

2014-12-11 20:40

1 reply

wow, that was fast :D

2014-12-12 00:28

JW shall rise again as an auto-sniper player.

2014-12-11 03:23

7 replies

hahahahaha +1

2014-12-11 03:37

+ 10000 respect.

2014-12-11 03:49

GOODEST COMMENT 5EVA +9001

2014-12-11 03:52

That's a funny comment even to a 1.6 player like me. +1

2014-12-11 04:33

rofl

2014-12-11 06:32

Why is anyone laughing?

2014-12-11 15:56

2014-12-11 16:09

GG LDLCZ-75.

2014-12-11 05:41

just wanna ppl to see my msg. FUCKIN m4a1-s costs 3100 instead of 2900. and the fuckin bullets and magazines remain the same. FUCKIN RIDICULOUS.

2014-12-11 06:14

7 replies

Retard

2014-12-11 07:56

I agree. In cs future, everyone will be using Famas.

2014-12-11 08:49

1 reply

Only for the two weeks valve decides to make the FAMAS the most op gun in the game. But I agree, FAMAS will be future.

2014-12-11 10:40

You understand they were balancing the 2 ct riffles and making cs less ct sided actually learn what you are talking about before you throw shit out of your mouth

2014-12-11 12:27

3 replies

Economics for ct is so shitty compared to t's. And now you want to make ct's life even harder? TH8 m8 i r8 8/8 no h8

2014-12-11 14:57

2 replies

Because all maps are mostly strongly CT sided, I have to disagree with your opinion

2014-12-11 15:06

Counter strike is ct sided to make it so whoever starts ct doesn't just destroy they have a harder economy

2014-12-11 15:29

based richii

2014-12-11 09:25

Richii faster than CZ

2014-12-11 12:43

1 reply

Valve will nerf me :(

2014-12-11 13:54

rofl, JW agreed that cz should be nerfed or removed, I'm fairly sure he will find other ways. Afterall he was top10 player last year per HLTV.org and it was without cz

2014-12-11 13:20

WHY the fu*k would they rise the m4a1-s to 3100... If they did I really hope they put 30bullets in the magazin if not, LOWER IT AGAIN!

2014-12-11 13:20

2 replies

if you want 30 bullets just buy m4a4. it's that simple.

2014-12-11 23:56

1 reply

and where is the silencer then?

2014-12-12 10:53

die pls

2014-12-11 14:50

2 replies

2014-12-11 14:51

2014-12-11 15:57

RiP CZ-75, RiP M4A1-S, RiP Train, RiP LDLCZ-75

2014-12-11 17:18

RIP LDLC AND JW

2014-12-11 03:21

1 reply

RIP JW, he shall rise as an autosniper. RIP LDLC Eco rushes

2014-12-11 10:15

expected

2014-12-11 03:21

30 replies

expected?

2014-12-11 03:22

23 replies

J1T_T3R?

2014-12-11 03:46

22 replies

Innocent_fr?

2014-12-11 09:40

21 replies

Almoe?

2014-12-11 09:45

20 replies

gilisen<3qK-Mantis?

2014-12-11 10:25

19 replies

yes? KAPPA

2014-12-11 10:29

ama gay?

2014-12-11 11:02

17 replies

BK,ftw?

2014-12-11 11:23

15 replies

wonxeN?

2014-12-11 11:37

14 replies

Taceo?

2014-12-11 11:52

13 replies

starskaj?

2014-12-11 11:59

12 replies

phXcs?

2014-12-11 12:19

phXcs?

2014-12-11 12:23

10 replies

thevk?

2014-12-11 13:01

9 replies

aviSe?

2014-12-11 14:51

8 replies

Pflumi :D?

2014-12-11 15:10

7 replies

turu =D?

2014-12-11 15:18

6 replies

gilisen<3qK-Mantis?

2014-12-11 15:44

5 replies

ripinbeatsnuhabestbestdjever?

2014-12-11 15:49

4 replies

najdson22?

2014-12-11 16:11

2 replies

pls

2014-12-11 17:06

1 reply

2014-12-11 20:36

xa2?

2014-12-11 23:50

are u?

2014-12-12 15:43

valve, right when you don't seem to listen to the community....and have come out with questionable updates....you do something like this...and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!

2014-12-11 09:45

5 replies

Now just to -cobble +train for majors.

2014-12-11 10:41

3 replies

+1 to that

2014-12-11 12:16

1 reply

+999999999

2014-12-11 12:32

2014-12-11 17:42

2014-12-11 12:04

TY GABEN LORD

2014-12-11 03:22

nice

2014-12-11 03:22

Noice Weird seeing them change the m4a1 to 3100

2014-12-11 03:22

41 replies

Probably just because maps are so ct sided and this gun is used by like 80% of pro players.

2014-12-11 03:24

23 replies

Terrible way of making it less CT sided. It has nothing to do with the m4a1 more to do with smokes, pop flashes, and being on defense.

2014-12-11 03:26

22 replies

idd why not change smokes instead?putting them easier to pass by

2014-12-11 03:28

Exactly. AK-47 has always scored more frags than M4A4+M4A1 anyways, despite the game being heavily CT sided.

2014-12-11 03:40

20 replies

I've been calling it this for a while, hopefully it catches on: Counter-Terrorist:Global Defensive :D

2014-12-11 03:58

That's simply because there are way more AWP's bought as CT and more frags made with it than T-side. You don't like to rush with a sniper as T don't you? Ofcourse not!!

2014-12-11 04:03

18 replies

Even if we assume your hypothesis is correct, AWP + M4A1 + M4A4 = 39% of all frags AK47 = 38% of all frags. And you have to consider that being a CT sided game like this is, Terrorists have to do more ecos than CTs, meaning less AKs are bought than M4s over a period of the game. Point being, M4 is already less effective than AK, always has been. That plays nearly no role in the game being CT favored.

2014-12-11 04:11

17 replies

Even if it doesn't change the balance between t and ct the old m4a4 is almost never used anymore. Seems like maybe 1 player per team is still using it. Obviously something isn't balanced between it and the silenced m4a1.

2014-12-11 04:36

3 replies

I agree with the A4/A1-S balance argument. I'm not even debating that. I'm only discussing the impact of this change on T/CT balance in response to #21.

2014-12-11 04:50

2 replies

Makes forcing a little bit harder when you combine this change with the cz change. That and the silenced m4 just make getting kills from odd angles without being traded much easier because of how hard it is to hear.

2014-12-11 04:53

1 reply

Pretty sure it's all to do with the economic system in the game and nothing to do with weapon/side balance.

2014-12-11 10:46

The rounds may be CT sided, but terrorists do not eco more than CTs because T side is cheaper.

2014-12-11 04:40

1 reply

It's cheaper, but you still can't buy at 1400/3300$ after your money gets reset, which happens a lot because CTs win the majority of rounds.

2014-12-11 04:52

>Point being, M4 is already less effective than AK, always has been. Not exactly. The popularity of the AK does not make it a better gun, it just makes it more popular. The M4 is a much better gun in quite a few situations, especially long range.

2014-12-11 12:40

10 replies

As you know AK oneshots people in the head

2014-12-11 13:19

9 replies

Sure, but I guarantee it's easier to just crouch and pull down with a silencer than try and go for a good one click or burst with an ak

2014-12-11 13:45

8 replies

It's not. How do you explain the AK having the same number of frags as the 2 M4 rifles and the AWP combined?

2014-12-11 14:34

7 replies

It absolutely is. That's a pretty objective fact. The m4a1s is extremely easy to use and spray with, not even sure how you can argue that. The AK has more frags than the M4 variants because it's a more popular weapon, which is no doubt, very effective. But it's not "better" than the colt. As for the awp, that's not relevant. It's used by one player at a time in a round generally and sometimes not at all, as opposed to rifles which are the backbone of teams.

2014-12-11 14:53

6 replies

AK is more popular because AWP/AK are only decent weapons on T side.. Show me someone who prefers galil over AK.

2014-12-11 15:05

1 reply

Well, duh, the galil is a worse weapon. I said it's more popular than the colt, which is why it has so many frags, cuz CTs tend to pick it up.

2014-12-11 15:17

Well, genius, if AK is not more effective, why does it have more frags EVEN THOUGH the game is heavily CT biased? Why would the CTs pick up an inferior AK-47 if the colt is better?

2014-12-11 16:58

3 replies

Nice reading comprehension and strawmans, einstein. I already answered your notion like 10 times. BECAUSE IT IS MORE POPULAR. Popularity does not imply superiority in terms of stats. And where did I say the AK was inferior to the colt? I said it's not better nor worse. They each have their perks. Sorry if that's too hard to grasp.

2014-12-11 17:33

1 reply

Well it depends on your level. A pro will pick the ak because for them its better always as it is 1 hit kill over a 2 hit kills. For players who cannot make that count then the m4 is better.

2014-12-12 01:46

more bullets, hard damages. Ak is way more effective than a m4 in almost every situation if can play properly

2014-12-11 17:46

Yeah. Thought the "punish" was the 20 bullets it has...

2014-12-11 04:16

5 replies

Except the punishment isn't making the gun any less popular. Almost no pro players use the m4a4 anymore.

2014-12-11 04:33

4 replies

Yeah i know.. :/ i play with m4a1 myself and simply love it. I try to keep the mindset that i have the 20 bullets, and if i dont get a kill(s), i must work on my aim. :p

2014-12-11 06:14

Was the same on .6 m4a1 with silencer was more played than the m4a1 with no silencer. m4a4 has never been an option for me. they just should remove this ugly rubish weapon from the game and set the m4a1 to how it was and should be

2014-12-11 17:49

2 replies

I would prefer the old m4 from 1.6 but because of skins its not even an option anymore.

2014-12-11 22:55

1 reply

It is though. +silencer for M4a4 Make both behave exactly the same. 30/90 ammo M4a4 damage M4a4 Spread, unaltered by silencer. Faster silencer screwing.

2014-12-12 09:03

It is because 80% of the pros used m4a1 at DHW, so the m4a1 is considered heavily favorable. This change is to re-balance the m4s.

2014-12-11 10:19

7 replies

Thought that was because M4A1-S is more accurate + stealth. Not due to the economics. Personally I have the looks and sound of M4A4 so I can't use it :D

2014-12-11 12:10

4 replies

I secretly hoped for 30 bullet sin the M4A1, I know... UTOPIA. But still, the mistake was two M4's in the first place and now they are forced to balance them GG. In a perfect world we'd have that 1.6 colt back.

2014-12-11 12:55

2 replies

Solution: Make both work like the 1.6 Colt. M4a1 and m4a4 just different skins but same gun.

2014-12-12 09:05

1 reply

They need to hire you at Valve asap. Knowing them they want to force us to choose though, and now we're stuck with those pieces of shit.

2014-12-12 11:20

Well I agree that the reason people tend to choose the a1 over the a4 is because the low amount of ammo doesn't justify low accuracy, recoil, price and stealth. And I don't believe the $200 will change anything.

2014-12-11 13:55

so why they dont lower the price of negev they didnt play it at all. it is shitty logic. they are taking all the fun from this game. nerfing maps for example, its simple, if u have bigger map knowlage u have bigger chance to win. and it should be like that. this game is not only shooting skill but also strategy, map knowlage, team play. if u want just see who has bigger skill in shooting and better reflex make some totaly new maps for next turnaments aim maps should be perfect for u. it would be so entertaining and balanced...

2014-12-11 14:11

1 reply

Firstly Negev and M249 are hard to fit into the competitive play and it could be argued that valve devs do not consider them suitable for competitive play. They are not vital guns while M4a1-S and M4a4 is. Secondly when valve created the m4a1-s they let NiP test it, and to get them to choose it over the m4a4 they had to reduce the price to 2900$. Things have obviously changed and now an average of 4 men on a team use it. So obviously 200$ discount is not necessary any longer. How is that shitty logic?

2014-12-11 19:09

Yeah, you used to get less for less... Now it's less for the same amount of money... Volvo, use your brain pls

2014-12-11 11:02

2 replies

+ silencer and better accuracy. M4a1 still gonna be the main choice for most of the players

2014-12-11 14:38

1 reply

Main reason the a1 was used was because it is cheaper. I think now the amount of players using the a1 will balance more with the a4.

2014-12-12 01:48

omg! :D

2014-12-11 03:22

very nice, will hopefully have an impact on the current ct-side dominance

2014-12-11 03:23

gifstorage.net/news/it_s_happening_isn_t..

2014-12-11 03:23

2 replies

youtube.com/watch?v=vrQFBYgwQW8

2014-12-11 03:47

1 reply

))))

2014-12-11 04:27

dont agree with the changes for m4a1-s

2014-12-11 03:23

8 replies

+1. less ammo - lower cost. now it's equal and it's bs

2014-12-11 03:53

2 replies

Not really, M4a1 is easier to control and the suppressor is also good, i support this

2014-12-11 04:44

The. Biggest difference is the suppressor which is huge. The m4a1-s was used by almost everyone which was not a good thing. The 20 bullet punish didnt work, it only did in the beginning. + m4-s is so easy to control it is a bit easier to burst fire with

2014-12-11 08:45

Map are too CT-sided, it's one of the several way to balance a little more the maps.

2014-12-11 03:53

4 replies

CT-sided maps are nice. I love seeing comebacks

2014-12-11 07:55

3 replies

No, they are boring. Always 12-3 or 13-2 on CT side, win the GR T and it's over. Balanced map are better to see more rounds.

2014-12-11 09:26

1 reply

can't say that 12-3 or 13-2 is a common half-time result. More like 10-5 och 11-4.

2014-12-11 19:03

hahahah. they are obviously boring....

2014-12-11 15:58

Nice!

2014-12-11 03:23

"“Assists” on teammate kills no longer get counted in scoreboard." so what the point now in assists? i dont get

2014-12-11 03:24

5 replies

"On teammate kills" being the important part. So, if you hit your teammate for assist-worthy damage, you won't get an assist if he dies during the round.

2014-12-11 03:27

1 reply

aaaa if u kill teammate, thx my bad

2014-12-11 03:28

the only thing that was removed was the assist you'd get if you shoot your teammate and then he dies to an enemy player (or fall damage)

2014-12-11 03:27

1 reply

(Or a different teammate)

2014-12-11 23:37

Team kill assists doesn't count anymore. You still gain assist by damaging enemies, just not allies.

2014-12-11 03:28

This update... I just had an accident in my pants.

2014-12-11 03:24

2 replies

Look how train looks like now. Amazing! hope it's also playable. They invested so much time and effort into this. geez, keep it up volvo

2014-12-11 04:44

1 reply

I'm newb when it comes to playable maps, but at least Train looks sick !

2014-12-11 05:23

AHAHAAHAHHAHA NOOOOOOOOOO

2014-12-11 03:24

I hoped for the scout to get nerfed as well, higher price, no jump shots etc....still not good enough update to satisfy me, but that train tho!...

2014-12-11 03:24

7 replies

Not higher price just decrease the damage to either be 3 shot or not 80 damage

2014-12-11 03:27

6 replies

I rly dnt care about the damage, I care about how fast you can run and shoot with it and it's so accurate, also jump-shooting, 1.7k...CMON

2014-12-11 03:28

5 replies

if it was 2k or more no one would buy it. Pretty sure everyone agrees on the jump shooting/run shooting. that it needs nerfed doing 80 damage made ecos so easy that you could damage someone to be one-two shot from a pistol

2014-12-11 03:36

4 replies

It used to be 2k and no one used it at this price tag.

2014-12-11 03:41

2 replies

I know and that was my point. the fact is getting one kill on pistol is enough for a scoot. changing it to 2000 no one would use it because you would need 2 kills or to save money on pistol rounds.

2014-12-11 03:43

it wasn't about the price tag... Less damages, no jumpshots.

2014-12-11 18:00

What if it was 1900? So if you got 2 kills instead of 1, you could buy it next round. E: nvm, right after I posted I realized that it's still the same as 2k lol

2014-12-11 13:24

thank god

2014-12-11 03:24

why change m4a1-s? volvo suck

2014-12-11 03:24

3 replies

why does it suck?

2014-12-11 03:30

2 replies

Their cars ain't half bad, OP probably doesn't even have a license.

2014-12-11 03:50

1 reply

:DDDDD

2014-12-11 08:23

Increased price of M4A1-S to $3100?!?!?! ok why? tell me.

2014-12-11 03:25

12 replies

5 times more m4a1s kills than m4a4 at dh and esea

2014-12-11 03:32

No recoil

2014-12-11 03:36

1 reply

no recoil? good.

2014-12-11 03:41

It's as good as the m4a4. Never understood why it was cheaper. Makes it a bargain and yes, 5times more use then a4 at dh.

2014-12-11 03:43

1 reply

A1 is easier to aim with thats why they made it 3100$

2014-12-11 17:32

The game is too CT-sided, it was one way among others to rebalance a little bit the economy.

2014-12-11 03:54

6 replies

this.

2014-12-11 04:11

#26 The extreme CT-sided has nothing to do with the m4a1.

2014-12-11 04:29

4 replies

messing with CT economy will help with the balance

2014-12-11 05:44

3 replies

Not at all. That 200 dollars does not make that much of a difference People use to buy the m4a4 mostly and it didn't really change much besides maybe one less flash or famas. CT sided due to other things not the price of the rifles.

2014-12-11 05:48

2 replies

if you consider one less flash for each rifler most buy rounds of ct side, say maybe 5-6 rounds-- that combined across 3-4 teammates could be a difference of 15-20+ flashes throughout a single half only on some of the most critical rounds

2014-12-11 06:18

1 reply

also makes people have to use the famas more. It was SO often that you had money for m4a1 + armor +(nade you need), but not m4a4. Now you will have to use the famas if you want more nades :D(or eco, or anything)

2014-12-11 20:23

hope new train is good, i miss train in professional play

2014-12-11 03:26

So they removed all Cyrillic text in de_train? No longer a CIS map?

2014-12-11 03:26

5 replies

Look at B site, mate.

2014-12-11 03:30

4 replies

education is not anybodys friend :D

2014-12-11 12:14

3 replies

In Germany. Rough past? History class must be awkward.

2014-12-11 23:43

2 replies

why? cuz 2 generations ago people screwed up things? :D that's not my problem

2014-12-12 15:06

1 reply

Y u hef 2 h8 educ8tion then?

2014-12-12 23:12

2014-12-11 03:27

Yeah destroy Train, sims to me like i am playing brink now.

2014-12-11 03:27

vavle is shit , why increase m4a1s price? wtf!!!!!! who's gonna use this? and i download the update , new train seems like shit , like another overpass fuuuuuuuuuuuuu

2014-12-11 03:27

5 replies

Because the M4A1-S was clearly being used to much compared to the regular M4.

2014-12-11 09:01

2 replies

m4a4 is a shitty weapon that's why. u could lower his price to 2k7 and let the m4a1 to 3100 people whould still use the m4a1. What they did is stupid. 3100 should be 30+90 or atleast 25+75

2014-12-11 18:05

1 reply

If you would lower the price on the M4A4 you would make the game even more CT sided, since it would enable the CT's to force buy easier, like the T's are able to do now with light AK buys.

2014-12-11 21:05

uhhh, no.

2014-12-11 09:21

never go full HLTV

2014-12-11 17:19

best update

2014-12-11 03:28

expected

2014-12-11 03:28

thank you valve. holy shit. Also this train is already 100x better than old csgo train.

2014-12-11 03:28

4 replies

why is it better?

2014-12-11 03:29

3 replies

Much more balanced. Outside will be 10x easier for Ts to take.

2014-12-11 03:49

more open so better t sides

2014-12-11 03:50

It's new :D

2014-12-11 03:54

NICE TY GABEN

2014-12-11 03:29

Thank god/gaben for the increased price of the m4a1-s, always hated that gun.

2014-12-11 03:29

I remember how much overreaction there was the last time the CZ was nerfed.

2014-12-11 03:29

explain me please what is this thing? Fixed M4A1-S muzzle flash showing through smoke.

2014-12-11 03:30

4 replies

Before when a CT starts randomly shooting at smoke, the terrorist on the other end can see little flashes from the silencer, so they'd shoot the light and it'd kill the CT.

2014-12-11 03:33

1 reply

thanks dude i thought it's like a normal thing

2014-12-11 03:38

There was a bug in which you could see the guy firing his M4A1-S behind the smoke.

2014-12-11 03:38

1 reply

thank you too

2014-12-11 03:42

It was time this happened

2014-12-11 03:30

Good update ! :D

2014-12-11 03:30

Byebye JW and fnatic era.

2014-12-11 03:30

new train looks really good imo.

2014-12-11 03:31

I think this was friberg's update because he doesn't like the cz and he uses the m4a4 and the deagle

2014-12-11 03:31

4 replies

LOLOL +1337

2014-12-11 03:42

2014-12-11 03:44

2014-12-11 07:53

2014-12-11 14:00

so what the fuck is the point of buying a a1-s when it does nothing but have ten less bullets?

2014-12-11 03:32

20 replies

and does slightly more damage and is more accurate.... and silenced. Thats the point.

2014-12-11 03:37

It's still silenced, I don't think it was used that much more over A4 just because of the $200 difference, but I guess time will tell

2014-12-11 03:38

2 replies

Actually one of the exact reasons I was using it was the price difference to the a4, so many more opportunities with one more flash in the arsenal.

2014-12-11 07:45

1 reply

2014-12-11 13:07

If you have good aim and control, m4a1s is just the better weapon.

2014-12-11 03:51

15 replies

So Get_right and a bunch of other top players who use A4 have bad aim or what? Always thought that it is a matter of preference.

2014-12-11 03:57

9 replies

Some spots CTs hold are easily rushed by Ts, with no where to fall back and reload in time, this is why they use it. M4a1-s always better long range though.

2014-12-11 04:10

M4A4 - sprays, wallbang shooting, agressive play, good vs rushing enemies (especially eco rounds) M4A1 - aim control, camping, defensive play.

2014-12-11 04:12

gtr has been using the a1 quite a lot lately actually.

2014-12-11 06:48

get right has bad aim for a pro player, yes

2014-12-11 11:16

5 replies

kappa

2014-12-11 14:01

4 replies

not kappa. had a retard in mm call me a "hacker with gtr aim" the other day. so retarded since his aim isn't amazing compared to many others. christopher is just an example of a guy with little natural talent who compensated by practicing harder and smarter than everyone else to even the playing field. but perfect aim cant be trained ;)

2014-12-11 16:03

3 replies

oh, now I get what you said before, but I still think he got a talent though :P

2014-12-11 16:47

he often outsmarts the opponents :D

2014-12-11 16:47

GTR doesn't have bad aim for a pro player. He has average HS%, good spray control, and a highlight reel of 1vX clutches with low HP. That's not purely do to positioning, when you're playing another top tier team you can't out-position them so thoroughly you can 1v5 them without winning straight up duels. He may not be the best aimer in the scene but to call his aim bad is plain wrong. Also it's hard to talk about natural talent when most of these guys have 10k hours across CS games. Does swag have amazing natural talent? He's only 17 (18 now maybe?). Oh, and he also has over 9 thousand hours in 1.6 and like 3k in CS:GO. The day you see someone come into the CS:GO pro scene and rek people having never played another CS game, or any other similar style shooter at a high level before, is when you can start talking about natural talent. The greatest players have both natural talent and an enormous work ethic.

2014-12-12 14:52

u tapping player > m4a1s ( f0rest scream ) u spraying player > m4a4 ( gtr )

2014-12-11 04:07

3 replies

they are gods with these guns)

2014-12-11 04:14

2 replies

You can tap with m4a4 aswell.. It feels same for me

2014-12-11 09:00

1 reply

m4a4 1 tap feels like an AKs for me

2014-12-11 14:02

even if you don't have either, it's a better weapon. the worse you are overall, the better it is for you compared to a4.

2014-12-11 16:01

Need to play train, but for what I've seen so far it looks decent. cz nerf is a present from god. deagle price decease is amazing. m4a1-s should balance the usage of the gun, people were using it more because of the free smoke instead of the actual benefits from the gun itself. Now it will come down to personal preference. And the best thing: NO MASKS FOR HOLIDAY \o/

2014-12-11 03:33

1 reply

A site is fkn retarded ct's can get Molotov easily since there isn't much spots u can place yourself in.

2014-12-11 05:31

Train looks much more ct side now

2014-12-11 03:35

5 replies

Really? To me it actually looks 60 CT 40 T.

2014-12-11 03:50

4 replies

nah man its 59ct 41t ,, confirmed

2014-12-11 04:48

1 reply

69CT 420T m8

2014-12-11 23:35

+1 looks way more balanced than it was before IMO

2014-12-11 17:48

1 reply

2014-12-11 23:34

old train better

2014-12-11 03:35

6 replies

nah

2014-12-11 05:28

5 replies

old train is way better.. new one is kinda jank. hope it grows on me im a train lover for sure

2014-12-11 06:02

4 replies

Too many distractions on the map, which I hate... it givs me a CoD feel. Just... plain, please.. no need for fancy stuff.

2014-12-11 13:10

3 replies

Typical CSGO clutter. Y u hef to put litteral garbage everywhere Volvo.

2014-12-11 23:53

2 replies

Especially when you are someone that's easily distracted, fucking hell it's why the new season is just unplayable IMO. It's no surprise especially considering howmany players turn down their res and graphical settings, and not only to boost FPS, just getting rid of all the crap and actually seeing shit clearly.

2014-12-11 23:56

1 reply

yea i play on lowest because of this. i already have pretty poor vision so with all the shit everywhere the game is unplayable on high

2014-12-12 01:36

whyerino Valve

2014-12-11 03:35

great update

2014-12-11 03:36

Train should be as it was on 1.6

2014-12-11 03:37

THANK YOU VALVE, for the first time thank you!

2014-12-11 03:38

Jw will retire.

2014-12-11 03:38

no pop dog anymore :(

2014-12-11 03:38

1 reply

Still there :) there's a little popdog logo inside the fencing where the original popdog train was. Valve cares :,)

2014-12-11 06:17

The fact that the m4a1-s costs 3100 is gonna change a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooot. Wtf was the point with that? the cz nerf is understandable but now everyone might aswell buy m4a4s

2014-12-11 03:39

6 replies

The fact that the m4a1-s costs 3100 is gonna change a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooot. doubt it will change anything, m4a1 still superior imo

2014-12-11 03:42

2 replies

It's superior, yes. But when it comes to the economy this can change alot. Those 200 bux is a flashbang, potential kit or even helm. We will see, gonna be more and more famases inc lol.

2014-12-11 03:52

1 reply

maps are ct sided enough already. Any small changes to help this are good.

2014-12-11 05:08

How can you say what is the point? The question was, what was the point of it being cheaper in the 1st place?

2014-12-11 04:12

2 replies

The point was way less bullets.

2014-12-11 18:12

1 reply

But the reduced recoil compensates enough for that alone. Time will tell. But currently A4 is hardly used.

2014-12-11 21:36

Train looks so sexy

2014-12-11 03:39

BEST UPDATE IN A WHILE

2014-12-11 03:42

I think the cz was op, but damn they went a bit too hard on the nerf. The kill reward change is dumb, and so is the damage reduction.

2014-12-11 03:43

7 replies

cz is actually still a decent weapon but not overpowered. I think they did it right.

2014-12-11 03:43

I personally think it is the correct move to nerf it heavily. It was making the game ridiculous. I'm looking forward to seeing P250 armour/ 57 armour buys on second round as CT now.

2014-12-11 03:44

LOL

2014-12-11 03:50

2 replies

troll

2014-12-11 03:53

Opinions on new train?

2014-12-11 04:27

+1, they should take away 1 or 2 of the nerfs (i.e. draw animation, kill reward nerf)

2014-12-11 07:37

i agree, we all wanted these changes but not all of them at once

2014-12-11 11:18

where are holiday masks??? i want santa masks, reindeer hats and something funny like beard and i wan dust 2 to become snow maps /s

2014-12-11 03:43

And contraband griffin? :'(

2014-12-11 03:45

can't yet tell if this will be the nerf that fixes CSGO. next LDLC match will tell

2014-12-11 03:46

CZ is now ruined!!!!!!!!! Thank you based gaben :(

2014-12-11 03:46

give me popdog or give me death

2014-12-11 03:46

I dont understand why they would touch the m4-S there was nothing wrong with it... fuck you volvo

2014-12-11 03:47

1 reply

oh really? look at stats for last 2-3 csgo tournaments....iirc it was like 6% A4 kills and 90% M4A1-S kills on CT side

2014-12-11 03:49

I don't think anyone asked to mess with the m4a1-s. VOLVO TARDS?

2014-12-11 03:47

TY GABEN

2014-12-11 03:50

why change the m4a1-s?

2014-12-11 03:50

the reason the gun was accepted was because nip asked for it to be lower ffs volvo

2014-12-11 03:50

just remove the damn CZ lol.

2014-12-11 03:51

much better train. sorry its not as pretty for the casual kids.

2014-12-11 03:51

3 replies

It's way prettier than the previous version of Train though.

2014-12-11 03:53

lol?

2014-12-11 03:57

yea I miss little ponies and rainbows. :(

2014-12-11 04:01

cz so useless now :D

2014-12-11 03:52

jesus christ they ruined train

2014-12-11 03:54

1 reply

it looks much better now both gameplay wise and visually

2014-12-11 04:50

NiP top 1 now

2014-12-11 03:56

new train is pretty nice for MM now

2014-12-11 03:57

how can I play train without buying vanguard shit for almost 5€?

2014-12-11 03:57

5 replies

by playing? you dont need vanguard to play season, facade, bazaar neither.

2014-12-11 03:59

4 replies

thx normally I don't play 3rd wold maps

2014-12-11 04:18

3 replies

bcuz u live in 3rd world?

2014-12-11 04:20

LOL

2014-12-11 04:21

never go full retard

2014-12-11 14:07

NICE! Train alive again! :3 <333333333333333

2014-12-11 03:57

Few things- 1. Wtf they destroyed a perfectly good map. I never heard anyone say: "Hey, Valve really needs to revamp de_train!" 2. I agree the CZ should have been nerfed, but I think 10 bullets is better, 8 isn't enough.

2014-12-11 03:57

6 replies

1. Everyone hated CSGO train 2. Fck the cz

2014-12-11 04:14

1 reply

1. +1 2. +1

2014-12-11 04:20

oldest train was garbage volcano train was garbage old train was garbage newest train looks decent train was almost never played and people were asking for changes, how did they ruin it?

2014-12-11 04:52

2 replies

train was a great map.. i liked all of the iterations.

2014-12-11 06:05

1 reply

It doesn't matter what you like or don't like. The thing that matters is what's played competitively.

2014-12-11 11:51

1. I guess you didn't listen :) 2. lol

2014-12-11 06:02

I have a stiffy right now for train edit: rip ldlc, no more baguette chaux croistilliant fromage fondue, NiP #1

2014-12-11 03:58

1 reply

LOL +1 at last sentence.

2014-12-11 07:57

TF2 map creators creating CS maps. sick to my stomach right now.

2014-12-11 03:58

Train looks alot nicer on pics than ingame, the colour choices in some places make it look like some cheap PointBlank or whatever map.

2014-12-11 04:00

Good job! now lets see this train! I hope it work... JUST AS season worked... Oh wait!? IT DIDNT WORK! as any update that u do. Oh and i almost forgot that Terrorist have to buy defusers Too! Good Balance on the $ side... and btw i love that about the holidays! Just what we need! more marketing! :D gotta love this! they r the worst enterprise ever with the best quality games. Your administration and model business is JUST BAD! Bad as a silver 1 (No offense silvers). Get some global elite workers :)!... ok im done.

2014-12-11 04:01

4 replies

terrorists have to buy defusers too? Are you high?

2014-12-11 04:17

2 replies

He's being sarcastic. Who's high now?

2014-12-11 07:46

1 reply

no he's being dumb

2014-12-11 16:34

are you retarded?

2014-12-11 04:52

the nerf on the cz is pretty huge. less bullets, less damage, lower fire rate, twice slower to draw. That's quite a lot, but hey if that gun was removed all along I'd be fine. Back to winning most anti-eco rounds now.

2014-12-11 04:02

I KNEW IT 8/16 CZ MAG CAP. Was too easy to predict that. On another note, fuck the new Train. Holy shit, not every map has to look like futuristic sci-fi bullshit. Old Season was fine, but no, lets make it this disgusting green and white combo. The new train is nothing like old train, no personality. The map is officially dead.

2014-12-11 04:09

2 replies

It's not futuristic, it's modern.

2014-12-11 04:17

Stop living in the fucking past of 1.6 everybody has moved on, you should aswell. Its a new fucking game in proportion of 70 80%. The map is really good looking actually.

2014-12-11 04:39

rip jw-75

2014-12-11 04:06

everything would be great if they add one more ammo clip to m4a1-s, after increasing price :((

2014-12-11 04:06

Worst competitive map ever aka train is back I guess. Still I'd rather see season over it.

2014-12-11 04:06

4 replies

Agreed. The new look of Train is amazing but I'm sure it still plays like ass.

2014-12-11 04:12

3 replies

I also think that they did an amazing job with the new design. But this map has always been bad competitively. On css, this was literally a shit map and everybody would agree. I don't know how you people from 1.6 liked it though. They removed the map from the mappool for a reason, even though cobblestone is not a great replacement, I can think of 2 better maps at least to replace it (season and mill/tuscan). I was so happy when they removed it haha.

2014-12-11 04:19

2 replies

I hated the go and css versions because of all the useless barrels and small cracks under the trains and between the bars. Was my favorite map in 1.6.

2014-12-11 05:02

1 reply

map was AWESOME in 1.6... especially for awpers

2014-12-11 06:07

so bad

2014-12-11 04:09

i.imgur.com/7drHiqrh.jpg

2014-12-11 04:10

train "A" look sooo wide open!

2014-12-11 04:10

1 reply

+ which means less ct sided now :D

2014-12-11 05:15

solid map i.imgur.com/p1XA4ZS.jpg

2014-12-11 04:14

3 replies

Ridiculous, how can Valve even live with themselves with game breaking glitches like that on day 1.

2014-12-11 04:22

i wonder what fnatic thinks about that

2014-12-11 07:23

DM server? glitch spawn? bitch pls

2014-12-11 10:56

rip value on all cz skins. good thing i offloaded all my expensive ones.

2014-12-11 04:15

thx friberg new train looks ugly :\

2014-12-11 04:16

“Assists” on teammate kills no longer get counted in scoreboard. Amazing. Only took them two years to fix. CZ nerf, finally. Only took half a year or so. Now we only have 3 more overpovered pistols in the game. Goddamit, there must be one mentally challenged developer behind this game, working on his own...

2014-12-11 04:18

one more ammo clip for m4a1s pls volvo

2014-12-11 04:19

Very good changes, CZ and m4a1 needed that. No more triple kills with the cz; and m4a1 will rebalance the game a bit in favor of T's. And good for the deagle.

2014-12-11 04:20

m4a1 20/60 would be sick

2014-12-11 04:20

2 replies

yea that will be good. this is bs.. increase value but no ammo. useless gun :D everyone start play m4a4 again as in beta :)

2014-12-11 09:06

1 reply

no, simply cause m4a4 looks shit, and m4a4 skins are shit, i will stay with my stattrak cyrex no matter how much will it cost in game

2014-12-11 09:50

"Fixed several exploits in the engine." New VACations soon?

2014-12-11 04:21

train is the worst map ever, moving main entrance to T base and removing tower how stupid is that?

2014-12-11 04:21

RIP CZ

2014-12-11 04:24

Goodbye JW, Goodbye LDLCZ-75, kennyS just got a buff.

2014-12-11 04:25

Inb4 fnatic finds a way to boost on the crane in de_Train :D

2014-12-11 04:25

LMAO

2014-12-11 04:26

i really didnt like the visual of new train, the old was much better. but whatever, lets play and see.

2014-12-11 04:27

We want TUSCAN! Please!

2014-12-11 04:27

1 reply

go ask brute, valve has nothing to do with it

2014-12-11 04:54

Fantastic update, finally CZ nerfed

2014-12-11 04:28

Just did a couple of Valve DM's. CZ is still an autopistol and it's still ludicrous at contact distance, which is easy enough to do on every map.

2014-12-11 04:29

cz-75 OP to pure shit in just 1 patch

2014-12-11 04:31

1 reply

2014-12-11 15:37

JW top 20 again! Welcome to the without CZ! HAhahahahah

2014-12-11 04:33

1 reply

2014-12-11 08:28

WE WILL SEE TRAIN ON BIG TORNAMENTS FOR NOW ON. The map is really balanced now. If you take some minutes on it you will see what i'm talking about. There are some windows in house from where you can throw flashes and smoke into the site on B or A. It will be a really fun map. Teams need to make some good strats on it.

2014-12-11 04:33

What's with volvo and soviet ensignia fcking hell. What's next a map called de_Stalin_saviorofhumanity ?

2014-12-11 04:37

Train is worse than mirage. what the fuck

2014-12-11 04:41

Train is literally the biggest pile of absolute dogshit I've ever played in my entire fucking life. Holy shit it's bad, good god have mercy.

2014-12-11 04:42

Haha i play one mm on train now, gues what? one cheater, he knows every single new spot, dont matter where you hidin, he just know, tanks valve this game dont need anticheater, just need this cristmas bullshit.

2014-12-11 04:44

Now decrease the price of a4 to 2900 instead. The gun is so fucking underpowered compared to a1

2014-12-11 04:46

now that the m4a1-s costs the same as the m4a4, can it get 20 more bullets so that it's 20/60 and on par with the m4a4?

2014-12-11 04:49

2 replies

even with the same price and the current amount of bullets, the A1 is still better

2014-12-11 05:16

and you want a 10x scope and increased fire rate right? m4a4 needs to be 3000 to be worthy to buy over the still OP m4a1s

2014-12-11 08:31

Reduced price of Desert Eagle to $700 Friberg is happy.

2014-12-11 04:54

so eco round now its eco ^^

2014-12-11 04:57

i need CZ back!!!! no no no!! how to play eco round now?

2014-12-11 05:02

Ok The M4a1 thingy is stupid as hell, we still have way less bullets for it so why should it cost so much more. and Train looks like a TF2 map like wtf

2014-12-11 05:02

1 reply

They can't just remove one bcuz of skinz

2014-12-11 05:06

good thing i stopped using m4a1

2014-12-11 05:05

this map very bad(

2014-12-11 05:12

GREATEST TIME OF MY LIFE

2014-12-11 05:23

train so T sided

2014-12-11 05:30

i will not play train unless we can crouch and go below trains

2014-12-11 05:31

Gameplay? youtube.com/watch?v=7o2nG3h_HU8&feature=..

2014-12-11 05:37

: The nerf on the cz was expected : nerf on m4a1-s no one asked for it but i guess you want more people to use a4 : New train B site is better then the old one especially the wider lower passage + nerf on spots were ct awp could be safe : A site is a total ball of shit imo to many few spots for cts to take position easily molotoved by T's :popdog is non-existent no cover has to be smoked by t's to acsess a site :boost spot on a site is retarded overall map will play better then the ct fest it was before but it's still a mess

2014-12-11 05:42

wtf rip

2014-12-11 05:43

Why the hell would you remove the pop dog train on A site? omfg

2014-12-11 06:01

hahahah fail volvo...

2014-12-11 06:08

This train is very similar with CZ(condition zero) revamping style. I love it.

2014-12-11 06:10

are these going to affect ESL pro?

2014-12-11 06:14

RIP LDLC eco :D

2014-12-11 06:17

they dont even buff m4a1's magazine wow

2014-12-11 06:23

huge

2014-12-11 06:28

bad update for CZ ... u made RIP that gun . plz re- update again

2014-12-11 06:29

New train looks like a tf2 map. :D

2014-12-11 06:34

ty based gaben

2014-12-11 06:40

i heard cz is more op now LOL :D

2014-12-11 06:41

Looks like five-seven is back on the menu boys!!

2014-12-11 06:41

I feel so goodeleleleleelee.

2014-12-11 06:43

CZ nerf and new stickers in honor of JW csgostash.com/img/stickers/t194.png

2014-12-11 06:45

Wtf happaned to Train? :D

2014-12-11 06:47

olof find new boost on train.

2014-12-11 06:57

Nooo M4 :/

2014-12-11 06:58

m4a1 $3,100?!?! noooooo. Train looks sick.

2014-12-11 07:05

great update

2014-12-11 07:07

few changes like in 1.6

2014-12-11 07:08

They need to add another mag on the A1. I really doubt people will use the A1 now since the price is same. The only reason I used the A1 was because it was 2900 compared to the A4 which costed 3100. Dont really see a reason to use the A1 now unless you're f0rest.

2014-12-11 07:12

2 replies

Still silenced, with better spray and accuracy?

2014-12-11 07:16

1 reply

2014-12-11 07:32

Rip jw dominance

2014-12-11 07:13

volvo <33

2014-12-11 07:14

Train <3 WelcomeBack buddy

2014-12-11 07:14

the new train look like gotham city

2014-12-11 07:16

1 reply

+111

2014-12-11 09:18

M4A1S = M4A4 ... no gaben ...

2014-12-11 07:19

People complaining about M4A1-S price increase - don't forget that A1-S is 'easier' weapon than A4 (less recoil, supressor, no muzzle flash), and if they would add another magazine - A4 probably would be less used than shotguns IMO. CZ - finally someone took care of this

2014-12-11 07:32

Omg. cs go developers don't choose easiest way, they choose the hardest. Why simply don't change the damage of cz-75? Make like glock-18. And don't take ammo capacity. New train looks awesome. But why don't change deagle? Make it more accuracy. Make it less random.

2014-12-11 07:33

FFS just give 1.6 de_train please.

2014-12-11 07:47

more like reintroduced de_trash.... gg de_train

2014-12-11 07:49

Thank god they updated train. Now update D2. Worst map ever. such a joke its so popular. cz should have stayed the same, Just Not allowed at events. Us MM players need it toooooooooo

2014-12-11 07:51

1 reply

rofl gtfo newfag

2014-12-11 15:51

3100 for m4? cheering strong ct side teams

2014-12-11 07:51

bye train, welcome volvoshit

2014-12-11 07:56

Help me any1,how much is this?: Kill reward is now 1/3.

2014-12-11 07:59

what the fuck is this new train? removed everything and added shitload of useless shits,broken windows,more offices,removing line 5 adding shitty trains with more useless shits on them. 100 fps with i5+windforce soon atleast let us go under trains mother fuckers!

2014-12-11 08:01

Good changes imho, cant wait to test the new Train!

2014-12-11 08:06

[MAPS] Reintroduced Train, which has been added to the Operation Vanguard map group (available for free to all CS:GO players). Also added birds that can fly you out of the map.

2014-12-11 08:09

Gotta test if cz nerf is enough. It fixes ecos a bit, but dunno about peeking corners.

2014-12-11 08:14

train_ve is still better than this ruined bullshit for kids.

2014-12-11 08:17

Fix it.. youtube.com/watch?v=D98ojV-Hrq4

2014-12-11 08:17

now we can see again some skills with pistols in general not cz:rounds

2014-12-11 08:17

wtf 3100 for 20 bullets m4a1? :D when you can buy other with 30 bullets???

2014-12-11 08:19

1 reply

20 bullets yeah, and silencer, and less recoil.. well i'd say it's balanced now.

2014-12-11 16:17

Increased price of M4A1-S to $3100 Stupid. I don't get what they're trying to do. As if the fact that now you can't see the muzzle flash in the smokes could compensate for that... Can't they stop messing with what works fine? Jesus. “Assists” on teammate kills no longer get counted in scoreboard. Also stupid. An assist means you played some part in the round, and should be counted as such, there's no reason to take assists off, it'll only encourage people to hunt frags even more.

2014-12-11 08:20

5 replies

The assists part meant, that if you do 50 dmg on teammate and teammate got killed, you get assist. So not so stupid to take that off right?

2014-12-11 08:47

4 replies

Actually the smart thing to do is to lower your assist score if you deal enough damage to your friendlies.

2014-12-11 08:49

2 replies

nah thats stupid just like losing a kill when you get a teamkill is i mean why should my kpd suffer if a dude with 5 hp runs accross my spray?

2014-12-11 09:11

1 reply

Ofc it is stupid, bot we do loose "kills" if we kill a teammate, don't we? ;) So it should be just pewrfectly fine to loose assist as well. Even though i would rather see them remove the damn minus kills for killing teammates, it is just stupid.

2014-12-11 10:17

Oh, I misread that then. But if killing a teammate gives -1 frag, assist on a teammate should give -1 assist. Anyway, giving 0 is still better than giving 1 I guess.

2014-12-11 09:01

Am I the only one who wants the Elites from CSS back?

2014-12-11 08:24

cz should been moved to smg's

2014-12-11 08:26

rip hiding in toilets

2014-12-11 08:27

some player complain, valve do nothing someone of nip complain, valve nerf or remove valve=nip fanboyz

2014-12-11 08:29

1 reply

+75

2014-12-11 09:09

okay, nice, damage decreased, fire rate decreased, magazine hugely decreased, money won hugely decreased... volvo, one thing is to nerf it to make it according to the rest of handguns and another is to make impossible to kill with it

2014-12-11 08:29

CZ era is over, it's time for deagle.. RUSSIAN DEAGLE ERA INCOMING!

2014-12-11 08:39

3 replies

YES - Improve Deagle and remove this fucking ez75-auto

2014-12-11 13:51

i just remember EDIK's deag, when he played for m5)

2014-12-11 14:22

1 reply

For some reason all the teams from our part of europe were decent with deagles, maybe it's a matter of slavic dna :> and on a srs note, good to see some changes.

2014-12-11 16:41

Best update ever, except for the part with the m4a1-s... I gotta practice some Famas now....

2014-12-11 08:44

+1 Best update, good nerf, train is awesome now, and m4a1-s is the only thing im not shure about. Ty GabeN

2014-12-11 08:46

Firing rate has been reduced slightly The CZ75-Auto takes nearly twice as long to draw, and has an updated draw animation. Those two alone would've been enough. In any case, at least they listened, and its not OP anymore.

2014-12-11 08:46

stupid volvo, make your mom cost 3100$ who creates this updates ? I think they didnt ask the community

2014-12-11 08:47

6 replies

so you think they should listen a random russian dude who's behaviour is similar to braindead monkey?

2014-12-11 08:51

5 replies

At first I didnt mean myself, may be pro players can help them. At second, you can come here, and tell me something about "how am I similar to braindead monkey" and we will see what happens, finnish internet hero

2014-12-11 09:27

4 replies

and they are listening proplayers since they just nerfed CZ75, no? they just re-newed train which is now better than earlier, ofcourse it cant be 100% competitive since the most of Valve's revenue comes from casual, public players? dont hesitate to use your brains next time you want to write a comment like that "make your mom cost 3100$". thats just typical russian non-sense in internet. i dont want to come to Russia. theres nothing i could possibly imagine doing in Russia. a land full of that kind of people... no no no

2014-12-11 11:00

3 replies

haha yes, in this case you dont use you brains, talking about Russians, Russians and Russians again... look at all community! when I play MM, there is always someone from random country, who is talking shit, which behaivor as u said "similar to monkey" but u trust that all of them are Russians... yes, than bigger country, than more idiots in it what can I do

2014-12-11 17:54

2 replies

actually i am using my brains. propably the main reason why i'm (or every one else) talking like that about russian people is that in every game, no matter if its dota2 or CS, 99% of people who behave like that is from russia. sure, bigger country, more idiots - but there should be more smart people too? sadly i havent met any smart russian. even your president is brainless as fuck.

2014-12-12 14:18

1 reply

Cause any smart guys dont play cs:go or dota or any computer game. And if u want to know, I dont support our president. Also dont understand why everyone try to compare simple people with president. We cant change anything in politics.

2014-12-12 17:06

RIP M4A1

2014-12-11 08:54

train CT spawn on open rofl

2014-12-11 08:56

all you retards complaining about the A1 price, did you even check the stats on that weapon? do you have any idea how much more powerful it is in than the A4?

2014-12-11 08:58

1. Changes in CZ,DGL - GREAT, Thank You :D 2. Changes in m4 - nice move to balance sides :) 3. Changes in Train - are u kiddng me? :/ Not that I loved CSGO version but cmon... new one is not better and changes too much in "old train spirit". Glitches are just minor problem (they will fix them soon).

2014-12-11 08:59

jw will come back much stronger

2014-12-11 09:00

one nerf at a time would be sufficient... oh and now valve completely killed the spirit of de_train

2014-12-11 09:04

STUPID AND RETARD VALVE. now this game is suck, really fucking suck.

2014-12-11 09:05

"Fixed several exploits in the engine." prbly best thing about the update ! :)

2014-12-11 09:05

Why didnt they swap the prizes? It makes more sence, than put them on the same line and expect that m4a4 will be played more now. There will be still silencer's dominance.

2014-12-11 09:08

Great updates! Guess it will take some time to see how it all will pan out, but I think at least that the CZ nerf and the train revamp will prove to be solid changes.

2014-12-11 09:08

Beautiful updates...now finally the cz n00bs will be silenced. On top of this I like every single update. Well, not entirely sure about train but who knows it might prove to be a better map now. It just feels so "global offensive" now with shit literally everywhere being in the way.

2014-12-11 09:23

Stamp it to the ground! NERF NERF NERF

2014-12-11 09:16

Cya LDLC.

2014-12-11 09:17

rip jw :D

2014-12-11 09:17

Train is gonna be so good :D But I need CZ :(

2014-12-11 09:24

good update but 3100$ m4a1s? wtf?

2014-12-11 09:30

So I can already see how Train is going to play out. Both sites are very limited with decent CT positions now. Going close particularly on outside is going to be almost assured suicide due to this the game from CTs end is going to be very passive trying to get a pick off through smoke or something when they rush lower or outer and plant. Both sites feel like they will play out like mirage A site where the Ts will smoke in and the CTs will just give them the site and play retake knowing they have limited good after plant positions. Ivy peak should probably come back in some form. CTs will never get cutout now because a T awper will just lock it down at the start of every round. Also a T can easily get there now with almost zero threat. Edit: run distance seems like CTs might be able to get into cutout without being seen from T mid. Not 100% sure but even if so cutout is virtually useless now, you cannot cover anything from there without putting yourself in the wide open. Map is just one big DM fest for pub /scrims and probably one boring retake scenario on the pro scene. lame lame lame.

2014-12-11 09:34

Big thanks to Valve for this. Seriously guys, it's great you are listening to what your community says.

2014-12-11 09:32

Amazing update!

2014-12-11 09:33

Train looks horrible, valve still failing to realize that it's not clutter and details that make a map good

2014-12-11 09:34

haven't tested yet but this seems to be an amazing update! train looks great! i'm not a fan of the cluttered maps but i'm ok with it if it works otherwise.

2014-12-11 09:42

IS THIS REAL LIFE?

2014-12-11 09:44

a good update ? finally i see a good update ? that can't be real !

2014-12-11 09:49

1 reply

+1 lel

2014-12-11 15:03

ty for train ty valve ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty t y ty ty ty ty ty ty t y ty ty t yt yt t yt yt yty my favorite map is back TY !!!!!

2014-12-11 09:53

Since the price is the same... why there's 2 different weapon ? The old m4 was fine... some people played with and some other without the silencer..

2014-12-11 09:57

2 replies

So if bottled water and beer had the same price, they should just sell the water?! LOL

2014-12-11 17:20

1 reply

Wow... stupid reply there.

2014-12-11 17:45

10/10 update , gj volvo

2014-12-11 10:00

this is good update

2014-12-11 10:00

ty cryberg

2014-12-11 10:01

train =DDDD i dont even

2014-12-11 10:02

Best update in a while!

2014-12-11 10:03

Splendid! Now, just fix the jump accuracy from scout, and we will be fine.

2014-12-11 10:04

All thank the big lord gabeN for nerfing cz <3

2014-12-11 10:04

Come next event, people will cry about fiveseven and tec-9 being too powerful :(

2014-12-11 10:11

Wow, they had to make Train worse, didn't they? Don't they understand that putting to much crap in a map makes it horrible for competative gameplay? M4A1 3100!? why?

2014-12-11 10:14

Best update in long time, GJ volvo.

2014-12-11 10:21

RIP the gun that made LDLC win DHW 2014... what a fucking shame

2014-12-11 10:23

Increased price of M4A1-S to $3100 < Then add 5 more bullets from 20 to 25 ?! Stupid move from volvo.

2014-12-11 10:24

that CZ market price drop though.. GG Am I the only one who thinks CZ is over nerfed? And then how about Tec9 being OP? waiting for community to cry about it next.. And increase in A1 price? I mostly used M4 still..

2014-12-11 10:25

On point! Very nice with deagle price too.

2014-12-11 10:29

1 reply

cz kill reward sucks tho

2014-12-11 14:07

wow nip moans and they nerf

2014-12-11 10:33

ffs kiddos cz is still op,what about the price of m4a1-S I have to admit that I didn't expect it at all,but come on m4a1 is op m4a1> m4a4

2014-12-11 10:35

nice update

2014-12-11 10:37

by awp cs combo :D

2014-12-11 10:39

-1

2014-12-11 10:40

cz nerf? ok bye ldlc

2014-12-11 10:43

THANK YOU VALVE FOR THAT NERF ! Finally !!!

2014-12-11 10:44

CZ nerf is okay, even nerfed more than I hoped for. A1S price change is... strange and pointless IMO, they better nerf smoke instead. And holy shit, Train is fucking awful. Didn't like CSGO Train much before, but this one makes me want to throw up. They are never going to roll it back too. Ugh.

2014-12-11 10:47

m4a4-s 3100 ? jeezu.s edit: train looks cool tho

2014-12-11 10:51

Getting really bored of these map textures that are being used over and over again...

2014-12-11 10:55

Train is just perfect! Favorite map was in cs one sixteen<33333

2014-12-11 11:00

wow, train looks great!

2014-12-11 11:02

M4A1 and CZ nerf suck :/ Too much for the cz

2014-12-11 11:04

now thats what i call a TRAIN map, gj

2014-12-11 11:10

Question, what is the reason for upping the price of the m4a1-s? I mean the AK is still 2700? Or is it because the price between a1 and a4 was to big?

2014-12-11 11:16

GIVE OLD TRAIN BACK.

2014-12-11 11:16

lel they just maked it easier Deag>cz in anyway so eco's will be too ez to win

2014-12-11 11:21

train looks like the map from the newest Wolfenstein

2014-12-11 11:28

Think the CZ got too many parameters nerfed - Guess there will be a adjustments within the next weeks. the M4a1/a4 nerf is okay - would like to see the M4A1-S carry 20/60 ammo instead of 20/40 though.

2014-12-11 11:32

de_train is the worst map ive ever seen in csgo.. its even worse then when the de_mirage came out holy shit

2014-12-11 11:34

you don't needed much skill to get kills with CZ. And you need much more skill to get kills with P250/Five-Seven.

2014-12-11 11:41

train is shit now

2014-12-11 11:41

well train certainly looks different, now its time to get in game and test it out!

2014-12-11 11:41

Fantastic nerfs, hopefully we will never see that fucking piece of shit pistol again.

2014-12-11 11:41

Wow, the very first update to which I have no objections. Gj volvo

2014-12-11 11:44

good update !

2014-12-11 11:50

They shouldnt have made 2 m4's in the first place.

2014-12-11 12:06

Nice Update. Guess the CZ is still playable, but not as OP. M4A1-S update justified too. Don't know how I feel about Train though. But tbh I never really played Train anyway LOL.

2014-12-11 12:13

finally, we will see more competitive train! my fav map back to 1.6

2014-12-11 12:18

RIP csgo..

2014-12-11 12:18

YEEEEEEEEEES DE_TRAIN love <3 <3

2014-12-11 12:26

RIP Train :\ this new one is shit

2014-12-11 12:27

Great update!

2014-12-11 12:29

new knife drop or game:D goo.gl/kwgvT6 nice update thx volvo:P

2014-12-11 12:32

Gj, some ct side were hardcracked, now its gonna get alot ez

2014-12-11 12:33

“Assists” on teammate kills no longer get counted in scoreboard. why wtf?

2014-12-11 12:34

4 replies

Because it was wrong, when you hit your teammate and some1 killed him you get assist. Now it's only counted from opponents hit.

2014-12-11 12:40

3 replies

But getting points for planting/defusing the bomb isn't wron at all. Nice logic.

2014-12-11 13:02

2 replies

Points from planting/defusing are fine. wth

2014-12-11 13:11

1 reply

Oh sry, I missread and thought all the assists wouldn't count

2014-12-11 13:17

You are all fucked now :P VP will have easier anti-ecos from now on :P

2014-12-11 12:35

na'vi won't lose any anti-eco :D

2014-12-11 12:36

2 replies

2014-12-11 12:57

+1 LDLC won't win any eco :D

2014-12-11 13:56

Good that they made the m4a1s cost as mush as m4a4. No reason for one to be cheaper than the other considering they both have their own advantages and drawbacks.

2014-12-11 12:37

deagle is still useless. with its efficiency it should cost max 200$

2014-12-11 12:46

1 reply

Deagle is one of the worst weapons in CS:GO. Only 1st shot is accurate.

2014-12-11 13:45

RIP M4A1-S.

2014-12-11 12:48

New Train = TF2 + Portal 2

2014-12-11 12:49

Bronze not silvers, changed whole game. Increased price for silenced m4, cz overnerfed. Crying at valve because they are shitty and cant kill player with pistol.

2014-12-11 12:52

RIP CZ

2014-12-11 13:00

WTF the damn m4 is 3100$ and STILL 20 bullets , the AK 2700$ AND 30 bullets and doing SO much more dmg ?! Wtf are they thinking ?! -.- well RIP cs go.. idiot valve..

2014-12-11 13:04

RIP CS GO

2014-12-11 13:08

Alright, CZ definitely needed a nurf. But this much? really? And btw, everyones "argument" is that Pro-players use it most/gets most kills/dominant i pro scene. You guys think that only pro players play this game? (and nope, im not lowrank)

2014-12-11 13:21

1 reply

2014-12-11 13:23

M4a1s should atleast be 20/60 now with the increased price.

2014-12-11 13:24

1 reply

2014-12-11 13:40

CZ draw animation is slower than all weapons. Are you agree with that guys?

2014-12-11 13:30

rip jw

2014-12-11 13:30

i dont get it... on 1.6 we had 1 M4 and 2 good pistols (USP and DEAG), and we never had problems with the weapons (no nerf needed, no recoil changes, magazines, etc.. now we have two fucking M4's, one with OP recoil but with 20 BULLETS and 40 the other is 30/90 but doesnt have supressor anyways we have A LOT of pistols and every single update they change pistols 1.6 needed one update to get things fine, GO are being updated for almost 3 years and still sucking ??? cmon, 8 bullets on cz ? are you kidding me ? why would i buy a $500 pistol for 8 bullets ? and more nerfed now... same goes with m4, why fucking 20/40 ? this is so fcking retarded and doesnt makes sense... thats why im stopping playing CSGO... too many retarded updates, no sense on changes, incompetent staff, major problems instead of major events

2014-12-11 13:31

1 reply

that's what i think too... +1

2014-12-11 18:28

3100$ for m4a1-s? and no increase for bullets? GJ VOLVO

2014-12-11 13:33

GabeN is my god. Shall we all praise him. Our holy city washington is the HQ of godness of gabriel. HOLY SPIRIT IS STRONG ON THY!

2014-12-11 13:34

fcking volvo.... cz nerf - good new train - good m4a1-s 3100$ - BAD.. volvo troll -_-

2014-12-11 13:37

6 replies

It's not nerf CZ, its like removal that pistol. New train? Ok, nice try but old version was better. The best version of train was de_train_ve made by Volcano.

2014-12-11 13:39

5 replies

i think they should remove CZ and make deagle more op. and what the fuck is with this m4a1-s ? why 3100$ ? R.I.P CSGO

2014-12-11 13:50

3 replies

srly ct is to stronk i hate silver like you say shit

2014-12-11 13:55

2 replies

But they should add 20/60 ammo to m4a1-s with this 3100$ price.

2014-12-11 14:22

1 reply

agree maybe can be good

2014-12-11 14:25

Because fuck CZ-PZ and fuck every fuckface using it. Period.

2014-12-11 14:12

WTF?!!! WORST PATCH EVER CZ nerf = less ammo OR reduce damage OR reduce firing rate OR reduce reward for kill but not all at once VOLVO R U STUPID?! New train worse than old train. Best train version was made by Volcano. m4a1-s price was good, why they change it? IDK deagle price change - one good move in all patch GG, sells skins to CZ. They killed that weapon.

2014-12-11 13:37

Great job at turning de_train into a boring 0815 deathmatch-map that lost all the unique things the original train map (1.6) had. The previous GO version was already terrible and it seems they just don't understand what made the original de_train so good and special....instead of taking a look at Volcano's version, which is a great example of how to maintain the original concept while adding some improvements to it, they just replaced everything that was unique and an essential part of de_train with the same boring setups we got on almost every other GO map already, turning the good old train map into another lousy close-quarter combat map. GO would be so much better if it had great maps...unfortunately Valve's maps only cater to "no-communication and no-teamplay 5on5 TDM". edit: Not even the "visual concept" looks good or makes any sense. E.g. that ladder and the wood plates, where the good old ramp was, make no sense at all...that ramp was perfect, you will find one in every industry train station...

2014-12-11 13:47

WELCOME BACK TRAIN !

2014-12-11 13:42

haters gonna hate , retardus :))))

2014-12-11 13:43

"Increased price of M4A1-S to $3100" EXCUSE ME ?

2014-12-11 13:48

2 replies

ct side to stronk

2014-12-11 13:52

1 reply

2014-12-11 13:55

Map looks like dishonored lol

2014-12-11 13:49

New train :x

2014-12-11 13:53

train looks sick! good upd

2014-12-11 13:53

2 replies

Train looks interesting but it's suck :) Believe me. And it is the worst update in CS:GO history. Now it can't be a worse :)

2014-12-11 14:25

1 reply

Lol? So you havent tried the new map (because its awesome, but hurr durr change bad) and you are mad that broken cz and overpowered m4a1 got nerfed? Best update in a long while, really likin it.

2014-12-11 17:17

Why can't they just accept the fact most of the people like the m4a1 more, we've been using it since 1.6 and Source. Fuck their need to always "balance" things when there's nothing to balance.

2014-12-11 13:55

Best update on long time -bb cz autokill -700 price on deagle -balancing more ct/t side with m4a1-s price -Reintroduced Train, finally look great

2014-12-11 13:58

1 reply

Yegor Markelov @YegorMarkeloff 39s new train is awesome! tnx @csgo_dev

2014-12-11 14:24

wtf is this train :D:D textures like season/agency GG WP ,fokin shit

2014-12-11 14:01

train = cancer

2014-12-11 14:01

1 reply

Yegor Markelov @YegorMarkeloff 39s new train is awesome! tnx @csgo_dev

2014-12-11 14:24

Train is new map now. Nothing from good old train left imo. RiP de_train you will be missed :(

2014-12-11 14:08

guys lets not forget that you can still spray down enemys with cz as fast as with a 3k weapon. Nerf comes and everybody suddenly forgets how broken cz was. Goldfish syndrome

2014-12-11 14:08

This update sucks. 1. It seems that cs decide to declare that is homosexual. This all colours make me puke. 2. Cz- it's good that it was nerfed but this draw time... You can easly went out from room, make tea, get back and the pistol still won't be draw. It's a bit to long. I think that cz shouldn't be nerfed that much but it should be moved to smg. 3. M4a1- come on!!! Increasing price? It have only 20 bullets and now only advantage on m4a4 is that a1 have silencer. 4. New train- probably only 1 good thing in this update. Looks great. So I think that they just fucked up yet another time.

2014-12-11 14:09

1 reply

One of the issues with cz was that it was OP combined with the awp. Why OP? Because if awp miss a shot and enemy mangages to get close the awp should be in big trouble but that was not the case when you can pull out the cz and spray down enemy in 1 second. 8 bullets is still enough to do this so thats why it also needs the increased draw time.

2014-12-11 14:15

train looks shit but now p250 eco kings

2014-12-11 14:22

1 reply

Yegor Markelov @YegorMarkeloff 39 s new train is awesome! tnx @csgo_dev

2014-12-11 14:24

Wtf this kids talking about... Train is good now

2014-12-11 14:22

Best Update ever, love this new Train and the nerf of the pocket ak

2014-12-11 14:26

Yeah,pretty much expected just another helper to nip's way onto becoming #1 once again,this theory follows: 1)Nip was the most dominant team in the game back then when everyone used m4a4 What does Valve do? - Buffs m4a4 by nerfing m4a1 2)Their biggest enemies : fnatic & ldlc Pretty much the teams who used CZ up to his maximum What does Valve do? - nerfs it 3)Forest & Friberg two amazing deagle players what does Valve do? - buffs it 4)Train was once the map that noone ever manage to beat nip on,it gets moved out of map pool What does Valve do? - reworks it Also 3/5 Nip players conitnued using m4a4 even tho m4a1 was way supperior,so they most likely knew about this update incoming WP VALVE,WP NIP,WP INDEED

2014-12-11 14:28

8 replies

I even wrote some time ago that they will do update for NiP ;]

2014-12-11 14:32

lmao its all a conspiracy

2014-12-11 14:48

Too bad that there are many way better teams than NIP is. Not like in the past.

2014-12-11 15:34

3 replies

'many way better teams' yeah, that's why NiP gets to the final of every single CS:go major ever...

2014-12-11 15:57

2 replies

Ye thats why results from year ago matters now right ? Murican flag and nip fan. Dangerous combination.

2014-12-11 16:10

1 reply

nip got into dreamhack winter final 3 weeks ago lol

2014-12-11 18:23

kids who jump to conclusions like you are a big reason why this community is so retarded. btw there are 1 or 2 pros on most teams who use m4a4, really not that obscure. also, f0rest is better with p250 than he is with deagle. also, train has been completely changed. even if nip had some kind of advantage on it, any team could have the advantage now by creating great strategies early on in the life of the new de_train. your logic is that of a 10 year old

2014-12-11 15:57

1 reply

based on my comment u figured out my age wp smart murican u deserve a burger

2014-12-11 16:12

can someone tell me how the hell i can remove that menu snow?:D

2014-12-11 14:29

1 reply

You can't now.

2014-12-11 14:33

Don't care about CZ-75 they could even remove it entirely, but I know it won't happen cuz they want money. What I miss in this update is deagle parameters tweak it's still not usable for eco rounds.

2014-12-11 14:31

Nice :D

2014-12-11 14:33

i wish train wasnt so fancy as it is now.. just bit more simple but it wont happen sadly

2014-12-11 14:42

good job volvo, i like this train, after 10 years of playing the same thing its good to play something a bit different. Map is wide in all areas and thats good, but I'm concerned about the T entrance to the A bombsite, seems a bit "choky" as cts could just trhow molotovs/nades everything in there to stop ts from coming out oh and visibility is way better then it was now add train to the map pool

2014-12-11 15:09

cz is trash, they didnt remove it just because the skins. no one should use it again, i made a good choice selling ma 2 cz skins yesterday, almost drop 50% price.

2014-12-11 15:11

New Train is great and CZ RIP :D <3

2014-12-11 15:13

Valve asked the Pro players? This update is the wrongest update in the csgo life. Now the players will play with TEC 9 and next update is the TECH9 nerf? wtf

2014-12-11 15:22

2 replies

2014-12-11 17:45

2014-12-11 19:46

like the new train :)

2014-12-11 15:23

Who will use A1-S anymore? Only perk has been taken away - The price. Even a full retard can handle A4 as good as A1 with a little practice. And A4 even has more bullets! Inb4 its silenced Yeah, who really cant figure out the position? Also new trains A- is T sided to rush in for a whole second almost. Ct cant smoke it off so easily than before.

2014-12-11 15:26

ONIXpected Keepo

2014-12-11 15:29

Tried a map, works fine to me, even though it's quite easy for T side to get on A with a rush now. CT gotta be awake. Great map still!

2014-12-11 15:29

Finally valve cz nerfed... nice move!

2014-12-11 15:33

mhmm new train sucks imo :/

2014-12-11 15:38

tge nerf is to damn hard... and i would like to see the m4a1-s with 25 bullets per mag or 20 bullets and 3 mags(total of 80 rounds)

2014-12-11 15:51

Scout next ples

2014-12-11 16:03

ty valvo but u are slow as fuck,retards

2014-12-11 16:19

bad job volvo, terrible update.. no need to increase price of m4 and 8 bullets really?? and the fucking animation is sooooo long.. you won't even get a chance to pull the gun out in a close-up combat..

2014-12-11 16:29

6 replies

Now you have to learn to aim instead of spamming the CZ at someone's toes.

2014-12-11 16:35

5 replies

yeah.. good job.. put deagle's ammos +1 on a weapon that does half of its damage very nice, isn't it? now looks like an auto glock :|

2014-12-11 17:47

4 replies

It was hilariously OP. It needed a massive nerf. CZ kills were most of the time pretty undeserved because of how overpowered the gun was. Realistically a gun like this shouldn't have even made its way into cs, but the nerfs have at least made it so the game won't become all about CZ force buys at a high level.

2014-12-11 17:51

3 replies

it wasn't that op... it was just an auto p250, if u can use well a p250 u can do same things as u could have done with cz

2014-12-11 18:05

2 replies

No you really can't. I'd rather take the word of the many top players who also share the opinion that it is ridiculously OP tbh. If you don't think it was that OP, you should really watch some more professional tournament VOD's from the past few months.

2014-12-11 18:21

1 reply

i've seen all matches in DH... btw ak is op too.. i think they will nerf it too lol... gg csgo gg

2014-12-11 18:31

this train is shit xdd

2014-12-11 16:32

2 replies

indavideo.hu/video/Galambok_szarnyan_?ut..

2014-12-11 20:41

1 reply

so good :)) now even birds can lift you up xdddd

2014-12-11 20:43

I don't know, just played a few matchmaking games and the CZ-75 is still strong. And since it has the reduced rate of fire, I would say it is even more accurate. Drawing it does take a lot of time, but that only nerfes it in combination with the AWP which is fine.

2014-12-11 16:35

CZ is useless in eco since reward and reload nerf. For me tt can be only awp secondary gun. Now number one eco pistol is back p250.

2014-12-11 16:37

train looks nice in general, think it will need few updates to be competetive playable tho

2014-12-11 16:48

Delete cz pls !

2014-12-11 16:54

M4A1-S should get an extra magazine, cause since they decreased the buytime for 20 seconds, you cant get any more bullets after the start of the round and you can run out of ammo really easily. Im back to M4A4

2014-12-11 17:10

Good update. Honestly. Love the weapon changes, Tec9 maybe a bit too strong :D ....new train is great.

2014-12-11 17:15

Best looking map in CS:GO

2014-12-11 17:20

Whats interesting is that upon playing with the CZ, its actually a lot easier to get headshots now..

2014-12-11 17:26

to the players in the world, that love to play with cz-75, the weapon is not dead, only because of this nerfed. the animation might be a litlle bit to much but not something that really damages the weapon. but still players that get rekt with cz will love this nerf.

2014-12-11 17:31

Just played 4 matches, can confirm, the random corner prefires have decreased by over 50%.

2014-12-11 17:32

Oh an, props to Valve, but I would've honestly preferred the 1.6 train with a few tweaks here and there. Finding those crazy angles under the trains was so much fun.

2014-12-11 17:34

gg now m4a4 price on market will increase and m4a1 will decrease... why the heck do they just hate that a1? is best weapons since cs 1.5, 1st cs i know

2014-12-11 17:39

7 replies

why u say that ? m4a1 increased just a price of a flahsbang. no worrys! game style evelywele

2014-12-11 17:44

6 replies

im not talking about price ingame

2014-12-11 17:41

5 replies

i know, but that is not gonna afect steam prices. only if had a major change in the m4 that the price would decrease or increase, that is not the case.

2014-12-11 17:46

4 replies

i think few people will use a1 anymore cuz at same price u can get a weapon, not that less precise with double of ammos

2014-12-11 17:49

3 replies

not true. i prefer de m4a1 . the price increase is the same thing as deagle decrease. goes to game style, for me not a big deal. M4a4 as is profits the same the m4a1 but still a4 not a weapon for me. but the price of five seven and even p250 will increase due to cz nerf .

2014-12-11 17:57

2 replies

lol p250 price will increase from 2€ to 2,40€ gg.. isnt that bad

2014-12-11 18:07

1 reply

for me not big deal. but for 70% of the gamers complaining about everything that is a change is real. for me is cz p250 t side p250 five seven ct side so win win for me XD

2014-12-11 18:14

fuck volov fuck gabe, cant even fucking shoot someone with this fucking shit cz

2014-12-11 17:53

They should keep the CZ how it is but revert the draw animation. Kind regards, V1v1X

2014-12-11 18:06

1 reply

agree

2014-12-11 18:10

2014-12-11 18:14

Really nice update! Train looks sick.

2014-12-11 18:24

Seems like valve fucked up train even more, that map looked horrible:p

2014-12-11 18:26

2 replies

I think the new one looks fucking great, and the atmosphere is pretty awesome.

2014-12-11 18:35

1 reply

2014-12-11 19:44

in the next update all weapons will be deleted and there will be flowers in their place

2014-12-11 18:41

youtube.com/watch?v=nBduFH4TQ6o

2014-12-11 18:44

so much hate in this thread.. here's something cute to give you a smile youtube.com/watch?v=5zwEVbCln8o

2014-12-11 18:50

1 reply

It's sad how you spam that boring shit everywhere.

2014-12-11 19:47

R.I.P CZ! :(

2014-12-11 19:33

"Train is back!" I was hoping for a cs1.6 remake, it was my favorite map. I am kind of sad but at least the new one is better compared to the previous one. I like how they reworked the outside especially. Not a big fan of the B bombsite & the CT side part though. Ivy is strange too. I think it will need some work again but it's a lot better.

2014-12-11 19:43

it feels to me like cz's recoil was increased...

2014-12-11 20:21

2 replies

Yeah you're right, it actually did have a recoil increase according to the weapon script. Patch notes failed to mention it along with a Tec 9 buff as well.

2014-12-12 01:07

1 reply

that's what i also felt... tec 9 is now the best pistol out there, i thought i just didnt know its so good because i was using a cz, but is was buffed. ok then.

2014-12-13 21:18

I think train was a good upgrade.

2014-12-11 20:26

Increased price of M4A1-S to $3100 amd where 30bullets??

2014-12-11 20:46

youtube.com/watch?v=5G7eyS2bNVQ&list=UUj.. 4hs , 3 os like guys ;)

2014-12-11 20:47

I'm still thinking about how stupid are these guys... why didn't they think at this before? Why not stop nerfing that cz and turn it in the original not auto CZ75? Is this too hard?

2014-12-11 20:53