SnypeR: "Australia deserves 2 spots"

2-5-2015 19:43

We caught up with Iain "SnypeR" Turner to get an idea on Immunity's preparation and expectations going into FACEIT Finals, how their matches went and more topics surrounding the Oceanic region.

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Immunity were pretty much the surprise of the tournament, as they came close to getting a map off NiP in the initial round, after which they overcame Liquid on three maps before going down to the Swedes again in the second place decider.

We managed to get a hold of Iain "⁠SnypeR⁠" Turner and talk to him about numerous topics, including some not surrounding the tournament itself, such as the current state of Oceanic competition.

good joke xD

2015-05-02 19:43

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9 spots 2 Oceanian (AUS) 4 NA 1 3rd world team

2015-05-02 19:50

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I think that this lan and ESEA lans proved that NA doesn't deserve more spots 2 NA + Keyd 1 Oceania 5 EU

2015-05-02 19:53

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why? Because 2 worst na invite teams qualified? NA scene is not that lost.

2015-05-02 19:55

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Well, those 2 worst NA invite teams qualified have beaten CLG and C9. NA scene is pretty much lost

2015-05-02 19:56

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yeah and Australian scene is booming... they won against worst teams world wide..impressive

2015-05-02 20:01

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and we only lost to Nip... your logic is flawless...

2015-05-02 20:07

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So you are out of tournament due to 1 loss... that is hard to believe.. go figure out that again.

2015-05-02 20:15

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I will let YOU figure that out again...

2015-05-02 20:21

you are dumb bro.

2015-05-02 20:40

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Lucky for us and you are definition of intelligence.

2015-05-02 20:40

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I am clearly correct seeing as you still can't figure out the irony of your own comment.

2015-05-02 20:53

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There was no irony in my comment, so there is nothing to be seen.

2015-05-02 21:12

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what? your comment is ironic because you tell someone to "go figure out" when you are the one who needs to figure it out (Immunity only lost to NiP, he never said they only lost once). pls don't embarrass yourself further.

2015-05-02 21:16

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Yeah that perfectly make sense... now go to doctor and do a dead check.. make sure you actually HAVE brain.

2015-05-02 21:50

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Who won?

2015-05-03 03:16

Nice deflection you really got him

2015-05-03 11:15

c9 has beaten NiP a bunch of different times

2015-05-02 22:35

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Yeah, if you look back a year, the NA scene is weak right now with some promising upcoming teams.

2015-05-03 08:52

Never said so, wtf man

2015-05-02 20:14

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You insinuated that the Australian scene can be compared to the NA scene, which it can't be. Only fanboys/haters will tell you anything of the sort. Ask Thorin the question and he'll say it's still miles apart.

2015-05-02 22:36

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Its still apart not by miles

2015-05-03 11:16

Lol c9 was getting dosed all most all games and never played with there're full 5

2015-05-03 06:14

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youtube.com/watch?v=uessLXAVXeE

2015-05-03 11:17

really tell me 1 team in NA thats top12 right now? yeah thats right not one....

2015-05-02 20:03

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elevate def top 40 or 50 better if they get the embodiment of the na "only frags count" mentality of desi

2015-05-02 21:26

only team that has a chance to be top 12 is C9 and thats slim as fuck unless freak remembers how to play

2015-05-03 02:58

KOALIfied *

2015-05-02 21:16

4 NA? LOL Just do an offline qualifier like last time and let the best teams qualify for the main event. Only 2 NA teams will qualify lal

2015-05-02 21:00

Isnt 2+4+1 7?

2015-05-05 14:19

Nope

2015-05-02 19:44

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Yep

2015-05-03 12:16

true

2015-05-02 19:44

lmmao

2015-05-02 19:44

Maybe, but then Europe deserves 8 :p

2015-05-02 19:44

Best two in Australia are better than NA, sure; but the REAL solution is giving more spots to EU instead.

2015-05-02 19:45

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Not really a solution if the aim is to improve the global sale of this game, and keep the game thriving in all areas of the world is it?

2015-05-02 19:48

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why not invite the best teams?

2015-05-02 19:52

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because it would then be eu teams only..

2015-05-02 20:00

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and 2 Aus teams lol

2015-05-02 20:08

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lol huehuehue lol

2015-05-02 20:12

yeah and? we will see better cs, i think the best teams deserves to play in tournaments

2015-05-03 12:49

The best 16 teams are only eu teams lol

2015-05-02 20:09

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Keyd? CLG? Vox could scrape in as well.

2015-05-02 23:38

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It maybe was an exageration, but many tier 2-3 teams in EU are underrated because they often play against either each other or against tier 1 teams, where they obviously lose. But so does the NA and AUS teams. Teams like dignitas, mousesports, LGB, Penta, Property, copenhagen wolves etc etc are probably as good as the best in NA/AUS.

2015-05-02 23:44

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Katowice qualifiers showed that those teams couldn't beat vox, and now vox have replaced topgun with someone who actually plays the game

2015-05-03 04:07

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totally agree, and this yam fella, ill tell you now, jesus with a rifle confirmed. this new vox lineup has the ability to give fnatic or even tsm a run for their money.

2015-05-03 12:04

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I wouldn't go that far, buddy

2015-05-05 01:35

i reckon. some of the best Aussie players aren't in any teams. We need more teams over here if we're gonna have any chance at winning a major (though far fetched, it's possible)

2015-05-03 12:18

CLG in top 16? nah...

2015-05-03 08:53

Yes it's obviously better to increase the global sale of the game but not if it lowers the competitive value of the game. Else give free spots to India and China since those are the two countries with the largest population.

2015-05-02 19:52

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When you have any kind of expansive business knowledge, get back to me.

2015-05-02 20:08

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you dont deserve any spots in tournaments

2015-05-02 20:37

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amazing comment bro.

2015-05-02 20:40

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Thanks I appreciate it

2015-05-02 20:45

Salty Aussies are mad. Australia deserves 2 spots because they also lost in groups after getting their dome kicked in.

2015-05-03 15:31

So you'd rather invite shit teams that get 4-6 rounds per map over the best teams that give us the best and exciting matches? I'm all for giving these teams a chance but if they get that chance and fail as hard as this then they can fuck off in my opinion, I want to see the best teams available. If we use that logic lets bring back the Indians, maybe fly over some of the Chinese or Japs so they can get 4 rounds a map as well just to make it more global.

2015-05-02 20:09

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Did I say that? Immunity & Vox have both proven they can compete with the worlds best, they maybe not quite up there in terms of taking big wins against some of the worlds best, but they can give them a very decent run for their money. At the end of the day, for CS to keep going and continue being successful, it needs to have a global audience. At best we have a very western audience at the Majors, and it's about time we started dishing out more spots for more regions. The domestic scene for Australia, is now really really decent since Vox got a spot last year at Katowice, and continued to keep coming back, other domestic scenes like India/South Africa/Asian scenes need that same chance to continue developing the talent pool. It's a win win for everyone involved. I'm simply saying that for CS to continue growing at a good steady rate, it needs to get some more global reach as iirc that was one of the reasons why 1.6 eventually got dropped from multiple tournaments because it wasn't "global" enough in terms of audience and actual competing teams.

2015-05-02 20:20

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2015-05-02 20:26

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I understand they almost took a map from NiP. But other than that.. no.. The next Bo3 against NiP was hardly entertaining... 16:3 and 16:4.. Hardly competing.. more like getting stomped

2015-05-02 21:37

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OK so we'll just stop inviting international teams, stop them from improving and keep CS in EU and NA

2015-05-02 23:41

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No that's not what im saying... Its in regards to saying at least Aust teams can compete... NA teams can't bullshit... I agree all international teams should be invited... it's good for CS and its good for esports

2015-05-02 23:57

That is what happens to every one of these teams, they do well against EU teams for a couple maps but then once their style has been seen they just get rekt. These SEA teams that come in and surprise teams like fnatic, NiP etc only manage it because their play style is so different, after 1 map, they are figured out and never get close again.

2015-05-03 00:39

put it this way buddy boy, vox and imm best teams in aus, go overseas get stomped, only because they dont get the chance to do it often, but they are only getting stomped by teams who have been in the top tier best in the world position for the past 10 years. their 1 - 2 trip experience vs 30+ major event qualifiers, ofcourse it's expected for aus teams to lose, the only way we'll get better against the top tiers is if we continue to attack the scene until we become the best. simple, fnatic and nip or navi wouldn't be shit today if they weren't around for 10 years in the hardest competitions, why not let the future of csgo carve the fate of new eras? do you want fnatic or any of them to keep winning every major for the next 10 years? how boring and pointless would majors be then? if other teams weren't allowed to compete because they just simply weren't up too par for major tournaments or internationals?

2015-05-03 12:09

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yeah fully agree. the reason EU teams are so good is because they are always going to minor events that happen all the time. since we are so far away we can only play domestic teams, and unfortunately for iM and Vox it's not always a challenge, so they aren't getting the same practice and experience as the Euros get. but doesnt explain why NA is so trash atm so i dunno hahaha, love to see some more Aussie games.

2015-05-03 12:21

You kinda did and compete? taking some rounds isn't competing unless I'm going senile and Australian teams have taking maps against the Euros then I apologize. CS has grown enough, how grown do you want it? if CS hasn't caught on now what's going to change that, more skins? another spot? tell me how having 2 Australian teams at this event instead of 1 is going to make it grow even more globally, why not invite the team from India to make it grow more? 1.6 got dropped because the game was old as fuck, it dominated the FPS e-sport market for like a decade, the game just died and I very much doubt it had anything to do with how global it was. How global was SC1? WC3? Q3? pretty global games yet they died off, it happens. Being ultra global won't stop CS:GO dying eventually as well. Simply put, in my opinion what's going to make CS:GO better and stay better is having as many of the best teams as possible at as many events as possible with less shit as possible. We want quality not quantity.

2015-05-02 20:58

14 rounds against Nip on dust2?? yeah I'm positive you could pull that on you're own mate... You will see the best teams... in the semi-finals and finals... Why not just invite Nadal, Federer, Murray and djokovic to Wimbledon?? We can have it all over in a day or two yeah??? You Europeans hate the fact that the rest of the world is finally catching up.

2015-05-02 20:29

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I was talking on average regarding the rounds and who wants to see the best teams in the last 3 matches when we can see them in EVERY match? why invite a bunch of shit teams with absolutely no fucking chance then see good matches on the last day? This LAN is 3 days so you have to invite the best teams in smaller numbers, maybe if the LAN was a week long we can invite your shit teams and have 50 teams here but who wants that? We don't want 50 matches with 100 teams over a week, we want the best teams playing each other all the time over a few days. I don't hate shit and you guys ain't catching up in the slightest I just hate people like you or the Brazilians acting like they deserve stuff when they deserve fuck all mate, Aussies have been at a few events and done nothing yet act like you deserve more spots? Where are teams from China, Japan, India and all that? why not invite random teams from Europe as well like from Russia just to make it more global, what makes Australia so fucking special?

2015-05-02 20:52

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So don't invite flipside, 3dmax, dignitas as they are not good enough? Which teams would you invite then? "Where are teams from China, Japan, India and all that? why not invite random teams from Europe as well like from Russia just to make it more global, what makes Australia so fucking special?" That's exactly the point of a, wait for it, "global" game... I would love to see other areas represented. Why do we have to watch European teams every game? How boring.

2015-05-02 20:59

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I'm pretty sure Flipside3 would beat any Australian side as well as the other two teams you just mentioned, you beat some dog shit American side and now think you can compete? Who said the game had to be global, because it's called global offensive? get real mate, it's just a name lol. You don't have to watch Europeans but if you do, it's because it's the best CS has to offer, is your solution to lose half of the best teams in the world to bring in teams from countries that suck? aye, let's get rid of VP to replace them with a team from Nepal to make shit more global. And if you get bored watching the best teams in the world maybe you should find another game to follow. Quality > quantity.

2015-05-02 21:03

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Flipside lost the an Australian team, hard btw, last major. So don't invite flipside because they are no good, yeah?? Because they want to grow the game. I don't know if that flies over your head, but there are more people outside of just Europe who play CS:GO... The more involvement they get, the better... It isn't exactly brain surgery here...

2015-05-02 21:07

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Valve want to grow the game, what does that have to do with FaceIT and SLTV etc? think they give a shit about it being global? ok maybe Faceit does but the rest? as I said before get real. The current Flipsid3 lineup? show me as I can't remember that. Nothing flies over my head, you just have it stuck in your mind that people want this game to be global and nothing else so they need to invite trash to achieve that, you guys are lucky to get one spot you only had to beat fellow Aussies for and to come out and say you "deserve" 2 is fucking scandalous. I'm all for you guys getting 1 spot then seeing how you perform but to say you deserve 2? and with the shit you're talking about being bored watching the best teams CS has to offer? I honestly don't get what you're mindset is here. You get bored watching the best in the world yet want more teams that on average bag 4 rounds against the teams that bore you. Now that's the type of shit that flies over my head.

2015-05-02 21:12

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We're on the same page I think. And it was the Flipside lineup that got rekt hard last major. To be honest I don't think the current lineup would make a difference and for that matter Vox have changed their lineup too since then. I will honestly say I haven't actually watched the video and I assume it's about Faceit tournaments. But my argument is coming from the bigger scale and just having more recognition in general. That being said, Brazil and SA and Africa, Asia should get more teams as well. "...and nothing else so they need to invite trash to achieve that..." So flipside, dignitas, 3dmax are all trash then? You can't deny facts. Vox have beaten all three of those teams recently...

2015-05-02 21:19

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Pretty sure that's the Swedish lineup that was probably tier 3 and I'm 100% sure the current Flipsid3 lineup would make a HUGE difference and Vox have changed 2 players and couldn't even qualify for this event, they ain't even the best in AUS now are they? I agree having more recognition is a good thing but we can't have that at the expense of quality as I said, we can't stop some of the best the game has to offer coming here just so we can mix it up and make it more global, we can't give these guys free rides as well which Immunity got, if they get here on merit then sure but don't dish out special privileges just because we want to see more global teams. So beating a tier 2 team makes Vox less trash? come on bro, I know you're an Aussie but wake up and smell the coffee. Fact is those 3 teams have done MUCH better against these teams than Vox or any Aussie team has yet because Vox beat them they're trash? lol ok.# You're clutching at straws here, oh we beat a few teams we deserve more spots and we're good enough to compete, you beat a Flipsid3 team that consisted of tier 3 or even 4 at best players.

2015-05-02 21:26

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No Vox did beat that Ukrainian flip side team at last major sure it was without simple since he was banned from esl. But kingpug you have no idea what cs go needs. It's stupid that na got the same amount of teams as Europe. Australia deserve 2 spots and keyd 1 spot NA 2 or 3 spots. na teams have been given the chance for years now but it's amazing how little they learn from European cs. Sure the ban gate fucked them over pretty good but the other teams should have learned that run n gun don't work on a higher leve.

2015-05-03 01:18

stop replying to him, he's probably some nova 3

2015-05-03 12:13

Tell me something, if Immunity had to qualify for this event against the rest of the European teams that didn't make it here do you honestly think they would be here? Same goes for Liquid and Elevate.

2015-05-02 21:05

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No I do not. But I'm coming from a global perspective. There's a tournament every couple weeks with the best EU teams... Faceit is represented worldwide basically.

2015-05-02 21:08

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I understand that perspective but that's what majors are for, that's what Valve want and not the majority of the other big events, do Dreamhack want it? Fragbite? SLTV? FaceIT moved into the Oceania market aye but that doesn't mean should see it more often, as I said before you're getting chances to show if you're good and not taking them so to then say you deserve more chances and more teams is a piss take.

2015-05-02 21:15

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I agree. I'd like to see more teams overall, and then two Oceanic teams.

2015-05-02 21:20

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Obviously if they increase the teams invited then invite 2 Oceanic teams but if you're only going to invite 8 teams then hell, I'd not invite any Oceanic or even Americans, it's just free wins.

2015-05-02 21:27

Another difference between csgo and 1.6 regarding all of your "globalization", they are making a load of money only from NA and EU, so sure they could go for bigger markets in asia, and im pretty sure money-machine Valve would like that! But as a player and viewer i dont see the point. As long as they keep making new skins etc, they'll get loads of money! Regarding the question about Oceanic spots, i would say 1 is fine as of now. But i think(Im not sure how it is now) they should have equal rights and opportunities to qualify as other EU and NA teams.

2015-05-02 22:35

Funniest part is that you think EU are getting caught..... A team that no one has seen before manages to have a decent map against NiP and "the gap is closing".... wrong. like i said in earlier post, these teams come to Europe, play good for a couple maps while the other teams figure them out and then they tank like everyone else. The gap isn't closing one bit, Fnatic and Envy are being caught by other EU teams and the gap is getting bigger to everyone else.

2015-05-03 00:42

Deserve two spots because they beat a T2 NA team???

2015-05-02 22:58

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No. What I said was that a second spot for Australia was better than a second for NA, but that another spot for EU would be best.

2015-05-02 23:12

Yaha...

2015-05-03 03:17

well take 1 away from america and give to AUS is better since murica is a waste of time

2015-05-02 19:45

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+1 Just C9 only NA team with a little bit of potential (actually no cuz n0thing, sgares, freak are crap).

2015-05-02 19:48

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n0thing is crap?wut

2015-05-02 19:51

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unreliable.

2015-05-02 19:52

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plays brilliantly one game, then like a silver the next. kinda like Rickeh

2015-05-03 12:24

yes please

2015-05-02 23:23

lol nice joke 1/10

2015-05-02 19:45

europe deserves all the spots right now

2015-05-02 19:45

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Actually you are right. Because of these shitty NA / AUS teams, nV and Titan couldn't came. And everyone would agree that both of them are miles better than any NA / AUS team.

2015-05-02 19:49

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sadly im right ... and backed in the days one of the best teams in the world was from na

2015-05-02 19:51

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I'd give vox or Immunity a chance at Titan tbh

2015-05-02 20:10

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then you must be either stupid or just too patriotic eitherway sry for insulting you but you are just talking out of your ass right now

2015-05-02 20:33

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They said that when I said Vox would beat 3dmax... They said that when I said Vox could beat Dignitas... or Flipside They said that when I said Immunity would beat Liquid... I know I am patriotic, but I'm not dumb. I only said a chance, against Titan. Give the Aussie teams a couple months in Europe and I would say at least 30-40% odds...

2015-05-02 20:38

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i gave them almost an year sine they appeared at cologne 2k14 ffs keep beating tier 3 teams - thats their place in a tournaments like coppenhagen games or something they are even worse than penta which is in my opinion the worst tier 2 team right now im tired of "giving them 2-3 mounths" its time to show or go out

2015-05-02 20:43

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I would put money on either vox or immunity to beat penta btw so they beat tier 3 teams, because theres no tier 2 european teams left? so why invite tier 3 european teams that are worse?

2015-05-02 20:46

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worse??? they havent even played so i guess its kinda early to make decisions even me :DD will see at cologne 2k15 if they pass the groups they have my respect

2015-05-02 20:49

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Dignitas, 3dmax, flipside? All beaten by vox at the last major. I wouldn't say they are horrible teams. I'm not saying the Australian or even NA teams are that great, but I do think they deserve more recognition with placings to grow the game. We need more teams, not less teams... the best teams will still end up playing each other in the finals...

2015-05-02 20:55

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sry but cs is majorly an eu game and it will forever be so i still disagree seeing 2 aussie teams much rather see 1 eu team and 1 aussie

2015-05-02 22:29

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even if more euro teams play, then we have the problem of having to see the same teams at each tournament. tbh, that gets boring quick. besides, euros have more opportunities than the rest of the world. i would rather see asian teams and oceanic teams play with the big teams and watch them grow, and see how far they can make it.

2015-05-03 04:59

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you would rather see them getting destroyed every time? i arent think that and what do you mean its getting boring look at what tsm and navi did yesterday i guess australians like different cs im down with that thats why you have asian tournaments where such teams play. and of course eu will have more opportunities - they are the best in the world in this game and rightfully so 1 year ago i would say that na cs was getting close and would give them actually 4 na teams for a major but now even 1 is to much for australia and asia ....

2015-05-03 11:39

Elevate could beat nV Kappa

2015-05-02 20:53

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I'm glad you didn't forgot about Kappa.

2015-05-02 21:41

I think he is right -1 spot to NA. +1 to Au.

2015-05-02 19:46

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2015-05-03 12:25

While I agree that Europe's teams are far better than NA/AU teams, not inviting them would never give them a chance to close the gap.

2015-05-02 19:47

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this

2015-05-02 19:53

the gap increases every tournament that passes

2015-05-02 20:00

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2015-05-02 20:09

based on what? not facts, obviously.

2015-05-02 20:11

Thats true. Probably because the more big tournaments there are, the more the eu teams focus on cs. More and more eu teams can get salaries by this and being able to play full time. I honestly don't see how this pattern can be changed

2015-05-02 20:12

x2. only reason NA teams do "well", like getting 13-14 rounds against good teams is because they surprise with their playstyle. If the european teams prepared like they do against other european teams the NA teams would been crushed.

2015-05-02 20:15

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While this is partially true, you act as though NA is somehow prepared for EU the other way around and EU is the only one not prepared to face new playstyles.

2015-05-02 23:14

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Haha if you go to an European event as an American team I hope you prepare and study they European play style. But for the European t1 teams it's just another t3 team that they will beat easy if they play their own game so they don't waste their time to scout them. They need to focus and scout the real threats instead.(other t1 teams) and all t1 teams are European right now.

2015-05-03 01:33

no, just NA deserves max 1 spot

2015-05-02 19:47

Meh -1 NA + -1 AU = 2+ EU

2015-05-02 19:47

lol no they do not

2015-05-02 19:47

Since all the NA teams are now a pieces of a joke, I'd say NA should have less spots 4sho.

2015-05-02 19:48

lol no XD still better than NA tho

2015-05-02 19:48

brazil deserves second spot, Dexterity rekt immunity any time, any day

2015-05-02 19:48

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more likke keyD lölölöl

2015-05-02 20:03

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whe have keyd and dexterity, they are kinda at the same level, keyd little bit better but still very close and yes, dexterity would rekt immunity very easy

2015-05-02 20:16

Dexterity ? or u mean keyd?

2015-05-02 20:09

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whe have keyd and dexterity, they are kinda at the same level, keyd little bit better but still very close and yes, dexterity would rekt immunity very easy

2015-05-02 20:14

EU deserves all the spots

2015-05-02 19:48

Lol, no one gives two shits about Australian csgo. Sure they proved to be at the same level of CS as NA, but the Europeans don't want to beat some chump Australians at CS go. They want to beat the muricans, that's why we keep getting invited, its the only chance Europe gets at besting the United States of Murica.

2015-05-02 19:48

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"same level of CS as NA" no they are higher level. " Europeans don't want to beat some chump Australians at CS go" neither do they wanna beat low pleb tiers NA teams

2015-05-02 19:51

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Lmao, how are they better? They beat NAs number 5 team by ONE round! ROFL. And yes its true, that's why NA teams are always invited. NA has never won an international even in Europe, yet we still get the seeds baby. You eurofags can't get enough of us.

2015-05-02 19:54

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you do understand its bo3, but I guess you're american and can't read. its because NA got tournaments that NA teams dont deserve so EU teams fly over and literally take EVERY SINGLE dollar from the them.

2015-05-02 19:57

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You do understand that each team won their pick and the last map was 16-14, right? Or are you stupid? Lmao, the only reason European teams get invited to american tournaments is for publicity. Like anyone would watch esea or MLG if it was a bunch of NA teams. Thanks for boosting our viewing revenue. Sad, doesn't c9 make the most money out of any team in Europe?

2015-05-02 20:06

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hahah naw so cute you are talking about money like that will take away what a pathetic and untalented NA cs:go community you have over there. players getting payed good? that just makes it even more pathetic when they keep losing to tier 3 EU teams. stay mad champ ;)

2015-05-02 20:32

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So funny how you admitted I'm right. ;) I never said my CS community was good ;) and your just mad because you are a tier 3 peasant ;) r3kt, murica. Besting Europe in everything else but a video game....and football.

2015-05-02 20:35

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heheh u so mad champ

2015-05-02 20:44

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Not as mad as you. ;) why you no rebuttle me?

2015-05-02 20:45

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im not american, I dont need to compensate for anything.

2015-05-02 20:46

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I meant prove me wrong, about what I say about our countries. Murica>world. Top 1 economy, 2016

2015-05-02 20:47

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Keep these comments coming, im having the time of my life buddy!

2015-05-02 20:50

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I bet you are, posting on hltv, or having any internet at all, must be the highlight of your day. That's why your country is shit, bunch of lazy pansies having nothing better to do. 3rd wolders

2015-05-02 20:52

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this is how i see you i.imgur.com/ymfPS7I.jpg

2015-05-02 20:53

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You and your family lmfao!! i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/18/artic..

2015-05-02 20:59

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you're trying to hard sugartits lol

2015-05-02 21:01

5 replies

Don't need to. Effortlessly proven my point :)

2015-05-02 21:03

4 replies

whatever you say buddyboy ;)

2015-05-02 21:08

trying with the poverty card. Against a swedE just Google living like a swede we actually got I better in real life than you can even think as a DreamWorld.

2015-05-03 01:48

2 replies

Is good living owning a cow and a house made of straw? Rofl

2015-05-03 01:51

1 reply

so blind and arrogant, classic american tard

2015-05-03 05:08

Worlders*

2015-05-02 20:53

Poor muricans still think you the number 1 country like in the 50s. All you are is a bunch of fat rednecks that are living on old glory. You are free falling in all the list that matter.

2015-05-03 01:38

1 reply

Lmao. 50s? What shit is your European media feeding you?!!? Lmfao the autism is real

2015-05-03 01:50

It's funny that teams like Liquid that are being paid to play CS still can't beat part time teams who have full time jobs and go to Uni like Immunity. Considering Vox and Immunity play CS in their spare time they are fantastic teams.

2015-05-03 04:32

blablabla mad cuz straya > murica

2015-05-02 19:53

2 replies

Haha yet we get the most seeds. ;) thank you for paying for our accomadaions. You eurofags are too cute

2015-05-02 19:56

1 reply

np mi luv

2015-05-02 20:00

thats why pyth is moving to USA......to save your scene. Only team that i believe besides LG is Ska9

2015-05-02 20:07

30 replies

Nope, he is moving here for one reason, money. Murica, we got it all here. He is one of the smart Europeans, he knows where the best country in the world for success is.

2015-05-02 20:08

29 replies

so salty mate. It's OK.

2015-05-02 20:14

27 replies

Salty? Why? I live in the best country in the world lol

2015-05-02 20:15

26 replies

but your flag says US?

2015-05-02 20:22

24 replies

Yeah, which is...........the best country in the world buddy ;) we have plenty of water here for you thirsty Australians. Plenty of food so you don't have to eat your kangaroos, and plenty of fine women like Kim kardashian for you to anus-lick, provided that you work hard and become very wealthy in order to maintain their materialistic lifestyles. Its like owning a big dog, she's going to take a lot of maintaining, but will be a freak in bed

2015-05-02 20:28

19 replies

not sure if you are american or having a laugh lol We have deluges of water here. kangaroo meat is pretty good, actually. Miranda Kerr > Kim Kardashian. Australia was brought up on people working hard.

2015-05-02 20:33

14 replies

Not even top 10 economy worldwide. Canada has a better economy.....must not be working that hard. And no woman in the world tops kardashian during her early 20s. Need a reminder? Watch that sex video mate, instant bonner

2015-05-02 20:44

13 replies

That sex tape may be good but right now she is just ugly, that ass is waaaaaay to fat. Pheew.

2015-05-02 21:02

2 replies

+1 agreed. Pregnancy has not been to kind to her ass. Her fits still good though, plenty of milk in them

2015-05-02 21:04

1 reply

Tits*

2015-05-02 21:07

But you're trillions in debt to the Chinese? Your unemployment is HIGH, your crime rate is HIGH, your houses are built of fucking paper and cost a fortune. Land of the free my ass, your minimum wage is HALF of ours and your country has 12 times (roughly) the population hence larger economy. We just know how to manage ours better, that's why AU is the greatest country on earth. Soz 'murica.

2015-05-02 23:16

9 replies

Again, all the bullshit information you are spewing, and yet still a 3rd world country. The only thing keeping your country relevant is your kangaroos.

2015-05-03 00:03

8 replies

That's all fact driven lad. Maybe you should use google once in a while. xo You're basically owned by the Chinese. Hahahaha

2015-05-03 01:02

7 replies

Nice, please, provide me with sources written by professionals, not media sites hungry for page visits. Rekt.

2015-05-03 01:10

Oh and yeah, owned by the chinese? Let me go report to my Chinese government because I'm clearly living in a communist country called the united states of China lmfao! You act like debt means it has to be played off. Were murica, we pay who we want when we want. Chinese little cocks can't do shit to us. Yet, you are still a 3rd world economy lmfao, you wish China owned you. Triple rekcted

2015-05-03 01:15

5 replies

You've just confirmed what everyone thinks about 'muricans. My deepest condolences. Poor boy.

2015-05-03 02:21

4 replies

Good, embrace the fact that you are beneath us. Maybe one day you can save enough pennies to move over to our country. You can enjoy the good minimum wage jobs we have to offer peasants like you.

2015-05-03 02:47

2 replies

can't tell if troll or really stupid

2015-05-03 05:01

1 reply

Cry more plz. Feed me your delicious tears

2015-05-03 05:54

just used google apparently Japan owns more debt than China now. also, the citizens owe quite a bit! crime rate is lowest its ever been since they started recording crime rates houses are built out of wood and stuff. minimum wage lol you pay more for digital downloads. you pay more for everything. aus even copies the shitty things about the USA like our consumer culture. you can see it on ur news, lol, reports about celebrities, american ones too.

2015-05-03 05:59

"plenty of fine women" ok confirmed troll

2015-05-02 20:34

3 replies

I'll take Kim kardashian over any tall blonde hairy armpit sweed any day lmfao

2015-05-02 20:37

2 replies

"ill take" lmao son you wish

2015-05-02 20:45

1 reply

Still no rebuttle. I'm right, I fucking knew it! Hairy ass swedes. Disgusting. Fucking jw looking bitches I bet

2015-05-02 20:46

HHAHAHAHHA deluded muricans at it again

2015-05-02 20:33

3 replies

Poor crying eurofags again, not realizing that other than CS go, Sweden is shit. Never accomplished anything of importance worldwide. I never even read about your country in my history books other than your women being tall, and having hairy armpits

2015-05-02 20:37

2 replies

mhhhm let me taste those tears hahahahha

2015-05-02 20:44

1 reply

Again no rebuttle. Sad. Proving me right

2015-05-02 20:48

oh dear

2015-05-02 20:41

Jokes on you he is moving to Canada. Canada is a good country not like their smelly redneck neighbors

2015-05-03 01:50

NA deserves 0

2015-05-02 19:48

it's funny because this same sentiment on the CSGO reddit right now is generating a lot of salt, more than wieliczka one could say

2015-05-02 19:48

2 replies

/r/GlobalOffensive is right though. Just because Immunity barely beat a top 5 NA team doesn't mean that AU automatically deserves more spots than NA...

2015-05-02 19:51

1 reply

there's no denying it's a logical point, but the sensitivity of all involved is also telling

2015-05-02 19:54

NA deserves 1 less

2015-05-02 19:49

give them 2 spots instead of NA!!!!!!!!!

2015-05-02 19:49

The only continent that deserves the spots are EU, considering we have all the top eight teams here. Giving spots to NA is the reason of the low competition in big tournaments.

2015-05-02 19:51

more spots total na needs to go to eu to prac they don't have the same mentality as aussies, the only way these shitters are gonna get better are through scriming eu

2015-05-02 19:51

Australia deserves 2 spots ? yeah maybe back in australia..

2015-05-02 19:52

1 reply

Australia deserves two spots in Australia... yes we need two teams to have a game of counterstrike...

2015-05-02 20:15

No you don't.

2015-05-02 19:52

not winning a single map against t1 teams and complaining about their spots lol

2015-05-02 19:52

1 reply

this

2015-05-02 19:57

they lost first map 16-8 and going to cache it was a 10-5 half, so i went to sleep thinking they already lost.. then i checked lounge and it showed that they won LMFAO

2015-05-02 19:53

No they dont,SA deserve 1 spot(keyd)Doesnt rly mater tho bcs na teams r shit...

2015-05-02 19:57

Dexterity >>>> other Australia teams, seriously better give this spot to some tier 2 EU team.

2015-05-02 19:57

1 reply

who?

2015-05-02 20:16

1 NA 1 AU 1 SA 5 EU GG

2015-05-02 19:58

if na deserve 2 spots then aus aswell

2015-05-02 20:02

win more than one map EVER at a major first

2015-05-02 20:02

3 replies

NA have already done that a few times.

2015-05-02 20:16

2 replies

HAS AN AU TEAM EVER MADE MAJOR SEMI FINALS???

2015-05-02 20:41

1 reply

They havent even passed the group stage.

2015-05-02 20:51

how about giving all spots to eu, considering na and aus is shit compared to eu?

2015-05-02 20:04

2 North America (inlcuded Keyd) 1 Australia 1 South America 4 Europe

2015-05-02 20:05

They don't deserve shit since they can't compete with eu or na.

2015-05-02 20:05

No they do not, but giving SA one and Asia one would be great. I know the Asian scene is nothing much at the moment, but if they do not get more incentives to up their level, it will never be much.

2015-05-02 20:05

If you really want a fair tournament that includes teams from all over the world, you'd need to expand it: 6 Europe 2 North America 2 Oceania 1 Asia 1 South America 12 teams, which is difficult logistically and financially to put together. Anyone saying "Only EU teams deserve to go" really doesn't understand the point of competition. I assume that China should be able to send multiple gymnastics teams to the Olympics, while Switzerland sits out, right? Because we only want to see the best compete? Also, who wants to see the same 6 teams in every single tournament? I can only watch Fnatic vs. nV so many times before it's boring. You need teams like Immunity and Liquid to play in these tournaments. It's how they get better, and how we keep the games interesting. Plus, upsets are always extremely entertaining, though they are rare.

2015-05-02 20:06

4 replies

back in 1.6 days we had this tournament, WCG, where teams from like 24 countries participated, wish we had anything similar to it now

2015-05-02 20:07

2 replies

ESWC?

2015-05-03 16:43

1 reply

ye also good, but eswc allowed mixed teams, WCG only 1 nationality

2015-05-03 16:46

+1 only decent comment in this thread. More teams from other parts of the world can only increase the playing level there. We don't want it to be EU vs EU forever.

2015-05-02 20:18

lol no

2015-05-02 20:06

1 reply

lol yes

2015-05-02 20:08

only if the major allows more than 16 teams, something like 32. Then we can talk about 2 or 3 spots from asia in general and au. But now 2 spots out of 16, I aren't think that.

2015-05-02 20:06

You should be grateful for the one spot you already have.

2015-05-02 20:08

no you dont, same goes for na

2015-05-02 20:09

not really.

2015-05-02 20:09

for now 6 EU , 2 other

2015-05-02 20:12

Get real!

2015-05-02 20:14

These NA and Aus teams are wasting slots for much better EU competitors. Pls git gud and then come back.

2015-05-02 20:14

13 replies

list said teams please.

2015-05-02 20:19

12 replies

Immunity, Vox, CLG, C9, Elevate, LG, Liquid, etc. The only team that was capable of competing with the euros was ibp, and, well, you know.

2015-05-02 20:32

11 replies

No, list the "better EU teams"

2015-05-02 20:34

10 replies

Any T2 EU team is a solid opponent for even top NA teams. Top T2 and any T1 EU team dismantles any of the teams I've listed previously. Even KeyD 16-8'd CLG in March.

2015-05-02 20:48

9 replies

So you cannot actually list any teams then? Vox beat Dignitas, 3dmax, Flipside... you don't think those teams deserve a spot?

2015-05-02 20:50

8 replies

What, do I really have to list every single one of the EU teams of T2 and higher? >Vox beat dignitas And got 16-3'd by both Fnatic and Navi, so what? EU scene is just the next level. Of course an underdog can win against a strong team, but it'll happen like 1 time out of 10. EU teams consistently win against NA & OCE with usually less than 10 rounds given away. It's not even interesting to watch, imo.

2015-05-02 20:57

7 replies

So because Vox were beaten by Fnatic (the number ONE team currently), and Navi (who recently won a major lan), they are not worthy?? Please I could list quite a few "good" teams that Fnatic and Navi have beaten recently...

2015-05-02 21:03

6 replies

Navi beat Vox on 12 March when Navi didn't even have Flamie and were relatively shit compared to present themselves. Done yet or you will continue to defend your lovely team? I mean, nothing's wrong with that, just there should be something to defend with.

2015-05-02 21:08

5 replies

So you just proved my point... I'm defending with the AU teams could beat some tier 2 European teams... If you don't want tier 2 teams playing then lets just have Nip, nV, VP, TSM, Fnatic play over and over.

2015-05-02 21:11

4 replies

You're defending Aus teams with results versus EU teams that were in slumps and in BO1s games? I'll take my words back when Vox\Chiefs\Imm\Avant Garde\Streamline\Trident wins two BO3s back to back against any of the T2 EU teams.

2015-05-02 21:15

3 replies

So because an Australian team beat a European team, the European team was "in a slump"? Please get real. Vox beat those teams and that is a hard fact. No way around it.

2015-05-02 21:22

2 replies

>I'll take my words back when Vox\Chiefs\Imm\Avant Garde\Streamline\Trident wins two BO3s back to back against any of the T2 EU teams. You really do like your home teams, heh.

2015-05-02 21:25

1 reply

Considering the only thing you have to go off of is that T2 euro teams lost to vox, why isn't it the other way around? When these teams consistently beat vox/iM is a Bo3 then you can concede that they are better :)

2015-05-03 04:12

lmao? They deserve 0 spots aswell as NA

2015-05-02 20:16

At first this sounds really stupid, but then again when you think about it NA has only one decent team, SA maybe two but it's very debatable since they never play anyone good but keyd

2015-05-02 20:16

HAHAHA "Australia deserves 2 spots" stop read

2015-05-02 20:18

10 replies

SPAIN DESERVERS 10 SPOTS PLZZ

2015-05-02 20:20

9 replies

who is talking about spain ?

2015-05-02 20:26

7 replies

"who is talking about spain ?" exactly.

2015-05-02 20:30

6 replies

i dont saw any shitty spanish player saying shits like snyper :/ you defense for australia is attack other country xD? GG

2015-05-02 20:38

Does that really hurt you?

2015-05-02 20:55

4 replies

Apparently no Spanish teams does hurt.

2015-05-02 21:01

3 replies

Why would you even bring up Spanish teams?

2015-05-02 21:02

2 replies

Let's keep this to Oceanic teams plz sync, as per thread topic.

2015-05-02 21:04

1 reply

dude just fuckin give up. there is no legitimate reason Aus teams deserve two spots when other teams (not just EU teams) miss out. For example, KeyD. I understand your patriotism but you're completely blind to the fact that Australia can't yet compete at the highest level. I assure you that c9 would beat Vox/immunity. After the NA shuffle settles down there's probably another 2-3 teams that would also beat them. You can't use the excuse that more exposure -> better results in time. KeyD had zero exposure and still took a map off a t1 team and placed top8.

2015-05-02 22:12

Way to focus on the message and not the messenger

2015-05-02 21:31

2 spots is reasonable as long as it doesn't detract from another region.

2015-05-02 20:22

3 replies

Well it does already tbh. both NA and AUS take away x amount of spots for the EU teams who really are 10 times better than them.

2015-05-02 20:31

2 replies

no clue.

2015-05-02 20:41

1 reply

No clue about what? Enlighten me please.

2015-05-02 21:23

Well i agree. NA is shit, too many spots for them.

2015-05-02 20:25

hmmmm how about no

2015-05-02 20:27

xDDDDDD

2015-05-02 20:28

They come over here and smash, smash what? our girls? our teams? erhm HA!

2015-05-02 20:29

EU 5, AS 2, NA 1 if we speak 'bout 8 teams. EU 12, AS 2, NA 2 if we speak 'bout 16 teams.

2015-05-02 20:32

Give them all the spots

2015-05-02 20:34

1 reply

2015-05-02 20:37

2 Australia 2 America 4 Europe simple as that

2015-05-02 20:36

2 replies

Sounds good.

2015-05-02 20:41

1 reply

no its stupid coz even tier 2 eu is better than top5 na

2015-05-02 21:00

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no

2015-05-02 20:39

sry snyper, declined.

2015-05-02 20:43

fuck u snyper lolz

2015-05-02 20:47

1 reply

nt kookly

2015-05-03 12:28

2015-05-02 20:49

Kangaroo 2 spots? Looool

2015-05-02 20:52

Oi Oi Oi

2015-05-02 20:54

Maybe in 1 tournament in a year, otherwise they should ALWAYS have to qualify first. Being from an exotic place should not give any privileges.

2015-05-02 20:54

1 reply

+1 I think qualifying is the best way.

2015-05-02 21:13

GJ straya beat the yanks! You can all go home with your head held high.

2015-05-02 20:59

well it is true, oceania is just better than NA so they deserve 2 spots. they might upset someone at least, not like na teams.

2015-05-02 20:59

SA deserves too

2015-05-02 21:03

"Australia deserves 2 spots" Well I agree

2015-05-02 21:15

ima boycott this site bunch of lil virgins hating on NA while without us ur scene is dead .. we made the damn game..are skill level is realy high just teamplay really low.from 1.3 till now u euros owe us.

2015-05-02 21:27

deserves for sure! wp guys and good luck in the future!

2015-05-02 21:28

invite some chinies/korean teams stop inviting aus teams really..

2015-05-02 21:29

All you people crying about how NA has too many spots, keep crying. I'm enjoying all your tears. No matter what you say, NA isn't going to give up any spots to other countries.

2015-05-02 21:33

well we can argue if aus deserves any spots over eu teams, but I think we can all agree that aus doesn't deserve less spots than NA

2015-05-02 21:33

HAHA! No, one at the most, NA one at the most, resto Europe.

2015-05-02 21:36

I dont agree with 2 spots, they are not that strong. 1 is good enough.

2015-05-02 21:41

Why would you want to lower the average quality of the teams in the tournament? I like to see new teams play, but the skill difference is 2 huge to be enjoyable imo. Imo there should be no spots determined by geographic location but rather mixed qualifiers (katowice 2015 qualifiers style).

2015-05-02 21:45

By that logic Brazil deserves 2 spots too. The second best team in brazil could win agaisnt immunity and im pretty sure.

2015-05-02 22:02

snyper is such a legend i like him

2015-05-02 22:43

Nice jokes.

2015-05-02 23:30

PROMOTE AUS/NZ CS CMON

2015-05-02 23:35

No they don't deserve. 1 to NA 1 to SA (keyD) 1 to Oceania (Vox) All others to Europe. If keyD is included on the NA then two spots for NA.

2015-05-02 23:50

with all that is going on i would rather see wcg

2015-05-02 23:56

2015-05-03 00:50

Hulter: "Snyper needs to drop his balls"

2015-05-03 00:52

most of the players here are silvers....they don't really understand the meaning of global offensive.

2015-05-03 00:53

If people really wanted the scene to improve globally, they'd understand that teams from AUS need either two spots, or more international tournaments. As things are at the moment with just one team going, that one team learns a lot whilst the rest of AUS stays behind. That said I do think that other regions and countries also deserve more spots so they can develop. A larger team pool would be more realistic for this to happen. Though it would be interesting to hold a tier 2/3 tournament to give other teams recognition and an opportunity to develop in the game.

2015-05-03 02:18

1 reply

Its just too far.

2015-05-03 09:38

The only reason I watch tournaments is when an Aus team plays in it. I'm way too bored watching the same times play against each other over and over, I'm sure there are a lot of viewers like me as well. Also look at the ESL qualifiers and look how many NA teams are playing vs Oceanic teams (yep 0). If oceanic teams had more exposure overseas, they could start to learn to adapt to the eu meta and we could start seeing some results. They chances we have are only a couple times a year max, which isn't enough. NA scene however have multiple chances all year round.

2015-05-03 02:42

1 reply

NA scene however have multiple chances all year round. No they dont. NA teams only come to EU for majors,and the immediate next tournament. Tournament organisers would be happy if Vox/any Aussie team wants to attend events at their cost.Its just too far.

2015-05-03 09:38

I think if elevate played immunity instead of Liquid that immunity would of got beat down, pretty sure most tier 2 NA teams would smash them just not Liquid who are horrible.

2015-05-03 02:57

5 replies

Vox Eminor is a lot better than iMMunity.

2015-05-03 03:43

4 replies

Maybe a year ago, but not necessarily anymore. As of now, results on LAN are 2-1 to iM. Whilst Vox are a good team and can perform, nationally in Australia they've had a lot of competition this past year and everyone has finally caught up. With the addition of yam its hard to tell at the moment how well he will fit into the team and their current playstyle as they haven't attended any events. From what we've seen of Ustilo and the 10 days they've had to prac with him in the team, immunity have picked up someone that fits in quite well. So saying Vox is a lot better than iM currently is completely wrong until we see LAN results.

2015-05-03 06:44

1 reply

Vox Eminor has always been significantly better than iM before all the subbing and topguN stuff.

2015-05-04 06:53

no they are so evenly matched it's crazy.

2015-05-03 12:28

1 reply

no they are not even yet

2015-05-04 06:49

nice joke, tiny island called Australia that no one gives a shit about wants 2 spots kek

2015-05-03 03:02

4 replies

Tiny? Western Australia alone is bigger then Europe. Oh but i forget that you muricans never looked at a world map in your lives :)

2015-05-03 03:20

3 replies

says the guy whos countries greatest military achievement was becoming the USA's ally.

2015-05-03 06:53

2 replies

is your mum also your cousin?

2015-05-03 12:29

You didn't just prove that america doesn't get geographic lessons, but they also don't get HISTORY lessons.

2015-05-03 12:49

hes talking about 2 spots for the ESL ESEA league not faceit lan no one watched the video

2015-05-03 04:37

If AU/OCE Teams had the same conditions and same development of the game and eSports in general they would compete with the euros easily. VoxE went to Katowice with pure skill, they have full-time jobs outside of the game. If you sent them to EU for 6 months with a salary they would easily be able to compete with the best.

2015-05-03 07:31

1 reply

Only the top 5-6 teams' players play cs full team,rest of the teams have university and school and jobs etc. And just FYI, VoX did good,but stop overhyping them. We will soon know how good vox is,katowice was just 3 games. I want to see more of vox,but you really are overhyping them,and no they wont come close to any of the top teams. If all countries had the same conditions and development of the game and eSports in general,they all would compete with the Euros easily.

2015-05-03 09:35

I think both NA and OCE should remain at 1 slot and EU teams should get an additional slot. So many good teams get fucked over just because they're from EU.

2015-05-03 08:00

deserve a spot and get rekt in groups? why

2015-05-03 08:34

they deserve 3spots....remove na completely

2015-05-03 09:35

2 replies

There's probably only two teams that could actually viably compete with NA and some Tier 2 EU teams (Vox and iM).

2015-05-03 10:34

1 reply

Might want to look at exile5 lineup bro. Even chiefs are quite solid

2015-05-03 11:32

Why even bother inviting teams outsider of EU?

2015-05-03 10:22

no sry they dont

2015-05-03 11:27

Can't really say of one LAN if they deserve it or not. If two teams make it to a major then for sure though

2015-05-03 12:22

I would rather to see 1 spot to Asia than 2 to Australia. Ok, Australia has rly good teams, but being good can't tell you how many spots you gonna have. Because by this logic EU should get all slots.

2015-05-04 14:05