Maniac joins EnVyUs as coach

10-1-2016 17:36

Former Titan member Mathieu "Maniac" Quiquerez has joined EnVyUs in a coaching role for their CS:GO team.

The 25-year-old has been out of action since September, when he was replaced by Adil "⁠ScreaM⁠" Benrlitom on Titan's starting roster as the French team looked to overcome a poor run of results.

At the time, Mathieu "⁠Maniac⁠" Quiquerez declared that he would continue to play on a professional level and vowed to "bounce back and come back stronger." But as weeks went by, the Swiss continued on the market, and he eventually turned to casting, working as an analyst at IEM San Jose and at the FACEIT League Stage 3 Finals.

Maniac takes up a coaching role in EnVyUs

Maniac will now continue his career by coaching EnVyUs, the biggest domestic rival of his last team. The DreamHack Open Cluj-Napoca champions have not had a coach since leaving LDLC, in which they worked with Emmanuel "⁠MoMaN⁠" Marquez, a former Counter-Strike and StarCraft professional.

Contacted by HLTV.org, Maniac revealed that his analyst work convinced him to take up a coaching role but stressed that he will not put down his mouse just yet.

"I think the few experiences I had as analyst made me realise that I really much enjoyed stepping back and thinking of the bigger picture in the game," he told HLTV.org.

"Thinking that my abilities could help EnVy become the best team in the world is very appealing for me.

"I am not saying I won't ever play professionally again. But I want to explore this path for now and I want to see EnVy sitting on the throne."

EnVyUs will be in attendance at the SL i-League StarSeries XIV Finals next week, but Maniac will not be standing behind the team there as he is part of the tournament's on-air crew. In the future, his analyst appearances will be restricted to events in which EnVyUs will not be competing.

Below you can find an interview with EnVyUs managing director Mike "Hastro" Rufail, who sheds some light on the decision behind signing Maniac as a coach.

This is the first time that the team will have a coach since leaving LDLC. Why now?

I believe there were a few instances in 2015 where we let some games slip away that we should have won. Better preparation probably could have prevented some of those losses. In addition, the players can now have someone in Maniac to guide them or give them a fresh perspective. This job is very specific and the talent to do it is very, very rare. Now that Maniac is available, it makes complete sense.

What made you go for Maniac? Was a request from the players?

Like I said above, the type of coach we consider capable for our team is very rare. 1) We needed a French speaker. 2) We needed someone with a professional level knowledge of the game. 3) We needed someone who can mentally prepare the players. Maniac provides all of those things. The players were responsible for making the request to bring him on board as a member of the team.

Maniac is a very experienced player, but in his last team, Titan, it was Ex6TenZ calling the shots. What will the extent of his involvement in the team’s practice routine and during LAN appearances be?

I think his duties will evolve, but right now we plan on having him behind the team at every important LAN we attend and with the team in daily practice routines.

EnVyUs will be without Maniac at the StarSeries finals

Next week, the team will be attending the StarSeries finals, where Maniac will be working as an analyst. Will he be coaching the team in Minsk already? How will this work in the future, if Maniac continues to work as a caster?

Mathieu had already committed himself to the StarSeries finals as an analyst so he will be performing his role there as so. Moving forward, his analyst/casting jobs will be limited to the LANs the team decides not to attend.

After winning the Cluj-Napoca major, the team had modest showings at the FACEIT League Stage 3 Finals and at the ESL ESEA Pro League Season 2 Finals. What happened? Do you think that the team needed a break after such a long year?

We were one of the busiest teams in all of eSports last year so I do think the players needed a break very much. However, I also think we just needed some small changes fundamentally and psychologically. That is a big part of why we are making this change.

Noice

2016-01-10 17:36

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2016-01-10 17:39

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He's a good guy, don't be like that.

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sure

2016-01-10 17:42

2016-01-10 17:48

good guy doesn't mean good coach. maniac is stupid af.

2016-01-10 17:59

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But he's still better than all NA trash Maniac > NA

2016-01-10 18:20

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cant argue with that honestly

2016-01-10 18:40

Thats why maniacs never been in top 20 but NA players have right? A lot of NA does suck, but there are some world class players as well. Dont even kid yourself frenchie

2016-01-10 22:32

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no n.a player match up the skill peaks of any EnVy - Titan player. Shox and kennyS are 2 of the 3 best players in GO's history , the only 3 real god super super stars in GO's history

2016-01-11 01:40

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Cloud9 beat Envyus 3 times in a row this year LOL. Skadoodle's in the top 20, so unless all of the Titan and Envyus players are in the top20, you've already been proved wrong

2016-01-11 02:27

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EnVy was in the worst possible slump all of those times , and they got utterly rekt by Fnatic and TSM , Cloud9 went out in group stages every single major in 2015.

2016-01-11 02:28

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So why is skadoodle in the top20? Hm? If all of titan and envyus aren't in the top 20, then you've already been proved wrong salty kid xD

2016-01-11 02:29

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that makes no sense, how does me mentioning Envy being in a slump and c9 going in groups stage at every major make you think EnVy and Titan arent top 20? are you just fucking autistic little shit? or yes? ska is in top20 just to please u.s ugly niggers and that's it , he doesnt deserve it.

2016-01-11 02:43

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HAHAHAHA SO SALTY LMFAO. "Just to please U.S ugly niggers" yup, that's how you know you're salty. Lmfao Titan did JACK SHIT this year without kenny you idiot. Titan went out in the group phases too. So what's your response to that baguette lover? Haha you already lost this argument. All of envy and titan won't be in the top 20, so that defeats your argument of all frenchies being better than NA. Try again baguette lover

2016-01-11 02:45

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Stating facts and showing history makes me salty??? how old are you? holy shit your parents are cousins. ps: no n.a team is better than Titan ahaha, you wish you had gods like shoxie and geniuses like Ex6tenz.

2016-01-11 02:47

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LOL I just stated a fact too. Titan did jack shit this year and the rest of them suck besides Shoxie lmfao. So why are u dickriding Titan when they're a shitty ass team? Hahahaha. Btw c9 and Titan are ranked 10 and 11 respectively on Gosugamers. So what's your argument now? LOL Skadoodle made it into the top20, and only Shoxie from titan made it to the top20. Where's the rest of titan? LOL. Behind SKADOODLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. NICE ARGUMENT SALTY BAGUETTE

2016-01-11 02:50

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Suck in what way ? would you say SeanGarres sucked?

2016-01-11 02:51

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See, I never said all of NA > FRANCE like you said FRANCE > NA So your question is stupid as fuck. Of course I don't think Seangares sucked, but he obviously wasn't as good as the frenchies. But also, not ALL of the frenchies are better than NA like YOU said. So don't even try and twist the argument u salty baguette. Shroud, Ska, n0thing, Swag, and Hiko are all players that i'd say are better than the rest of Titan, except for Shoxie, but shoxie isn't even that good anymore. You think everyone on Titan is better than those players I listed? Keep dreaming baguette

2016-01-11 02:54

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If Sean Garres didn't suck, then Ex6tenz didn't suck at all , .-. can you please have some logic?

2016-01-11 03:02

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Quote me saying Ex6tenz sucks. I never said that you fucking idiot. Holy shit you are seriously taking everything out of context and putting words in my mouth. Right now, c9 and Titan are both not very good teams. But they both have good players. But all of Titan is not better than all of NA. And all of Envy is not better than all of NA either. Your argument is stupid af.

2016-01-11 04:03

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"the rest of them suck besides Shoxie lmfao" Titan is better than any U.S team , Titan did beat C9 and NiP. C9 went 0-2 in almost every major

2016-01-11 04:15

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"no n.a player match up the skill peaks of any EnVy - Titan player." Ska in top 20 rpk, ex6, smithzz, and scream not in the top 20. Lel Enough said. C9 still ranked 10th, Titan ranked 11th. Enough said. Idk why you're so defensive against frenchies. Who cares anyways

2016-01-11 05:12

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Yes but ska doesn't deserve top 20 at all and neither does C9 deserve a top9

2016-01-11 05:13

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But Ska's in the top 20 sooooooooooooooooo. Yeah, he deserved it. Just like how Shoxie deserved it. And the rest of Titan DIDNT deserve it because they weren't as good as Ska or Shoxie. Simple as that

2016-01-11 05:22

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dude, the top20 is meant to be for stars only at least, i imagine the top 5 or top 7 is gonna be full superstars. Ska has choked every single major and important even, the 3 final run he was being helped by shroud and n0thing. If anything , Shroud deserved top20 more than ska , but he didnt deserved top20 either because of how he performed at every major. also, if we are going by your logic, 1 single player from the best n.a team got top20 , and 1 single player from the worst top team in france got top 13 , if anything , that just proves that Titan is better than c9 if i use your logic, "no north american player got to top 20 except ska, and ska got to the bottom at best"

2016-01-11 05:26

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Who says the top 20 is meant for stars? LOL. ANYONE can be on the top 20. And no, Shroud didn't have as good stats as Ska did. Shroud even admitted that Ska did better than him this year. And your logic makes NOOO SENSE LMFAO. Players are ranked individually, so you can't say one player represents the whole team. LOL. Ska is ranked in top 20, the rest of Titan is not. So the rest of Titan is not better than Ska, except for Shoxie. That's what's written in history buddy. So don't be salty. That's just a fact. All you're doing is speculating and making bullshit theories that don't even make sense lmfao. What im saying is very straightforward

2016-01-11 06:03

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Oh i get it, The rest of Titan isn't better than ska and ska is the best on Cloud9 just because he has better stats. So no one in Cloud9 is better than Shox by logic. A player from the shittiest french team is better than all of your shitty c9 :>

2016-01-11 06:08

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Shittiest french team? LOL your logic is so terrible. So what other french team is better than Titan except for Envyus hmm?? Shittiest? They're the second best french team LOL. But yeah Shoxie is better than everyone else on Cloud9, I never disagreed that. Shoxie is also better than some Envyus players too. Does that mean Envyus is worse than Titan? Lol no ofc not, but your logic is so fucking stupid huh? Ska is better than some envyus players, does that mean c9 is better than envyus? LOL No. You're just being so stupid and salty hahahaha

2016-01-11 06:10

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And every EnVy player is better than every Cloud9 player :)

2016-01-11 07:05

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I don't see every envy player in the top 20, do you? xD You were already wrong about Titan, you'll be wrong about Envy too, mad baguette fanboy xD

2016-01-11 07:14

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Happy NBK kennyS are gonna be in top 10, apEX is already in top20 if Kio makes it to the top your gonna be proven completly wrong :>

2016-01-11 07:18

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I already said envy is better than cloud9. You didn't prove me wrong. I proved you wrong about all of france > NA which I already proved wrong XDDDD And then I asked you which french team is better than Titan other than Envyus. And you didn't reply XDDDD Way to dodge man. Mannn it feels good to win arguments man, I love it

2016-01-11 07:20

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What u.s-Canadian team is better than cloud9 tho?

2016-01-11 07:21

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What point are you trying to make? xDD That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Again, you're dodging the question. You said "Worst french team is better than the best NA team" Who is better than Titan other than Envyus? Hm? LOL. Can you answer the question? Hahahahaha. And c9 is already ranked higher than titan and Ska is better than the rest of Titan other than Shoxie. So your arguments are shut down kiddo. Feels good to win :D

2016-01-11 07:23

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that is the entire point, there is a low level french team, low level is already higher than the best team from u.s-canada , and then there is one higher level than the low level in france. In u.s all of it is low level, their highest level is worst than the lowest france level. no team from u.s is better than the lowest team in france so by logic, france's best team is much better than u.s best team

2016-01-11 07:28

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AGAIN, you are missing the point because you're twisting the argument. I NEVER said NA > France. I KNOW that France is a country that is better at CS than the US. I never said US was better. I only shut down your stupid argument that ALL of france is better than the US. That's not true because Ska wouldn't be higher ranked than Titan players and some Envyus players. So that's the only argument I made. You keep twisting the argument and talking about ALL teams, when we were talking about individual players. You're just trying to be right about something, which u technically are, but it's a stupid argument you're making that's unrelated to the initial argument you made. I already shut down that stupid argument, so quit talking about other stuff. All of france is not greater than all of the US. People like Maniac, rpk, smithzz, and scream were ranked lower than Ska this year, so it shuts down your initial argument. End of story. Quit trying to talk about irrelevant things.

2016-01-11 08:27

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France alone >>>>> all of the entirity of n.a including canada mexico and u.s

2016-01-11 08:28

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LOL twisting the argument again. Didn't u see I AGREED with you when I said that France > NA? Not ALL of france though you idiot. Only Envyus and shoxie basically. No other french players, they're all irrelevant. Ska was ranked higher, so ALL of France is not better than ALL of the US. You are wrong and you have no more argument. Salty baguette. You lost the argument :')

2016-01-11 08:31

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EnVy and Titan , the only team i can see being worst than C9 is ldlc. end of the story, u lost, #XPOSED

2016-01-11 08:32

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So why isn't all of Titan in the top 20? HAHAHAHA you lost salty baguette. XDDDD. You losttttt. GG. If you cant explain why they're not in the top 20 and Skadoodle is, then you lost already hahahahaha

He did fine on the analysis desk not so long ago, plus he has a lot of experience as a player.

2016-01-10 18:21

Maniac got some of the best aproved points of csgo. He got some great tactics and i actually mean that he could be a great add to envyus in the way that they could get some more advanced force buys and in a way get better map control with those force buys.

2016-01-10 18:29

maniac is a crazy unstable fragger who blindly followed what existenz IGL says. he got forced out of titan for being shit. no other team will take him as player in french scene except ldlc.

I see you clearly know nothing or b8

2016-01-10 18:55

He's not unstable, he's just bad, BUT if you are the lurker and now you got a lurking shox on your team, of course you will become unnecessary ballast.

2016-01-11 07:02

Let go of his actual fragging power, he's not that good of a player in game, but it doesn't mean he can't contribute with a lot regarding tactics etc. How do you know he'd be stupid in that regard? Since they picked him up everything points on the other direction. Stupid amerifat.

2016-01-10 18:35

maniac is as dumb as he looks. 99% of whatever he says on the caster desk is obvious and he just agrees with everyone's opinions and follows along like a dog, like he did in titan.

2016-01-10 18:42

i can taste the salt

2016-01-10 18:47

0/8 bait The guy has finished psychology in a very renowned uni. He was also woeking as a dj and playkng counter strike all at the same time. This guy is undoubtedly one of smartest cs players ever. Now shut your mouth dumbass.

2016-01-10 19:01

>stupid af >speaks 10 lang

2016-01-10 19:10

2016-01-10 18:00

expected

2016-01-10 17:41

Maniac is a good coach

2016-01-10 17:46

Your comment is always first in all topics. cheater

2016-01-10 17:53

he is probably a time traveller, he knows the exact moment that a post will occur in hltv so uses that as an advantage to become #1. Btw good luck Maniac, i think you fit the position very well :)

2016-01-10 18:06

I wish...

I wonder if he is still going to sling tail seizeds way

2016-01-11 13:44

nice

2016-01-11 14:02

kappa

for the win

2016-01-10 18:17

i tweeted that today so expected 4 me twitter.com/JawboneJ/status/686211522159..

2016-01-10 17:38

Nice :P medium Give me bet advices pls Kappa

you didnt really predict it you just guessed hence maniac *?*

it was pretty obvious doe

-Maniac +Jawbone

it was pretty obvious after the hastr0 tweet...

Scrunk leaked it like a week ago ...

lol

Expected

Envy n1

What is the difference between maniac and nexts role?!

2016-01-10 19:26

Next i think is a manager, he doesn't talk to them as a coach would. If you watch, he usually doesn't say anything

2016-01-10 20:17

nice good luck

wtfff

coach ? bczz ?

next news in hltv: bczz joins g3x as coach Kappa

2016-01-10 17:44

no moman why..

2016-01-10 17:37

expected rly yes

RIP dreams that Maniac will play for Penta

he has a degree and used to work in a very good job. he then left his job just to get kicked from titan shortly after. u really thought it was realistic that he would play for some tier4 shitter team where he makes less than a beggar on the streets of berlin? likewise he was never good enuff to get on a team much better than penta, so coaching envy is by far the best thing he could have hoped for.

As much as I would have liked him in Penta, I wholly agree with you

2016-01-10 18:02

OMG YES

daymmmmmmmm

lmao

Are you actually a fan of nobody or just not a fan of anyone?

2016-01-10 18:13

hehe I am using it as a joke, my frienderino I don't have a favorite player tbh

2016-01-10 19:49

gotcha,that's what I thought haha

2016-01-10 21:43

nice. now nv will become a tier2 team

2016-01-11 17:11

fak

EnVy top1 soon

RIP shoxie dream [*]

wat

DJ MANIAC @ nV CLUB

Good move welcome Mani :D

rip nV

Good luck Maniac!

Expected for over a week

ez money for not doing anything coaches are worthless

The guy with drinks :DD:D

2016-01-10 17:40

what? coach helps the players lift up the heavy trophey!

2016-01-10 19:17

NO WAYYY

expected but also good =DDD

wow, t3 player coaches t1 players.

And is 10x smarter than the rest of the roster, if you saw him on analyst desks you could see how well he knows the game and clearly helped ex6 w/ Titans strats, Seangares and ex6 would be just as good coaches as him but you wouldn't complain if they were coaches

2016-01-10 18:12

expected 1st inc

PogChamp

Nice ! Good luck!

who would've guessed..

welcome maniac but sad to see him move to coaching

omg cool

cool

''I believe there were a few instances in 2015 where we let some games slip away that we should have won.'' ESL Cologne 2015 - de_dust2 from 15-8 to losing in OT. If nV won d2 they would have won Cologne 2015 but they didn't.

very expected

That is awesome =D

nice!

gl and welcome

Could be good. Could do nothing.

lol nice :D

LMAO

Cooool

gl Maniac

and who is the coach of g3x?

bczz Kappa

2016-01-10 17:47

no Kappa Keepo

SUCH A MAJOR NEWS. not

2016-01-10 17:43

WHY NEXT IS OUT?

he wasn't a coach lol, he's a manager and he's still in nV

why?

What do you mean ? The Team didn't have a Coach since LDLC days and felt the need for one so they hired Maniac..

Why?

2016-01-10 17:49

choke

Yes, they had; Moman was the coach.

2016-01-10 20:12

Yes as I said that was in LDLC, since LDLC days were done, moman stayed in LDLC and nV went on without a proper coach.

2016-01-10 20:37

2016-01-11 00:57

rip Next ?

good choice

WHY NEXT IS OUT? ANd ALSO WHY 3dfx IS NOT ALIVE ANYMORE? THANX

2016-01-10 17:45

no, next is game manager, maniac is now coach. Two different job

WHY so much money wasted? Can ENVYUS STructure can make 3dfx alive again in order to fight the egemony of nVIDIA? THX

Good !

lolololol rip next

:DDDDD

lel

I guess @WutFace is most needed here

medicpack

NICE!!!!! wp EnVy

Nice

rip envy and maniac's carrer

2016-01-10 17:52

i have a feeling that maniac will bring them down

2016-01-10 17:56

nah man he knows the game pretty well we will see

2016-01-10 17:57

good good

2016-01-10 17:51

its ok, gl!

Envy + maniac - +100skill:D

Booooo

youtube.com/watch?v=kxovzT2o4IE

2016-01-10 17:54

2016-01-10 17:55

Good luck with envy dj maniac!!! Hope they will achieve their goals!

nice !!!

DJ envyus mainiac

Hahahhaa Maniac coach xDD

bhahahaha

nice!!! go maniac!!!

bot maniac strats

nice :D

DJ Maniac EZ

2016-01-10 18:03

LOL-

2016-01-10 18:04

GL to him

fuck, i h8 NV :(

lol, so maniac has retire from playing?

ez 4 GOD MANIAC

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool what can maniac contribute to envyus

2016-01-10 18:07

HAHAHAHA

Ok maybe good step forward :D

2016-01-10 18:08

Nice!

2016-01-10 18:10

Good luckManiac :´(

2016-01-10 18:14

2016-01-10 18:15

Happy and Kioshima got married! #manlove

2016-01-10 18:16

Maniac <3

well, seems happy is finally done with baiting his teammates for frags on antieco-rounds

RiP NV

2016-01-10 18:19

Well this is good now maniac can regen the envy players HP in game

First i was happy "Maniac joins EnVyUs" and dissapointed "as coach" gl anyways:)

Damn unexpected nice!

Nice to see, gl Maniac!

noice

2016-01-10 18:23

I think maniac has a masters in psychology I'm sure he could use these skills to be an amazing coach

2016-01-10 18:26

yayyyy

2016-01-10 18:27

hahaahahhahaah rip

2016-01-10 18:28

ez for health pack

Good thing this noob finally got a job out of the game.. Still NiaK > MaNiaK

SeemsGood

2016-01-10 18:33

fucking Hedje, coaching NV, living the dream... :D

I present to you the fiffy/natu/Maniac theorem: Step 1) join a pro team Step 2) play like a silver and underperform all the time Step 3) get kicked Step 4) fail as an analyst Step 5) become a coach

2016-01-10 20:14

2016-01-11 02:05

Ez win inc

2016-01-10 18:34

YESSSSSS Mastermove pick-up for nV, they will absolutely benefit from Maniac's abilities to analyze the game and coach the team. And overall he's just a great guy that definitely deserves this opportunity. Wish him all the best. Maniac! <3

NICE ASF!!

2016-01-10 18:36

nice :)

2016-01-10 18:41

2016-01-10 18:44

Laniac

2016-01-10 18:49

lol hissss

2016-01-10 18:52

Why the fuk is he going to coach he's a solid fkn support player also what happened to uziii???

2016-01-10 18:53

GLLLLLLLLLL MANIAC <3

he'll probably earn as much being coach for nV than by playing for titan. tfw no cashprize

2016-01-10 18:57

didn't expected

2016-01-10 18:58

lol favela english

expected Kappa

good to him. better be coach in envy than player in shittan

2016-01-10 19:09

expected af tnx Zeus EnVy: +Maniac as coach Hellraisers: -Schneider + Zero CLG: +Stewie +Akis TSM: +Semphis +Autimatic +FNS +Fugly Cloud 9: +Tarik New team: Pronax, Twist, Schneider, Devilwalk, Pauf

if that swedish teams happens, hope they dont pick dw, he is just not enough skilled, i assume pronax would be igl

2016-01-10 19:40

The plot thickens

2016-01-10 19:22

unexpected

2016-01-10 19:25

Guys how does maniacs role then differ from nexts role?!

Not expected

Didn't expected at all.

2016-01-10 19:39

A manager, COACH, he is a fckng manager man! *dazed voice*

gz every team should have a medkit tbh

2016-01-10 19:42

very nice good luck maniac

2016-01-10 19:57

This will be good for them

2016-01-10 19:58

envy tier 3 now Kappa

2016-01-10 20:01

Bot strats inc.

2016-01-10 20:08

2016-01-10 20:27

It's good imo. KennyS, apEX, Happy. They are friends with maniac. Increased happy strats. Kappa

2016-01-10 20:30

Reason why it's great is that he's an educated psychologist, so he could be the best coach in the world for a team with as many psychological problems (Happy) as nV.

2016-01-10 20:42

+1000

2016-01-10 21:36

funny how people are saying "Maniac won't be a good coach" when they have absolutely ZERO professional CS experience much less league experience at all. HLTV people are ignorant as fuck.

+ dat is tru

2016-01-10 21:50

nV must have their reasons to hire maniac

2016-01-10 21:52

2016-01-10 22:16

A coach! A fucking manager!

2016-01-10 22:17

HOw can i bot make u #1 in the world LOL look wat happened 2 mouz buahahah

2016-01-10 23:59

Have yoou ever heard to a Titan Teamspeak? Maniac is very aware and "sympathic". It's a good thing, but right in the game it's just a subtop player, but I'm quiet sure he could be fine. Moman is better player than him? Go play with kangaroo and drink fucking car oil in your desert of retards thx

2016-01-11 01:00

cant wait for isis 2 blow ur country up again also im not aussie thanks :D

2016-01-11 07:40

Just shut up you have no history only colonialism shut up.... What are you doing here go on a surf forum sob

2016-01-11 13:21

PRAY FOR PARIS BOOO HOOOO go cry u lil frog fak

2016-01-11 13:57

They have no history, you have no future.

2016-01-11 17:13

lol good luck. everytime kennys' teams sucked, they always turned to more and more tactics. this shit isn't gonna work. eventually happy gets kicked or titan starts poaching. countdown started when LG beat that ass last month

2016-01-11 00:59