? create own organization *

19-1-2016 09:07

Team Question Mark, who were without an organization for over a month, decided to create an organization called Astralis, supported by a couple of investors, Sunstone Capital and Tommy Ahlers.

Ever since early December 2015, the Danish team were without an organization following their departure from TSM, whom they represented for a year.

Since then rumours have been spreading about their new organization, which included names such as FaZe Clan and Alliance, although it turns out they are going in a different direction entirely.

Question Mark become Astralis

The team, together with their agent Frederik Byskov, decided to build a new organization called Astralis, which has received funding from a couple of investors: Sunstone Capital and Tommy Ahlers.

Main ownership will be in the hands of Jakob Lund Kristensen and Frederik Byskov, with the players and investors holding an unspecified percentage of shares.

All involved set a goal for themselves to create an organization without putting a strain on the players by setting worrying or exhausting terms in the deal, which will also be transparent; the players will be free to discuss all monetary transactions, if they so choose.

"When we first heard about this project, we all thought it was an extraordinary chance to make our own mark in esports. We chose this offer over countless others, including far more profitable in the short term, because we believe in building something that will have a lasting impression on the game we love." Finn "karrigan" Andersen said in a statement on the team's new website.

Astralis boast the following lineup:

Nicolai "⁠device⁠" Reedtz
René "⁠cajunb⁠" Borg
Andreas "⁠Xyp9x⁠" Højsleth
Finn "⁠karrigan⁠" Andersen
Peter "⁠dupreeh⁠" Rasmussen

Danny "⁠zonic⁠" Sørensen (coach)

The team's debut under the new name will be in just a few days, as they will be battling dignitas in group B of DreamHack ZOWIE Open Leipzig on January 22nd.

* UPDATE: HLTV.org has learned that Frederik Byskov and Jakob Lund Kristensen are the main owners, in fact, not Sunstone Capital and Tommy Ahlers.

new name, no choke on lans kappa

2016-01-19 09:08

24 replies

EXPECTED from Nobody

2016-01-19 09:09

4 replies

How nobody pick them

2016-01-19 09:13

2 replies

They didn't want to join orgs who approached them ie. Optic.

2016-01-19 09:22

How nobody reads? "When we first heard about this project, we all thought it was an extraordinary chance to make our own mark in esports. We chose this offer over countless others, including far more profitable in the short term, because we believe in building something that will have a lasting impression on the game we love."

2016-01-19 09:27

-karrigan +aizy damn

2016-01-21 14:09

nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2016-01-19-milli.. Invenstors helping them out :3 Sry for replying to first comment, no #attientionwhore

2016-01-19 09:14

9 replies

short translate pls

2016-01-19 09:21

2 replies

Danish IT-Millionaires are investing in this with the purpose of making a global contending organization. Rest of article is just about CS scenes growth

2016-01-19 09:26

Millions are being invested into Danish computerstars. Some big cheeses are putting money into these guys as sponsors and investors, and that is pretty much it. Edit: not much is really being told about the sponsors etc. The majority of the article is just about the e-sports scene and the teams history.

2016-01-19 09:27

thanks for posting this the title of this HLTV post is very misleading (to refer to this as 'player owned'). "The investment fund Sunstone Capital and IT millionaire, Tommy Ahlers, invest millions in new Danish e-sports adventure. Astralis Ltd. will mainly be owned by investors Tommy Ahlers and Sunstone Capital as well as by Frederik Byskov and Jacob Lund Kristensen, who will be responsible for the daily operations of the company."

2016-01-19 09:27

3 replies

It's co-owned by the players.

2016-01-19 10:32

2 replies

maybe it is just me but where it says 'player-owned' in the subtitle of this article seems to imply it is owned solely by the players, which is why i said it was misleading

2016-01-19 10:47

1 reply

Ah, gotcha. Yeah I don't know why they lead with that subtitle.

2016-01-19 10:49

Nice CoD4 images in the reportage btw XDD

2016-01-19 11:12

lol that COD4 footage tho (probably had some context but I dont know danish for sht)

2016-01-19 14:49

Chokelis

2016-01-19 09:19

1 reply

Chokeallis

2016-01-19 09:45

ugly logo:(

2016-01-19 09:26

1 reply

This logo looks like some sort of a communist symbol imo.

2016-01-19 16:29

astranglis is probably the best pun you could come up with

2016-01-19 09:32

WHY NOT " MTW " ! whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

2016-01-19 10:27

1 reply

Because it an german e-sport org, that cant just be bought?!

2016-01-19 12:14

Good on them! They're taking matters in their own hands and I doubt they'll do worse than so called established orgs :)

2016-01-19 11:10

chokelis

2016-01-19 16:10

best team eu confirmed

2016-01-19 09:08

12 replies

Still not better than Renegades

2016-01-19 09:11

5 replies

2016-01-19 09:15

nawhh :333

2016-01-19 09:46

Havoc best beard. That's about it really...

2016-01-19 11:11

You are so evil japan, just like me

2016-01-19 11:59

1 reply

I am good bangladesh, m8

2016-01-19 12:14

This will not work out!

2016-01-19 10:00

5 replies

y not?

2016-01-19 11:11

4 replies

Travel expenses. ;) They will not like the fact that they will be paying for their traveling expenses themselves when alot of LAN tournies takes place.

2016-01-19 11:20

3 replies

1st of all, i took their winnings of 2015 combined with a monthly salary of tsm (i took 4k$ each) and sticker/signature/streaming money and came to a number around 18k$ each (per month).. They earn that amount through out 2015 each month.. Maybe after taxes around 12k$ a month... Besides this they have ahlers and this other company (rich mofos) as investors.. They wont pay anything themselfs and will get a good salary aswell ;) read first before writing a comment

2016-01-19 11:34

You don't think they've thought about this when big orgs actually approached them with offers? In the long run they will make A LOT more. A LOT!

2016-01-19 12:09

A brain. Do you have it, motherfucker?

2016-01-19 12:18

2016-01-19 09:08

Expeccted

2016-01-19 09:08

lal

2016-01-19 09:08

Amazing!

2016-01-19 09:08

fuck

2016-01-19 09:08

lol

2016-01-19 09:08

Unexpected

2016-01-19 09:08

Stole my news rip

2016-01-19 09:08

wut

2016-01-19 09:09

noice, I guess

2016-01-19 09:09

RIP no FaZe clan :/

2016-01-19 09:09

2 replies

Faze is doing some shit with Youtubers :D

2016-01-19 10:40

Nah, Faze got G2's team so they're fine.

2016-01-20 10:44

Like TSM did in the LOL scene, nice

2016-01-19 09:09

So fucking expected

2016-01-19 09:09

money inc

2016-01-19 09:09

lmao, rip eg dream

2016-01-19 09:09

OMFG YES!

2016-01-19 09:09

For all danes or people who can read Danish: nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2016-01-19-milli.. - Good luck fellas!

2016-01-19 09:10

5 replies

E Z P Z for Malmö Swede, huehue

2016-01-19 09:15

or for people who can use google translate :p

2016-01-19 09:29

lmao why are they showing h2k playing cod4 promod, it makes me sad :/

2016-01-19 16:17

1 reply

Agree mah friend!

2016-01-19 19:09

25 mill in revenue holy shet!

2016-01-19 17:28

TQM > TSM

2016-01-19 09:10

GL Astralis

2016-01-19 09:10

There used to be an old school Finnish team with the same name featuring contE, plastE, ruuit etc. Are these newbies even aware of that? Thieves.

2016-01-19 09:10

23 replies

eestralis dude, eestralis

2016-01-19 09:13

5 replies

that was an "inside joke" mixed with astralis :D astralis is old finnish team.

2016-01-19 09:17

4 replies

Freon still alive. :D

2016-01-19 10:06

2 replies

yay =D

2016-01-19 10:17

1 reply

emozzle ;D

2016-01-19 13:34

pls make a comeback dude, bring jigetus with you

2016-01-19 17:52

instantly thought the same. youtube.com/watch?v=g9-pikLfdsI

2016-01-19 09:14

Yeah they bought the name etc.

2016-01-19 09:16

6 replies

source? or u bein sarcastic?

2016-01-19 09:21

5 replies

Reddit thread. Some verified guy who break the news(assuming he is in this organisation anyway) said it. Somebody else also noted that this is old Finnish 1.6 team.

2016-01-19 09:24

4 replies

Yeah I remember Astralis from 1.6. but TQM really had to pay tocget the name? xd or was it more like a gesture to prevent the drama?

2016-01-19 09:28

3 replies

no idea, i guess they paid something. I doubt it was huge amount tho. Litreally went for dead org name so.. and i think the owners of that name would be more than happy to give it to Tier1 team. To keep the ''legacy alive'' :D.

2016-01-19 09:32

It was pretty much a gesture (dont think they paid that much), but a very cool one. To prevent drama as you say

2016-01-19 12:13

more like a gesture yeah they said they couldve gotten it either way

2016-01-19 12:17

+1 this

2016-01-19 09:18

According to their tweets they are well aware of this. Those Finns are legends :)

2016-01-19 09:19

Actually they are not thieves since they bought the rights to the name. :D

2016-01-19 10:05

Immediately popped into my mind. (BloodR, Guardian, Tihop, kuvick & dooberi was the lineup I remember personally).

2016-01-19 11:14

.ö-m,

2016-01-19 11:56

yup, my thoughts

2016-01-19 11:52

Actually they contacted the finns and bought them name before announcing anything. Remember zonic and KarrigaN are not newbies. Very cool move imo

2016-01-19 12:11

Frederik, zonic, cajunb and karrigaN were all playing at that time, so they were most likely aware of it.

2016-01-19 16:21

+1 hltv.org/news/243-astralis-is-finnished

2016-01-19 18:25

Logo? For dem stickers :P

2016-01-19 09:11

3 replies

imbo2.tv2.dk/users/editorial/images/c396..

2016-01-19 11:24

2 replies

Another red logo, pure shit

2016-01-19 11:29

That looks terrible...

2016-01-19 11:59

That is weird. Basically it's a team with NO org at all? Or what makes,the,difference between org and a team? good for the players I guess... 100% tournament winnings&stickermoneys for themselves.

2016-01-19 09:11

8 replies

Its a ORG. They own the org. Or some pieces of the org.

2016-01-19 09:34

2 replies

If its owned by the players how does it differ from being a team? It basically is a team with sponsors, twitter and a website :D

2016-01-19 11:53

1 reply

It's basically co-owned by the players, together with management, funds and investors if I get it correct.

2016-01-19 12:14

You get 100% anywhere.. TSM, fnatic, envyus all get 100% sticket/winnings.. Maybe navi doesnt as they still have an old contract? As much as i am aware teams had to give a part of these earnings to the orgs, but it changed and there might be some teams that still have this clause in their contracts but they wont sign a new one without 100% earnings for sure.. Basicly no difference except the teams in a org get a monthly salary no matter how high the prizemoney / stickermoney was.. Therefor you need to have a certain amount of streaming hours and advertise the sponsors.. EDIT: ex tsm is playing as astralis now which is a new org and they are co-owners. Means, they dont have their annoying streaming clauses in contracts cuz they own that shit and make their own rules.. They have investors tho, so they will get a salary paied by the investors

2016-01-19 11:45

4 replies

So why would investors invest in a org which will not earn any money (no prizemoney earnings, no stickers, no streams to support sponsors to have bigger value for sponsors which will eventually bring in more money...)?

2016-01-19 11:56

2 replies

Well they will have some kind of benefit i guess.. Esports is a big business nowadays, i think we cant imagine how much money goes around month after month

2016-01-19 11:58

top b8

2016-01-19 14:28

EDIT: ex tsm is playing as astralis now which is a new org and they are co-owners. Means, they dont have their annoying streaming clauses in contracts cuz they own that shit and make their own rules.. They have investors tho, so they will get a salary paied by the investors That really depends on what the investors expect, what they agreed on and what is written into their contracts. Also you're wrong when you say that everyone gets 100 % of anything, that is simply not true.

2016-01-19 16:31

Rip Team Secret Dream

2016-01-19 09:11

This should have been done before, taz said it was their greatest regret that they didn't have their own org. goodluck

2016-01-19 09:11

3 replies

Don't worry Taz and the boys will join Astralis in a partnership deal :D You heard it here first

2016-01-19 12:16

2 replies

Why would they do that, if they wanted they can get their own org, plus.. most of them are past their prime and virtus pro just got a $100m investment they can spend as much as they want on the csgo team and make it worth it for them to stay on the team.

2016-01-19 13:26

1 reply

It was clearly a joke

2016-01-19 13:40

So money ?

2016-01-19 09:11

Please make a fucking good logo and then disband for ez money in my wallet

2016-01-19 09:12

eestralis wannabe

2016-01-19 09:12

FIRST

2016-01-19 09:12

and thats the "next org hype" pffft my ass

2016-01-19 09:12

ayyy

2016-01-19 09:12

thier logo will be a picture of device having hands choking his throat.

2016-01-19 09:12

Rip

2016-01-19 09:12

nice logo

2016-01-19 09:13

rip ? sticker

2016-01-19 09:13

expected af

2016-01-19 09:13

tihOp and bloodR comeback? Nice

2016-01-19 09:13

14 replies

wat

2016-01-19 09:15

9 replies

new fag

2016-01-19 09:17

8 replies

lol dont give a fuck about low cs 1.6 finnish scene

2016-01-19 09:18

7 replies

eh? THIS is astralis youtube.com/watch?v=IZ8qi4Zj6sY youtube.com/watch?v=4RhTV4H0TZU

2016-01-19 09:20

5 replies

so where am I wrong? I know spikeone and jigetus but tihop and bloodr..

2016-01-19 09:31

4 replies

nice edit, "i dont care about some cod players" :DDDDD

2016-01-19 09:31

Tihop and BloodR are two of the best 10 finnish players of all time, Spikeone and jigetus ain't.

2016-01-19 16:34

2 replies

what are you saying??? spikeone is one of the best fin players all time youtube.com/watch?v=FZN3I4et994 dont talk shit about him if you dont know him....

2016-01-21 05:42

1 reply

I do know him, but there are players ahead of him. zet0r, Neutron, Fukush, diGitaL, myssE, natu, tihop, BloodR, PlastE, contE, ruuit, naSu, biggs, Tico, Guardian, vfak. You only talk shit because you know him and not all the rest. You might try and understand that a finnish team was once considered the best in the world. Most of these players played when the scene was bigger in terms of teams. No doubt Spikeone was a good player and he could be considered top15, but there are many great finnish players during history and you don't know most of them.

2016-01-21 19:00

these guys were actually quite talented but wouldn't expect some 14 year old like you to know or care about that. obviously just some new fag

2016-01-19 09:31

gogo Finland guardian youtube.com/watch?v=IZ8qi4Zj6sY

2016-01-19 09:18

SPIKEONE and jigetus confirmed too

2016-01-19 09:20

bloodR has actually played CSGO some hundred hours. AFAIK he's not going to make comeback tho.

2016-01-19 10:04

1 reply

Most of the guys from 1.6 era that quit the competitive gaming in 2005-2008 are still playing cs go. Just under different nicknames and just for fun. It wouldn't be totally impossible to maybe see some of them attending a small event at some point, but I dont think anybody is really looking for a "comeback" of any sort.

2016-01-19 11:44

2016-01-19 09:14

Sådan boiis :)

2016-01-19 09:14

Boring tbh.

2016-01-19 09:14

Unexpected

2016-01-19 09:15

Astralis lets go

2016-01-19 09:15

1 reply

astralis lets chokelis in 1/2 or 1/4 as always xd

2016-01-19 09:16

astralis? really? gj ruining the name of astralis gaming. how about making new org called VeryGames?

2016-01-19 09:16

6 replies

yeah jemmis, let's find 3 other players!

2016-01-19 09:40

Ruining? They're a tier 1 team

2016-01-19 09:43

astralis = irrelevant unknownS ? = tier 1 team

2016-01-19 13:15

3 replies

nt, atleast they didnt choke in every lan :S

2016-01-19 14:10

2 replies

nt , atleast they play at lans :S

2016-01-19 15:31

1 reply

okay =)))

2016-01-19 15:49

WTF!? ASTRALIS IS A FINLAND OLD SCHOOL TEAM!

2016-01-19 09:16

What is this? they're not Astralis Gaming ffs.

2016-01-19 09:17

1 reply

rip life

2016-01-19 09:19

There gonna be named Astralis or something like that nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2016-01-19-milli.. do the google translate brahs

2016-01-19 09:19

steamcommunity.com/groups/AstralisTeam

2016-01-19 09:18

They made a "new" org that has the same name as a famous old org?!... OK then... inb4 throws

2016-01-19 09:18

That name brings back memories :)

2016-01-19 09:18

astralis? not new. Was top finish team

2016-01-19 09:20

kek

2016-01-19 09:20

4 replies

Bobo! Tanga! Anong kagagihan yang comment mo? Nonsense ang puta.

2016-01-19 10:50

3 replies

sure sounds like some good translate program +1

2016-01-19 11:22

2 replies

Bobo talaga ang puta. Na typo lang translate program na kaagad. HAHAHA. King ina mong bobo ka! UNINSTALL mo na csgo mo SILVER 4Head

2016-01-19 17:36

1 reply

ano pinaglalaban mo? )

2016-01-19 18:23

LOL

2016-01-19 09:21

2016-01-19 09:23

nice, stolen team name.

2016-01-19 09:24

1 reply

they bought the rights..

2016-01-19 10:29

good luck to them! stole a great name but jokes on them. the name was cursed anyway :D

2016-01-19 09:25

2 replies

They bought the right for the name.. It's on reddit.

2016-01-19 10:17

1 reply

yes i'm aware

2016-01-19 10:21

waste of money buying the name, why not just create own?

2016-01-19 09:25

7 replies

"We had been bouncing names and ideas off the wall about the name, and we really really liked Astralis. Obtaining the rights was simply to do this the right way. We want to do things by the books." Im not sure if money was involved.

2016-01-19 09:55

6 replies

I think it definetely was but the question is : how much?

2016-01-19 10:29

3 replies

five fiddy

2016-01-19 10:31

2 replies

Tree fiddy

2016-01-19 13:09

1 reply

fuk u lok nes

2016-01-19 13:11

it was

2016-01-19 10:43

1 reply

Any clarifications? "Obtained" is pretty misleading.

2016-01-19 10:44

I dont get the name. Old school finish team. Juuso "contE" Sajakoski Samu "plastE" Aalto Jirka "jigetus" Ryhti Atte "VIDI" Hyvakka Max "ruuit" Aspe

2016-01-19 09:27

7 replies

they had many lineups. when i think of astralis the first players popping in to my mind are BloodR, tih0p and Gua

2016-01-19 09:30

2 replies

Yeah BloodR and tih0p I recall.

2016-01-19 09:35

I think (one of the) first iterations were bloodr, tihop, dooberi, guardian and kuvick.

2016-01-19 11:24

Jugetus every day combat. Oh my lord, nostalgie about 1.6 old school times...

2016-01-19 09:37

2 replies

youtube.com/watch?v=IZ8qi4Zj6sY I love the gfx :D

2016-01-19 09:40

1 reply

yeah :D and the frags are not even good in today's standards. but i saw that video when it came out and was blown away by it! as a side note, that inferno just looks better. i wish they'd make csgo inf like that

2016-01-19 09:45

There's a lot of things in this world you don't get mate ;) PS: Beers on you next time we catch up you old mofo!

2016-01-19 11:17

Niceee

2016-01-19 09:28

lol

2016-01-19 09:28

blackjack & hookers included?

2016-01-19 09:28

SO LATE HLTV

2016-01-19 09:28

inb4 canjunb steals all the money to buy a bugatti

2016-01-19 09:29

rip

2016-01-19 09:30

WHY NOT A TITAN? this label is FREE! MORONS

2016-01-19 09:29

so many butthurt drunk finnish people lol

2016-01-19 09:30

This is a very bold move of the danes. I pray that it will turn out good for them and they can reap the rewards of their risk. Obviously it's an weakness to have players involved with the ownership, and looking towards fnatic, how they managed to improve with every player change, i can be worried that this might be an impeding factor. With that said, i can understand their motivation and the unique chance they possessed. I respect their decision, i will be there cheering for you guys like always, and i look forward to an hopefully successful 2016 in the name of Astralis! Good luck guys!

2016-01-19 09:31

27 replies

It is a nice change of pace to come across a coherent logical comment on HLTV :p +1

2016-01-19 09:33

They're not the owners of the team, it is some two other guys but they got aparts in the company, you can read it at nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2016-01-19-milli..

2016-01-19 09:37

22 replies

If the news article from tv2 is correct, then they are indeed owners. You might argue they are not majority stake holders, but it clearly states they are involved with the ownership. "Derudover har de fem spillere på holdet også anparter."

2016-01-19 09:51

21 replies

You just make it seem like it's only them, calling them the only owners, you know how much there is behind the scene, with website, sponsors etc, that's why players can never be the real owners that's why Tommy and Frederik got anparters in the team. would just call EX-TSM shareholders, not owners.

2016-01-19 09:55

13 replies

No i did not? "players involved with the ownership" You should read before commenting and honestly you don't seem to know much about business either.

2016-01-19 10:00

12 replies

"Involved with the ownership" you just rekt yourself, dude my granddad made millions of shareholding and you think you can teach me something?

2016-01-19 10:02

11 replies

Makes no sense arguing this, you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.

2016-01-19 10:21

9 replies

You clearly have no knowledge* saying the guy that can't difference between idea and knowledge. /Close

2016-01-19 10:24

8 replies

First of all he never 'made it seem like it's only them...' as you stated earlier. He is clearly referring to the article which says the players are INVOLVED IN THE OWNERSHIP Also, in English, it is completely acceptable for him to say 'you have no idea what you are talking about', in fact hearing this is much more common in conversational English than saying "you clearly have no knowledge of what you are talking about" so actually you're wrong all the way around, nt tho

2016-01-19 10:45

3 replies

American is not English, and they don't have ownership but shareholds, so please gtfo they havn't given them title as a manager or anything, so please learn your facts before talking

2016-01-19 10:55

2 replies

At this point you turned to trolling since you obviously realized you said some dumb shit. If however you aren't trolling I suggest visiting a psychiatrist as you might have some mental disorder.

2016-01-19 12:50

U are one dumb mofo! Eod.

2016-01-19 15:23

WTF did I just read. Dude you're dumber than a braindead carrot.

2016-01-19 10:56

3 replies

Being right = dumb, expected from finnish nazi.

2016-01-19 10:57

2 replies

No you started the whole argument by stating that BATISTUTA's post makes it seem like the team are the only owners which it clearly does not. Then you try to make a shitty comeback riding on a success of your granddad, like the knowledge is genetic somehow lmao.

2016-01-19 11:15

1 reply

Riding on my granddad's succes have nothing to do with it, our family talks about shareholds almost everyday we love to buy shareholds from different companies, it have nothing to do with genetic just how my granddad affect me and the males of our family, so please gtfo with that, twisting my tongue and shit, making me sound like steel and i meant they're not involved with the any kinds of ownership what so ever they're just shareholders, depends if they use at least 5% more of their time managing the org, which i've a hard time imagining, no reason to be a brain cancer.

2016-01-19 11:22

millions of shareholding lmao, danish english best english. kamelåså.

2016-01-19 13:13

The article is correct. Frederik Byskov read it for fact-check before it was published. You are right and csgo_dev_Benson is wrong in the interpretation of the words I wrote in the article at tv2.dk.

2016-01-19 14:46

6 replies

Thanks :)

2016-01-19 14:46

Are you involved again, as PR?

2016-01-19 16:48

4 replies

I work at TV 2 Denmark and wrote the article about the team. I'm not working for the team if that's what you mean :)

2016-01-19 17:51

3 replies

Ah, finally teamed up with sjippah...

2016-01-19 18:12

2 replies

Yeah, we worked literally next to each other today in the newsroom and was talking esports quite a bit during the afternoon ;) hehe

2016-01-19 20:14

1 reply

Hah, thats pretty fortunate, he is cool guy. We used to have a lot of fun playing together.

2016-01-19 20:32

that is true. one good thing about the players owning part of the organization is that even if a player change was needed, it is still in everyone's interest to have the team perform at its best. as its success benefits the owners.

2016-01-19 09:51

Obviously it's an weakness to have players involved with the ownership. Depends on how the roles are defined and I am sure that the players themselves won't be too involved and can focus more on their part of it - playing. People tend to work harder for something they are a part of and can see a more long term benefit from compared to the other way around.

2016-01-19 16:47

1 reply

I agree, could be worded better. It's more of a risk which could result in a weakness.

2016-01-19 17:05

I always know Team choke M is stupid. That's why they always choke on majors and never will be tier1.

2016-01-19 09:32

lmao "no one wants us so we gonna create our own organization with blackjack and hookers"

2016-01-19 09:33

8 replies

yea, I think so too, no one wants major chockers with $5k salary per player every month with 100% of sticker money and 100% of winning money. Get star-twisted a lot. I remember days when they was dignitas. And they not improved their game a lot actually. Still shitgnitas.

2016-01-19 09:42

7 replies

lmao you really dont like them do you. u jelly m8?

2016-01-19 09:53

6 replies

I just don't like star-twisted shitty players, who think tey are tier 1, but they never will be. Even young LG have much more potential than they. They are not choking, they just can't. They showing their maximum and sucking. They not deserved what they got and it's unfair. I'm working 40 hours per week, 5 days, and earning 4k/month, why I should be jelly about guys who is playing and learning cs like 16 hours per day and have nothing to do out of it in their life? It's sad. Nothing to be jelly about it.

2016-01-19 10:20

5 replies

How the fuck is a team that placed themselfs in 17 out of 21 offline tournaments in top 4 not worth getting payed fulltime? They won 5 tournaments (with all the topteams attending) placed 5 times 2nd and 7times 3rd-4th only 4 times below #4... With your logic no team besides fnatic deserves a full support... You are just dumb as fuck... Im 100% sure they got very very very good offers from tons of top orgs and thats because they are a top 5 team in the world and they could win any tournament at anytime, they just need to pass that semifinal of a major once and they will probably win the major and the chokes will be gone... You are just low minded and should realy stop writing in topics like this one

2016-01-19 13:15

1 reply

these kids nowadays don't realize that top teams are all high skilled. for some reason they consider only top 1-3 worth something and fail to realize only one team can win a tournament. all the rest of the top teams place somewhere below that. finishing top 4 is a big deal.

2016-01-19 14:50

TSM,TQM,? have won a lot more tournaments than LG ever have.

2016-01-19 13:21

1 reply

maybe he considerd the brazilian tournaments aswell

2016-01-19 14:55

you sound quite bitter m8, shitty players??? 3 of them are in the top 20 lol? "nothing to do out of it in their life" doesnt even make sense I wouldnt mind travelling the world playing a game i love. What job do you have? You deffo jelly m8 soz just accept it

2016-01-19 16:41

NICE

2016-01-19 09:34

called it

2016-01-19 09:39

New org, still the same chokers

2016-01-19 09:39

wow~ nice sticker

2016-01-19 09:39

'Astralis' sucks. Seems like a 10 y old's science project team tbh. What was wrong with 'Team question mark' ??? TQM made one reminisce of TSM.

2016-01-19 09:40

7 replies

At least now we won't see a super childlish MOBA oriented name tag in CS matches for now

2016-01-19 09:47

6 replies

haha.. true

2016-01-19 09:52

+ Astralis is actually an oldschool Finnish cs organisation and team (2004-2006).

2016-01-19 10:09

4 replies

Let's hope they can bring the legacy,instead of bashing them "omg me 1.6 1337ist look at me i iz old playa they no good steal astralis name" like some retards does

2016-01-19 14:25

They also played under the astralis name in 08 and 09.

2016-01-19 16:51

2 replies

08? I only remember 09 when they played under the name Astralis for like 3-4 months.

2016-01-19 20:48

1 reply

Maybe I remember wrong then, guess they still played under roccat in 08

2016-01-19 21:44

ASSRAILS LOL

2016-01-19 09:41

great move! they invest while they can, and as long as the team stays on the top level they'll profit even from new players for years to come.

2016-01-19 09:44

Team Solo Choke is better :c

2016-01-19 09:44

It's really smart actually, if the players own the organisation, they win everything, money stickers, prizes, salaries, all of it since they are owners and employees.

2016-01-19 09:48

2 replies

They got a 1 million investment from a danish millionnaire. they don't own the org, at least not 100%

2016-01-19 09:55

1 reply

More like 5%/player

2016-01-19 11:55

a lot of jelly kids up in here gl to them :))

2016-01-19 09:54

gl Astralis ;)

2016-01-19 09:55

Team Rash B in honor of Team Solo Mid.

2016-01-19 09:56

1 reply

But they need to create full russian team to execute rush b tactics

2016-01-19 11:14

Astralis = "Star" in Latin btw

2016-01-19 09:57

they might be chokers but they're smart tbh

2016-01-19 09:57

good luck

2016-01-19 09:57

Nice

2016-01-19 09:58

name thieves :(( but if they bought the name fair and square then sure, no problem. anyhow still reminds me of the 1.6 team tho

2016-01-19 10:00

1 reply

they bought it, they said it on reddit 30 min ago

2016-01-19 10:01

Gl to plastE and contE

2016-01-19 10:03

expected noKappa

2016-01-19 10:11

bloodR confirmed

2016-01-19 10:11

assralis

2016-01-19 10:14

2 replies

assrails

2016-01-19 10:39

1 reply

assralis better cuz it sounds the same so casters can use it

2016-01-19 11:50

But what happens when they need to kick someone? The guy will stop playing but stil get profit from the org? so in the end it becomes just a standard org with former proplayers as onwers..

2016-01-19 10:14

5 replies

i think any new player will be contracted only the original five own the company.

2016-01-19 10:15

There will be reddit AMA which will answer everything including this.

2016-01-19 10:22

If they want to kick somebody it's gonna a long and complicated process, but not impossible. I think they will pay the kicked player a some sort of "severance pay" + the amount that he owns from the company. Now the player just needs to accept that. And I think anybody would prefer this option instead of share issues that are very uncertain. But yeah I haven't seen the contract so it's pretty pointless to even think about this.

2016-01-19 10:38

1 reply

yeah, I guess that will be the option. And it's easy to go for it as they haven't reached anything profit or businesswise. anyway it will be running in the frames of standard coporate law. But taking to account how the relationships in teams get spoiled from time to time, the conflicts will be there and that's going to be tough.

2016-01-19 11:23

I think their part is going to be bought out if they get kicked

2016-01-19 13:22

gl tihOp bloodR NicoustiE kuviCk & Guardian

2016-01-19 10:16

Relly bad of Striker not to include their new name in the title tbh-

2016-01-19 10:18

1 reply

after ur quotes yesterday in the "richard lewis thread" and the comparison with team secret, tell me: do u feel dumb?

2016-01-19 12:29

NOT expected :/

2016-01-19 10:19

unexpected :O Gl in the future astralis :)

2016-01-19 10:20

Sounds gay :/

2016-01-19 10:21

Most fuckboy org name I have ever heard.

2016-01-19 10:25

I don't understand why so many people are against this (at least in reddit)? If they bought the rights and they really like the name Astralis then it's totally ok for me. And I bet the old astralis boys like this too. :) Why wouldn't they?

2016-01-19 10:26

3 replies

Hm i guess it's just that even though they got the rights to the name etc, astralis housed some of finlands finest players, and the name is associated with finland. And now it will be associated with Denmark. So i guess some finns will be mad about this. I mean imagine if NiP went bankrupt and the players decided to make their own org, and then call it eoLithic for example..

2016-01-19 12:35

2 replies

as a finn i have no problem with them using the name astralis. on the contrary, i think it was a good move. of course i wasn't part of astralis at any point but i doubt they mind either

2016-01-19 13:54

or perhaps even mTw... oh wait...

2016-01-19 16:54

gl to them!

2016-01-19 10:29

Sticker money dictated this decision. I have no doubt in my mind.

2016-01-19 10:32

1 reply

No cuz nowadays people get 100% in every org which is worth signing for..

2016-01-19 13:29

name is pretty awkward to say, they better make the stickers cool on csgo.... xdd

2016-01-19 10:32

Wow. Congrats to them, that is a big move. Best of luck to all involved!

2016-01-19 10:35

LETS GO steamcommunity.com/groups/AstraliseS

2016-01-19 10:37

FUCKING COPYCATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2016-01-19 10:37

3 replies

If you we're able to use your eyes, you would know that they have been in talks with the owners of the old team.. And they have the rights to use it, gg, bye.

2016-01-19 10:47

2 replies

rights to use it doesnt mean that they arent copycats

2016-01-19 14:42

No fucking shit sherlock? Have rights or not, still lame af to use old CS team name. It's like nickname, you have to invent it yourself. No one is using any of ex-pros nicknames as well. (Expect ScreaM, GuardiaN) It's about respect and sportsmanship.

2016-01-19 20:25

Tier 5.

2016-01-19 10:39

2016-01-19 10:40

cant wait for the stickers

2016-01-19 10:41

great idea. If the orgs wont give you power, take the power yourself.

2016-01-19 10:42

really sick

2016-01-19 10:44

this is a smart move because they will now receive all of the sticker moneyz, not an org to split em

2016-01-19 10:48

Nice name SICK STICKERS! Can't wait to have some........

2016-01-19 10:49

Astralis .....really shit name.

2016-01-19 10:50

what about stickers, they are going up in price?

2016-01-19 10:52

new name, same choke

2016-01-19 10:56

Astralis will always belong to great oldschool Finish team. Anyway good luck.

2016-01-19 10:56

Their own name? Astralis 1.6 contE ruuit thiOp GuA diGitaL and there was also bloodR

2016-01-19 11:03

4 replies

and there was dooberi

2016-01-19 11:24

never seen Guardian nick himself GuA...

2016-01-19 16:55

2 replies

CB EC XIII edit: Just for info, astralis won vs fnatic (Archi, Tentpole, dsn, f0rest & cArn ) 26:4 that day :-)

2016-01-19 16:57

Really? He used that variation quite a lot.

2016-01-19 21:08

imgur.com/Y9Eq0nA

2016-01-19 11:04

players make too much money nowadays, starting their own organization... gonna be funny to see what happens when someone gets kicked from the team but still has a stake in the org...

2016-01-19 11:05

3 replies

Get bought out by the money they have. But i can totally follow you...

2016-01-19 11:10

2 replies

yea yea but they could potentially not sell their stake, and then go play for another team and be making money from both.

2016-01-19 11:12

1 reply

Dre Day is only Eazys pay day ayyyyy

2016-01-19 13:01

not bad

2016-01-19 11:06

Players as co-owners cause they have stakes in the organisation. Might be dangerous when they go bankrupt since players are tied to it. Anyway, I hope it works out for them. I love how they want to keep everything transparant, however i doubt it's gonna be full 100% transparancy. /edit: I remember having Astralis back in 1.6 as a team/organisation. How did they get the name? Or was this free?

2016-01-19 11:12

3 replies

They have talked with the old team and now they have the rights to use the name. If they have payed a small fee or not, is afaik not known 😊

2016-01-19 11:25

>Might be dangerous when they go bankrupt since players are tied to it. Its an ApS, so they are secured. I believe it is about ~10.000 euro in total they can lose. > I remember having Astralis back in 1.6 as a team/organisation. How did they get the name? Or was this free? They stated they bought the name.

2016-01-19 11:26

The abbreviation ApS is short for private limited company, which means that if they were to go bankrupt, they won't come out of it with debt.

2016-01-19 13:14

very nice

2016-01-19 11:11

They are screwed. I don't want to be rude but it seems Kerrigan opened a T-shirt store, sold 5 of those and now thinks he can run eSports org. Seriously, just look how many small, self funded orgs are dying - Titan for example. There is also other story of their recent results. I'm sure they will get sponsors but man, Cajun just recently got Tesla. It costs a lot to maintain such a car. On the other hand, even if it fails they'll get a lot of business experience and that is never a bad thing. Good luck to Danish boys but owning the org I don't see them winning a major. Imagine going to major with sponsor contract expiring and no next sponsor lined up. That's so much added pressure that gamers typically don't handle whatsoever.

2016-01-19 11:18

5 replies

You know they are backed by a danish IT millionaire called Thomas Ahlers and Sunstone Capital, right?

2016-01-19 12:22

3 replies

Yes, so? Far bigger organizations (out of eSports) has been backed by far bigger people and still failed (and didn't pay salaries). Nobody will use money from their pocket if things start to go bad.

2016-01-19 18:43

2 replies

So why are they more fked now than before? Ur logics off dude

2016-01-20 00:53

1 reply

Because players are part of the business process, and those players aren't very mature themselves, are known for chokes already etc. Again, imagine the org is having a problem and all of it has to be disclosed to them - players - as they are shareholders while they need to focus on the game as they are leaving for a major. Running a business is stressful enough.

2016-01-20 01:17

Titan i think is an exception. certain things lead to their downfall so yeahhh

2016-01-19 15:22

ayyy lmao

2016-01-19 11:19

astralis.steelpad

2016-01-19 11:23

? create own organization with Blackjack and Hookers!

2016-01-19 11:34

they srsly didnt have any good options if they decided to create own organization

2016-01-19 11:56

1 reply

you would know :)

2016-01-19 16:24

Who is device?

2016-01-19 11:57

if the players are co-owners, what happens if they want to make a roster move?

2016-01-19 11:57

1 reply

I think this will be answered in the reddit AMA

2016-01-19 12:23

hltv admins fapping to this news

2016-01-19 12:05

ayy lmao

2016-01-19 12:13

Logo isn't that bad: imbo2.tv2.dk/users/editorial/images/c396..

2016-01-19 12:13

sold tsm stickers already ffs xD

2016-01-19 12:23

dont like the new name...

2016-01-19 12:27

i'm gonna build my own, with blackjack and hookers inc

2016-01-19 12:29

expected.. i told myself that 1 weak before.. why don't they do an own organization and maybe be successful with it and earn some more money and the inspiration is bigger as well.. way to go (y)

2016-01-19 12:35

So when the time comes to change a player, surely that is going to cause some issues? 'You can't kick me, I own it!'

2016-01-19 12:40

1 reply

vote system probably..

2016-01-19 12:42

return of Astralis hahah youtube.com/watch?v=IZ8qi4Zj6sY

2016-01-19 12:42

Congrats boys, you deserve all the good things coming your way!

2016-01-19 12:52

nice

2016-01-19 12:56

Pretty smart move, once one of them retires they can maintain a job within the org and they get to use the gear of their chosing.

2016-01-19 12:59

that logo is ugly as fk

2016-01-19 13:05

that team name sux hard :c

2016-01-19 13:06

nonames

2016-01-19 13:07

astralis, old 1.5/1.6 finish team. Lack of originality!

2016-01-19 13:17

astralis.es/ — their website

2016-01-19 13:30

4 replies

astralis.dk/ drug tests ;D

2016-01-19 13:31

3 replies

LOL

2016-01-19 13:32

astralis-hotel-walldorf.de/ they have their own hotel too!

2016-01-19 14:06

1 reply

i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p586/_Xyphi.. and xbox game!

2016-01-19 14:30

very interesting

2016-01-19 13:32

what a shit logo, even a 16year old cod movie maker could have done something better

2016-01-19 13:32

1 reply

Ehm next time u wanna make fun witj my passionn ITS THEATER MAKER NOT MOVIEMAKER OH MY GUS TOP KEK COD SO 2007 ITS OBV ITS COD BO3 SP FOR PS4 NEVER PC

2016-01-19 16:27

youtube.com/watch?v=g9-pikLfdsI

2016-01-19 13:39

gl Astralis but... there is no better name? =(

2016-01-19 13:42

2016-01-19 13:44

Sad that no one wanted to pick them up.

2016-01-19 13:45

1 reply

according to karrigan they did have offers: "We chose this offer over countless others, including far more profitable in the short term"

2016-01-19 13:59

Chokealis?

2016-01-19 13:47

A new way to do eSports. This will be interesting to follow.

2016-01-19 14:04

New name same chokes

2016-01-19 14:07

instantly thought of the old finnish team

2016-01-19 14:12

New name same chitty fanbois

2016-01-19 14:16

pretty sure there was an org with the same name in 1.6

2016-01-19 14:17

new name, same haterzzzzz ayyyyy but nice doe go astralis

2016-01-19 14:29

If you're gonna go with a finnish 1.6 name go with Destination Skyline, cause that name is so much better.

2016-01-19 14:30

rekt

2016-01-19 14:31

Sick new name TSM. You go guys! :)

2016-01-19 14:32

Why not Why not Team Choking ?

2016-01-19 14:50

gj Devve

2016-01-19 14:50

uh I'm pretty sure there was a Finnish 1.6 team called astralis like 10-11 years ago

2016-01-19 14:56

Astralix and obelix Ohhh wait

2016-01-19 15:00

gl!

2016-01-19 15:05

who ?

2016-01-19 15:09

excelent news ;)

2016-01-19 15:16

ffs atleast come up with original name if youre building a new org instead of using oldschool name that u have 0 connections with. Thats fucking retarded lmao

2016-01-19 15:18

Wow I can't believe they dropped devve for this 'device' person.

2016-01-19 15:24

Choketralis?

2016-01-19 15:27

They should get more servers in their website.

2016-01-19 15:29

nice gl

2016-01-19 15:29

Awesome! Good Luck

2016-01-19 15:33

gl! <3

2016-01-19 15:37

rip Team Secret but gl <3 device

2016-01-19 15:40

totally unexpected. but think it will work

2016-01-19 15:48

Best of luck

2016-01-19 15:52

expected

2016-01-19 15:58

wow, shit name

2016-01-19 16:11

so more choke in the future without them having to fear to lose their org...awesome they can fuck around now without haveing to worry..gg never bet on them again :)

2016-01-19 16:18

10 replies

yeah ikr. let's make our own org with the help of heavy investment and throw some games for skins and be completely unprofessional and tarnish that new brand we are working to establish after we could have just taken hugely profitable offers instead. /sarcasm unbelievable how retarded and childish some people are on this website. really

2016-01-19 16:32

2 replies

sure "hugely profitable offers" - pretty sure they won't get them btw I never said they will throw games...I said that the pressure is gone now..they don't have to constantly fear losing their org.. fanboys still will be fans...they don't care about it ..they just look for excuses like always

2016-01-19 16:37

1 reply

a top3 team in the world in a booming esport title. im pretty sure they had very sizeable offers and turned them down in order to do their own thing. a big risk and an opportunity that i doubt they will piss away with a careless attitude.

2016-01-19 16:39

lmao how much m8? how much??

2016-01-19 16:36

6 replies

did I say that I lost money on them?? no :) But it will be very likely that it will happen now when ppl still bet on them

2016-01-19 16:39

5 replies

if you are going to bet, be prepared to lose your precious pixels

2016-01-19 16:39

4 replies

"precious pixels" which I can sell for REAL money..but I guess kids like you won't understand it :)

2016-01-19 16:41

3 replies

thats your problem for betting in the first place m8

2016-01-19 16:42

2 replies

yes ..earning alot of money is my problem :)

2016-01-19 16:43

1 reply

yet you are whining about them losing you money???

2016-01-19 16:44

i dont really like this name

2016-01-19 16:21

unexpected. kinda disappointed they didn't get picked up by a big-name brand but gl

2016-01-19 16:30

1.6 old school clan tag

2016-01-19 16:32

Good luck Astralis!

2016-01-19 16:45

astralis ? original.

2016-01-19 16:46

Good for them. I think this is an important step for cs. Hopefully they can step up their play a bit now.

2016-01-19 17:09

Great to see such nice and oldschool team back! My favorite teams back then were g3x, Pentagram and Astralis! Who remembers the Guardian who played there? He was nowhere as good as the slovak GuardiaN, but still... ruuit by other side is one of my favorite 1.6 players ever, such a beast.

2016-01-19 17:13

1 reply

youtube.com/watch?v=IZ8qi4Zj6sY oh the memories

2016-01-19 17:37