Meta changes: The UMP-45

In recent months, we saw the UMP-45 rise to the top five of the most used weapons. We decided to take a look at when the SMG began to emerge among the popular choices, analyze what makes it favorable over the Famas and Galil, and find out whether there are other weapons that could make their way to the competitive scene more often.

As we don't possess details such as which weapons are purchased, we used the number of kills at the big events to compare the usage of each weapon. Due to the lack of data, we were unable to determine whether relying on the UMP is objectively beneficial for the teams, and this rather serves as an analysis of the change in the meta.

Over the last year, the UMP-45 has slowly overtaken the Famas and Galil to become one of the most popular secondary choices after the go-to rifles, AK-47, M4A1-s, and M4A4.

The $1,200 submachine gun has been exactly the same ever since October 2014, when Valve rolled out an update that increased armor penetration of all SMG's by about 20%.


Development of UMP usage compared to Famas and Galil at big events from 2015-2017

However, it took teams nearly a year and a half to start realizing SMG's benefits compared to the Famas and Galil, as its usage first jumped at MLG Columbus.

At 2016's first Major, kills with the UMP-45 reached 1.8% of the event's total largely thanks to finalists Natus Vincere, semi-finalists Liquid, as well as MOUZ, all of whom preferred it over the Famas and Galil.

At the next few big events, it stayed around the same amount before the next Major rolled around and the SMG spiked again. By that time, SK and fnatic caught on to the trend and helped the UMP climb to 2.6% at ESL One Cologne.

The following off-season seemed to have helped a lot more teams comprehend its benefits. By SL i-League StarSeries Season 2 Finals, the first big event after the month-long break, every playoffs team apart from FlipSid3 figured it out and the UMP-45 overtook the Famas and Galil for the first time with 5.2% of all kills.


Distribution of UMP-45 and Famas + Galil kills at StarSeries Season 2 Finals

The remainder of the year saw the newly discovered weapon keep an average of about 5% before it went up once more at the ELEAGUE Major to 6.1%, while the Famas and Galil recorded only 2% of all kills combined.

Apart from one anomaly at ESL One New York, unsurprisingly it was the Counter-Terrorists who killed with the UMP-45 more, as it's easier to pick your fights being on the defense.

However, teams seem to like the SMG even on the Terrorist side, where the UMP began to prevail over the Galil at StarSeries S2 Finals. That leads us to the next part, where we take a look at the three weapons in question to see what makes the UMP-45 stand out over the two rifles:

What makes the UMP-45 superior to the Famas and Galil?

Interestingly, Valve have not touched the Famas for ages. The French weapon received its last update in October 2013, when the developers re-added support for burst accuracy.

Over the history of CS:GO, the Famas was only updated once more, in August 2012 when its accuracy and recoil got buffed, albeit slightly. The Galil has actually never been updated directly if we disregard cosmetic changes that are irrelevant to gameplay.

Despite it being an SMG, the UMP offers higher damage than the two rifles (35 versus 30). Even with the slightly lower penetration, the UMP will give you more power against armored opponents than the Famas, and almost as much as the Galil.

The much smaller running inaccuracy compared to the two secondary rifles allows for high mobility, the run-and-gun playstyle all SMG's are famous for, which gives the German gun an even bigger advantage.

The biggest upside, however, is that it is a highly economical choice. With a price tag of $1,200, you can buy the UMP and a full kevlar on top for the price of a Famas, or the UMP and a vest for less than just a Galil. Furthermore, the UMP will pay for itself once you get two kills due to its $600 kill reward, so it's not only a money-saver, it's a money-maker in an ideal situation.

Naturally, players have to keep in mind that the SMG is only effective in close combat, as the damage falls off greatly with distance (by 15% at 500 units, which is about the equivalent of the length of A ramp on Dust2) and it becomes much less accurate.

Those issues make the UMP quite situational and generally not as useful on longer-range maps such as Dust2, where players need to be creative in order to make the most out of the gun. Overall, it's the most popular on Cobblestone, where the weapon recorded 6.2% of all kills on the map from StarSeries S2 Finals onwards.

Can the AUG/SG553 hybrids become good rifling alternatives?

As things stand now, you might think it's time for Valve to take another look at balancing the rifles, as only three of them are regularly used. However, there are two more that could make their way into competitive play if players were willing to experiment.

Let's first take a look at the Counter-Terrorist side. Thanks to its 90% armor penetration, the AUG is slightly more powerful than the M4's which have higher base damage but 20% lower armor penetration. The difference is, however, small enough that situations in which the AUG kills a player in fewer bullets than the M4 are quite rare.

The AUG's armor penetration is not enough to deal one-shot headshots from a larger distance than 197 units (less than the Five-Seven and the P250), which isn't ideal as the Austrian rifle is made for long distance fights due to its scope. While scoped, the AUG has more than twice the accurate range of the M4's and offers very accurate and fast tapping as well as bursting. It becomes hard to control while spraying, although not too unpredictable up to the first 10 bullets. That makes mid-range fights possible to handle, even if not ideal.

The AUG can be a good situational weapon, as it's somewhat of a hybrid between a rifle and a sniper rifle, and its abilities could serve even less able tappers than the likes of Patrik "⁠f0rest⁠" Lindberg or Adil "⁠ScreaM⁠" Benrlitom very well. However, its price ($200 more expensive than the M4's) is most likely the reason why most teams didn't give the weapon much thought. If it was to receive only that $200 discount, we could see the AUG come into the forefront; as it stands now, players will not spend extra money on a rather situational gun when they already have a very reliable option in the M4.

On the other side, we have the SG553 up against the AK-47. Being the only gun with a perfect 100% armor penetration, the Swiss weapon beats the Kalashnikov in power despite offering lower base damage. That also makes one-shots possible at practically any distance that can be found on any of the eight maps that have ever been in the rotation.

Similarly to its CT counterpart, the SG is quite accurate while tapping and bursting even if unscoped, and it becomes beastly using the alternate fire while utilizing those two styles. Both AUG's and SG's recoil also take next to zero time to reset shortly after scoping, which makes them quite universal.

With a fairly low cost of $3,000, it's surprising nobody apart from Emil "⁠Magisk⁠" Reif uses the SG553 in competitive play. Thanks to its unusually high tapping and bursting accuracy while scoped, as well as the possibility of a one-shot headshot at any range, it definitely makes for a viable option. Apart from the $300 difference in price, the only significant downside to the SG is having to learn a new spray pattern that is quite unforgiving to be fair. 

Even though the AUG and SG553 are similar to the UMP in the sense that their base stats make them a viable replacement for the popular rifles in certain situations, the SMG benefits the team's economy while the hybrids hurt it. That is likely the main reason why the two scoped rifles rarely show up in top-tier competition.

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Denmark Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Age:
18
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
401
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.63
Sweden Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Age:
28
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
1050
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.64
Belgium Adil 'ScreaM' Benrlitom
Adil 'ScreaM' Benrlitom
Age:
22
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
880
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.65
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Bulgaria kr9ptonn
good n1
2017-02-13 14:21
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#45
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Slovenia ibeFiinder
Face palm...
2017-02-13 14:19
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#53
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African Union Im_Adopted
When you want to feel relevant, but you are braindamaged.
2017-02-13 14:22
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Before edit: finally the ump isn't op
2017-02-13 14:23
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#119
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Netherlands timbolina
Before edit: Before edit: finally the ump isn't op
2017-02-13 14:55
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Before edit: Before edit: Before edit: finally the ump isn't op
2017-02-13 22:13
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before reddit ?
2017-02-13 22:30
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pathetic
2017-02-13 16:33
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#6
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Romania PRQN
wat
2017-02-13 14:16
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#7
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United Kingdom Recks
+1
2017-02-13 14:16
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Lithuania Tomekas85
UMP TO STRONK
2017-02-13 14:16
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Finland San1_
yes
2017-02-13 14:16
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nice
2017-02-13 14:16
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#15
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Australia ThisIsSummer
n1
2017-02-13 14:16
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what are you want volvo
2017-02-13 14:16
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#18
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Portugal dashh
good read
2017-02-13 14:16
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ump top tier
2017-02-13 14:16
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Yugoslavia bleaq
inb4 ump nerf next week
2017-02-13 14:16
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#62
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Netherlands JUNG13
all heil Striker
2017-02-13 14:25
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#25
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United Kingdom MansNotHot
ump one love
2017-02-13 14:17
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#29
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Lithuania HomeInvader
yes
2017-02-13 14:16
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wtf
2017-02-13 14:16
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KEK
2017-02-13 14:16
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#32
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Lithuania Afgan`
Where is Nova meta?
2017-02-13 14:16
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France Moon974
iNT2RE
2017-02-13 14:16
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noice
2017-02-13 14:17
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nice valve
2017-02-13 14:17
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#40
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World Mufasanuff
The SG is broken as fuck. It won't be long before someone masters its use at a high level.
2017-02-13 14:17
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magiskboy have already done that... :P
2017-02-13 14:36
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#86
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World Mufasanuff
Magisk used it a few rounds but didn't really get much, if anything, out of it. But it wont be long before someone goes on an absolute rampage.
2017-02-13 14:39
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still, he have balls to be the onlyone using it... Maybe even magiskballs O_o
2017-02-13 14:40
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#201
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Europe duke`
chrisj also uses it from time to time.
2017-02-13 17:57
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He play every mirage with sg.
2017-02-13 14:47
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#102
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Australia TotalEclipse
As someone who hasn't really used it much, can you explain why it's broken?
2017-02-13 14:43
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#109
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World Mufasanuff
100% first bullet accuracy is the huge thing about it, as well as the armor pen (It has 100% armor pen, correct me if im wrong) Having a scope also allows more versatility than an AK, you can hold some very tight, dirty lines and do work with it.
2017-02-13 14:47
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its not 100% accurate it is as accurate as the awp if you scope and more if you crouch though
2017-02-13 16:27
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#171
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World Mufasanuff
Yeah my bad I shouldn't have said "100% accurate" but it does have the highest accuracy of all the AR's even without the scope.
2017-02-13 16:31
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ez one taps :)
2017-02-13 16:32
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Actually SG is great weapon for comeback , its so OP. And if u have good aim , u can easily overplay AWP.
2017-02-13 19:14
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Indeed you can, when scoped while crouching, the SG rekts the awp in so many ways.
2017-02-13 23:48
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its also great when youre ahead. no chance you'll miss ten shots in a row tapping at someones head at range.
2017-02-14 10:34
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France unnn
why :(
2017-02-13 14:18
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Poland SUUL
nice article hltv bois
2017-02-13 14:19
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Croatia boba
"in recent months" You mean in the last year or so?
2017-02-13 14:20
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Nova > all
2017-02-13 14:23
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Slovakia emerestiq
GJ Striker
2017-02-13 14:23
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Brazil ReasonableNTCfan
that was a good read
2017-02-13 14:24
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#61
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World mukas17
good shit, i love seeing the SG in play.
2017-02-13 14:25
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Brazil bandicoot
valve pls remove 200$ and lets see what happens
2017-02-13 14:27
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If they remove $100 would be good
2017-02-13 16:56
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I bet SK would have really high stats for this.
2017-02-13 14:29
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Luxembourg alex24
if valve would like to see more weapons beeing used.. they need to buff the galil+famas and nerf the AK also all weapons besides the AWP should be double-tap for headshot against helmet why buy a helmet when weapons like AK, p250.. etc just need one tap to headshot one tap from any weapon should work only if you don`t have helmet
2017-02-13 14:30
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no
2017-02-13 14:31
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Luxembourg alex24
irrelevant reply from turk who only plays T-side even in real life :-)
2017-02-13 14:34
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k
2017-02-13 14:36
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+1 M4 = -99
2017-02-13 14:37
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98*
2017-02-13 15:20
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#145
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World Antifrag
The ak is fine, and so are the other weapons. It's just the ump which needs to either have its kill reward decreased or its base price increased. You buy a helmet on T side or against eco, that's its purpose. The p250 and other pistols can only one tap at close range, which is not the range at which you're supposed to be against an eco in the first place. The deagle is the only real exception in the pistols, but it's quite expensive and is less effective while spamming so it has enough downsides to counter it.
2017-02-13 15:27
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Luxembourg alex24
the ak is so fine, that noob silvers buy it cheap and onetap from long or even spray while not even aiming at the head and still get the kill stop playing DM and armsrace dude
2017-02-14 08:44
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#256
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World Antifrag
Is a one tap from long possible with an AK? Sure. Is it a problem? Of course not. From that distance your spread is very high anyway, it's not that easy to get a one-tap even with good aim (you can verify this by yourself or check this video for example youtube.com/watch?v=S2OtMQI9IQo&t=149 ). Besides, if they really are silvers you shouldn't have any problem with this kind of players. If they get lucky all the time, it may be that they are not that close to silver after-all ^^. If you're going to take as examples all the lucky things bad players do with a weapon, you can take any weapon and say "look, this is not balanced, because I got owned by a lucky guy!". It happens. It happens in any game, with any weapon, in any year, within any gaming population. I suggest that you learn to accept that. Besides the fact that your assumptions about what modes I regularly play are wrong, I don't see how DM or armsrace are very relevant to this discussion.
2017-02-14 10:37
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Only snipers rifles should one tap kill, not only the awp
2017-02-13 15:56
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This would destroy the T side of every map, you know?
2017-02-13 23:57
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Luxembourg alex24
it will encourage team tactics not raw aim skill from players who are based on it... noob players like s1mple, niko, coldzera... brainwise they are tier5... aim skill wise they are tier1 godlike this game should be more about team tactics, at least in competitive mode, not about just one taping everything
2017-02-14 08:42
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This game is already about tactics, teams that play off pure skill are losing to teams that have great strats and executions. We can see it with Fnatic , EnvyUs, G2 who used to win early on in the game because of pure talent and who are struggling to win now vs Astralis, SK, VP etc because they rely too much on pure aim and not enough on strats and executions.
2017-02-26 22:48
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Luxembourg alex24
stopped reading when you said SK based on tactics... they have no map pool and they are based on cold lurking and taco rushing in to give info to wallen who`s toggleing his aimlock in crucial rounds
2017-02-27 07:39
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Ok bozo
2017-02-27 08:36
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#71
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World evanawsome200
The UMP-45 has been an amazing gun for years and years, i have used since i got the game about 2-3 years ago, its been the meta for a long time. its fun to see that the rest of the world has caught up to me.
2017-02-13 14:31
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It's just the meta changing. Has nothing to do with no one thinking the ump is good, it just started being implemented into the meta. Please don't act like the pro scene has "caught up with you"
2017-02-13 15:22
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#259
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World evanawsome200
not to brag but i also used the M4A4 way before the whole buff and nerf thing came out a while ago.
2017-02-14 14:27
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Wtf stop bragging bro
2017-02-14 15:24
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#261
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World evanawsome200
i also used the auto before it was cool
2017-02-14 15:35
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#188
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United States itzgin
Uhm...pros have been using this for a long time, for whatever reason people just didn't want to/failed to acknowledge the power of the UMP, it's basically a mini-M4.
2017-02-13 17:23
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France stambert
as always ... NIP #1 ! Nip magic is back
2017-02-13 14:31
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Europe G2shox
its obviously overpowered
2017-02-13 14:33
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#78
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Slovakia Jarci
fuck smgs dgl+kevlar all the time vs full buy
2017-02-13 14:35
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Russia flesha
3kliksphilip, why u've started this ???
2017-02-13 14:35
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Imo the SG and AUG should be made much stronger than their AK/M4 counterpart, but be much more expensive. This makes it sort of like an AWP in the sense that it's a significant investment that you're looking for a good return on.
2017-02-13 14:39
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#87
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Azerbaijan Talley
It's nowhere close to galil/famas on long ranges.
2017-02-13 14:39
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#88
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United Kingdom butchR
This article has nothing to do with Valve, or any updates (yet), Striker was just really bored so he shared his opinion on some weapon choices. :D Get a grip people...
2017-02-13 14:40
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Sweden DiTzZ
Good shit
2017-02-13 14:40
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#90
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Finland RaptoRStillAlive
tbh smgs shouldnt be this viable against full buys
2017-02-13 14:40
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#96
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India Magician10399
Watch 3kilksphilip's video too, he has some interesting stats too.
2017-02-13 14:42
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>UMP "has been exactly the same ever since October 2014" >silver 3s cry about it like valve made it an 1.2k AK last night
2017-02-13 14:42
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Noone play with SG/Aug cuz is a op cod gun.
2017-02-13 14:42
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#103
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lol at the kids thinking it was an update, not bothering to look at the article
2017-02-13 14:44
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#104
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Armenia gr1nch
nooooooooooooo
2017-02-13 14:44
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so whats goin on? did they change some shit? are they gonna change? or still same? just tell us theese HLTV.org we already know those shits
2017-02-13 14:45
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Norway Luke Earthwalker
PPL writting "finally" Geez maybe read the f article what is it about retardos lmao
2017-02-13 14:45
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too long
2017-02-13 14:50
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GUYS PLS ANSWER ME BUT IM SERIOUS. WHY PRO'S DONT USE P90? THIS GUN IS AVAVILABLE SO WHY DONT USE IT? :)
2017-02-13 14:47
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#136
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United Kingdom jimak
Higher costs and lower kill reward. If a team bought all P90's for second round, they would be entering site with less utility, and rewarded half as much the following round. Meaning 'if' they win round 2, they are probably going to have minimal utility on round 3 as well.
2017-02-13 15:17
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P90 is good for silvers only. Edit: Although I think it needs a nerf.
2017-02-13 17:01
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BUT I PLAY WITH P90 VERY OFTEN AND SPRAYING GIVES ME 4 KILLS IN A ROW. ITS FAST GUN I LIKE IT .
2017-02-14 08:31
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Give your CapsLock button a rest. Thank you.
2017-02-15 08:27
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pachceco?
2017-02-15 12:16
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High price, low kill reward and it's too good for a SMG. Let me explain: if you're buying a SMG, you'll need to keep close range so you can be effective, but you're also half-buying so or your economy is not great or the other team's isn't, so there's now 4 scenarios: CT side / Good CT Economy, Bad T Economy >They're surely buying some tec-9, and since you have to play close range, now it's a fair fight, who shoots first gets the kill, and if you die, you gave them an OP weapon so now they have a chance of winning a lost force buy round. T Side / Good T Economy, Bad CT Economy >Same issue with CT side, they are buying some 57 or cz, so you might get rekt by their OPness and lose an easy round, and on CT side they could also buy some Deagles or no-kevlar Scouts and defend the sites using long range shots, in which case they would easily kill you, making you lose 3k and raging. Whichever side / Bad your side Economy, Good other side Economy (Force buy or half buy scenario) >2350+650(1000 in T side)=3000(3350 for T), you're buying too much for a force/half buy, too risky. And you should never buy it in gun rounds if you know how to use other weapons, never, you would be much of use for your team.
2017-02-14 00:19
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Nepal RedBullGmbH
I aren't think that
2017-02-13 14:47
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AUG and SG. LUL I forgot they even exist.
2017-02-13 14:51
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Currently on 1500 Stat Trak SG. This gun is powerful af.
2017-02-13 15:22
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FIX VAC? NO! WE NERF UMP
2017-02-13 14:51
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#fixcsgo
2017-02-13 14:52
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MP7 Masterrace.
2017-02-13 14:53
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n1
2017-02-13 14:55
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#121
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Russia zerkcs
go mp7 from cs:source
2017-02-13 14:55
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#123
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Poland Parus
Tec9 and FieveSeven > M4
2017-02-13 14:56
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#124
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Poland xbleyd
3kliksphilip :D
2017-02-13 15:01
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nice read, would love to see one on spray patterns too! maybe just for the ak&m4(1) for starters :D
2017-02-13 14:56
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NERF > UMP, 5-7, Tec-9 and P250 BUFF > M4A1-s add MP5
2017-02-13 14:58
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World LeafeonVMAX
mp5 lol
2017-02-13 15:10
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xD
2017-02-13 15:54
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also buff bizon
2017-02-13 15:58
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Strong weapon because of its low price and 600$ kill reward. It's too much cost efficient. UMP's damage would not be a problem if its cost was 1500/1600 and 300$ kill reward...
2017-02-13 15:03
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fantastic article
2017-02-13 15:07
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#131
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Germany ConAction
Thanks Striker! You are very underrated in terms of everything you do here on HLTV and the CS:GO Scene in general! <3 Of course you are right, no doubt about that :D
2017-02-13 15:08
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#134
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tabseN | 
France shoxAttorney
Retarded article Aug and sg553 should be removed. If pros were to start using them its not cs anymore
2017-02-13 15:13
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4 replies
And people are saying to buff this FailFish
2017-02-13 15:30
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Forgot CS was about using AK and M4 only and not about winning the rounds.
2017-02-14 00:21
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#273
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tabseN | 
France shoxAttorney
Zoom weapons are so cod tbh If the zoom function was removed it wouldnt even bother me which gun is used
2017-02-15 11:19
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1 reply
Guess I shouldn't have fed the troll.
2017-02-16 18:01
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I currently love the advantage of the meta-UMP, but it does replace the secondary rifles, which is a shame. Would love for their to be more of an advantage to aplurging on eco rifles.
2017-02-13 15:15
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make one for p250/tec9/five-seven
2017-02-13 15:22
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#141
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Lobanjica | 
Other Kop4
rip ump 2017 waiting nerf
2017-02-13 15:22
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#142
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Other FGsouL
thats right for many years,its time to balance some weapons again for good amd make aug-sg makes more common to use
2017-02-13 15:24
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#143
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f0rest | 
Serbia dankooo
If valve werent retarded many things would be different and not just this lmao
2017-02-13 15:24
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eksdee
2017-02-13 15:26
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#147
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elemeNt | 
Norway Shitrich
I've never used any smg other than the ump
2017-02-13 15:34
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#148
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Europe Apzi
COOL but bad
2017-02-13 15:36
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I wont play with AUG fucking volvo retards, this is not fucking call of duty. Even if its better 100 yimes than ak and m4 I WONT USE IT!
2017-02-13 15:43
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you do realize you can use the sg WITHOUT ZOOMING A SINGLE TIME THE ENTIRE MATCH and it will still be better than the ak in certain situations? the problem is people who pick aug/sg think for some reason you absolutely must use the scope or the weapon won't shot. i've seen so many times plebs who picked an aug/sg from an enemy in an eco zoom in close quarters. you call that call of duty, i call it retardation. the idea behind it is that you use it as an ak or m4 most of the time but have the added value of the scope for angles that would be much more difficult otherwise or for better tapping long range.
2017-02-13 16:22
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3 replies
No tnx, even if it has higher fire power than AK I will still not use that noob gun.
2017-02-13 18:11
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2 replies
just admit you are too lazy to invest a few dozen hours into learning the spray pattern. at least that's the reason i don't use it.
2017-02-13 18:40
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1 reply
The first half of the sg spray pattern is a lot easier than the ak tbh. I feel bad that the cs pro player community spends so little time with this gun, imagine how much it would be used if ScreaM used it instead of the ak for his one taps (He'd hit even more shots also, since the sg has lower inaccuracy), all his fanboys would suddenly love the gun.
2017-02-16 18:09
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that's simple the famas is not the same from 1.6 ..
2017-02-13 15:56
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#156
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puTa | 
Portugal Fernando_Mendes
I've always Used UMP-45 and abused it. Now everyone starts using it and it's going to get nerfed probably -.-'
2017-02-13 15:58
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1 reply
Me either
2017-02-13 17:03
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#158
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Denmark geerZo
AK-45
2017-02-13 16:05
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#162
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Ireland conflicker
can confirm, got GE and level 9 faceit only using UMP every round, without ecoing a single round. UMP + full nades is almost always better than M4 unless you force yourself into a long range situation. It is also better than tec9 + kev.
2017-02-13 16:13
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i get it you are trying to compare advantages and disadvantages of each weapon but there is no need to try "making stuff up" just to make the article look prettier. regarding the aug you wrote: "It becomes hard to control while spraying, although not too unpredictable up to the first 10 bullets. That makes mid-range fights possible to handle, even if not ideal." first of all why is it "hard to control"? it has a very similar pattern to m4a4 albeit a slightly higher recoil. i certainly wouldn't consider it harder than the ak pattern. does that mean ak isn't ideal for mid-range fights? secondly, even if we go with this wrong assumption you made, why would you need more than 10 bullets for a mid-range fight? you could have tried to argue that it might be harder to transfer spray given the higher recoil (which i'm not sure is true either), but you didn't. regarding the sg you wrote: "Apart from the $300 difference in price, the only significant downside to the SG is having to learn a new spray pattern that is quite unforgiving to be fair." why would you call it "unforgiving"? the sg pattern is much easier than the ak pattern. it's only a matter of learning it, like you said. it has nothing to do with being hard or unforgiving. other than that it was a good read.
2017-02-13 16:14
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imo the aug recoil is much easier than m4 for the first bullets, you pull straight down, bit to the right, and then you slow down. with m4 you have to pull down and go right and then left immediately and if you slightly mistime it you wont hit anything with those couple bullets
2017-02-13 16:20
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the slightly higher price tag is a good reason to not buy aug/sg every round, but players dont even go for it when they have 16k at the start of the last round of the half. people just dont want to play with it. and there are some other reasons the ump is now used more: cts often dont buy head armor which means you can oneshot them close range. cobble has been played a fuckload at the last couple tournaments. and fixes like jumping headshot fix jumping accuracy change hitbox updates etc have made other weapons you would get instead of the ump less viable against rifles.
2017-02-13 16:23
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Thats probably the only time nip will be 1st in something in 2017.
2017-02-13 16:23
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#168
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Portugal Shion
1 shot headshot from pistols like p250 and the power of 5/7 while moving around are far more problematic than the ump
2017-02-13 16:26
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#170
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United States Noah33
Rip ump
2017-02-13 16:29
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nice! We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL! Kreygasm
2017-02-13 16:48
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UMP is really cheap and overpowered for what it costs. But i still prefer to get the MP7 when cannot buy a rifle. The UMP is good at close quarter but useless at medium/long distance. While MP7 has all those advantages but more bullets and much easier to control.
2017-02-13 16:53
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#189
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Sweden sebb7
I hate that people like the aug and sg. They're guns I'd rather not see in CS at all.
2017-02-13 17:28
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3 replies
i used to use them all the time when i played casual CSS, but i don't use them in CSGO what's your reason for not liking them?
2017-02-13 22:29
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#242
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Sweden sebb7
good question, I guess I feel they're not really CS weapons but more like something that belong in other fps games.
2017-02-14 00:59
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1 reply
I dunno... CS has been out longer than any other large FPS franchise except for Doom Based on age alone, guns that are both in CS and CoD are technically CS guns, not CoD guns
2017-02-14 17:07
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#191
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North America [unknown]
>crowded maps >fast/sliding movement >bad hitboxes i wonder why run-n-gun playstyle dominates this game?
2017-02-13 17:31
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#192
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try | 
Argentina Reymon
Nice article!!
2017-02-13 17:31
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#194
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NEO | 
Poland m@rulek
time to nerf ump ;p
2017-02-13 17:35
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#199
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Poland sajlent
time to buff galil and famas
2017-02-13 17:55
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lol sure ump pro
2017-02-13 17:38
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#196
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Sweden DenkanN
Ump is the best!
2017-02-13 17:42
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We need more types of guns. It is pretty boring to play only Ak/m4/AWP all game long. We need different options for different playstyles. Different kinds of viable weapons.
2017-02-13 17:45
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10 replies
last time that it happen they added R8, so no
2017-02-13 17:53
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1 reply
That was bad experiment. It happens. Everyone did mistake.
2017-02-14 00:22
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#200
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Poland sajlent
pls uk go play some cod or battlefield
2017-02-13 17:56
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1 reply
Pls dude, look at my name, I am Ukranian who live in UK. Ukranians won the same amount of CS tournaments as Polands did. So, I don't know, go and eat some pirogi psheke kurvo.
2017-02-13 23:08
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#220
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allu | 
North America hesh
UMP, swag 7, mp9, scout, 5-7, tec9, cz, sg, aug....all viable weapons if used correctly.
2017-02-13 20:14
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2 replies
And yet those weapons used only in several spots at several maps in several situations. The thing is that "default" by all meanings buy is to get 4 M4's and AWP and 4/5 AK's. That something that needs to be changed as I think. When you have 16k Money it is pretty obvious what you should buy: molly, he(or flash), flash, smoke, kit(if ct), m4/ak/awp, maybe upgraded pistol. Thats about it. No choice. No variance. No room to outsell your opponent. At the same time in Overwatch you have selection of chars depends on what map, side, whatever, you play. In WOT you have different kinds of tanks in the same category, and I am not even touching mobas
2017-02-13 23:11
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#245
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United States chr1spe
more characters or weapons or things like that only add superficial variety to the game and don't really make it any better or more varied in gameplay. Yeah there are more characters in OW, but there seem to be very few strategies from what I've seen. Most of the time even pro play just looks like a giant clusterfuck. Also most of the time it leads to poor balance and all kinds of issues. For example BF4 had a ton of guns, but there were only 2 or maybe 3 decent choices as far as rifles and less than that for most other weapons. Maybe it could kind of be evened out by the economy, but then if you make somehow stronger guns that cost even more than the ak and m4 you could make it so the team with an economy lead has too big an advantage.
2017-02-14 02:04
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#236
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Azerbaijan Talley
You clearly have no clue about CS. Whole article is based on stats from big tournaments, no one cares much about casuals aka silvers/novas.
2017-02-14 00:05
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And I am as well talking about pro scene. It become boring comparing to other games because luck of variety. Maps like Cache and Dust 2 at the very end of 2016 become complete cancer where everything comes just to aim duels and headshots. Different viable weapons as a concept is one of the ways of making game more deep in terms of plays and skill though more interesting to watch and play. Right now all difference in games on top lvl is only maps(starts on maps) and aggression plays. And yeah, LEM doesn't have clue about CS.
2017-02-14 00:25
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#247
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Poland sajlent
hahah xD if you don't even have global in aids mm then what dafuq can you actually know about this game, you're bad and you don't understand the beauty of cs you're irrelevant, buy a new brain or go play some cod or battlefield... for over 17 years it has always been a "ak/m4/awp" game and 99% of the pros are more than happy with it. Map pool is big enough and it's ideal for bo3's. Don't try to understand the game which is prolly older than you. It become boring comparing to other games because luck of variety. yeah... go play some cod or battliefield
2017-02-14 03:34
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#202
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United States warlock2204
I agree, ump should cost $1000 and give reward $800. They should also decrease the running inaccuracy and increase armor penetration.
2017-02-13 17:57
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1 reply
*give reward $1000 to buy another ump next round
2017-02-13 18:30
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I want MP7 cheaper say, $1400. I'd never buy any other weapon :P
2017-02-13 17:58
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ok nice article but what is the change exactly? or not update yet?
2017-02-13 18:16
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2 replies
is only a scene analysis
2017-02-13 18:32
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It's just analysis. Nothing is changed till now...
2017-02-13 18:35
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#208
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United States NAlegend
Can we get a fix for the broken pistols? ump is no where near as broken as pistols XD. raise price of ump ez fix
2017-02-13 18:32
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#211
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Netherlands FEodAL
fix burstfire
2017-02-13 18:39
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#213
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Poland Swietny
So UMP gonna be nerfed hard soon?
2017-02-13 18:57
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lul
2017-02-13 19:14
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#217
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World A_Hilter
Love playing 1v1 maps with the aug/sg just to tilt ppl. People are like "OMG why do u use sg u Knoop!!" .. and i don't even scope
2017-02-13 19:25
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#218
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Finland AsssauuuhDUH
NIP TOP1 FOREVFER!
2017-02-13 19:38
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***************************** OPERATION COMING ***************************** P90 NERF COMING. END-
2017-02-13 19:49
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They are talking about ump when five-seven is better than m4
2017-02-13 20:57
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#225
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Czech Republic stxCZE
Increased kill rewards from SG553/AUG would encourage more players to use them. I even think increasing kill rewards would be better for balance than decreasing their purchase price.
2017-02-13 22:31
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not too sure y people hate on the AUG and SG... they're great guns and they both have their specific applications in the game excuse saying that it's a CoD gun is getting pretty old.. they have been in CS longer than CoD has been a franchise lol
2017-02-13 22:33
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This weapon is a bit OP, maybe change the fire rate of the weapon slow it down by 5 to 10%.
2017-02-13 22:56
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Longest distance on all 8 map? wonder what that is... long on Overpass? Somewhere outside or T/Ct spawn on Nuke? From A to short B? Mid or Long Dust2? T Spawn on Cbble? From Truck to Tree on Cache? T Spawn - Ivy on Train?
2017-02-13 23:14
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Most likely from Goose to back of pit.
2017-02-14 04:09
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It's Dust2 mid, from the back of T spawn to the car next to CT. Although now that I think about it, the distance from Cobble tower could beat that, but that's such a rare position that it's almost irrelevant.
2017-02-24 10:58
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lul started using when buffed
2017-02-13 23:16
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But there have been nine maps in rotation. Wasn't there also season?
2017-02-13 23:31
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#243
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Canada KawaiiKai
?
2017-02-14 01:02
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#233
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REAL | 
Spain deBurrows
Nice article Striker.
2017-02-13 23:37
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#241
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Sweden mickeeyo
Lol. UMP is only answer for OP pistols at the moment. Nerfing UMP will make pistol again too OP.
2017-02-14 00:47
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#244
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s1mple | 
Azerbaijan MetalFace
Great article but some exceptions like Flusha for example has been using the UMP since 2014 and it's always looked OP in his hands.
2017-02-14 01:50
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#250
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Vietnam kukiqk
make all weapons make literally 1 dmg -> all weapons balanced
2017-02-14 08:34
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#253
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African Union GayRadar
then whats point of buying heavy gun, if you can do same dmg with pistol
2017-02-14 08:50
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1 reply
faster rate of fire?
2017-02-15 11:33
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there is nothing wrong with ump , jesus they try so bad so destroy this game.
2017-02-14 09:26
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#266
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SpawN | 
Netherlands militanthumanist
nobody says something is wrong with it and who exactly do you think is trying hard to destroy the game?
2017-02-14 17:54
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1 reply
they will nerf it soon you'll see.
2017-02-14 17:58
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#258
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Austria gex0r
nice read.
2017-02-14 11:11
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they better not change the ump and buff famas galil instead.
2017-02-16 01:55
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#279
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Brazil ZangadoHG
Nerf ump or buff m4a1-s :)
2017-02-17 00:03
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#280
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Israel GirlsDontFake
great read
2017-02-17 13:53
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#281
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France louisvuitton
nerf ump, tec-9, five seven. fucking rng run & gun game.
2017-02-17 22:52
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#282
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Indonesia Alluminati
Virtus Pro UMP kills : 1 Famas kills: 0 Galil kills: 0 wtf are you want dude
2017-02-18 08:01
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