EnVyUs, SK move on in Dallas

31-5-2017 23:14

fnatic are eliminated from the ESL Pro League Season 5 finals as EnVyUs and SK Gaming finish second and third in Group A, respectively.

With G2 already through to the playoffs thanks to the head-to-head advantage over SK, fnatic and EnVyUs, the second and third group places were determined by a series of MR3 clashes between the tied teams.

EnVyUs placed second in the group

It all began with a Train clash between EnVyUs, the surprise package of the tournament so far, and fnatic. The first two MR3 matches failed to determine a winner as both teams picked up three rounds, but then the Frenchmen stepped up and won four in a row to take the match, 10-6.

ESL Pro League Season 5 FinalsBest of 1

Envy

Matchpage

31st May 2017

fnatic

Train

Envy	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Alexandre 'xms' Forté xms	16 - 11	+5	93.8	75.0%	1.40
Adil 'ScreaM' Benrlitom ScreaM	15 - 11	+4	84.6	81.2%	1.35
Vincent 'Happy' Schopenhauer Happy	11 - 6	+5	79.4	81.2%	1.27
Cédric 'RpK' Guipouy RpK	13 - 10	+3	95.5	62.5%	1.24
Christophe 'SIXER' Xia SIXER	11 - 10	+1	75.9	75.0%	1.06

fnatic	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer olofmeister	14 - 14	0	83.1	56.2%	1.06
Robin 'flusha' Rönnquist flusha	10 - 14	-4	107.6	56.2%	1.04
Dennis 'dennis' Edman dennis	11 - 13	-2	57.1	75.0%	0.82
Jesper 'JW' Wecksell JW	8 - 13	-5	55.2	56.2%	0.69
Freddy 'KRIMZ' Johansson KRIMZ	5 - 12	-7	60.2	62.5%	0.61

fnatic then made way for SK, who tried to bring down EnVyUs, also on Train. The first round went SK's way, but then the Europeans replied thanks to a great AWP kill from Vincent "⁠Happy⁠" Schopenhauer in a 1v1 against Gabriel "⁠FalleN⁠" Toledo.

That round sparked a great run from EnVyUs, who added three more rounds to their tally to win the tiebreaker, 4-1, and secure the second spot in the group.

ESL Pro League Season 5 FinalsBest of 1

Matchpage

31st May 2017

Envy

Train

Envy	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Christophe 'SIXER' Xia SIXER	8 - 3	+5	141.8	60.0%	2.36
Adil 'ScreaM' Benrlitom ScreaM	5 - 3	+2	138.6	80.0%	1.73
Cédric 'RpK' Guipouy RpK	4 - 3	+1	76.0	100.0%	1.28
Vincent 'Happy' Schopenhauer Happy	2 - 1	+1	36.2	80.0%	1.03
Alexandre 'xms' Forté xms	2 - 4	-2	27.0	60.0%	0.61

SK	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo FalleN	6 - 4	+2	109.8	80.0%	1.38
Epitacio 'TACO' de Melo TACO	3 - 3	0	57.6	80.0%	1.07
Marcelo 'coldzera' David coldzera	2 - 4	-2	59.4	80.0%	0.78
Fernando 'fer' Alvarenga fer	2 - 5	-3	56.0	20.0%	0.64
João 'felps' Vasconcellos felps	1 - 5	-4	20.0	20.0%	0.13

The third place was then decided by an MR3 tiebreaker between fnatic and SK Gaming, also on Train. Starting out on the CT side, fnatic had no response to SK's double AWP setup, with the scoreline blooming to a 3-0 advantage for the Brazilians.

In the second half, FalleN got an early pick with the AWP before Fernando "⁠fer⁠" Alvarenga wrapped things up with a triple kill to send his team through the quarter-finals.

ESL Pro League Season 5 FinalsBest of 1

Matchpage

31st May 2017

fnatic

Train

Below you can find the final standings of Group A:

1. G2
2. Envy
3. SK
4. fnatic
5. Immortals
6. Cloud9

lol

2017-05-31 23:15

41 replies

ESL is so inconsistent with their rules, first there was a 4 way tie and G2 won it because of H2H, then Envy got to playoffs by winning the tiebreaker against SK and Fnatic, so SK should have the H2H advantage over Fnatic since they already beat them. i don't get why would ESL use H2H in G2's case but not on SK's.

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You can't just stop halfway through a head-to-head series and do something else, lol. Is this really not a bait? Wow. Let's say Fnatic beat SK instead. Then, depending on how the matches are played (in which order) a different team goes through each time. Because of your 'logic' here. Hm.

2017-05-31 23:18

23 replies

well, they decided the first 4 way tie with a H2H, the problem between the 3 teams that left was that SK beat Fnatic but Envy beat SK and Fnatic beat Envy, when nV won 2-0 that problem was gone and they could just decide it with the H2H just like they did for G2.

2017-05-31 23:20

22 replies

But... they already started playing a series. It would be unfair as your odds would differ depending on when you played. Assuming A>B>C>A (in the groups previously) Let's say in 1 scenario: A>B A>C then by YOUR RULE B>C but if C>B A>C A>B then B is out instead. Do you see now?

2017-05-31 23:29

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no, what would be unfair was if Fnatic won the tiebreaker against SK even tho that SK had already beaten Fnatic before and had the H2H advantage. it would be unfair that G2 got to semis by H2H while SK would get eliminated by a team that they were tied to even tho that they had the H2H advantage over them just like G2.

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What the crap are you on about??? LOOK AT WHAT I WROTE. YOUR SYSTEM WOULD MEAN IT WOULD MEAN THAT THE SAME RESULTS BUT IN DIFFERENT ORDER COULD MEAN DIFFERENT TEAMS GOING THROUGH. There, I used CAPS. Happy?

2017-05-31 23:31

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"superretardedflap" He chose his name for a reason

2017-05-31 23:45

how was that the same results you dumb fuck, on your first example team "A" won the 3 way tie breaker, then it became a tie breaker between team B and C and what decides tie breakers between two teams??? that's right H2H, so team B had the H2H advantage over team C thus they advance. on your second example its a complely different situation because it was still a 3 way tie and it didn't become a 2 way tie.

2017-05-31 23:54

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oh my god... I fucking know, that was what I was trying to show THAT IS MY POINT. THESE WERE THE SAME RESULTS. I showed that by your retarded logic in the first situation B>C, but if B and C played first C could have won. THERE FUCKING FORE it is better to play the person you lost to first GIVING YOU AN ADVANTAGE. Has that gone through yet?

2017-06-01 09:48

Once Again: In your version, SK losing to NV would automatically make sure SK goes to the next round How does that make sense? "Oh, we have to play this game, but let's just lose it, so we can qualify for the playoffs" WTF

2017-05-31 23:49

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what? you guys really need to learn the difference between a 3 way tie and 2 way tie. whe nV won the 3 way tie by beating Fnatic and SK. it became a 2 way tie between SK and Fnatic. so what is the rule that decides 2 way ties??? H2H that's right the same rule that they used for G2.

2017-05-31 23:57

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Let's get it simple for your small brain: a 3 way tie breakers means : - the 3 teams are starting from scratch a new championship between themselves. We don't care about previous results. Anyway this does not make sense to take about the previous results, because we cannot "solve" the H2H (every team are 1-1 in this 3 way confrontation : Thats means that NO TEAMS DESERVE THE QUALIFICATION MORE THAN ANOTHER in this 3way H2H. And surely not SK who get fucking stomped by NV. If we had only took a look at the round average between this 3 teams H2H, SK would have been out) SO we start a fucking new championship between the team. WITHOUT CARRING ABOUT PREVIOUS RESULTS. WITHOUT FUCKING CARRYING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS H2H ANYMORE I repeat for your small brain WITHOUT FUCKING CARRYING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS H2H ANYMORE WITHOUT FUCKING CARRYING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS H2H ANYMORE WITHOUT FUCKING CARRYING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS H2H ANYMORE WITHOUT FUCKING CARRYING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS H2H ANYMORE WITHOUT FUCKING CARRYING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS H2H ANYMORE WITHOUT FUCKING CARRYING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS H2H ANYMORE EVERY MATCHUP shall be played to decide the 1st to 3rd place And if 1-1 again for every team, then a new tie breaker is played, starting from scratch Are you brain out of your ass now?

2017-06-01 00:14

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"a 3 way tie breakers means : - the 3 teams are starting from scratch a new championship between themselves. We don't care about previous results." beep, wrong, there was a 4 way tie breaker between G2,SK,Fnatic and nV, what was the criteria used on this case??? that's right H2H so the "we don't care about previous results" bullshit that you said is wrong since previous results were used to decide the first 4 way tie breaker, then it became a 3 way tie breaker between SK,Fnatic and NV, NV won the 3 way tiebreaker 2-0. then it became a 2 way tie breaker between SK and Fnatic and if ESL used the same tie breaker criteria that they used for G2 when it was a 4 way tie then SK should have the advantage over Fnatic.

2017-06-01 00:13

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youn are more retarded than my dead grandmother... NO THIS WAS NOT A 4-way tie breaker... H2H is used to decide wheter we have a tie breaker or not!!! TIE breaker is used when the team are TIIIIIIEEE!!! If you have a better H2H, then you are not TIE, you are FIRST (like G2) We have an equality of points (not a tie) between the 4 first team. THEN we take a look of the H2H to decide if we can solve the order OR NOT it appears that in H2H , we have G2 3-0 , so no deal, they are first. SO they are REMOVED from the equality, as they are solved, and we ONLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE 3 OTHER H2H. This means that the results with G2 doesnt cound anymore. At this time, I Still do not have a tie breaker.... So I take a look at the results between the 3 other teams, and I got 1-1 for every people. So I cannot order the teams, so i am FINALLY in a 3-way tiebreaker. If it would have been different H2H such as 2-0 for Envy, 1-1 for Fnatic, and 0-2 for SK, we would'nt have any tie breakers at all!!! So we start a new championship between these three teams. That's all. A tieBreaker is only decided IF WE HAVE A H2H EQUALITY. So NO THIS has NEVER BE A 4 WAY TIE BREAKER stupid...

2017-06-01 00:26

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jesus, you are actually fuckin dumb H2H is a tie-breaker criteria. tie breaker is what breaks a tie you fucking retard, there was 4 teams TIED at 3-2 what was the CRITERIA used TO BREAK THAT TIE and make G2 advance? the H2H. so the H2H was what BROKE the tie between the 4 teams and made G2 advance, that's why its called a TIE BREAKER.

2017-06-01 00:27

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NO, you do not understand the meaning of "tie breaker DECIDER" in this context! Anyway, I can conceed that we won't agree about the sementic. Fair Enough. I'm mainly talking about tie breaker DECIDER, not only "tie breaker". I give you this one, but this does not change anything about my post... Thats like a championship, we have only two criteria , points and H2H If we cannot use the H2H, then we shall make a "tie breaker decider championship" Why the fucking fuck would SK deserved more the 3d place than fnatic without even playing them??? With your system, thats means that they could have lost ON PURPOSE to NV to just pass the groups without playing Fnatic... HOW FUCKING STUPID IS THAT "Let's loose the game dude!!!! hopefully with superretardedflap new rules, we are going through if we are throwing this one!!" This 3-way tie-breakers decider is not solved one by one. It won't transform magically in a 2-way tie breakers. The rules of a 3-way tie breaker is simple : New championship between the 3 teams. Until the end. POINT Every match shall be played before we can know the final standings... So we have to wait the final match to get final standings.. We already knew Nv would finish first as they won all their matches, but we didnt know the standings between SK and Fnatic as they were both 0-1

2017-06-01 00:42

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haha let me qoute what you said above "NO THIS WAS NOT A 4-way tie breaker... H2H is used to decide wheter we have a tie breaker or not!!!" H2H is a tie breaker at every FUCKIN sports, but you didn't even know that. "if we cannot use the H2H, then we shall make a "tie breaker decider championship" you just made up that "tie breaker decider championship" theres no such thing, they are just called tie-breakers and there's no way to decide a 3 way tie breaker by H2H if those teams beat eachother but when one team wins the 3 way tie then it becomes a 2 way tie and it can indeed be decided by H2H "Why the fucking fuck would SK deserved more the 3d place by fnatic without even playing them???" BECAUSE SK FUCKING BEAT Fnatic ON AN ACTUAL MAP AT GROUPS AND THAT'S WHAT H2H ARE FOR. With your system, thats means that they could have lost ON PURPOSE to NV to just pass the groups without playing Fnatic... HOW FUCKING STUPID IS THAT NO it doesn't you fuckin retard the matches would still be played until one team got the 2-0 if Fnatic won 2-0 then SK lost to Nv then SK would be out. the thing is you need to think about it as a 3 way tie and a 2 way tie. no matter which order the games were played if a team won the 3 way tie 2-0 to advance then it would becom a 2 way tie and H2H should be used just like they used it for G2.

2017-06-01 00:40

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I'm fucking sorry, but use your brain... -NV won Fnatic in tie breakers. -SK play NV just right after. NV is till not through, so they HAVE to play SK, right? -SK know that NV has won Fnatic just before -Folowing your rules, SK know that they shall LOOSE the game to go through... so that NV can go 2-0, qualify, and put SK in a stupid 2way tie breaker with fnatic that would qualify them regarding your rules... so they just have to type "/kill" every round... THEY SHALL NOT WIN THE MATCH otherwise they WONT BE AUTOMATICALLY QUALIFIED. They would have to break with fnatic, but why bother if you only have to commit suicide... Did you ever see that stuff in any sport???? That means following your rules that SK could have been through this TIE break situation WITHOUT HAVING WON A SINGLE MAP IN THIS TIE BREAKER, and just COMMITING STUPID SUICIDE against nv. Very smart stuff.... If you see this stuff one day in any sport just call me back... No what if SK/Fnatic for instance would have been the first match of the Tie breaker, instead of NV/Fnatic? Oh shit results are not the same! SK has to win! Don't you see how stupid your argument is? Or If you really want to solve the 3-way before going to a 2-way tie, just answer this questions : How do you decide which team will play the first 2 matches of the tie breaker? (in this case, NV, but it could have been any other team, this is PURE RANDOM)

2017-06-01 00:57

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well that was all on Fnatic, if they lost to nV then they should know that they would be out since SK already had the h2h advantage over them(again their fault for losing to SK on groups) now think about it, would be fair for SK if they lost the tie breaker to Fnatic even tho they beat Fnatic on an actual map and they should have the H2H advantage if G2 had it too?

2017-06-01 01:07

Now think about it, would have been fair if Fnatic won 2-0, and Nv lose SK in FINAL match, so Nv do not pass unless they CRUSHED Sk in previous game on Cbble?? So Fnatic and Nv have to win 2-0, but for Sk it's ok to play NO MAP to qualify?? Just get over it... in a 3way DECIDER, we do not care anymore about the previous H2H. We only make a from scratch championship... Let's take the words from HLTV : " A tiebreaker STAGE" (See hltv.org/news/20592/g2-top-group-a-tiebr.. So just interpret the word "stage" like you want. For me it means "new championship". And I'm definitly rights. You do not agree the rules, fair enough. You want one team to go through by commiting suicide, we don't like the same CS. Good night

2017-06-01 01:15

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what are you talking about, doesn't matter which team won 2-0 the other two teams would be tied on a 2 way tie and head to head should be used just like in G2 case.

2017-06-01 01:23

ehow.com/how_8449574_break-threeway-ties.. second link in google when typing 3-way tie decider If still tied, schedule a three-team "round robin" tournament in which EACH TEAM PLAYS THE OTHER TWO TEAMS AGAIN. The team with the best record in its two games earns the top spot. If tied, use point differential in the "round robin" games to separate the teams.

2017-06-01 01:30

anyway, i'm finished with you, sorry but I need to rest it's 1am here, good luck with your Third grade class

But it would be unfair

American genius ? Lol

2017-06-01 00:34

My guess is that in case of a tiebreaker every team will play it till the end, not matter their h2h

Because it was a three way h2h for sk, nv and fanatic. G2 beat them all h2h. Pls get your head out your ass thx

2017-05-31 23:19

and that's why it couldn't be decided by a H2H before, because Envy beat SK, Fnatic Beat Envy and SK beat Fnatic, but when nV won the tiebreaker 2-0, SK had the H2H advantage over Fnatic because now there was not a 3 way tie anymore just a 2 way

2017-05-31 23:22

but FNC and SK didn't play their match yet -_-

2017-05-31 23:55

that would not make it any better. only more confusing and less fair

2017-06-01 12:32

Because SK lost to envy and envy lost to fnatic

g2 won against sk, fnatic, nV sk > fnatic fnatic > nV nV > sk not that hard to understand

that's what i'm saying FFS, G2 had the tiebreaker advantage over Fnatic,SK and nV because G2 beat all of them. the reason why the three remaining teams coulndt be decided by a H2H was because they all beat eachother. but when nV won the tiebreaker against Fnatic and SK, it became a tiebreaker between SK and Fnatic and SK had the H2H advantage just like G2 had before over the 3 teams.

2017-05-31 23:26

You can't do this though You can't let the order in which the games are played have an impact Use your common sense In your version, SK losing to NV would automatically get SK to the next round How does that make sense? "Oh, we have to play this game, but let's just lose it, so we can go to the next round"

2017-05-31 23:48

jesus how fuckin dumb ppl on HLTV actually are, the ORDER DOESNT MATTER think about it as a 3 WAY TIE. when nV won the 2-0 it wasn't a 3 way tie anymore it BECAME A 2 WAY tie between the remaining teams. so doesn't matter what order the matches would be played if one team won 2-0 then the two remaining teams would be on a 2 way tie and it should be decided by H2H just like they did for G2.

2017-06-01 00:07

You are fucking retarded lol... Every match should be played for the tie breaker , whatsoever... whatever the order... it could have been SK-Fnatic for the first game... Or maybe, following your waste brain, Fnatic/Nv shouldnt have been played, because Fnatic already won the H2H against NV? And NV/Sk neither because NV already outplayed SK previously? it could have been 1-1 for each team then another tiebreaker would have been played It's just like a new mini championship between the 3 teams, what is so fucking hard to understand...

2017-05-31 23:52

no actually you guys are fuckin retarded, the order doesn't matter at all, it was a 3 way tie breaker (focus on the word 3) when nV beat SK and Fnatic. it wasn't a 3 way tie breaker anymore because Nv was already qualified for the playoffs, so it became a 2 way tie breaker between Fnatic and SK (not a 3 way tie anymore) and what was the rule used to decide the first 4 way tie breaker? H2H. so the order doesn't matter as long as one of the teams won 2-0 the other two would be on a 2 way tie and if one of those teams had the H2H advantage over the other then this team should advance.

2017-06-01 00:03

NV played SK in second match, but it could have been fnatic/SK for second match instead, then finally SK/NV to finish... It was just random planning... Do you thinkSK was top SEED in this tie breaker?? NO there was no top seed, this is a new fucking championsip between the 3 teams, how is that hard to understand???? EVERY FUCKING MATCH shall be played!!!! see #84

2017-06-01 00:12

no dude, the matches should be played until one team manages to beat the other 2 teams, for instance nV beat Fnatic and SK so they won the 3 way tie. then it became a 2 way tie between SK and Fnatic. so the h2h criteria that they used for G2 should have been used for SK and Fnatic too.

2017-06-01 00:45

Holy crap! you are actually retarded. I have never seen anyone this dumb. Head to head is decided only to break ties. If you cannot break ties with h2h then these matches will be played and h2h is not considered anymore. G2 has won against all teams which have 3-2 scoreline so they are qualified for semis. For remaining 3 teams you cannot use h2h anymore because all those three teams won against one of those teams. SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO USE H2H AGAIN. Instead they used tie- breaker matches.

2017-06-01 09:01

À tiebraker is like a mini groupstage between the teams concerned (nV SK and fnatic here). When it happens you forget about h2h, every team starts fresh and one need 2 wins to advance. Then it's a 1v1 no matter what. I have no idea what would happen in case of another tie though

2017-06-01 00:06

turns out envyus is good wtf

france stronk

ez for luxembourg

fnTIC UNLUCKY

+1 I'm so Fucking mad rn stupid system

how is the system stupid?

2017-05-31 23:50

cus mr3 is fucking retarded?

2017-06-01 00:28

go home fnatic XD

expected

nice one nV

Rip fnatic

why only 4 rounds?

MR6. If you get 4 you win.

2017-06-01 12:33

yeah but why?

2017-06-01 16:57

Fuck this System... FNATIC :((

Muh onlineeeeeee Envyus are a wasted spot..... sup now thorin?

2017-05-31 23:16

He can't say anything on twitter right now... heheheheh :D

2017-05-31 23:17

You have always expect something different than what he says

2017-05-31 23:32

c9 fanboy logic: >c9 win 16-4 against g2 >"c9 are back" >loses every other game

lmao

2017-05-31 23:21

rip fnatic :(

Poor swedish, go to tier 5 together with NiP

Haha, finnish CS, great cs. Good job even making top8?? oh u've never had a good result in all of cs:go history, gj. And hats off to ur performance at the hockey world championship, we beat u easy in the semi-finals, and we won the whole thing? haha so ez. Sweden got 4 majors titles and countless tournament wins, making us the greatest Cs nation that has ever existed. What does Finland have? a top 16 placement at fuckville tournament?

2017-06-01 13:40

what are those rules??? o.O

Fnatic hiding strats

+1 We will win major

Good job SK boys! FalleN is back Didn't let their spot in the playoffs slip away. Let's see if the French fluke goes on at bo3's #RUNSKG

Lets go NV!

Swedish scene 2k17 xD

Smashing immortals, envy and c9, playing decently against G2. Only bad game was against SK. Keep in mind this was all bo1s.. mr3 tie-breakers is not even relevant. And waddup danish scene, lol 1 major title xD Sweden have 4 xDD most in the world. Get rekt, you're not good at any sport haha, we just won the world championship in hockey. Cya

2017-06-01 00:24

hahaha salty swede! love it xD

2017-06-01 00:31

ahh, you don't have a comeback?

2017-06-01 00:33

what comeback! who even gives two shits about hockey? and what does hockey have to do with CS! this forum is about cs not hockey or what each country has achieved! are you 10 years old lol xD

Just comparing our two countries and Denmark comes up rather lack lusting, won't you say? Maybe you guys should try to win some more tourneys?

2017-06-01 00:36

you talk like sweden is the king of sports, you mentioning a shitty hockey event kinda proofs otherwise, its kinda sad dude. its not like you done anything major in the world of sports.. top kek xD

2017-06-01 00:47

Dude... Zlatan has just won EL. And he is Swedish, atleast citizen!

2017-06-01 00:53

hahaha! xD

Dude, they are so stubborn with Zlatan that like 4-5 years ago, they made "zlatanera" a Swedish word, which is like dominating. Goes to show how much the Swedish population has achieved in sports. PeaCE

2017-06-01 00:55

idd :P

But they are won Euro1992 in much more popular sport, u salty retard.

2017-06-01 01:04

lmao who the freaking hell thought this stupid format is good idea

Fnatic are a weird team. You look at them from an individual point of view and they are one of the very best teams in the world. JW, Olofmeister, dennis, flusha and KRiMZ - that's a pretty DAMN good set of players, but for some reason it's not working and they are not clicking as a team.

Maybe you should use your brain? like just a little bit? fnatic crushed envy, immortals and C9. Had on bad game against SK. Played decent against G2. And keep in mind that bo1's fucking random. To finish this off they went out in mr3 tie-breakers, which is pure fucking lottery.

2017-06-01 00:46

They lost badly to SK and lost to G2. The bo1 format is for everyone, not just Fnatic. They could have beaten EnvyUs in the tie breaker and after that they could have beaten SK. It was the same for everybody. If you think beating average teams like Cloud9 and Immortals was good enough to show you they function as a team, then what can I tell you? They obviously have all the talent from an individual point of view, but not everything is clicking for them right now as a team. Everyone notices that. It's not about being lucky or unlucky. It might be harsh on them considering the way they went out, but the problems are all there for everyone to see.

2017-06-01 02:25

envy rekt fnatic lol .. 16-11 for envy

2017-06-01 13:14

because they have no tactical aspect to their team. its 2017! you cant rely only on fragging power, which they don't even seem to be that strong at anymore.

2017-06-01 00:52

I'm sure if they decided it by bo3 matches, fnatic would easily go through to the playoffs. Those stupid bo1 matches and mr3 tiebreakers make me mad. I'm happy for nV, but seriously - fnatic out? Because of some bo1s and 2 overtimes? It's retarded.

2017-05-31 23:23

rly? They will play bo3 matches with 6 teams per group. The format is not unfair and has sense. G2 has advantage because won 3 games against those 3 teams so h2h they had advantage. And the other 3 ones, everyone 1-1 against each other so, having ot is fair..and if fnatic is out, it's because they played badly today..same as sk

2017-05-31 23:51

1 map and for sure 1 mr3 OT shouldn't decide who is through and who is out, it's never fair to decide basing on only 1 map. And I'm sure you wouldn't answer to me if SK failed instead of fnatic. Btw, SK will win any bo3 against nV, fnatic would too, but nV turned out being bo1 heroes, don't even try to tell me it's fair. At least elimination matches should be played in bo3 format, I mean, if you're good enough in bo1 - you're still through, ok, but if you lost some bo1s - you should play bo3 to ultimately decide if you suck or not.

2017-06-01 10:08

It is called the Macron effect.

but with flamby 2 majors

2017-06-01 09:53

The change was then remember?

2017-06-01 14:30

yes the changement was maintenant

2017-06-01 16:09

seriously most retarded system ever ESL fucking incompetent trash why are tournament organizers so shit? always Swiss format when there are like 8 teams playing and then this fucked up MR3 bullshit, and ofc group winners stright to semis even though 3 other teams had the exact same score. kys

2017-05-31 23:24

next time cry before the tournament begins, not after your team is eliminated :]

2017-06-01 10:05

I didn't know there was gonna be MR3 elimination you fucking idiot. Not even ESL themselves seemed to know since they fed Sadokist with false info during G2-fnatic, saying this and that team would go out bedore changing their minds and saying that a tie-braker should be played. I've complained about winner of groups going straight to semis for months but I guess you're too stupid to realize that could have been a possibility. No matter which teams would've gone through the format is still retarded.

2017-06-01 14:02

What are these scores 10:6 / 4:1 / 4/0 huh???

Oh mr 3 okay interesting

2017-05-31 23:27

ESL are fucking retarded and want to destroy competitive CS as a spectator sport, so they decided that tiebrakers should be MR3 instead of BO1 or BO3

That would take too long!! I like this format.

You don't have to watch it? And if they don't want to allocate the time for a proper way to decide who advances, then there are plenty of other formats to choose from

mr3 is pure fucking lottery, at least b01 is some what deserving

2017-06-01 00:21

It's just a tribreaker so I think it's ok

2017-06-01 03:46

Retarded format even if Fnatic had gone through (not a salty Swede) it's still retarded. Would have like to seen bo1 tiebreakers and the G2 h2h rule was retarded oh well

2017-05-31 23:25

What do you expect from ESL? Everything they do is retarded and turns to shit..

2017-05-31 23:28

+1 ESL is such a shit company hope eleague pgl and others take over

nothing else to expect from esl tbh.

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nv :o

random tournament retarded rules retarded format retarded ESL

2017-05-31 23:30

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There's nothing random. Round robin best format tbh

2017-05-31 23:44

yeah ESEA Premier finals are better right ? Oh wait ? It doesn't exist too bad for Virtus.Premier :(

2017-05-31 23:46

VP isn't even there so wtf r u talking about baguette?

2017-06-01 00:16

Checkflag

2017-06-01 00:49

+10000

G2 win!

2017-05-31 23:33

so glad that fnatic is out, they don't deserve to go to play offs ever

2017-05-31 23:35

show ur flag u fucking inbred, bet ur from a shitty ass country

2017-06-01 00:19

Europe is my country

2017-06-01 00:20

if he is a refugee he is european but has not any state nationality

2017-06-01 09:55

hahaha envy actually are good

2017-05-31 23:40

As an SK fan I'm just glad this day is over.

2017-05-31 23:43

same

what a great way to decide tiebreakers lol, might as well give points for a draw

Ridiculous, SK didn't even deserve to pass... Taco is worthless, he needs to go big or go home, and when I say home I mean Brazil

2017-06-01 00:30

esl using retarded systems, expected.. still the 3 teams that went through were the ones that deserved the most imo

bo3 winner/losers bracket is always better

2017-06-01 00:56

I think it's about time to not use bo1 anymore... all these ties and all these tie-breakers... doesn't feel right.

2017-06-01 02:30

gj esl _!_ sukc it

2017-06-01 02:55

I just dont know whats is the value of round diference, they dont use it for this?? It was way more eazy if thez use round diference instead of doind this shitty overtime games. I think the decider sould be 1st h2h, then Round diference then number of kills and in last case a full match between them

2017-06-01 03:24

I think both 4 teams should join a MR10 or at least BO1 to decide, there is absolutely no reason for G2 to get a free pass straight up to semi. The worst case in this messy decider is fnatic, I mean what did they do wrong? Smashed 3 teams, play decent with 1 and having bad game against 1. Then the organizer decide that "FU", play a MR3 then go home?

2017-06-01 03:36