Stewie2K about moses addition: "We needed someone to make sure people are accountable for their actions"

20-8-2020 11:19

After beating Cloud9 in the opening game of ESL One Cologne 2020 North America, Jake "⁠Stewie2K⁠" Yip spoke about Liquid's coaching change and what Jason "⁠moses⁠" O'Toole brings to the table.

Answering a question about their coach swap, which saw moses take a step back from on-camera work and pick up the role of the head tactician for the first time, Stewie2K pointed out that Liquid needed something different from what Eric "⁠adreN⁠" Hoag was offering.

"I think one of the main reasons we picked up moses was just because adreN, for us, was a more strategic coach, and we felt like we didn't really need a strategic coach", the 22-year-old in-game leader said in a post-match interview on stream. "We needed someone to not be afraid to point people out, make sure they are accountable for their actions, kinda be the bad guy on the team."

moses was brought on to be the "bad guy" on the team, Stewie2K explains

Taking on the responsibility of the pointing out other people's mistakes himself "could look bad", Stewie2K expanded, as he was inevitably going to make mistakes as well. To avoid the blame game, the team's in-game leader decided a new coach would be the best solution.

"I was just figuring out what is best for us, what we need from a coach, and I think moses fits in because he is NA's #1 cheerleader and really mature too, he knows what he is talking about."

Following their 2-1 victory over Cloud9, Liquid will take on Evil Geniuses in the winners' match of ESL One Cologne 2020 NA group B. "Right now, they are ahead of us," Stewie2K said about the upcoming derby as Peter "⁠stanislaw⁠" Jarguz's men sit in third place of the world rankings, but "we are not afraid of them".

easy for moses

2020-08-20 11:20

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Easy for Stewie2k

2020-08-20 11:38

I read moses addiction and thought wtf what has he been taking. xdddd

2020-08-20 13:01

2 ez 4 poizon

2020-08-20 11:21

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At least the username checks out...

2020-08-20 13:39

Haha that name

2020-08-20 16:05

2020-08-20 17:59

lmao

2020-08-20 11:22

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good username mens))

2020-08-20 12:41

I want to marry HenryG too

2020-08-20 12:46

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Me too, how we deal with it?

2020-08-20 14:19

let's share him, he's one month in finland and then he comes to brazil for a month, then the same again till the world ends cuz man i love Henry

2020-08-20 22:07

He can stay 11 months in Brazil and I allow you to stay in Christmas with Henry cuz Christmas in Brazil only means steals

2020-08-20 22:39

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That’s not fair men :( but ok i accept it, see you in christmas buddy

2020-08-21 01:59

lmao moses

What's so funny about that

2020-08-20 11:29

S1mple flair, what do u expect^^

2020-08-20 12:35

Stewie2K is IGL or TL now??? This kid needs fragging as his priority imo

2020-08-20 11:24

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He alrd was a while ago, When nitr0's form dropped he took the igl role.

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I know. But it don't think it was a good move by Liquid

2020-08-20 11:48

I didn't like it either, but it was clear they needed a change. And the only person from the 5 who new how to igl properly was Stew. There was also no one in NA good enough to IGL, People who keep saying they should get EU people clearly do not know that liquid wants to keep the whole NA thing going hence why making stew IGL was the best decision.

2020-08-20 12:36

I reckon they could've given Nitr0 and maybe adreN a bit more time maybe after the player break and see how he does... But the decision has already been made by the players so there is nothing else to say

2020-08-20 13:06

Fair enough, I do also think they rushed the decision. I personally think they should've waited 'till after the player break and maybe nitr0 would have been in a better form. But TL's rushing things

2020-08-20 13:36

Tbh I thought so at first as well but looking back now I think it was right. He had a good couple of months free from the IGL role but his form never really improved, and considering how fast he moved on to Valorant maybe he was tired of CS as well.

2020-08-20 14:20

I mean adren’s contract expired when Moses took over. He was talking about it on stream. So it’s not like they kicked adren early.

i mean TL got shitted on by tier 2 teams in the beginning online era, maybe it's because they're not used to online at that moment or because nitr0's igl-ing style is becoming predictable, or it could be both

2020-08-20 12:38

I feel like I'm otherwise happy with an entry fragging IGL. It's kind of like apex or zeus where they can run in, get a lot of information, and if/when they die they can focus more on IGLing. The difference though is that stewie is good enough individually that it feels kind of wasted, since he'd potentially do better without having to IGL

2020-08-20 15:28

when he was c9's igl, his fragging wasn't heavily impacted.

2020-08-21 22:55

Bruh what he was IGl or C9? For how long, and who was the IGL during the Eleague major 2018 do you know?

2020-08-22 03:56

after n0thing left, stew igled. When their form dipped for a few events after their really good season before the major, they passed around the igl role a lot. at the major it was either tarik or autimatic igling. I think stew called some matches/rounds but he mostly wasn't igl at the major they won.

2020-08-23 22:11

So Stewie is gonna get kicked soon? Nice

2020-08-20 11:23

Kkkkkkkkkk

NAice

2020-08-20 11:26

Moses has addiction? F

2020-08-20 11:31

fail... they pay moses a lot of money to be the bad guy and point out the shit ? you can get that for free by following thorin on twitter

2020-08-20 11:32

Seangares: "eyy lmao"

2020-08-20 11:50

you can get that for free by reading hltv threads

I was don't know this details

2020-08-20 13:03

true, they should have picked up Thorin as head coach, would have been hilarious :D

2020-08-20 13:27

The difference is that thorin just say a lot of bullshit to stay relevant, moose's actually knows the game

2020-08-20 14:21

thorin would be great if his skill/analysis wasn’t gold nova tier

2020-08-20 15:48

They will be shitting themselves if Thorin point out things about them lool that was kind of different experience

2020-08-20 15:53

Yeah right sign one of the nicest and chilled person in esports to be the bad guy haha

2020-08-20 11:39

he is more alpha and communicative than this weeb tho.

2020-08-20 11:44

Imo moses is overrated

he's not even rated, the guy has never coached before

2020-08-20 19:27

No but he was the caller for United5.. granted it was so long ago now and a differential game but if he could lead a team in his teenage years I’m sure he can do a good job now

2020-08-21 00:59

Thought it read "moses' addiction"

2020-08-20 11:47

Was addicted to his casting with Anders :( such a great duo

2020-08-20 12:11

It's interesting to see moses coach, I'm not sure if it's going to work but it's worth a try atleast.

2020-08-20 11:57

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Unexpected sebL saying something true

2020-08-20 14:23

Why unexpected?

2020-08-20 16:00

your always making useless threads and saying things that not even a guy that played cs for 3 hours would say

2020-08-20 16:01

I know my opinions and overall things I say are controversial, but cmon, it's not that stupid.

2020-08-21 10:20

They Made ynk do the same. Should workout.

2020-08-20 16:41

yes because liquid wants to be barely top 10 losing to heroic just like GOD FAZE

2020-08-20 19:17

YNk is not the same case, he was an analyst, so he had bigger knowledge about CS and coaching than a caster, but anyway I'm looking forward to see how they do with him.

2020-08-21 10:22

They did meat my expectations xD

2020-08-22 02:42

Why do you need moses to point out the bad player ? Just tweet thorin

2020-08-20 12:01

5Head

well stewie2k you are not accountable for your actions

2020-08-20 12:08

2020-08-20 15:17

Accountable xD either he got a beef with someone or he got a beef with someone😂

2020-08-20 12:10

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Ofc he will get into beef with people if he's going to try and change something. That always happens when you're going to take responsibility.

2020-08-20 12:42

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Wonder if he isnt part of the problem tho? Strikes me as such a person

2020-08-20 13:13

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How can you know anything about a person if you never met them? Besides who else is going to take responsibility, let alone have IGL experience? I dont see anyone else in the team who can do that.

2020-08-20 18:23

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And how can you? He says nothing bout him taking responsability in the article

2020-08-20 19:14

Anyone who's calling is responsible already. You dont have time to discuss calls in the match, you just do whatever is called.

2020-08-20 20:32

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I'm extremely doubtful he's calling play by play, liquid look like they're pugging and using strats already done before

2020-08-20 21:19

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Teams like that usually play off midround calls, so I'm pretty sure that's what he's doing. Teams like that usually have a secondary caller aswell.

2020-08-20 22:04

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I'm sure people are just going off of the game round by round, like "I got a pick lets go b", "only one at A", using info and utility to judge their decisions, not much of a strat start of round unless it's a pistol or eco

2020-08-20 22:14

That's not how it works. Yea, you give info but the caller is the one who makes the call on what you're doing in the round based on info. Otherwise you cant really hold anyone accountable for those calls and you're never going to improve as a team.

I mean it doesn't have to be, generally speaking players have set roles on maps to start with, so it becomes more of a habit than an actual strat. That's why they have defined roles, they get info, maybe some picks, some aggression or passive play can be a call the igl would make, but generally speaking you can only go so far as a team even with amazing chemistry and cohesion, because look at the teams who do have that and have broken up since. There will be no perfect roster, just better ones or worse ones. 1440p gaming is better than 1080p gaming

2020-08-21 01:01

We know nothing about team's chemisty or cohesion. There is no perfect way to play, you just have to play off your strengths. It's quite obvious that Liquid cannot play the same CS as Astralis, so the fact that they're trying to play CS that actually fits them I do respect.

2020-08-21 01:04

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Right, and that's to bring more firepower and play in a more puggy way

2020-08-21 01:05

That's going to work for 3-4 months tops and then they need to make changes again. There's only two ways you can reliably play: tactical style (Astralis way) or swedish style, sorta what fnatic and NiP before them were known for, which is actually best represented by BIG right now. Strong aimers, strong default, good chemisty, good midround calls.

2020-08-21 01:10

big lose to bots recently tho

2020-08-21 01:12

Yea their fundamentals still need a lot of work.

2020-08-21 01:30

xantares plays with turkey but really turkey plays with him

2020-08-21 01:37

"I think one of the main reasons we picked up moses was just because AdreN, for us, was a more strategic coach, and we felt like we didn't really need a strategic coach", ROFL.

2020-08-20 12:16

he's not wrong, TL can never be the strategic oriented team like other EU teams, they always rely on momentum and firepower, so instead of splitting their focus, why not focus on one thing and develop it to the max, (of course with some decent strat)

2020-08-20 12:40

so they can never use brain? nice

they won IGS not because of pin point perfect strategy, they always rely on their momentum.

2020-08-20 14:15

rush site while spamming utility*

2020-08-20 21:20

true NA noobs never use their brain. oh wait they dont even have brain

2020-08-20 13:37

True, add all skill points into str for max damage

2020-08-20 16:22

int is useless because they have no mana lul

2020-08-20 17:12

brute forcing their way up until major finals 5Head

2020-08-21 04:12

Well for NA tier 4 teams u donz really need one rn, hes right....

What's wrong with that? Stewie is not a strategic IGL, he doesnt need a strategic coach. He needs a coach to support his authority and hype these guys up so he doesnt have to do it all by himself.

2020-08-20 12:45

prepare to see liquid squad coming to tournaments with black eyes

2020-08-20 12:26

black eyes made by brown medium size dick

2020-08-20 13:14

27/8/2020 - HLTV News: moses about benching Stewie2K: "I held Stewie2K accountable for his actions."

2020-08-20 13:02

Lmao

2020-08-20 16:23

2020-08-21 19:24

They need someone to Get their players off of Valorant

lol 'professional' players need a babysitter kick all and replace with people who are self-motivated

Yea Moses spank these stupid children

2020-08-20 13:15

bot

2020-08-20 13:17

who?

stewie Still play more valorant an CS

2020-08-20 14:44

Firepower > tactics

2020-08-20 15:09

That's a very smart separation of duties Hard to be responsible for performing and keeping others responsible at the same time Very good to have the coach on top of that, as long as everyone understands that the team is working together to get over

2020-08-20 15:10

Kinda like how management consulting works. Hire external consultants to pinpoint issues so you can fix them without causing internal conflicts / disagreements.

2020-08-20 17:14

Great analogy, though having the right person who cares deeply for your cause is even better than "management consulting" More skin in the game

2020-08-21 01:24

True true. I also think moses can provide strategy too, we'll have to see where this goes. So far I like their current playstyle more than the previous one, even though it's sloppy at times as they've had relatively little practice

2020-08-21 12:26

Great points and the showdown with EG today should be a treat!

2020-08-21 15:52

"Kinda be the bald guy on the team"

2020-08-20 15:40

It's poorly worded but I get what he's saying. This team much like Astralis actually has clearly had some motivation issues in the online era. If he was being honest probably himself (Stewie) as well. Would still have preferred Kassad as he's proven but the players clearly have a relationship with Moses and end of the day TL is not the type of team that needs a strat bible. They tried that in 2018 and it was a constant string of second place finishes.

2020-08-20 16:07

a constant string of second place finishes against fucking prime astralis, they were doing almost everything right, they just needed a little push to succeed and stewie gave it to them

2020-08-20 17:57

First esports butt spanking for bad behavior

2020-08-20 16:24

Imagine hiring a caster as coach lmao

2020-08-20 17:08

so tell us who's not taking responsibility then

2020-08-20 18:17

Probably all of them. Which in this online world which is going to stretch at least another 3 or 4 months is forgivable but if they do want to come back strong when LAN does come back that work needs to start now. Honestly good on the team for recognizing that.

2020-08-20 18:32

so he is basically saying they are childish

2020-08-20 18:46

"WE NEEDED SOMEONE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS" So -Snake2k soon?

2020-08-20 19:03

“WE NEEDED SOMEONE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS” Says BOt2k who singlehandedly lost liquid a free grand final win vs furia a few days ago. If Moses is holding people accountable maybe it’s time to get rid of Stewie. He is the only thing holding liquid back.

2020-08-20 22:36

I remember Moses heavily sweating and losing focus over MIBR's lost earlier this year. He was commentating with others but obviously got distracted; he kept drinking and not talking. I couldn't think of anything else other than he bet on MIBR, and lost a bunch of money. It was a match MIBR should've won it but didn't.

2020-08-20 23:24

European cs coach: Let's motivate players and make them believe in themselves. American cs coach: Let's make people afraid to make mistakes and call them out on it when they do. And people still don't understand why NA only has 1 major title.

2020-08-21 00:23

Stewie is a natural leader and Moses is a solid mental guide for the team beating EG would give the team a lot of inspiration GLHF

2020-08-21 05:47

Agreed, I'm generally pretty convinced of this stewie as IGL. vitality apex and navi with zeus made the entry-fragger aggressive IGL type work, except stewie is even more skilled and can contribute more than just running in and dying. The style liquid play works with stewie i think

2020-08-21 19:26