Jamppi steps in for HAVU as xseveN is loaned out to ENCE for DH Open Fall

11-10-2020 19:07

The two teams will temporarily swap players as ENCE will begin their campaign in the RMR tournament.

HAVU have announced that Elias "⁠Jamppi⁠" Olkkonen will play for the team in the near future as a replacement for Sami "⁠xseveN⁠" Laasanen, who has been loaned out to ENCE for the duration of DreamHack Open Fall.

The Finnish AWPer is ineligible to compete in the upcoming Regional Major Ranking (RMR) tournament due to his VAC ban. According to HAVU, his stand-in period will cover "as many matches as possible" within the limits of his other obligations with ENCE.

Jamppi will temporarily play for HAVU

DreamHack Open Fall will run from October 15-25 and will have $115,000 and a spot at the IEM Global Challenge on offer in addition to RMR points. ENCE are currently fourth in the European RMR standings with 2155 points after finishing top-eight at the StarLadder Major, 9th in ESL One: Road to Rio and 10th in cs_summit 6.

xseveN was on ENCE's books between April 2018 and August 2020, though he spent the last four months of that tenure in a backup role following Jamppi's signing, only playing the two RMR tournaments. He has averaged a 1.07 rating since joining HAVU, in which he reunited with his former teammates Eetu "⁠sAw⁠" Saha and Lasse "⁠ZOREE⁠" Uronen.

HAVU are currently competing in LOOT.BET Season 8, in which they have a 1-0 record after beating Galaxy Racer in their opening match. They are widely expected to receive an invite to compete in the closed qualifier for Flashpoint 2 - scheduled for October 12-14 - after finishing in third place in the first edition of the league to pocket a cheque of $100,000.

The Finnish team will field the following lineup until xseveN return from his loan stint with ENCE:

Eetu "⁠sAw⁠" Saha
Lasse "⁠ZOREE⁠" Uronen
Joonas "⁠doto⁠" Forss
Olli "⁠sLowi⁠" Pitkänen
Elias "⁠Jamppi⁠" Olkkonen (stand-in)

nice

2020-10-11 19:07

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I don't think people realize ence bought back xseven in loan form lmao

2020-10-11 21:20

pog

2020-10-11 19:08

gl son

keep Jamppi in HAVU and disband ENCE

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2020-10-11 19:22

2020-10-11 22:38

FINNALY , GOD JAMPI

??? why

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"The Finnish AWPer is ineligible to compete in the upcoming Regional Major Ranking (RMR) tournament due to his VAC ban."

2020-10-11 19:09

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why xseven when XARTE exists

2020-10-11 19:10

to keep their RMR points if they get somebody else they cut maybe 20% of the points

2020-10-11 19:16

Is this a permanent ban? Like no major or just the upcoming major?

2020-10-11 21:42

Permanent ban. He can't compete in any events valve are directly involved in.

2020-10-11 22:35

read

Wow

axaxaxaxaxaxaxaxax -xseven + xseven

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9000 qi move, classic finn

2020-10-12 00:45

2020-10-12 13:37

Lul -taco +taco

2020-10-12 18:36

free this kid. stop fucking drama

2020-10-11 20:06

WUT

Nice

I mean, upgrade for HAVU. Just sad to see that Jamppi cant attend majors, Valve still lives on the stone age.

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i'm 100% behind valve on this one. if one kid can cheat and valve gives in and unbans him, then every vac banned shit will try the same

2020-10-11 19:13

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Not wrong

2020-10-11 19:15

How many VAC banned players we have who are good enough to play in majors. Also not just vac banned but people who were vac banned when they were literal children

2020-10-11 19:17

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we obviously do not have many, as most orgs would never pick up a player with a VAC banned account. but spontaneously vsm comes to mind: hltv.org/player/16816/vsm

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it is so fucking dumb that just because both of these guys tried cheats when they were under 15 they cannot attend valve events

2020-10-11 22:22

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You're right, they were dumb to cheat in a game they want a career in.

2020-10-12 01:10

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how would they know they wanted a career in the game when they were <15

2020-10-12 09:56

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He probably should've thought about that before he cheated hey.

2020-10-12 10:18

how can anybody know or understand that at the age of 14

2020-10-12 10:27

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Are you being serious right now, or did nobody actually teach you that your actions have consequences? These are concepts that the vast majority of people can understand well by age 10 and certainly very well by their teens. *Edit: The reality is that he would've understood but made a choice to cheat anyway. I have no doubt he regrets it now ;-)

2020-10-12 10:35

actually in my country there is a thing called doli incapax which deems children aged 10-14 incapable of forming the intent to commit a crime or tort. if the court of law thinks that a person aged 10-14 cant understand that their crime (cheating) may have life repurcussions they won't charge them unless it can be proven the child knew. (which jamppi didn't)

2020-10-12 10:40

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I'm going to assume you're not fake flagging in which case we're from the same country. The law gives the possibility to charge a child as young as 10 but errs on the side of caution, as all of our laws tend to (see the Blackstone ratio), and requires proof that the child understood the seriousness of their actions. It's an extremely important law too, a criminal conviction can impact a child's future to a severely destructive degree. That argument is invalid, however, because fortunately for Jamppi he's not being charged with any crime and as such, the penalty for his actions aren't criminal and haven't destroyed or severely impacted his life. He's still free to do absolutely whatever he wants, except one very specific thing, he can't play in a CS:GO Major.

2020-10-12 11:05

do you think jamppi understood the consequences of his actions when he decided to cheat in a video game at 13-14 y/o or whenever he did? personally i dont think anyone who did at that age and then has the opportunity for csgo to be their primary source of income would still go back in time and cheat

2020-10-12 11:19

I don't think it matters in the slightest if he knew about the penalty or not, I have zero doubt that he knew cheating was disruptive and wrong, and the penalty for cheating itself is not unreasonable imo. I definitely agree that most people in his situation would love to take the cheating back, but unfortunately that isn't how life works. Most people receiving any significant penalty for anything, ever in history, would love to take their actions back. I'm sure the people whose games he ruined by cheating want those hours back too.

2020-10-12 13:28

He was 14 already by the way, so he was above the age for doli incapax to apply and even our legal system would assume he knew what he was doing and hold him responsible for his actions.

2020-10-12 13:56

If you are kqyl and cheated as a pro player, and potentially in official matches, you deserve to be banned, but cheating as a kid shouldnt be equal to lifelong punishment

2020-10-11 19:55

2020-10-11 20:07

2020-10-12 13:57

2020-10-12 01:08

It's all about setting an example to newer players so they don't cheat otherwise they will never play in the biggest stages.

2020-10-11 19:18

As a 14 yo you never think about whether you will become a pro or not because it's so far in the future.. srsly, get real. whether or not jamppi is or isnt vac banned wouldn't make any difference at all to a kid lmao.

2020-10-12 01:22

The point is to never cheat.

2020-10-12 01:24

A kid will never think about it, they don't think "am I going to dedicate my life to this game", if someone encourages them to cheat they will cheat because they don't give 2 fucks about getting banned unless they have skins or something to lose. you are applying the adult idea of "cheating ruins the game for others" in the mind of immature kids who frankly don't care, they want to have fun in a game. and on top of that, jamppi didn't get himself banned, he has repeatedly said that it wasn't him that cheated. so this logic that you're using makes no sense on top of that.

2020-10-12 01:29

You are right, #unbanForsaken

2020-10-12 09:14

GL fishman!

welcome BACK

-Jamppi +Xseven = EZ major winners

2020-10-11 21:16

lol banned shit haa

Deserved for banned guy

2020-10-11 19:12

wtf is this shitshow

It's called cooperation between two organizations to make the best out of a shitty situation.

2020-10-11 19:14

yeah, good for ence that they found an organisation stupid enough to play this shitshow with them, but this is stupid. i'm almost certain ence has hoped for jamppi to be unbanned before the next valve events start and this is a backup plan. now they can try to fit xseven back into their gameplan while - looking at the stats - jampii isnt even worth all that effort

They probably got xseven cheaper with this arrangement, and xseven played mostly played the same spots as Jamppi (at least on CT)

Havu +Jamppi full time Ence- disband team

Young JW lmao

-xseveN +xseveN

are you fuck you

which means havu wont be playing majors

Well seeing that they would have a huge deficit of points to catch up it is understandable.

2020-10-11 20:19

EZ4HAVU

2020-10-11 19:24

what a bot move

2020-10-11 19:25

so HAVU just completely gives up qualifying for the major?

2020-10-11 19:32

No? xseven will be back after DH Open Fall ends

2020-10-11 19:36

but they play a RMR event with someone who is banned from majors?

2020-10-11 19:37

HAVU isn't going to play any RMR events in the near future

2020-10-11 19:38

oh wait I got confused by the title, I thought HAVU is gonna play with jamppi for DH Open Fall 🥴

2020-10-11 19:41

wait I didn't even know xseveN had left ENCE in the first place...

Same. I thought he was the sixth player still

2020-10-11 19:52

xseven should just tell ence to fuck off.

2020-10-11 19:39

I cant imagine what kind of mindfuckery they are doing to make that work at all. The weirdest thing is that xseven was actually performing better than before when coming from bench last time.

2020-10-12 14:23

lul ence don't want him anymore .

2020-10-11 19:46

Rip Ence in major

2020-10-11 19:49

lul ence lul

2020-10-11 19:51

Thing you have to do when you sign a cheater

I don't see any cheaters in here tho

2020-10-12 00:20

Lmao, not a bad solution tbh considering the situation, smart moves

2020-10-11 19:59

what about miika "more firepower" kempi?

2020-10-11 20:01

What about him? also it's Miikka Kemppi, not miika kempi

2020-10-11 20:03

no major for this cheater

2020-10-11 20:10

Who 🚗 🚗?

2020-10-11 20:20

So if ence qualify to the major, xseven will stand-in for them too?

2020-10-11 20:30

Yea

2020-10-11 20:44

Sad for HAVU, they are much better with xseveN, it will be nice to see xseveN back in ENCE tho.

2020-10-11 20:37

2020-10-11 21:15

Godseven will show how to play

2020-10-11 20:39

karma for hacking

This TaCkTicK TicKToCK brought to u by himopaska ence

2020-10-11 20:45

hahaha what a clusterfuck

2020-10-11 21:05

Ez 4 testo!

how long is jamppy's vac ban?

2020-10-11 21:28

indefinite

2020-10-11 21:55

have you ever played csgo? :DDD

2020-10-11 22:05

This is so weird...

2020-10-11 21:45

pog jamppi back to lootbet tournaments

2020-10-12 00:03

ENCE is a disgrace to the scene. The whole team and organization is kept together only because they are receiving so much money.

2020-10-12 00:51

yes.

2020-10-12 01:17

Might be a surprise for a kid like you, but that is literally the reason for every professional org or team ever to exist.

2020-10-12 09:55

What a ridiculous move hiring a cheat was.

2020-10-12 01:16

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk god playing dice

2020-10-12 01:20

Jumpi needs just big mustashes and another nickname

2020-10-12 03:25

so the kid wasn't as good as expected, better let's get back the guy who took us to a major final. edit: nvm i see now it's because Jamppi is banned from Valve tournaments.

2020-10-12 03:39

just kick jamppi already..

2020-10-12 04:25

LMAO EXPECTED MOVE CHEATER JAMPPI CAN NOT PLAY MAJORS

2020-10-12 07:21

just get AleksiB

2020-10-12 07:28

Let's go testosami

2020-10-12 07:45

Why ENCE don't make 6-player roster for this kind of situations?!

2020-10-12 09:17

That's what they had before Havu acquired xseveN. They'll probably need to find new 6th for the next Majors (assuming jamppi will be forever banned), as this arrangement of borrowing xseveN is only for this cycle.

2020-10-12 10:16

Damn this is stupid. Cs coaches basically walling for 100+ games in pro scene and gets 2-3 year ban. Jamppi cheat in matchmaking as 14 year old kid gets life ban.

2020-10-12 10:22

Valve needs to realize that the punishment has to fit the crime. I actually feel for the guy considered that he wasnt near being a pro. If they keep up with this its going to ruin the game. Even so, people are litterarly stealing money and they dont get fined nor punished as hard as someone that probably just made some people mad in a MM match. And who the fuck cares about MM anyways, its filled with garbage to begin with.

2020-10-12 11:04