[VOD] HLTV Confirmed with ESIC Commissioner: discussing HUNDEN ban and other integrity cases

The show goes live at 14:00 and aims to provide answers regarding the widely discussed case involving Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen and HEROIC.

Ian Smith, the Integrity Commissioner at ESIC, will make his second appearance on HLTV Confirmed to give insight into the latest discoveries regarding the actions which led to HUNDEN's two-year ban.

ESIC Commissioner Ian Smith joins the show on Twitch

Smith took part in a HLTV Confirmed show in September of last year when the coach-bug scandal was rocking the CS:GO scene, and is looking to give insight into how ESIC approached the latest case involving HUNDEN. The Danish coach, who was previously banned for the coach bug abuse, originally claimed that his players were unaware of the exploit, but has recently changed his story and implicated his former teammates.

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HUNDEN to serve two-year ban following ESIC investigation

Time permetting, other ESIC cases will be discussed on the show: the Australian MDL betting bans, the Akuma betting fraud investigation, the FBI-involved NA matchfixing cases, and what remains to be released regarding the coaching bug report. Depending on the lenght of the talk with Ian Smith, the trio of panelists in Chad "⁠SPUNJ⁠" Burchill, Milan "⁠Striker⁠" Švejda, and Zvonimir "Professeur" Burazin will touch on ESL Pro League and recent news.

Topic list:

Hot seat with ESIC Commissioner
- What we know about HUNDEN's case so far
- HUNDEN investigation, deciding on 2 year ban
- Opposing team involvement
- Allegations against Heroic players
- Other ESIC cases: Australian MDL bans, Akuma, NA matchfixing, coaching bug
EPL
- Who wants to be a skinionaire?
- Group C: fnatic first look
- Group D: Gambit's for the taking?
Playtime
- Parimatch matchmaker game
- Viewer questions and leftover topics

Keep track of the show on social media:

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Australia Chad 'SPUNJ' Burchill
Chad 'SPUNJ' Burchill
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.88
Maps played:
160
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.73
Czech Republic Milan 'Striker' Švejda
Milan 'Striker' Švejda
Age:
28
Rating 1.0:
1.30
Maps played:
11
KPR:
0.90
DPR:
0.64
Denmark Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.81
Maps played:
1578
KPR:
0.55
DPR:
0.70
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nice
2021-08-31 10:28
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They should give more attention to weplay academy league which was an astonishing event, but no one apparently wants to talk about it
2021-08-31 12:36
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#48
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Germany zenfox
What do you mean? There have been so many news about it. JDC: "I SHOWED THAT I'M HERE TO DESTROY IF IT COMES DOWN TO IT" RELIVE THE WEPLAY ACADEMY LEAGUE FINALS WITH THE BEST PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE EVENT IN KYIV MOUZ NXT WIN INAUGURAL WEPLAY ACADEMY LEAGUE VIDEO: MANN3N VS. MOUZ NXT just from yesterday.
2021-08-31 12:51
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#52
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Netherlands meneerkaas
+1, maybe next week if there is a player as the guest
2021-08-31 13:41
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They already talked about it in previous one, not sure which one exactly
2021-08-31 13:46
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#79
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Yugoslavia GumGuyHLTV
noone respects the academy, but that's doggy dog life we keep on livin.
2021-08-31 18:19
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#2
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Australia frogskate
not nice
2021-08-31 10:28
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1 reply
#37
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Israel patchy1
not not nice
2021-08-31 12:19
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Can hardly wait
2021-08-31 10:29
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ban hunden, and all heroic players
2021-08-31 10:29
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1 reply
Why ban all the players? They have nothing to with this issue that hunden inflicted to Heroic.
2021-08-31 11:53
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I played cs with Ian Smith, super chill guy. He says let's tec9 rush B and then sat in tunnels. Clutched it out in the end 1v5.
2021-08-31 10:30
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7 replies
#8
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Norway TheDEA
That's not how you rush B.
2021-08-31 10:37
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5 replies
No way, you don't say.
2021-08-31 10:51
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4 replies
how do we rush b? I always go alone A to get free lurk kills?
2021-08-31 11:47
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#80
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Russia lo0u
No team ever rushes B. They always run towards tunnels, throw a bunch of bad flashes and blind the only idiot that goes in and gets killed, usually with the bomb.
2021-08-31 18:39
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2 replies
+1 I’m always that idiot
2021-08-31 23:41
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What can I say? Imma team player bb :*
2021-09-01 19:08
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can confirm, i was there. we rushed b, sat tunnels, a plant and then killed all 5 ct's in b. it was epic. I HAVE PICTURES.
2021-08-31 12:17
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Why doesn't he want to talk about HUNDENs involvement in the investigation vs the other parties involvement in it?
2021-08-31 10:30
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1 reply
Because guilty people do not want to bring fire to the gas.
2021-08-31 16:01
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#9
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India rivervp
What about the person or org who received the anti strat material from hunden? Any possible investigation or action against them?
2021-08-31 10:40
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the question is: is there any chance?? You need first a little piece of "evidence" to start such an investigation. ATM I don't see a way to prove it. And Hunden as "witness" is very doubtable, even if he says "the other team asked for this" without any good evidence there is no chance.
2021-08-31 10:48
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"permetting" "lenght" sloppy spelling, professeur
2021-08-31 10:44
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ahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahah
2021-08-31 10:45
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interesting that SpunJ has time for it. I guess it is the reason for the early show.
2021-08-31 10:46
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1 reply
yes, and we also try to avoid overlapping with T1 matches as much as possible (which is often similar to SPUNJ's availability)
2021-08-31 11:58
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I'm curious as to hear his take on why this is an ESIC issue and not just a legal matter between Heroic and Hunden.
2021-08-31 10:51
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This shit is going DOWN
2021-08-31 10:51
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"Opposing team involvement" Gonna be very interesting to know what involvement Astralis had in this.
2021-08-31 10:59
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I don't think Astralis used such dirty methods. More like Hunden was trying to be a "nice guy" to get coach spot in Astralis (only my opinion)
2021-08-31 12:11
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11 replies
Or bait them, so he could pressure them with exposure unless they gave him (whatever)
2021-08-31 12:12
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10 replies
I don't think he can blackmail someone with his reputation, no one will believe him anyway. Edit: typo
2021-08-31 12:17
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9 replies
I hope Astralis is innocent in this, really
2021-08-31 12:18
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8 replies
they are safe, don't worry Even if not, remember one thing: ESiC can only ban Australian kids who bet on themselves xD
2021-08-31 12:22
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#81
b1t | 
Russia lo0u
I think they never even accessed the folder HUNDEN tried to share with them. I wouldn't be surprised if they baited him just to screw him up, since Nikolaj Nyholm doesn't like HUNDEN.
2021-08-31 18:40
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Not on the Google Drive anyway, but I don't think Astralis would bait him, it was probably more the other way around. I didn't know that Nikolaj Nyholm didn't like THE DOG. Do you have a source for that? Or a reason?
2021-08-31 18:47
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#85
b1t | 
Russia lo0u
2021-08-31 19:18
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4 replies
"I respect coach and players immensely but you have to be honest here, boys." Doesn't seem to be a disliking towards anything else but the cheating
2021-08-31 19:18
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#87
b1t | 
Russia lo0u
You mean that PR stunt? If he really meant that, he would've deleted the first tweet and apologized. He didn't. It's clear he had no love for HUNDEN and Heroic, as has also been reported by Thorin and Richard Lewis with behind the scenes info.
2021-08-31 19:21
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Okay, didn't know - just remembered this from gla1ve. He knew they knew "If i was a player, and my coach cheated without me knowing it. I would 100% go out and tell the public that I had no fucking idea that this was going on." twitter.com/gla1ve_csgo/status/131203961..
2021-08-31 19:23
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#89
b1t | 
Russia lo0u
You're probably going to find more stuff, since you're Danish. I just know what has been translated and reported by hltv, RL, or that was on twitter. But the HUNDEN move never made any sense anyway.
2021-08-31 19:28
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#18
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Russia diphrel
lul
2021-08-31 11:19
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#19
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Russia ToughGuy
still waiting for akuma ban
2021-08-31 11:22
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LET'S GOOO BOis
2021-08-31 11:26
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Please expose all snake orgs and players)
2021-08-31 11:26
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#22
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Denmark Dral_Shady
So damn early still at work here!!!
2021-08-31 11:36
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Who cars about dog hunden, better investigate blatant cheating and fixing from Fiend
2021-08-31 11:58
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at 14:00 already? i like it)
2021-08-31 12:06
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#29
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Finland eesau
WHEN WILL WE HAVE HLTV CONFIRMED WITH HUNDEN? Both sides deserve to be heard.
2021-08-31 12:11
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#31
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Poland t0ma5h
Better talk about Ence, Endpoint, Fiend and Skade
2021-08-31 12:13
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1 reply
What Ence and Endpoint did?
2021-08-31 12:22
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#33
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African Union mikecool
interesting
2021-08-31 12:15
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maybe ban hundecam for life asap?
2021-08-31 12:18
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It's going to be both hilarious and sad that they will not touch the accusations against Heroic players.
2021-08-31 12:22
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3 replies
do you mean ESIC? because they're gonna ask questions about it according to the article
2021-08-31 13:37
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2 replies
Yep, I'm listening atm. It's pretty clear though that at least some of the heroic players knew but HUNDEN needs to show proof
2021-08-31 15:12
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1 reply
yeah, probably lots of players on the teams that abused the bug knew about it, but until we have evidence we just have to give them the benefit of the doubt, i'm afraid.
2021-08-31 15:30
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For some reason i can feel a disaster....
2021-08-31 12:27
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ye...and hltv consultant tgwri1s has alr kinda argued with him be4, didnt see this coming
2021-08-31 12:31
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2 replies
well, i`m getting some popcorn so i can enjoy this..
2021-08-31 12:33
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1 reply
same
2021-08-31 12:37
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Interesting, did Heroic players knew something...
2021-08-31 12:34
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I'm a bit confused as to what Hunden would gain from sharing the details of the strategy document? Does anyone have an idea? I haven't seen any news mentioning anything about it.
2021-08-31 12:37
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Apparently, HUNDEN agreed to protect Heroic and the players by taking the fall and pretending that no one except himself knew about the coaching bug. According to some rumors, HUNDEN then had a falling out with the management of Heroic and wanted to leave. Heroic didn't want that and offered him a car, an apartment, ownership in the Org, and also threatened him. That was too much for HUNDEN, which is why he blocked access to the Google Drive and as a way to "get back" at the Org, he shared the strats. It is mostly a revenge story. He protected Heroic and the players but then felt betrayed or pressured or whatever and wanted to harm Heroic.
2021-08-31 13:59
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I would like to know how much pressure Heroic could put ESIC under to make the "correct" decision?
2021-08-31 22:12
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I was under the impression that HUNDEN had strats in his workportfolio and these strats were something that were in the current Heroic stratbook. I dont know for sure though
2021-08-31 15:24
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I agree. But why would he share the strats. That's what I'm really curious about. What was in it for HUNDEN? Maybe it's only for revenge....
2021-09-01 11:44
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Will be nice to get a full explanation from Ian
2021-08-31 13:17
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#50
Faceit level 8  | 
DZ | 
Algeria SilverQuick
Good to hear some explanations
2021-08-31 13:18
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Time to deal with Pinnacle cup ESIC
2021-08-31 14:16
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I believe the old dude for some reason. If he's true in what he says then HUNDEN is just full of shit.
2021-08-31 15:07
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#57
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Denmark kehlet
Link doesnt work. good one :)
2021-08-31 15:09
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1 reply
Hltvorg at twitch
2021-08-31 15:12
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Analysts are understandably against the notion that Heroic guys knew.
2021-08-31 15:21
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Lmao at the salty aussies in the chat, sounds like you need to drop the cs dream and go to school
2021-08-31 15:31
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6 replies
Someone said there was an actual caster in there also criticizing them
2021-08-31 16:46
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5 replies
Sources:*someone*
2021-08-31 16:53
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4 replies
it was komodo
2021-08-31 16:54
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3 replies
oh i know that buddy
2021-08-31 16:55
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2 replies
yeah someone send screenshot) so whats the problem
2021-08-31 16:58
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1 reply
no problem,like i said, sources:*someone* ))
2021-08-31 16:59
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#64
Faceit level 10  | 
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Brazil HenTheX
hot
2021-08-31 15:35
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ESIC are so stupid. Why didn't they punish vitality streamsniping? Oh wait they're a tier1 team and that wouldnt be good for the scene! Let's continue hunting top 300 aussie teams that bet on EU games and give them a lengthy ban. ESIC is the biggest leech i've ever encountered.
2021-08-31 16:46
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5 replies
+1
2021-08-31 17:01
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-1
2021-08-31 17:15
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You compare a tv on the background with a hltv delay with betting against on your own team.
2021-08-31 17:29
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2 replies
He literally just said "that bet on EU teams" The au players that were banned didn't bet on domestic games. My friend was banned for getting on a NAVI game and he isn't even a player, he's an admin for some Australian leagues and can't work in some of them because they're associated with valve.
2021-09-01 09:52
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Ok i havent watched the podcast yet. I taught i was a similar case to the us case. Then, it is a lack of judgment from esic. Its just vitality was a small case too. Calling vitality cheater is a bit overblown.
2021-09-01 13:49
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#freehunden lul
2021-08-31 17:06
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#78
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Australia Dadecum
free foggers
2021-08-31 18:05
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no one noticed how he said something about NA cases still being investigated with some players fleeing to Valorant. NA deader than you thought. Other than that he has no idea about CS and thought it was weird to do scrims before tournaments. Because Man City wouldnt do that. It is very normal that coaches or players are sharing something about a smoke tactic for example with the public. (which is not what hunden did but still his view on things is very bad for making decisions in CS ban rulings)
2021-08-31 19:11
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#84
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Ukraine futplxyer
ESIC "under-resourced" and "be patient" is all he said. Entirely funded by members (tournaments orgs) so your clownfiesta matches in tier 2/3 CS will continue 24/7 and any suspicions of match fixing will be thrown out.
2021-08-31 19:15
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Lmao Hunden fans in the chat malding and calling out ESIC
2021-08-31 19:52
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I think hunden would have created new strategy docs or made a summary of strats post handing over resignation so that the same would be useful once he leaves and the fallout happened after Heroic org did not not allow sharing content.
2021-08-31 20:13
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#92
Faceit level 8  | 
DZ | 
Algeria SilverQuick
It's sad and funny at the same time because EU kids were crying back then at CIS teams accusing them of cheating (GAMBIT ERA) while the ones who were cheating exploiting bugs and even leaking starts are those of EU and with solid proofs on top of that, what would you say right now dear EU fans after this scandal?
2021-08-31 21:05
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This is very interesting, I am a bit unsure as to how this procedure can be fully legal. "private" conversations that are not heard by a court, would like to hear more about the conversations between ESIC and Heroic. Oh well... we will never know I guess.
2021-08-31 21:34
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#100
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Denmark Litvan
tbh.. I get that spunj dislikes hunden.. and I agree on the fact that either he was lying a year ago, or he's lying now.. so fuck him... but I find it.... unbecoming.... that spunj sits there going "fuck hunden, he's a liar..." ect ect when he's the host of the show.... he should perhaps try to remain a little more professional imo spunj isn't richard lewis or thorin
2021-09-02 02:51
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