ESIC open investigation into alleged complicity of Heroic players in coaching bug abuse

6-9-2021 17:50

The esports watchdog has received information from Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen which triggered the start of a formal investigation.

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) has opened an investigation into HUNDEN's claims that players in HEROIC were aware of the coaching bug abuse after receiving evidence from the team's former coach.

HUNDEN's claims will be investigated by ESIC (photo courtesy of Heroic)

"On 4 September 2021, Mr. Petersen sent ESIC information which he alleges provides evidence that the players who were playing for Heroic at the time of Mr. Petersen’s exploitation of the spectator bug were complicit in his exploits," ESIC explains in the latest entry to their Open Investigations Register.

"Despite the fact that this allegation is contrary to previous public statements Mr. Petersen has made, ESIC has opened a formal investigation into the matter." ESIC didn't reveal additional details about how the investigation will progress, only stating that they will "make further comment on the investigation in due course."

ESIC Commissioner sheds light on HUNDEN inquiry, all other investigations

HUNDEN implicated his former teammates in the coaching bug abuse in an interview at the end of August, but the two parts of evidence he provided to back up his claims were only released on September 3 via TV2.

A part of a conversation between HUNDEN and Nikolaj "⁠niko⁠" Kristensen specifically implicated the current OG player, who was quoted as saying: "Everyone on our team knew it. Maybe not the first time. But after. Everyone knew that." Meanwhile, René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen was connected to the abuse through server logs that reportedly imply the player helped HUNDEN get into an otherwise unreachable position where he triggered the coaching bug.

TeSeS: "It's very tough; there's a lot of hate going on"

Regardless of the process starting, HEROIC seem set to compete in the playoffs of ESL Pro League Season 14. As of now, the esports watchdog hasn't issued any recommendations regarding the Danish team, such as to exclude the team from ESIC-sanctioned tournaments as they did in the Akuma case. ESL are yet to comment on the matter.

The following players were a part of HEROIC at the time of the coaching bug incident:

Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller
Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund
René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen
Nikolaj "⁠niko⁠" Kristensen
Johannes "⁠b0RUP⁠" Borup

Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen (coach)

oof

2021-09-06 17:51

10 replies

ez perma ban for cheating cadian one more time god hunden prooven to haters that he is the goat

2021-09-06 18:47

3 replies

That will not happen. Given the fact that Hunden was initially banned for 12 months and it was later reduced to 8 months. It’s unlikely they get ban for more than 12 months. But you never know, and I could be wrong.

2021-09-07 03:47

2 replies

i think they should actually face a higher penalty, because they tried to get away with it for so long now, knowing full well what they did

2021-09-07 09:02

1 reply

It's a possibility We'll see what ESIC does

2021-09-07 09:06

Lets never forget... CADIAN!!! Where is that one guys CSGO lessons Cadian!? Its been over 6 years CadiaN. Real CSGO fans will remember CadiaN. Also go Akuma!

2021-09-06 18:50

5 replies

So not only a liar but a cheater too.

2021-09-07 01:11

What was happened 6 yrs ago?

2021-09-07 02:44

Guy won a contest for csgo lessons from CadiaN and cadian never gave him the lessons

2021-09-07 02:54

Thats a lesson in itself

2021-09-07 07:45

XDDDDDDDDD

2021-09-09 11:21

RIP

51 replies

BAN THOSE WANKERS

2021-09-06 18:01

50 replies

Honestly I think ESIC will have to let this one slide. Its obvious alot of players were aware of their coaches abusing the bug. I think Richard Lewis or Thorin spoke about this but surely you wouldnt find it sus that your coach was all of a sudden having massive reads out of no where. If ESIC ban heroic its gonna spark something where alot more people are found to be involved and its gonna result in half the scene being banned. Imo the only solution to this is either a warning or a fine

2021-09-06 18:10

47 replies

If they dont they might as well say cheat is ok.. No it needs to be ban on the players not the org obviously

2021-09-06 18:15

31 replies

100% ban all of the fucks The org should get a punishment if ESIC finds clear evidence but if not let the org rebuild normaly without those cheating scumbags Cheating should be a zero tolerance +1

2021-09-06 18:19

7 replies

this. For us plebs cs is just a game but these guys earn their living of of it. If you cheat your coworkers in your job, you will get fired as well. They all knew it was cheating, if they were indeed complicit they should get banned as well.

2021-09-06 18:46

You don't get it bro. They would potentially have to ban half of the pros in top 30 teams today. That could mean the end of csgo pro scene , it would make csgo the laughing stock of all the eSports scene , shit load of work will have to be put in to actually catch all the pros involved , money will go down the drain , all the banned players will go to valorant and take their fans with them and suddenly that trash game will bloom , and csgo will take a massive hit and the cheating issue will be more controversial and trending than ever. Even if they ban all of heroic , they would then demand investigations against all the other teams whose coaches got banned and eventually esic would have to start lying with "not enough evidence" and let all the cheaters go. Don't forget 40 fucking coaches were involved in this , not just hunden

2021-09-06 19:42

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how? where is all the proof of the rest of the scene? there is only this, not on half of the pros in top 30 teams

2021-09-07 00:22

take every coach that was found to use the bug. say that every player who was a part of those teams knew about it and ban them all. that's a fuckton of the scene. That's what he's saying.

2021-09-07 03:52

there was a fuckton more evidence on Akuma than all the players from other teams whose coaches cheated, yet they didn't ban Akuma ..

2021-09-07 09:08

Good get rid of them. Hard work pays off.

2021-09-07 01:13

ESIC even claimed to go for a "zero tolerance" strategy lol .. so now they can keep their word

2021-09-07 09:07

they need more proof, hunden better have some better evidence than the stuff he's showed so far or none of the heroic players are gonna get anything

2021-09-06 18:20

TeSeS is done for anyway because Hunden needed a boost to cheat. Maybe they can save the other players, though

2021-09-06 18:31

he claims that it was teses but from what michau said it looks like he could be telling the truth but it's not 100% certain still isn't enough to convict and he has already lied to esic so they can't just trust him

he literally submitted server logs .. where Teses and hunden join the game before the others and an experienced referee said it is viable to explain a coaching bug setup

2021-09-07 09:09

it can explain is not proof the referee has litterally said it's not definite proof on twitter i don't understand the bug so i don't know how u tell this stuff but it's what he has said on twitter

2021-09-07 12:55

i think that all know, some of the players did know about the cheat, also, why should hunden not speak the truth now, also tv2 and Pimpe are 98% sure about they did know, and worst helping cheating, maybe the proof are not good enough for a banned, and if thats the case for me heroic can go bip them self, i never trust them again..

2021-09-06 18:27

Helping cheating? F*** is this? You didn't cheat or you don't? It's binary there's no middle ground.

2021-09-07 01:16

dumb or something? helping cheating is the same,

2021-09-09 19:38

And that's what I said: there is no "helping cheating" as you either don't chest or you do (helping cheating is cheating). Bro, you really didn't grasp the context. I eve explained it with binary choice.

2021-09-09 22:52

The org should be banned too. It's clear that the org was actively involved in covering it up otherwise, why would they retain HUNDEN as an "analyst" after being found guilty? Look at mouz. They kicked Rejin after he was found guilty and that was that. No more drama. It's clear as day that the players knew about the bug being exploited. The org, players and HUNDEN - all agreed that HUNDEN would take all the blame, HUNDEN would still keep his job at Heroic (probably because he threatened to ruin them all back then) and this all blows over. But obviously, things went south within the org later on for whatever reason and this is the result. Heroic players' radio silence is a sign of guilt for me right now.

2021-09-06 18:36

13 replies

Think how many other players would have known. Only team that arent guilty is probably Astralis of the top of my head. Sadly its the case but for the CS scene to continue you have to accept the ban wont happen

2021-09-06 19:07

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Apply that logic to the world of cycling and we'd all still be celebrating Lance Armstrong as a hero lol

2021-09-06 20:04

Right I dont follow cycling so cant really comment on it but lets say football. If 4/5 top teams were banned which had all the following ect you think that sport is gonna be anywhere near as big? Like imagine the world cup if it was fucking league 2 teams lmao

2021-09-06 20:32

I don't need to imagine it because it literally happened with cycling. If you allow cheating in your sport do you think it will be anywhere near as big?

2021-09-06 21:39

Im not saying allow cheating...

2021-09-07 02:35

Only a "few" in cycling got caught compared to the 1000's doping and basicially back then you couldnt win without being doped. Certainly not an excuse and its disgusting but they should have been pretty much banning every pro cyclist and team back then.

2021-09-07 07:52

Yeah for sure, unfortunately it's only possible to ban the people you can actually provide solid evidence against. That doesn't mean that you don't ban the ones that you do catch because there are 'too many' of them though as #135 is saying. I used cycling as an example because I remember one major event having over 40 of the top 50 riders disqualified for cheating or something ridiculous like that. They didn't decide to let them off to 'save the future of the sport' because they aren't fools and they realise that people lose interest in sports when integrity is in question. The majority of top teams aren't in question here as suggested, mainly one, but even if they were I can't abide waiving a ban on the basis of what is basically "but they did it first Mum"

2021-09-07 14:05

I agree completely

2021-09-07 14:39

Ye, what’s funny is that it wasn’t only Lance Armstrong everyone was cheating at the time, it was just a matter who was cheating the hardest and smartest.

2021-09-07 03:49

Bro, this is so wrong on so many levels.

2021-09-06 19:46

why?

2021-09-07 22:04

It's not even same org

2021-09-07 12:29

???? Did Heroic's ownership change?

2021-09-07 22:03

I'm not well read on this subject, but tell me how is it reasonable that the coach is banned while the player(s) is not

2021-09-06 18:17

I agree with you but if you want a CSGO pro scene to exist then its something where they will have to fine it and basically say in future reference will result in a ban. As most top teams had coaches involved in this would mean that majority of the top players would likely be banned. It sucks it comes to this but if you care about the scene you dont want everyone being banned sadly

2021-09-06 19:05

Maybe so, but when it comes to laws and rules and such I think it is so important to exercise it consistently, because otherwise it just arbitrary and it loses credibility. We are then not equal to the law no more.

2021-09-06 19:15

F*** them all bomb them all. It's burning people who deserve it means making a crazy wipe I'm all up for it.

2021-09-07 01:19

That's basically what they did with stream sniping. "Everybody does it, so we're not going to take any action against them". Good job esic.

2021-09-06 18:35

Problem is anyone saying that every single pro should be banned if they even knew about the coach cheating means that basically we would be left with the astralis core and maybe 10-20 other pros how to kill cs esports in 1 week

2021-09-06 19:03

Exactly what I was writing

2021-09-06 19:09

Afaik, they issued a "non tolerance policy" from that point onward, which was the right call. If you think banning the entire scene is good then you are beyond saving. You would have like 5 teams out of the Top 20 which wouldn't be banned. They could've fined them yes, but banning players is unreasonable and doesn't help the scene in the slightest.

The thing here is that we moved from "it's impossible to cheat on LAN, nobody would risk their careers and easy money" to "don't ban everyone who "cheated" because we will be left with 4 or 5 teams." I really don't care, if you don't want to ban people for streamsniping, you should do some kind of money penalty for sure. Specially with that, they did multiple advices until they come up with that "from now on..." Rule, that's comical when they banned now Hunden for 2 years, when there was no rule against it and no one taking advantage of it (because nobody opened) and they gave him a shorter ban period when he really cheated. It's all wrong.

2021-09-06 19:31

Ehm, this "cheating" didn't happen on LAN. But I agree with your point.

2021-09-06 20:09

Sure, I wanted to point that people think pros will never cheat, when it's obvious that some of them will do it of they have the chance.

2021-09-06 21:16

Yeah, that is the biggest problem from the point of ESIC - if they do not take action as firm as they did with HUNDEN and others, they will be discredited for being biased. But if they do, they open up a lot of implications for other teams. Hence why they should have investigated waaaay better before dealing with those bans last year. Bear in mind that this is also something that comes after a breach of contract that should be handled by Heroic and HUNDEN only, but they chose to interfere for the best sake of CSGO pro culture. If they let the coaching bug supporters slide, it would be easy to pin the whooole situtation as double standarts. Really complicated

2021-09-06 21:14

... in other words we accept cheating.

2021-09-07 01:20

OR, you will have nothing to watch except shitshow teams like SAW, FPX, Dignitas...

2021-09-07 01:42

Then I will quit. I don't watch them anyway. Integrity or piss off. Sadly money wins.

2021-09-09 22:46

F*ck them kids

2021-09-07 04:08

2021-09-07 04:12

Pog

This is so messed up xd

spicy

Crazy really

Nice

damn

no shit

Ban those rats

Tier 1 treatment

2021-09-06 17:52

OOF

rip heroic

unfortunate situations for everyone including the cs community.

2021-09-06 17:53

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that cheaters will be banned? its good

2021-09-06 17:55

when players from any professional organization get banned or are involved in conspiracies to cheat the system or make an unfair advantage for themselves it is never good for the surrounding community. It only brings the game down as a whole, so yes...it's not a good thing for cs.

2021-09-06 17:59

Hmm sure if the bug never got used it whould be better... But since the bug got explored we all know that all that has been cought have cheating coach and players.. This will most likely be the only case where players gets punnished unless other orgs dare to misstreat the old coach... My guess is 100-500k$ bribe to all old coaches

2021-09-06 18:03

even if some coaches would imply their players in complicity, they would have to provide evidende, aka server logs for example or comms, etc. i doubt many more coaches were as smart as Hunden to keep that data around, as they probably wanted to keep a low as possible profile and not have it traceable back to them. Hunden surely knew this is wrong, but it might come in handy saving some evidence... "just in case" :D

2021-09-07 09:16

Lol they won't

2021-09-07 12:35

They will be banned or CSGO is dead

2021-09-07 14:58

CSGO is already dead

2021-09-07 18:38

Hahaha only competitive game in eSports

2021-09-07 18:52

I feel a lot more disgusted and distant from csgo pros after these bug things. I'm sure there's many like me. Why would I watch a cheater's game? There's mm for that already.

2021-09-07 13:59

Yes? Thats why banning them is great. It's to bad every team won't get banned

banning them won't fix a thing. it's a culture problem. also if a ban-sweep really happened, it would be fatal to cs imho

2021-09-07 15:04

rip

GOD HUNDEN!!!!

2021-09-06 21:18

good

HEROIC BANNED YES sad for cadiaN tho

Yeah thats how he did the 1v4 with p250 and awp

That was after hunden got kicked :facepalm:

2021-09-06 18:14

U missed the joke my friend

2021-09-06 23:28

#185

2021-09-07 03:17

What a mess!

2021-09-06 17:54

rip cheaters

Karma is a bitch. You fight fire with fire

Nothing gonna happen. It will be a settlement between organization and ESIC. take ss of this comment. They will proof that Hunden is wrong & guilty.

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Kinda feels like that sadly. I dont wish that they did it, but some part of me wants to see justice and not a brush under the rug. This is a case close to the type you see with famous people avoiding paying tax and getting away with it because they are famous. They did it, but they are to popular of a team and brings viewers to game, so ESL dont want to ban them. AKUMA dosent bring in viewers, so no problem suspending them for a while.

2021-09-06 18:09

True! I also don't like these. Famous peoples get away with these and those who are not famous they face the punishment. I really don't have any example from the CS community to back up my statement but still...

FREE FORSAKEN

2021-09-06 18:38

Bruh! Are you serious?

2021-09-07 05:15

i really hope it's not like this this time...and that they take on a popular org and its players, because evidence was provided and everyone knows they knew but yeah cadiaN mentioned in the press conference that they're already "in contact with ESIC", so that kinda says they're already negotiating their options and the ban, depending on how the react .. like if they say "we're guilty" -> ban reduction, "we didn't know, Hunden evidence is fake" -> will probably get prolongued and case won't be closed

2021-09-07 09:21

It looks to me that HUNDEN is a lying piece of shit that is claiming this right now out of spite because he signed with astralis, gave them inside info of Heroic' strats, Heroic sued him for that and then ESIC banned him 2 years. He initially claimed no player was aware of it and now he claims the contrary. Either he lied then, or he's lying now, he's a liar cunt anyway.

2021-09-06 18:12

He is, but theoretically he could lie about "no one knowing" just to protect other players. Now that ESIC & Heroic started this sh*tshow with another ban for him he decided going full blown and taking hostiles with him.

2021-09-06 18:26

He lied in time when everything looked like he will stay with Heroic and covered his players, maybe even he had something promised by org if he tell that only he is responsible in that matter. Now Heroic ruined his career so why he cant go with true on public? If they really expected him to be happy when they ruined him, well here we go...

2021-09-06 18:28

true

2021-09-07 03:32

2021-09-07 09:22

#96 and HUNDEN actually has evidence for his claims this time

Bro, he said nobody knew because Heroic kept him undercontract, they forced him to lie, just like other coaches did. In theory he shared the stratbook because Heroic management was harrasing him because he wanted to move to Astralis after they kept him under contract. About 2 years ban for sharing those strats, has no sense at all since it wasn't a rule, Gla1ve and ropz did some tweets about how unfair that's.

2021-09-06 18:42

True. Even if this is legit, and the players knew about it + receive punishment...Hunden should receive an additional 1 year to his ban, 3 years total, or banned forever for lying during the initial investigation.

2021-09-07 05:12

and so should the players and the org, because they wanted to get away with it and forced Hunden to play the scape goat

2021-09-07 09:23

This ^^^^^, if they take action against those low lifers they will have to take action against more people... Sadly, these low lifers will be free soon and no action will be taken against them.

There's literally nothing in public leaks that would be enough evidence to make them guilty, some dogshit 3 sentence conversation between him and player and no context, didn't even include question he asked, wonder why. - We went to McDonalds again and it was so fucking good. - Everyone in the team knew - Yes - Maybe not after the first time but they knew Hunden is lying rat and there's reason why he leaked it first without full context instead of waiting for investigation. Trying to ruin heroic reputation before going out of door

2021-09-06 20:47

And so on and so on....

welp

2021-09-06 17:56

Haha good bye xiters.

List should be bigger. Problably many players knew about it.

2021-09-06 17:57

is IEM fall esic sanctioned

Every BLAST and ESL tournamets are ruled under ESIC decisions.

2021-09-06 18:13

anonymo going to IEM fall i guess

2021-09-06 18:16

I'd laugh so hard at cadian, talking on social that he is working hard to get good results, when he cheated to get them what a prick

2021-09-06 17:58

Most likely nothing will happen, if the proofs Hunden has released to the public, is all he have... Then it's word against word. Hunden is not to be trusted in this matter, the problem with this is that there is nothing the players can say to get rid of the blame and hate, doesn't matter if they knew or not, doesn't matter if TeSeS helped Hunden exploit the bug or not, there isn't any proof that they did, and there isn't any proof that they didn't... Besides that, there really isn't a reason why TeSeS would boost Hunden up in catwalk, it's not like he got any more information out of being 2 ft higher off the ground, for that matter... Hunden could have just asked TeSeS to boost him up there, without telling him what the boost was for. Not trying to clear the players of blame, i still believe CadiaN is capable of cheating atleast, but as of now there really isn't much to support Hundens statement, which is probably why ESIC hasn't excluded them from ESL 14

2021-09-06 18:07

RIP in Pepperoni Cheaters))

cya in hell cadian

rip og again

Nice, those stickers will go up in price, thx

2021-09-06 18:02

not funny

GOOD! get those cheaters banned

Honestly they should investigate all the players that played under coaches that got banned, as they should also have been aware of the coach bug right?

2021-09-06 18:40

2021-09-07 00:19

hard legion cheated their asses of like this xD

2021-09-07 10:11

2021-09-06 18:04

F for Heroic

2021-09-06 18:05

F is for fuck it

2021-09-06 18:48

bye bye heroic

refrezh is clean? niceee

If ESIC punishes the Heroic players for being complicit, ESIC should penalise Hunden a second time for lying about the players not knowing

Won't happen, unless the players come clean... As of now the released evidence isn't enough to support Hundens allegations

S N I T C H

2021-09-06 18:11

if niko is involved, does that mean he will be kicked from OG?

Yes, OG will more than likely punish him.

why would OG punish niko? Ofc they will have to get someone to replace him if he gets banned but nothing else

2021-09-06 18:45

bb cheaters

Sad, it’s just sad, these are good players :(

invstigate match fixing pog

Chandler HUNDEN Bing - If I'm going down, I'm taking everybody with me.

BAN THOSE CHEATERS

I'm confused. Didn't ESIC already investigate this matter? Why on earth did they not check if the players were involved in the first investigation? Or are they just that incompetent Not saying the players don't deserve punishment but ESIC is a joke.

well they take actions when social medias bitches about them not when actual cheating occurs so...

Maybe because they didn't have evidence back then? Do you expect ESIC to have psychic powers and read players' minds? Do you understand what whistleblowing is?

Because hunden said to them he was the only one. No coach implicated their player's. Plus, it's hard to tell how many players knew about it. They couldn't go after player's unless they had some evidence against them.

2021-09-06 19:32

Lessgo

and it starts, intresting they didnt recommend excluding them from tournaments, maybe there isnt that much confidence...

2021-09-06 18:22

The dude keeps lying. He was either lying to them during the investigation or is lying now. Either way he was found guilty twice so this investigation looks like a formality since he gave some kind of proof.

2021-09-06 19:36

why? you think they wont get banned?

2021-09-07 11:16

I think he is lying and this investigation isn't going to go anywhere.

2021-09-07 20:51

if he didnt present anything useful, they would not start an investigation

2021-09-08 10:35

they just started the investigation lmao .. why would they recommend TOs to exclude them when they're not even finished

2021-09-07 09:30

they did this with akuma right?

2021-09-07 11:14

*after* they investigated and found extreme suspicious betting activity tied to the team, aka match-fixing

2021-09-07 11:40

oh rip, i was thinking maybe astralis could make the playoffs after all

2021-09-07 12:15

Let's gooooooo

2021-09-06 18:23

One year ban i suppose for both Teses and Niko

2021-09-06 18:24

Hope they let it slide

2021-09-06 18:25

ok this is the first step towards ESIC gaining some credibility, now the punishments handed out to heroic players will be key in deciding whether esic are the "good guys" or just paid off by the corporate guys....

+1 All 5 players should be banned for atleast 5+ years. Not only did they cheat but they lied about it and if it wasn't for hunden snitching we would have never found out that the entire ORG was involved.

2 years is reasonable. krad and forester should get 5+ years with all of Hard Legion players- coach used the bug in 200+ maps

200+? holy shit xD

2021-09-07 10:10

+1 couldn't have said it better. There's literally nothing in between: if esic don't hand out punishments then they lack the spine to acquit t1 orgs. We don't need a UN of csgo

2021-09-06 19:08

+111

2021-09-07 09:31

BAN THEM ALL AND DISQUALIFY THEM FROM EPL

why? some where not even in the team when it happened

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because s1mple_numba_wan knows better than ESIC

nt no scene #137

nt no flag

he has the flag of Europe wtf

2021-09-07 09:32

cause he doesn't want to show his country

2021-09-07 13:41

Ban all the 5 players who were playing at that time. I'm not saying ban refrezh or sjuush

I feel like half the news articles about cs these days are about matchfixing or cheating

The spectator exploit is pretty huge my man. Coaches got their bans but now it's round two, towards players recieving punishments - so this wont be the last time we hear about this...

2021-09-06 18:49

ESIC is in HEROIC'S pocket and this is all for show, prove me wrong otherwise and punish heroic. I doubt they will do anything tho, just look at the face of that esic commisioner- if he was an actor he would likely be playing the corrupt character

gg :(

cya in 10 xiters

Hunden just ratted out Heroic due to spite between them, and TBH, most likely another team that was aware of the camera bug cheated as well. It's just they weren't ratted out and haven't been involved in the controversy. Heroic must be cursing themselves for dealing with Hunden for all these controversies he brought and possibly another iBuypower at worst. LOL

2021-09-06 18:39

its their own fault tbh by how they acted

2021-09-07 10:08

Huge player ban incomming

Well, by the looks of it niko and TeSeS will be banned and Stavn, cadiaN and Refrezh are all fine? Lets wait for more info ofc. We dont know the full picture yet.

2021-09-06 18:43

Gambit winner of ESL Pro League Season 13. Clutch was nice af - but as it turns out xited. hltv.org/matches/2347028/gambit-vs-heroi.. Just kidding ESIC will just give slap on wrist.

imaging if heroic wins again Pro League, people still say xiters? no more hunden cam, grow up! if ur br stop talking nonsense

2021-09-06 18:44

lets gooo ban all xiters

I'm expecting so hard ESIC to ban Heroic from EPL S14.

Sad days for CSGO, CSGO-community, Heroic, and OG. Hopefully the case is proceeded carefully and the consequences will be fair.

Bye bye cheaters Hope not only the players but the org also get banned And niko kicked from OG

cant wait for news

Banhammer when Make sure it's both the org and the players

Danish cs crumbling. Soon Astralis cheating will leak. I know my neighbors, they are naughty little devils

Astralis are actually close to Being the only team NOT involve in any cheats

2021-09-06 22:27

Don't speak in absolutes. Problem is tho, if Heroic goes down. Where the fuck is Danish cs? That was ur last hope

2021-09-06 23:20

What are u talking about they are a consistent top 10 t team.. lots of talent around many teams with Danish players

2021-09-07 16:46

Lego-Knektar

2021-09-07 16:55

Rip ^^

nothing will happen btw

just ban them all... cheaters

too bad nothing will happen to the heroic org and its players considering that they brushed off hunden's allegations so quickly while being perfectly happy to open other cases for months with no progress to show for.

2021-09-06 19:13

This is what I think too. They will become an example because "they acted accordingly and respectfully in this case"

2021-09-06 19:51

they'll find a way to conclude this as staff negligence and fine the org a small fee

this would be such a huge disgrace to the "integrity" of the game, which they are preaching so hard ... "zero tolerance" would also have been a lie and that they're all just corrupt, just like in Vitality stream sniping case, even if not as severe as helping the coach to abuse coach bug remember, players also didn't want to give comms and no comment on media etc, gla1ve also asked cadiaN about this in October if there is no ban for the players and org, ESIC is the biggest joke of CSGO

2021-09-07 09:38

if they ban Heroic then ex-Hard Legion players should be banned 1st

2021-09-06 19:16

+1, but someone needs to leak evidence of that (e.g. server logs), which might not have been saved by their coach, as he might have wanted to keep a low profile and as few evidence connected to him (and the players) as possble. Smart Hunden kept some evidence .. "just in case"

2021-09-07 09:39

I thought Hunden was the esports watchdog

2021-09-06 19:18

Nah

Very cool :()

2021-09-06 19:33

I wonder if Heroic is trying to settle this with HUNDEN lmao

2021-09-06 19:48

Sad for Heroic, they looked so promising. The Next Big thing from Denmark turned out to be a bunch of cheating RATS. Why isnt anyone suggesting Heroic lose their Cologne 2020 title, which they won with HUNDEN?????? 100% cheated. Give trophy to Vitality....

2021-09-06 19:49

its valve's fault .. they build a game full of bugs

lmao no, it's still the players' and coaches' responsibility to not abuse those bugs in competitive environment

2021-09-07 09:41

2021-09-07 12:01

thats the dumbest take I have read here. thats like comparing it with doping in real sport and similar things

2021-09-07 10:05

ban all of them

2021-09-06 20:05

If ESIC banned everyone who cheated at one point, Eternal fire could very well win the major

2021-09-06 20:37

2021-09-06 20:38

kek +1

2021-09-07 18:10

why do they show a photo of the current Heroic lineup where as Refrezh and sjuush have nothing to do with what happened a year ago? small detail but I think it puts certain people into the spotlight because not everybody is familiar with what happened back then.

2021-09-06 21:01

Refresz is clean

2021-09-06 22:28

they did it once, they might have kept this "culture" in the team and both Refrezh and Sjuush are now familiar with what they do and how they try to get an advantage if they can, maybe bound by an NDA even

2021-09-07 09:42

I personally think there's no way for the players to not be involved when the coach was (and was even banned for it). If the outcome of the investigation is that they're guilty, these players and the Org should not get just a fine and/or warning. Ban them all, for 2 or 5 years or whatever. As for the point that if the players are banned then half the scene would get banned, even better. The CSGO place would be better without all the fucking scumbags who think they can cheat and abuse bugs and get away with it. Specially with the kind of money involved. Of course that's just me thinking as 1 individual. Although I don't agree with it, I can understand the larger scene in general (Organizers, Valve and I guess other large parties) coming to the conclusion that it would harm the overall scene too much and coming to 'some sort of agreement or understanding'.

I would agree with you tbh. The scene doesnt need so many teams as there are. If a few fall away because they cheated so be it. Rather a smaller scene where people are afraid of getting caught if they do something then a scene like this with tons of matchfixing and things like the akuma case and this coaching stuff

2021-09-07 10:03

A 2-year ban for the roster should be fair. They can still return after it, while a strong message is sent to discourage cheating.

2021-09-06 22:31

even 1 year is enough ngl

2021-09-06 22:36

take all the trophies these snakes won and other teams too. ban them before they take any more trophy too.

poor cadian cant have pace in cs scene

2021-09-07 02:05

Why would he drag down his team ?

2021-09-07 04:56

Heroic to vaLULrant

2021-09-07 06:50

Time to get heroic and cadian banned letss goooooo

2021-09-07 07:19

Lets see if there is any proof, but Im pretty damn sure that if there is not, Hunden can expect a million dollar lawsuit for slander.

2021-09-07 08:27

> "but the two parts of evidence he provided to back up his claims were only released on September 3 via TV2." i think those were "only two parts" from the whole amount Hunden submitted?

2021-09-07 09:05

Among the 30 coaches banned for using it, None of the players from any team knew it... Lol this is better than Walt Disney Fary tale.... Ofc every player knew it, they just did not implicate them because banning the whole scene would arm viewership, and decrease earnings for investors... $$$$$$$$$$

2021-09-07 09:50