Coaches warned against cheering on players at Major

29-10-2021 20:17

Teams were informed that enforcement of coach-player communication rules will be stricter during the Legends stage.

A Tweet from Danny "⁠zonic⁠" Sørensen made the rounds following the conclusion of the PGL Major Challengers Stage as the Astralis coach shared that he would not be able to cheer on the players starting tomorrow.

Teams were already informed that physical contact between coaches and players wasn't permitted at the event, but the latest update from the PGL admin team clarifies that shouting is also forbidden and that coaches that don't stay quiet will have to be removed from the tournament area.

HLTV.org confirmed that the directive is not coming from PGL, but Valve, who according to zonic want coaches to sit in the chair and only do something during tactical [timeouts]."

No more loud coach celebrations at the Major

Community reaction followed swiftly as coaches, players, and analysts criticized the newest instructions, with Katowice 2014 Major winner Wiktor "⁠TaZ⁠" Wojtas claiming that "emotions are what CS is all about". However, freelance Esports Referee Michal Slowinski speculated that the goal is most likely to maintain the integrity of the game and stop any sort of nefarious information sharing between the coach and the players, and a consequence of the coaching bug scandal in 2020.

While the news comes as a shock to many who are used to seeing coaches such as zonic, Nicholas "⁠guerri⁠" Nogueira, or Damien "⁠maLeK⁠" Marcel fist bump their players or loudly celebrate won rounds, Copenhagen Flames' Rasmus "⁠HooXi⁠" Nielsen noted that similar rules were in place from the start of the tournament.

A clip from BIG's game against MOUZ shows an awkward interaction between Johannes "⁠tabseN⁠" Wodarz and Nikola "⁠LEGIJA⁠" Ninić that implies that the German team was also aware of such rules, while Movistar Riders's Alejandro "⁠mopoz⁠" Fernández-Quejo Cano said that some coaches couldn't cheer from the first day of the PGL Stockholm Major.

The update from PGL Admin team reads as follows:

"Valve has instructed us to have stricter rules for coaches. NO touching the players except for timeout. NO shouting at all. Coaches can not even say "nice". They have to be quiet or we will have to tell coaches to leave the tournament area."

Stupid rule

2021-10-29 20:17

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This is a Liquid buff

2021-10-29 20:29

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I dont care. I like CSGO more than Liquid. And this is not good for CSGO

2021-10-29 20:55

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2021-10-29 21:59

OMEGALUL

lmao

2021-10-29 23:29

adreN is the new FNS

2021-10-30 00:04

sad as well

2021-10-29 21:03

stupid decision

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Poor coaches. They will get a tumor in their heads because of this. Imagine holding a strong emotion after winning an important round. Definetly not good for their health, and of course for the sake of esports.

2021-10-29 20:49

+1. It is always nice to see the emotions

2021-10-29 22:18

stupid

2021-10-29 20:18

This is actually sad

It is, but if someone will break that rule and will have to be carried out by security, it will be funny as hell. Can you imagine the drama? Can you imagine zonic being carried out? Ow boy...

2021-10-29 22:09

that would be so funny to watch Zonic do it XDDDDDD

2021-10-29 22:17

retard valve

cringe rule

valve are the enemy of it's own game

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+111

2021-10-29 20:47

2021-10-29 21:12

valve is like blizzard only they can kill their own games and they slowly doin it ^^

2021-10-29 22:04

We all have to bow down to the holy Valve gods and accept what ever commandments they send down from their mountain it the sky. They have all of our CS lifes in their hands and are just waiting to spill some blood if their see happy faces.

2021-10-31 19:32

VALVE 404 BRAIN NOT FOUND

2021-10-29 20:39

+9999999999 they're the worst.

+99999 well said

2021-10-29 21:04

+11111

2021-10-29 21:05

+1 Valve actually braindead

2021-10-29 21:13

Pog

That is really stupid

What?

volvo wat doink

2021-10-29 20:19

bad

"Coaches can not even say "nice" " this is fucking bullshit

omegalul

Expected

they act as if this is something they cannot control, but this is a deliberate decision that they are making. clearly everyone hates the rule, just change it?

2021-10-29 20:20

why does valve hate coaches so much xd

They expose their bugs may be that's why :D

2021-10-30 09:37

next update : smiling not allowed as it shows lack of respect towards enemy

Come on!

SECURITY! Take him out of here.

2021-10-29 20:23

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damn...

2021-10-29 20:27

Security kicking out coaches: youtube.com/watch?v=XVjexPksFd4&ab_chann..

2021-10-29 20:33

Friendly Fire

2021-10-29 20:31

that's so funny it's actually sad.

2021-10-29 20:48

Reported to jon e for making an alt Nt striker

Nt striker

2021-10-29 23:54

valve BRAIN 404?? typical valve

So fucking sad. Destroying the game

but why

RIP ASTRALIS

LOL

Nice job from Valve who knew about coaching bug and didnt fix it and now coaches who were not cheaters are getting punished? Ridiculous.

This

2021-10-29 20:36

fucking joke

sad for bishop Kappa

Remember in 1.6 when you couldnt talk when youre dead, but europeans just yelled info when they were dead like it was a swearword, but NA admins didnt know it?

Well, I would understand a rule which would not permit coach to talk during an unfinished round but once a round is concluded, let them show their emotions, let them fist bump their players. Banning any interaction between a player and a coach is utmost stupid.

exactly......braindead valve.

Now that's just bloody stupid.

Bro what

The new rule came as a devastating blow.

2021-10-29 20:21

what a joke...

Based

absurd! valve should sell cs to RIOT GAMES........

Coach = cheerleader

Volmegalulvo

Michal Slowinski is fckn boring ass loser

Hate his type of rule guys. If the rulebook told him to whip himself he'd probably do it.

2021-10-29 20:22

2021-10-29 21:14

He's just explaining it to everyone who asks why it's a thing. He didn't say he agreed with it or that it's a good ruling, just what the ruling means

2021-10-30 02:21

He didn't make the rule though and doesn't work at the event

Blame Hunden and every piece of shit coach who abused the coach bug.

Obviously, but valve never liked coaches. Also why say this now?

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because they started implementing rules like this in a response to the scandal itself

2021-10-29 22:47

Sorry, but that does not make any sense. Valve have made tons of stupid no good rules, for as long as there has been CS and never been approachable when there was real problems. Like the coach bug. And if you somehow are right and valve is doing this in response to their bug, then you should just hate them even more, as they don't have the balls to deal with the stupid cheaters and then lash out in anger with the worse rule ever in counter strike.

2021-10-31 19:51

no im sure that they were wanting to do this long before the scandal but the update where they responded to the scandal was the same one where they did what they did to the coaches

2021-11-01 16:41

Dude, this stupid rule does not prevent from some coach cheating. twitter.com/dev1ce/status/14541507820398.. Read through the twitter replies after you're done reading the actual tweet and tell me a rule like this prevents something. If this rule is supposed to be some cheating prevention it is laughable the least.

2021-10-29 20:56

I'd love to be surprised, but I'm not. What the fuck is valve smoking when it comes to cs?

sad

volvo what

Valve being retarded as usual

Daddy Valve is so unfair

I'm not sure what the point of this is? What's next? You aren't allowed to shoot enemies!

Valve ruining their own game as usual

HLTV Forgot Guerri is banned and isnt on the Major lol But still that sucks so much, it feels like we will never get past that coaching scandal and we will live with it forever instead of forgetting it, such a dumb rule. the coaching scandal was in ONLINE. this is on LAN with supervisors and staff all looking at you, this is so dumb

they mentioned him as an example of a coach who openly shows his emotions on stage like the other two

2021-10-29 20:26

I didn't say he would be at the event, just used him as an example that people could be familiar with "NAIIIIIIIIIIISEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

xDDDDD its funny that the word ''Nice'' has become so popular that literally everyone is using it, doesnt matter if the language is Portuguese or Chinese

The guerri ban is one of the most absurd decisions ive ever seen, he proved that he didnt used the bug, got suspended for some months and banned for 5 majors, valve is so pepega

2021-10-29 20:43

So fucking ridiculous

braindeads

welcome to valve korea

next rule: coaches can no longer talk during tactical timeouts ez

Imagine if a team gets denied a victory on a map because coach said NICE at the end of it :D

"but the latest update from the PGL admin team clarifies that shouting is also forbidden and that coaches that don't stay quiet will have to be removed from the tournament area." DOES IT SAY?? team gets denied a victory on a map because coach said something

where is this clip of legija & tabsen ?

Literally in the article.

2021-10-29 21:08

most retarded thing ever

Wtf is this Maybe not smiling also?

0iq

2021-10-29 20:24

twitter.com/boxrTailored/status/14541501..

embarrassing

wtf

It's sad when they rather kill the hype and passion of people who are actually making their game alive than to fix there code and prevent people from cheating. Sad

these stupid rules is just like they trying to kill the game

I get that they're paranoid about the coach cheating scandal, but c'mon, this is ridiculous

2021-10-29 20:25

"They have to be quiet or we will have to tell coaches to leave the tournament area." Are you fak you

coaches after being told to leave the arena for whispering "yes!" following their team winning the round: FAK

2021-10-29 20:30

terrible rule. taking the life out of the game

Just give it up Valve, you will never be able to kill CS. It's Just pathetic at this point.

feels badman

ridiculous

Wow, Valve f*cking up the game even more...Jesus christ.

2021-10-29 20:28

Why?

valve u gone die soon kekw

Valvr stop this shit

Any bets on who will be the first coach kicked from a match?

Easy, just look at the schedule on who's playing first lol.

2021-10-29 21:19

Thats terrible. So stupid

valve most dumb people ever fucking retards

VALVE STOOPID

rip cs

I understand yet I dont understand. at that point just put the coach in another room

What even is this rule. Part of a coach is to boost team spirit. Hard to even call them a coach anymore

Maybe volvo misunderstood when PGL said to them "Team Spirit was eliminated today"

2021-10-29 20:50

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA N1

2021-10-29 21:42

ahaha good one

2021-10-30 12:33

no coaches for the next major, mens

Good, ban coaches anywhere near players when they play

2021-10-29 20:32

Wtf BIGGEST LIQUID BUFF. LIQUID MAJOR WINNER 2021

And there goes kassad's whole career, but he's not gonna be at majors anymore anyway

Valve going full retard again :(

2021-10-29 20:37

Who tf enforces shit like this?

LMAO, F'IN CUCKS! CUCKED VALVE AND CUCKED PGL

Get rid of coaches altogether on stage.

2021-10-29 20:34

good i hate annoying coaches csgo was better before coaches involvement when igl was important.

True, CSGO was better when only IGLs could fist bump and say nice!!!!!!!!!!!!

2021-10-29 20:38

ex6 & pronax era!

youtube.com/watch?v=ex3T7jymyQk

2021-10-29 21:06

fucking absurd

2021-10-29 20:35

sponsors dont come if they see yelling kids "fuck yeah" ?????

Stupid valve

Lmao Valve delusional, nobody losing from coaches cheering, its very nice for viewership

Valve...

I could understand the rule about avoiding contact between coaches and players when they start playing in the arena but rn is completely idiot and absurd bullshit, they are in front of none. Valve is trying to make pay for coaching bug they didn't fix because they are fucking lazy

Can anyone tell me if it's the same in dota? I think coaches are also chilling in dota.

One of the reasons i love to watch LAN games is because of the emotions, putting heart on the sleeve and investing everything you got into the games. This is sad. Very very sad.....

Valve wants the coaches to be inanimate characters instead of persons who make the games more interesting thanks to their personalities, as happens with the players.

This sounds like a really dumb rule. Won't even try to sugercoat this. Just why?

So next rule gonna be what, not letting players fist pump?

2021-10-29 20:41

from hunden drama to this .. gj valve

So, did the International have these rules?

2021-10-29 20:44

absolutely abysmal ...

2021-10-29 20:45

Next thing will be that the fans cant cheer...

Cant believe this is a major, first the stream B would be on training room and now this. WTF Valve

If you ask me, the coaches should all stick together and agree to not accept this. I doubt PGL/valve will disqualify ALL the teams, this is just fucking sad! This is part of the game, what the hell?! Next step players won't be able to fist bump each other or give info, fuck you valve, just fuck you.

You play with a coach? It was never part of the game, untill burned out players needed to create new jobs for them.

so just completely rule out coaches, how is that related to anything?

2021-10-29 20:53

Valve never said anything about disqualifing teams, they said that the coach would be "kicked out" of the stage, if all coaches ignored valve at the end of the first round we would have no coaches at the major. Valve is smart even when they are dumb.

2021-10-29 20:54

so it should be a matter of the community as players and coaches as one. I can understand rules against coaches helping in-game obviously, but not allowed to say nice, like ffs.....

2021-10-29 20:57

I Agree the community as a whole has to protest against this, tbh i wouldnt mind if coaches were allowed to talk on the freeze time of every round, i just dont like the idea of them calling mid-round.

2021-10-29 21:01

What a bunch of bullshit

2021-10-29 20:46

Literally 1984

This is dumb. Imagine any other sport where coaches were gagged.

Tennis?

SHow me the mandate that coaches cannot celebrate.

2021-10-29 21:53

Chess.

2021-10-29 21:22

u can celebrate the win in the end rem chess is a one round game

2021-10-30 03:00

Well there is many sports, especially 1v1 sports where it is not allowed to yell anything from the coach bench unless timeouts or such. It is not as restrictive as this is in paper, but we will see how restrictive this in the end will be.

2021-10-30 03:46

pfff wtf valve

Probably put this rule in because of Hunden

n1 volvo... fuck outta here

COMMUNISMMMM!!!!

murican brain, what communism has to do with a dumb murican company making dumb rules?

huh?

2021-10-29 22:43

Nice = go A Niceeeeeeeeeeeee = go B

what about mid push?

2021-10-29 22:49

Lets go Nice = push mid

2021-10-30 03:01

Stupid as hell, how does one manages to invent so much bullshit??? WTF. If I were a coach, I'd prolly gather a bunch of coaches and protest, like wth is wrong with cheering?

2021-10-29 20:52

ok, valve is sooooooo fcking retarded

wtf is this?

> Coach bug volvo sleeping.... zzz.... > Coach saying nice at the major volvo big rage I understand that nice/good/yeah could be codenames but this shit is a bit too far. Let's just ban everything

2021-10-29 20:51

kkkkk

2021-10-29 21:10

what kind of fucking cringe shit rule is this

Prison

Refuse to play. Come together as a community with CSPPA and don’t join the servers. Valve obviously makes a ton of money off of majors so hit them in the pocket to keep the spirit of the game alive. Remove a coach if and when there is something suspect.

I agree, the community needs to protest against such stupid decisions.

doesn't work as long as ppl buy shittons of scammy cases and shit from valve, that's where the big money is beeing made.

2021-10-29 21:21

They want more players to have more bad games? More inconsistency?

Next one is: public must stay silent at all times or they will be removed from arena. What a stupid rule, my god.

CSGO becoming soft as the NFL

Major winning chance for Astralis has completely shattered now. They can win without device but they can't win without zonic's roars

Wait what

It's an odd ruling but this is great news for Liquid

this is ridiculous...

valve dogs

Clearly Valve is trying to keep Astralis robots on top. No emotions allowed.

valvelorant

"We don't even know why we do this, we just wanna make everyone's life harder" - Valve

"also... buy more cases"

wtf????

2021-10-29 20:58

Valve : Who doesn't care for the community, players , coaches but takes THE MOST SH*TTIEST DECISIONS. I can see the Beginning of the Ending .....

2021-10-29 21:00

I really hope that some day thatdisgusting company will sell CS to riot or smth

This is by far, the biggest bullsh*t i've witnessed in CSGO ... what the actual F ...

2021-10-29 21:02

Is malding also not allowed?

yes, only players are allowed to mald, coaches have to be statues.

2021-10-29 21:18

nice

Maybe to avoid Virus spread ? well why do I even try to understand

Disgusting regulations. Cant imagine a person who designed those rules is an esport fan.

that's the stupidest thing i ever read

Ok valve you fucked as usual. Riot please come and buy this game..

2021-10-29 21:07

at this point even EA would do better

What a stupid rule lmao

2021-10-29 21:09

PGL GAY

Read the post dumbass

2021-10-29 21:24

2021-10-29 21:28

I like how it took almost 2 decades for Valve to care about CS, and now they do dumb ass shit like this. Have they even seen other sports?

Sad:(

2021-10-29 21:11

Whoever from valve made this rule is braindead fr

A better solution would be to remove coaches all together during matches. It is dumb to let them stay there but basically cant do anything. IGL role will be more precious then (like valve wants). LoL has the same rules and it's ok I guess. Coaches can still talk to the teams between maps. Valve, if you want to kill coaches do it well at least...

Sooner or later the valve itself will kill them all! believe me, we can't laugh without making a sound!

I back valve 100% on this. Congratulions Gabe Newell

for real, what a shit policy by volvo... Yes some coaches fucked up the whole scene with their dumb cheating, but for fucks sake those coaches are banned for this major, why do you punish those who didn't do anything wrong?

2021-10-29 21:16

good decision by valve

2021-10-29 21:17

This is stupid....

no brain move...

2021-10-29 21:26

Valvo on some wack wack, wtf Jokasteve gonna do behind Liquid now :(

Tell them "you are winners, boys". Which they are.

2021-10-29 21:40

Then why the fuck allow the coaches on stage? This is just asking for trouble. Just put them in the practice room and only let them talk during timeouts. Didn't Valorant also do this?

What do you expect from 10 iq valve

2021-10-29 21:36

Not cool Gaben

2021-10-29 21:30

so basically the coach has now been made almost redundant.. let them shout let them cheer, let them have physical touch all these are ways that a coach can have a positive or negative influence on there team. retarded decision which i hope gets boycotted and all the coaches start screaming NICE and massaging there players for the whole round just to say F you to valve

2021-10-29 21:34

That’s so stupid lol. At a major event are the coaches not being watched by admins/referees/ whatever? Are people not monitoring their team speak at lan events? I’m confused as to how they could get away with anything by being able to cheer and fist bump

2021-10-29 21:39

This is the most stupid shit ive ever heard. This makes the revolver update sound like a smart update.

2021-10-29 21:55

Shouldn't have cheated lmfao. Based volvo strikes again

2021-10-29 21:56

You're one of those people who'd whip themselves if someone told you to

Valve never liked coaches, this is just the next step to slowly work them out of the game.

2021-10-29 21:57

Welcome to pure comunism

Hopefully Valve notice the backlash and revert the decision ASAP.

2021-10-29 21:58

2021-10-29 22:06

lol

to be fair in most sports player coach communication is completely unrestricted, hypothetically coaches could shout encouragement that seems random but could be a signal to their igl to do a strat or focus on a site or to switch to their backup gameplan or switch their default etc etc so if ur gonna restrict coach player communication as dumb as this seems it makes sense...

2021-10-29 22:15

People blaming Valve needs to be reminded that over THIRTY coaches were caught abusing a bug, some of them for as long as FOUR years. Sucks for the legit coaches like Zonic but that's life.

2021-10-29 22:20

way to go heroic

2021-10-29 22:31

I cant understand why they cant talk all the time otherwise they scouldnt be in the back at all.. 2 timeouts per 15 rounds what is the point of that in any other sport they can yell as much as they want… plz let them talk in game

2021-10-29 22:48

is astralis, they probably bought some strats, so PGL is trying to avoid cheating with this.

Next Valve are gonna say, players are not permitted to speak to each other. There will complete and utter silence throughout the tournament

2021-10-29 22:51

This is the dumbest thing ever

2021-10-29 22:55

whaaaat??

Rip VAMOS

2021-10-29 22:56

Valve care about the integrity of the game? - Don't ban Heroic from Major - Now max 5 years ban for cheating before pro - Don't fix Smoke Bug - Allow match-fixing - Shit useless Vac But when a coach screams "yeah" it harms the integrity of the game.

2021-10-29 22:57

what a joke

2021-10-29 23:01

wtffff

2021-10-29 23:07

Honestly very honorable actions by valve. They've seen all the scrutiny that PGL has come under for their coverage of the major over the past few days and they decided to take some of the heat off them by implementing some utterly incomprehensibly stupid soulless rule like this and sharing in the flack PGL is receiving. Valve is a truly stand up business partner and friend, I am moved.

valve showing us one more time that csgo is the unwanted son and just appear to collect the money and to ground it

2021-10-29 23:09

This is just ridiculous!

2021-10-29 23:12

Valve just ban coaches if you dont like them.

just take a shot coaches, like in Eqilibrium

2021-10-29 23:31

"A clip from BIG's game against MOUZ shows an awkward interaction between Johannes "⁠tabseN⁠" Wodarz and Nikola "⁠LEGIJA⁠" Ninić " anyone have that clip?

2021-10-29 23:40

It is literally in the article

2021-10-30 08:19

lol i'm blind, thanks

2021-10-30 14:47

nvm, liquid will play without a coach sheeeesh

2021-10-29 23:41

I don't like restriction as much as the next person but after a large group of coaches got caught cheating blatantly for years, I can't blame Valve for talking certain measures especially with the first Major in 2 years. Frankly, they need to earn back the trust from Valve. Valve relaxed the communication rules between coaches and players sufficiently in the past and they abused it. Now, Valve took it all back. So you can't say Valve is being a party pooper.

Volvo 0 iq?

2021-10-30 00:14

but why?

2021-10-30 00:19

politicians 🤮

2021-10-30 01:11

Valve will kill its own esport at this rate

2021-10-30 00:24

ok I'll not watch matches anymore

2021-10-30 00:30

These rulemakers are clowns

2021-10-30 00:32

I blame HUNDEN

2021-10-30 00:36

2021-10-30 08:18

While all the bannned coaches are the ones to blaim... Here all shit should be towards the ruler.. VALVE and their stupid rule

2021-10-30 08:41

No it are only HUNDEN fault

2021-10-30 16:08

FVCK VALVE

2021-10-30 00:58

-valve

2021-10-30 01:10

valve never cares about cs:go majors now they add stupid rule

2021-10-30 01:13

thanks to all the coaches who were using coach bug. about 37 coaches were catched on cheating ):

2021-10-30 11:09

The coaches should all stick together and leave the player area even before the game starts as a protests. Why would you even use this energy to make a rule as retarded as useless as this. Absolute retards holy sh*t

2021-10-30 01:50

this is a yikes from me, valve.

2021-10-30 01:56

What the fuck do you want them to do?

2021-10-30 02:50

So Why exist coach???

2021-10-30 03:59

How coaches could get info anyways? They are just standing behind

2021-10-30 08:17

Valve wanna to close valve of ears but they can't so they did this!

2021-10-30 08:34

TABSEN DENIED KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

2021-10-30 08:36

Wtf, that is fucked up....

2021-10-30 11:36

wtf is this, they cant be serious with this, can they?

2021-10-30 12:20

In Denmark we have this saying "Killing sparrows with cannons" This is exactly what happens right now. It might be a safety switch, but it costs a lot of ammo. IE, it becomes less entertaining. Pro CS.GO is an entertainment industry above everything else. That's why they are able to live of it. Silly Silly Silly.

2021-10-30 13:26

2021-10-30 14:58

Jesus what a stupid rule. Teams should hold together and ignore it on mutual agreement.

2021-10-30 16:04

+111111

2021-10-30 16:09

Some straight garbage rule.

2021-10-30 16:15

A coach can carry a hidden device(like moresecode shoes or some bluetooth hearing device) and can very well get realtime information from outside which can be conveyed to the players that will give them an unfair advantage. This is a great rule, anyone who hates this can go and cry since it's free :)

2021-10-31 01:41