apEX: "I told ZywOo, if he's not there we're not going to qualify"

31-10-2021 17:56

Vitality's in-game leader spoke about the issues the Frenchmen have been facing so far at PGL Major Stockholm as they find themselves in the 1-2 pool heading into day three.

It hasn't been a pretty showing from Vitality so far at PGL Major Stockholm, as they went down to the elimination series following the first day of action and faced issues early on in the do-or-die match against Evil Geniuses, conceding the opening map before putting their foot down.

After the first three rounds, we had the chance to talk to one of the veterans of the roster, Dan "⁠apEX⁠" Madesclaire, to find out what has been going on with the French team so far in Sweden.

The captain explained that it hasn't been easy getting his two rookies to get over their Major jitters and that Mathieu "⁠ZywOo⁠" Herbaut was also far from his usual form in the opening two rounds, in which Vitality suffered close losses to Virtus.pro and HEROIC.

With two rookie guys, you don't know what to expect

Dan "⁠apEX⁠" Madesclaire

"With two rookie guys, you don't know what to expect," apEX said. "And that wasn't the ZywOo we know the first two games, and I told him, I was completely honest, if he's not there we're not gonna qualify."

The No. 1 player of the last two years looked in better shape in Vitality's latest match against Evil Geniuses but is still yet to hit his peak level, something Vitality need if they wish to qualify for the playoffs, as apEX himself pointed out.

Make sure to watch the full interview to get the full scope of the 28-year-old's thoughts on his team's disappointing run so far and what they need to get back on their feet in time for the next round, where opponents such as Liquid, Astralis, and FaZe await.

I told him that to, lets gooooo

2021-10-31 17:57

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Apex malding nothing new

2021-10-31 18:00

so once again putting all the pressure on zywoo while the rest of the team does nothing

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It's gonna be forever like that with this lineup

2021-10-31 18:02

Actually, Vitality doesn't set ZywOo up nearly as much as they used to in 2019. They actually should do that again. ZywOo is still the star player and he's setup now and then, but they need to do it more. Play to your strengths, Vitality. Also, rest of the team did a lot today. Misutta was stellar, and shox found a lot of impact as well. 1 player can't win, no matter how good he is.

2021-10-31 18:04

oh so star players shouldn't feel any pressure understood

2021-10-31 18:52

lmao he didn't say that,

2021-10-31 18:56

another expert that doesn't watch the games and just throw up what they think looks smart

2021-10-31 23:43

apEX's strat for the Major: "ZywOo, go kill".

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you didnt understand anything

2021-10-31 18:21

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You're right, I should have corrected it to "apEX's strat since 2020".

2021-10-31 18:29

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You still haven't shown that you understand anything. It's not as easy or simple as "ZywOo go kill".

2021-10-31 18:40

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It's an oversimplification of a very true reality of where Vitality relies too much on the performance of one player. So no, try again.

2021-10-31 18:43

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This was basically Zeus's strat in 2018 as well (that's where the "s1mple go kill" meme comes from). It worked. Misutta just needs to perform even better. Otherwise, hardly any difference between this Vitality and 2018 Navi. Navi also had 2 of 30 years old players, and flamie = kyojin.

2021-10-31 18:46

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No actually Zywoo was sometimes at the bottom of the scoreboard. Every t1 team have an impactful player. But there is the thing: If the star player doesn't shine he's bad; if he does then the team "releases to much on him"

2021-10-31 18:58

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+1 Agreed. ZywOo needs to find his form from last 2 events. Misutta has been pretty good, he just needs more experience. He's getting better and better. About the last statement, agreed. That's a double-edged sword. If you make an investment into one entity, you expect that entity to deliver. If it doesn't happen, people get mad. This doesn't work anyway, because that's too much pressure on 1 player. If he's performing average, the entire team suffers, which increases the pressure even more. That's why Navi crumbled in Faceit 2018 Major Final.

2021-10-31 19:03

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I agree but Vitality don't put everything on zywoo. XQTZZ said it (mainly on french interview sadly) But when others teams have a star player and when your player is actually doing a chilly game; obviously you will lose. Like zywoo is making the top of the scoreboard but other players are making the decisive kills

2021-10-31 19:20

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+1 Agreed.

2021-10-31 19:22

That's BS. They can say whatever they want but without ZywOo putting on godtier performances they are worth nothing. Maybe it's time they actually acknowledge it and put him in the best conditions. We are seeing the proof of this right now btw, with ZywOo not putting 1.45 average ratings they lost their first two matches struggled to the max to beat an awful EG team. Former Astralis ( with devve ), NaVi, G2 are nowhere near as reliant on their star because the other players are actually top tier too.

2021-10-31 19:37

Flamie was actually a decent player in 2018 (something like shox rn), he had a lot of good rounds sometimes. The difference is that navi beat everyone in the groups except for the unbeatable astralis roster at Faceit London major and made it to the finals. Zywoo will be happy to even make it to the top 8 with vitality this year

2021-10-31 19:00

Flamie was never as good as shox. shox is and has alwags been cerebral, huge brains, perfect plays. Great at anchoring, flanking, and clutches. Flamie was all-aim, no brain, no gamesense. The only difference between 2018 and 2021 Flamie is that he even lost his aim, becoming a total liability.

2021-10-31 19:09

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Shox might have a brain but from i see he doesn't use it much, If he had used it maybe vitality wouldn´t have lost to literally everyone except for tier3 EG xd

The change between apex and Alex isn’t noticeable same strat

2021-10-31 19:11

This time is in French!

2021-10-31 20:10

alex called in french on vitality

2021-10-31 20:48

1 man army

no it's an army with a giant cannon that needs to be working in order to win battles

2021-10-31 18:01

If zywho not gonna have life time game and dont gonna drop 30 kills every game vitality go home

2021-10-31 18:09

Sadly this is the truth. He has no electronic or b1t to relieve him of some pressure when he has an average day. They should start looking at themselves in a mirror and ask themselves what they can do to help him. Levelling up might be a good start, because ZywOo clearly looked fed up with hardcarrying them at this point...

2021-10-31 19:32

2021-10-31 19:25

nice strat by apex zywoo go kill

and they very laughing on Zeus' "s1mple go kill" strat

Imagine strugglint vs Eg kekw

no shit zywoo is the only thing that is keeping vitality alive

zywoo>s1mple

Baitwoo?

Apex based

2021-10-31 17:59

LOL @ apEX: "I told ZywOo, if he's not there we're not going to qualify" Ahahaha, apEX, you need to tell that to yourself my man :)

hahah, u retarded? apex best vitality player on this major ....

+1 Apex want to say: Zywoo needs to step up like he did before. Zywoo isn't showing impact game in major so they are loosing. But, they need to setup for zywoo if they want activate zywoo.

2021-10-31 18:57

translation might be " ZywOo you need to put 1.40+ rating on a consistent basis for us to have any chance against top 10 teams "

2021-10-31 19:30

+1 He's doing a lot people are so unfair towards him

2021-10-31 18:59

Good strat Nice IGL What a professional

Apex understand what Zywoo needs to do lol

then apex should stop baiting him LOL U

"zywoo go kill" maldpex

apex knows that he's terrible, his team is terrible, and that they're ruining zywoo's career

If he knew, ZywOo wouldn't have to play Galil when the others have four AKs

2021-10-31 18:03

They aren't even setting up their megastar properly... This team is hopeless

+1 and he's not put in the best positions also with sometimes shox playing awp over him... a total shitshow

I saw apex with a scout and zywoo on a glock. Apex missed like 10 shots. Zywoo finally gets it. Hits his shot but got run down

2021-11-02 07:01

basically the strat was zywoo go kill

misutaa gonna be "rookie" for 2 years?

xdddddddddddddddd

Vitality is his first pro team, he joined after ALEX left, what is your point? He didn't play any big LANs with crowds, he is a rookie.

2021-10-31 18:06

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

2021-10-31 18:18

Pro IGL

to be fair atleast apEX is saying it how it is, he admitted Kyojin is shit at playing certain positions

LMAO

lmao stop putting everything on his back, imagine the pressure zywoo has in carrying 3 bots

Ok so this is zywoo fault

Lol , reminds me of Alex's interview where he said they do all the work and set Zywoo to take the kills.

Zywoo plays with the worst weapon every round and bait for his team, thats the difference

2021-10-31 18:20

retard much? its a team game idiot stop making 1 player take responsibility y´all need to step up

ZywOo go kill, or we are fucked lul No pressure there at all :)

2021-10-31 18:05

haven't watched, but i'll just say before and correct myself after: that is actually such a whack thing to say and expect, zywoos been god tier since he broke out carrying all of their asses in all of these lineups thru hell and back. this year he's only dropped off from top 1 to like top 5ish, STILL A TOP 5 PLAYER!!! AND YOU'RE PUTTING THE PRESSURE ON HIM???? KYOJINS BEEN LOSING YOU GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe YOU and the OTHERS NEED TO STEP IT UP!!

During last game he was not playing as his notmal level. So yes he's not a kid: he know what he have to do

2021-10-31 19:01

Not only during the last game, more like for a few weeks now. But their first two BO1 might be his worst back to back maps since he joined so something looks fishy here... Could he be "sandbagging" because he isn't happy with his mates performances to force some roster changes ? He looks like he is tired powerlifting their arses to the highest level, or maybe he is even frustated that they can win a BO3 if he isn't dropping 1.40+ rating ?

2021-10-31 19:29

I effing don't know why they put Le Tank to retirement to bring this joke of a player and former cheat. Really not worth it, and clearly not an upgrade.

It's true

2021-10-31 18:07

Most of you are so stupid, that you think Apex is putting pressure on zywhoo, while he is actually making sure he steps up. Shox and Apex can't win these games without him. Kyo and Misutaa will make mistakes, if zywhoo is not there either, they are doomed. Not about putting pressure on him, it's just reality of their team atm.

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+1 thx god someone with more than 60iq btw misutaaa is playing well the thing is zywoo is clearly underperforming

2021-10-31 19:02

Something seems off with him. I've have the feeling he might not be trying his hardest lately ( internal issues ? ) and that apEX rant kinda confirms it to me. It's like a " You have to try you hardest " said via media but putting the forms, if you can read between the lines.

2021-10-31 19:24

yeah either family issues or internal issues seem likely to me. Whenever one of the two happened in the past, zywoo played worse

2021-10-31 19:34

There is most likely something, his performance and even more concerning his attitude ( no motivation, close to no smiling etc.) seems totally uncharacteristic to me

2021-10-31 19:39

During the game with EG it seemed like he had more fun so maybe there is some hope to see some more vitality games at the major

2021-10-31 20:45

Of course they wont, not with kyojin and misutaa atleast

apex made lot of progress in his way of playing, he is way more impactfull, also zywoo never have pressure he said.. playing final lan or his bedroom is the same so i gess it was positive for zywoo

2021-10-31 18:12

and he wasn’t there

2021-10-31 18:10

at least he realizes that zywoo has to 1v9 for them to be a good team

Perfecto & b1t have less experience than misutaaa and Kyjin and they are destroying teams left & right. You just recruited the worst french player available thinking you could find the new ZywOo cause he had good highlights. Fact is he never played in a team and is years away of being a good player. Can you imagine a top3 team like Astralis or NaVi recruiting d0cc 2 years ago cause he had good aim and some highlights? Lol these guys are so funny. You gambled, you lost. Sorry

Less experience than Kyojin ? LOL How could they... He's litterally a t3 pugger... Anyway noone in the french CS community understood why they picked him. There were way better options. He needs to get kicked asap, he has nothing to do here. misutaa is a bit different, he has good aim, but need to improve his consistency. But clearly they won't match NaVi with a full french LU as far as teammates go, as there are no combination of french players that can rival NaVi's roster unless MAYBE they could pick the 4 very best french players atm (won't happen as they are all signed), and even then they would have no team play. People tends to forget electronic has been a top 5 player for like 3 years in a row. B1t is a great prospect and Perfecto is way underrated, a great clutcher too.

malding much apex?

2021-10-31 18:16

zywoo in mind - we won't even if I'm there coz rest 4 are bots including you.

2021-10-31 18:17

Hahahha nice team "If you don't get 1.3+ rating we don't even qualify to major playoffs" Xi Wu please leave this team

2021-10-31 18:19

literally the tactic: "Zywoo go kill!"

2021-10-31 18:22

If you tell him that, you gonna tilt him he sounds like classic faceit player

In other words: "Hey bro i'm a fucking bot. if you are not gonna carry me, we won't qualify."

2021-10-31 18:31

Nice IGL BTW, put all the pressure on one player instead of coming together as a team to see what can be done rather than everyone playing like shit

2021-10-31 18:32

+1 xd

2021-10-31 18:33

He is the star player, he has to take his duties and try to find more kills and not wait for the calls of shox and Apex. He was quitte passive during the first games of the major but he will step up hopefully

2021-10-31 23:00

Good team play lol literally "zywoo go kill"

2021-10-31 18:45

Apex LOVES putting pressure on his teammates even when his own performance ain't anything special. "BUT IM IGL BRO". No. Look at other Igl's such as Hampus, they can all frag better than you. Stop clowning your teammates and worry about your own performance.

Well at least he is honest about it

lul

pro igl, "zywoo go kill and carry us"

2021-10-31 18:47

At first i through that this is some bait thread lol

2021-10-31 18:49

Atleast s1mple had electronic who back then quite was reliable as a top rifler. ZywOo has nobody. misutaa and shox are VERY inconsistent and cannot be relied on to be another consistent fragger. Kyojin amateur pugger. maldpEX will always mald.

2021-10-31 18:55

Yep, he looks tired of hardcarrying them. Definitely not in his usual place mentally, almost no smiling, worst back to back performances of his career ratio wise in the first two BO1. I hope he regroups and gains in power as BO3 pass but they now will have to face Astralis on a BO3 tomorrow which on EZ if they aren't not levelling up.

2021-10-31 19:17

They aren't even setting him up to perform. ZywOo should just move to G2.

Who should he replace you think? Amanek?

g2 won't go back to having 5 french players

2021-10-31 19:08

Who said to go back full french ? Can you imagine a NiKo huNter nexa ZywOo AmaNEk/JaCkz lineup ? They would be unbeatable with an awp of ZywOo's caliber

2021-10-31 19:15

zywoo can't speak english

2021-10-31 19:58

He can speak basic cs english, it shouldn't be a problem. But he will stay in Vita anyway

2021-10-31 23:01

u cant say that wtf

2021-10-31 19:06

Something looks off with ZywOo, he looks tired of carrying the team and looks like he doesn't try his best as he usually does... Even his judging by his body laguange, he seems uncomfortable. Wonder if there are some internal issues/conflicts ( roles ? ) in Vita or if some roster changes have already been acted...

2021-10-31 19:14

oh boy, thats gonna be tough match tommorow

2021-10-31 19:19

does anyone have the clip of him malding? i seriously can't find it.

2021-10-31 19:27

ZywOo looked off for a few weeks now. But their first two BO1 might be his worst back to back maps since he joined so something looks fishy here... Could he be "sandbagging" because he isn't happy with his mates performances to force some roster changes ? He looks like he is tired powerlifting their arses to the highest level, or maybe he is even frustated that they can win a BO3 if he isn't dropping 1.40+ rating ?

I mean they ain't even trying to set him up like he's the sole carry if apex is gonna admit it why aren't you putting more emphasis on setting him up to win every round makes no sense maybe that's why he's tilted, told to do more but not being setup like he was when he was carrying them.

2021-10-31 20:16

+1 But it's been a while since he hasn't been set up properly, this madness started in 2020. Looks like it's a way for some of his mates who are borderline paycheck stealers to justify their salaries and importance... :x

2021-11-01 08:25

Maybe, as an IGL, put him in the best situations/positions and you can expect ZywOo to carry but you are not even doing that shitpex

2021-10-31 20:00

Exactly

2021-10-31 20:17

If he does that Kyojin and Misutaaa will never step up. Misutaaa is getting better and better, and Kyojin will do the same if they continue. ZywOo has proven that he doesn't need to be set up, he can entry, do everything. + if he is set up people will start to say that it is too easy for him, he has the best positions.. people are always complaining

2021-10-31 23:03

Yeah, so let's continue that trend, it's been working really well lately... Who cares about what people ( haters would be more appropriate ) say ? That's because the aforementionned players can't step up that Vitality is at this point. Reality is catching them back, and they are doing really bad for their standards right now, so sounds like they chose a really clever strategy for the first major in two years *facepalm*

2021-11-01 08:30

APEX crying about 2 rookies while CPH is destroying everyone with the same "experience"

2021-10-31 20:06

CPH has no experience at all, Vitality has 2 major winners.

2021-10-31 20:08

yeah thats what I mean, CPH have the experience of these 2 rookies and still win

2021-10-31 20:23

well, roej almost has experience. He was the worst player on the Mad Lions team that destroyed mibr so hard at flashpoint that they disbanded

2021-11-01 05:21

As if he didn't know that already

2021-10-31 20:38

Anime team lmao Maybe stop Malding next time apex Do some work as a team not everytime zywoo will do things alone or maybe next time dont use and throw players You did dirty to nivera , its unlucky he shared the same fate as scream , and cus of the french cs scene GG You win major as a team Perfect example faceit major finals 2018

2021-10-31 21:50

I want ZywOo to step up and us to get navi vs vitality in major finals!

2021-10-31 22:53

-apex +manny machado

2021-11-01 05:19

zywoo to g2 confirmed POG

2021-11-01 05:24

People over simplify this and take it out context to make Apex sound bad because of malding Rep. This is legit leadership, He's being honest both with media and his team/players, He wasn't saying Zywoo go kill or talking about tactics at all, he was calling Zywoo out for slacking and telling him to wake the fuck the up his team needs him and holding him accountable for slacking at an important time like he would any other player. Mad respect for this move as an IGL.

2021-11-01 05:29