Carlos on ambitions for G2: "I don't give a f**k about being top three, I want to win Majors"

The founding CEO of G2 joined the latest episode of 'HLTV Confirmed' to give unique insight on operating a Counter-Strike team.

G2 made some of the most explosive moves of the off-season, picking up one of the best coaches in the world, a highly-touted superstar AWPer in the making, and a new IGL. Despite a 2021 that many teams would call a success, it wasn't enough for the ambitions of G2 and their owner.

CEO of G2 Carlos "ocelote" Rodríguez Santiago appeared on Tuesday as a guest on the HLTV Confirmed podcast and discussed his thought process behind building rosters, his opinions on the specific moves that G2 have made and much more.

"I deployed that thought process, the two principles that I follow: Either I trust the support staff, and we build an actual team, or I don't trust the support staff, and I build it myself with names." Carlos said of his approach to building the CS rosters of G2's past, before going on to talk about the 2021 roster.

"The problems we thought we had to not be number one were AWPing and calling in general. Not only calling in-game, but the preparation in scrims to learn how to play the game and call in officials. I think those two things needed to change, and the team we have is the result of what we think are the solutions to those problems."

He emphasised his ambition when putting together rosters, specifically his desire to make other top players regret not joining G2 in true Carlos fashion: "I don't want to beg for s1mple to get bored in NAVI for me to buy him, I want to build my team and kick his ass. I want s1mple to blame himself for not having joined G2."

Carlos gave insight into the building of G2's new roster

Carlos went on to speak about some of the moves G2 made for 2022, starting with Damien "⁠maLeK⁠" Marcel: "Everyone loves maLeK in G2, anybody that worked with him. Sometimes, even very capable and incredibly good coaches just don’t fit the system you want to follow…. it's much harder to change five players or four players than it is to change a coach."

Of course, that meant he also spoke about the incoming Rémy "⁠XTQZZZ⁠" Quoniam: "He is very good in the mental department, and very good in the technical department as well. Most importantly, he makes himself respected through his demeanour, he is actually someone that when he speaks, you listen."

Carlos was also glowing in his praise for new signing Ilya "⁠m0NESY⁠" Osipov: "I was watching a scrim against a top team and he dropped 41 frags. The first thing he does, he says to XTQZZZ that they need to walk through the demo together because he feels like there is so much that he can improve on… he has a perfect mindset man, I think this guy will succeed regardless, it's a matter of time."

Other topics touched on in the podcast include the Aleksi "⁠Aleksib⁠" Virolainen and Nemanja "⁠nexa⁠" Isaković swap, the potential for Robin "⁠ropz⁠" Kool to have joined G2, VALORANT as a game compared to Counter-Strike, and more.

Serbia Nemanja 'nexa' Isaković
Nemanja 'nexa' Isaković
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1200
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.63
Estonia Robin 'ropz' Kool
Robin 'ropz' Kool
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1035
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.62
Finland Aleksi 'Aleksib' Virolainen
Aleksi 'Aleksib' Virolainen
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
957
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.65
Russia Ilya 'm0NESY' Osipov
Ilya 'm0NESY' Osipov
Age:
16
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.22
Maps played:
180
KPR:
0.81
DPR:
0.61
France Rémy 'XTQZZZ' Quoniam
Rémy 'XTQZZZ' Quoniam
Age:
33
Team:
they will win
2022-02-02 20:04
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10 replies
probably yes
2022-02-02 20:05
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2 replies
niko doesn't win majors, so that's gonna be hard
2022-02-02 20:56
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#118
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Brazil drydden
Everyone said that about s1mple, and yet here we are
2022-02-03 00:44
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#5
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Poland Roxin
No they wont
2022-02-02 20:05
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#6
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Zimbabwe KennyKEX
No s0mple for the win man
2022-02-02 20:05
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i hope so
2022-02-02 20:30
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only if disband the actual team + last dance So they will win ESL Rio Major 2022 xDD
2022-02-02 20:40
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#150
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Australia frogskate
not qualifying
2022-02-03 14:03
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nope
2022-02-02 21:04
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Yes
2022-02-03 05:07
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ok
2022-02-02 20:05
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Respect to CarlosR aka ocelote
2022-02-02 20:05
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#54
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Serbia Dus4n
Chad.
2022-02-02 20:30
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#7
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Germany AngiMerkel
nice
2022-02-02 20:05
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EZ FOR G2
2022-02-02 20:05
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#9
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Turkey CAVCAv
I cannot be the only one who doesnt like carlos. Too cocky.
2022-02-02 20:06
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28 replies
I'm pretty neutral about him. He just say out loud what most CEO or players are thinking.
2022-02-02 20:09
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#33
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Turkey CAVCAv
Thats Kind of the definition of a cocky person.
2022-02-02 20:15
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6 replies
Tbh, I don't know if you even like him and I don't want to sound like "flair check out" , but Xantares is a bit cocky too. Woxic sounds very often like an asshole. For me, you have to be cocky to think you're the better player.
2022-02-02 20:21
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#59
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Turkey CAVCAv
Yeah but that doesnt necessarly mean you have to say it out loud. Btw I dont like neither of them.
2022-02-02 20:32
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I agree, anyway i think it is more for the show, I don't think he is a free spoken person. #40
2022-02-02 20:44
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you don't like carlos, xantares and woxic must be make a very big impact in their life, salute
2022-02-03 08:48
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#141
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Turkey CAVCAv
I am not a hating person, I kept my respect for 12 years in this website to all players. I obviously know they don't care whether people like them or not...
2022-02-03 09:10
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but what he says is kinda correct...yea his delivery is not the most diplomatic delivery but he's right in what he says most of the time......at least he is not the kinda person who just says shit but doesn't deliver...
2022-02-02 20:48
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He was never likeable, also during his pro-career in League of Legends. The man is very cringe.
2022-02-02 20:11
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i dont follow lol, why was he not likable in his pro-career
2022-02-02 20:22
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Always very arrogant, and he thought that he was the funniest and most likeable man alive. He didn't know how to be humble, not on scene or on stream. All this together don't make a person likeable.
2022-02-02 20:29
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i dont know much about him as a pro in league but i do remember him being pretty humble after being backdoored by xpeke
2022-02-02 20:31
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Lmao, or by Froggen. Those three, I remember.
2022-02-02 20:33
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#69
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Turkey CAVCAv
Dont remember froggen one, what happened
2022-02-02 20:36
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To me he appears more like it's his brand mark to be like that, like he's forcing. I'm sure he understands he comes across like a cocky person but it seems like it's purposeful. Some people just likes that kind of attitude too I suppose especially in this ever growing "snowflake" environment that's happening all around the world where you have to protect everyone against everything without room for personal reflection. Without getting too deep into politics I think that's a big reason Trump was that popular as he was.
2022-02-02 20:43
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+1. He avoid to go deep into the subject with this cocky attitude. He was pretty silent about the saudi deal or the nexa removal. I think it is more for the show than anything else.
2022-02-02 21:09
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but he spoke out on both occasions no? like with Saudi deal he likened it to F1 and said I'd rather get their money and spend it on female league than not get it and leave them be in their middle age paradigm forever and with nexa he said himself, he's impatient for results and he felt like nexa wasn't the right piece (granted he tried to downplay it but I think that's because he didn't want to tarnish nexa's reputation as IGL) and nexa himself complained about "lack of structure" but a good IGL instills a structure by himself, be it gla1ve or karrigan or even Aleksib, I don't think they come to a team and ask "so what's the structure?" - they make structure together with the coach if anything, I started to really like G2 org for this no-bs attitude
2022-02-03 08:18
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You're right. He took his time but in my head he avoids the subject. He doesn't take the fans for idiots, which I like. Hes given a show, it is fun. I'm pretty neutral about that. Ppl act like pro players are not cocky. He speak out loud lwhat most of ceo or players think. He can be annoying, acting but funny at the same time.
2022-02-03 13:37
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humble people are boring there are enough humble people in the world like Messi boring personality
2022-02-03 18:15
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For #9 or #49 "reasons", which to me sound so childish. To explain myself better and give a little insight, Carlos has always had an aura of "uncancelable" and 0 f*cks given while always having fun and being confident, this a priori is a personality that should not affect anyone, but psychologically it can make others vulnerable. When you can't attack someone who's always laughing at himself, people resort to criticizing their way the are. I remember at the beginning and his streamer days, ocelote was hated in the Spanish community for reasons purely motivated by envy, jealousy, frustration or complexes... And those were his own compatriots. A person who always said he'd reach the top and ended up reaching it. Imo his personality clashes with those who feel insecure with themselves. In the early G2 days when he started founding his org...you could see a lot of comments hating it, mocking it and saying it'd fail
2022-02-02 21:07
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Ps He's also a showman, I mean, some people do really take LoL rivalries (or any banter rivalry for that matter) as real life worst enemies and will think they know what's inside everyone's minds based on some clips or something People are soft."Carlos is arrogant" type of criticism is something you'd read in a YouTube comment section 10 years ago and I'm surprised it's still being used xD Doflamingo. Let people be: youtu.be/rdUmSQ4exWc (Can't post links) #94 (reply limit) oof the horror, he said mean word!! It was with perkz whom they failed to qual with to LCS until they replaced him with Eika and ocelote became coach. He was one of the best mids in Eu def, but I meant on top of the industry. And yeah, you don't have to remind me about parasocial behaviors towards players x)
2022-02-02 21:21
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#94
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Slovakia diviak
He was hated because he was toxic, he wished players death and cancer on the regular, this was not so uncommon in high elo, but he was pro and one of most toxic ones. He was so toxic riot made video with him about reforming and not flaming anymore, which ofcourse didnt happen and people made fun of him for that. youtu.be/CHxwC2a0Hc4 In league he never reached top, he was always worse than Alex Ich, Froggen and xPeke. G2 in the beggining was failure, didnt manage to qualify for LCS many times and only when he swapped himself for Perkz they succeeded. Ocelote was very unlikeable and it has nothing to do with envy or jealously, other much more succesful players were loved universally
2022-02-02 21:15
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well he's doing just fine managing g2 apparently.
2022-02-05 16:13
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it fits him
2022-02-02 20:13
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yeah, pretty unlikeable person for me too judging by interview
2022-02-02 20:33
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He didn't sound cocky at all, I think he is a perfect fit between not being a bitch and being controversial. He know what to say and when to stop. People are just used to boring as fuck personalities so carlos is too cocky for them.
2022-02-02 20:36
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#75
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Serbia Alexlly
+1 me also, i don't like this attitude at all
2022-02-02 20:43
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I personally love that attitude and it fits him well, kinda like your fav villain He's used to be disliked for that reason, so it reinforces that. But, when you meet him in person or watch him in a more loosen environment he's the nicest guy there is for real. Kinda like someone that'll tell you he'll eat your family alive in front of everyone but at the same time will pay your wages behind the scenes. Not saying it's better or worse but it's fun in contrast
2022-02-02 21:03
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not when sh1ro is playing
2022-02-02 20:06
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#11
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Poland fslexcduck
Keep dreaming, Carlos. One is not enough for NaVi.
2022-02-02 20:07
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2 replies
#46
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Sweden Smauxx
But Brnz4n is enough.
2022-02-02 20:25
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1 reply
Let's see that performance in a Grand Final on LAN, and then talk about.
2022-02-03 00:59
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he just dont give a fuck
2022-02-02 20:07
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#13
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France marponche
Except that you'll never win a major cause you dont know how to build a good csgo team.
2022-02-02 20:07
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#20
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Argentina xpl0d3
You should teach him
2022-02-02 20:10
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18 replies
#21
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France marponche
I don't give advices for free.
2022-02-02 20:10
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17 replies
If you were ever to give advice to someone, I hope you will pay them in advance.
2022-02-02 20:11
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16 replies
#28
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France marponche
Stay salty.
2022-02-02 20:12
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15 replies
#38
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Portugal OwnedBro
The only salty here is you xD
2022-02-02 20:18
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What a hypocrite you are based on what you said #13
2022-02-02 20:18
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#42
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France marponche
I know you all love carlos funny clown etc but what are the results for the money invested? So #13 is more realistic than salty.
2022-02-02 20:21
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12 replies
What the hell are you talking about? See #24, idiot.
2022-02-02 20:27
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#50
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France marponche
He clearly needs advices on how to build good csgo teams it's undeniable but you decided to cherry pick on me for no reason loser.
2022-02-02 20:29
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10 replies
And you took the bait. Jokes on you.
2022-02-02 20:30
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9 replies
#55
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France marponche
I'm very sensible, yes!
2022-02-02 20:30
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8 replies
That's fair, bro. Wishing you a nice evening.
2022-02-02 20:31
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7 replies
#58
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France marponche
You too man.
2022-02-02 20:31
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6 replies
Thanks!
2022-02-02 20:33
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#62
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France marponche
No problem! (I'll be the last to reply)
2022-02-02 20:33
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4 replies
(Ok)
2022-02-02 20:34
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#65
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France marponche
(ok fine I let you have it)
2022-02-02 20:34
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2 replies
(thank you)
2022-02-02 20:34
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#113
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France marponche
(no problem dude)
2022-02-02 23:11
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+1
2022-02-03 02:34
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*3 minutes later* losing major grand final to Heroic
2022-02-02 20:07
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Fair enough I guess. Great way to demotivate your players and staff.
2022-02-02 20:07
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6 replies
huh? if you dont want to win what is the point of being in sports/esports?
2022-02-02 20:11
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Obviously you want to win, but even if you come up short of winning a Major there is a lot to achieve for pro CS players/teams. If any achievement apart from outright winning a tournament that barely happens biannually is perceived to be irrelevant, you're bound to demotivate your employees.
2022-02-02 20:14
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You missed the point. He wants a team that can win a major, not just some top team that is never capable of doing that. He doesn't want the team to be the second best or the 3rd best, he wants them to win. He wants them to be the best. You can never be the best without having that kind of a mindset
2022-02-02 20:24
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Yeah , I don't know why people here are getting si outraged about this claim...
2022-02-02 23:03
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#125
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Bulgaria NeonAssasin
people are soft and idiots most of the time don't forget that
2022-02-03 01:48
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Well I certainly didn't forget that especially after the two years we lived, which were a great reminder
2022-02-03 12:16
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#16
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Denmark luffexd
still has a player who wiffed the easiest shot of his career, gg g2
2022-02-02 20:08
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2 replies
big deal, they would be top 15 at best without Niko
2022-02-02 22:08
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#158
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donk | 
Denmark luffexd
True. They still have the power to be top 15-20 as you mentioned.
2022-02-03 16:19
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#17
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Romania the6dor
uncancellable
2022-02-02 20:08
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Leave about major. First let them win other tournaments
2022-02-02 20:10
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1 reply
Haha +1
2022-02-03 14:42
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That interview was indeed pretty awesome to listen to. We hardly see the big names be so vociferously outspoken about their views, and I totally loved it. All the best to G2!
2022-02-02 20:10
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Yeah, but att the same time, I was outspoken on light subjects to give the illusion of speak freely. The nexa removal, the saudia deal, he chewed his words to remove all possible content. He is colorful, I give you that, but he was still really cautious.
2022-02-02 20:23
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#96
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New Zealand SWARN151
Yeah, I agree with that as well.
2022-02-02 21:16
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GOAT
2022-02-02 20:11
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loser mindset!
2022-02-02 20:11
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#31
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Poland Dzangow
Carlos fashion: "I don't want to beg for s1mple to get bored in NAVI for me to buy him, I want to build my team and kick his ass. I want s1mple to blame himself for not having joined G2." hahahahahahahahaha
2022-02-02 20:14
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less go
2022-02-02 20:14
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major with jackz XD
2022-02-02 20:16
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#48
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Sweden Smauxx
If player like Boombl4 win major then Jackz definitely can.
2022-02-02 20:27
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1 reply
or Zeus with gambit lol
2022-02-02 20:44
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#36
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World CIS_ERA
love this guy
2022-02-02 20:17
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CARLOS ON AMBITIONS FOR G2: "I DON'T GIVE A F**K ABOUT BEING TOP THREE, I WANT TO WIN MONEY" would be more truth
2022-02-02 20:17
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#44
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Europe Rokiz
they already are profitable org he just wants to be the best org in most things.
2022-02-02 20:22
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#123
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Romania DDSkidrow
imagine thinking orgs give a shit about prize money
2022-02-03 01:29
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3 replies
i think because he bought niko then he spend 600k on monesy and maybe on xtqzzz and he spend that much money to win nothing. thats way i think maybe he wants money but maybe he wants only to win idk
2022-02-03 01:53
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#128
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Romania DDSkidrow
prizes themselves don't mean shit to orgs because they give most of it to their players and whatever the org gets barely amounts to anything when you look at the top salaries
2022-02-03 02:11
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1 reply
Yeah, they make so much more with brand deals and sponsorships honestly.
2022-02-03 15:33
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#52
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Biske
goat ceo
2022-02-02 20:30
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not with monesy and aleksib
2022-02-02 20:34
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He is right. Only majors matter
2022-02-02 20:37
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I think the most interesting thing in the interview was he admitted he made a play for ZywOo and s1mple. No surprise he didn’t get them, but he at least tried.
2022-02-02 20:38
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Both wanted to stay in their teams though
2022-02-02 22:11
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It was neither of their choices to stay with their teams. That's not how contracts work. If Carlos offered enough for one, and their team owners accepted, the players gets bought.
2022-02-03 02:09
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nobod gets forced to play anywhere. they can still decline by themselves.
2022-02-03 07:42
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+1
2022-02-03 08:05
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The only power the player has is if they decline the offers from the buying team, in this case G2. A team like G2 won’t come in with the intentions and lowball a s1mple/zywOo. I guarantee if Navi/Vitality accept the buyout, either of those would of signed with G2.
2022-02-03 19:41
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That's true and not true Vitality didnt accept neither NaVi and they both were in conversation with their players. Contract = buyout + salary but to do that you need org approval and player approval
2022-02-03 08:09
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He still has PTSD from missing ZywOo and not signing him because (tards) shox and Kenny thought he was a cheat despite the whole French community telling them je wasn't and to sign him for monthes ( including fans, players, coaches, neL etc )... That's why he paid so much for m0NESY, he hoping for a ZywOo 'second coming'.
2022-02-02 23:01
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#112
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Lebanon Dogman69
who need zywoo when u got chad Smithzz
2022-02-02 23:11
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Based
2022-02-02 20:40
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owner of G2 saying opposite truth
2022-02-02 20:41
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too bad, Faze with ropz are here to steal the next 5 majors. sometime dream are just to be dreams.
2022-02-02 20:45
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1 reply
+1
2022-02-03 09:37
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s1mple: this is all i needed, it became personal
2022-02-02 20:49
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Carlos > ocelote
2022-02-02 20:55
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#86
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Kosovo Theexend
Can't win with monesy imo, atleast he needs ZywOo but he can't get him, lmao
2022-02-02 20:57
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#88
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Iceland Voidsphere
What a clown. Be ambitious as much as you want, but being cocky ain't being ambitious at all.
2022-02-02 21:01
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Last time they won a tournament? Any?
2022-02-02 21:05
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#95
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Ukraine VoidWave
HE DOESN'T GIVE AS F**K
2022-02-02 21:15
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#97
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Turkey TheKaiser
Winner mentality
2022-02-02 21:18
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#98
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Peru TenoriPEEK
carlos have not seen the new roster of faze ROFL
2022-02-02 21:23
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4 replies
NiKo>ropz huNter>twistzz m0NESY>botky Not to mention 30 yo washed up karrigan who cant frag for shit. This new G2 would demolish FaZe
2022-02-03 10:42
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3 replies
Twistzz >>> hunter Also rain >>>>>>>> jackz all the day
2022-02-03 14:45
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2 replies
Nt, people should be calling Faze "budget G2"
2022-02-03 15:24
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1 reply
Nt what ? Im not a faze fan lol Im just spreading facts to your face
2022-02-03 17:13
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-10 IQ
2022-02-02 21:38
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g2 won't win shit, they don't have any player that really has it in him to win.
2022-02-02 21:38
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Biggest clown in esports
2022-02-02 21:44
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2 replies
+1
2022-02-02 22:13
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awww u ok? :'(
2022-02-03 00:27
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GOAT Confirmed trivia segment
2022-02-02 22:05
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this guy is just so annoying. I absolutely despise his attitude
2022-02-02 22:13
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1 reply
aww u ok babes
2022-02-03 00:26
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#108
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Czech Republic thezipp3r
major my ass
2022-02-02 22:21
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If ropz had joined this team they would have been unbeatable. Same of he joined new Vita.
2022-02-02 22:57
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#114
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Lebanon Dogman69
he explained ropz part. Basically they had to remove niko or hunter and change the whole system to accomodate ropz.
2022-02-02 23:14
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1 reply
Yep, I know ropz is an anchor/lurker. But still strong AF. I know Zonic wanted to buy him too, but I think NEO didn't really push that file because he wanted to keep a mostly french lineup for obvious reasons, and ropz was quite expensive ( guess ) Not sure that was a good decision. He could have got ropz for misutaa, and got a massive international roster. If you decide to go a route, do it full force to have no regets... ropz+zywoo would just have been nuts
2022-02-03 12:21
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Bruh stay in top5 first. That's your goal.
2022-02-03 00:38
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#119
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Finland sway777
BASED
2022-02-03 00:47
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#121
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Brazil inv4der
I don't think he's arrogant, I understand the high investments of an Org... it's cool to be top 3 hltv but that doesn't leave you registered in history like winning a Major...
2022-02-03 01:08
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boss
2022-02-03 01:41
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as long as s0mple, ZywOo, dev4ce are alive, I don't think G2 with choko is going to win major.
2022-02-03 03:50
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So many snowflakes in here no wonder you guys doesnt achieve anything cia.
2022-02-03 04:45
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not gonna win a major with aleksib lmao
2022-02-03 05:44
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True, winning majors playing 4vs5 would be quite a feat indeed. Aleksib is comparable to a level 8 faceit player with washed up "strategies"
2022-02-03 14:40
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Carlos my role model
2022-02-03 08:12
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D: Family show!
2022-02-03 09:36
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#148
Faceit level 9  | 
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Sweden HaasF1Team
D: Family friendly content please
2022-02-03 12:55
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Impossible with bot choko in ur team
2022-02-03 15:31
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Pog
2022-02-03 17:08
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chill out Carlos lol
2022-02-03 17:47
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u can't hate this guy and if u do ur a snowflake who wants everyone to be boring and modest like Messi
2022-02-03 18:27
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just buy navi roster
2022-02-03 18:30
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i mean why would s1mple regretting not joining G2 even if G2 had the success in the future. the guy already playing for his hometown team, already win everything with them so im sure he really happy with where he is right now xD
2022-02-03 19:24
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go to valorant then
2022-02-05 16:06
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Lmao, this guy won't achieve anything after -nexa, keep dreaming man
2022-02-06 08:13
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lets see, they have their chances
2022-02-07 23:53
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