Opinion: Should we be worried for Vitality?

The French-Danish combine have underwhelmed during their first three months together. Is it time to be ringing the alarm bells?

In November, a report from 1pv.fr shocked the Counter-Strike landscape, indicating that Peter "⁠dupreeh⁠" Rasmussen, Emil "⁠Magisk⁠" Reif, and Danny "⁠zonic⁠" Sørensen would be departing Astralis for Vitality in a bid to create a powerhouse international roster.

The talent of the three and four-time Major champions uniting with Dan "⁠apEX⁠" Madesclaire, Mathieu "⁠ZywOo⁠" Herbaut, and Kévin "⁠misutaaa⁠" Rabier was a tantalizing prospect in a time where it looked as if no team could contest the dominance of Natus Vincere, and expectations were high for the potential of the lineup heading into the new year when the move was finally made official. However, the team's early results have left much to be desired, and after three top tier events, worry has begun to creep in regarding the team's performance. But is it really warranted, given it has been just three months since the roster came together?

Vitality's early results leave cause for concern

For most viewers, immediate tournament victories weren't expected from the roster, especially given the fact that the players would have to adjust to communicating in English. However, the notoriety of the names on the team, the level Vitality had showcased at the end of 2021, and the stellar individual ability of ZywOo built anticipation ahead of their debut, and there was hope that the roster could still pull off deep runs even early into their time together.

Not living up to expectations

Magisk was quick to downplay the team's early prospects in an interview with HLTV.org in January as well. "I don't expect us to be the best team in the world after a month," the Dane had stated ahead of the roster's debut. So, when the team eventually did make their first appearance, albeit in online competition in the BLAST Premier Spring Groups, it was a pleasant surprise as they displayed solid form, securing a berth at the LAN finals with a top three finish. Inferno looked to be an especially strong map for the team during the event as they showcased strong fundamentals and an ability to play off of each other well despite limited practice, but none of those factors remained consistent as results began to spiral in Vitality's ensuing tournament appearances.

One of the most stacked events of the year, IEM Katowice, was next up on the calendar for the new composition, and there it became much more obvious that the team had a long way to go to truly become worldbeaters. The French-Danish side just barely scraped by MOUZ in their opening match, surprisingly dropping Inferno out of all maps in a series that went the distance, before being subsequently knocked out early following losses to HEROIC and Gambit. Their next appearance at ESL Pro League Season 15 a month later was similarly dismal, ending in a fourth place finish after they picked up just two wins in their group and missed out on making the playoffs.

Vitality continue to struggle in Katowice, exiting in 9-12th place for the fourth year in a row

So, with a handful of matches to look back on now, what are Vitality struggling with to get matches over the line, especially those against weaker opposition? Overall, one of the more concerning issues this early on is their map pool, with the team currently only holding winning records on Inferno and Dust2, and far more crucially, 0-5 and 1-2 records on Mirage and Nuke, respectively — two of the old Vitality roster's best maps. Still, the lack of a winning record across their map pool and dismal early results can easily be chalked up to growing pains and a lack of experience together. Right now, it's more than evident that there are still communication barriers for them to overcome in tight situations, and an adjustment period that still has to fully play out before the players can be fully comfortable playing together with their vastly different backgrounds.

Communication and style issues

That, in fact, is a pivotal component in why Vitality have been struggling: The distinct contrast between how Danish teams — and more specifically, Astralis — approach the game versus the French style of Counter-Strike, which apEX is accustomed to calling in. Attempting to meld the two is a lengthy and arduous process, and one that hasn't gone over cleanly for the team thus far. When watching their matches, there are moments where things just click beautifully, but many others where it's clear there's an internal push-and-pull in how the team responds to situations in-game. Where the Vitality of old would be more systemic in their approach, the Astralis players are more familiar with a loose, "feelings-based" approach to Counter-Strike — something that apEX touched on in a recent interview with 1pv.fr.

"Sometimes we have rounds that look weird, because we don't understand each other," the French captain explained. "I see things a way, but I have to understand what they want and love to do. It's a whole philosophy that has to change and that's not easy. It's little by little, sometimes I get to call, sometimes I give them freedom, It's not easy to find the balance. They're going to die more than my former players, so the calls are less obvious. At Vitality, we worked on 'on the fly' calls, I love that. They are not used to that. They played a lot in the Astralis way and never changed their game. For now it doesn't fit well. They are less disciplined than us and play by feelings. I've never had players like that. We have to adapt to each other, it takes time."

Prodigy in his first slump

Without a doubt, though, the biggest factor in Vitality's downturn of results has been the drop in form of their superstar, ZywOo. The 21-year-old has struggled to replicate the same dominant level of play we're used to seeing from him over the course of the 28 maps the new-look Vitality have played, averaging a 1.04 rating against top 20 opponents (20 maps) ⁠— an immense 0.25 drop from ZywOo's average of 1.29 against top 20 teams for all of 2021.

That kind of level is just the reality of what we have come to expect from the likes of Oleksandr "⁠s1mple⁠" Kostyliev, ZywOo, and Nikola "⁠NiKo⁠" Kovač. Baffling, team-carrying numbers that have been pivotal in helping overcome all other factors and help lead their teams to victory time and time again, and for the latter two players, even more important as they haven't always been surrounded by talent who can put up equally strong individual showings.

ZywOo's dip in individual form is by far the most concerning factor for Vitality

That is why it is all the more concerning that ZywOo's form has suffered so significantly, but also puts into perspective that maybe it isn't all sorrow for the new international Vitality squad despite some dismal early results. ZywOo's current level could very well be just a short-term dip and he could return to world-beating form in no time, and more promising than that, dupreeh has had a resurgence of form on his own, which offers even further hope for the team's prospects. It's hard to ignore the aforementioned communication issues and struggles to integrate the two different styles of play together at the moment — which has caused some players, but especially ZywOo, to stumble — but there are far more promising facets for the roster as they look toward the future, and even more importantly, focus on long-term progress.

"Our short term goals are about improving and becoming as good as we can as fast as possible, but we're not really working in the short term," Magisk had said early on. "We want to win tournaments, to be able to beat NAVI, and that's going to take time. It'll take some disappointing moments in the near future, but we'll still play to win. It doesn't matter how good we are."

With the exception of their BLAST Spring Groups result, disappointing moments have definitely unfolded for the French-Danish combine in recent months. Keep in mind, though, that we are just three events and three months into the tournament season, and the overall experience, adaptability, and long-term focus of the roster offers so much promise for the future. With zonic dealing with personal matters early in the year, his impact on the team's development very well could not be felt yet, which leaves so many avenues for improvement the team can still explore. On top of that, the pedigree of the players as a whole only gives further hope that results will soon follow, so for now, their early exits aren't really a cause for concern as it takes much longer to completely integrate three players from an entirely different culture and team environment.

Time to perform

The question one must ask then, is how long do we give this team before they no longer can excuse their results based on still integrating the players together and getting their strategy book in order? Six months? A year? I'd argue that if they aren't consistently managing top four finishes by the tournament break, we should definitely begin to worry as this lineup was put together to be worldbeaters, not just make it to the playoffs.

Crucially, the team's Esports Director, Fabien "Neo" Devide, is clear on what his own expectations are for the team, and the instructions he's given to zonic: to shape the team into Major champions, and repeat Major champions at that, within two years. "He knows from the beginning, I'm crystal clear on this. zonic — you have two years to win a Major, but the biggest difference with this team is that if we win a Major I want to make sure we have a proper shot to win several Majors," he had said in an interview with HLTV.org in January. Already, four months are in the hole, and the first Major in the lineup's time together is quickly approaching.

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One thing is for certain at this point — missing out on PGL Major Antwerp would most certainly be a massive disappointment for the players, fans, and the organization, so we can only hope that apEX's side are able to bounce back as they now turn their attention to the first RMR event in Bucharest, where they'll hope to make it through to the $1,000,000 event in Belgium by showcasing better form, and hopefully with a revitalized ZywOo in tow.

France Kévin 'misutaaa' Rabier
Kévin 'misutaaa' Rabier
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.96
Maps played:
400
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1893
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.65
Denmark Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1353
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.63
France Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.27
Maps played:
962
KPR:
0.85
DPR:
0.62
France Dan 'apEX' Madesclaire
Dan 'apEX' Madesclaire
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1945
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.70
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
1578
KPR:
0.80
DPR:
0.67
Ukraine Oleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Oleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Age:
24
Rating 1.0:
1.25
Maps played:
1515
KPR:
0.86
DPR:
0.64
lol no
2022-04-15 22:48
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#3
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Ukraine I_say_Ok
so is that a yes or a no
2022-04-15 22:48
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7 replies
yes....i ment no wait what
2022-04-15 22:49
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6 replies
So is yes or no
2022-04-15 22:57
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4 replies
maybe
2022-04-15 22:59
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No means yes, but yes don't mean no
2022-04-16 01:51
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#204
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Djibouti brokolys
non't
2022-04-16 12:40
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#232
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India scareqrow
accepted
2022-04-16 15:47
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when they say yes they mean yes mens
2022-04-16 09:15
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yes we should cos this team is probably not gonna work, unless something really miraculous happen
2022-04-15 23:02
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they lost to gambit a top team in katowice and were in a esl pro league group of death were all teams made top 4 they should be better sure but its not that bleak ez major playoffs
2022-04-15 23:29
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Damn that puts some perspective
2022-04-16 01:52
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but then they lost to bulgarian mix team lol
2022-04-16 05:55
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Opinion: yes Fact: yes
2022-04-15 23:40
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Who asked
2022-04-15 22:48
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1 reply
Disband only choice
2022-04-16 05:29
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yes
2022-04-15 22:48
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1 reply
Indeed their CEO have said they give the core 2 years in to win a major
2022-04-16 09:12
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onions? + who asked + who cares + ratio + L
2022-04-15 22:49
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#8
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Australia Australis
no, disband
2022-04-15 22:49
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#9
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France Nwdn15
No
2022-04-15 22:49
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#10
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Brazil eyeShot
as long as apEX is on the team, yes vitallity should be concerned...
2022-04-15 22:49
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How is apex the problem?
2022-04-15 23:48
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#89
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Brazil eyeShot
in my opinion he is the problem.... and in your opinion?
2022-04-16 00:23
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language is a problem. personalities are possibly a problem. culture is a problem. all of these are far more serious than any single player in this team.
2022-04-16 00:59
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#122
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Brazil eyeShot
+1
2022-04-16 01:53
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#199
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Denmark Lintopli
I thought you said apex was the problem.
2022-04-16 11:56
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this guy is has serious issues hahaha #139
2022-04-16 15:37
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#248
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Brazil eyeShot
#10 and #89 ...
2022-04-16 23:04
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+1
2022-04-16 10:43
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in my opinion you have zero knowledge of the cs scene.
2022-04-16 01:27
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In my opinion kioshima is the problem
2022-04-16 03:30
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#251
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Brazil eyeShot
Lol
2022-04-16 23:17
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#262
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Brazil AK_trovao
apEX bot, kick...
2022-04-20 02:59
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I think magisk is the problem
2022-04-16 09:03
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#252
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Brazil eyeShot
for me, i kicked magisk... there are definitely better players to replace him...
2022-04-16 23:26
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hope they do well this rmr
2022-04-15 22:50
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is that the neo from matrix?
2022-04-15 22:50
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No its polish neo i guess
2022-04-15 22:59
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Yes /closed This team has no excuse to be doing this bad. One of the best cores on the planet. A number 1 player in the world. And an org that is totally fine with being dumpstered and doggied every tournament . I mean the org doesn't even look like it wants to pull out of csgo and I dont know why. But once again...im na...who gives a fuck what im talking about. Booo eg.
2022-04-15 22:51
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#25
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Russia Trueteller
/open why you /close and then write after you /closed /closed
2022-04-15 22:56
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/open /closed
2022-04-15 23:33
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#114
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United States weaboo
??? Best core ??? Literally no 2nd star rifler.
2022-04-16 01:31
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Top 10 can still be considered "One of the best cores on the planet." I'm not so sure if they make that cut though
2022-04-16 04:00
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#228
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France Nescabir
Last sentence on point
2022-04-16 15:08
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Disband yes and go back tO aSTRALIS FOR ONE LAST DANCE!!!
2022-04-15 22:52
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yes
2022-04-15 22:53
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KICK. MISUTAA IN THE BUTT!!!! And get yekindar
2022-04-15 22:53
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But vita already has dupreeh as entry
2022-04-15 22:56
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#52
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Serbia Set0_iwnl
Well Dupreeh is not playing as an entry in Vitality, Misutaa and Apex are doing it more
2022-04-15 23:26
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+1
2022-04-16 01:07
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#127
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Denmark OPINIONATOR
So get rid of both of them
2022-04-16 02:36
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missclick sorry
2022-04-15 22:58
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We should. One more bad tournament and they are going to bench the dannish duo.
2022-04-15 22:53
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yes
2022-04-15 22:54
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magisk and dupreeh are not as we know them... sad but true
2022-04-15 22:59
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Dupreeh is not the problem he's been great
2022-04-16 05:46
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I agree, even I think magisk is not a problem. The problem is they are not as effective as they used to be. it was obviously even before they left Astralis. I mean the expectation is unnecessarily high.
2022-04-16 10:55
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-apex the problem
2022-04-15 22:54
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#21
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Europe BARAO555
the best answer for every question MAYBE
2022-04-15 22:55
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#22
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Asia flipflop
I still have faith
2022-04-15 22:55
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EZ 4 ZYWOO DONT WORRY
2022-04-15 22:56
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Wait im somewhat cornered turns out Astralis players were individual monsters and they just knew how to play well and IGL had little output on how they play the game??
2022-04-15 22:57
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#167
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
GuardiaN | 
Other Darge
Gla1ve is a lie, Cadian was right. All hail the true mastermind of danish CS!
2022-04-16 08:45
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3 replies
msl?
2022-04-16 09:24
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birdfromsky
2022-04-16 11:14
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I think MSL should go Astralis + 2 of old north players.
2022-04-18 10:49
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Zywoo god carry them all ez
2022-04-15 22:57
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If we go back a little bit in time this Vitality is the best team in the world
2022-04-15 22:58
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1- Having the great duo of magisk and dupree but zywoo performs like a mortal bc language (maybe) 2- Have 2 decent french players and get zywoo perform like a god again idk which one is better
2022-04-15 22:58
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Judging by results it seems they were better with show and Kyojin. But magisk and dupreeh arent in their top form and there's obviously language but also play culture issues...
2022-04-15 23:24
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Maybe zywho misses the selfishness. When you are the best player in a lineup you have to be selfish. To a certain level. S1mple is known for being selfish ingame and I think it is one of the reasons he is the best.
2022-04-16 09:07
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s1mple is enabled so much more by his team than zywoo ever had and s1mple always had a much better team around him. Zywoo is treated like a normal star player, i dont think he is selfish at all baring the role requirement.
2022-04-16 16:11
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LUL whole vitality said they played only for zywho and even after that serious statement people come and tell the opposite story
2022-04-16 16:41
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really? dont know the inner workings of teams but when i was watching their games it always gave me that vibe
2022-04-16 18:19
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neo killed french csgo
2022-04-15 22:58
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"Is it time to be ringing the alarm bells?" Maybe. But the only change i could see is -apEX +fragger and Magisk IGL. Misutaaa have struggled a bit as well. He had a good first week with the new lineup but after that its just gone downhill. I think: Magisk - IGL Dupreeh ZywOo JKS +Support player Could be decent. But, i doubt they will make any changes right now but if they do Magisk, Dupreeh and ZywOo is 100% safe.
2022-04-15 23:03
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They should have tried to buy ropz when they had thé chance.
2022-04-15 23:24
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#70
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Asia flipflop
They tried, ropz declined the offer.
2022-04-15 23:50
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Ropz chose between the two and he chose FaZe. I seem to remember Richard Lewis or Thorin saying they had insider sources who said the offer was higher salary but ropz thought Faze would suit him more, plus vitality has position clashes, whereas ropz took almost all of Olofs old spots so was an easy integration. Same with G2
2022-04-16 05:55
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apEX still frags and IS an IGL... imagine what he could do if he could focus purely on rifling...
2022-04-16 00:01
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"apEX still frags and IS an IGL" No shit? I know he is the IGL? lol And no, apEX struggles a bit and he is a pretty emotional player if you have not noticed. Its not very smart to have a super emotional IGL, they need a calm and collected IGL like Magisk.
2022-04-16 00:03
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People think that changing IGL literally changes the entire situation, lol the interview is all about Vitality not being yet put into puzzle because they have different style of playing (dupreeh,Magisk more loose style) while ZywOo misutaaa and apEx are more system based player.
2022-04-16 00:33
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"People think that changing IGL literally changes the entire situation" No. I never said that. But, what i have noticed from apEX is that he is a VERY emotional player, and its not good to have a player that is on that level of emotional tbh. Yes, obviously its a lot of work for Vitality that remains and it will take time.
2022-04-16 00:35
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I would think that having emotional player is good if he has passion and it displays it pretty well, if he uses his emotions to make players uncomfortable then that is different thing, but so far i can say apEx is more alike joke guy and gives good mood to his team, can make them laugh when they loss and its visible even more after Vitality lost these 2 tourneys. Vita cannot afford to change it's IGL while it has changing period by itself especially a guy that was proclaimed best igl of 2021, the fact if they lost IGL right now would be basically GG for every player inside roster and im talking about zywoo dropping barely 1-1.1kd
2022-04-16 00:39
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Yes. apEX some games is a jokester etc. But in some games when he becomes frustrated or a little tilted you can see that he is annoyed etc when he dies.
2022-04-16 00:49
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It's funny that a swede is talking emotions.. furthermore can you see immediatly that apEX behaviour calmed down drastically after he took that break last year. When having personal problems that force you to take a break of your job it's kinda understandable that you can't control your emotions as well as in normal circumstamces. Also I don't see apEX being a problem for this roster, his calls are most of the time very good, apart from pushing banana early round as the sole b defender. Dupreeh and Magisk are also not washed, how I read many people thinking... Zywoo will come back in a few months, when his english skills are better, same with misutaaa. Give them 6 more months. /closed
2022-04-16 10:05
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#146
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India Rau7n
Apex plays best positions in whole team.
2022-04-16 04:52
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#123
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United States weaboo
They should -misuta +jks apex to anchor roles
2022-04-16 02:10
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#132
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Sweden Gopher666
Maybe try to get Krimz from fnatic?
2022-04-16 02:59
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#38
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Hungary anw_
Yeah lol /closed
2022-04-15 23:03
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OPINION: NO
2022-04-15 23:04
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whotality
2022-04-15 23:04
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#41
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United States illusi0n[1g]
thread should be 404'd. oh wait
2022-04-15 23:08
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yes, but only a little. i think the major sort of decides this team's destiny
2022-04-15 23:09
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No.... should we be worried about g2 too?
2022-04-15 23:09
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#117
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Denmark L1ghtn1ng1337
I don't see why we should. They had some bad matches at ESL PL S15, but it ain't nothing to worry about. With the 16 yo prodigy, the legendary IGL, one of the best riflers in the world, no we shouldn't.
2022-04-16 01:50
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-botsutaaa
2022-04-15 23:10
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I’m worried
2022-04-15 23:11
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#46
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Brazil ginga do maroto
if there's such a big culture clash, it will take a long time still for it to (maybe) work. very hard to do, nonetheless. when you can't have true connection between the players you won't have that dance, and you won't win majors - simple as that. in that case, it's only a glorified mix team. I'm 100% positive Vitality would lose pretty hard if they tried playing GC here in Brazil lmao
2022-04-15 23:17
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Yep I'm French and the culture of the game/playstyle was from day one a bigger issue than the language. Not to mention the tactical side bought by xtqzzz taht was underrated...
2022-04-15 23:26
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And shox and apex had been working together for a long time.
2022-04-16 00:16
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From what I’ve seen with liquid, shox gives a lot of input and I feel like apex is a bit lost without shox or xtqzz
2022-04-17 01:24
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Yeah. I saw that too. Elige said Shox likes to think macro about the game. I'm not saying Apex cannot lead, but probably magisk and zonic have different views/styles and It is clashing a bit. I don't think vitality is in danger, but I don't see them as dangerous rn. Zywoo (and misutaa) need to be comfortable before that.
2022-04-17 01:37
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No, they were in a hard group at EPL and will bounce back. They will dominate the RMR.
2022-04-15 23:17
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Pinnacle Cup?
2022-04-16 09:55
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I'm pretty sure they played it for sake of experience (Apex in interview)
2022-04-16 14:42
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Losing 0-2 was a great experience I'm sure.
2022-04-16 14:49
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I think that this shit doesnt really matter when they know what they want to play
2022-04-16 14:56
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not yet
2022-04-15 23:20
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yes
2022-04-15 23:27
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Vitality out of major soon
2022-04-15 23:27
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#58
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United Kingdom Leftie
better article would be this, but on EG.
2022-04-15 23:31
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they already disbanded check skysports
2022-04-15 23:34
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#95
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New Zealand Skye620
Link?
2022-04-16 00:37
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2022-04-16 01:09
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#130
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New Zealand Skye620
Ty but that link is 404'd
2022-04-16 02:50
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Keep up theses threads @HLTV , great content !
2022-04-15 23:34
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Yes, defenitely. With these names on paper.. They should crush fools but.. they are not.
2022-04-15 23:37
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No.
2022-04-15 23:39
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no. give them some more time
2022-04-15 23:39
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#66
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Spain Belinda
Absolutely
2022-04-15 23:41
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#67
Faceit level 8  | 
Singapore Slaughtrr
zywoo = finished /close
2022-04-15 23:42
0
i would've said faze instead of navi but its fine
2022-04-15 23:45
0
Just give Vita time, they're out of top 10 after bench rpk, and some time after it too (after bench nivera maybe), and then going back to top 2 with kyojin.
2022-04-15 23:52
0
they should be concerned about even getting to a major kekw
2022-04-15 23:55
0
No.
2022-04-16 00:03
0
Make Vitality French Again! Bring back shox and Nivera. Replace zonic.
2022-04-16 00:08
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#79
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France niouke
they fucking broke zywoo
2022-04-16 00:10
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#80
Faceit level 10  | 
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Finland Velurom
Yes.
2022-04-16 00:10
0
What's the b's with plating the way you like? Play to win so employ best approach. That's it.
2022-04-16 00:12
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#82
rain | 
Ukraine Raze49
RMR and Major will show us everything
2022-04-16 00:15
0
Vitality will stay international no matter what. And this is likely as good as they can make it at this point, Astralis trio was likely far from cheap so give them time, 6-8 months at least
2022-04-16 00:19
0
I think they will make it, but not convincingly like as a challenger.
2022-04-16 00:21
0
How come 5 super smart players cannot figure out how to communicate?
2022-04-16 00:21
0
No No & No! Vitality will need a bit of time and then soon top 1 Dupreeh will go BRRRR!
2022-04-16 00:25
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1 reply
+1!
2022-04-16 00:36
0
Yes.
2022-04-16 00:34
0
Opinion: Yes.
2022-04-16 00:43
0
Drastic changes on teams will always take time to adapt, 3 months is far from enough and in the Vitality case there's also the language barrier, which is a huge deal considering that only Apex speaks a somewhat good english
2022-04-16 00:46
0
Imo, Danis duo is useless. Thats the only problem. Vita was better with shox&kyojin. You just cant make a team around the Danish duo. You MUST make a team around ZyWoo. Thats all.
2022-04-16 00:48
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3 replies
The team is made around zywoo, but instead of having 2 bots like kyojin and shox, they have 2 great players in Magisk and dupreeh. ZywOo has a 1.04 rating, which isn't even good by any player's standards. He is meant to be the 2nd/3rd best player in the world and isn't even playing like top 30. Vitality can't be blamed for ZywOo not hitting anything.
2022-04-16 03:28
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2 replies
I guess ZywOo cant be blamed for great Danish bot duo. :) We will see.
2022-04-16 07:41
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1 reply
You think 1.04 rating is good for top 3 player in the world?
2022-04-16 17:46
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#102
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Finland M0nzaa
Theyre shit just disband and let zywoo go to a good team? What problem is :()
2022-04-16 00:51
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2 replies
2022-04-16 03:28
0
They want to be that good team. Thats the problem.
2022-04-16 04:01
0
With all these drastic changes they needed at least 6 months to start building chemistry and to get used each other. While also working on a decent map pool. We're still far from it. Also this CEO is dumb asf, he's pulling statements out of his ass.
2022-04-16 01:03
0
huge mistake from both the danes and the french. this will never work
2022-04-16 01:05
0
finished team unfortunately
2022-04-16 01:10
0
Fix mirage or swap it with Ancient
2022-04-16 01:28
0
dead team walking
2022-04-16 01:27
0
I've said it from the first moment, and I still hope I'm wrong, but I don't really see this lineup working.
2022-04-16 01:30
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#115
ness | 
Canada ssau
Getting a little greedy shooting to win multiple majors lol. Be happy if you even get one major out of this lineup. Could have a lucky tournament run, who knows
2022-04-16 01:38
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#116
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
wtf is this article.. just check apex recent interviews where he explain everything, it s way more intresting
2022-04-16 01:51
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1 reply
+1 everyone is speculating and pulling stuff out of their ass, from what I've heard from Apex himself it looks like they have a good idea what they're trying to do and they're willing to give it time
2022-04-16 13:17
0
They can’t even wait half a year before freaking out about vitality. Come on hltv
2022-04-16 02:24
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#126
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
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Moldova OptimusBlyad
overused but seriously who asked
2022-04-16 02:31
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#128
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United States DarkFX
If they don't make the major then they need to make changes
2022-04-16 02:42
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#129
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Brazil arcblason
I dont think they will be able to get the legends spot in the RMR. But I hope I am wrong.
2022-04-16 02:48
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I dunno but dupreeh and Magisk both are upgrades to previous roster. But somehow they keep losing. I dont get it.
2022-04-16 02:54
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Not yet, they are trying to merge two different CS regions/cultures in one team, and it's the first time these players have coms in English. It will take time but I think the quality of the players will make it work.
2022-04-16 03:06
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2 replies
Agreed
2022-04-16 04:54
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#189
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Saudi Arabia St4ck
Agreed
2022-04-16 10:53
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#134
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Spain Otanno
Are u denmarkman? Or franceman? Or the owner? So, who cars?
2022-04-16 03:19
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1.04 lol
2022-04-16 03:20
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1 reply
#190
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Saudi Arabia St4ck
yes
2022-04-16 10:53
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yes it's over
2022-04-16 03:53
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international rosters just need time, faze and g2 had to grind for months before their cores started to bear fruit
2022-04-16 04:03
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#144
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Europe Structure
French CS is pretty much dead along with Germany, the 2 biggest EU countries. Every sole EU country is dead as a team. Only international FaZe or CIS teams win anything.
2022-04-16 04:19
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3 replies
0/8 BIG top 5 soon
2022-04-16 08:28
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international teams domination incoming cis war na lol sa ok asia lol au lol
2022-04-16 12:55
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1 reply
#208
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Europe Structure
Complexity and Liquid are better than Furia, nt
2022-04-16 12:59
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#145
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India Rau7n
-apex and everything will be solved. Kick this toxic bot baiter
2022-04-16 04:48
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1 reply
apex > misutaa
2022-04-16 08:27
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no car, no worry
2022-04-16 05:24
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apex = french stanislaw
2022-04-16 05:40
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opinion: Vitality will never be as good as they was full french lineup
2022-04-16 06:24
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language barrier is no joke man
2022-04-16 06:30
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Too early to judge, I believe they are still strong, just they need to solve their communications problem immediately to become the title contender.
2022-04-16 07:10
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Zywoo nweed to step up. He had problems with easy shots, he missed a lot of shots from awp and rifle, Magisk and dupreeh looked good but from zywoo we expect much more
2022-04-16 07:13
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1 reply
the problem is not in zywoo. he already their best player and other need to step up when he doesnt perform. the problem lies on language, chemistry and teamwork. as i said on paper they look strong but new meta isnt about firepower
2022-04-16 09:35
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Nostalgie lineup (1 rus, 2 fr, 2 pl) was much better than this kekw it`s more about different cultures i think than only language barrier
2022-04-16 07:41
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1 reply
and that is true
2022-04-16 14:45
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Although French cs is joke I was sceptical about this move from the start hopefully they can be at least top 7 team if not better
2022-04-16 09:19
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If ropz would had accepted the offer from Vita to replace Misutaa but since he refused here we are, with ropz it would been an almost guaranteed top3 spot for the whole year
2022-04-16 09:48
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If they bomb out of the RMR they are in huge trouble
2022-04-16 09:53
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#179
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Sweden murii
bad chemistry, just a stupid management move to put frenchmen and danes together.
2022-04-16 09:54
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Worried? Nah, amused. They sacrificed their identity to enforce more success, didn't get the latter and smashed the chemistry/communication to cap it all. Pretty amusing to watch, if you ask me.
2022-04-16 10:04
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#186
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Saudi Arabia St4ck
who
2022-04-16 10:52
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#187
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Saudi Arabia St4ck
cares
2022-04-16 10:53
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#188
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Saudi Arabia St4ck
old
2022-04-16 10:53
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#194
oskar | 
Czech Republic 4DC3
Honestly depends on their opening rmr match, could be a catastrophe but also could be a bounce back to top
2022-04-16 11:20
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No, we didn't invest the money kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2022-04-16 11:31
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Probably build a new team around zywoo next year. Funny thing is dupreeh and magisk have been playing decen twhile all french players have been playing worse than in 2021.
2022-04-16 11:31
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I don't know how they will perform but no expectations whatsover. Wishing them all the best though
2022-04-16 11:49
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#200
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Indonesia lukerey
they should worry about themself. france has been indepent for a long time, now they decided to mix team up with the danes? their old time rival? what kind of decision is this? poor zywoo and dupreeh stuck on global elite level of teammates.
2022-04-16 12:04
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yes hard rmr group
2022-04-16 12:24
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#203
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Ukraine d3adLY
why we should? they deserve to lose cuz they dont kick apex and missuta
2022-04-16 12:35
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pretty hard for french and danish to be together and be good easily ZywOo needs to step up now that he has better teammates
2022-04-16 12:53
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Who cares?
2022-04-16 13:04
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#212
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
flusha | 
Pakistan sanos
If zywoo still sucks this RMR we should be worried. Vitality lives and dies by zywoo
2022-04-16 13:17
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Everyone with a brain realized that this team was never going to be tier 1. Two washed up danes, a fake superstar with no ambition, an overrated wannabe igl and an irrelevant nonamer does not make a good team.
2022-04-16 13:20
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2 replies
+1
2022-04-16 14:34
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#224
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Romania Peanspey
fatwoo " I just play my cs" LOL
2022-04-16 14:50
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No silly hltv, the title is a question, not an opinion!
2022-04-16 13:38
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The thing which can't be compromised is zywoo. Zonic needs to give him space and positions he loves and wants to play. Without zywoo's impact, there's no way vitality can shine.
2022-04-16 13:54
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1 reply
According to Apex Zywoo Has all the freedom he Has but sometimes he s willing to entry/ sometimes he s too passive
2022-04-16 14:47
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Chill guys, ZywOo is gonna rejt everyone soon
2022-04-16 15:03
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Just imagine if Vitality management had kept the team together from last year, given the drop off from Navi, Vitality would have been number 1 in the world most likely and won several majors. Now all in doubt. Foolish decision to disband a winning team with predictable results. Whoever made that call (neo?) should be dropped just like they did shox, surely? Also must be tough for Apex and the others. I think they can rebuild to similar levels but not for some time and maybe not ever.
2022-04-16 16:09
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#235
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Portugal MR_CAL
whoooo gives a fuck about that shit overrated team
2022-04-16 16:29
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they will destroy everyone
2022-04-16 16:29
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#242
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Sweden multib
ZywOo never gonna live up to his full potential in this strange rooster. Coincidence that his stats dropped the same time new Vita came together? I think not!
2022-04-16 18:59
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2 replies
Zywoo has a goat mentality , i think he will be used to this new roster soon
2022-04-16 20:23
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#245
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United States DarkFX
Exactly! If Vitality DO NOT qualify for this major, Zywoo needs to look for a better team.
2022-04-16 21:06
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#243
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Europe Khanan
This opinion piece is unnecessary. Too soon
2022-04-16 20:22
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#246
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Mongolia zywh032
i'm so happy they play like shit
2022-04-16 21:13
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1 reply
+1
2022-04-16 21:31
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Yes, and Neo killed french scene and is a dumb and all of his fans are dumb.
2022-04-16 23:56
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"They are less disciplined than us and play by feelings." lol? And what exactly are you doing your whole CS career Apex? No difference tbh :D
2022-04-17 01:09
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I aren’t think thatz
2022-04-17 16:41
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why should we be worried its their team... You cant mix players like that on paper and have it work out in the server, specially if they dont speak English............. It's different to do an interview and/or to mingle in english its a completely different ballpark to be able to think and deliver concise thoughts while being full of adrenaline in the middle of a game, you'll die as you think, not the same in your native language while playing with people who understand you FULLY Dumb idea, probably sold a lot of shirts, i dont see them winning shit, their IGL is already crying about their playing style, its like 2 worlds meeting. I wish them the best but i dont see it
2022-04-18 14:31
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