NAF on EG: "Liquid is light-years ahead of this organisation"

Keith "⁠NAF⁠" Markovic gave his frank opinion on nearly joining Evil Geniuses in 2022 in an interview with Alex "⁠Mauisnake⁠" Ellenberg.

NAF has been one of the most consistent North American players over the past few years. Not only was he part of the Grand Slam-winning Liquid side of 2019, to this day he still regularly performs against elite European opposition. His team has not always been so strong in recent history however, as they struggled with a roster featuring Gabriel "⁠FalleN⁠" Toledo and Michael "⁠Grim⁠" Wince in 2021.

Such were these troubles that NAF nearly joined Evil Geniuses at the end of 2021, but he ultimately chose to stick with Liquid, and the latest lineup featuring Mareks "⁠YEKINDAR⁠" Gaļinskis and Josh "⁠oSee⁠" Ohm is back on an upward trajectory after a rocky start to 2023.

NAF gave a damning assessment of Evil Genuises' management

NAF sat down recently for an interview with Mauisnake to give some insight into why the team started 2023 slowly, why the 2021 lineup struggled and how oSee has helped change the tide, and what happened with his near-move to Evil Geniuses in 2022.

The interview kicked off with NAF addressing a range of historical topics, touching on the -FLY part of his tag, his approach to practice when he first started playing, his time on OpTic, and the Liquid Grand Slam win.

The discussion then moved to more recent events, starting with the Canadian providing some information as to how Liquid approached the return from the most recent player break.

"The official break would end on the 16th or 17th and we took a break all the way up until the 10th or 11th, and then played scrims for a little under a week and played BLAST," the rifler detailed.

The short preparation time would help explain Liquid's rocky showing at the BLAST Spring Groups, and he explained further by saying "we had a different mindset going into BLAST, we were like 'if we mess up here, it's not the end of the world, if we want to try new things, now is the time.' We don't want to try things at Katowice, that would be the dumbest thing ever."

Conversation then turned to oSee, and NAF provided his opinions not only on why oSee settled into Liquid well, but why the inexperienced AWPer's addition went better than that of Grim the year prior.

"When oSee first joined the team I think he was a pretty good influence, and just listening to how he would talk and the way he would bring things, he would be more confident," NAF opined. "Whereas when we picked up Grim, we said 'you're just going to play anchor roles, just listen to what people have to say.'"

Mauisnake quipped in reply "it felt like from the outside it was a shut up and don't eff this up for the rest of us," to which NAF responded "that's unfortunately how it was."

NAF went on to emphasise oSee's improvement since he joined, stating that "during the start he was more uncomfortable, he didn't have a lot of experience playing against full tier-one opponents… but as of recently he has been doing really well." He finished by saying "I think we have more oSee to see."

The final leg of the interview began with Mauisnake enquiring about NAF's rumoured potential move to Evil Geniuses at the start of 2022. Not only did the Canadian refuse to hold back as to why he turned down the transfer, but also gave a glimmer of insight as to why Liquid were so dysfunctional in 2021.

"I didn't want to play with Liquid towards the end of 2021" the rifler began. "I was having some issues with how the team was being run, how it operated at times, how some players could act sometimes.

"When I was talking to EG management… that was some of the worst management I think I have ever talked to, probably in my life," NAF continued, providing a damning assessment of the North American organisation.

"They are clearly not handling their team properly at all… I was like: Liquid is light-years ahead of this organisation and I would be an idiot to go and join this team."

To close the interview, NAF gave some thoughts as to his future in Counter-Strike, saying he holds a desire to "maybe play on a European team in the future."

"I think that would be a lot of fun," NAF mused. "You can see the inspiration with Twistzz and what he's done on FaZe, he's done a phenomenal job and I spend a lot of time talking with him… I hope one day I get to play on a top European team."

United States Josh 'oSee' Ohm
Josh 'oSee' Ohm
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1197
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.62
United States Alex 'Mauisnake' Ellenberg
Alex 'Mauisnake' Ellenberg
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
100
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.72
Brazil Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Age:
31
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1627
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.60
Canada Keith 'NAF' Markovic
Keith 'NAF' Markovic
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1667
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.63
United States Michael 'Grim' Wince
Michael 'Grim' Wince
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1001
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.69
Latvia Mareks 'YEKINDAR' Gaļinskis
Mareks 'YEKINDAR' Gaļinskis
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1197
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.70
SeriousSloth
2023-02-22 16:42
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Naaaaasty naf
2023-02-22 18:33
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guy fucking demolished EG as a whole.
2023-02-23 01:49
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NAFFERS UNITE
2023-02-24 04:45
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First and last
2023-02-22 16:42
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1 reply
ambitious
2023-02-22 20:47
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tough lol
2023-02-22 16:42
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#5
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Turkey scarlet4242
lol he is right
2023-02-22 16:42
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true, no debate
2023-02-22 16:42
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#7
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Barbados Hanes
Fake confidence. Trynna be Device so hard.
2023-02-22 16:43
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25 replies
Nobody wants to be that crybaby fraud
2023-02-22 16:45
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24 replies
Bwaaaaaah mom I hate the greatest player of all time bwaaaaaah
2023-02-22 16:47
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Sweden Rainlost
Bwaaaaaah gf broke up with me i need 1.5 years to not do anything to recover
2023-02-22 16:50
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2023-02-22 16:51
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Czech Republic drugaddictedgenius
hahahhahaa
2023-02-22 17:02
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Flag
2023-02-22 17:03
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kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2023-02-22 17:35
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2023-02-22 18:34
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kkkkkkkkk
2023-02-24 04:46
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hahahaha
2023-02-22 17:38
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lmfao
2023-02-22 17:44
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#128
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United States DrewJaru
LMAO checkmate
2023-02-22 18:29
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F A T A L I T Y
2023-02-22 18:33
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He retired.
2023-02-24 10:00
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kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk rare Pronouns W
2023-02-22 19:00
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lol
2023-02-22 19:07
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hahaha
2023-02-22 19:44
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lel
2023-02-23 05:53
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He’s outta line but he’s right.
2023-02-22 17:02
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+1 Let this be a lesson bois, no matter how successful you are, nobody wants a simp
2023-02-22 17:21
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that would be s1mple and you know it. dev1ce only won 4 majors because astralis as a whole was the best team back then. if the roles were reversed, s1mple would have won those 4 majors as well, dev1ce on the other hand..
2023-02-22 17:27
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lol s1mple won't even win a 2nd major. dev1ce won 4. One even before magisk joined.
2023-02-22 18:12
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ok and? with navi, dev1ce would have never one won. mans couldnt even get a single top1 hltv despite winning 4 majors and 2 major mvps once m0nesy wins the paris major, dev1ce wont even be top3 anymore
2023-02-22 18:42
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it's kinda dumb to ignore what device had done. Sure s1mple is your goat but I don't have a toxic douche as my GOAT, and coming from a g2 fan, monesy is not even close yet, he has 2 trophies in his locket and 1 single mvp.
2023-02-22 19:32
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W take. with s1mple old astralis could have won 6 majors
2023-02-23 11:57
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Fifflaren | 
Brazil matheuscoelho
ez
2023-02-22 16:42
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didnt read but good topic
2023-02-22 16:42
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DAILY_EG_L
2023-02-22 17:54
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Canada Milnex
holy based my sloth
2023-02-22 16:42
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He is fully right
2023-02-22 16:43
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Finland inshallah
loool EG are getting shit on even by NAF, wtf
2023-02-22 16:43
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Deserved tbh
2023-02-22 17:53
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why is that ? the only org on na that invests heavy money on dead NA scene .
2023-02-22 18:34
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Canada Cloutless
They invest money they just don’t do it well Look at Col and what theyre doing with the remnants of the old ES core.
2023-02-22 18:45
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+1 but only now... because coL made an awful management with their previous international roster and I hope they learned the lesson
2023-02-23 04:26
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North America minte
Could put more money into the NA scene if they cut GamerDoc's $100k/yr salary
2023-02-22 19:26
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+1 most useless and annoying person in esports
2023-02-24 09:46
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Thorin's video seems to be a pretty good explanation, I'm happy more people are coming out and saying how poorly run eg is, and how trash their management is
2023-02-22 22:49
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if they save that money and buy some actual super star player, instead of 3 teams of ass, maybe there's still a chance
2023-02-23 16:50
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EG so bad they saved liquid's 2019 core
2023-02-22 16:43
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Naf 🐐
2023-02-22 16:44
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Some EU org save our Sloth before it's too late.
2023-02-22 16:44
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Save ? Like astralis is dane cs rn ? Liquid is rank #3 and have yekindar and still decent elige. Cmon. Again, how does it feel to support astralis when you shit on hunden and heroic ? Hunden is now a nice guy, I suppose.
2023-02-22 16:57
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naf talking about far future at this point , obv he wont leave liquid after they builded a good system & started to perform again
2023-02-22 17:08
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I know, but he doesn't need to be save rn. But ppl like to say naf is playing with bots. I dont mind if he joins an eu team like twistz, but clearly, he is not jail to his roster. Even shox find a team after liquid.
2023-02-22 18:00
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Denmark sNju
Hunden is still an idiot. Why would that change?
2023-02-22 20:28
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I just remember Loooou was super harsh on heroic : they don't talk freely about Hunden". I just point his double standards. Astralis didn't talk much about Hunden, but it is okay rn.
2023-02-22 20:33
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But if any team can forgive Hunden is it not also Astralis considering that's who he cheated against.
2023-02-24 03:20
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True, anyway Hunden was not the only coach who cheat. He became the scapegoat. Sure, Hunden was not helping the case with his lack of PR, but gambit was doing the same sneaky stuff (hiring his banned coach as an analyst). Basically, the guy is kinda an asshole, but he is also a mastermind. So, I understand astralis decision. They really needed a fresh mindset.
2023-02-24 05:27
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Holy gigachad but accurate
2023-02-22 16:44
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GOAT speaking FACTS ONLY💯💯
2023-02-22 16:44
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NAF GigaChad
2023-02-22 16:45
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NAF speak me listen
2023-02-22 16:45
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mid-off
2023-02-22 16:45
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holy based
2023-02-22 16:45
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Dev1ce said something similar PepeLaugh
2023-02-22 16:46
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About what org?
2023-02-22 17:41
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He said NIP is 5 steps ahead Astralis or something like that,when he joined NIP
2023-02-22 17:51
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to be fair nowadays it isnt hard to be 5 steps ahead of astralis, just that in the time it was still the OG Squad so it was a weird thing to say, if dev1ce left astralis today and went to a team like mouz, fnatic or even liquid and said the same thing people would agree with him
2023-02-22 18:04
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org vs team, completely different
2023-02-22 23:23
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exactly
2023-02-23 05:54
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HLTV did EG dirty lmao
2023-02-22 16:46
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i think EG are doing themselves pretty dirty on their own
2023-02-22 19:08
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At least they’re still supporting the NA scene, unlike the pu**y call of duty orgs like Optic, TSM, EnvyUs, NRG, CLG and Misfits that left the NA scene dead real quick once shit hit the fan
2023-02-24 05:03
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#25
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Asia flipflop
savage naf
2023-02-22 16:46
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#26
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Poland Astoner55
Kassad gonna have fun on twitter :D
2023-02-22 16:47
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#28
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Because Liquid is EU org. Ofc it's better than NA org.
2023-02-22 16:47
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#29
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World waltsuu
lol its just NA thing, theres always stories about weirdest questions top american sports orgs do at predraft interviews i dont blame them tbh, its not like american esports have much to tell the world at this point either. Liquid is also pretty european in comparasion.
2023-02-22 16:48
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Liquid is a dutch based org
2023-02-24 05:04
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#30
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Brazil arcblason
Everybody is attacking eg right now.
2023-02-22 16:48
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n0thing did it like 10 years ago, sayin that eg is garbage and worst org he worked with
2023-02-22 17:03
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To be fair that was a totally different group.
2023-02-22 17:27
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5 replies
From the looks of it, not much has changed
2023-02-22 17:42
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not like CEO or key enployee changes since then lol
2023-02-22 18:17
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#131
Faceit level 6  | 
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Canada swagcrazy
the ceo did change though
2023-02-22 18:33
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Literally every employee changed. Back then EG was a pretty awesome org at least as far as orgs go.
2023-02-22 19:17
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my bad, i had complexity in mind when i said that i remember it was interview with n0thing when he joined cloud9 and he said that the difference between cloud and all other orgs that he worked with is huge cant backup my words on this, it was like 7-8 years ago, i think it semphis that said the same about coL a few monthes later
2023-02-22 21:53
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if jks starts to play bad in g2 again in the future naf might be a solid replacement
2023-02-22 16:50
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#32
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Germany Pummel
EG major winner in late 2023, mark my words
2023-02-22 16:50
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yea you're gonna be wrong dude
2023-02-22 17:51
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They just went last place in Pro League, not even in playoffs, but in groupings-
2023-02-26 00:49
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EG clown management, even NAF says it lul
2023-02-22 16:50
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ANY NAFFER?
2023-02-22 16:50
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Finland dvlx
complexity > Liquid right about now
2023-02-22 16:52
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6 replies
Is this a bait? cause if it's not, I don't know how your brain works.
2023-02-22 16:54
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Finland dvlx
not bait actually just speculating
2023-02-22 16:57
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#53
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North America minte
0/8 but got me to reply so 1/8
2023-02-22 16:58
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#57
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India vpatel_22
Anything to backup your claim ? I mean Team Liquid as a Org is doing great not just in CS but miltiple esports, definitely better than COL. Any Players have never said any negative thing about Liquid and in terms of Business, I mean revenve and all Liquid is doing far better then COL. So, what are these multiple reasons on the basis of which why are making this claim of COL > TL ?
2023-02-22 16:59
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Maybe someday. Not right now.
2023-02-22 17:00
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Turkey Joper
Liquid is probably one of the 3 biggest and best orgs. And he also said that he is enjoying playing at Liquid right now. The separation of the NAF is not likely for the time being.
2023-02-22 17:18
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Would be pretty cool to see naf on a top eu team
2023-02-22 16:52
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na goat
2023-02-22 16:52
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India vpatel_22
NAF just said what most of people already believed.
2023-02-22 16:53
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#41
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Turkey Joper
GOAT NAF. True Legend. But please dont leave liquid. I cant take it
2023-02-22 16:53
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#42
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Croatia HotCandy69
kassad is going to have a field day with this one lmao
2023-02-22 16:53
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He will give naf 1000 dollars too
2023-02-23 05:56
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Based! Fuck EG and their ESG diversity hire CEO
2023-02-22 16:54
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diversity hire and shit management. Hand in hand.
2023-02-22 17:21
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Harsh truth +1
2023-02-23 05:56
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SeriousSloth
2023-02-22 16:54
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#46
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Italy Karimk03
" i hope one day i get to play on a top European team" naf to g2 2025
2023-02-22 16:55
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#56
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Turkey Joper
no please no. He will stay liquid
2023-02-22 16:59
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#64
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Italy Karimk03
Im not the one who said that bro, he will probably leave eventually.
2023-02-22 17:02
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#69
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Turkey Joper
I never want this to happen. But we'll see, man. I will also support GOAT wherever it goes, just like I support Twistzz
2023-02-22 17:06
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Eventually do you realize he signed a three year contract last year ? Stop interpreting plz.
2023-02-22 18:02
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Italy Karimk03
So just cuz he signed a contract he wont leave the team? XD He want to play in the future in an eu team, eventually he will leave. This year will most likely still play in liquid but the next one he could leave.
2023-02-22 20:37
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I agree. I think he will look elsewhere maybe during the next year, but I doubt no one will buy him with a 2 year contract. I like NAF, he is a great player, but not many teams are paying huge buyout rn. Yekindar, last year and that's it mostly. Headtrick was probably 150K, I guess.
2023-02-22 20:41
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Italy Karimk03
Oh well idk his buyout but a team like g2 have the money to do so.
2023-02-22 20:42
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for jks. I doubt so. You have to consider who NAF can remplace. JKS for NAF, I doubt they will do it, specially how G2 is playing. For Faze, on t side, he replaces Ropz and same thing here. Vitality, it is a mix of Magisk and Spinx, Spinx just arrived and Magisk is still solid overall. Mouz, it is Xertion plus JDC. I doubt they will throw Xertion thought. OG is a mess, etc. I don't see where NAF is fitting at the moment.
2023-02-22 20:45
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Italy Karimk03
Rn maybe not but next year could be all changed imo.
2023-02-22 20:47
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True. It can change, but I think org wait until Source 2 . The scene is kinda stale, the profits are not huge as before. So, I think the massive changes will happen if Source 2 is coming (hopefully)
2023-02-22 20:49
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#47
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Kazakhstan dj_elfbar
Gigachad NAF
2023-02-22 16:55
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#48
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Brazil hugoooo
KEKW
2023-02-22 16:57
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Why leave NA for EPoo? Every time an NA team is overseas forever players cry about it. When this roster runs its course how about fine like minded NA guys that want to be the best and reside in EU.
2023-02-22 16:57
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#52
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India FosFate
kassad's time to shine again
2023-02-22 16:58
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#54
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North America minte
"When I was talking to EG management… that was some of the worst management I think I have ever talked to" Holy based
2023-02-22 16:58
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true lmao
2023-02-22 16:58
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-rain +NAF
2023-02-22 16:59
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#60
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Denmark sla1ve
PepeLa
2023-02-22 17:02
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Mauisnake’s content is top tier would highly recommend
2023-02-22 17:02
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#71
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United Kingdom fal36
+1
2023-02-22 17:07
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#67
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United States Sancler
sheesh
2023-02-22 17:04
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#68
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Brazil AWFenrir
Well, who can deny? Liquid is a much more structured organization indeed.
2023-02-22 17:05
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is EG's last year in CSGO. The entire community is shitting on them right now. Either they will change something or pull out entirely.
2023-02-22 17:06
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1 reply
Basically #90
2023-02-23 05:58
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#72
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Norway Spooderman
HOLY BASED
2023-02-22 17:07
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Liquid is light years ahead of any organisation tbf.
2023-02-22 17:08
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Turkey Joper
+111111111111111
2023-02-22 17:24
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India vpatel_22
+999999999999
2023-02-23 03:56
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+100
2023-02-22 17:10
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#76
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Germany _car
EU org > NA org
2023-02-22 17:11
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I’m fairly certain the vast majority of players in all Esports would want to work for c9 above just about anyone else.
2023-02-22 17:29
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#90
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Germany _car
Big salary doesn't mean good management!
2023-02-22 17:30
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EU orgs pay poverty salaries and treat their players like complete disposable dogshit. Fnatic, Astralis, NIP, Heroic, etc. Meanwhile Faze, Cloud9, etc. no complaints. Even Liquid has NA management 1 CEO is NA.
2023-02-24 05:13
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NA dev1ce... it's true tho.
2023-02-22 17:12
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More fuel for Kassad's fire, NAF the goat.
2023-02-22 17:21
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FRIENDLY FIRE
2023-02-22 17:24
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Kassad donated 1000$ for this statement
2023-02-22 17:32
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Straight into naf's pocket :^)
2023-02-23 05:59
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no one likes EG
2023-02-22 17:34
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#94
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Sweden turtle0
org: no team: yes
2023-02-22 17:35
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damn eg losing face like crazy this year
2023-02-22 17:36
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Shox is the reason why NAF stayed in Liquid
2023-02-22 17:40
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#101
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Brazil MulaManca
holy shit lmao
2023-02-22 17:44
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#102
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Brazil MulaManca
I just wonder with who he had problems in that Liquid line up with Fallen and Grim. I'd bet stewie tbh
2023-02-22 17:46
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No because he wanted to join stewie in eg. I think it was the drama between elige, grim and stewie
2023-02-22 18:04
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Really reflects the avg player mindset in NA
2023-02-23 06:00
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NPC comment from someone mindlessly obsessed with NA. Only Stewie2k was toxic and fighting with everyonr, like a bunch of EU players like Smooya, s0mple, etc.
2023-02-24 05:12
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Me mindlessly obsessed? eh? The time zone disparity is less here for oce-na than oce-eu, but I still dunno what you're trying to imply But I was referring to the liquid drama in order to reflect what I've heard about tier 2-3 NA players. On avg, being toxic as you have said and in general, being somewhat uncooperative.
2023-02-24 09:57
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- Botster + NAF C9 top 1
2023-02-22 17:47
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Aged well
2023-02-24 05:53
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Gotta love NAF for throwing hella shade like this lol
2023-02-22 17:48
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jajajajaja GOD NAF
2023-02-22 17:52
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#109
Faceit level 7 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Portugal dracø
cmon now, no need to beat the guy that is down lul
2023-02-22 17:54
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Kassad loving this read
2023-02-22 18:02
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Wow no kidding, great journalism again HLTV.
2023-02-22 18:03
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#117
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Korea WJSN
EG is renowned for having shit management in League aswell
2023-02-22 18:05
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EG is like that person who has good intention but his incompetence ended up ruining everything.
2023-02-22 18:07
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#119
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United States zovint
The truth of the matter is: I do not care. I do not care what the organization does, what they decide to do and what they will do. I do not care. I will still cheer for EG, even if they brought Cerq back! Now, if they sign some random tier 2-3 EU team then they will have lost a fan. But I'm fine with Tier 10 NA or Tier 1 CIS/EU
2023-02-22 18:12
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serious question: what exactly is keeping you a fan then? they seem to make all the wrong choices
2023-02-22 18:14
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#125
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United States zovint
I like to cheer for a team through its ups and downs, even if they didn't have any ups... Yes, EG is terrible right now, but I always get a good chuckle or laugh when they beat Heroic or whatever and proceed to not qualify for the major. Nothing more than that. Whenever I'm watching Tier 1 CS, I will always choose some side to cheer for naturally. That's all. Though I should clarify, I don't watch EG play Tier 2-3 Tournaments or teams. Unless it's like against BNE or Eternal Fire.
2023-02-22 18:22
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+1 For example i am biggest fan of Astralis org since 2018, i am supporting them not cause name org, but cause players. I am fan of glaive, device, xyp and i was also fan of blamef when he played in col and heroic and i like this current lineup without konfig. But eg? Only Brehze left, right?
2023-02-22 18:24
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#129
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United States zovint
I couldn't care less about the players on the team. It's cool to have Brehze and Automatic despite them not performing at Tier 1 standards right now, but unless EG is trying to become Tier 1 or at least compete at somewhat a high level, I probably wouldn't cheer for them. I like Astralis and I always cheered for them through their hardships but it's not like they were confined to just playing at a Tier 3 EU CS level, they were expected to recover and play at the Tier 1 level and that's why I still cheered for them. So, I would probably retract that Tier 10 NA statement as I probably wouldn't find anything fascinating in watching such a game. xD
2023-02-22 18:33
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#150
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North America minte
i'm confused, you still haven't given a reason why you're an EG fan
2023-02-22 19:22
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#153
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United States zovint
It’s NA, They are trying to become tier 1 or compete at a high level, I like seeing them go through ups and downs, I like their jerseys. Its rather that I naturally tend to be a fan of them and that such understandings of the reasons why are out of the capabilities of human thought.
2023-02-22 19:27
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#154
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North America minte
so why EG over coL or TL?
2023-02-22 19:28
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#157
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United States zovint
I kinda like the underdogs. It’s the same reasons above still. I still cheer for col and liquid in their respective matches but I still like cheering for EG. I feel that I am an outlier.
2023-02-22 19:35
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Can understand that, i dont remember times when i was cheering for dominant team or favorites. Ok, maybe Astralis was dominant 2018-2019, but from 2021 and 2022 we see downfall and they are already good t2 team who can win in my opinion with every team with some luck and a little bit of improvements. But its no more team who can destroy everyone. Just decent team, some people cant understand that its no more old Astralis, its only about name already.
2023-02-22 20:11
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He is trying to be quirky by watching awful counter strike
2023-02-22 22:49
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love me some good old EG bashing they definitely earned it
2023-02-22 18:12
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"Whereas when we picked up Grim, we said 'your just going to play anchor roles Shouldn't it be ''you're instead of your''?
2023-02-22 18:13
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Goat sloth spitting facts
2023-02-22 18:21
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Can't wait until all 2021 liquid players retire so they can actually give some insight on what was going on with the team at the time
2023-02-22 18:37
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any naffers?
2023-02-22 18:44
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#141
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Turkey Joper
always here it feels good to be a naffer
2023-02-22 19:02
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god naf !
2023-02-22 18:46
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#142
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Europe _Liam_
Twistzz and NAF <3
2023-02-22 19:06
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My king spitting facts
2023-02-22 19:21
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#162
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Canada JC_123
why is it always NA on NA violence my brothers
2023-02-22 19:55
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Any Naffers?
2023-02-22 20:05
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#170
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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United States admiralsid
Smoke
2023-02-22 20:22
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#172
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Brazil gu1zera
as an ORG he's right tho.
2023-02-22 20:29
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He should join ence
2023-02-22 20:33
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#202
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India vpatel_22
Why would he downgrade ?
2023-02-23 05:58
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If it was anyone else Americans would say that it was so toxic.
2023-02-22 21:01
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You are toxic. My flag checks out.
2023-02-23 22:07
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Looooooool
2023-02-22 21:07
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#185
Faceit level 8  | 
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United States illusi0n[1g]
Was on a esea main team with NAF in source and was always way better of a player than he is. Way more competitive and way better of a mindset. Everytime we lost naf would threaten the team saying he was going to quit the game. Never liked him. Funny to see this huge dork thinking he's the best player around. Complete joke
2023-02-22 22:01
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#193
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United States Locke4651
its been like 10 years brother let it go
2023-02-23 01:26
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cool fake story
2023-02-23 04:53
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#207
Faceit level 8  | 
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United States illusi0n[1g]
Not fake at all.. I even made him a css frag clip on YouTube youtu.be/OhbuCBMsIP0
2023-02-23 06:37
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that's crazy bro but who asked?
2023-02-23 10:01
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#186
Faceit level 10  | 
ZywOo | 
United States weaboo
NAF TO VITA
2023-02-22 22:08
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5 replies
#213
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Italy Karimk03
They have spinx already, they don't need him.
2023-02-23 12:27
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#221
Faceit level 10  | 
ZywOo | 
United States weaboo
sp0nx? lmao
2023-02-24 03:05
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#236
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Italy Karimk03
hltv.org/stats/players/18221/spinx?start.. He has been good so far in 2023 Just cuz he was in slump for 3 month now all of sudden he's a bad player? Bullshit.
2023-02-24 13:19
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#237
Faceit level 10  | 
ZywOo | 
United States weaboo
na hes not good enough he farmed stats in blast thats all
2023-02-24 20:33
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#238
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Italy Karimk03
He had 1, 16 rating against liquid. Not his foult that apex cant call a t side to save his life.
2023-02-24 23:00
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Common Naf W
2023-02-22 22:22
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true and bazed
2023-02-23 08:09
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GOAT
2023-02-23 15:21
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#215
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Canada ssau
Faze naf let’s go
2023-02-23 16:46
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EG KEKW
2023-02-23 16:53
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Based
2023-02-23 17:08
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Where is this. Maui’s YouTube I assume.
2023-02-23 22:06
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#230
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Albania ugoat
NAFFERS UNITE
2023-02-24 05:52
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Even naf rekt EG
2023-02-24 05:54
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