How can Heroic replace cadiaN?

We look at the myriad of options available to Heroic as they try and solve a puzzle of their own making.

Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller was HEROIC. He was their emotional backbone, the AWPer, and the tactical mastermind behind the team that defined the post-COVID meta of CS:GO.

In the wake of his departure, HEROIC have some huge shoes to fill and there are many ways to do so, just not one that is straightforward. There is no obvious one-to-one replacement, no Danish AWPing in-game leader who is capable of slotting into HEROIC with ease.

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Heroic bench cadiaN due to "differing visions for the future"

So as we put on our GM hats, we'll be taking the roundabout route. If they stick to Danish — and it seems probable that they will — we estimate that HEROIC have four realistic options:

1. Make existing player the IGL, sign a new AWPer
2. Move stavn to AWP, sign a new rifling IGL
3. Move stavn to AWP, existing player to IGL, sign a new entry
4. Move stavn to AWP, jabbi to pack, sign a new lurker

Roles have always been fairly superfluous in HEROIC, who — in cadiaN's system — required all four players to swap roles within the same round based on protocols and the situation. Rasmus "⁠sjuush⁠" Beck and Jakob "⁠jabbi⁠" Nygaard are the two extremity players on paper, but would often be part of map control or entry packs as well. That allows for more options and role combinations than our four; these are just the ones that are most likely.

Nearly all of our options feature a hefty role shift for Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund, who was cadiaN's lieutenant in both the calling and AWPing departments in the old roster and proved more than capable in both. Double AWPing has fallen out of the meta in more recent times and so he has used the gun more sparsely, but stavn got 10% of his kills with the Big Green from 2018-21 when it was more in fashion.

It is not ideal to adjust the role of your team's best player to this degree, and we have seen the likes of Mareks "⁠YEKINDAR⁠" Gaļinskis, Jake "⁠Stewie2K⁠" Yip and Denis "⁠electroNic⁠" Sharipov struggle in the transition from vice captain to full-time IGL duties.

This might be part of why sjuush has also been rumored to be an option for IGL within the HEROIC core, one that would maintain stavn as the star more easily. Still, there aren't many players who successfully made a transition to full-time AWPing in the middle of their careers, and if that is what stavn ends up doing it is inevitably going to come with some growing pains.

Option 1: A new AWPer

Stats are from all matches in 2023

Option one is the least disruptive to stavn in-game, making him or sjuush IGL but keeping the rifling structure intact. That means all we need to replace of cadiaN is his AWPing, so here is a shortlist of the best Danish AWPers.

Nicolai "⁠device⁠" Reedtz is almost certainly out of reach, forcing us to look a tier below at the likes of Asger "⁠Farlig⁠" Jensen, Nico "⁠nicoodoz⁠" Tamjidi, Philip "⁠Lucky⁠" Ewald and Frederik "⁠acoR⁠" Gyldstrand. These are all players that have had their chance at tier one and not quite grabbed it, and HEROIC should probably not be the place for them to get a second one.

The AWPers in the tier below that, the unproven ones who have never had a shot at tier one, are also fairly risky bets. Theis "⁠J3nsyy⁠" Jensen, Jason "⁠salazar⁠" Salazar, and Kristoffer "⁠Kristou⁠" Aamand will all take a long time to get to grips with tier one and are not exactly lighting up their current competition either.

But there is a stand-out here: Iulian "⁠regali⁠" Harjău. The Romanian AWPer speaks Danish, and has been the bright spark in OG's ailing roster with a 1.09 rating. He is no ready-made superstar either, but at 21 years old there is room to grow and he should be on HEROIC's shortlist.

Verdict: Only worth it for regali or device.

Option 2: A new in-game leader

Stats are from all matches in 2023

Onto option two, the first with stavn as the AWPer. This is the one where HEROIC sign a new IGL at the same time as they replace stavn's rifling firepower, a tall task.

Denmark still has a thriving tier two scene, with upcomers like Patrick "⁠Patti⁠" Larsen, Marcus "⁠maNkz⁠" Kjeldsen, and Thomas "⁠TMB⁠" Bundsbæk emerging as solid young captains. But, like with the AWPers, HEROIC might prefer more proven options, many of which are unattainable.

Benjamin "⁠blameF⁠" Bremer, Marco "⁠Snappi⁠" Pfeiffer, Finn "⁠karrigan⁠" Andersen, and Rasmus "⁠HooXi⁠" Nielsen are, as far as we know, not going anywhere. Valdemar "⁠valde⁠" Bjørn Vangså is leading TSM but only just joined. Emil "⁠Magisk⁠" Reif has captained Astralis for periods but will prove just as hard to sign as the likes of Snappi.

This leaves Lukas "⁠gla1ve⁠" Rossander as the only truly viable option. He is a four-time Major winner, the player that sparked an Astralis core know for mental fragility into the greatest team of all time. He also plays a lot of stavn's positions, liking to rotate on CT side and roam on T.

gla1ve's stock has fallen a great deal since 2020, becoming a bit of a passenger as Astralis tumbled down the rankings. But could HEROIC re-ignite the spark we know is in there? IGLs are not like star players — they should, in theory, get better as they age. If he is motivated, HEROIC could do far worse.

Verdict: Risky, but gla1ve might be the best option.

Option 3: A new Opener

Stats are from all matches in 2023

The main issue with signing a rifling IGL is the firepower deficit. If stavn moves to the AWP, the pack of HEROIC is severely weakened by any signing that is not blameFwho just renewed with Astralis through 2025.

Beyond him, HEROIC are looking at the likes of Kristian "⁠k0nfig⁠" Wienecke, Fredrik "⁠roeJ⁠" Jørgensen, and Peter "⁠dupreeh⁠" Rasmussen as tier one options in the entry pack. None have shown great form individually in 2023, but they do have the ability to shine in more favorable roles.

Unlocking k0nfig has proven a difficult task for any IGL since his days in Dignitas, but he is the option here with the most raw firepower and might be worth a gamble.

dupreeh is a serial winner, and has been rumored as a possible stand-in option for HEROIC, but is at the stage of his career where he is more of a supportive element. His signing would require jumps in performance from jabbi and one of René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen and sjuush to make up the firepower deficit.

Verdict: k0nfig or dupreeh best of a bad bunch.

Option 4: A new Closer

Stats are from all matches in 2023

The final option is one that makes use of HEROIC's riflers' versatility and puts jabbi back in the entry pack where he plied his trade for Copenhagen Flames. This lets HEROIC search for a new lurker, a position that is more stocked with young Danish talent than the entry pack. The same effect could be achieved with sjuush moving to the IGL, and the roaming pack roles that came with it.

Either way, the options here are more fruitful. Alexander "⁠Altekz⁠" Givskov did not set the world alight in his short stint in Astralis' main team but has been exceptional online in 2023 with Astralis Talent and now Preasy. His aggressive style of lurking, with high trading stats, would suit the cadiaN-style HEROIC very well.

Rasmus "⁠Zyphon⁠" Nordfoss is also an option. Like Victor "⁠Staehr⁠" Staehr, he suffered with the roster turmoil in Sprout since IEM Rio but in the new Ihor "⁠w0nderful⁠" Zhdanov lineup he has posted a 1.13 rating to remind us of his potential.

The likes of Mikkel "⁠n1Xen⁠" Borlund and Anton "⁠Anlelele⁠" Huynh are also options, if HEROIC want to gamble on even more raw talent that can be moulded as stavn or sjuush see fit.

But, one of Zyphon or Altekz would provide the most firepower out of the gate and could fit into a HEROIC system well.

Verdict: Altekz or Zyphon both viable options.

The cadiaN condundrum

We do not yet know what type of team the new HEROIC will be, but it seems likely they will keep much of cadiaN's blueprint. If they do, moving stavn to AWP could be their best option — the IGL duties will be kept in-house with stavn or sjuush, and it would be easier to get a young, flexible, rifler up to speed than a star AWPer or for the existing members to get used to a new IGL.

But, that is not the only route. Options like gla1ve or dupreeh might provide the experience and winning mentality to break through HEROIC's glass ceiling. k0nfig could provide a x-factor and some maverick starpower. regali could show us what a cadiaN system could look like with a more selfish star AWPer.

The question HEROIC will have to answer is if any of these options are better than keeping cadiaN would have been. k0nfig or Altekz could have joined as refreshers to cadiaN's HEROIC rather than as elements of a full rebuild, or they could have tried to solve their internal issues without a roster change at all.

Instead, they have ripped the band-aid off. cadiaN's time is over, and now it is time for his disciples to reform his Counter-Strike religion.

Denmark Anton 'Anlelele' Huynh
Anton 'Anlelele' Huynh
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
377
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Alexander 'Altekz' Givskov
Alexander 'Altekz' Givskov
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
492
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.65
Denmark Jason 'salazar' Salazar
Jason 'salazar' Salazar
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
238
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.60
Denmark Rasmus 'sjuush' Beck
Rasmus 'sjuush' Beck
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1017
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.64
Denmark Valdemar 'valde' Bjørn Vangså
Valdemar 'valde' Bjørn Vangså
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1319
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.65
Denmark Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1594
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.63
Denmark Victor 'Staehr' Staehr
Victor 'Staehr' Staehr
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
521
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Kristoffer 'Kristou' Aamand
Kristoffer 'Kristou' Aamand
Age:
21
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
669
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Fredrik 'roeJ' Jørgensen
Fredrik 'roeJ' Jørgensen
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1069
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.69
Denmark Philip 'Lucky' Ewald
Philip 'Lucky' Ewald
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
811
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.61
Denmark Patrick 'Patti' Larsen
Patrick 'Patti' Larsen
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
407
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.67
Russia Denis 'electroNic' Sharipov
Denis 'electroNic' Sharipov
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1469
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer
Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer
Age:
33
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
1776
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.68
Denmark Frederik 'acoR' Gyldstrand
Frederik 'acoR' Gyldstrand
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1242
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.63
Denmark Thomas 'TMB' Bundsbæk
Thomas 'TMB' Bundsbæk
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
1094
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.69
Romania Iulian 'regali' Harjău
Iulian 'regali' Harjău
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.15
Maps played:
392
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.61
Latvia Mareks 'YEKINDAR' Gaļinskis
Mareks 'YEKINDAR' Gaļinskis
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1287
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.70
Denmark Theis 'J3nsyy' Jensen
Theis 'J3nsyy' Jensen
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
571
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.62
Denmark Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1667
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.62
United States Jake 'Stewie2K' Yip
Jake 'Stewie2K' Yip
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1523
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.69
Ukraine Ihor 'w0nderful' Zhdanov
Ihor 'w0nderful' Zhdanov
Age:
18
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.19
Maps played:
376
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.57
Denmark Nico 'nicoodoz' Tamjidi
Nico 'nicoodoz' Tamjidi
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
965
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.62
Denmark Jakob 'jabbi' Nygaard
Jakob 'jabbi' Nygaard
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
968
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
2085
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.65
Denmark Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
1945
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.62
Denmark Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Age:
33
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
2197
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.69
Denmark Rasmus 'HooXi' Nielsen
Rasmus 'HooXi' Nielsen
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.85
Maps played:
969
KPR:
0.57
DPR:
0.68
Denmark Mikkel 'n1Xen' Borlund
Mikkel 'n1Xen' Borlund
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
88
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.69
Denmark René 'TeSeS' Madsen
René 'TeSeS' Madsen
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1024
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Martin 'stavn' Lund
Martin 'stavn' Lund
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1306
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Lukas 'gla1ve' Rossander
Lukas 'gla1ve' Rossander
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
1860
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Asger 'Farlig' Jensen
Asger 'Farlig' Jensen
Age:
24
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
881
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.63
Denmark Marcus 'maNkz' Kjeldsen
Marcus 'maNkz' Kjeldsen
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
988
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.68
Denmark Kristian 'k0nfig' Wienecke
Kristian 'k0nfig' Wienecke
Age:
26
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1729
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.69
Denmark Rasmus 'Zyphon' Nordfoss
Rasmus 'Zyphon' Nordfoss
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
711
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Benjamin 'blameF' Bremer
Benjamin 'blameF' Bremer
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
1095
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.60
Heroic Birdfromsky
2023-10-09 20:04
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Sjuush IGL and stavn AWP OMEGALUL TOP30 team max
2023-10-09 20:05
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#16
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Germany _car
Godfromheaven
2023-10-09 20:09
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birdfromsky is a trash :D
2023-10-09 21:36
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#120
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Canada dennek
heroic will be top3 after that
2023-10-10 01:05
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1 reply
....and then u woke up.
2023-10-10 10:18
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No one else said it so radarfromsky
2023-10-10 02:36
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Ah yes radarfromsky on lan transforms into garbagefromsky
2023-10-10 12:41
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#2
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
k1nco | 
Russia l3d4n
They just can't
2023-10-09 20:03
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17 replies
+1
2023-10-09 20:43
0
+1
2023-10-09 21:09
0
#83
donk | 
Argentina Aleeee
+1
2023-10-09 21:56
0
#87
Faceit level 9  | 
Twistzz | 
Canada PurgeIWNL
+1, Cadian was the embodiment of Heroic as a team
2023-10-09 22:05
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This /Thread
2023-10-09 22:11
0
+1
2023-10-09 22:57
0
#104
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Europe r4be
+1
2023-10-09 23:00
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#123
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Australia Beard43
+1
2023-10-10 01:11
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#144
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Czech Republic Tri_x
+1
2023-10-10 06:02
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#147
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Israel RoyBenji
Heroic made the biggest mistake of their lives
2023-10-10 06:16
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5 replies
Reminds me of kjaerbye leaving astralis for north lol It's the same level of decision
2023-10-10 09:20
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4 replies
#176
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Israel RoyBenji
From kjarbyes side right???!?!?!!!?!!
2023-10-10 11:55
0
2 replies
Yes ofc lol Imo kjaerbye leaving astrlis for north and heroic benching cadians are two of the biggest mistakes in CSGO (don't know about cs) history
2023-10-10 11:58
0
1 reply
#178
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Israel RoyBenji
Yeah 100%
2023-10-10 11:59
0
Probably he was "asked" to leave...
2023-10-10 17:54
0
+1
2023-10-10 17:40
0
#208
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10  | 
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Romania xceedw
+++1
2023-10-11 19:22
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#3
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Brazil ZerongBr
MSL out of retirement
2023-10-09 20:04
0
2 replies
+1
2023-10-09 20:15
0
+1
2023-10-09 22:33
0
#4
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New Zealand z1co_18
Lmao they cant
2023-10-09 20:04
0
lol
2023-10-09 20:04
0
#6
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Kazakhstan Ozymandius
They cant /closed
2023-10-09 20:05
0
they cant. RIP heroic
2023-10-09 20:05
0
1 reply
Sad but true
2023-10-09 22:22
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#9
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Pakistan LoOuU2
By getting some other disgraced cheater I reckon , or at least someone willing to.
2023-10-09 20:05
0
7 replies
Like who?
2023-10-09 20:07
0
4 replies
#26
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Pakistan LoOuU2
idk, whoever`s career is down bad these days and wouldnt mind turning towards unfair means in order to win along with an org that would support so.
2023-10-09 20:14
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3 replies
#54
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Korea aespa
I hope you realise how ironic it is to say that with your flair
2023-10-09 20:50
0
2 replies
The danes do like their dogs if you catch my drift
2023-10-09 22:30
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#126
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Australia Beard43
He's surely trolling lmao
2023-10-10 01:12
0
s1mple to Heroic
2023-10-10 00:37
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1 reply
#117
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Pakistan LoOuU2
would fit really well.
2023-10-10 00:39
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they can't. Heroic just nuked their entire fucking roster by choosing to have cadiaN benched. It's NaVi 2016-2017 and FaZe 2019-2021 all over again. And also Finnish ENCE.
2023-10-09 20:06
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5 replies
I'm afraid you might be on to something. Any good examples of new IGLs coming in and taking the roster to new hights? G2 maybe?
2023-10-09 22:08
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1 reply
#199
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Denmark Not_Dane
G2 and MOUZ
2023-10-10 18:00
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#153
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United States Hiro26
wdym FaZe 2019-2021?
2023-10-10 07:41
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1 reply
#164
Faceit level 9  | 
Jesus | 
Kazakhstan yTuHbIe_ucTopuu
probably refers to -karrigan
2023-10-10 09:14
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#162
Faceit level 7  | 
zesty | 
Indonesia Xaphn1x
wasn't it till 2020 or smth for faze? pretty sure karrigan is there for the majority of 2021
2023-10-10 09:05
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Dupreeh ain't that bad, FaZe is gonna disband if they don't get a lucky run at another event in the next few months, and gla1ve is a good IGL but like Karrigan just not good at the game. Though I think he and dupreeh are still the best options
2023-10-09 20:06
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1 reply
#107
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Europe r4be
i think faze waiting for cs2 major for karrigan. Maybe they respect the 2022 winnings and team mentality.
2023-10-09 23:02
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They can't, CadiaN was Heroic. Now they're just generic danish team
2023-10-09 20:07
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#15
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Czech Republic knom1s
No identity without cadian.
2023-10-09 20:08
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5. Get MSL
2023-10-09 20:10
0
they can't /closed
2023-10-09 20:10
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You forgot to mention Sl1m3, a really big danish awp talent
2023-10-09 20:11
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#20
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Bulgaria ramkain
+poizon or Cerq (flag)
2023-10-09 20:12
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2 replies
#41
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Hungary kaiNee
yeaah poizon pls
2023-10-09 20:31
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1 reply
#53
Faceit level 10  | 
s1mple | 
Bhutan testingTheories
1024x768 bb angle holder
2023-10-09 20:48
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#21
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Romania g4briela
they can't.
2023-10-09 20:13
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+gla1ve stavn awp
2023-10-09 20:13
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+juliano
2023-10-09 20:13
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They lost the only player with testo, its over.
2023-10-09 20:14
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2 replies
#151
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Russia Lessix
Lmao
2023-10-10 07:27
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Xd
2023-10-10 12:03
0
They can't.
2023-10-09 20:14
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imagine AcilioN in Heroic, least controversial team ever. also bring hunden back to IGL and TeSeS
2023-10-09 20:16
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#30
Faceit level 4  | 
donk | 
Brazil tarcinwth
Heroic Fallen
2023-10-09 20:16
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2 replies
Agreed.
2023-10-10 08:33
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That guy will milk paychecks till 40.
2023-10-10 14:02
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hunden igl stavn awp
2023-10-09 20:16
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#32
Faceit level 6  | 
Wicadia | 
Hungary Hungarian_
ah yes, regali the dane
2023-10-09 20:18
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9 replies
#37
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
gabs | 
Romania SplaXie^
oh true i forgot she speaks danish
2023-10-09 20:28
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8 replies
He does?
2023-10-09 21:26
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6 replies
Yes, he lives in denmark and thats why he is always rumoured to be joining danish teams whenever the awp role opens.
2023-10-09 21:48
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5 replies
Ty mate :)
2023-10-09 21:50
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4 replies
hltv.org/news/35788/farlig-replaces-rega.. He was even on CPHF for a time, they tried to sell him off before they went bankrupt, and brought in farlig.
2023-10-09 21:52
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3 replies
Didnt realize that ty :)
2023-10-09 21:53
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2 replies
You are very welcome, have a good evening :)
2023-10-09 21:56
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1 reply
Likewise :)
2023-10-09 21:57
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#92
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
gabs | 
Romania SplaXie^
he** wtf sorry
2023-10-09 22:13
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I think heroic has hinted towards Stavn being a direct cadian replacement both in IGL and AWP departments enough times that we should safely assume that that's what they are going to do and it would probably the least disruptive transition considering the other options.
2023-10-09 20:20
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1 reply
Fr, better to just hope it works than sign some washed player and be 10th best until the good players leave.
2023-10-09 20:45
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Option 3: A new Opener blameF that kinda killed me ngl...:D
2023-10-09 20:22
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2 replies
Entry baiter
2023-10-09 21:08
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1 reply
Well, he is also first to fight if the opposing team might be on a...let's say lower buy, that's why he also has decent opening attempts / kills stats.
2023-10-10 02:40
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#35
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Destroyer | 
Other Marauder_
they cant. They fucked up. Heroic is done
2023-10-09 20:25
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ez answer, olofmeister
2023-10-09 20:28
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#38
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United States ddown
disband best option
2023-10-09 20:28
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#39
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
gabs | 
Romania SplaXie^
But overall the answer is: they can't
2023-10-09 20:28
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#40
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Germany phillo283
Just get headtrick from nip and let stavn do IGL. This should work really Well.
2023-10-09 20:30
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2 replies
actually +1
2023-10-11 19:34
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1 reply
oh yeah, cuz they're gonna switch to English just to get HEADTRICK
2023-10-14 12:29
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#42
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England BobDude65
+gla1ve and stavn to awp is the only one that has any kind of potential tbh. All of these rosters listed are clear downgrades from what they had.
2023-10-09 20:31
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4 replies
I used to think like that too, but after reading the article, I think this one has potential as well: stavn AWP sjuush IGL Altekz lurker / br0 entry
2023-10-10 01:09
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3 replies
mf rlly said br0 or altekz
2023-10-10 02:20
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#193
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England BobDude65
Maybe but that is still a complete downgrade in firepower and for me there’s no reason to believe Sjuush can even igl at a high level.
2023-10-10 16:27
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1 reply
They both have some potential, but it is risky, I agree. As for Sjuush IGL - well, every IGL out there has started from somewhere, noone was born ready :)
2023-10-12 09:53
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#43
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United Kingdom Awesom3_
JW
2023-10-09 20:31
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#44
Faceit level 10  | 
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Finland jmoa
5. -TeSeS +AWPer +IGL who can entry
2023-10-09 20:33
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#45
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Taiwan iloviz
-teses +blitz +mzinho crydian keep crying
2023-10-09 20:33
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#47
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Armenia VirtusNo
+mertz and let him bring his radar hacks
2023-10-09 20:35
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#48
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Italy n0cturne_K
I guess Astralis can get the Danish crown once again
2023-10-09 20:41
0
best option is cadian back
2023-10-09 20:44
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#52
iM | 
Romania exrons
What if -teses +gla1ve +dupreeh
2023-10-09 20:45
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1 reply
Wondered the same question y Could work
2023-10-09 21:28
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option 1: disband and stavn + cadian to rebuild liquid. kick kekindar and the other bots cadian, naf, stavn and 2 more, easy as that
2023-10-09 20:56
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+regali stavn igl
2023-10-09 21:03
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Why is es3tag not an option for a new awp though?
2023-10-09 21:09
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1 reply
#93
B1ad3 | 
Finland n3iki
Still wouldn't be worth it. I really like es3tag but he's not the player Heroic needs atm.
2023-10-09 22:14
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#61
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Turkey ColdZer00
option 1 and 3 are so bad. stavn is not igl. for option 2, they can pick raalz for experience. for option 4, they can try zyphon or altekz.
2023-10-09 21:10
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2 replies
Hehe, I remember raalz was playing 1.6 back in 2010-2012 on a pro level, so I guess he has a shitload of experience.
2023-10-09 21:14
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1 reply
#182
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Turkey ColdZer00
maybe he is better igl on cs2, who knows?
2023-10-10 12:20
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As long as stavn gets the most important role/star <3
2023-10-09 21:20
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Bring in radarfromsky
2023-10-09 21:25
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they need a top AWPer from somewhere or its a waste of time
2023-10-09 21:29
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R.I.P
2023-10-09 21:33
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#71
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Ukraine xp_light|
We dont care about Heroic. U'd better write about Cadian's future and new possible team.
2023-10-09 21:36
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They can't. Just like ENCE could't replace Aleksib when they decided to kick him out. It all fell apart and in the end they had to rebuild with all new players and even none of them even being Finnish. Such a sad story. Now the same thing is going to happen to this lineup without Cadian, it's not going to work.
2023-10-09 21:37
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heroic will read this and make the choice according to this
2023-10-09 21:39
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#74
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Ireland Fl0werz
sign artist igl and awp ez replzement
2023-10-09 21:41
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stavn as awp kekw xD?
2023-10-09 21:49
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2 replies
#86
B1ad3 | 
Finland n3iki
Stavn is decent awper, better than any replacement they'd be able to get
2023-10-09 22:05
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Stavn = early device
2023-10-09 22:58
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cannot /closed
2023-10-09 21:53
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#81
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Russia Topper!
didnt read but they cant
2023-10-09 21:54
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#85
B1ad3 | 
Finland n3iki
None of the options are good. Stavn IGLing would be risky af and I have no clue if Sjuush is able to IGL. gla1ve also has his (most likely expensive) contract with Astralis till next summer.
2023-10-09 22:04
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#89
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Poland Michaleruw
thats the neat part, they dont
2023-10-09 22:09
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The only thing stavn should move to is Astralis
2023-10-09 22:11
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2 replies
But what if instead if that we get sjuush to Astralis instead of b0rup?
2023-10-10 01:10
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1 reply
That would also be good, but it is less of an overall upgrade of Astralis. I actually quite like B0rup, I think he has insane aim and brings some good cohesion and fun to the team. But stats wise he needs to show a little more for sure
2023-10-10 17:47
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JUGI AWPER
2023-10-09 22:14
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Heroic is no more, they are finished
2023-10-09 22:17
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Hltv stop trying to make konfig a thing. He's not a thing.
2023-10-09 22:18
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#97
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Sweden Vrede
L
2023-10-09 22:19
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are you kiddin hltv? any player is an upgrade. even boombl4
2023-10-09 22:25
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1 reply
4 Danes and a Russian, new number 1 team
2023-10-10 21:30
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I think just disband and give up
2023-10-09 23:01
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#106
Faceit level 9  | 
f0rest | 
Netherlands inf_leko
Time for the return of Xizt
2023-10-09 23:01
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#108
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
option 5. disband and send stavn, cadian and teses to fnatic
2023-10-09 23:05
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get Ihor "⁠w0nderful⁠" Zhdanov to awp stavn go IGL
2023-10-09 23:09
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1 reply
w0nderful speaks Danish!?!?
2023-10-10 01:11
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i like how they have list of players that cannot replace cadian at all
2023-10-09 23:45
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Move HooXi to Heroic plz and save G2 with Cadian I know, you think is crazy 2 AWPers in a team, but dont forget, Monesy is very good in rifle too (so he is The “Joker” of G2) and Niko is The best in rifle when he have his space. G2, kick HooXi and get Cadian when u can!!!
2023-10-09 23:59
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Dupreeh and glaive are the only two viable options here, I don’t know if this team has enough grit and drive to win without Cadian, they’re still young and he was such a huge mental influence in and out of the server, it’s like losing your identity. I genuinely feel that if they do choose an option other than the two above, they will likely end up not getting the results and ultimately disbanding. However, with that being said, what they do have in their favour however is cs2 being brand new, it’s essentially a level playing field and a new game. So it should be a lot easier to get things going pretty quickly with whatever roster they choose.
2023-10-10 00:06
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i mean if they sign washed gla1ve its done
2023-10-10 00:04
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So sad for refrezh nobody talks about him lmao
2023-10-10 00:21
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1 reply
Make up your mind. Either sad or lfmao.
2023-10-10 01:30
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#115
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United States Chuffer
they cant; disband
2023-10-10 00:32
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#118
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Indonesia ivanovky
stavn IGL + AWP but there are no star danish to replace him + altekz/zyphon maybe it can work
2023-10-10 00:45
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#125
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
they cant. its over
2023-10-10 01:11
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#128
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
im sure Heroic as an entity and brand will still exist. but not the way it was.
2023-10-10 01:14
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#131
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Brazil Bertanzin
How is blameF entry?? Wtf
2023-10-10 02:17
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Nicoodoz, Farlig and regali are good options for AWP. Otherwise, they should get a younger player like Zyphon. All of the ex-Astralis options seem like a temporary solution, so not worth it.
2023-10-10 02:23
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1 reply
regali would be a good option tbh
2023-10-10 03:13
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it's the end for heroic, you have 5 players but you bench the most important and hardly replaceable player
2023-10-10 02:35
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Allu to Heroic
2023-10-10 02:41
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Why is nobody mentioning signing Ryxxo as an option for AWPer??
2023-10-10 03:31
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you just cant replace a top 3 IGL. He may have been worse recently, but even at his worst he is still like top 7.
2023-10-10 04:13
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spoiler: they can't. just simply can't. they removed the most unreplaceable piece of the puzzle.
2023-10-10 04:17
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They can't. /closed
2023-10-10 04:52
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im surprised no one suggested dupreeh awping. He was pretty good during the period he did it, although it wasnt super long so no one really anti strat'ed or figured out his style
2023-10-10 05:08
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1 reply
when dupreeh was awpinf they went 0-3 at major
2023-10-10 07:58
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disband
2023-10-10 06:09
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Device to Falcons??? This move is undoubtedly bad for both the player and the Astralis as an organisation, with only Falcons having all the benefits which will undoubtedly be short term. Device is 28 yrs old, so he has lets say about 2-3 yrs of his excellency left, (it would have been less for other players but he has proved himself as he aced tier 1 awping even after warming the bench for one whole damned year and no competitive matches played). As Falcons is in tier 3 currently, even if zonic builds a great team with the budget that he has, it will take no less than 2 yrs to reach and consistently play all the tier one tournaments that device is currently playing in Astralis. So, by the time he is ready to ace tier one tournaments and major with Falcons, they will choose to replace him for someone else due to age. So, device will be an asset for Falcons to build a tier one team and when the time comes he will be the one to see the door with no fruits out of what he was the reason to be made. Bad move for him as he will fare much better in tier one teams like Astralis or if he really wants to change team then Heroic is there........ I hope it's not him who wants to leave Astralis........ Astralis are never going to find an awper the level of device unless of course they sign Cadian, who though, undoubtedly is nowhere as good as Device in awping capabilities, brings in an advantage of being one of the very best igl. That way blame can remain rifler and Astralis acquire a top tier igl who knows how to igl in every map rather than just 3 maps that Blamef can. But if they sign Cadian they might have to overhaul the whole of the roster which will surely not be good. Cadian style of play does not match the players Astralis has and it can be a disaster with massive changes either in play style or player changes. But i am not saying it won't work, it might. What Astralis can do though is sign Cadian as an igl and rifler as he said very well that he is ready give up one of the roles and fit in a tier one team to challenge the first cs2 major. Just think Cadian igl rifler 3rd star Blame lurk rifler 1st star Device awper 2nd star Buzz Staehr/ Borup (most probably staehr remains) With changes in the play style to how cadian will want, this team will need no less than 3-4 months to unlock and a lot of practices in all the tournaments they can play. This might still backfire as i mentioned earlier but is worth a shot as its a better lineup than current Astralis.
2023-10-10 06:16
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heroic no one can replace cadian
2023-10-10 07:18
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Get one of the boys as IGL, Sign acoR as new AWP, keep Stavn as star riffler
2023-10-10 07:22
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1 reply
acor 0/8
2023-10-10 07:55
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Just add me i can be igl entry and sniper
2023-10-10 07:38
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k0nfig?xdddddd
2023-10-10 07:51
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#157
Faceit level 10  | 
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Russia cyberneRy
But what if you abandon the role of AWP, in CS2 it is worse than in Go
2023-10-10 08:05
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Too easy. Denmark has many loudmouths
2023-10-10 08:09
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why are you so sure they'd keep the same system under new leadership?
2023-10-10 08:19
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#161
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United Kingdom 1hp1
heroic was my favorite team a year ago, but cadian became so low and coky with this dance whenever he kill somebody like he is the best player in the world, well, he is not! only after a few losses his team is ready to sell him away. CADIAN, you dancing now??? Or you got it you are just like any other person on earth and you can be replaced at any time!!!!
2023-10-10 08:48
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2 replies
No way you're English
2023-10-10 12:02
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1 reply
+1 wtf is this paragraph it's barely readable
2023-10-10 12:06
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Sad day for Heroic. Cadian was the soul of this team. Everyone here should know how big impact your state of mind is when playing. If you disagree, you have not played the game. With a good mood on the server, you can easily raise your winning percentage. Cadian was a master of this, hyping up the team, sacrificing him self, and also win ridiculous clutches to hype up the team. Bringing up the so called cheat topic... well, haters always gonna hate. It does not change his abilities on the server today, was he aware or not of the bug. I think every single top 10 team have considered how they can bring in Cadian to their team atm. No matter what team he goes to, he is a great asset, both outside and on the server. Personalities like him, makes this game worth watching. Imagine watching CS with only teams like VP. I think the scene would die in 3 months. Cadian to Liquid as rifling IGL. Then they can release the Beast YEKI again... Liquid back to top 3 team in 3 months =) Haters gonna hate!
2023-10-10 09:12
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gla1ve to igl, move stavn to awp seems like the easiest low-risk option. I would love to see altekz in Heroic though. He'd fit in well for this team.
2023-10-10 09:51
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#167
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Denmark Ksdog
Sirah eller birdfromsky
2023-10-10 10:04
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Another quality NER0cs article
2023-10-10 10:12
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All i can see is that under option 2 hooxi dominates bottigan in map win %
2023-10-10 10:54
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They can't.
2023-10-10 11:21
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#173
rain | 
Europe mames
get fallen HAH
2023-10-10 11:43
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#174
Faceit level 7 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Portugal dracø
hunden or msl is the only way luul
2023-10-10 11:45
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They can't, and it will show. stavn to AWP seems like a given to me though, he is very good with it, actually better than cadiaN, and has the potential to become an hybrid gone main AWP a la device/s1mple/ZywOo imo
2023-10-10 11:45
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#183
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
dupreeh | 
Russia auraxarr
Make a deal with Cadian, get him back to IGL and go on :) You are welcome :)
2023-10-10 12:31
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i think they should pick up cadiaN, heard he was just benched from his team
2023-10-10 12:52
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Stavn igl and awp. He is already 2nd calling in heroic and i think he learned good from cadian.
2023-10-10 13:34
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#187
Faceit level 4  | 
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Denmark PhilipJulius
glave or dupree would be a good thing for heroic
2023-10-10 13:39
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Entire analysis based on no one else leaving heroic
2023-10-10 13:46
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the thing is they can't. It will be funny when cadiaN in his new team beating new Heroic, which is surely happening.
2023-10-10 16:11
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with a new player!
2023-10-10 16:12
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#192
Faceit level 7  | 
device | 
Denmark ZaerdnaOG
Dupreeh or gla1ve on Heroic would be awesome
2023-10-10 16:19
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No, he was heroic this team is done
2023-10-10 16:35
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Aleksib
2023-10-10 17:43
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#200
Faceit level 6  | 
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Poland mich34
regali or zyphon only good options
2023-10-10 18:02
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glaive and heroic top 3, ofc mouz number one
2023-10-10 18:40
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#206
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Kosovo BobDigi
They need an awper AND an IGL tbh, so someone needs to get cut.
2023-10-11 09:48
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#207
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Sweden multib
Really wanna hear cadians side of what happened. This might be the death of a very promising team
2023-10-11 13:40
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Heroic Farlig!!!!!!
2023-10-11 19:41
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#212
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Algeria _fafaa
i think glave , Astralis i think they we'll be a new rooster cadain / device / dupreeh / blamef / buzz
2023-10-13 17:26
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altekz zyphon and regali only good options
2023-10-14 00:08
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Option #4 doesn't fix the problem, still no IGL
2023-10-14 21:03
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" can stavn save heroic "
2023-10-15 08:09
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The sad truth is, they can´t. CadiaN is Heroic, so I hope they will come to an agreement
2023-10-15 13:42
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"- The whole core has broken up" on Heroic -" There are two players left and an organization that does not quite know where it is going. Should we build a Danish team, or should we go in an international direction? Management is finding it difficult to find a solution, and it is an impossible situation." - "It has been a mess, but it has also done something for my career." - "The old Heroic team was really good, and it would have been great to be a part of. But the reality wasn't like that, and I'm just happy to be able to play a little." Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen hopes that the contract with Heroic can be exchanged for a longer one. Either with his current employer or another team, so that he can come to the major in Copenhagen in March, which in that case will be his 20th major in his career. - "The most important thing is to play in Copenhagen (Major red.). Not joining as a Danish player would be absolutely terrible" source: dr.dk/sporten/esport/dansk-esportsstjern..
2023-11-06 13:38
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