Snappi: "MR12 is a horrible tactical change and it dumbs down Counter-Strike"

The Danish captain offered up a number of alternative solutions after making his thoughts on MR12 clear.

Snappi wishes Valve explored alternative solutions to reducing match length before switching to MR12

ENCE had limited time to practice Counter-Strike 2 ahead of IEM Sydney due to a run to the semi-finals of ESL Pro League Season 18 and participation in BLAST Premier Fall Showdown Europe, the latter of which still ran on CS:GO despite some players voicing their dismay with the decision, including Nikola "⁠NiKo⁠" Kovač and Marco "⁠Snappi⁠" Pfeiffer.

"We practiced Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and then we left for Sydney on Thursday," the 33-year-od Danish captain told HLTV after his team qualified for the playoffs of the Australian event. The European combine beat Lynn Vision and fnatic in their first two Counter-Strike 2 matches despite limited practice, but even with the positive results, Snappi isn't happy with the state of the game.

ENCE's captain voiced his concerns regarding the state of the game in a post-match interview on broadcast and expanded some of those points in our interview, diving into why he isn't a fan of the switch to MR12 and offering alternatives that Valve could explore. He also touched on the difficulty in playing matches without any demos to research teams' tendencies and explained how he thinks peeker's advantage in CS2 will buff ENCE.


Congratulations, qualified for the playoffs. Not the easiest game, can you just walk me through the series from your side a little bit?

It was a really tough game, we didn't have a lot of reps on the maps. I think 2-4, and we only had 2 on Overpass and it's a map that changed a lot, so obviously we needed to convert on the important rounds. In the second round we lost a three-on-one and we lost to a full USP eco on the other one, it was obviously not good enough. The map slipped out of our hands and they played better, so that was why it became tough.

Just in general, it is a bit hard because whatever gimmicks the opponents might have, you can't know beforehand, right? In 6-12 months you have some material, some demos, whatever, you can check out the opponent and you know what to do against whatever comes, but right now you're kind of playing blind prior to the match. Like, especially on Anubis CT, they did some things that we hadn't seen before because it's a new game and we didn't know how to counter it. We will know for the next match if someone does it, but in this match we obviously didn't and then it's tough.

I interviewed NiKo a couple of hours ago, and he said something very similar about teams coming out with stuff you've never seen before. Tell me about how hard it is to adapt in-game with the amount of variety that there is right now.

It's hard to adapt for multiple reasons. It's hard to adapt because maybe you don't know the exact and right counter, and then when you know it, it's only MR12 and you don't even get to counter it in the end. Because of MR12, you only have maybe three or four real gun rounds, meaning that it is really hard to actually do a proper counter if you don't know about it beforehand.

The last time we talked to you it was just before your last EPL match, you ended up eliminated. Going out of that and coming into your next tournament as a CS2 event, what has that process been like? When did you switch over to practicing CS2 and what has your approach been like there?

We only started practicing last week. We practiced Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and then we left for Sydney on Thursday because we had the BLAST Showdown in CS:GO, so that made us have a week less practice than the majority of the other teams, maybe even two if some teams started during EPL where we obviously went to the semis and therefore didn't have time at EPL to practice CS2.

It's been short, but I think during the event and before playoffs we will be way more ready because we will have two or three more practice days, we have more time to look into some of the other teams and matches, and we have time to grind. I think we can improve a lot just before the playoffs, so I'm just happy we're there. We didn't actually have a goal, but achieving playoffs for us without any prac for us is already a success.

Let's talk a little more about actually playing CS2 here, obviously it's a little bit different on LAN compared to online, some teams have said they like it better, it's a little less peeker's advantage-based. How are you feeling?

I feel like it's similarly trash. Both are not feeling good, and the peeker's advantage is super big still. In our team we didn't really notice there is any difference from LAN compared to online, maybe I'm wrong about that, but it still feels like you have a really big peeker's advantage.

Snappi believes the peeker's advantage could be a buff to ENCE's aggressive players

You were talking about MR12 earlier and not having much time to counter teams, what has that change been like outside of just having less rounds to play?

I think it's a horrible tactical change and it dumbs down Counter-Strike. There were way more opportunities to make changes if we wanted to decrease the match times. I've said it multiple times, you could go to 1:40, 1:45 round time, which would decrease 10-15 seconds of each round, and I think that makes for faster and more fun and more explosive Counter-Strike.

You could decrease the amount of timeouts to two or three, which would also take out one or two minutes of a map. You could then also take out five seconds of freezetime, that's two-and-a-half minutes over the course of 30 rounds. All of these small things add up, also decreasing the bomb timer to 35. In total, you could probably decrease the maps by eight or nine minutes, and I don't understand why we didn't do that before we changed it to MR12. I think a lot of people were yelling and yapping about it, and therefore this change happened without actually thinking about the consequences.

Because I do think that one of the big things is that good, tactical Counter-Strike is also about adapting to your opponent but now there are only 12 rounds. When you actually a lot of the time read the pattern and do the good calls is from round 11-15, but those do not exist anymore, and therefore I do think that Counter-Strike should actually consider some of the changes that I'm saying rather than changing to MR12. I know it's not going to happen, that is over, but I do think we have dumbed down Counter-Strike.

Something that NertZ mentioned [at EPL] was that he thought ENCE could be better than Vitality in the near future. Vitality are obviously eliminated now, you're in the playoffs, how are you feeling about that potential now?

I don't really compare ourselves to other teams, but I did think we have a lot of potential in CS2, especially with the peeker's advantage. We have a whole team of aggressive players that like to swing, and that works in our favor that a lot of our players, especially a guy like Maden, is probably getting buffed.

So, I would say that a lot of the changes that have been done in terms of the peeker's advantage is to ENCE's advantage [laughs], but I'm not sure it's a Counter-Strike advantage.

Going into your next match, it'll be a chance to qualify straight to the semi-finals. You'll also be able to play in the arena in Australia no matter what, how are you feeling about both of those things?

I feel amazing about playing in the arena, I saw videos from some of the other years at IEM Sydney and it seems like the Australian crowd is amazing. Also, it's good that we're playing G2 now in the quarters because then we don't face them early on in the arena, because I obviously think jks is going to have all the fans on his side, right?

I'm just looking forward to playing in the arena, we came in with no expectations and we're super happy and super excited that we're in the playoffs. We're going to enjoy the experience of being in that arena, every arena is a nice experience for the team so for that we're super excited.

Denmark Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer
Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer
Age:
33
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
1780
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.68
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.15
Maps played:
1799
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.66
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2023-10-17 14:46
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WORD
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no cap
2023-10-17 14:51
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#139
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Czech Republic Fugabarba
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2023-10-17 15:54
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Expected, true words coming from a man who is not afraid to say it
2023-10-17 17:52
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as if there any repercussions
2023-10-20 09:33
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finnaly someone said it
2023-10-17 15:32
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#232
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United States Chuffer
no, not finally. people have been crying here for the past 5 months… I don’t think valve values the opinion of a player more than the average person here
2023-10-17 17:04
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i know but finnaly someone started mentioning MR12 again, and how it destroyed depth of the game. all went silent on this..
2023-10-17 17:19
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Goated , couldn’t agree more with him. Finally someone had the balls to say the truth, MR12 is trash and they could’ve reduced maps time in like 8-10min without ending the MR15 era
2023-10-17 15:57
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#375
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Europe yommamas
shorter rounds and bomb timers are infinitely more retarded
2023-10-18 11:52
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Games were shorter pre 2015 due to that and nobody ever complained
2023-10-18 14:17
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#413
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Europe yommamas
Yes they were, that's the reason they fixed it
2023-10-20 08:22
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Games also used to be mr12 back in the day, and they fixed it with mr15
2023-10-22 12:12
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#433
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Europe yommamas
It was obviously an experiment if they returned to MR12
2023-10-23 09:04
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true word based he is right
2023-10-17 16:24
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BASED
2023-10-17 19:45
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#2
Faceit level 10  | 
n0thing | 
Czech Republic sajmonzii
Word
2023-10-17 14:46
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Australia boblao
Word
2023-10-17 14:46
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ofc the 33 year old says this lmao
2023-10-17 14:47
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? He was probably around when CS was still played on mr12, so he has experience on both ends.
2023-10-17 14:49
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the economy is utter shit. if ts plant but lose pistol they still have better guns and if they win second round with the 1.4k reset CTs will likely be down 3-1 just from one round. Having to eco once and then have a shitty buy or going for one eco and a half buy afterwards just to get a healthy full buy is retarded. because of mr12 it's literally worse than the old eco when you had full reset after one loss. having a single round dictate almost 20% of the match is ridiculous
2023-10-17 15:10
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Why the fuck valve won't give us 1900 first lose bonus. I don't get it.
2023-10-17 15:18
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that means we would have only 4 loosing streaks max bcuz otherwise you would get 3900$ on fifth loss
2023-10-17 16:29
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Which would make sense with MR12 right lol
2023-10-17 17:22
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+1
2023-10-18 04:21
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Yeah? How is this bad
2023-10-17 18:30
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never said? i was just pointing something out, without saying if its good or bad
2023-10-17 19:48
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replying to a question implies the reply is an answer to it
2023-10-18 07:40
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im sure #75 was also just pointing out and not asking
2023-10-18 15:18
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good because if you are on a 5 round loss streak you can already quit the game pretty much.
2023-10-17 18:39
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then just have 4 instead of 5
2023-10-17 19:18
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I agree, they should increase first loss bonus so if u lose force u can go eco and have a decent buy in the next round
2023-10-17 15:20
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#376
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Europe yommamas
He is just trying to stay relevant he is at the end of his career
2023-10-18 11:52
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Dumb af comment.
2023-10-17 15:18
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And even if he was 60 y/o he still got valid points.
2023-10-17 15:22
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#112
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Belgium Jonasba
He's actually one of the only pros with real constructive criticism. He's made suggestions about what they could change instead of MR12 to make the games shorter, and he's also made suggestions on how to fix the economy for MR12 specifically.
2023-10-17 15:38
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#358
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donk | 
Poland Hellp3r
True, simply because he is a smart guy, not only pure hours of gridding.
2023-10-18 04:00
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#124
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China Mahiro
Flag
2023-10-17 15:45
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I don't think his age is relevant here
2023-10-17 15:48
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dumb comment
2023-10-17 17:07
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Of course the American uses this 'argument'.
2023-10-17 17:23
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no need to be racist
2023-10-17 18:09
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You're right my bad
2023-10-17 19:05
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Is american a race?
2023-10-17 22:44
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the dumb ones are
2023-10-17 22:53
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#5
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England naDalous
Based
2023-10-17 14:47
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Yeah it's horrible because of the actual economy, you can't change the games length without tweaking the economy.
2023-10-17 14:47
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1900 start bonus and it would be just as good as mr15
2023-10-17 14:59
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Why is Snappi always crying about something ? He never seems to be happy
2023-10-17 14:47
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#41
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Norway strb
ikr... So he can be relevant in discussions i guess?
2023-10-17 14:57
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I think he has a really based take on everything. He is criticising what he feels is bad about MR12 but also gives alternative solutions (which 98% of HLTV users are not capable of). And he criticises the peekers advantage but is aware that it is up to his team to use this to their advantage. Everybody is on the same playing field after all, and if it is that bad, just use it to your advantage. How is that crying? That is super based and practical thinking. He's giving constructive critique, alternative solutions and accepts that the argument is lost and they have to adapt in order to win. How is that not based but crying in your opinion? I'm interested in your take.
2023-10-17 15:15
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Alternative solutions part is big. Pointing out issues is obviously important in feedback cycle, but suggesting solutions both has a positive impact on how issue reports are perceived and allows the dev team to get a bit of an extra sneak peek into available options. Both sides are just human, sometimes the most obvious solutions slip through. And if nothing else, it further proves that person in question cares.
2023-10-17 16:41
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#377
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Europe yommamas
yes, but the alternative solutions are way worse than MR12 ever will be
2023-10-18 11:53
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but he's right
2023-10-17 14:58
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Maybe for you
2023-10-17 15:00
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Not only for him
2023-10-17 15:01
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He's right though
2023-10-17 15:54
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#321
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Albania ugoat
MR12 is only good for casual gameplay it’s honestly trash for spectating
2023-10-17 19:51
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I disagree
2023-10-17 19:52
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#342
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Albania ugoat
Which is fine but you’re definitely in the minority. There’s a reason they made the switch to MR15 in 1.6 and then stuck with it til cs2 came out. It was more competitive and in turn more fun for spectating.
2023-10-17 22:15
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Sure, I don't mind being in the "minority", means nothing to me
2023-10-17 22:17
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#346
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Albania ugoat
Certainly nothing wrong with being a minority opinion but what do you like about MR12 as a spectator?
2023-10-17 22:38
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- Faster games, I don't have to sit 1 hour for a single map - Players getting less tired and CS level will most likely be higher if they don't get as tired - Every decision matters a lot more as you don't have as many rounds to get back into the game - BO5 games become more viable Probably more but I can think of these real quick
2023-10-17 22:40
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#359
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donk | 
Poland Hellp3r
1 and 3 - That will make games far more random, if you cant stand an hour of cs just dont watch it. 2 - Guys that are getting payed 10k's euros a month with 20k game time arent tired of it, trust me 4 - Bo5 isnt needed anyway, bo3 mr15 makes more sense imo.
2023-10-18 04:04
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Stop crying bro
2023-10-18 10:51
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#382
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donk | 
Poland Hellp3r
Tik tok generation cant stay focused for an hour, nothing new.
2023-10-18 12:28
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That's definitely what's going on here bro, you solved the mistery
2023-10-18 12:29
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+1
2023-10-18 15:17
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+1 Thinking players getting tired, while gn2 noobs playing 8 hours a day without getting paid.
2023-10-21 13:51
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Correct_Dutchman
2023-10-18 10:08
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#174
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Czech Republic knom1s
+1
2023-10-17 16:20
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Criticising the current state of the game isn't crying, it's criticising.
2023-10-17 16:24
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Why are you always exaggerating, you seem unable to state things as they are?
2023-10-17 17:45
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he is just being based
2023-10-17 19:19
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#367
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
donk | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo
Criticizing an obviously faulty and bad system isn't crying. Just tells it how it is.
2023-10-18 08:48
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Cook idolo
2023-10-17 14:47
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Brunei Im_new
+1
2023-10-17 14:47
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mr12 sucks
2023-10-18 00:25
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I think they gonna give MR12 few more chances next events then return to MR15 I agree with Snappi, MR12 fucks the game entirely
2023-10-17 14:48
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nah, Valve is likely never returning to MR15. At best they'll inevitably rework the economy.
2023-10-17 14:49
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Rework the economy is also a good solution tbh, but they must do something that's for sure.. current MR12 sucks
2023-10-17 14:50
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I mean tweaking economy helps a bit. But the amount of rounds is still so low. And im not sure how they can fix economy without making it irrelevant. So again the issue is MR12 :D
2023-10-17 14:52
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imo they need to lower the importance of pistol rounds. i mean it should be part of cs that you start with pistols but its really hard to come back as CT if you lose pistol and the first weapon round. idk if its better to lower prices for weapons like the famas or to increase the loss bonus.
2023-10-17 17:15
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MR12 is retarded , turns BO1's into coinflip matches.
2023-10-17 18:01
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Bo1s should be abolished after this anyways.
2023-10-17 18:03
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I dont think they're ever gonna return to MR15, Valve dont usually listen to community
2023-10-17 19:22
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gigachad snappi always speaking the language of truth
2023-10-17 14:48
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This is something I have complained a lot about MR12. MR12 has way too few rounds (especially gun rounds) to actually adapt and counter opponent.
2023-10-17 14:49
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#339
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United States PhilMC
It wouldn't be a problem if volvo tweaked the economy to adjust for mr12
2023-10-17 22:01
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gigachad snappi like always speakign the language of truth
2023-10-17 14:49
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Just admit you don't like adapting to changes 33yo boomer
2023-10-17 14:49
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2023-10-17 14:56
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#127
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China Mahiro
Ok zoomer go back to fortnite and valorant tiktok
2023-10-17 15:47
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another sad show from the polish pride... you should think before talking my friend
2023-10-17 17:10
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Ah yes 33yo so his brain must be rotten already, it's not like hes in the prime of his life with the maturity and experience needed to give good input about his literal job
2023-10-17 17:36
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#337
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Belgium ibrahim689
atleast he accomplished something, you're just a basement dweller living off your parents with 0 achievements KEK
2023-10-17 21:49
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My pp 17.3cm tho KEK KEK KEK
2023-10-17 21:52
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#360
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
donk | 
Poland Hellp3r
Example of future tik tok generation...
2023-10-18 04:06
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Not a big fan of tiktok, you?
2023-10-18 08:14
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#380
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
donk | 
Poland Hellp3r
Im not a fan of retardness.
2023-10-18 12:26
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#378
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Europe yommamas
+1, his alternatives are infinitely more shit. He is trying to act smart when he is an R word
2023-10-18 11:54
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Couldn't ESL/BLAST etc. change the maxround if the pros were overwhelmingly in favor of having mr15? Or does Valve absolutely have to force everything onto both casuals and the professional scene? Valve is hardly a good source for structure in the professional scene, which is also why they are so hands-off.. which they should be.
2023-10-17 14:49
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They likely can't change it. Have to stay the same for both casual and pro play. It'll be the same as the coach restrictions that they did many years ago where they could no longer de-facto IGL. And Im pretty sure ESL and BLAST have to obligate by Valve rules for tournament hosting except the format where they're free to do as they please, except also modifying game format like MR.
2023-10-17 14:53
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That's actually stupid. It's fine that they determine a lot of the rules for majors, but why do feel they suddenly have to impose on the ruleset on everything? I think the most ironic part is that HLTV's article mentioned Snappi in particular as an example of why mr15 can be unfavourable.
2023-10-17 14:56
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#147
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Finland Zzzjee
I think they can change these rules but nobody would attend a event with completely different system like mr15 instead of mr12, or nobody is gonna have six players in their team if they cant use it at the most important tournaments in the year
2023-10-17 15:58
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The point would obviously to be to get all of the TOs to change the rules, based on feedback from the players aka associated organisations. That would be an ideal goal for something like CSPPA.. but I guess that doesn't really exist anymore.
2023-10-17 16:12
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#229
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United States Chuffer
I think valves influence in outside to’s isn’t a horrible thing.. I mean it is their game afterall. Everything should remain the same between all tournaments, and no team wants to miss out on $1m from valve twice a year. If valve were just completely hands off, cheating and match fixing in the pro scene cold be would be more prevelant etc
2023-10-17 17:02
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Rather silly and obviously a take from a relatively new user in the community. Valve has ALWAYS been hands-off when it comes to CS. Historically, the only times where they try to incorporate specific rules are regarding majors.. that's about it. And we were better off because of it. It took them AGES to do anything about skin gambling, which was the only major thing that could land them in legal trouble. Valve doesn't want to lift a finger unless it's something that can hurt their revenue.. and now suddenly they think they are any good at balancing the game and imposing rules, which has never been true.. not even remotely.
2023-10-17 17:05
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#240
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United States Chuffer
it’s not 2012 or 2008 anymore… I’m sure they have a reason for doing this, and it’s not because they think it is the “right” thing to do… there must be some sort of profit they can make of us this move, whether it be refreshing the format or whatever. tbh I don’t really like it, I liked csgo more and haven’t played much cs2 but I just think people should give it more time. Snappi has played what 2 official games? And already saying it’s the worst thing in the world? I’m sure they’ve practiced and stuff but I think this opinion could be made in 3 months and I would take it much more seriously. I don’t even think he’s necessarily wrong knowing what I know now, but we don’t know everything.
2023-10-17 17:09
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#227
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United States Chuffer
they technically can, but I think dividing it is a horrible idea. but also like you said valve could punish them by not letting them host a major
2023-10-17 17:00
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that or probably outright revoke their license to host tournaments.
2023-10-17 17:03
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#235
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United States Chuffer
there are licenses like that wtf? I guess it makes sense for them to use valve ip like logos and stuff… but really you need a license to host a tournament?
2023-10-17 17:05
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yes you do. Big tournaments like these need a license to host. And TOs like ESL and BLAST need these licenses to host and also must follow guidelines as well, or Valve will revoke them and no more tournament hosting for them, which ofc is something they absolutely can't lose since they're at the mercy of Valve and CS is important for them.
2023-10-17 17:15
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#244
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United States Chuffer
Wow, I guess that makes sense but it’s interesting to me I found the application website, it doesn’t even show CS2 yet lol.
2023-10-17 17:14
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eh, it'll show after a while.
2023-10-17 17:15
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They can change it, just won't do so because the whole point is to play leading up to the majors. And most importantly every TO wants to host them.
2023-10-17 17:39
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Even if they change it, majors will be MR12, so pros will have to play an entire different game during majors compared to rest of the year
2023-10-17 19:23
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I find it hard to believe Valve would be so delusional and stubborn for no reason to keep majors at mr12 when everything else would have changed back to mr15, since it's what the professional circuit wants. It would not only be downright stupid, it would make people think that the major is a joke. I don't really see it as a valid argument. Valve shouldn't be in charge of the ruleset of the game in any way, other than what fits with their own TOS or whatever. The specific rules of rounds, and any other sort of specifics on the server, should simply not be determined by Valve. The entire reason why CS is popular in the first place are because the community have been agreeing on these sort of things since fucking 20 years ago.
2023-10-17 20:19
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It isn't about Valve enforcing the rules, it is about casuals and pros having the same experience. For example, this is why every TO uses the same mappool - the one Valve dictates. So every spectator can play the current maps on ladder. But even if this wasn't the case: I promise you, Valve would be delusional enough, because Valve has basically fucked up everything they touched since the release of CS:GO...
2023-10-18 13:03
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#19
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Poland Broken_BS
I don't think he has a bad take. U could react to How your enemy played, with only 12 rounds per half u get Little time to patch your problems and pistols are super important
2023-10-17 14:49
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atleast tweak economy dumb volvo
2023-10-17 14:50
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I think we need MR20 in order to be more tactical less impact pistol rounds will have. Also add in bo9 for good measures.
2023-10-17 14:52
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on god
2023-10-17 14:52
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#27
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Rwanda 7hai
thats probably why it was changed from mr12 to 15 in the first place in older cs..
2023-10-17 14:52
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9 replies
+1
2023-10-17 15:20
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+1
2023-10-17 15:23
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1.5/1.6 economy was made for cs_ maps, nothing alike
2023-10-17 16:20
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#193
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
910 | 
Rwanda 7hai
rofl ok, i hope you know nobody played cs maps competitvely after freaking beta.
2023-10-17 16:39
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4 replies
EXACTLY, FUCKING STUPID, the economy was trash because it was made for cs_maps i'm not 13yo like you
2023-10-17 17:44
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Economy and ammo was tweaked in the beta 4 patch which released with maps like de_dust and nuke and several new weapons so what you're saying is quite literally untrue. Loss bonus was also tweaked several times in patches after that. And yes, that was obviously long before 1.5 and 1.6. Nothing dramatic was altered in those later patches regarding the economy.
2023-10-18 13:33
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there's the only change made after that shaGuar bigass article, the rest was same shit and everybody had 3-0 guaranteed. January 15, 2004 • The winning defensive team now gets the same amount of money whether they win by round timeout or not ($3250 instead of $2000) • Players on the offensive team who survive the round due to a round timeout no longer receive money the next round
2023-10-18 13:34
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I forgot about those, but they were very welcome changes indeed. Would be ridiculous for a scenario where the Ts would win the economical game by hard-saving instead of getting a bonus from a bombplant.. and the punishment for saving in general as the losing team. You're kinda defeating your own point with that, though. Saying that the economy in 1.5 and 1.6 was based on cs_ maps is just a dumb assumption which is clearly not true.
2023-10-18 13:39
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They also reduced the round timer from 3mins to 1.55 or 1.45 And I know for a fact the bomb timer was 35 seconds in 1.6 mr15 So yeah, a bit to the point snappi made, change some timers and u can have mr15, which is natural for CS
2023-10-17 17:42
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#30
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
"MR12 IS A HORRIBLE TACTICAL CHANGE AND IT DUMBS DOWN COUNTER-STRIKE" *copied from the thread title* Echoing my same sentiments from when it was first announced...
2023-10-17 14:52
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15 replies
+1
2023-10-17 14:55
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#52
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
910 | 
France pheno71
+1 We're a lot to feel that way, hopefully pros saying it out loud will move things
2023-10-17 15:02
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#82
donk | 
Argentina Aleeee
Well, the pros were the ones who started whining about the length of the matches acording to valve so, it wouldnt make sense to change it back, though i hope so
2023-10-17 15:20
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That was mainly for BO5 complaints but even so, I would rather have teams duke it out for as long as it takes as opposed to potentially nerfing possible comebacks. I can understand time constraints all the same, though. That's just my take - going MR12 won't automatically fix those complaints either.
2023-10-17 18:47
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Why do you think so, friend ?
2023-10-17 15:02
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Just because I remember MR12 when it was first a thing and I didn't like it then, it wouldn't work now without completely restructuring the entire economy system. It has some benefits but the downsides outweigh the upsides, in my opinion.
2023-10-17 18:30
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+1
2023-10-17 15:21
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If u didnt say it i wouldnt guessed u copied from thread title
2023-10-17 15:24
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+1, i would’ve never understood
2023-10-17 17:23
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That was to reiterate the fact that it was in all-capitals.
2023-10-17 18:28
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#162
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Bulgaria ramkain
+1
2023-10-17 16:07
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Snappi copied jonty. Regards
2023-10-17 17:23
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1 reply
Not at all but I was very anti-MR12 when it was first announced and I definitely wasn't the only one either. If it is here to stay, Valve will need to accommodate the changes.
2023-10-17 18:31
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+1
2023-10-17 17:42
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jonty w
2023-10-17 19:26
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#31
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Russia Topper!
Agree
2023-10-17 14:53
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#32
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Greece Panesito
Valorant tier 1 teams adapt to tactics in MR12 since the start of that game. I am sure CS tier 1 teams can adapt as well. Instead of spending time whining about how bad is MR12, they should start adapting to MR12 instead. You get paid by this game, it's your job. Adaptation is key in any job that does major changes, if you can't do that then being a CS professional isn't the right job for you, and to be honest, nothing else would be.
2023-10-17 14:53
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what kind of adaptation can be done there? did you even read his reasoning?
2023-10-17 15:00
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#62
Faceit level 10  | 
Bulgaria sn0wcs
You read the title and nothing more. Valorant has different economy and different prices for most things you buy. This is exactly his argument that it could be better and there were more than one solution.
2023-10-17 15:08
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#63
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
pava | 
Brazil d1rk
And lets be hones, valorant is way more difficult to addapt fast, have 100 ways and skills to do things. MR12 is good, is faster, you can watch more games, you can play more games, 99,5% of ppl that play counter strike are amateurs and play for fun, so just get used to it.
2023-10-17 15:08
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#131
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China Mahiro
Frfr no cap we should have UAVs and air strikes next
2023-10-17 15:48
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Man you make really good points, this should be mr9 actually, play more games watch more games
2023-10-17 17:45
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4 replies
nah lets make it mr3, just a pistol round, an eco round and a gun round with not so much utility is more than enough. You can even watch like 10 matches in a day
2023-10-17 19:30
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3 replies
Let's not get CRAZY here
2023-10-17 19:31
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#394
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
pava | 
Brazil d1rk
You can cry until your tears dry out, that will not change the fact that MR12 is faster and you can play and watch more games in less time, so just get used to it.
2023-10-18 14:47
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MR3 is even faster bro why not make it MR3
2023-10-18 17:34
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I am an amateur that plays and watches for fun , i hate MR12.
2023-10-17 18:34
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#393
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
pava | 
Brazil d1rk
But you are a kid and propably have the more expensive skin as a 10 usd. People that had to work and play this game to have fun after a long a day will prefer MR12.
2023-10-18 14:37
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Yeah no , i'm actually working full time and i don't even play/ watch cs everyday . Playing mr12 is ok but watching mr12 is ass. If they would make mr12 for premier and mr15 for pro play that would be a good change imo.
2023-10-18 16:03
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You can also probably adapt to steering your car with your ass cheeks, that doesn't make it a good idea.
2023-10-17 16:15
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Valve, plz listen to this guy
2023-10-17 14:54
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#35
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Peekers advantage is a good thing for CS in my opinion (appreciate I'm not a professional). It encourages fast play and chances to be taken. There is nothing more boring than playing/watching a T side on a CT biased map getting dominated by crossfires and nerdy angles. I'd rather see the T side dominate.
2023-10-17 14:55
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#44
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Also, he's basically admitting ENCE couldn't adapt to things they hadn't seen before because they hadn't practiced or learned the game. In time everyone will know everything and people coming up with new ideas should be rewarded with wins.
2023-10-17 14:58
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#57
Faceit level 10  | 
Bulgaria sn0wcs
Exactly for that reason you should not have an opinion. T side dominance definitely makes it more fun for casual/non-pro play, the pace is higher and it's definitely more fun. But from Snappi's professional point of view where money is at stake it makes it a lot more random. Imagine a game like texas hold'em poker but you only saw one of your cards instead. This would lower the skill level despite making it more appealing.
2023-10-17 15:06
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#96
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
I have played CS for 20 years so I do know what I like to play and watch, therefore I am entitled to an opinion. Whether that's weighted as much as Snappi's in the eyes of valve is another matter. Also, just because something is "fun", such as fast paced executes or rushes, doesn't mean it isn't a professional way to play. FURIA had this style before fallen joined and it was often exciting to watch. When the format is BO3, there are plenty of rounds to beat your opponent skilfully and tactically.
2023-10-17 15:30
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#144
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Romania Chop31
It's your mother language, yet u misunderstand. U can have fun being professional, but u can't be professional by having fun. They can't have fast paced executes and rushes round after round, ct's will counter them after 1-2 attempts. And saying that in BO3 there are enough rounds is nonsense. You have to think map by map. Nothing that happened in the first map will matter in the second one and so on. If u manage to read ur opponents' strat for the last 2 rounds, maybe you'll have no money to counter. But all of that won't matter in the next map. They simply need more time / gun rounds to figure out opponents strats FOR THE MAP THEY ARE CURRENTLY PLAYING.
2023-10-17 15:56
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#187
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
I understand what you are trying to say. Professionals can still be fun to watch. MR12 does not spoil that. Counter-Strike is a far simpler game than we give pros credit for. Winning duels is 90% of it.
2023-10-17 16:31
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10 replies
Lmao 20 years down the drain
2023-10-17 17:46
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#277
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Haha do you think I’ve been playing cs solidly during that time? I’ve got a wife and kids mate ;)
2023-10-17 18:01
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8 replies
What I actually think is that u barely touched the game during those 20 years. I appreciate the enthusiasm during this new release and all but stay in your lane
2023-10-17 18:33
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#312
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
"stay in your lane" haha you weasel
2023-10-17 19:34
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6 replies
#361
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
donk | 
Poland Hellp3r
What was ur csgo elo?
2023-10-18 04:11
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#370
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
I was GE on MM early days and only faceit lvl 8 but I only play with friends and we are average lvl 2/3. We play twice a week just for fun before you judge my entire knowledge on that haha CS2 ELO 13k
2023-10-18 09:58
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4 replies
#381
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
donk | 
Poland Hellp3r
After 20 years? That clearly shows that you dont learn.
2023-10-18 12:27
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#385
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Nope, it shows I play with friends with an average faceit rank of 3 and we play for fun. My “personal” leetify stats are all high, aim, utility usage etc
2023-10-18 12:38
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#402
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
donk | 
Poland Hellp3r
Since 3-4 years i only play at weekend, not going above 30hrs on steam, i started with cs 1.5 at net cafes when i was 8. 20 years later, my aim is not the best, but i know the game good enough to easly get 3k csgo elo (2.5k in cs2).
2023-10-18 20:17
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#403
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
I’m happy for you. But I do understand the game despite you thinking I don’t haha
2023-10-18 22:29
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#279
Faceit level 10  | 
Bulgaria sn0wcs
You're conflating different things that have nothing in common. Pros did not play slow in CSGO with the occasional fast round because it was the professional way to play. They played like that because it gave them the highest percentage chance of winning the round. FURIA never won a relevant tournament for that exact reason. You also made an assumption that "Winning duels is 90% of it." That just isn't true and it works on lower levels of play but is so far from the truth at the highest level I'm kinda shocked you've played CS for 20 years and still believe that. If that was the case the most insane aimers and puggers would all be pros and we would not have 25+ year old players in pro teams. I don't want to argue with you but it feels like you are in favour of CS2 changes because you just want change, while Snappi doesn't want change for the sake of change but rather well thought out changes that affect the gameplay differently.
2023-10-17 18:01
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And how many tier 1 events did FURIA win with that playstyle?
2023-10-17 19:33
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#36
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Bulgaria ramkain
11/10 GOOD TAKE SNAPPI!!! EDIT: I can't make myself watch a single cs 2 game in this format. Sadly, it makes me feel as if the mr15 of cs:go was just waste of time (which it isn't, because the true emotion, that kept me watching next match was in mr15 and is absent in mr12). Just my opinion on the matter.
2023-10-17 14:57
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+1 I didn’t watch a single match yet and it’s not because of the time zones
2023-10-17 15:34
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I watched and it's not very good. Mostly one sided maps. Some fake comebacks. No one really cares. Just feels like they know they'll be out of there quick and not play too long so they don't try their best. Maybe the crowd will change it but yeah.
2023-10-17 17:49
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1 reply
Maybe, Australian crowd has always been one of the best so I have high hopes tbh
2023-10-18 08:01
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Words of wisdom
2023-10-17 14:56
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#40
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Japan no_u
I think changing to mr12 will incentivize teams to adapt faster thus leading to teams learning more and getting better at the game. But i also could see it fail. So i think it's worth waiting a few events to see how it goes.
2023-10-17 14:57
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Eventually it will become the norm, even if it never becomes good. For me personally I like the switch because the games take less time and like he said it isnt as tactically taxing on my brain. I am completely aware that the things I like about it are horrible for the pro scene. (The reason I like it is because getting off work/studying later in the day, I hated that I only had time for 1 or 2 games of Csgo, but if I am lucky I can pump out 4 CS2 games in what it would've taken me to play one overtime CSGO game lol) I hope it switches back to MR15 or at least the change something about MR12 to make it feel more competitive
2023-10-17 17:02
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#43
Faceit level 4  | 
hallzerk | 
United States ElementalFour
Snappi W, mr12 is disgusting
2023-10-17 14:58
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Of course it is. Sometimes im not even warmed up and match is ended xd I can play dm one hour, im feeling great, but when i join server my hands are cold af and i need usually 20-30 rounds to feel comfortable and not stressed.
2023-10-17 15:00
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#98
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
That's where map 2 and 3 come in..
2023-10-17 15:31
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6 replies
Map 2 may be the opponents' pick.
2023-10-17 16:05
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#186
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Do you really think "map pick" has that much impact? once the team has removed their worst maps it's pretty level
2023-10-17 16:29
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4 replies
I once in your hopeless situation encampment!
2023-10-17 16:54
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2 replies
#208
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
This week on... "when google translate goes wrong"
2023-10-17 16:54
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1 reply
Please believe me! Hear my words, you would the high!
2023-10-17 16:59
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yeah bro gl winning nuke against 2021 navi, 2018 astralis, or inferno against 2018 astralis, or vertigo against gambit during online era
2023-10-17 19:35
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gold nova nubs who don't know this about this game will roast u, change from mr15 to mr12 but keep economy system is non-sense and horrible. It makes loss bonus mechanic is lesser impact and maybe we will never see any massive comeback smh...
2023-10-17 15:00
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#222
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United States Chuffer
we have already seen massive comeback… betboom vs vitality betboom lost pistol, then won 8 rounds in a row.
2023-10-17 16:59
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1 reply
i don't watch this map but in this case, this is not how I mentioned. I mean a massive comeback from half-time like 7-0 8-0 in csgo when u have max loss bonus but in cs2 u know, first half and second half have been shorten so if u have this bonus, it's already over
2023-10-17 22:13
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#54
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Brazil oChaguinha
+1
2023-10-17 15:03
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#55
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom zouhaun
>Because I do think that one of the big things is that good, tactical Counter-Strike is also about adapting to your opponent but now there are only 12 rounds. When you actually a lot of the time read the pattern and do the good calls is from round 11-15, but those do not exist anymore, and therefore I do think that Counter-Strike should actually consider some of the changes that I'm saying rather than changing to MR12. he was so real real for saying this valve are cnts so they wont revert, we need more gun rounds or even no pistol round just a couple thousand in start money, mr12 only benefited pug players who give up round 1-5 and TOs who had long breaks inbetween maps and halfs
2023-10-17 15:04
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So he is not happy with mr12, because he is uncomfortable with his calls in mr12. He needs to learn to be comfortable making the calls with less amount of information.
2023-10-17 15:18
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#88
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom zouhaun
that just lowers the quality of the matches
2023-10-17 15:26
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6 replies
I dont agree. Having less time to read your opponents increases the skill ceiling. Eventually the people who can comfortably do that, will replace the people who cant do that, and quality of matches stays the same or even increases, because the skill ceiling is higher.
2023-10-17 15:27
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#100
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom zouhaun
there are many different styles you can play out in a gun round, for example fast a rush on nuke t side, outside smokes this way, outside smokes that way, pressuring ramp early etc etc for every map, if there are only 3-4 gun rounds id argue its more gambling than skill to predict what enemy is doing, sure you can have analysts before matches but you can easily switch tactics before a game, a game being fleshed out with either mr 15 or more gun rounds means smarter players can process everything and make a banging call
2023-10-17 15:32
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There are more gun/force rounds now than there was in mr15. In mr15 it was so cheap to eco. Now the teams must make the real tradeoff between eco/force. Also, forces teams to learn to play under uncomfortable situations as they wont have as much money to spend as they would like to. Against the argument about smarter players having more time in mr15: mr12 forces them to be more smart in less time.
2023-10-17 15:47
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#108
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
unrelated question if basketball matches would last 1minute, would that raise skill ceiling?
2023-10-17 15:36
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Nope. As you said, its unrelated to this situation we are talking about. The player in question makes it clear in the interview that he want the change because he feels uncomfortable to make the calls. If every basketball game would be bo3, or bo5, bo12, whatever, it would make coaching/analyst pool much wider due to more data available and more time to process it for single game. That lowers the skill ceiling of coach/analyst positions.
2023-10-17 15:43
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The ones able to do the best things and have the highest peaks during the game, even if short ones, will win, but the ones who's strong point is endurance and their tactic is to wear out their opponent will lose from this change. Different ruleset that benefits different playstyles, deal with it and adapt.
2023-10-17 15:49
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#215
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United States Chuffer
+1
2023-10-17 16:57
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-1 bad take
2023-10-17 19:37
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1 reply
Could you elaborate?
2023-10-17 20:13
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I don't agree with this specific point. "When you actually a lot of the time read the pattern and do the good calls is from round 11-15", how exactly am I suppose to read it? That rounds 1-10 is bad tactical CS and some kind of coinflip or just dueling? Teams that wake up only when it is something like 7-0 or 9-1, I'm sorry, but maybe you have some kind of terrible default if the only rounds you can win are the ones after 2 tactical pauses and rebuilding the whole thing because opponent did their homework and found obvious weaknesses that you are late to spot. Economy does need tweaking though.
2023-10-17 15:41
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2023-10-17 19:37
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At first I thought the MR12 would be a great addiction but after these matches in IEM Sidney I changed my opinion about that. Not sure if they make some changes in the economy could make this format better or it is just my perception because I watched MR15 all the time.
2023-10-17 15:05
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Never understood why Valve went back to mr12 instead of changing bomb timer, amount of time-outs etc. They had the chance to test that first and then go back to mr12 if needed. Pro scene has still karrigan, Snappi, NEO etc. who have at least played mr12 so they know what they are talking about.
2023-10-17 15:12
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And by the way the biggest reasoning for going back to MR12 most likely was yonger generations and they can't focus on the same thing for the same amount of time as older gens. Thanks alot mobile devices etc.
2023-10-17 15:29
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#214
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United States Chuffer
yeah changing the bomb timer and round time…. That doesn’t impact the game at all. Just easy, make the bomb timer 15 seconds to make sure games go by quickly!
2023-10-17 16:57
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1 reply
bomb timer has been 35 seconds for years before valve changed it in like 2015
2023-10-17 19:38
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It really does.
2023-10-17 15:07
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#60
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Russia monkasam
With all due respect maybe youre getting old and unable to adapt.
2023-10-17 15:07
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#67
Faceit level 10  | 
Bulgaria sn0wcs
Clown take, clown flag, clown flair. He made good points your brain is too damaged by weed so you had to call him old because you couldn't read.
2023-10-17 15:09
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#69
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Russia monkasam
Nice
2023-10-17 15:11
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Do you really wanna talk about flags when yours is synonymous with matchfixing?
2023-10-17 15:46
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2023-10-17 19:38
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Cope At least saving full rounds have been decreased. It also has the same net effects. M15 was simply kept artificially due saved gun rounds.
2023-10-17 15:08
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#135
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China Mahiro
And then people will save even more
2023-10-17 15:49
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Valve did a shit change with the economy, which was the whole thing that made this shitty mr12 change needed in the first place. But instead of Valve admitting that it ruined the flow of professional CS and reverting it, they instead change maxrounds. Speaking of cope.
2023-10-17 16:18
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3 replies
Obviously the economy must change. no doubt about that.
2023-10-17 16:47
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2 replies
It's been like 5 years now. I doubt they will change it. They have no clue on how to balance the game, particularly for the professional scene.. and every major change in the dynamics that they chose to make has to be the same for the professional scene as for the plebs for whatever fucking reason.
2023-10-17 16:49
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Wow you are right I thought they changed it in 2020 or so but last change was really in September 2018 Damn Tempus fugit But still I am glad that M15 is gone for now especially with lost rounds which weren‘t even contested. As said tweaks are a must, but yeah they are somehow clueless
2023-10-17 16:57
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#64
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
karrigan | 
Hungary hardrise
Fuck the counter part, it's WIDE-PEEK STRIKE now! Shame.
2023-10-17 15:08
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Snappi scared of jks crowd buff .
2023-10-17 15:09
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Fully agree on roundtime and bombtime etc. Disagree on downplaying the mr12, because he is not able to be comfortable with tactical decisions. Better igl wont have problems making the calls with less amount of information.
2023-10-17 15:11
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#101
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
ye but gap between good igl and bad igl is smaller since you have less info and options in general an extreme example, if game was mr5, better igl still wouldn't have any problems?
2023-10-17 15:33
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ongod frfr
2023-10-17 15:12
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having spent more time on hltv than i should, i can safely say that dumbing down CS is precisely what this community needs. they should also replace overtimes with a blast style 1v1 team duels. it would save time and make it easier for the community to decide who is the best player in this team based tactically oriented game.
2023-10-17 15:15
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#95
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Bulgaria ramkain
I agree, and they should do lollipop giveaways every now and then
2023-10-17 15:30
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#73
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Canada kingboo
This is pretty on point.
2023-10-17 15:15
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BASED PREACH YOUR SHIT KING YOU'RE SO FUCKING RIGHT
2023-10-17 15:16
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#78
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Ukraine lua_
Nope. MR12 is here to stay and nothing that this boomer says will change that.
2023-10-17 15:19
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2 replies
you are a newfag who doesn't even know what competitive cs is, go play valorant if you like this idiocy of mr12
2023-10-17 15:31
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#213
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United States Chuffer
+1, I think mr12 will be a good change. People think different = bad, anytime something changes or doesn’t change it’s an excuse for them being bad. People need to stop crying.
2023-10-17 16:56
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#79
Faceit level 10  | 
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Ukraine Lud0_
Can grandpa stop malding or retire already if he doesn't like the game so much?
2023-10-17 15:20
0
2 replies
he plays professionally in tier1, his opinion is certainly worth more than an hltv baiter who started playing cs yesterday and has no idea what competitive cs is
2023-10-17 15:30
0
1 reply
#119
Faceit level 10  | 
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Ukraine Lud0_
cope
2023-10-17 15:41
0
#84
Faceit level 4  | 
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African Union mikecool
Lets give MR12 a chance for a while to see the net effect of it and then make a judgement.
2023-10-17 15:22
0
7 replies
There was a reason why Vlave wanted to change to MR15 back in CS 1.6
2023-10-17 15:37
0
6 replies
Actually Valve never changed anything. The 1.6 events were made by third-parties companies.
2023-10-17 16:06
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1 reply
#211
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United States Chuffer
+1
2023-10-17 16:55
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#194
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Ukraine lua_
It wasn't Valve that made the change. Just goes to show how idiots here know nothing about CS, but like to act as if they do.
2023-10-17 16:38
0
3 replies
FYI i have played since 1.5, just didn't play via third party company servers.
2023-10-17 16:45
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2 replies
#210
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United States Chuffer
so you played valve servers in 1.5?
2023-10-17 16:54
0
1 reply
yup
2023-10-17 20:15
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#89
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
based
2023-10-17 15:26
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#90
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Finland Julist
Hire him volvo
2023-10-17 15:27
0
but people dont have that much time to watch this shit
2023-10-17 15:29
0
1 reply
did you even read Snappi's suggestions like cutting bomb ticker-time, freeze time, round-time?
2023-10-17 15:38
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#102
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Bulgaria GNMitev
MR15 > MR12
2023-10-17 15:33
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#103
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
We put far too much emphasis on the impact of: IGL Coach Strats / Counter-strats Most of these "IGLs" are just calling things based on info and feelings, often it's luck and just a case of who's player wins the duels.
2023-10-17 15:34
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9 replies
#117
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Poland METHDRINKER
Agree, also in football we put far too much emphasis on the impact of: Coach strategy Strats / Counter-strats Most of these "coaches" are just calling things based on info and feelings, often it's luck and just a case of who's player will shot ball into net
2023-10-17 15:40
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6 replies
#184
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Wrong, coaches and strategists in sports can SEE the other team.
2023-10-17 16:28
0
4 replies
#209
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United States Chuffer
hey cs coaches used to be able to do that
2023-10-17 16:54
0
Can only come from someone, who has never played in a football team
2023-10-17 16:59
0
2 replies
#225
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Exactly, they have visual evidence to justify adjustments. Not Karrigan guessing how the other team are going to be set up, then going "oh... go back to A I have a feeling"
2023-10-17 17:00
0
1 reply
Yep
2023-10-17 17:00
0
This can only come from someone who never played football in real life..
2023-10-17 16:58
0
so explain to me how having info = luck. wouldnt it be complete opposite of luck, having info and then making a decision
2023-10-17 16:09
0
+10
2023-10-17 16:58
0
Spot on from Snappi, mr12 is super trash so far. Crazy how he has came up with so many better and more creative options for shortening match length than valve has.
2023-10-17 15:33
0
Cry
2023-10-17 15:34
0
Based, million timeouts and pointless breaks between matches are way bigger of a time sink than the 6 most important rounds of the game
2023-10-17 15:36
0
3 replies
I totally agree
2023-10-17 15:38
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#130
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
pre and post analysis desks will be longer than some blowout bo1s now
2023-10-17 15:48
0
+1 Rounds 11-16 were absolutely the bests of any matches.
2023-10-17 16:07
0
+1 spitting truth, Snappi
2023-10-17 15:38
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#115
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Indonesia JackF
Time will tell
2023-10-17 15:40
0
no shit sherlock
2023-10-17 15:40
0
finally some pro with brains says how it is
2023-10-17 15:41
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#122
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Korea shicha
GO >>>>>>> Valorant > CS2
2023-10-17 15:44
0
1 reply
Didnt play valulrant yet, but this is probably true.
2023-10-17 15:52
0
Nice respectful comment from Snappi. I hope Valve listens
2023-10-17 15:45
0
no more epic comebacks from 0:15 also game is to quick, like he said, only 3-4 real gun rounds, so there should be change to economy for sure
2023-10-17 15:46
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#133
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Czech Republic manik999
MR12 seems to be ideal lenght of the game. You don't go to watch a football match for 3 hours because its like BO3 CSGO and even worse BO5 CSGO. Bo5s were ultra awful. First 2 maps didnt really mattered. People would get bored that way. It was boring in CSGO also. Explain to me why most people was tuning in after first 2 maps in a CSGO match. It was simply too long. Even when playing you can lost that energy to focus after 2 hour match, I love what energy the whole MR12 match have. Just economic changes are needed, simple changing of few numbers to make you go 1 eco only after lost pistols and then full buy. Pretty obvious fix, but I quess Valve wants to make economic update after IEM Sydney or I don't know which event
2023-10-17 15:50
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4 replies
true. we need valorant economic.
2023-10-17 15:54
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1 reply
#237
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Czech Republic manik999
What is it ? Never played the game. Faceit level anticheat and kinda normal ranked but the game looks bad, unlucko
2023-10-17 17:05
0
Pretty much this+100
2023-10-17 16:59
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#243
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Romania kinoN
I personally liked the long matches, when it was a good final match, I didn't want it to end quickly. But we'll get used to it over time this too.
2023-10-17 17:12
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#138
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Poland B0rdo
true
2023-10-17 15:53
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#142
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Europe _Liam_
SO TRUE!
2023-10-17 15:54
0
Exactly!
2023-10-17 15:56
0
guy decided to spit facts
2023-10-17 15:58
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#149
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Poland DRUGI
they didn't do any economy change, just made it shorter
2023-10-17 16:00
0
well said
2023-10-17 16:03
0
+1
2023-10-17 16:03
0
+1 too low rounds and shitty economy to get reactions now
2023-10-17 16:04
0
Based
2023-10-17 16:04
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#156
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
He speaks truth
2023-10-17 16:05
0
SNAPPI CS2 biggest hater
2023-10-17 16:05
0
1 reply
He ain't hatin, he is just being real.
2023-10-17 16:24
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#159
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Afghanistan Pewpo
You know what's dumb CS not having a proper anti cheat.
2023-10-17 16:05
0
#161
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Italy Karimk03
Just remove pistols round or fix the economy and mr12 should be fine.
2023-10-17 16:07
0
Based
2023-10-17 16:08
0
Snappi earns more respect from me each time he talks. The maps' half time and time between maps is way too long.
2023-10-17 16:13
0
Shave off a few seconds from smokes and Molotov, take 15-20 seconds off the round timer, thus making saving quicker. Which on some maps will be welcomed (inferno). Rounds will be over faster. So the games will be faster. No more waiting for a minute and a half then pushing. Would love to see a tournament or some content creators really mess with the settings. Like 1 minute rounds, 30 seconds bomb timer. 5 second smokes. Like go a bit over the top. Just to see if it completely effs up the game or has any merit at all
2023-10-17 16:16
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2 replies
Yolo I'd increase the movement speed too, accordingly
2023-10-17 16:47
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1 reply
Bugatti peaks incoming
2023-10-17 21:24
0
Cope
2023-10-17 16:17
0
If the sole purpose of mr12 is shortening game time, then i am with snappi. Mr12 will push a huge meta change. What do we gain from such change?
2023-10-17 16:21
0
csgo pls come back
2023-10-17 16:23
0
Agreed
2023-10-17 16:25
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#182
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Germany phillo283
In the end its always Hard to argue against something, when all the others have to fight with the same conditions. You are a pro, you get soo much money out of just playing a computergame, so dont cry and play. I like it, because sometimes its really hard to watch a 5 hours CSMatch. I think its good for the audiance and Players have to adapt to it. That easy.
2023-10-17 16:26
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6 replies
#183
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Greece spreyyy
Did you read the article? He wants to reduce the time too, but keep the number of rounds
2023-10-17 16:26
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1 reply
#205
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United States Chuffer
I feel like reducing round time isn’t the answer either.
2023-10-17 16:53
0
Absolutely stupid comment. Mr12 saves around 30minutes maybe at max. So from 5 hours u get 4 at best. So what are u on about? If u don't have the time, simply stick to highlights.
2023-10-17 17:39
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3 replies
#379
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Germany phillo283
Absolut stupid comment. First you didnt get my point, second, if everybody Stick for highlights, they can say bye bye to their money. These are the New rules, He is a pro player and should be able to adapt.
2023-10-18 12:26
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+1, man I think it's funny how people talk about time, when in reality it's more about interest than "time"
2023-10-19 18:05
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1 reply
#431
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Germany phillo283
Im watching and love CS since 2004, so dont Tell me anything about interest.
2023-10-22 17:12
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#188
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Portugal Joaoman73
Valve pls listen
2023-10-17 16:31
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#189
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Brazil oChaguinha
Still in time to change back to MR 15 or MR 13
2023-10-17 16:32
0
time to retire if you don't want to adapt to changes
2023-10-17 16:33
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#191
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Europe monerap
smart take from the goat
2023-10-17 16:36
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#196
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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United States admiralsid
Another pro who doesn't wanna adapt
2023-10-17 16:41
0
Expected words from snappi
2023-10-17 16:42
0
Fnatic would have won if not because bookies call
2023-10-17 16:45
0
He's right, but that's assuming there will be no economy changes. Double ecos need to go no matter what. You should only ever be 1 full eco away from a practically full buy from getting first loss bonus
2023-10-17 16:48
0
1 reply
#221
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Make all SMGs and shotguns $850
2023-10-17 16:59
0
Just make bonuses 2000 2500 3000 and 3500 and 2500 after pistol round and it will improve
2023-10-17 16:53
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#218
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Finland TheRamses
ULI ULI
2023-10-17 16:58
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#228
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Sweden NiPboy
The fact that the pistol round is extremely crucial in CS2 is retarded af
2023-10-17 17:01
0
it's okay to be wrong
2023-10-17 17:04
0
true as an audience the game is too quick and not enjoy
2023-10-17 17:04
0
true
2023-10-17 17:07
0
I agree
2023-10-17 17:19
0
Fr
2023-10-17 17:21
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#255
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
REAL | 
Spain deBurrows
Snappi Gigachad spitting facts.
2023-10-17 17:25
0
And we should remove molotovs!!!
2023-10-17 17:36
0
Snappi the realest !
2023-10-17 17:37
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#264
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France Diodele
absolutely agree
2023-10-17 17:40
0
He got owned by Twistzz 😭😭😭😭😭😭
2023-10-17 17:42
0
We are with israel
2023-10-17 17:44
0
skill issue honestly
2023-10-17 17:54
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#276
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States jschleg
another player the new game will pass bye. kk these old kids can’t handle the new game and cry hard. the pain is real
2023-10-17 17:59
0
i have zero faith in zoomers and liberals, anything they touch only gets worse
2023-10-17 18:01
0
Finally a pro tells the truth, MR12 is for trash casuals and adds way too much randomness. Economy would be impossible to balance, just revert to MR15 It's like if NBA removed 4th quarter
2023-10-17 18:02
0
Exactly my opinion. Its good that the problems are noticed. Maybe it will get better with more material available...
2023-10-17 18:14
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#285
Faceit level 8  | 
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United States sziasztok
Well said Snappi Valve, plz fix
2023-10-17 18:20
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#286
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Hungary ShadYyBoy
Based
2023-10-17 18:20
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That is what I said as well
2023-10-17 18:24
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#296
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Korea jin67300
true respect him
2023-10-17 18:39
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based
2023-10-17 18:53
0
I see his point, but I kinda disagree. Now you need to rely more on adaptive mid-round calling instead of seeing patterns. It goes both ways too, YOU can be more unpredictable as well and make it harder for your enemies to recognize patterns. Sure MR12 has it's problems, mostly because of economy, but tacticalness isn't IMO one of them.
2023-10-17 19:07
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1 reply
#317
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
+1
2023-10-17 19:38
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Yet pros proceed to dislike the length of a Bo3/Bo5.
2023-10-17 19:15
0
Absolutely. Based snappi.
2023-10-17 19:24
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#323
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United States 2046
GOAT talk
2023-10-17 19:58
0
a man of wise words this Snappi -3 rounds is really much more drastical than cutting off a few seconds here and there (round time, freeze time, timeouts, ..) I remember in 1.6 the round time was 1:45 i think and it was perfect. about 0:45 for everyone to settle and do initial stuff and then still 1min action/decisions per round
2023-10-17 20:00
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#328
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Finland dianimo
snappi right, snappi based, snappi goat for speaking out
2023-10-17 20:42
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#329
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
zehN | 
Finland tehtaaNkierre
+1 marco
2023-10-17 20:51
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#330
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Chad maatsa
snappi based as always
2023-10-17 20:53
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#331
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Norway Gjellan
True and real
2023-10-17 20:57
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#332
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States erokmofo
Add bhop / strafe jumping and we could have MR30 and it'd still be faster than csgo games
2023-10-17 21:08
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#333
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Estonia betmaher
Thats my boy snappi :biceps: :biceps:
2023-10-17 21:11
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#335
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Sweden ELDREGN
Thank you Snappi! This is a change to make more casuals watch and to gain "entertainment" over skill and tactics. More upsets, more wins for lesser teams. This sucks and cs is being sold out by valve to please the masses. More should speak up!
2023-10-17 21:26
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He on point
2023-10-17 21:48
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#340
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Serbia ladasamara
ty snappi
2023-10-17 22:05
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#343
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Finland KOVAJANO
Why is Snappi crying all the time?
2023-10-17 22:15
0
Based af
2023-10-17 22:37
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based player
2023-10-17 22:55
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#351
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
roman | 
Portugal MUTIRIS_VAC_SHOT
Danish man decides to spit facts
2023-10-17 23:22
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#352
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Australia Beard43
+1 change the name of the game to "strike" because there aren't enough rounds to counter.
2023-10-17 23:54
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#353
Faceit level 8  | 
DZ | 
Algeria SilverQuick
We said it since day one that it sucks and it doesn't make sense, but a pro must say it so they can agree with it, dumb and toxic community never listens to real CS players and enthusiasts, dead game anyway.
2023-10-18 00:22
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i like mr12, with adjusted economy it's going to be better
2023-10-18 00:39
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actually good take
2023-10-18 01:31
0
+1. no competition, way too 1 sided and many more. we need to undo this
2023-10-18 03:06
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Says decent IGL who won one tournament in +10 years and who cries literally over everything. Also strong words from someone who got clapped by BIG 2-0, 16:9 and 16:10 in their last MR15 series ever, seems like you do better in MR12 securing playoffs. I see MR12 as refreshing thing. It’s huge plus both for viewers and players. Less saving, game is more fast paced, BO3 doesn’t take half a day to be played and game is just much more enjoyable to watch and play with less “boring parts”. Only thing missing from perfect format is making the lowest lost bonus 1900 instead of 1400, so we eliminate double ecos.
2023-10-18 05:06
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#368
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
donk | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo
Told dumb Volvo how it is. Based Snappi as always, more pros should raise their voices. Don't they have a players union or something similar?
2023-10-18 08:49
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He's absolutely right and I am tired of the valve worshippers on here who think valve are somehow an infallible god. They're trash and their game is trash.
2023-10-18 09:36
0
Soo true, you can make it MR12, but not with the exactly same Economy system as MR15, this is stupid
2023-10-18 10:42
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#374
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Europe yommamas
shorter round and bomb timers are infinitely more retarded than MR12 ever will be. Snappi is confirmed single digit
2023-10-18 11:51
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5 replies
you don't need to short bomb timer, just cut freeze time in 5-10 sec, round time on 10-15sec, smoke time 2-3 sec. it will be a lot better than watch the game where 2 pistols and few lucky gun round will decide a result
2023-10-18 12:34
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2 replies
#386
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Europe yommamas
So you just want rushes in every round? shortening rounds will eliminate all lurker roles lmao Just this tournament proves that comebacks are still real
2023-10-18 12:38
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1 reply
if we talk about shortering rounds as option i want to do it with shortering smokes also so it will not eliminate lurk role and will not change meta. it will change timings in game , people will make the same things.
2023-10-18 12:46
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Valve changed to mr12 just because of valorant, mr12 is trash and there's nothing to argue about it, anyway cs2 is completely trash too
2023-10-19 17:56
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1 reply
#412
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Europe yommamas
Expected brazilbro take Valorant copied mr12 from CS as well lmao you can't copy valorant as CS
2023-10-20 08:20
0
just make players move 30% faster it's that simple, imagine m0nesy peek at the speed of light
2023-10-18 14:50
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+1
2023-10-18 15:21
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I like it just needs to rework economy but anyways i dont care about what pros said about cs changes at first because if valve actually listen their first impresions we should be playing 1.3 nowadays xD
2023-10-18 17:50
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Good thing Gaben doesn't GAF. CS2 has been much more entertaining than players staring at util for 90% of a MR15. Fast rounds and constant forcing has been fun to watch.
2023-10-19 02:55
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#405
NiKo | 
Japan ElliF
dudes mad because hes not the best firepowering igl and cant sit on util for 30 rounds draining the energy of every other player. stay mad
2023-10-19 14:58
0
- Faster games, I don't have to sit 1 hour for a single map - Players getting less tired and CS level will most likely be higher if they don't get as tired - Every decision matters a lot more as you don't have as many rounds to get back into the game - BO5 games become more viable Probably more but I can think of these real quick
2023-10-19 20:33
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#410
Faceit premium user Faceit level 8  | 
Russia Woogly
This snappi still thinks he was countering something on mr15 whether players he was playing against just got bored and tired of humiliating him for 15 roubds
2023-10-20 00:39
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1 reply
Climbed to #2 in the world out of thousands of teams. Weird flex, kid
2023-10-20 07:48
0
Mr12 change good or bad you're paid to play it so feel free to quit or shut up and do your job.
2023-10-20 11:11
0
just spell that -> STFU
2023-10-20 12:23
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#417
Faceit level 10  | 
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Poland BIGGEST_DONK_FAN
0-13
2023-10-20 13:16
0
Not only did they make a game that feels like a plastic dummy, but they also introduced mr12, epic
2023-10-20 22:01
0
devs should ignore this guy's opinion
2023-10-21 06:17
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2 replies
mr12 is trash, stfu ,casual player,pathetic nerd
2023-10-21 06:21
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1 reply
“Casual player” and “nerd” directed towards the same person in one sentence xDDD
2023-10-22 05:17
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0.13
2023-10-21 06:21
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He can cry all he wants but he still gonna be remembered as the first igl to have their team demolished 13-0
2023-10-21 11:16
0
true and based and true
2023-10-21 18:07
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#425
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
ZywOo | 
Japan s0APKing
Don't be too surprised coming from a team that was beaten 13-0
2023-10-21 21:57
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#428
Faceit level 6  | 
NiKo | 
Canada swagcrazy
lol at all these losers coming to an interview he made days ago talking shit like he's wrong because he lost 13-0 literal vermin
2023-10-22 05:23
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#430
Faceit level 10  | 
ner | 
Ukraine smakolyk
+1 actually
2023-10-22 14:47
0
"My whole experiences as csgo pro and now that it pay off, they change the game entirely and I can't keep up also back to become a shit igl. Time to bitching about it"
2023-10-23 08:00
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