groove: "We'll continue [to play without a sniper]"

Cloud9's coach addressed the team's AWP-less approach and pointed to lack of practice as a possible reason behind their poor results in the UAE.

groove said Cloud9 will continue trying to play in an AWP-less system

Early on following the departure of Dmitry "⁠sh1ro⁠" Sokolov from the roster and introduction of Kirill "⁠Boombl4⁠" Mikhailov as the new in-game leader, Cloud9's results improved at first, but since then cracks have begun to appear.

During disappointing runs at BetBoom Dacha and the BLAST Premier World Final, which ended in fifth-sixth place at both events, the lack of a primary AWPer has become a big point of criticism of the Russian side.

In a comment to James "⁠BanKs⁠" Banks on the BLAST broadcast following their elimination in Abu Dhabi, Cloud9's coach, groove, addressed that approach and said they would continue with it.

"We are trying to play without a sniper. We will continue," he said. "Yeah, we know to play without a main AWP is a problem, but anyway you can still be on the top level. Here we didn't even show our real level of the game."

The 40-year-old also went into the reasons behind their poor results, noting a lack of practice while in the United Arab Emirates, where both events took place.

"We have one big problem because we went to the [BetBoom Dacha] event in Dubai, that's why we didn't practice for 10 or 11 days in a row, because in Emirates you can't play FACEIT, you can't play any mix, you can't play praccs. Maybe this affected our results because 10 days in a row is a lot."

groove's comments come at a time when it has become clear that the return of sh1ro to the roster is not an option. Following his decision to step down from Cloud9 in late October, the 22-year-old AWPer has now committed to a move to Spirit, according to HLTV's sources.

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Sources: sh1ro set on Spirit move
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Kirill 'Boombl4' Mikhailov
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Dmitry 'sh1ro' Sokolov
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KPR:
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James 'BanKs' Banks
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Idk, perhaps ArtFrost can be a great pick?
2023-12-15 13:11
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yeah.. not having an awper is a horrendous decision
2023-12-15 13:45
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continue losing then
2023-12-15 13:12
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31 replies
they are trying something new, no one is playing without a dedicated awper right now, let them cook, if they succeed we will see some revolutions on the teams structure
2023-12-15 13:14
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29 replies
they are doing the stupid, thats what they are doing. Teams have been playing with awper since 1.6 to CSGO, why would this change? they think they are making some revolution? lmao they wont succeed and teams with awper will keep rekting them
2023-12-15 13:22
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22 replies
idk sometimes seemingly stupid things become the most genius ideas, if you dont keep looking for something new you will never make a meta
2023-12-15 13:26
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14 replies
playing without awp is like playing football without a striker. No team wins titles like that
2023-12-15 13:33
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13 replies
you totally skipped my point
2023-12-15 13:37
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2 replies
theyve tried it for long enough and failed. if anyone is able to win without an awper its not this c9 roster. they have to change it now, probs kick hobbit
2023-12-15 13:47
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1 reply
#134
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United States l0lite
Kick Ax1le. Hobbit puts numbers up.
2023-12-18 16:22
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you mean a punter?
2023-12-15 14:30
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8 replies
#81
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
is that some US thing? wtf is a punter
2023-12-15 16:11
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6 replies
#86
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Europe _Liam_
+1
2023-12-15 16:30
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A punter is a position in (American) football.
2023-12-15 19:14
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1 reply
#113
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
ah of course got it. we are all used to the word football , but of course they are different things depending on your region. Just got confused cause for me a punter means a person who does really dumb shit and i didnt get it
2023-12-16 01:51
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guy who punts
2023-12-16 01:34
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2 replies
#114
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
yeah I got it now, yes a "punter" cant have a tier1 team without a specialist in that spesific role. I dont know what c9 is smoking, not very much im affraid, they probably lack resources to sign a good enough awper and prefer to go this way and pretend its all fine
2023-12-16 01:55
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1 reply
don't follow, gonna punt this
2023-12-16 02:48
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for my fellow peanut brain american, a striker is the guy that gets goals in "soccer." Think Messi, ronaldo, etc.
2023-12-15 17:12
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#115
NEO | 
Poland Apapus
I agree with the "no awp - big problem", but I'm not so sure about football - how about playing with a "false 9"? Liverpool did it in their title winning season, with Roberto Firmino not being the focal point of the attack, but supplying his wingers Mane and Salah. Manchester City often played with a false 9 before they got Haaland.
2023-12-16 01:57
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liquid got igs w/o good awper, ure wrong
2023-12-15 13:39
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5 replies
M8, they had two dedicated hybrids and one de-facto hybrid on the team. C9 meanwhile has a team of five pure riflers. This is not even remotely comparable.
2023-12-15 13:41
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4 replies
Lul nitro by awping level is near perfecto, so now c9 have hybrid awp players
2023-12-15 13:58
0
3 replies
#60
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Germany Gabbah
that is peak delusion. Stewie alone was a better AWPer then anyone on C9 is
2023-12-15 14:41
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2 replies
Also they had NAF, who's good with AWP.
2023-12-15 15:59
0
So lets see in 1-2 months
2023-12-15 16:49
0
It's all fugazi, we will see in a couple of months
2023-12-15 13:41
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#16
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Ukraine StaNiUA
Did you miss 2019 Liquid or wtf you call this revolution? :D
2023-12-15 13:23
0
4 replies
nitr0 was constantly picking up the awp, for c9 it's rarely boombl4 and thats it
2023-12-15 13:36
0
2 replies
#47
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Ukraine StaNiUA
Oh, I thought boombl4 or Hobbit at least trying to play with awp, thanks
2023-12-15 14:08
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1 reply
they do, depends on a map
2023-12-16 09:52
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#28 explains it, nothing more to add in my opinion
2023-12-15 13:43
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enough is enough, literally everyime they lose their opponents in post-game interview say that it was easy to play against a team without an awper, zorte, saffee and someone else said that + every fucking analyst out there, they are just arrogant idiots coming from cloud9 fan btw
2023-12-15 13:57
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#104
donk | 
Scotland Omni5
Article title should be "We will continue" (to lose)
2023-12-15 21:23
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Biding time for s1mple to come back?
2023-12-15 13:12
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5 replies
#13
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Germany BRUHNS_
u think simple will play with a full russian team?
2023-12-15 13:20
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4 replies
yep, extremely unlikely
2023-12-15 13:58
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2 replies
#74
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Russia 0_0
Why not? C9 is a NA org so no "tax money are spent on rockets to kill ukrainians" type bullshit. +he is still friends with elec and boombI4
2023-12-15 15:54
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1 reply
#92
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Russia KopHuLLloH
AND Perfecto for that matter
2023-12-15 17:11
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#82
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
sh1ro | 
Russia bswoosah
Same Russians he already played with...
2023-12-15 16:12
0
Not sure what to think here
2023-12-15 13:14
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#6
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Italy alastt27
yeah, and continue to lose 13-1
2023-12-15 13:14
0
How is groove consistently getting away with it? Builds the system, forces them to play by it, Nafany gets sacrificed and kicked. Then Electronic, still bad results, still gets away with it. Now Boombl4, who plays in a similar way to Nafany....
2023-12-15 13:14
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Bro thinks they are ss 💀💀
2023-12-15 13:14
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1 reply
Ez 4 jw
2023-12-15 14:38
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groove is the problem?
2023-12-15 13:16
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1 reply
#23
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Ukraine StaNiUA
For sure. When team make so much changes and you staying behind this changes, of course you have big responsibility that this didn't work out again, again and again
2023-12-15 13:27
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#11
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United States Virgin Islands donkgod
sh1ro definitely left because of groove
2023-12-15 13:18
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2 replies
wouldnt be surprise
2023-12-15 13:27
0
in that case he would have left long time ago. problems started with new roster. Perfecto and electronic both authorities, they definetily was local enough in teamspeak. Probably they didnt like sh1ro talking and malding too much. Or its other way around, sh1ro didnt like to play with them.
2023-12-16 10:26
0
c9 will show themselves in 50 years when there are no teams left
2023-12-15 13:20
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groove... you're next You surely don't know anything about CS
2023-12-15 13:23
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2 replies
waiting for -groove -hobbit
2023-12-16 07:32
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1 reply
Quite necessary step
2023-12-16 12:02
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Well gg I guess, I will win nothing. U had your chance to take deko but now.. Gg
2023-12-15 13:24
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-h0bbit +awper would make more sense, or just another rifler at this point
2023-12-15 13:25
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1 reply
whether they want to get an awper or no Hobbit is for sure the one to go
2023-12-16 03:19
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well -hobbit then, unless its not a pr statement then... lose fast
2023-12-15 13:25
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big brained
2023-12-15 13:27
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They trying to become Stockholm G2 but won't even reach playoffs.
2023-12-15 13:27
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Always C9 with the excuses
2023-12-15 13:27
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groove in one month "we couldnt qualify for the RMR, because we were celebrating new year, christmas, old new year"
2023-12-15 13:30
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1 reply
Maybe big-boombl4 decides to do something stupid again and leaves c9. GROOVE: "WE'LL CONTINUE [TO PLAY WITHOUT AN IGL]""
2023-12-15 13:37
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C9: we will continue to play without AWPer. C9 after not qualifying for Copenhagen 2024: We were playing without AWP!
2023-12-15 13:39
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if these clowns don’t fucking pick up artfr0st when he gets benched…
2023-12-15 13:39
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They are fkn griefing, hope they bomb out of top20
2023-12-15 13:42
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fucking hell another ~6 months will be wasted because they're too stubborn to do changes
2023-12-15 13:43
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#41
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
jackasmo | 
Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
U need an awper or u ll keep failing in the long run. U might get lucky here and there when everyone is having their A game and win some, but it won’t last long. The sooner C9 gets a dedicated awper - the lesser chances of the team breaking apart cause it will be inevedable if the team keeps losing, so get an awper asap.
2023-12-15 13:48
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#42
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Poland d4widof
its so fck stupid decsion
2023-12-15 13:56
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-hobbit +s1mple
2023-12-15 13:56
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#48
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
FalleN | 
African Union a2wai
GROOVE: "WE'LL CONTINUE [TO PLAY WITHOUT A SNIPER]" until m0NESY will be available.
2023-12-15 14:09
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It's groove's job to say they will continue to keep face and maintain team's morale. I am sure they are considering other options. Having said that, 2023 has been a year of absolutely disastrous roster moves by groove.
2023-12-15 14:16
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#67
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FalleN | 
African Union a2wai
It's not all his fault, to be honest. He haven't got the power he has when he was in Gambit, so players basically kicked each other in order: interz first, nafany next, sh1ro last. Ax1Le should close the door after he will be kicked from the team, when they buy a new sniper (that gives electronic his favorite positions).
2023-12-15 15:38
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#52
ness | 
Canada ssau
At first cs2 seemed to be better off without a main awp but now after watching some recent games. Awpers are still having some banger rounds and massive impact. Monesy hasn’t changed at all. Broky is having some great impact still awp. I think they will come to regret the awpless approach
2023-12-15 14:17
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-hobbit +artfrost please
2023-12-15 14:19
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#54
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Yugoslavia yike$
Bro is saying its a "new approach" to play without awp, none of his previous "approaches" have worked, for how much longer will c9 accept these results?
2023-12-15 14:20
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comments said it all
2023-12-15 14:23
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They will play without a coach soon if it continues like this
2023-12-15 14:38
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#62
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Russia mshkoda
weirdo team
2023-12-15 14:46
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Cry
2023-12-15 14:48
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Not even considering Artfr0st seems wrong
2023-12-15 14:58
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#65
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Croatia Leeibe
I think its time for a coaching change. Clearly players in the team dont feel heard otherwise why would the Sh1ro benching be any ammount of a surprise. By not at least committing one player to the AWP youre hurting the teams consistency and big boom has always had an awper while igling. If its a money thing trade Sh1ro for Artfrost. Yeah hes way inexperienced but with all the veterans on the team and him being way less accomplished im assuming Artfrost would listen and try to soak it all in. Why not? Clearly this Awp hot potato isnt going swell
2023-12-15 15:17
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-groove only fix
2023-12-15 15:21
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#68
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10  | 
mezii | 
United Kingdom 1RM
"Here we didn't even show our real level of the game" Bet.
2023-12-15 15:39
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honestly im shocked how unprofessional this looks, if i was a c9 fan i would be mad this guy keeps his job they don't stand a chance even against a team that has saffee or torzsi
2023-12-15 15:42
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2 replies
+1, I like boomych, but the whole cloud 9 team is some kind of circus
2023-12-15 15:51
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That's wrong with torzsi?
2023-12-15 16:01
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They’re waiting for s1mple?
2023-12-15 15:42
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And you will continue to lose
2023-12-15 15:46
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Impenetrable idiots.
2023-12-15 15:50
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Soon will be kicked
2023-12-15 16:00
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groove: We'll continue [to suck dicks because we like to do it]
2023-12-15 16:13
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Continue to lose vs mibr and betboom
2023-12-15 16:17
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Your star player leaves the team and you suck harder than even nafany interz iteration. At this point you have to believe that somehow this cloud 9 management came out more incompetent than this coach and his joke of a team
2023-12-15 16:30
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#89
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Brazil mth^
s1mple Ax1Le Perfecto electroNic Boombl4 already
2023-12-15 16:33
0
1 reply
#94
Faceit level 7  | 
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United States z_z
s1 is retired
2023-12-15 17:14
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#90
Dosia | 
Brazil lewd
Idk, perhaps ArtFrost can be a great pick?
2023-12-15 16:33
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#95
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Sweden Vrede
groove hahahaha
2023-12-15 18:03
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They must’ve s1mple on their hands, otherwise it doesn’t make any sense.
2023-12-15 18:06
0
Of course they will continue, when they earn like 10k$ each on a monthly basis lmao
2023-12-15 18:33
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HOLY MEDS LMAO
2023-12-15 18:36
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#99
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Russia KopHuLLloH
so a guy acknowledges the fact an issue exists and straight-up says they won't going to resolve it, like WTF???
2023-12-15 18:38
0
2 replies
This is just top management way of talking to maintain morale. They are likely looking at options but he won't say it since it means someone is the team will be benched again.
2023-12-16 14:11
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1 reply
but surely 5 riflers aren't as clueless as managements paints the to be, since clearly one of them needs to be swapped with an awp ASAP. So either the management for real thinks playing w/o an awp is fine or morale is so irreparable under the c9 banner that you need to openly say such dumb things on public to somewhat "protect" the bond or something. Seems to me like a lose-lose take from groove
2023-12-16 19:15
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more like we continue to lose games without awper
2023-12-15 19:06
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#102
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Czech Republic Vacas
why not get artfrost instead of hobbot tho
2023-12-15 20:08
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#103
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Destroyer | 
Other Marauder_
And you'll continue to lose lol
2023-12-15 20:40
0
This is ludicrous! Not only you are missing AWP kills from positions where rifles can't get them easily, but especially the opponents will not have to worry about running into a sniper's scope! Clown 9, indeed.
2023-12-15 23:07
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#106
Faceit level 7 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Portugal dracø
"Here we didn't even show our real level of the game" What are they waiting for then? LOL this makes them look even worse imo
2023-12-15 23:11
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Rus Logic . This team will fail so hard
2023-12-15 23:26
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C9 S1mple
2023-12-15 23:52
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Groove hello? Wake up
2023-12-16 01:01
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New Meta, NO AWP
2023-12-16 01:31
0
1-13 new meta
2023-12-16 08:22
0
So they wanna continue [to lose]
2023-12-16 09:11
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#124
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
jks | 
Australia Raychippy
aka we'll continue to bomb out in groups
2023-12-16 11:14
0
groove will continue to be a huge fucking fraud
2023-12-16 11:14
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You know the quote is chosen well when he didn’t even say half of the words in it
2023-12-16 16:14
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Sign b1t and s1mple prime NaVi again. Just fucking kick h0bbit can't play with 2 igl and you already have 3 prime NaVi players so why no S1mple rixh american org???
2023-12-16 18:04
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