Target Rating: Identifying over and under performers on CT side

We have used a player's positions and map pool to see who is making the most out of their roles.

When we look at a player's rating, there is an implicit understanding that some players have harder jobs than others.

Counter-Strike is a game of limited resources when it comes to playmaking. That means, for most teams, you build around a star duo or trio, with at least two supportive elements.

Getting the most output from those supportive elements is a key factor behind the very best teams in the world. Anchoring is a specialist role that can turn championships your way.

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What are CS:GO's easiest and hardest CT positions?

In CS:GO, we tried to put a number to how hard or easy a position is based on the average rating of tier-one players in each role.

That logic has followed into CS2 with a clear divide between high-output spots like AWPing on, well, every map, or Mirage's Connector and Nuke's Yard, and anchor spots on Vertigo, Mirage, or the T-sided Anubis.

See a full list of positions' rating here

The fact that three Anubis positions show up in the seven lowest-rated positions immediately rings alarm bells. If a player plays Anubis a lot, like someone on G2, it follows that their CT rating will likely be lower than a team that bans the map and has a home map on something CT sided like Overpass or Nuke.

It is also not enough to say that anchor positions are hard, and rotating easy. Ancient's A Anchors average a 1.12 rating, Anubis A is 1.10, and Pit on Inferno is 1.07. Middle on Anubis is a star role on paper, but averages just 1.03.

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Why more and more IGLs are taking up the 'supportive rotator' role

With plenty of IGLs taking up rotation positions too, the picture becomes more murky as the 'star anchor' in the ilk of Robin "⁠ropz⁠" Kool, Kaike "⁠KSCERATO⁠" Cerato, and Sergey "⁠Ax1Le⁠" Rykhtorov takes up roost in all three of the higher-rated Anchor spots we just mentioned but rotate on other maps.

Anchor and Rotator, therefore, are not good enough tools on their own to determine a player has a 'hard' role. The meta is now to put powerful players into anchor positions to shield teams from aggressive lurkers grabbing a pick, 5v4, and the round.

So here's what we have come up with: Target Rating. Every player is assigned an average rating based on not only their positions but how often they play that role. If most of a player's playtime came on Overpass, their position on that map is weighted more heavily in the average.

The result is this, a target rating largely disconnected from the anchor-rotator divide. ropz, KSCERATO, and Ax1Le all show up in the top ten target ratings despite anchoring on certain maps.

The big hitters also crop up, with Ismailcan "⁠XANTARES⁠" Dörtkardeş, Danil "⁠donk⁠" Kryshkovets, and Copenhagen Major stand-out Rodrigo "⁠biguzera⁠" Bittencourt in the best possible position to frag on all seven maps.

Some of this is self-fulfilling; share a position with donk, and the average will be higher than otherwise. But target rating is based on averages from around 30 players in each position in matches between top 50 teams: The overall picture is still of an average.

When we look at the most hard-done by players, we are back at looking at anchors but these are the full-time ones, small-site players who do not have the luxury of rotating on some maps.

Old-school sacrifical anchor IGLs Johnny "⁠JT⁠" Theodosiou, Rasmus "⁠HooXi⁠" Nielsen, and Finn "⁠karrigan⁠" Andersen all appear as do the primary anchors of teams with rotator IGLs like William "⁠mezii⁠" Merriman and Boris "⁠magixx⁠" Vorobiev.

We can now compare target rating to a player's actual output to see which players are making the most of their set of roles.

No surprises that donk is first, at a whopping +0.45 delta. biguzera, with a 1.49 CT rating in our sample, is second.

But we can also see some more under-appreciated players climb the ranking. Emil "⁠Magisk⁠" Reif was the best anchor of 2023 and it is no surprise to see him over-performing his positions once again even in a down period for Falcons.

David "⁠n0rb3r7⁠" Danielyan has been a sensation in CS2 and is finally getting his flowers as the supportive piece of Virtus.pro. Jimi "⁠Jimpphat⁠" Salo is also here, a player that is still a full-time small-site anchor but making his spots look like star ones.

The difference in expected rating based on a player's map pool is even more clear when we look at every player together in a scatterplot.

The roles are clustered mostly, but, even in a group that should be fairly homogeneous like primary AWPers, their target rating ranges from 1.14-1.20.

Full-time rotators can drop to as low as Nemanja "⁠huNter-⁠" Kovač's 1.05 and Evgenii "⁠FL1T⁠" Lebedev's 1.07. Myroslav "⁠zont1x⁠" Plakhotia, essentially a full-time anchor, is the only blue dot in the green zone with a 1.10 target.

This target rating can also expose players underperforming their positions. Nikolay "⁠mir⁠" Bityukov, Mihai "⁠iM⁠" Ivan, and Paweł "⁠dycha⁠" Dycha have had torrid 2024s in positions where frags and the scoreboard really do matter.

Explore target rating in more detail, with every player listed, in this interactive Tableau.

AWPers below the 1.10 mark like Usukhbayar "⁠910⁠" Banzragch and Håkon "⁠hallzerk⁠" Fjærli are worthy of criticism even if they are higher-rated than most of their team.

This is not a tool without blind spots. donk and Dan "⁠apEX⁠" Madesclaire play very similar positions but in completely opposite fashions. But for the vast majority of non-IGL players positions map onto fragging expectations well.

Comparing apples to apples is close to impossible with the differences in team's style and philosophy but at least now we are comparing apples to other fruit, instead of a completely different food group.

Turkey Ismailcan 'XANTARES' Dörtkardeş
Ismailcan 'XANTARES' Dörtkardeş
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
2094
KPR:
0.81
DPR:
0.67
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nemanja 'huNter-' Kovač
Nemanja 'huNter-' Kovač
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
1718
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.66
Ukraine Myroslav 'zont1x' Plakhotia
Myroslav 'zont1x' Plakhotia
Age:
18
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
507
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.65
Denmark Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1629
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.63
Russia Boris 'magixx' Vorobiev
Boris 'magixx' Vorobiev
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
896
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.62
Brazil Kaike 'KSCERATO' Cerato
Kaike 'KSCERATO' Cerato
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
1145
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.58
Poland Paweł 'dycha' Dycha
Paweł 'dycha' Dycha
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1070
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
Russia Nikolay 'mir' Bityukov
Nikolay 'mir' Bityukov
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1224
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
France Dan 'apEX' Madesclaire
Dan 'apEX' Madesclaire
Age:
31
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
2243
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.70
Brazil Rodrigo 'biguzera' Bittencourt
Rodrigo 'biguzera' Bittencourt
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1031
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.64
United Kingdom William 'mezii' Merriman
William 'mezii' Merriman
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
769
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.64
Finland Jimi 'Jimpphat' Salo
Jimi 'Jimpphat' Salo
Age:
17
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.13
Maps played:
491
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.61
Russia David 'n0rb3r7' Danielyan
David 'n0rb3r7' Danielyan
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1274
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.68
Romania Mihai 'iM' Ivan
Mihai 'iM' Ivan
Age:
24
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1047
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.69
Norway Håkon 'hallzerk' Fjærli
Håkon 'hallzerk' Fjærli
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1008
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.64
Estonia Robin 'ropz' Kool
Robin 'ropz' Kool
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1432
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.61
Russia Sergey 'Ax1Le' Rykhtorov
Sergey 'Ax1Le' Rykhtorov
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1228
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.63
Denmark Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Age:
34
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
2315
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.69
South Africa Johnny 'JT' Theodosiou
Johnny 'JT' Theodosiou
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.93
Maps played:
1336
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.68
Russia Danil 'donk' Kryshkovets
Danil 'donk' Kryshkovets
Age:
17
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.21
Maps played:
399
KPR:
0.83
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Rasmus 'HooXi' Nielsen
Rasmus 'HooXi' Nielsen
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.85
Maps played:
1049
KPR:
0.57
DPR:
0.68
Mongolia Usukhbayar '910' Banzragch
Usukhbayar '910' Banzragch
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
194
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.63
Russia Evgenii 'FL1T' Lebedev
Evgenii 'FL1T' Lebedev
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1503
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.64
pog
2024-04-21 12:01
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In this grahs , we can finnaly desmitify the HLTV bots saying that ax1le is too good while playing "worst anchor spots" As shown in this graph, this is not true. He gets the easiest positions and DON´T TRANSLATE IT in good output. Meanwhile Perfecto+Hobbit appear on the other graph PERFORMING WELL on the worst positions. ---- Dycha is another one, PLAYS THE EASIER POSITIONS , don´t get any output out of it. Meanwhile goofy top of the 2nd graph PLAYING THE WORST POSITIONS while overperforming on them. If this doesn´t tell you -Axile +ACTUAL GOOD CS2 Riffler. If this doesn´t tell you -Dycha 10yo contract +ACTUAL GOOD CS2 Riffler. IDK WHAT WILL TELL YOU.
2024-04-21 16:05
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#138
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Finland KarPPa
its not all black and white still. Some players might not play better in the "easier positions" compared to the ones they actually play. Also different teams style of play effects the impact of certain positions
2024-04-21 16:26
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um aside from b short on mirage, toilets on overpass ax1le plays anchor in every other map for example A anchor anubis, A anchor ancient, pit inferno for instance hobbit plays A rotator on inferno, b rotate on ancient, b rotate on overpass, A anchor on mirage hobbit actually plays more rotator roles than ax1le on a per map basis, so it isnt entirely true
2024-04-21 18:46
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The analysis literally tells us A anchor Anubis and A anchor ancient are high rating positions on average...
2024-04-21 19:29
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And aren´t they? Especially A player ancient... in high elo at least , A anchor becomes the rotator most of the time... And late round donut/mid player plays passive and becames then the "anchor" even if he isn´t the anchor... This is not the typical gold nova ancient matchs.. played on pro level Also A anchor on anubis can be prone for many pushes into water to get kills, you don´t need to be hiding site A 24/7 Mid anubis player espescially when its only 1 mid setups , IS WAY HARDER TO DEFEND against so much spam , than A for example.. its all relative in the end, relative to each team setups , protocols, etc .. CS is complex
2024-04-21 19:43
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Russia i0n1x
1st another nero banger inc
2024-04-21 12:04
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#35
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Finland iamjoe
nero the goat
2024-04-21 12:37
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>Nikolay "⁠mir⁠" Bityukov, Mihai "⁠iM⁠" Ivan, and Paweł "⁠dycha⁠" Dycha have had torrid 2024s in positions where frags and the scoreboard really do matter.
2024-04-21 12:43
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10 replies
yet iM has won the major 😶
2024-04-21 16:19
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9 replies
BIG should sign RUSH, Devilwalk and Pronax immediately cuz they are major winners
2024-04-22 02:06
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6 replies
good job on naming the most washed players as examples fkin moron lmao, i bet youre basically boros younger brother in real life
2024-04-22 02:36
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#241
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Twistzz | 
Serbia Set0_iwnl
He is spittin' facts, iM is underperforming hardly, he should be replaced and NaVi would be even better and more consistent.
2024-04-25 15:43
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4 replies
you dont even know what hardly means lmao also replace iM with who? also #197
2024-04-25 17:41
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3 replies
#243
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Twistzz | 
Serbia Set0_iwnl
I didn't said that NaVi didn't deserve this major, all I'm saying he is not good enough fot this team, he came in to replace Electronic, yet he is nowhere close to him (he may shouldn't be compared to one of the best riflers), but he is consistently one of the worst players for NaVi while playing high output positions. Replace him with maybe Blamef, K0nfig, maybe bring back S1mple, it's not my responsibility to choose who should replace him, I'm just saying there must be better players than star rifler who has ratings like a support, and not just at one tournament, it's been a while now
2024-04-25 18:17
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effectively jL has now replaced elec and iM has replaced perfecto basically and again who should they replace iM with who doesnt also disrupt the chemistry, you dont know what kicking iM could entail
2024-04-25 18:24
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1 reply
#260
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Twistzz | 
Serbia Set0_iwnl
Not really it's just that jL performs in his roles and IM doesn't, maybe jL has more freedom than Perfecto as there is Aleksi now to take bad positions and IM has just a bit less than Elec, but still on CT side especially IM plays high output positions (Mirage Con, Anubis Con, Ancient Mid, Overpass Toilets etc.) all reserved for each team's star players. But yes, in rating department it has been like you said.
2024-04-30 10:30
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Well somebody has to be the worst major winner
2024-04-22 06:50
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whole account checks out why do people care so much that iM and navi won the major, just get over it already
2024-04-22 07:50
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nero the goat fr, i love these articels
2024-04-21 12:53
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#60
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Russia i0n1x
as expected n0rb3r7 is the GOAT anchor (together with magisk)
2024-04-21 13:12
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13 replies
n0rb3r7 GOAT (statistically proven)
2024-04-21 14:00
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7 replies
where virtusno :(
2024-04-22 02:36
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6 replies
i dont know who that is, maybe ill understand it in 10 years.
2024-04-23 19:49
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5 replies
famous hltv commenter from armenia, norbert supporter
2024-04-23 19:57
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4 replies
maybe one day i will be able to meet this noble, very intelligent person.
2024-04-23 20:18
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3 replies
he seems to be more active from like september to february
2024-04-23 20:24
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2 replies
he will be more active in 2033
2024-04-23 20:30
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1 reply
ok?
2024-04-23 20:34
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both after zontix
2024-04-27 02:19
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4 replies
#252
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Russia i0n1x
maybe read the article before posting
2024-04-27 15:42
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3 replies
i did, i'm just giving my own, objective and divine opinion
2024-04-27 15:44
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2 replies
#254
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Russia i0n1x
ok. have a nice day
2024-04-27 15:46
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1 reply
thank you. you too
2024-04-27 15:46
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United Kingdom chrose
damn
2024-04-21 12:06
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#4
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Finland HAVU_CHOKE
Waiting for naviflukemajor to say that zont1x is as good as jimi because of "eyetest"
2024-04-21 12:07
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W
2024-04-21 12:09
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These average factors are build on players Individual performances. Its not like the same person (same skill) plays every Position so you can analyse so it does not distort the result
2024-04-21 12:10
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#13
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United Kingdom NER0cs - HLTV.org
Why are the averages (mean and median, before you say donk-flation) in each position so wildly different then?
2024-04-21 12:14
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I get your point . There is something on that. I want to say If the staticts would be messed by 1 player the difference between "typical igl positions" and "Star player positions " the difference would be probably smaller. Its just logical that the result is distort, but its still interesting. Do you have a different point of view? Edit: ofcourse you cant make the Analyse like this based on 1 player since a player dont play every positions
2024-04-21 12:29
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#32
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United Kingdom NER0cs - HLTV.org
I've collected enough data over the years to basically confirm that a player's rating heavily relies on the spots they play These are averages based on 30-40 top teams, and v similar to my CS:GO one. Star spots require star fragging for the vast majority of teams and systems.
2024-04-21 12:34
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Nice article and processing of data mate
2024-04-21 12:54
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How do we know the causality isn't the other way? Such that the worst players play certain spots? Like Anubis mid, which is a star position but yields relatively poor ratings?
2024-04-21 20:14
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+1
2024-04-21 22:11
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If im not mistaken Zywoo played supportive roles in the major due to sickness according to spinx and some other players changed their positions this year like stavn/jabbi after roster changes. Did you take it into account?
2024-04-21 12:51
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#68
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United Kingdom NER0cs - HLTV.org
his role didn’t change he just played more passive and flashed a few times. still an awper.
2024-04-21 13:12
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Agreed but zywoo is one of the most mixed players in the awp field, compare him to monesy he is just better with rifle but worse with awp right now. Kinda like the comparison with s1mple, s1mple had overall better awp but zywoo had lverall better rifle
2024-04-21 15:19
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He was definitely still an awper though the game plan has changed. ZywOo wasnt supposed to be that kind of star he is at the major. They were playing more off eachother with ZywOo doing more support duties
2024-04-21 16:49
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It might be a good idea to use ADR for this (esp if you can clean it up by full buy or weapon from hltv db). ADR ignores deaths, which is flaw in itself, but it's more suited for role splits. donkey & xantares go for it early & on both sides, but risk dying. Anchors sit & wait for 1vs3+ & death finds them, not vice versa. So punishing them for being first line of defense against attack through KDA is not very fair. Only thing better would be to have metric of opportunity (like the one for entry kills). If it's too complex, maybe connect positions & entry fragging. Not a 100% correlation, but still. This way guy like Jimpphat will differ from karrigan(on mirage). Jimmy is very proactive & shoots better, so his ADR & opportunities will reflect that. But karrigan has been very good on mirage lately w/o pushing.
2024-04-21 12:53
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#74
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United Kingdom NER0cs - HLTV.org
yeah rating is just far easier for me to collect tbh, and don’t think it would be wildly different
2024-04-21 13:17
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Theoretically could you not use KPR DPR and ADR combined to set target "stats" since unlike rating its far more direct in what it actually translates to and what it actually means. For 95% of situations target rating seems complete but it doesn't really tell the full story considering rotator IGLS, Support awps, Passive/opportunistic anchor players. Having things like flash assists, kpr, dpr, kast, adr and all those other stats weighted to target rating will help paint the clearest picture possible for those last percentages right right? Target rating mainly just seems good to see who the outliers are (Norbert and Magisk goat, Dycha and Im ?????) Maybe a better solution would be to weight things between pure IGLs on the roles but I doubt there's be enough data to properly do that.
2024-04-21 17:35
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Wouldnt we want a rating 3.0 at some point that takes positioning and space creation into account at some point. Since i feel like alot of sacrificial igls like karrigan and hooxi do much more to increase the rounds winning chances than getting kills. And like you are saying positions have impact on rating/performance.
2024-04-21 19:01
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How do you collect the data? You extract it from HLTV or you have access to dbs?
2024-04-26 03:25
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#248
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United Kingdom NER0cs - HLTV.org
For this was all using public hltv data
2024-04-26 11:24
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Norbert it’s really good rn
2024-04-21 12:10
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#8
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Germany AndSoItWas
donk in "overperforming, high expectations" says alot about where this kid is going.
2024-04-21 12:11
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#140
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Slovakia Psycho2k
Kid has bright future.
2024-04-21 16:32
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another proof that iM fluked his paris performance and needs to go back to being not relevant.
2024-04-21 12:13
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#57
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Denmark zerm999
zZz
2024-04-21 12:56
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#86
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Romania B3ck3e3
A difficult period indeed for him on a personal level but the team still wins, and only jL is over performing so I would say that, even if the data makes sense, if the team functions on a micro level like this, you should be considered as an piece for the success and no change is needed
2024-04-21 13:31
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#141
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Slovakia Psycho2k
If I am NaVi,I let iM play till summer,and if he is good for team,keep him,if he is not or there is clear upgrade ready to be picked up,then go for change
2024-04-21 16:34
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#170
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Romania B3ck3e3
Yeah ofc, he is not on a bad path, even if the last tournament was bad for him.. and blade was clear that the expectations for the team are different .. They won the major even if they were not expecting it, the team can only improve from here cause it was no way near a clear win, there are plenty of teams that they need to prove themselves agains but they also need to show up as individuals for this, especially Mihai. He will get his chances and I really believe that he will prove himself as an useful player and maybe the game will change a bit around him, with this position that he plays as an second caller/entry/whatever he is playing now. I just hope that he will show up, cause he has all the qualities that he needs to be around for a long time
2024-04-21 20:12
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By clear upgrade ready u mean s1mple? At this point not sure tbh, period of time needed for him to get back into shape is a question mark but his attitude isn't - it will affect team almost no matter what. I believe there are better options on transfer market for example get jimi to play anchor and promote b1t on to star role of iM (previously electronic) and see what happens.
2024-04-22 11:53
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Jimi is 17, too young for this type of transfer, imagine what it could to do him mentally - impacting performance and resulting in burnout. Right now, Mouz should be his only focus, he came up through their pipeline, has good rapport and relationships with teammates, coach, and organization. Kid's so innocent and young in his interviews and presence; his brother's path should be a major red flag for all young stars in the scene.
2024-04-22 13:56
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Fair points but actually the younger player is the better he would adapt to blad3's system, older established players arent as flexible even if that is what demanded from them. i dont think fans would put too much pressure on a supportive role player who isnt even supposed to drop mvp worthy performances unless they use him in star role as direct iM replacement. aslo aleksi would a great mentor to jimi and one of reasons why sergej's carrer didnt work out was -aleksi +sunny move. ence went to shit and he basically didnt have a top team to return to after his military service. Btw looking at other options such as nertz (24) yekindar (24) blamef (26) they rather might as well return s1mple.
2024-04-22 14:17
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i think iM is the lead voice after aleksib and he has the biggest impact in the team
2024-04-24 13:21
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#249
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Europe Zahun
+999
2024-04-26 12:08
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#240
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Netherlands bottz
cry more
2024-04-25 13:35
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Ok
2024-04-21 12:14
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nero banger yet again, now for t-sid, 'cs2 easiest and hardest t-sided positions'
2024-04-21 12:16
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So it's confirmed that Goofy plays harder positions and the one that supposed to frag (Dycha) is not delivering? Damn
2024-04-21 12:18
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Yes as it was expected (at least by me)
2024-04-21 12:32
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#31
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden skorpan
Hopefully this will stop the -goofy crowd for once. And this most certainly must be the nail in the coffin for dycha, right? I’m guessing Dycha isnt super happy about this data being published like this :b
2024-04-21 12:32
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3 replies
no one that is into csgo more than basic should know that goofy doesnt underperform with his roles, there's no team that will have players with everyone above 1.3 rating every game
2024-04-21 13:41
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#127
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden skorpan
A lot of those who doesnt know about the basics in this community :)
2024-04-21 15:29
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Don't need stats to see dycha plays like shit
2024-04-22 07:02
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really enjoy this kind of stat analysis thumbs up for NER0
2024-04-21 12:32
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3 replies
and it would be really funny if NER0 points out those names who are on the top-left in the chart
2024-04-21 12:40
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2 replies
#47
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Wales Hi_Im_New
There's a link in the article to the graphic to play around with, just ctrl + F for tableau
2024-04-21 12:46
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1 reply
wow ty man
2024-04-21 12:47
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#20
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Finland tailal
karrigoat 🗣🗣
2024-04-21 12:24
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this proves the dycha and im fraud allegations for the moment
2024-04-21 12:26
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iM lmao
2024-04-21 12:26
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HOOOXI lmao
2024-04-21 12:35
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20 replies
you just told everyone that you didn't read an article or you have no idea what's it about. Hooxi being there means that he performs well enough for expectations based on his roles. Meaning that people can't do much better with such terrible roles.
2024-04-21 13:29
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u didnt even know why i typed it, chill bro. Dont need to suc* him so hard. Hooxi is indeed doing a great job as IGL and as a player, no doubt abt it. Just funny cus the br community have some jokes with him.
2024-04-21 14:02
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2 replies
I will never understand xD
2024-04-21 14:23
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1 reply
we chillin
2024-04-21 16:15
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Bro, Hooxi is in underperforming section, he is playing worse than average player on bad positions.
2024-04-21 14:27
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2 replies
I do not think we understood the graph the same way. If value on horizontal axis is X and value on vertical axis is the same exact value X - then it means player is performing average compared to all players that play such roles. The "target rating" for Hooxi is low and he pretty much delivers on it (slight underperformance, very slight). If you imagine a diagonal line though the middle of the graph (starting at value of 1 on both X and Y and ending at 2 at both X and Y axis) - those are people who are average performers - ALL OF THEM from the beginning of that line till the end. All people on the left of that line are underperforming, all the people to the right are overperforming. The trick is that for some roles having low rating is expected because on average no one is having a great time in those roles. Hooxi is very close to that line, to be fair he's doing better than Aleksi and siuhy. Because both Aleksi and siuhy take more space they are expected to have higher rating but they are underperforming severely. Siuhy and Hooxi have same rating but Hooxi is doing more with less. Way more. that's the point of the graph
2024-04-21 14:46
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To add to it, as said in the article, playing Anubis a lot will deflate CT rating of people because all CT sided positions have some of the worst average CT ratings out of all maps. G2 plays Anubis a lot which contributes towards hooxi's slight underperformance. But it's very slight because he's almost touching the "average" diagonal.
2024-04-21 14:50
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"Performs well enough for expectations" U are implying that user x didnt read the article, yet u demonstrate there that u neither did read it. Expected rating =/ expectations.
2024-04-21 17:21
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I meant performs well enough for expected rating, I would assume that most people would see word "expectations" = "expected rating" when we're talking under this article. Because article is about rating and how that relates to certain positions, I would assume most people would correlate those two. Maybe I broke some unwritten language rule that I am not aware of.
2024-04-21 17:26
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11 replies
Expectations and expected rating completly different things here. Expected rating is based on performance compared to other players playing same positions. Expectations could be whatever the team or crowd or community thinks player is capable of doing.
2024-04-21 22:48
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10 replies
Can you point me to the part of of the article that has that word defined the way you did? Or paste a quote. Cause I went through it again and I do not see where is the distinguishing factor. Also, who the hell cares what audience thinks, most are clueless. People shit on hobbit while man's one of the best in the world in his roles. Clueless. No one in their right mind cares for crowd expectations.
2024-04-21 22:57
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I mean its clear, just think what expectations are? Its widely understand as the performance you expect someone to have. If you read the article, you see that expected rating instead of is the comparison between players playing the same spot, and does not necessarily tell anything about the expectations team has for player x. Yes u are right, no one should care about audience expectations for example. Its just one group setting expectations.
2024-04-21 23:04
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8 replies
I know what I said, expectations may mean something different to you and it's an unfortunate reality of conversing with others - there will be misunderstandings. I'm a man of math, studied measurement. When I say "expectation" I likely have some data that supports that expectation. Because otherwise, it's not an expectation - it's a guesswork. At least from how I see it.
2024-04-21 23:10
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Ofc, the basis of expectation is always based on some data, since if thats not the case, it wouldnt even be expectation anymore, just a random guess. What I am trying to say here, that the expected rating, even tho the concept has "expected" in its name, is different from expectation. This expected rating seems to be more like a benchmarking tool to see where players stand to each other. You can draw expectation from this benchmarking tool, but the expected rating itself seems not to be expectation, its the reality of past results measured in a certain way, and might or might not give you solid base for expectation itself.
2024-04-21 23:18
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we're far from establishing "expected rating" as an actual stat, it's used as a description here but it's far from perfect. Like mentioned in the article, Anubis CT side ratings are in the bin for everyone and teams that play that map more will suffer in that regard. It's a completely irrelevant comparison to take such team and compare it to any team that mains overpass for example. Also creating such stat for T sides would be a nightmare because players are rarely that dedicated and when the time comes to pull the trigged and execute - god fucking knows who is first and who does what. Sure there are tendencies but it would be hard to set it in stone. That's why I do not see the problem of using "expectations" to describe "expected rating" - because I used that before this article was a thing. Because I actually understand stats and how to properly use them, or as properly as possible to minimize errors.
2024-04-21 23:30
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Right. So based on this article, donk for example is overpeforming, right? So if you think this expected rating ls the same as expectation, you think donk is not that good player, as he is overperforming to expected rating? Or do you think, as you are seeing this expected rating as expectation, that donk will continue to overperform? But if you do this, you are actually telling that expected rating is different than expectation, just like I have been telling here.
2024-04-21 23:38
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I have told you multiple times what I meant, are you that dense? You have to be actively trying to misinterpret it. Donk is overperforming anyway, it's highly unlikely he'll sustain that rating because no other human did that ever. He's overperforming as a human and obviously overperforming in his role. Expected rating is not a stat, it's an approximation of what average should be. But it cannot be done because it's nearly impossible to find more than a few players with same exact roles. You being so anal about wording of something that's impossible is absurd.
2024-04-22 02:10
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Lol you think its about wording :D Idk mby dont tell others that they havent read the article, when your comments give a hint that you by urself havent read it :D Okay, now we agree, expected rating is not expectation.
2024-04-22 09:41
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you are arguing what 2 words mean and bringing in things no one mentioned like crowd bs. Fact that YOU understood that the wrong way has nothing to do with me, I'd call it a language barrier.
2024-04-22 11:37
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Im sorry but what is the problem now? In above you clearly seem to agree that expected rating is different thing than expectation. No misunderstanding at all? "Expected rating is not a stat, it's an approximation of what average should be." Exactly. So you cant expect every player are average, -> expected rating is completly different concept than expectation for single player.
2024-04-22 12:38
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I am disappointed in floppy. He was a player i thought was waiting to explode.
2024-04-21 12:37
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#228
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United States webchilla
Complexity as a whole underperforming. I guess T side demons?
2024-04-23 19:24
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#37
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Wales Hi_Im_New
This is amazing. How did you grab the data for the positions of all the players? Is that something you need to look at the demo and enter manually or is that automated in some way?
2024-04-21 12:40
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#80
Faceit level 10  | 
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United Kingdom NER0cs - HLTV.org
2024-04-21 13:25
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1. Are the stats collected from certain position only, eg. CT anubis middle, or does this mean ALL the rounds and whole round when player starts in CT anubis middle? Does CT anubis middle have some round time limitations? Eg. Stats read only during 1.55-1.10 mins.secs. 2. Are there hard limitations in the position eg. CT anubis middle, is it certain pre-determined area where the frags count, or if stats for the whole round when player has played CT anubis mid, is there some time requirement spent in the CT anubis mid pos?
2024-04-21 22:59
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#222
Faceit level 10  | 
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United Kingdom NER0cs - HLTV.org
It's manual, so it's just their position in default rounds and rating on CT halves.
2024-04-23 12:05
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NER0 goat
2024-04-21 12:41
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Get dycha out PLEASE he is ruining everyones career by being on this team. Worst ever contract renewal in cs history.
2024-04-21 12:42
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4 replies
Dycha did well in his old roles with Snappi, I do not understand why they changed his roles.
2024-04-21 14:58
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3 replies
Dycha was underperforming even under snappi after spinx left
2024-04-22 10:42
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2 replies
my point is that Dycha had a role that he was good at, whoever wants him to not play that role after extensive evidence that he won't play well in different roles is wasting their time.
2024-04-22 11:36
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1 reply
true that. Btw i was wrong, i just checked and his dip in form started with the blast paris major. So yeah idk what happened to him
2024-04-22 13:27
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#45
Faceit level 9  | 
sjokz | 
Poland Tony12PL
Block from Dycha incoming HLTV
2024-04-21 12:45
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Biguzera goat confirmed?
2024-04-21 12:45
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1 reply
+1
2024-04-21 14:27
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thanks for this insightful article Harry Richards
2024-04-21 12:47
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#56
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
rosen | 
Denmark hersej
banger article
2024-04-21 12:55
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common Harry "NER0" Richards banger
2024-04-21 13:01
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nero doing gods work as per usual
2024-04-21 13:06
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Of course, bot apEX occupying the best positions. Kick him ASAP Vitality!
2024-04-21 13:07
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10 replies
issue is that no one in Vitality has the balls to play those positions, him being the best at that in that team is a huge drawback. On top of that apex is second most dedicated anti-eco fragger, right after baitF. Unlike baitF, apex is dreadful on gun rounds, his real rating is laughable because huge portion of his kills are anti-ecos.
2024-04-21 14:52
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4 replies
mezii could easily play those positions and then Vitality could get an elite anchor like Jimpphat and they would be unbeatable.
2024-04-21 14:55
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3 replies
it's also a matter of dan's ego, he obviously has a very high ego so I am not sure if he's willing to let go on an ability to not show us his real rating without playing positions that guarantee a lot of engagement vs anti-ecos
2024-04-21 14:56
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2 replies
He should be playing these positions though since if he played anchor he would give up the site for free every time. Vitality just need to get rid of him immediately. There is no place for him in tier 1 CS.
2024-04-21 14:59
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he obviously works as a leader but not as a player, for me it's quite miserable to watch Vitality because apex is always against the best player on the opposing team meaning that 4/5 times he will give away his position for free. It's often heroism from other players or just mind-numbing bs from zywoo getting 2-3 kills in situations where most people would die for free. I do not like Vitality because of that, without zywoo that team would be around top 10.
2024-04-21 15:04
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That's why they should adapt Zywoo to IGL role asap Then - 0.95 rating Apex + 1.15-1.20 rated starplayer - Mezii + Jimmphat + good coach Would be better than prime Astralis on paper
2024-04-21 17:26
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4 replies
making zywoo igl is the dumbest shit i have red in a long time. gj
2024-04-22 13:11
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3 replies
Vitality CEO addmited they are preparing Zywoo to IGL role
2024-04-23 11:43
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2 replies
doesnt make it less stupid. make the introvert who doesnt really practice or like to put too much time into the game the IGL. CS CEO´s/sporting directors are the most clueless people in the scene
2024-04-23 12:21
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the myth about zywoo not practicing is just about him not aim training because he was already mechanically gifted you can already see he is talking more than apex on midrounds and he definitely reads the game like an igl introvert just means you don't like to unnecessarily talk to others but many introverts can become great leaders
2024-04-28 15:23
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#69
Faceit level 10  | 
siuhy | 
Poland makut0N
dycha is such a fraud, got best positions and still bottom fragging every game, this paycheck stealer gonna be fired after pro league lmao
2024-04-21 13:12
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1 reply
#71
Faceit level 10  | 
siuhy | 
Poland makut0N
perhaps for once people will stop flaming goofy, he is doing excellent work aside kylar and sometimes hades, but I hope that after EPL dycha will be no longer in the team and they can get top tier awper and fully transform hades to riffling
2024-04-21 13:14
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Can we know the average ratings for all of the ct positions ? You only showed us the best and worst spots but not all of them.
2024-04-21 13:12
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5 replies
+1
2024-04-21 13:15
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1 reply
#76
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Russia i0n1x
2024-04-21 13:20
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#75
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Russia i0n1x
2024-04-21 13:19
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#78
Faceit level 10  | 
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United Kingdom NER0cs - HLTV.org
I added a link under the photo
2024-04-21 13:25
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1 reply
Thank you
2024-04-21 17:18
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This kind of articles is why I read the news from this site. Absolute banger of an article.
2024-04-21 13:15
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biguzera goated
2024-04-21 13:20
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Man i would love to have a graph showing the top 30-80 teams, see how the lower tiers of CS plays out, who's out there doing what and really overperforming/underperforming for what role they play, even if their stats look average or slightly above average. Could show us potential young players to expect in the future, and other talent that we've known about, but have put to the wayside because their stats dont look THAT fantastic on paper, but they are really overperforming based on their role.
2024-04-21 13:25
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#81
Faceit level 10  | 
senka | 
Poland szlajmer
Great article, i would love to see this rating be implemented to player stat pages or at least have those stats for majors iM defenders, hobbit haters, axile defenders, norbert haters all proved wrong
2024-04-21 13:26
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amazing article.
2024-04-21 13:28
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#84
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Indonesia F0RGED
Another NER0 banger
2024-04-21 13:29
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SNAPPI KKKKK
2024-04-21 13:31
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#87
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Italy Zambrotta
dycha is so bad
2024-04-21 13:32
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#89
Faceit level 10  | 
Bulgaria sn0wcs
Amazing stuff from NER0. apex taking shit positions when?
2024-04-21 13:46
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Hold up so Goofy has the worst positions to hold? Damn I may have been wrong for hating on him, now this article makes me think that him and Kylar should stay and dycha + hades should get kicked
2024-04-21 13:47
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This article proves that dycha is really bad player right now and neeeds to be replaced
2024-04-21 13:50
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#93
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Romania garcea89
this will rock 99% of HLTV haters+baiters literally speaking facts on why some players getting better ratings and some worse goofy mega underrated apex literally gave himself best positions and punishing mezzi my question is wtf is Axile doing? he has some of the best positions on map and yet doing so poor
2024-04-21 13:54
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NER0 already blocked on twitter
2024-04-21 14:03
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#97
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Fiji uho
Absolute monster Nero.
2024-04-21 14:05
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isnt it related to shit economy with mr12 where after pistol round lose with bomb planted T side has better buy than CT also
2024-04-21 14:07
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#99
Faceit level 10  | 
s1mple | 
Bhutan testingTheories
Well done article.
2024-04-21 14:12
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Holy shit NER0 GOAT!
2024-04-21 14:10
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#102
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Poland Fixxxen
As I see you commenting here NER0, the last graph is a bit disorientating. For example some players (Goofy, players to the right and down from hunter) are above their target rating and still categorised in red quadrant as underperformers. A little tweak to those categories maybe?
2024-04-21 14:23
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Biguzados.
2024-04-21 14:24
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Biguzera +4 , he’s the team!
2024-04-21 14:29
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karrigan god
2024-04-21 14:31
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Another nero classic. Super interesting stuff. Quantifying positions is always a hard task, its nice to see it done successfully.
2024-04-21 14:33
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#109
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada kinley377
Nice read, another great article!
2024-04-21 14:34
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Magisk doesn't get enough credit.
2024-04-21 14:39
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Great article to shed some light on a lot of people using rating the wrong way. It's very easy to do it when people don't understand math, I feel like this is more digestible way for people to grasp that flat rating is not a thing - but rating per roles is a more tangible measurement.
2024-04-21 14:40
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Great analysis whoever Nero is. Bro should be in a better job frfr
2024-04-21 14:42
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Very good graph, but I would have liked to see it with more teams included.
2024-04-21 14:44
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Donk >>apex That's all I read .
2024-04-21 14:47
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quality article by nero the goat again
2024-04-21 14:52
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#126
Faceit level 10  | 
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Germany planierraupe
naming it ct worst and best spots is not the right wording. yea you get good ratings as a rotator on inferno, but cause you also safe more than a or b players. the "survive" category is a strange factor in this calculation imo
2024-04-21 15:25
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Goat has made another one
2024-04-21 15:42
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#137
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Yugoslavia yike$
Common ner0 w
2024-04-21 16:23
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zont1x at 18 years old by far the best rated anchor, and people on here and twitter wanted to convince me he needed to be kicked...
2024-04-21 16:26
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#142
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
KiMaRR | 
Lithuania disesion
this just shows that karrigan has figured out roles better than anyone else
2024-04-21 16:42
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#144
Miku | 
Canada bcf30
saffee underperforming by 0.53 LOL
2024-04-21 16:54
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one of the best posts ever made on this site a huge topic that people overlook
2024-04-21 17:24
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#148
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Brazil hugoooo
Biguzera being so good while also being the IGL wow what a monster
2024-04-21 17:26
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It would be cool to see the statistics without the captains
2024-04-21 17:31
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Expected from biguzera
2024-04-21 17:42
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I wonder how this type of analysis can help scouters, you mentioned you gathered this data manually but, if there was a way to automate this, it could easily change the scouting & transfers game.
2024-04-21 17:50
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I love you NER0, bestest articles <3
2024-04-21 18:11
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i'd love to see this kind of data with teams like liquid or furia, cause damn. Wtf are they doing wrong ?
2024-04-21 18:35
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#157
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Asia NinX
Ner0CS strike again with a beautiful piece of article. IM fans should take a note of this.
2024-04-21 18:40
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1 reply
The note: +1 Major Regards
2024-04-23 18:29
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#159
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Belgium w4lt3r
another certified nero banger article
2024-04-21 18:47
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Thank you ner0 for giving me more ammo to keep asking NaVi to replace Mr. Almost Major MVP iM. I am really surprised how willing NaVi want to keep him when you can get like blameF or anyone else.
2024-04-21 18:49
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dycha(
2024-04-21 19:01
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biguzera is the best BR player right now but some r3tards still believe that baiter kscerato bests him
2024-04-21 19:10
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1 reply
Biguzera baits a lot too. The team is literally set for him to shine..
2024-04-21 19:31
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Can iM defenders stfu now when they say he's a supportive element or wver. Also HooXi showing he's ass is gold too.
2024-04-21 19:39
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#168
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Fiji Henpai
Interesting
2024-04-21 19:58
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ENCE BnTeT Polando king when?
2024-04-21 20:00
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So Anubis ct suck everywhere?
2024-04-21 20:41
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Meaningless numbers and speculations. Reality is different!
2024-04-21 21:21
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#174
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Sweden Vrede
mezii KEKW
2024-04-21 22:04
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interesting
2024-04-21 23:28
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#184
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Brazil Mokaine
Crazy to think Bigu is an igl, perhaps the igl with most fragging potential out there
2024-04-21 23:36
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#186
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Brazil setsz
W
2024-04-22 00:59
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#187
Faceit level 6  | 
NiKo | 
Canada swagcrazy
ofc iM in the "easiest positions" list
2024-04-22 01:20
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1 reply
#250
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Europe Zahun
"easiest positions" like B Conn on Anubis lol
2024-04-26 12:09
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This is a great article, these are pretty much the best content on hltv (apart from matchpages). With that being said, I'd say the most important takeaway from the article is still the last paragraph: "Comparing apples to apples is close to impossible with the differences in team's style and philosophy but at least now we are comparing apples to other fruit, instead of a completely different food group." Any stat, even a more sophisticated one, will degenerate into fuel for bad faith arguments and idiocy if context is ignored. God forbid anything like that should happen on hltv...
2024-04-22 10:07
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NER0cs you should put your time into developing a meaningful Rating 3.0 version instead of wasting time and effort trying to make sense of these Rating 2.0 garbage numbers.
2024-04-22 10:54
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1 reply
+1
2024-04-22 15:12
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#202
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World wendelar
best articles
2024-04-22 11:27
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HooXi is a true gigachad. Takes the hardest spots
2024-04-22 15:54
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Biguzera rating is an absurd
2024-04-22 17:29
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Biguzera goat
2024-04-22 17:54
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#216
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Denmark JonnaJohn
This is a great article, but if I understand it correctly, the descriptions/areas on the scatter plot are misleading. Being to the right is not necessarily *over*performance (relative to ones target), its just *high* performance. Relative *over*performance would be below/right of a diagonal line, not the vertical one drawn here. For example, Magixx is one of the highest over-performers according to the bar graph, but on the scatter plot he's almost right on the vertical "under/over"-divide.
2024-04-22 18:55
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"with rotator IGLs like William "⁠mezii⁠" Merriman and Boris "⁠magixx⁠" Vorobiev." am I misunderstanding something?
2024-04-22 20:44
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#218
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Denmark JonnaJohn
I had to re-read it a couple of times, but I think they mean "on teams where the IGL is not an anchor but a rotator (apEX/Chopper), other players are primary anchors (who have the hardest positions) (mezii/magixx)".
2024-04-22 20:52
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Clap 🎉
2024-04-22 21:53
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NER0 GOAT!!!!
2024-04-23 06:44
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#223
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Iran oldHabit
Awesome article
2024-04-23 12:14
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#226
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United States webchilla
Super interesting. I just wish we could see a fully labeled scatter plot.
2024-04-23 19:05
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1 reply
#227
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United States webchilla
Oh nvm it's linked in small text :D
2024-04-23 19:07
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This might be one of the best analysis I’ve ever seen about CSGO. Bravo!
2024-04-24 18:00
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donk god
2024-04-24 19:48
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Really nice content :D
2024-04-25 10:44
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crazy good article.
2024-04-25 13:31
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This is cool
2024-04-26 05:01
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Awesome article, but that scatterplot is difficult to decipher visually. The slope of 1 is almost vertical and the axis scaling isn't consistent either. If HLTV needs a data visualization contractor, I'd gladly do it. It's been a big part of my day job for a couple years now.
2024-04-26 09:39
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does anyone have a resource as to show which players play which spots on each map like that surely exists based on this article right
2024-04-29 12:21
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Can anyone simplify this with 1960s baseball terms?
2024-04-29 13:46
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France Strayke
ty NER0. crazy good article
2024-05-12 21:51
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