Sources: Liquid weighing up cadiaN's future

16-5-2024 19:21

The North American organization could soon pull the trigger on changes after some challenging months.

cadiaN's time with Liquid could soon come to an end

Liquid are exploring the possibility of benching IGL/AWPer Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller, sources with knowledge of the situation have told HLTV. However, a decision about the team's future won't be made before IEM Dallas, which could be the Danish player's final event with the team.

This comes after a rough start to Liquid's new era following an overhaul of the team at the end of 2023. The North American organization brought back Russel "⁠Twistzz⁠" Van Dulken and head coach Wilton "⁠zews⁠" Prado and signed cadiaN and Felipe "⁠skullz⁠" Medeiros, forming what on paper appeared to be a title contender.

But the team has struggled to live up to such high expectations. The first blow came when Liquid failed to qualify for the Copenhagen Major after losing to FURIA and Complexity in the Americas RMR.

That setback could be written off as a bad tournament for a team still trying to find the right way to mesh different styles and ways to see the game.

cadiaN interview: Major blow, Chengdu improvements & 2024 goals

Liquid showed improvements in their playoff runs at IEM Chengdu and ESL Pro League 19, but sources said that the atmosphere within the team is still not positive, which could lead to the first change since the roster came together.

Before flying out to Dallas, the team will also compete in the CCT Global Finals. They are slated to face OG on Saturday in Group C, which also includes paiN and AMKAL.

Date	Matches
CCT Global Finals 2024
18/05/2024	Liquid 21:50 OG	Match

2024-05-16 19:21

31 replies

-comediaN +jks = easy top 40 team

2024-05-16 19:44

20 replies

yeah so no igl or awp and a trash washed up player is gonna solve liquid's problems

2024-05-16 20:24

19 replies

- cadian - yekindar + art + malbs + portuguese course for twistz and naf

2024-05-16 22:00

7 replies

Does malbs speak Portuguese? Or are you saying Spanish is close enough to understand.

2024-05-17 17:32

3 replies

He played at Team One for almost two years

2024-05-17 18:53

It s easier for BR players to understand spanish then the contrary but despite being close, I don t think it would be that easy

2024-05-17 19:17

1 reply

he speaks fluent portuguese

2024-05-21 18:00

-SA CS +b0t

2024-05-17 23:19

It has to be BR fan who thinks Art is better than Cadian. Arts is just an igl who like to die first so he can call from the back and dies first in banana inf in the first 20 seconds of 70% of the rounds he plays on that map, both at competitive and while streaming

2024-05-18 14:43

1 reply

Dont forget his will to play Auto sniper just to lose it round after round

2024-05-20 19:46

trash washed up player??? meds asap pls

2024-05-16 23:54

2 replies

hes not lying.... lol

2024-05-17 00:28

of course a jks fan is a "meds" spammer 100% expected

2024-05-17 14:24

trash washed up player? are you talking about arT?

2024-05-17 00:39

1 reply

art is also washed, jks they are both trash

2024-05-18 04:38

You think Jks is washed? Clueless moron. We're not talking about Art bud.

2024-05-17 03:07

3 replies

you grasp on to that patriotism boi! i promise you the old dog still has at least 6 months of 1.00 rating on a t2 team left. That is the frontrunner for your country, hell, even region! Your best player!

2024-05-17 14:26

2 replies

The irony of a Dane talking about grasping onto patriotism on a post about washed up Cadian and probably supporting Dupreeh to this day is funny. I can tell you have no idea just from the fact you pointed out his rating. If you think a bloke who had a 1,24 at Katowice 2023 magically forgot how to play at a high level in less than a year ago then yeah, again you've got no idea.

2024-05-18 01:15

1 reply

I like that you had to straw man by saying I support the 10th best Danish player. Kind of explains the whole situation perfectly, doesn't it? :D

2024-05-18 01:35

mad

2024-05-17 10:20

top 40 incoming

2024-05-17 22:44

Before YEKINDAR lol

2024-05-17 03:02

It was just 6 months and they are considering getting rid of IGL??? Thats like factory reset. Not to mention that CadiaN is actually one of the better IGLs out there, its a fact that IGLs have worse rating than non-IGL roles. If theres someone to get rid of then it would be Skullz preferably Yekindar. And if you think its the way the team is playing then consider if its not Coach whos the problem. And if you get rid of CadiaN I wanna see Liquid finding someone with this "good" rating for IGL player and energetic player such as is Casper himself.

2024-05-17 13:25

8 replies

2024-05-17 14:37

Yeah weird, hasnt he been doing ok at least?

2024-05-17 15:18

+1 take

2024-05-17 17:14

+1 wtf

2024-05-17 21:57

imagine going -cadian and not -yekinbot hahahah Lulquit

2024-05-17 23:23

They allude to a bad vibe on the team. Cadian must be at the center of it. They need to fix the work environment before worrying about ratings. Otherwise Cadian wouldn't be the first to go.

2024-05-19 01:56

1 reply

if it's bad vibes from Cadian i bet it's him trying to have discipline and hard work, and some others are like "NOO i just wanna fuck around lol" attitude. I don't see any other reasons that could be the case tbh. That, or some players having egos the size of the universe thinking they should be IGL instead of the ACTUAL one

2024-05-20 13:02

+2458963478563

2024-05-19 16:54

Before YEKINDAR lol

2024-05-16 19:21

73 replies

yeah that is insane

2024-05-16 19:22

5 replies

he will be probably kicked as well since they would will need awp as well, but issue is also that they have too many passive players

2024-05-16 19:34

3 replies

just get donk

2024-05-16 22:31

2 replies

just

2024-05-17 00:20

1 reply

Yeah EZ

2024-05-19 16:54

That just says people are not getting along with Cadian or his calling style imo.

2024-05-17 03:35

Yekindar needs to go first....

2024-05-16 19:22

5 replies

and skullz.. IMO those two alone make it impossible to make a top-15 team, they belong in 15-20 teams

2024-05-16 20:27

4 replies

skullz has played solid though for his roles imo. Yekindqr however seems to live on the bottom of the scoreboard. Nothing like the old yekindar.

2024-05-16 21:25

3 replies

Have you seen his ct sides.

2024-05-17 00:37

2 replies

He anchors

2024-05-17 04:31

1 reply

terribly

2024-05-17 14:12

Kekinder is the problem

2024-05-16 19:22

41 replies

bunny - this is shocking news to me as a Liquid fan -cadian before -yekindar ????? I’m speechless bunny

2024-05-16 22:33

39 replies

So true bunny Even I supported liquid, but it seems like that won't be the case anymore

2024-05-17 05:41

38 replies

I’ll have a hard time supporting them if they drop cadian bunny

2024-05-17 13:55

37 replies

+1 Istg kekinder is the new CEO of liquid or smth, like why tf isn't he kicked yet?

2024-05-17 13:56

36 replies

he pushes every smoke and leaves Liquid 4v5 every round :(

2024-05-17 13:56

35 replies

Exactly, he is like the 0 iq version of xertion

2024-05-17 13:57

34 replies

HA true - good one bunny!!! 🤣

2024-05-17 13:58

33 replies

Ty mens I actually liked yekindar back in 2022, he is so lost now I'm shocked tbh

2024-05-17 13:58

14 replies

he was solid when he was on VP for sure he became IGL and shit his pants

2024-05-17 14:15

13 replies

Agreed. It's surprising to me tbh, because he wasn't even that bad during 2023 He did well at the blast major

2024-05-17 14:17

12 replies

I know … it’s a sad fall off because he’s a good kid too … maybe he can pull it together idk mens

2024-05-17 15:59

11 replies

I think he will benefit from a change in system, he just doesn't fit in this system My point will be irrelevant if cadian leaves but imo he should be the one to go first

2024-05-17 16:01

10 replies

2 things can be true at the same time bunny

2024-05-17 17:04

9 replies

Well I do hope for that

2024-05-17 17:05

8 replies

me too :) maybe some orange milk will help edit #421

2024-05-17 21:42

7 replies

Ty mens))

2024-05-17 21:51

6 replies

amazing to watch 1 guy talk to himself with his alts

2024-05-18 15:50

5 replies

No proof, don't bother crying))

2024-05-18 15:52

4 replies

ofc instant reply also xDDDD

2024-05-18 15:52

3 replies

No proof, so ur just crying here xddd

2024-05-18 16:08

2 replies

love you orange cat my favourite hltv user xoxoxoxo

2024-05-18 16:17

1 reply

kkk nt

2024-05-18 16:23

Why do you call each other bunny?🤨

2024-05-17 20:10

17 replies

I stole it from the HLTV GOAT OrangeCat and he calls everyone bunny because he’s a very friendly mens

2024-05-17 21:40

16 replies

Nah ur more friendly

2024-05-17 21:51

15 replies

#409 bunny))

2024-05-17 22:06

14 replies

Nah I genuinely think ur a nice guy Like I do argue with some peeps here, but u just seem to be friendly with most of the peeps here

2024-05-17 22:07

13 replies

thanks mens … I do try to be super nice to everyone … I’ll still meme and really lightly troll, but it’s just for the lulz, and I hope others get lulz from it as well :)

2024-05-17 22:54

12 replies

Hey nothing wrong with some troll mens))

2024-05-18 06:44

11 replies

Troll can be fun mens 😈😈😈😈😈

2024-05-18 12:56

10 replies

Absolutely, me love some occasional troll

2024-05-18 13:02

9 replies

imagine some troll with some orange milk? that would be a perfect day bunny

2024-05-18 13:10

8 replies

+1 i agree

2024-05-18 13:46

7 replies

how’s your day going btw dude

2024-05-18 13:47

6 replies

Ye it's going fine Kinda bored tbh, no college. Just trying to delve more into the stuff I like

2024-05-18 13:50

5 replies

you’re done school for the year now?

2024-05-18 13:50

4 replies

1st year of college is done, 2 month vacation going on rn

2024-05-18 13:51

3 replies

ayyyy congrats bro but I know the feeling of boredom after finishing first year it’s like - party study party study okay now it’s over everyone move back home for a few months it’s depressing bro lol

2024-05-18 13:53

2 replies

Ikr mens I miss my friends and college, but it's nice to be back home for a while It's pretty boring though xd, i thought I would enjoy more

2024-05-18 13:54

1 reply

when I was in university (over 10 years ago for me lol) I just worked like a dog in the summer and tried to score with the local girls I knew 🤣👌🏻

2024-05-18 13:58

-cadian -yekindar -skullz +malbs +s1n +slaxz

2024-05-17 05:45

wtf is wrong with liquid

2024-05-16 19:34

1 reply

Yekindar

2024-05-16 20:44

2024-05-16 19:36

+1 literally unbelievable how they focus cadian instead of yekindar

2024-05-16 19:49

I was just coming to ask what about YEKINDAR. Dude has fallen off immensely.

2024-05-16 20:00

+1 lmao, wtf is wrong with TL

2024-05-16 20:00

2024-05-16 20:02

2024-05-16 20:08

Yekindar has Liquid Owner's noodes or something smh

2024-05-16 20:18

1 reply

I swear!

2024-05-16 21:43

Both could be fine with a better functioning team, I mean yek and skullz.

2024-05-16 20:37

+1 insane

2024-05-16 20:52

Actually shitting myself how do they not see how bad yeki is

2024-05-16 23:01

2 replies

getting blind sided by his past performance from CS:GO and thinking that he'll go back to that form in CS2 (he won't)

2024-05-17 14:35

I think its confirmed that he has massive sway within the team itself and its was proven with him bringing his pug friends patsi and rainwaker and he also earns a massive salary, i think yeki is trying to make an igl comeback. Also Elige left because he wasnt having much of a say in the team with yeki (he said it himself on the talking counter podcast)

2024-05-17 15:26

he's paying liquid XD

2024-05-17 00:32

Yeki has terrible maps and terrific where he’s carrying the whole team. If there are issues in Liquid it’s not Yeki’s or skullz’s individual performances it’s Cadian’s calls.

2024-05-17 00:49

1 reply

call ur doctor and ask for additional meds if u think kekinder is carrying

2024-05-17 06:35

Yek's played them all for a fool for years now. Convinced TL to make changes and give him the reins without anything to show for it.

2024-05-17 02:13

Lmao

2024-05-16 19:21

Before YEKINDAR lol

2024-05-16 19:21

1 reply

or zews... hasn't achieved anything in ages or improved a team imo

2024-05-16 21:01

Before Yekindar and Skulls?

2024-05-16 19:22

11 replies

Ikr! Insane

2024-05-16 21:43

Maybe his calling is part reason why yekindar and skullz arent performing, just saying. Astralis is a prime example what change of IGL can do to players. Jabbi and stavn were literal trashbags with blamef calling and now they're insane with device.

2024-05-16 22:28

9 replies

I don't think yekindar and skulls losing aim duels is Cadian's fault. Liquid ain't working because as they've confesed, everyone has a said in how they should play. If that's want, they shouldn't have picked Cadian too...

2024-05-16 22:46

7 replies

Whilst I agree to an extent, being in positions and taking aim duels you don’t feel comfortable in is down to igl and to you as a player to an extent not communicating that. So while it is mainly individual, there might be more to it. If you don’t feel comfortable taking an aim duel in a position you are playing you’re more likely than not going to lose that aim duel.

2024-05-17 13:19

6 replies

That's all good, but kekindar can't even shoot people in the back lately. At this point, it's not a cadian problem for sure, hahaha.

2024-05-17 13:37

5 replies

Yeah I think skullz is more likely to fall into that category than yekindar just based upon his performance for the past year and a half or so, but it is one of those things to think about.

2024-05-17 13:38

4 replies

I'd try removing kekindar first. He's been straight ass for longer than a year now, and he's showing no signs of recovery. He needs a good few months on the bench imho. Now, I'm not sure what roles skullz had in paiN, but since twistzz and NAF are super flexible riflers, they can easily give some of his old roles back. Then Liquid can find someone who'd take the remaining stuff.

2024-05-17 13:53

3 replies

I think a trial with another aggressive rifler is 100% defo needed, that then identifies whether its a cadian problem or a skullz/yekindar problem. If Cadian can switch up the positions and what sort of initiative skullz needs to take then we might be onto something, because at least you can see skullz can aim. If skullz doesn't improve nor does the new rifler, then fingers point to cadian there imo.

2024-05-17 14:16

2 replies

Yeah, agreed. Benching cadian before kekindar would be a gargantuan mistake.

2024-05-17 15:09

1 reply

Let's hope its just a rumour, but can't be good for cadian either way tbh, just having those question marks and doubts over your head.

2024-05-17 15:16

but blamef also just isnt a good igl, cadian is, maybe not top tier but definitely a good one

2024-05-17 14:58

G2 Cadian welcome!

2024-05-16 19:22

22 replies

Was my first thought too

2024-05-16 19:23

M0nesy C9? And hooxi where ?

2024-05-16 19:24

20 replies

Cadian rifle

2024-05-16 19:25

Cadian said he was open to rifling when he first got kicked by Heroic. Hooxi will probably just get benched until his contract expires in that situation because nobody wants him.

2024-05-16 19:26

m0nesy stays cadian supportive rifler if g2 are looking for changes this will probably be on top with -hunter +nertz/heavyG or someone

2024-05-16 19:27

2 replies

Heroic looking good so far with Degster. So i think nertZ want to stay for some time. HeavyGod would be a +1

2024-05-16 19:31

1 reply

Heavygod is probably pretty cheap as well, he also speaks Russian/Ukrainian so he would fit the Slavic team identity

2024-05-17 03:04

No team would pick hooxi up if he left g2

2024-05-16 19:34

14 replies

I disagree. HooXi has showed that he's capable of calling in T1 on multiple occasions, and I know HooXi is known for not being able to kill, but there's a lot of IGLs in T1 incapable of making an impact too. HooXi has a rating of 0.91 in the past 3 months, here's a list of IGLs within +0.05 rating of HooXi or below him. Karrigan = +0.05 (0.96) Aleksib = +0.00 (0.91) MAJ3R = +0.05 (0.96) kyxsan = +0.05 (0.96) Snappi = -0.06 (0.85) nafany = +0.00 (0.91) gla1ve = +0.05 (0.96) nexa and huNter both needs to go before HooXi goes, they've been pulling this current G2 team down by A LOT.

2024-05-16 19:50

7 replies

Now also compare vs what teams played and then make the list again.

2024-05-16 20:13

5 replies

he literally made a valid list and you come up with no argument at all, how about you make list to prove him wrong then?

2024-05-16 20:19

4 replies

because there is a huge difference if you rate 0.91 against Spirit, or if you rate it against Aurora. that is essentially the point. you need to look at it also from the perspective of who they played. if he farms against lower tier teams then his rating isn't justified. it is a valid argument.

2024-05-16 22:37

3 replies

So you are saying Hooxi is "farming" against lower tier teams while all the mentioned IGLs playing only top 5? The only players I see "farming" in that list are majer and nafany

2024-05-16 23:50

2 replies

if you filter karrigan to top 5, it becomes 0.98 for him, 0.99 even vs top 10. let me make a list for you vs top 10 teams past 3 months: Karrigan = 0.99 AleksiB = 0.83 (Actual tier 2 farmer.) Maj3r= 1.00 Kyxsan= 0.97 Snappi= 1.00 nafany= 0.00 since he didnt play any top 10 team in the past 3 months, so is legit a horrible comparison in this list as well. Gla1ve= 0.85 (also Tier 2 farmer). HooXi= 0.92 (actually better with 0.1 than vs tier2, unexpected.) He is only better than 2 IGL's in this entire list. Since you seem to cannot use the search function to look up Nafany not playing top 10 even, while you claimed they all played top 5 ''only' for the past 3 months, I cannot take you serious at all. HooXi is worse than most modern IGL's, the only 2 teams where he is better than the current IGL are not looking to replace IGL, not only is his fragging subpar, but his calling makes it worse. aleksiB wins with a literal 0.83 rating vs top10 a freaking major, meanwhile G2 is stranding in quarterfinals. there is 0 argument for any team to pick up an IGL who is both lacking in firepower and not making up for it in strats. So again, it is more than a valid statement and point. now I hope you learned to not yell out stuff which is statistically and factually false.

2024-05-17 02:22

to further add to the point that rating isn't the only useful thing, lets compare impact,dpr,adr,kpr and KAST as from him against top 10 vs all other listed IGLs. Karrigan: DPR- 0.71 KAST 67.6 Impact 1.08(!) ADR 69.4 and KPR 0.64 AleksiB: DPR 0.70 KAST 65.8 Impact 0.76 ADR 61.1 KPR 0.50 Maj3r: DPR 0.64 KAST 70.9 Impact 0.96 ADR 68.2 KPR 0.60 Kyxsan: DPR 0.68 KAST 70.2 Impact 0.96 ADR 69.9(nice) KPR 0.59 Snappi: DPR 0.70 KAST 71.4 Impact 0.93 ADR 70.3 KPR 0.67 Nafany: (absolutely 0 as he didnt play top 10 in the past 3 months.) Gla1ve: DPR: 0.74 KAST 66.7 Impact 0.87 ADR 60.6 KPR 0.55 and now the Hooxi: DPR 0.70 KAST 70.7 Impact 0.89 ADR 64.9 KPR 0.56 Again overall worse than the other IGL's except for Gla1ve and AleksiB his impact rate and ADR is abysmal. his ADR being low wouldn't be an issue if he had decent impact rating, but he lacks that as well. Do you still need convincing that his ''0.91'' past 3 months rating means absolutely nothing and he is worse than most of the other IGL's? Pretty sure if I throw Apex in there along with Siuhy he looks even WORSE.

2024-05-17 02:32

The Hooxi´s problem is his style of calling. When you watch G2 games, there is nothing special. G2´s playstyle is based on aim and thats a problem, when you have only one consistent player. If you look for example on karrigan, he always has gameplan (roundplan) in his head. So comparing IGLs with their ratings is nonsense (great example was BlameF in Astralis).

2024-05-16 20:32

if nafany found a team then i think hooxi also can

2024-05-16 20:01

3 replies

Nafany is a Russian speaking IGL, which is a different market than the international one.

2024-05-16 20:53

1 reply

exactly, theres way more international lineups than russian, thank you for proving me right

2024-05-16 21:23

Mate, nafany's individual floor is Hooxi's ceiling. He is also younger. Also nafany himself has assembled this team from benched players and without coach. It is his project. Hooxi is welcome to do the same.

2024-05-17 03:59

DELUSIONAL

2024-05-17 04:29

Liquid

2024-05-17 04:35

He should be kicked with yekindar

2024-05-16 19:22

1 reply

And skullz

2024-05-16 21:44

Clown Org

2024-05-16 19:22

LMAOOOOOOO IS THAT TRUE?????

2024-05-16 19:22

LMAO

2024-05-16 19:22

without kicking yekindar first is insane

2024-05-16 19:22

CADIAN BEFORE YEKINDAR??????

2024-05-16 19:22

xaxaxaxa Liquid unserious org

2024-05-16 19:22

BROO WE NEEED -YEKINDAR -SKULZZ FIRST ASAP WTF ARE THEY DOINNNN

2024-05-16 19:22

2 replies

+1 :(

2024-05-16 19:40

1 reply

Flag + flair You ain't wrong tho, this is braindead

2024-05-16 20:01

Yekindar

2024-05-16 19:22

omg

2024-05-16 19:23

Wow, who even gonna replace him ?

2024-05-16 19:23

3 replies

Go to nitro, ask him to pick up his mouse and keyboard again, the team goes nowhere soon, nitro retires again. Liquid loop

2024-05-16 19:39

2 replies

2024-05-17 00:36

2024-05-17 10:23

"Sources"

2024-05-16 19:23

2 replies

alkemist leaked it first,has to be true(fr)

2024-05-16 19:26

sources = yekindar

2024-05-17 03:39

Yekindar has some US national secrets or something

2024-05-16 19:23

4 replies

He has to have insane blackmail on the entire Liquid staff or something to stay on the roster so long while having such massive influence over it too. I can't believe it otherwise.

2024-05-16 19:28

3 replies

I think they invested too much in kekinder to do anything about it now. Cadian was on the outs so maybe they got him cheap. Kekinder was supposed to be this top 10 player/igl in one. He might have signed a longer contract, with liquid having to pay him more id they bench him. And they'd have to pay him, as I doubt any team would want yekinder. Especially not at what liquid pays him

2024-05-17 04:10

2 replies

I'd argue they have invested so much in Yekindar that they have no choice but to cut their losses at this point. Any more is burning resources for no good reason. If we didn't have more major slots from Brazilian teams doing well, they'd be completely fucked right now. Maybe they still are. Either way, they have breathing room to continue this failed Yekindar experiment when really they should be moving on. It was always a mistake to scrap the entire stratbook and have him play a central role in how the team would play for the foreseeable future. No sane management would stake that much of their org on a single person because of the obvious pitfalls. In usual Liquid fashion, they fell into every single one of them because of course they did. Now they're paying the price of having their roster be irremediably fucked for years with no clear fix in sight.

2024-05-17 04:29

Pure speculation but I think it has to do with shady deal Liquid made with VP when Yekinder "bought his contact out". Money likely came from Liquid so there are possibly money guaranteed in contact to cover that buyout or something like that.

2024-05-17 04:30

they could do with a more aggresive IGL so yekindar doesn't always have to attempt entries and die.. but who knows, idk man. i was hoping for a cadian bounce back after everything that happened with heroic. for the guy to get to play with players like Twistzz, you'd hope he'd have more success than he has in liquid

2024-05-16 19:23

3 replies

Imagine if they get Stewie2K

2024-05-16 19:45

1 reply

id be so mad man

2024-05-16 21:13

yeki and skullz just bad that most games from liquid feels like 3vs5...

2024-05-16 20:47

cadian was and still is very overrated; tier 2 awper + tier 1.5 igl = good player apparently

2024-05-16 19:23

10 replies

yapping just to yap

2024-05-16 19:25

1 reply

Name

2024-05-17 07:36

tier 1.5 IGL casually holds #1 on HLTV team ranking for half a year

2024-05-16 19:44

4 replies

no tier1 igl play csgo anymore I'm afraid

2024-05-16 19:52

3 replies

I'm sorry to bring it to you but the small utility changes don't affect how someone thinks about the game, Shit can be seen, foolria remains garbage from csgo to cs2

2024-05-16 19:56

2 replies

in that case t1.5 igl is actually generous considering how long he lasted in liquid

2024-05-16 19:57

1 reply

as if liquid were ever t1 since 2019. Maybe it's liquid who's destroying yekindar, not the other way around

2024-05-17 08:04

yet more memorable clutches in tier1 than your star rifler flair

2024-05-16 21:10

2 replies

2024-05-16 22:15

the only thing memorable about cadian are his clutches cuz he's an awper 1.07 awper btw these are some acoR numbers

2024-05-16 23:10

LOL keeping bot skullz, gz zews! Coach of the year.

2024-05-16 19:24

this makes 0 sense from an outsider perspective

2024-05-16 19:24

1 reply

Agreed

2024-05-16 19:41

LOL already

2024-05-16 19:24

lmao yekindar gang stay winning

2024-05-16 19:24

5 replies

Disgusting tattoos. He looks like shit

2024-05-16 19:51

4 replies

ok. thx for your opinion.

2024-05-16 23:46

Justin Average is going to miss another major team less cause ZERO teams want him btw.

2024-05-17 01:43

1 reply

Justin is a reliable player with a lot to add to a lot of teams. He needs to be less autismo and speak more however.

2024-05-17 08:08

Lol

2024-05-17 09:46

Either Liquid has some serious human rights violations in their closet which yekindar is ready to leak any minute, or the management is beyond lost. How is he surviving this long in that team.

2024-05-16 19:24

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Nobody knows. Yekindar is one of the biggest underperformers in „tier 1“, even much worse than hunter.

2024-05-16 20:56

s0mple Liquid here we go

2024-05-16 19:25

-yekindar first,give cadian time lol

2024-05-16 19:25

>Liquid showed improvements in their playoff runs at IEM Chengdu and ESL Pro League 19, but sources said that the atmosphere within the team is still not positive They should do more bonding time maybe

2024-05-16 19:25

I knew this team wouldn't work... but cadian is NOT the issue with this team.

2024-05-16 19:25

Surprising but kinda makes sense I guess. A lot of people thought this roster was gonna cook, and I mean it certainly has the pieces to (apart from Yeki). The only other thing that could’ve made sense in my mind is -Yeki, sign an IGL (ideally young NA but not totally necessary) and move Cadian to just AWP. If you sign a young NA IGL then Cadian can coach and nurture him and then Liquid have secured themselves a decent future with a young NA IGL (literally rarer than gold).

2024-05-16 19:26

6 replies

cadiaN isn't THAT AWPer. Just keep him as an IGL and rifler and get a cracked kid from CIS to AWP.

2024-05-16 19:52

5 replies

The thing is the problems with this team go deeper than firepower, personally I think they have more than enough firepower. When they played Astralis they looked really good, fired up and hitting shots. I genuinely thought they were gonna win and it was stressful as fuck to watch, but they threw away the game with some unexplainably bad rounds/calls/decisions. That’s why looking for a new IGL is probably not a bad idea. Plus I know Cadian isn’t THAT guy but he is a very decent AWPer and will do for now, he has that clutch potential and X factor, and he will probably get a little bit better if he drops the IGL duties. Eventually you’d replace him, maybe with a cracked NA AWPer (if one exists by then, or maybe give Junior a try coz there was that like 2 week period where he was fucking nuts for EG so maybe he’s actually pretty good who knows?) and go full Americas lineup, but keep him for a while to mentor the new IGL. That’d be what I’d do anyway.

2024-05-16 20:04

4 replies

cadiaN is 28 so you don't expect him to get better with the AWP. And liquid doesn't have that much firepower tbh with Yekindar dying first in every round. Skullz is also a liability on T-side but pretty solid on CT. With CS2 you need much more firepower. Problem is you need to remove more than just cadiaN from this roster. I'd imagine they're looking to make at least three changes because you need an IGL and AWPer if you bench cadiaN because it wouldn't make sense to have him on the team with a new IGL.

2024-05-16 20:21

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Many problems could be fixed by a new IGL and a new system tho. Is Skullz shit on T side because he's a useless T player or is it because he's being used incorrectly? Is Yeki really that bad or is he just lost and in need of guidance? Is Twistzz washed or will he look like his old self under a different/in a new system? Imo with a team this promising and this dysfunctional, you need to change the system and the way the team is ran before you change the individual pieces. Plus When I said Cadian might get better I didn't mean to say it as if he has loads of untapped potential or anything. You're right, he is 28 and has certainly hit his ceiling but I do think his AWPing will improve slightly if he drops the IGL duties because he'd just have more time to focus purely on the AWP, and I've had a theory for a while that Cadian's AWPing suffers pretty massively from having to IGL, because A. when he's in a clutch he just starts hitting everything it's insane, and B. I've seen him die tons of times where he gets peaked and whiffs but if you look at cams you could see him talking so he's having to call while holding an angle with AWP and I don't think anyone in the world could maintain the kind of focus needed to hold an angle with the AWP in T1 while calling for your team at the same time.

2024-05-16 22:04

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I agree, AWPing and IGLing at the same time can be hard, but I still feel that IGLing and being a secondary AWPer would be the best option for him. It's like Karrigan back in TSM. He could AWP but he wasn't a cracked AWPer. It's the same with cadiaN. I don't expect him to be a Broky or even Torzsi level AWP even when he's not IGLing, and that's what you need in the current meta. CS2 is all about fragging.

2024-05-16 22:35

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Tbh I think he could reach Torzi's level. Definitely not Broky's level but Imo he definitely can be at the level that Liquid need for now, so long as they address other pressing issues first. I just don't think replacing Cadian 1 to 1 is necessarily the most crucial solution right now. I definitely could be wrong tho.

2024-05-16 23:19

Comedian can't achieve nothing without stabbi

2024-05-16 19:26

bruh, they don't pull the plug post major fail and then when they are now improving, they now pull the plug...

2024-05-16 19:26

yekindar = hobbit

2024-05-16 19:26

latvian special forces literally have twistzz's hair product cupboard hostage... now i get it.

2024-05-16 19:26

1 reply

LMFAOOO

2024-05-16 20:05

This team is finished

2024-05-16 19:26

welcome fnatic cadian yes, i'm coping.

2024-05-16 19:26

4 replies

-afro -bodyy +CadiaN +Promising rifle prospect could be cooking (im also massively coping)

2024-05-16 20:52

2 replies

+sdy maybe? CadiaN BlameF Sdy MATYS KRIMZ Could be cooking

2024-05-16 21:15

1 reply

True +Sdy he is a free agent so i can see that happening and the team does look really decent

2024-05-16 21:25

this would go crazy

2024-05-16 23:07

If liquid really comes back it will be a joke in my humble opinion, they will end up with the name that was well represented.

2024-05-16 19:27

deserved for Cheatdian shouldnt be allowed to compete to begin with

2024-05-16 19:27

cadian to tsm ?

2024-05-16 19:27

3 replies

They are signing acoR already

2024-05-16 19:27

They already got acoR Wont happen

2024-05-16 19:29

Cadian to fnatic would make a lot of sense now tbh

2024-05-16 20:54

Yekindar and Skullz staying xdddddddddddddddd

2024-05-16 19:27

Removing cadiaN before removing zews skullz and yekindar is WILDDDDD lmao ... poor Twistzz run as fast as you can to Vitality

2024-05-16 19:27

If this does happen, NiP should really pick up cadiaN, get rid of alex, and maybe then I'll actually have something to look forwards to with their rework.

2024-05-16 19:28

Lol liquid management Botinder - actual decoy who lasts less than in game decoy Twistzz- does yekinder’s job Skullzz - hide the pain harold who has no idea on why he is in that team Naf - good clutch player but is always left in an unbeatable scenario But decides to cut cadian.

2024-05-16 19:29

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2024-05-16 20:48

2024-05-17 00:17

and I thought G2 management post jks was a mess

2024-05-17 05:39

Naf is baiter, but he baits so much worse than the most notorious baiters so that leaves him always in an unbeatable scenario

2024-05-17 15:55

BUT YEKINDAR SYAYS LMAO

2024-05-16 19:29

HAHAAH i can't yekindar still be in the team LMAO

2024-05-16 19:29

-CadiaN before -Yekindar and -Skullz? LMAO

2024-05-16 19:30

maybe instead of knocking out cadian it is better powerfull? -KEKinder + KSCERATO(because nothing positive will come out of FURIA anymore) - skullz and add some European to his posse

2024-05-16 19:32

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-Yekindar +KSCERATO would be amazing, since years the best BR Player, skullz shows good support on some rounds and could harmonize well with him. But in my opinion KSC is not for sale no matter what

2024-05-20 19:52

Cadian to G2

2024-05-16 19:32

LULquid things!

2024-05-16 19:32

cadian to c9 as awper

2024-05-16 19:33

this is funny

2024-05-16 19:34

kekindar certified owner of 51% Liquid’s stocks

2024-05-16 19:35

they need to drop a fat stack of cash and get biguzera now

2024-05-16 19:35

Garbage fucking org.

2024-05-16 19:35

Yekindar to IGL again + random awper

2024-05-16 19:35

Cadian didn't look comfortable in Liquid, at least when compared to his time in Heroic. His body language is night and day difference

2024-05-16 19:37

Honestly. if blamef didn't already sign for fnatic, Falcons could have been a pretty good danish team. cadian, magisk, dupreeh, blamef + some youngster because otherwise quite an old team. And if fnatic is smart, they get him!!!

2024-05-16 19:38

4 replies

BlameF is the King Midas of shit. Everything he toiches turns to poo-goo instantly. We suffered this in Astralis for too long. Don't put that on Falcons too

2024-05-16 20:16

3 replies

In that Falcons team, I would have faith in Zonic and Cadian getting the best out of him + almost perfect roles & positions for everybody. they would cook

2024-05-16 20:21

2 replies

gla1ve already did that and how did that turn out ? literally only went good for blameF as he became one of the best players in the world (stats/roles) while astralis had to suffer for that

2024-05-16 20:51

1 reply

well, overall gla1ve failed. and tbh he should have done a lot better since 2021, even if he had a few abysmal rosters imo

2024-05-16 20:55

cadiaN's career is over. Imagine what device could have done with stavn jabbi sjuush and TeSeS. Surely they would have won many more event than a BLAST.

2024-05-16 19:39

5 replies

Nobody would have given them a shot at the top of tier1 in the first place before cadian got them there.

2024-05-16 21:07

4 replies

Oh yeah its not like stavn was in Heroic before cadiaN, its not like jabbi after CPH Flames had plenty offers such as Vitality etc. Thanks cadiaN for his amazing scouting contribution.

2024-05-16 21:26

3 replies

Jabbi might be the only exception, but your opinion still got shat on.

2024-05-16 21:33

2 replies

Two exceptions out of 4 xD "cadiaN got them there (top of tier1)" I must have forgotten the days where cadiaN evolved in tier 1 before playing with these 4. Oh wait, its because he never was.

2024-05-16 21:53

1 reply

Nope, just one. Rest is 0/8

2024-05-16 22:01

Hahaha

2024-05-16 19:39

Benching cadian instead of yekindar and maybe skulz? What a stupid decision fr

2024-05-16 19:40

Liquid s1mple once again. Wild times

2024-05-16 19:42

1 reply

Bro don’t put this idea into my head

2024-05-17 01:49

hes not even the problem get rid of yekindar

2024-05-16 19:43

I bet cadian was proposing benching yekindar or skullz and Liquid turned on him. I get it Liquid CEO is fan of KEKINDAR and no matter what he will keep him on the team. Btw twistzz how is it going with “younger IGL with more potential who is more future proof”???

2024-05-16 19:47

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not that you said it - sounds plausible skullz is fine though, idk why people don't like him, he is young and needs work... yeki however... he needs to change careers and be a pornstar like he wated initially (yes he actually said it btw lol)

2024-05-16 23:27

lol this team is the Los Angeles Clippers

2024-05-16 19:44

-yeki +eu agro rifler or malbs and -skullz +jks or try kscerato again (contract runs out in a month I think) before you even consider kicking cadian

2024-05-16 19:45

Im not surprised, I didn’t see cadian click with Liquid much and he also went down with Heroic at the end, else why did Stabbi rebel against him? Something wasn’t right. Cadian has to solve his issues.

2024-05-16 19:47

Just disband pls, NAF and Twistzz go to Complexity

2024-05-16 19:47

Makes 0 sense. The team was evolving.

2024-05-16 19:49

GET RID OF -SKULLS FIRST.

2024-05-16 19:49

yeki back to igl, lets gooooooooo lulquid

2024-05-16 19:49

Welcome Back S1mple!

2024-05-16 19:50

Surely Yekindar made Liquid sign a massive breach of contract clause lmaoo -yekindar +kcsertaros = better rifler + massive audience as liquid will have 3 bronzilians

2024-05-16 19:50

XD THAT WAS FAST

2024-05-16 19:50

I love that with G2 everyone says -hooxi it’s his fault his riflers aren’t performing but with liquid nooo it’s not the IGL’s fault -riflers first

2024-05-16 19:54

2 replies

ok but yekindar is literally putting up hooxi stats

2024-05-16 19:58

1 reply

I don’t argue that. I just find HLTV users logic humorous :)

2024-05-16 21:43

unironically just disband at this point doesnt matter whats happening outside the server, if your gonna bench cadian over yekindar whos been completely ass since his 3month honeymoon period in liquid passed then theres no point in trying to maintain a roster thats meant to be trophy contenders

2024-05-16 19:54

Expected honestly. Being an igl couldn't justify his 0.93 rating

2024-05-16 19:54

NA management holy

2024-05-16 19:57

If Yekindar some how survives this I am just done with this org

2024-05-16 19:57

XDDD that was fast

2024-05-16 19:58

Either they think Cadian is too expensive or least expensive one to bench. I think they are making decisions based on account books than actual performances, clown org

2024-05-16 19:59

kekindar still in team lol, skullz also...

2024-05-16 20:00

i just can't believe yekindar will survive lmao

2024-05-16 20:00

Yekindar with an insane plot armor

2024-05-16 20:00

TL, you sucks more if you stays with kekindar

2024-05-16 20:01

lol

2024-05-16 20:03

liquid going full NA ?

2024-05-16 20:06

HOW IS YEKINDAR STILL IN THIS TEAM????????? BRO JUST KICK HIM AND GET A REAL PLAYER THIS IS INSANE

2024-05-16 20:06

arT skullz NAF Twistzz junior

2024-05-16 20:07

Before YEKINDAR lol

2024-05-16 20:08

lmao

2024-05-16 20:08

Wasted time could have made something good with nip

2024-05-16 20:09

L Article

2024-05-16 20:09

you have to be retard not doing sth about yekindar first, what a joke org.

2024-05-16 20:09

Huh??? Why sign a high profile igl with such a distinct style just to cut him instead of other players?

2024-05-16 20:10

I'll give you the moves liquid will make it - Cadian - Yekindar + Simple + Bigu Keeps American core AND, bring a better awper than cadian and an IGL that its calling TODAY at the least the same level BTW, I forgot but Bigu also does a very good entry...

2024-05-16 20:11

cadians energy isnt there no more, he was always hyped when he was in heroic, now i dont know about this guy but hopefully he'll step up his game

2024-05-16 20:11

I can't believe kekindar getting away with this

2024-05-16 20:12

Who the hell is managing these orgs? I swear people in charge make more dumb decisions than is physically allowed.

2024-05-16 20:12

1 reply

the players are lol. NA players are always shoving out assertive and controlling players into oncoming traffic without any second thought or remorse. cancerous culture in NA

2024-05-16 21:13

Benching cadian before yekindar is a joke

2024-05-16 20:13

i feel like cadiaN's special personality has a factor in him being kicked ngl, even tho he hasn't shown good IGL'ing at liquid so far. I think he's just a big personality bomb and i feel like it lifts heavy on the team. The next team he joins will eventually kick him aswell because of his personality and shit. Hes like smooya, just not toxic

2024-05-16 20:14

G2 CADIAN please

2024-05-16 20:15

mafia yekindar still staying lmaoo Liquid wat doink

2024-05-16 20:15

-Yekindar +JKS -skullz + perfecto Jks anchor perfecto support Naf lurk twistzz entry cadian awp

2024-05-16 20:16

If it is a chemistry issue then it makes more sense than kicking Yekindar. Guess they expect Yekindar to be reignited with Cadian gone, if its true.

2024-05-16 20:18

2 replies

That could make sense if it wasn't for the fact that yekindar stopped performing at a decent level long before cadian came to Liquid. Hoping that another change would somehow 'ignite' him seems like a fairly dumb move by the org, even if they want to invest that much faith in a single player in the first place.

2024-05-16 20:23

1 reply

I agree. I am just trying to find logic in the move. As many say, it makes no sense to remove Cadian over Yekindar.

2024-05-16 20:53

-cadiaN is a demanding leader -these prima donnas can’t take it Instead of stepping the f*** up they go crying about this just to make Liquid kick the most important part of the team … GJ …. Must be yekindar blaming him due to not being the one on the choppping block, right?

2024-05-16 20:22

#RipBozo

2024-05-16 20:22

fcking sucks, before Yekindar. hope cadiaN can finally find a place where they'll appreciate him

2024-05-16 20:23

metizport -jack +cadian

2024-05-16 20:25

they will hire a br awper, watch them

2024-05-16 20:27

The team starts showing some results after a while —> replace cadiaN. I wonder if idiots will soon realize that if you change players every just few months, then there will never be a good and stable result and at the same time you will pickle good players to the point that they will getting worse individually (YEKINDAR was a star player and look at him know, over-pickled in Liquid). Let them look on Complexity as an example and think about something.

2024-05-16 20:30

Absolute joke. Yekindar was ass way before Cadian joined. He’s been washed for way too long AND is a fucking joke of an IGL. I could do a better job than whoever is making these calls at liquid and for a fraction of the cost! DM me liquid

2024-05-16 20:33

+ BIGUZERA

2024-05-16 20:34

Fnatic.....pick the phone fast

2024-05-16 20:34

They will literally do ANYTHING besides kick yekindar

2024-05-16 20:37

What a bunch of clowns

2024-05-16 20:41

zews is the problem

2024-05-16 20:43

If Liquid kick cadian first out of the team I hope that org will never touch the feeling of success ever again.They get one of the best igls of recent years and they decide to piss him away after a few months,even if they were pretty bad you cant throw an igl away like this

2024-05-16 20:46

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We don't really know what is going on behind the scenes, Cadian could be the best IGL in the world and not be the right fit for the 4 other players I don't think Cadian is the problem, but he might not be the solution uknow Could be the other players don't like playing with him, anywaays i would love to see him replace hooxi and go back on rifle secondary awp

2024-05-16 20:53

3 replies

its a classic situation with NA brains. they don't like an assertive, controlling IGL and/or coach. they want to be hyperindividualistic whiny overgrown children, all of them. amazing to me that twistzz was able to be the exception for at least a little while

2024-05-16 21:12

I don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors but yekindar not getting kicked is a joke. Him being a massive disappointment and liability in the server is an understatement.

2024-05-17 02:30

CadiaN in G2 would be interesting ngl and as rifler ofc. I think G2 would benefit by a person who's very confident in himself, he has that kind of mentally to lift up the others when needed which often G2 seems to lack.

2024-05-20 13:56

liquid has been a shit show for years now.....

2024-05-16 20:46

buahahahahahhaa xD -yeki never xD

2024-05-16 20:46

expected, t2 player

2024-05-16 20:46

2024-05-16 20:49

I don't understand liquid Ideas maybe CADIAN not good but Yekindar play Terrible he should be a porn actor

2024-05-16 20:54

Liquid management level: EG

2024-05-16 20:54

-nexa - hooxi +jks +cadian g2 please

2024-05-16 20:55

This shit aint funny but its isssssss :)))) m.youtube.com/watch?v=SGKwIwbmt88 Speak about longevity to me :)))

2024-05-16 20:58

Are they delusional? Bench brazilian deccoy now

2024-05-16 20:58

and keep yekindar lol? well wtf I guess

2024-05-16 20:59

Its a shit move but if they kick CadiaN then G2 would be great signing him

2024-05-16 21:01

Thats what you get from snakes like twistzz, zews and yekindar

2024-05-16 21:06

Him instead of Yekindar???

2024-05-16 21:09

yekindar owns this team

2024-05-16 21:10

Liquid management got some brain worms

2024-05-16 21:15

Cadian to TSM lul

2024-05-16 21:18

0/8

2024-05-16 21:22

Liquid and roster moves are always next-level weird. They rarely make the sensible changes for the roster. I may not know the behind the scenes, but the context clues from the last few iterations of this lineup tell a pretty convincing story that one of these players has been a problem for a while... and it's not cadiaN.

2024-05-16 21:23

6 replies

Then its clearly Yekindar, only other constant would be NAF and he would be the last person to blame for 'bad team atmosphere'

2024-05-16 21:29

1 reply

Yeah, I mean, that was what I was implying. NAF is way too lowkey to be bad for atmosphere.

2024-05-16 21:43

it's like if the igl leaves someone thinks the world is gonna end...

2024-05-16 21:34

3 replies

I don't know if I'd say that. I mean, I just think that Liquid have had a specific piece on their roster for a while now and it's seemingly done more harm than good for a while now. This mirrors similar decisions from a few years back.

2024-05-16 21:44

2 replies

when you invest in the early-game throwaway perk

2024-05-16 21:45

1 reply

Truly.

2024-05-16 21:45

something tells me this Liquid project goes south quickly if they can't figure how to build the team around cadian.. If Twistzz leaves, team's going to be in the limbo once again

2024-05-16 21:24

S1mple to liquid again? 🥹

2024-05-16 21:26

lmfao what? just do -skullz -yekindar -zews +jks +s1mple +Robban lol

2024-05-16 21:28

1 reply

Didnt Robban quit and is still somewhere in the background at FaZe? s1mple too big gamble for a Team that needs a working roster NOW.

2024-05-16 22:19

lmao no way

2024-05-16 21:42

At least give him a chance to lead without Yekindar and Skullz

2024-05-16 21:44

not saying cadian should do it but tsm should push hard for him

2024-05-16 21:46

Already????

2024-05-16 21:55

this is next level dumb if this is true CADIAN BEFORE YEKINDAR SKULLZ OR ZEWS?? cadian is literally a proven igl, but he gets kicked before mfing skullz or fraud zews i am fumin

2024-05-16 22:00

before skullz and yeki???? liquid trying to be the new nip

2024-05-16 22:06

bruh

2024-05-16 22:15

This smells like NAF not liking how Cadian is calling. Yekindar is the obvious to be changed long before comedian.

2024-05-16 22:19

-yeki -skullz +jks +nicoodoz(rifle)

2024-05-16 22:24

go join heroic again

2024-05-16 22:29

this gotta be because of internal disagreements between cadian and some players. no way liquid is delusional enough to -cadian before -yekindar

2024-05-16 22:39

Cadian's mistake is not crying on LAN on their last match after getting eliminated like when he did with ROGUE. Now he needs to find another way other than crying his way back to EU recruitment

2024-05-16 22:55

Is there even any awp igls available? Or will they get an igl and bench skullz and get a new awper?

2024-05-16 23:00

if you kick a top 3 IGL of the last 3 years before YEKINDAR who hasn't done shit since his IGL stint and continues bottomfragging 90% of their matches... Liquid management what the fuck are you doing

2024-05-16 23:06

-yekindar too please

2024-05-16 23:06

paycheck steal and return home to play with kids

2024-05-16 23:08

but they keep KEKindar... xDD, NA management... it isn't laughable anymore at this point

2024-05-16 23:10

Yekindar meanwhile

2024-05-16 23:28

Seriously, how many lifelines is Yek allowed to be given before getting kicked??? I want to see Cadian lead this team with skullz and yek replaced with other (upgraded) players before he gets kicked. What other IGL would be able to replace Cadian? Honestly, yek has been given way too many chances and is one of the reasons that this project is failing.

2024-05-16 23:31

This lineup is underperforming and was underperforming. I dont think it is cadian's fault. Naf is probably overated. And zews, like wtf. I would kick zews before. Rebuild around twistz, cadian, and naf maybe.

2024-05-16 23:39

7 replies

How is naf overrated? Him and twistzz are the only stable pieces in Liquid. If one of them udnerperforms then Liquid cant do anything.

2024-05-16 23:56

5 replies

Naf has stable stats, but his impact is very often low. More and more, I think Naf is overated, he is not very vocal also.

2024-05-16 23:55

4 replies

Are implying that NAF has the same issue that JKS had in g2? What kind of info do you expect from anchor? He doesnt make plays on ct like yeki or twistzz who collect info. On t side though, he is more like a pack rifler now rather than lurker, so him not being vocal is not the problem here.

2024-05-17 00:04

3 replies

Why is he lurking anymore ? Bring skullz in the pack. The guy has no impact and NAF is a veteran, he should know how to lurk at this point. I'm not saying NAF is the biggest problem, not at all, but if all the previous roster failed, he has maybe more blames than we think.

2024-05-17 00:05

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Bro do you remember those rosters? Roster with stew and fallen was really bad. Fallen was a bad awper and stew has alreaby been washed. They they brought shox and inexperineced awper and roles didnt make sense, if remember it correcctly they made naf to play entry and shox was lurking it was depressing to watch. Then yekindar joined and it was a really good time, had they changed osee they would have become even more dangerous. Disasterclass of Liquid with Patsi, Rainwaker and Yekindar igl is not NAF's fault for sure, again he was the only guy who alwas been stable on that horrible team. You cant just put blame on NAF for all stupid roster decisions that management did. It's like saying that Krimz might be the problem in fantic after so many roster changes when he always plays decent for his roles

2024-05-17 13:15

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+1 I love when people point out NAF, but never bother with their manager jokasteve. Why do people not question him after so many years of failed rosters? People held HenryG accountable back in the day, tons of orgs change their GMs over time, so why not TL? I like your point on Krimz btw, always seen both NAF and Krimz as extremely similar players that no sensible org would let go of because they bring too much.

2024-05-17 15:38

It seems zews and cadian are not that 'combinable' In Liquid's sight, zews should be a more premium person than cadian. But I'm really doubting zews is doing good his job or not. (And some rumor said zews needs at least one BR player in the team, and the result is skullz) totally cant prove btw

2024-05-17 01:10

Liquid's cs manager/CEO saw maui's awp bait tier list and decided to get rid of him lol On a serious note, benching Cadian before Yekindar/skullz is wild.

2024-05-16 23:49

The only trophy Liquid is trying to lift is "we're worse at managing an org than NIP"

2024-05-17 00:05

-skullz -zews +stew +anyone who can coach

2024-05-17 00:08

fools

2024-05-17 00:13

Of all people to drop cadian first is insane.

2024-05-17 00:35

The ideal changes could have been -yekindar and maybe -zews

2024-05-17 00:43

Kicking cadiaN is kind of a bad move because either you go the Cloud9 route of saying "oh yeah we don't need an awper", you have to kick another player (likely skullz but tbh Yekindar is on fraudwatch af rn) or you let one of the existing players igl and let the roster collapse

2024-05-17 00:49

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I would assume they reason they won't touch skullz is because of zews, and I'm having a bit of a reach here, but maybe cadian and zews just don't work well together (also assuming zews and skullz was a double or none package). Time to question their management too

2024-05-17 15:40

ok imagine benching cadiaN, what's next, you need an AWP and an IGL. I see no remaining player as an AWP so you either need another AWP IGL or an AWP whilst someone else starts calling. I also doubt this will be an upgrade compared to cadiaN. So in the end I don't think it'll hit cadiaN alone.

2024-05-17 00:54

I doubt with this discision, but who know what happened behind the screen? Maybe they think cadian's system is not suitable for other fours, change an igl may is better than change yekindar/ skullz 1 by 1

2024-05-17 01:04

just a vibes problem surely and this move will help them in the future

2024-05-17 01:04

Falcons Cadian

2024-05-17 01:15

Liquid, this doesn't make sense. Yeah they failed to qualify for a few things in their infancy, but looking at their results from EPL and Chengdu, this team is on the rise. Why get rid of the extremely difficult to replace IGL/AWP?????

2024-05-17 01:37

cadian and yekindar are wack

2024-05-17 01:59

Just delete the whole team none of these players are capable of top 10. Starting from scratch is better than trying to fit players into this team.

2024-05-17 02:06

“ but sources said that the atmosphere within the team is still not positive” This is pointing at cadian I guess? Otherwise from the outside looking in its -Yekindar

2024-05-17 02:19

Liquid please do -yekindar

2024-05-17 02:22

lulquid = manchester united of cs, good luck with eternal suffering

2024-05-17 02:23

How does Liquid plan to remove Cadian before Yekindar lol. Absolutely wild...... Bring Simple back!!!!!

2024-05-17 02:26

Stewie2K/Walco NAF Twistzz mantuu/regali malbsMd

2024-05-17 02:28

If you watch games regularly you will know that sku and yek are the problem

2024-05-17 02:39

braindead move if they kick cadian instead of yeki

2024-05-17 02:43

Just leaving this: Liquid is permanently doomed as long as YEKINDAR is there.

2024-05-17 02:45

Before YEKINDAR. Before Skullz. LOL. LMAO even.

2024-05-17 02:47

Smartest NA team

2024-05-17 02:51

It’s joever

2024-05-17 03:05

Cadian is top 3 player on this team, that also means he is bottom 3 but there are still 2 players you should kick before him. They don’t want to admit that they paid 600K$ for a dollar store Nertz

2024-05-17 03:07

-cadiaN before -yekindar?????? wtff??????????

2024-05-17 03:13

TL needs an academy team to develop some talent.

2024-05-17 03:18

-CadiaN +S1mple

2024-05-17 04:04

liquid need to fire whoever in their cs division's management has been responsible for the last several years worth of bad decisions. they can shuffle the roster around as much as they want but as long as the same clowns are running the show they're going nowhere.

2024-05-17 05:12

-zews -skullz brazilian cs in the mud

2024-05-17 05:13

Smartest NA org

2024-05-17 06:36

After Pro League, yekindar initiated a push to replace cadiaN, which came unexpectedly to both cadiaN and Liquid's management team. Mediation efforts were attempted, but the situation was brought to an ultimatum where Liquid had to choose between cadiaN and Yekindar. Yekindar agreed that if Liquid let cadian go, he would extend his contract. With clear intentions from Yekindar to extend, Liquid amicably allowed cadiaN to pursue a new path.

2024-05-17 07:15

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yekindar stabbi vibes? lol

2024-05-17 15:09

what about yekindar hello???

2024-05-17 07:46

Yekindar plays like shit and cadian gets boot. Ffs

2024-05-17 08:15

why not kick yekindog?

2024-05-17 08:21

what? is he even the problem?

2024-05-17 08:38

as if its Cadians fault that Yekindar and that brassilian nobody sucks

2024-05-17 09:25

retirement please

2024-05-17 09:46

yekindar has bad decision making and skullz can't aim but apparently cadian is the problem xD

2024-05-17 09:53

S1mple will be picked, they will replace either yekindar or skullz… for a better igl at some point. Thing is benching cadian means they need to replace 2 players not just 1. So it’s a standoff between yekindar and skullz.. who’s going to outperform the other to keep their spot. And hopefully simples integration into The team is smooth and he is accommodating and not too toxic.

2024-05-17 09:58

Before YEKINDAR lol

2024-05-17 10:19

Cadian just needs to get out. Its too late now. Even if they manage to peform well at dallas, the coach/org has already showed doubts in cadian. And know that its public its even worse. Damage is done.

2024-05-17 10:22

Source? Trust me bro? (I didnt read article.))))

2024-05-17 11:03

How on gods green earth can it not be Yekindar that get's the shovel!!?? He is a shadow of himself in his prime...

2024-05-17 12:07

It would actually be better for Cadian to leave this shit organization. Imagine him having to listen to Zews calls, this guy lives in the past and has accomplished NOTHING in recent years. Lets go CADIAN!

2024-05-17 13:19

G2 finna dial up cadiaN's number real quick

2024-05-17 13:47

Kicking cadian is same like kiking aleksib. Trophy will come , need to be patient.

2024-05-17 14:25

So botkindar can IGL again lul

2024-05-17 15:03

??? Come on liquid…

2024-05-17 15:06

HOT TAKE: There is a clash between Zews and Cadian styles. Zews wants Old, predictable Brazilian CS while Cadian wants his system.

2024-05-17 15:38

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+1 o plano n fluxo super huge success

2024-05-18 07:23

It would be better to replace YEKI, not cadiaN

2024-05-17 15:41

byebye kyxsan

2024-05-17 16:01

Check yekindar and skullz top 10 ratings last 3-6 months, disgustingly low - how can they think it's IGL issue when you have incompetence to work with?

2024-05-17 16:58

>Bring a no name BR player onto your roster >That roster starts to fall a part and fail suprisedpikachu.jpg

2024-05-17 18:21

wtf

2024-05-17 19:05

Liquid Steel. Still frags harder than 99% of NA players and 300% smarter than them. No contract buyout. NA player slot for major. Its literally written on the wall and people dont want to read it. If only we didnt spend monesy money on skullz we would have money to fuck around n get malbs too.

2024-05-17 19:42

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Steel is like the worst player in eu FPL lmao

2024-05-18 08:40

he did his job, kek

2024-05-17 20:06

Hello m0nesy.

2024-05-17 21:56

this team is cursed

2024-05-17 22:08

I've said this a hundred times and will say this again... He is literally the most overrated IGL in CS history. M0nesy should join Liquid.

2024-05-17 22:35

- canadian - kekinder + junior + stewie2k

2024-05-18 01:38

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Who's gonna IGL here? Naf? Cause holy shit Stewie cannot IGL. Just look at what happened at EG. His egomania is too much even by Yekindar's standards. Also replacing with washed stewie and (although I like junior) a mediocre AWPer even for NA standards.

2024-05-19 22:56

Welcome goat stewie2k

2024-05-18 06:49

RipcadiaN

2024-05-18 06:59

+tyloo

2024-05-18 07:22

Liquid is a dutch organization

2024-05-18 07:53

Very s1mple fix -kekindar -skullz +S1mple +Jks If zews doesnt work out then give Bubzkji a try at coach probably analytical and calm mind good balance for cadian who is already hothead. That team would compete

2024-05-18 08:25

So Cadian is moving to C9?

2024-05-18 08:28

before yekindar is crazy

2024-05-18 08:29

drop cadian get s1mple

2024-05-18 08:35

Cadian will be picked up almost instantly but liquid will still suck if this happens

2024-05-18 10:10

Lulquid being extremely stupid as per usual. How the hell fruad yekindar still hanging around. He's been trash since the igl stint and hasn't recovered.

2024-05-18 11:39

Wtfffffff

2024-05-18 14:05

-comediaN + JKS, it must be done

2024-05-18 16:47

Liquid in the dumps

2024-05-18 19:26

+shroud

2024-05-18 20:13

kick kekinder

2024-05-18 20:39

Disband and rebuild the team, this roster is corrupted.

2024-05-18 22:58

-cadian +fallen -skullz +shox -yekindar +stewie2k

2024-05-19 02:01

And twistzz left to join CadiaN OmegaLUL

2024-05-19 04:04

hltv users say that Yekindar or Skullz will deffo be kicked first, 0/8

2024-05-19 10:00

-yekindar -skullz -zews +malbs +reck +dephh = easy major qual every cycle.

2024-05-19 14:21

Hahhaha what did i tell you

2024-05-19 16:46

and once again, Liquid proves to have 50 IQ. Imagine kicking Cadian when you have Yekindar and Skullz on the team. Bonkers.

2024-05-19 18:15

Cadian hasn't looked good, but Yekindar and Skullz can't aim. Couldn't hit the ocean from a boat. Neither of them are qualified to stay over Cadian. Liquid management has made a bunch of trash calls lately.

2024-05-19 20:34

braindead

2024-05-20 06:16

Good kick :) Maybe it's because cadian is not a good IGL & AWPer, at least in TL it is

2024-05-20 07:16

Unless CadiaN has acted like a clown behind the scenes or something kicking him before Yekindar and skullz makes no sense as those two have lacked aim and it has been so since they arrived to Liquid so it's not a match here or there so no IGL is going to fix that. It's strange to think how much Yekindar has dropped though, I don't think there's been any other player who went from being considered perhaps the best entry player at some point (a role that especially emphasizes raw aim) to outputting IGL-like numbers.... it's just weird. Maybe the NA org just wanting to be bunch of divas with not so much training, idk...

2024-05-20 14:14

always good to put some pressure on your IGL before an event xDD keep changing every few months, gl with that

2024-05-21 05:21

Bye bye trash noob

2024-05-21 16:51

Yekinbot still getting paid xD

2024-05-22 08:02

What the disgusting weekly and loser mentality. Something did not work out right away and changes are imminent. You'll never achieve anything if you keep changing People. Get yourself not required to commit time. Swapping people left and right is least effort you can do.

2024-05-24 01:23