VOD: 2025 rules, circuit, and concerns explained on HLTV Confirmed

Dive into the impact changes to the 2025 circuit will have on organizers, teams, players, and more in the latest HLTV Confirmed episode.

With Counter-Strike's tournament circuit gearing up for substantial changes in 2025, Complexity's General Manager and former tournament referee Graham "messioso" Pitt joined HLTV Confirmed on Tuesday to discuss the different ways the circuit will be impacted.

Early discussions focused on how organizations and players may not be aligned in their interests regarding what tournament organizers' events to attend, with the latter group benefiting more from larger prize pools than from participation fees.

"ESL and BLAST are incentivizing the organizations, the teams, to come to their events because money will be going directly to the organizations, which is then going to pay the salaries of these players," Chad "⁠SPUNJ⁠" Burchill explained.

"Whereas the prize money isn't guaranteed, and in a lot of these contracts with organizations, the players actually get the majority of the prize money, so the org itself is not benefitting and not getting money to be able to pay these players."

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Financial incentives for these organizations won't come close to the numbers that ESL and BLAST's partner teams had, though, with messioso hinting at the disparity without revealing exact numbers.

"Not even remotely close," the manager said when asked how incentives will compare for current partner organizations if they only participate in ESL and BLAST's circuits in 2025. "Like unbelievable not close. A quarter, maybe? A third if you're lucky? The pie is smaller. I can't say too much, but essentially there is less money on the table, and there are more people eating."

The Brit also touched on how teams are disincentivized from playing in regional competitions and qualifiers due to how significantly a loss to a lower-ranked domestic opponent could impact their VRS standing, explained in the clip below.

The panel also discussed the reduction of closed qualifiers for tournaments and how organizers and top teams alike would fail to benefit, with teams needing to fly to a central location to play for a chance at making it to an event despite having a wealth of events from other organizers.

"Effectively, if you're inviting a certain amount of teams straight into an event and there are closed qualifiers attached, you also have to invite a certain number of those teams from the same ranking to the closed qualifier," Milan "⁠Striker⁠" Švejda said.

"Let's say you invite 12 global teams and you just want to have the rest coming from closed qualifiers, you also have to have a global closed qualifier to comply with the rules. You generally don't want those teams to play closed qualifiers anyway because those are the best teams, they are going to be the ones with shitloads to play, so nobody is going to want to play these closed qualifiers. They will want to be straight in the main event.

"This is something people need to realize about tournament organizers and why they're not hosting qualifiers. It's not even about the schedule and the difficulties of putting the qualifiers anywhere in the calendar. It is the fact that they are literally working against themselves in terms of wanting to have the best teams at the event with the way the [rulebook] currently works, because of how crazy extreme it has to be for you to even allow some qualifier spots to be in the event."

messioso also highlighted the difficulty for teams ranked in the No. 6-10 and 10-16 ranges in planning their schedule with VRS invite cut-offs varying around teams ranked between 8 and 12, making it hard to predict for those in the middle where their next invite will come from. With a multitude of locations and tournaments played back-to-back, the Brit said that "a lot of teams will be figuring things out as they go."

The complete show spanned three hours with the panel going even more into detail about the changes and their impact. You can watch the complete episode through the embed at the top of the page, or watch directly on YouTube by clicking here.

Australia Chad 'SPUNJ' Burchill
Chad 'SPUNJ' Burchill
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Czech Republic Milan 'Striker' Švejda
Milan 'Striker' Švejda
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#1
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Canada Extone
the messiah
2024-10-23 23:32
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great year
2024-10-23 23:33
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#12
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Brazil jaONzyS
I thought you were banned
2024-10-24 18:45
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Jee | 
Poland Nalax
NIP not on the top by january of 2025 also confirmed
2024-10-23 23:33
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#4
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Belgium Robofficial
Just wait they promote their whole academy team and get on TOP of the united21 league
2024-10-23 23:36
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Snajdan | 
Sweden nija
This is getting ridiculous - TOs inviting whoever they want, teams picking tournaments whichever they want, just adapt some system that works already, like ATP in tennis or something, because this one is a mess and it's confusing for everyone. And I haven't even brought up fairness in this discussion.
2024-10-24 03:18
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Jummi | 
Finland wallet8d
idk why valve dosnt make system like lcs in lol
2024-10-24 05:08
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Snajdan | 
Sweden nija
That would be a revolution, I don't think it is possible and I don't want a revolution: maintaining same tournaments with just different rules is not that hard. And tennis rules are simple: you have global rating, you get points from tournaments, top of the rating has guaranteed spot in all tournaments (no invitations) and the rest has to play in qualifications, you lose points earned from a tournament after a year. At the end of the season you have few challengers are making it to the main circuit.
2024-10-24 07:27
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Aka the most retarded system ever created where tier2 is non existing and u have to buy a slot with millions from a team that alteady has it. No thanks
2024-10-24 07:20
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Jummi | 
Finland wallet8d
they don't have to make it expactly like lcs. they can make qualifiers for everyseason etc.
2024-10-24 21:12
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They had this system in dota2, they gave up after 3 years because the games are not as exciting and dont have much narrative when its just 10 teams playing between them. TO tournaments became almost non-existing also. Having multiple cha ces a season to wualify to a tier1 event is better than having one qualifier a season that if u miss u wont have any chance of playing tier 1 and inproving for that season
2024-10-24 21:20
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it would be good but it would also not favour competition, esports is still relatively new and needs growth. That's why you don't go to see a single match, you see a whole day or a while event.
2024-10-25 02:10
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TOs can't invite whoever they want, that's the whole point of the rules
2024-10-24 13:21
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OK, then I misunderstood this, sorry.
2024-10-24 13:40
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Romania nontoxic
That's f'd up if you can just extend invites to foreign (i.e. Brazil, Mongolia, NA, probably Eastern Europe) teams for closed qualifiers using VRS that have no ability to play in those closed qualifiers in time without any financial help or visas Smaller orgs that don't make the major are screwed next year when TOs find more loopholes to make the "open circuit" as closed as possible
2024-10-24 03:51
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