Teams write open letter to Valve about "significant flaws" in new ecosystem

Twenty-two organizations signed a letter calling for changes. "The system as it stands is not a level playing field," they said.

A group of teams has written to Valve urging the developer to fine-tune the tournament system that came into being in 2025, arguing there are "significant flaws" that might push organizations out of the game.

Ninjas in Pyjamas, FURIA, MOUZ and Falcons are among the 22 organizations that signed a letter offering feedback to help Valve "strengthen the foundation" laid at the start of the year, when the CS ecosystem moved away from the partner leagues.

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The letter stated that the only way to enter the Valve Regional Standings (VRS) is through open qualifiers for tier-one events, adding that smaller tournament organizers run invite-only competitions as they lack the resources to oversee open qualifiers.

At the same time, not every tier-one event will feature open qualifier slots, which limits the number of opportunities many teams have to earn VRS points.

"This creates a layered ecosystem: the biggest tournaments offer a small chance at a dream OQ run that catapults teams to relevance, while the tier below runs on invites only," the letter read.

"Below that tier is a dead zone, where teams slowly run out of oxygen while waiting for the next tier 1 open qualifier.

"As a result, any new up-and-coming team can only enter the ranking, paradoxically, through Tier 1 events, and these are few and far between. Unless the ranking system changes, there must be stronger incentives for smaller TOs to run open qualifiers."

The teams also called for tighter regulation of event licenses, pointing out that "multiple tournaments have had their VRS status revoked mid-tournament while others have had it added mid-tournament."

This came after HLTV reported last month that four tournaments had had their ranked status removed after failing to comply with Valve's rules.

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"This uncertainty has major implications for teams and players — due to how precarious the situation is in tier 2, committing to the wrong tournament could result in a long stint in the dead zone," the teams said.

Despite praising Valve for making their ranking model available open source, the teams argued there are cases of players and even tournament organizers struggling to grasp the fine details of the system.

"If players cannot understand the steps needed to climb the ranking, or if a TO does not understand whether their tournament fulfills the license requirements, there needs to be a centralized forum/platform where questions are asked and answered," the teams said.

"We understand that there is a cost to building and maintaining such a platform, and are open to working with a third party to do so. Currently, the scene is coping with the lack of clarity by sharing information in what has become a global game of telephone where, at times, teams are educating TOs on the current interpretation of the rules, mostly operating completely in the dark."

The letter ends with a plea for Valve to bring back open qualifiers for the Majors. Last month, the developer announced new qualifying events for the BLAST Austin Major, the Major Regional Qualifiers (MRQ), featuring 16 teams in the Americas and Europe and eight in Asia. All slots will be filled by the VRS.

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"Valve, you made a bold decision to reshape the Counter-Strike ecosystem, but the system as it stands is not a level playing field. — to get there, you have to finish what you started," the teams said.

"From your perspective this might just be a time period where you’re accepting flaws in the system until it irons itself out. To us, the teams, this time period could kill our Counter-Strike organizations."

Since the publication of the letter, PARIVISION and AMKAL have contacted HLTV stating they agree with the points made in the document.

Read the letter in full:

Signed by:
Ninjas in Pyjamas
Metizport
Endpoint
JANO
ENCE
MOUZ
BIG
HAVU
EYEBALLERS
IMPERIAL
LEGACY
FALCONS
OG Esports
3DMAX
9z
FURIA
M80
Monte Esports
Fnatic
GamerLegion
9INE
Aurora

Dear Valve,

We all share your vision of “A Level Playing Field” — where every team and player has the opportunity to qualify for a Major based on skill alone. We appreciate your efforts to reshape the tournament landscape, but we believe the current system has significant flaws that are undermining this vision. As a collective, we offer this feedback to help strengthen the foundation you’ve built.

Open qualifiers: The Only Way to Enter the Scene is Through Tier 1

As it stands, if you have a core without VRS points, open qualifiers are the only way of getting points.

For tournament organizers (TOs), open qualifiers (OQs) are a major undertaking, simply due to scale. Running 512-1024 team brackets requires a sizable logistical and administrative workload to ensure competitive integrity meaning only the biggest TOs are able to organize these effectively. This creates a layered ecosystem: the biggest tournaments offer a small chance at a dream OQ run that catapults teams to relevance, while the tier below runs on invites only. Below that tier is a dead zone, where teams slowly run out of oxygen while waiting for the next tier 1 open qualifier.

As a result, any new up-and-coming team can only enter the ranking, paradoxically, through Tier1-events, and these are few and far between. Unless the ranking system changes, there must be stronger incentives for smaller TOs to run open qualifiers.

Backpedaling on Decisions

The status of a tournament's VRS license needs to be settled before the tournament starts. We’re only one month into the year and multiple tournaments have had their VRS status revoked mid-tournament while others have had it added mid-tournament. This uncertainty has major implications for teams and players — due to how precarious the situation is in tier 2, committing to the wrong tournament could result in a long stint in the dead zone. From a team's perspective it is crucial that these licenses are not given out on a whim.

Communication and Complexity:

Credit where credit is due — making the codebase open-source has given everyone the opportunity to fully grasp the inner workings of the ranking, allowing us to fully understand the effect of every single match.

However, the esports industry gathers people from all walks of life with a great variety in technical knowledge and work life experiences. Presenting this crucial information on a GitHub repository, written in a very technical way, negatively affects accessibility for smaller teams and players who lack the technical fluency to dissect the model.

If players cannot understand the steps needed to climb the ranking, or if a TO does not understand whether their tournament fulfills the license requirements, there needs to be a centralized forum/platform where questions are asked and answered. We understand that there is a cost to building and maintaining such a platform, and are open to working with a third party to do so. Currently, the scene is coping with the lack of clarity by sharing information in what has become a global game of telephone where, at times, teams are educating TOs on the current interpretation of the rules, mostly operating completely in the dark.

Valve, you made a bold decision to reshape the Counter-Strike ecosystem, but the system as it stands is not a level playing field. — to get there, you have to finish what you started. From your perspective this might just be a time period where you’re accepting flaws in the system until it irons itself out. To us, the teams, this time period could kill our Counter-Strike organizations.

To leave you with a short-term suggestion that would help us: add open qualifiers to the Major again. Allow all teams and players the chance to save their careers and dreams.

#1
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United Kingdom Claysie
needs a review asap
2025-02-10 10:33
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I aint reading allat but A: I’m happy for you B: I’m sorry that it happened
2025-02-10 10:35
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#18
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Finland tailal
C: cry is free
2025-02-10 10:38
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#146
Faceit level 10  | 
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Finland SunMutsi
Hotel: Trivago
2025-02-10 18:30
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VALVE: *ignores* Gigachad emoji 🔥💯
2025-02-10 11:03
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Nah, they’ll take action. In 2029.
2025-02-10 12:40
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Nah, they will launch esports 2025 case
2025-02-10 15:08
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#159
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States Bluefin
That would actually be a great idea! Secure funding for teams outside the top 8-16.
2025-02-11 04:09
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#176
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Brazil Whillpull
when is that in valve time
2025-02-14 14:31
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#70
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Germany Sol1taire
why didn't Spirit, Vitality, G2, NAVI, Faze, Eternal Fire, Mongolz, Liquid sign this letter?
2025-02-10 12:07
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#73
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United Kingdom Claysie
benefits them for now, sad really
2025-02-10 12:10
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they are at the top of vrs, they dont need to
2025-02-10 12:12
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It's beneficial for them of course
2025-02-10 12:19
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The list looks pretty much tier 2/3. It the new system isn’t as detrimental to the tier 1 teams who don’t have to go to qualifiers or as many events that have had VRS statuses given or taken suddenly
2025-02-10 14:05
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#139
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China RADNIKEY
Oh I wonder
2025-02-10 17:44
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#151
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Germany Sol1taire
only 1 detected my sarcasm?
2025-02-10 20:40
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#154
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United States erokmofo
Everyone else farming your genius
2025-02-10 21:51
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#72
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Korea Xoxoxoo
TL/DR : 1) Open qualifiers (OQ) are the only way for teams to get VRS points while qualifying to T1/2 ranked events BUT : OQ are a too difficult to organised for T2 events so they don't bother with it and their isn't enough T1 opportunities so their need to be a change in the system (they are not proposing any solution tho). 2) Do not change the status of an event during the event, as it was the case for multiple in the T2 scene who where acredited a ranked status mid-event or lost in some cases. 3) They acknowledge the fact that publishing the whole VRS system on GIT-Hub is a great thing, it still is way too complicated for teams and TO to fully grasp it's rules. It then create a loophole where teams aren't doing the right thing they'll need to to in order to progress in the VRS ranking and for TO's to follow correctly all of it's rules. They propose a forum/plateform where questions are to be answered. 4) Their final point is that, while waiting for the VRS system to perfection itself, valve should let OQ be runned for Majors, as it would be a way for orgs to survive if they can qualify while waiting for their VRS ranking to progress.
2025-02-10 12:09
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#85
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Asia cakebody
wow chat GPT did not write that Impressive
2025-02-10 12:31
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I think OQ might not be the solution. Having more teams qualifying would be. Like lets say for a T1 event you want the top 24 teams to have a shot at qualifying for the tournament. top 8 is invited. top 9-24 is in a CQ for the remaining 8 spots. Make players keep their VRS instead of cores. for Tier 2 events it could be more qualifiers than for T1 event. But it really depends since a T2 event is most likely not profitable if it runs with like 64 teams. OQ for majors is cool though. The idea that you can just start playing in major qualifiers is cool. Looking at for example hltv.org/events/7904/blast-open-lisbon-2.. They have qualifiers upon qualifiers upon qualifiers. But the main events has 4 spots for qualifiers. like just extend the main event with 8 spots and you already opened up a lot of the eco system. and same thing with hltv.org/events/8346/res-showdown-1-clos.. only 4 spots for open qualifiers. just make a rule to say that at least half the team of top lever tournaments must come from qualifiers for T1 at least.
2025-02-10 13:01
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#102
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United Kingdom Junly_
blast has a bunch of partner teams so they won't do that ig
2025-02-10 13:42
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How do you determine individual player's value in team's overall VRS score? VRS score carried by core is imperfect indeed as, two star players can leave three other underperformers but, I'm not sure if what you propose is better.
2025-02-10 14:39
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Issue is that changes will always result in a recalculation of a teams performance. Its hard to see what will be most effective. Since if you lose like 1/5 of your points based on changes that is bad but it also makes it easier for the team getting that player to be on the same level. So there are less changes with unproven talent. issue with VRS score carried by core is more that you need a core to keep VRS points and keeping VRS points is the most important thing now. Look at teams like NIP they have no VRS score at all. But the players they have deserve at least some VRS points. You can maybe do a combination of that so players have like 1/10 of the VRS of the roster. So swapping a player is less loss of VRS
2025-02-10 14:54
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Also, quals on top of quals on top of quals... are not counted towards VRS score despite sometimes being pretty high level.
2025-02-10 14:44
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wait what. you mean because of prize money? they are mostly counted worse than others I guess.
2025-02-10 14:49
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bro made a tl dr as long as the letter
2025-02-10 13:32
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the article is already a summary of the full letter, bruh
2025-02-10 16:16
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GL
2025-02-10 10:33
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Too bad valve will take like an year to fix this
2025-02-10 10:34
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#127
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United States MrNorwood
To fully fix it to everyone's satisfaction? Maybe never, but I could see Valve making smaller tweaks to improve things over the short term. For example a few small changes I would like to see, that could drastically improve things: 1.) Lower the number of wins/matches required to get an initial ranking. 2.) Slightly decrease the impact of prize pools on the ranking. 3.) Use a rolling invite date instead of the first ranking of the previous month.
2025-02-10 16:13
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None of these teams are going to achieve anything unfortunately :(
2025-02-10 10:35
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#11
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Turkey orionski
That's not the point is it?
2025-02-10 10:36
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No, I think I’m just a shitty person :(
2025-02-10 10:37
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#19
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Turkey orionski
all good man, dont worry. i didnt think your comment was malicious.
2025-02-10 10:38
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Four majors amongst them tho
2025-02-10 10:55
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that's exactly the reasoning behind their stance tho.. current t1 teams do not have to worry because the format helps them to stay at the top even if they mess up a bit sometimes
2025-02-10 20:54
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#6
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Turkey orionski
I didn't read yet but they are right.
2025-02-10 10:35
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this basically tells you which team is t1 and which is not but those signed are right tho
2025-02-10 10:36
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They don't care, Valve never cares.
2025-02-10 10:36
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#71
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Germany Sol1taire
that\s what makes their fans chase them. Law of Attraction. The less Valve gives a shit, the more attention and begging and attention they get from the community.
2025-02-10 12:08
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they cared enough to ban partner teams thing though
2025-02-10 14:38
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#129
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United States MrNorwood
I think Valve "cares", but not always in a way that the community likes. I do think that Valve will make some changes (they spent a fair bit of time tweaking the ranking before it was used for invites after all), but I also doubt that it will be to everyone's liking.
2025-02-10 16:17
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Let me fix your first sentence for you: I think Valve "cares", but always not in a way that the community likes.
2025-02-10 18:08
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#145
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United States MrNorwood
Nah, that's not really true. Of course "the community" is not a single person, and something that is popular with a lot of people won't ever be 100% universally liked.
2025-02-10 18:18
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good initiative
2025-02-10 10:36
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hopefully this will change something
2025-02-10 10:36
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Missing signatures : ESC Gaming I mean they got their core broken by Rebels, Sangal and Wildcard so now they need to climb from the lowest point
2025-02-10 10:36
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#14
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United Kingdom ChuMatrix
Nt
2025-02-10 10:37
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#15
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
ropz | 
Finland wormi
volvo pls fix
2025-02-10 10:37
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based teams
2025-02-10 10:38
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The fact that Falcons is there though ...
2025-02-10 10:39
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in a way it makes sense because the only way they could get invited was by buying a core that was high ranked, while if there was a clearer path to t1 they could build their own roster from scratch
2025-02-10 14:08
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Well spoken bro
2025-02-10 17:21
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With the end of partnerships, the community was hopeful and thought the scene would be more open but what happened is the contrary.
2025-02-10 10:39
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#22
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Nepal ekadeshma
Valve please fix
2025-02-10 10:40
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NIP >cannot qualify for CCT >writes a letter to Valve
2025-02-10 10:40
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#77
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Germany HSV_isses
Ofcourse rent free NIP stood out for you
2025-02-10 12:21
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#24
Faceit level 10  | 
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Norway Lopzz
It’s a fair point for these teams to have these concerns, it’s so fucking retarded Valve don’t communicate with any of us, they need pull their wallet out and hire someone souly for social media who will answer these types of questions and get things like this on a fast track path. I hate that things are always in the dark with valve and no one knows whether they’ll respond. It’s not cool, it’s not mysterious Valve, it’s just being an ignorant prick.
2025-02-10 10:40
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#54
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Europe kuu1
It's their game, they can do whatever they want.
2025-02-10 11:25
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great take kuu1
2025-02-10 11:50
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yes but they are killing the pro scene, if nothing chanhes we'll endup having 16 orgs total in cs
2025-02-10 14:09
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#26
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Portugal LOIS69
+1
2025-02-10 10:42
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Imperial signing off on this while taking advantage of VRS being broken
2025-02-10 10:45
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How did they take advantage, just genuinely curious
2025-02-10 12:05
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#155
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States itzgin
Imperial FE...hello? they're only at their rank because of farming female only tournaments, which males cannot enter.
2025-02-10 22:14
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sry completely blanked and forgot about the fe team, I was thinking about the male team which really got affected about the change
2025-02-10 22:35
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#84
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United States flipfone
conveniently there is nothing in the letter about abusing forfeits or fe tournaments
2025-02-10 12:29
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they are not the only team abusing that tho
2025-02-10 14:10
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#131
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United States MrNorwood
I mean their female team may have "benefitted" from the VRS change, but their men's team is in a similar boat with all of the other teams listed.
2025-02-10 16:20
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Tier 2/3 tournaments should have like 50% of team through open qualifers and every tier 1 tournament should have atleast 4 slots from OQ
2025-02-10 10:45
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goood
2025-02-10 10:46
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Imagine being Niko, getting 100k per month while waiting to farm VRS point in an open qualifier to be relevant again. World is truly absurd sometimes.
2025-02-10 10:46
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#57
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Europe kuu1
And the top teams, Spirit and NA'Vi, don't even care about that event and rejected their invites.
2025-02-10 11:28
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basically the first ranked teams will always be favored and lower teams can just cry fighting themselves with the actual ecossystem. Ok, we know the champions will always be around Vitality, Spirit, Na'Vi or even G2/FaZe, but you know at least one tier 2 or 3 team can surprise once in a tier S event
2025-02-10 10:47
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#33
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Burundi DeTauer
The problem of the open qualifiers is the amount of cheaters that can ruin profesional team's run, as it happened in the IEM Dallas OQ with HESTA
2025-02-10 10:49
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so in the end this all backtracks to Valve not being able to produce a competent Anticheat. Honestly Valve is probably the worst developer in terms of community service, they are just randomly doing something without consulting with anybody and usually screw things up. I am glad I am not playing this game or having to deal with them, must be so frustrating Is there even a specific person responsible for this kind of stuff in Valve? I have probably never seen anything done by them signed or presented by a specific guy :D
2025-02-10 10:53
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The problem of the open qualifiers is that it's 20 bo1s in a row, and if you lose just once you're out, so it comes down heavily to luck. You put any of the top teams through that and chances are they won't make it too.
2025-02-10 11:26
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that's just not true. Dallas OQ was 8 games to qualify for closed quali (even 7 as many pro teams had a bye first round) and for pros they start with 5 free wins against open 10 teams. sometimes 8th round is bo3 too.
2025-02-10 13:35
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personally this means more actual t1 teams in bigger tournaments, which is a plus, but it's just not fair at all, I hate valve so much, they just can't do shit without ruining something.
2025-02-10 10:50
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#35
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Romania Tspeck
Yeah, too bad you cant buy spots anymore. Sucks to suck
2025-02-10 10:51
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#37
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Korea Xoxoxoo
TL/DR : 1) Open qualifiers (OQ) are the only way for teams to get VRS points while qualifying to T1/2 ranked events BUT : OQ are a too difficult to organised for T2 events so they don't bother with it and their isn't enough T1 opportunities so their need to be a change in the system (they are not proposing any solution tho). 2) Do not change the status of an event during the event, as it was the case for multiple in the T2 scene who where acredited a ranked status mid-event or lost in some cases. 3) They acknowledge the fact that publishing the whole VRS system on GIT-Hub is a great thing, it still is way too complicated for teams and TO to fully grasp it's rules. It then create a loophole where teams aren't doing the right thing they'll need to to in order to progress in the VRS ranking and for TO's to follow correctly all of it's rules. They propose a forum/plateform where questions are to be answered. 4) Their final point is that, while waiting for the VRS system to perfection itself, valve should let OQ be runned for Majors, as it would be a way for orgs to survive if they can qualify while waiting for their VRS ranking to progress.
2025-02-10 10:53
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#53
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Spain neisee
also if they qualify through opens, which is extremely difficult, they have to play 10 games on ranked events to get the ranked status for the team. So, practically they have to qualify through more than one open qualifier to get this status.
2025-02-10 11:25
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#40
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
w1cked | 
United Kingdom w1cked
Hopefully Valve care more about this than the anti cheat.
2025-02-10 10:56
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so the game itself doesnt bother the teams, right? 💀
2025-02-10 10:57
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Partner invites had to end. Simple as that. But Valve brought a system almost as bad, basically with the same problem where some teams were forced to irrelevancy. It was money in the past, now not having the initial valve ranking.
2025-02-10 10:59
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#43
Faceit level 9  | 
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France SSENSEY
All top team have signed i saw
2025-02-10 11:00
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#44
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Ukraine dench1k
Nice try ESL, you guys don't like you can't sell slots now
2025-02-10 11:02
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#104
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Russia mddn
good point
2025-02-10 13:52
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Why don't smaller tournament orgs take money from prize pool and invest them into organizing open qualifiers? VRS points should be the main prize at t2/t3 events. Boom, problem solved
2025-02-10 11:04
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ranking is heavily based on prize money, if they take away that no t2 team will ever get invited to a t1 tournament
2025-02-10 14:13
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VRS points are also tied to the prize pool though
2025-02-10 17:40
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Am I the only one who sees Falcons on the list and think that they are just salty because they have to play some qualifiers after spending millions to buy ranking points?
2025-02-10 11:04
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Sure, but they're not wrong. It also blocks top20 teams from any major roster changes. They change more than 2 players? You won't see this team playing anytime soon.
2025-02-10 11:29
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2025-02-10 14:14
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If I organise a tournament and I invite 10 of my best mates, and 10 people I don't know they qualify for the tournament. How can I guarantee there are no biases?? 😀😀😀
2025-02-10 11:11
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Valve is too dumb, they don't care.
2025-02-10 11:11
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JANO signing this is shameless
2025-02-10 11:12
0
When will they write an open letter about cheaters ruining the game and telling valve to actually hire more people to their anti-cheat team?
2025-02-10 11:23
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#60
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Europe kuu1
That would be too expensive.
2025-02-10 11:30
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1 reply
Yeah, they probably make money on people buying new accounts
2025-02-10 14:51
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no T1 team. ok.
2025-02-10 11:26
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That's because status quo benefits them, not because it's a right think to do.
2025-02-12 01:11
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yes and no. valve does things slow and steady
2025-02-12 08:03
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#59
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Russia KamaraD
Dude all u will get by this letter is all slots on event will be Open Qualifiers, because all other systems will be flawed and unfair.
2025-02-10 11:29
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#61
F1KU | 
France d0py
MAYBE WRITE A LETTER ABOUT IN GAME ECONOMY CHANGE HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2025-02-10 11:31
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The current system will kill the scene in the long run.
2025-02-10 11:32
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Yup, dead lower tiers like Valo incoming
2025-02-12 01:12
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not gonna read all that but the VRS rankings as they are currently is just wack. as ive said many times, whoever designed VRS needs to uninstall immediately. not having the common sense to see obvious issues is really troubling. i played dota for a bit, their entire mmr system design is completely brainless, it only festers toxicity and they remain oblivious to that fact. anyone involved in ranking design of any form needs to be fired immediately.
2025-02-10 11:33
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#64
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Canada minibeech
Like, if your not one of the highest ranked teams, youll have to go through qualifiers. If you deserve to be there just win. If you cant make it through qualifiers because these so called tier2 teams beat you, then you dont deserve to be there.
2025-02-10 11:37
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What I think they should do is: - double the amount of teams for all the MRQs, or perhaps keep the size of the MRQ but have half of them come from a closed qual with double the amount of teams (Say 16 teams invited for MRQ EU means 32 for the closed qual) and this means if you dont have the rankings for an invite its cause you are dogshit, no need for opens quals and grifter orgs that dont stick around the ecosystem - Make T2 wildcard invites much easier to give out and in larger numbers. This way a notable team doesnt have to start from zero if they dont have a core - Hire someone to be fulltime esports consultant, explaining rules to TOs and Teams and helping sort out issues before they arise - Heavily incentivize TOs to run more qualifiers (even just closed) I feel this should make the system more open but while still incentivizing good play across a season instead of just lucking out in an open qualifier
2025-02-10 11:39
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#66
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Moldova Kunfukoala
Cry
2025-02-10 11:40
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I agree but I'm still going to laugh at the fact that NIP are the first to sign
2025-02-10 12:05
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Make open qualis mandatory for all VRS events. If smaller tournament operators lack funds to organize proper open qualifiers then they should decrease their prize pool and use that money. VRS points are what the teams are after anyway on t2/t3 events
2025-02-10 12:21
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Whoever put VRS never look deep into T2 team/org and just watch partnership league.
2025-02-10 12:22
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#80
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Other zoeymargera87
signed by tier 2-3 teams. ok gl
2025-02-10 12:23
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#81
Faceit level 10  | 
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Germany BCKMNN
So, VALVE killed the Louvre Agreement because under performing teams have been blocking S-Tier slots to others.. among the letter signs are exactly those teams complaining because its "not fair" to them now. NIP, Ence, Mouz, BIG, Furia and Fnatic didn't bat an eye back then, did they? I still do agree that we need an even playing field for any team - but man this is ironic.
2025-02-10 12:23
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#100
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Finland Karppanator
Saying that ENCE gamed the system is hilarious. They got poached out of their most consistent roster at T1. That roster got to 6 finals and won 1. They had to make changes on a single day of work or be dq'ed out of major contention while everyone was already having a weekend off. Mouz has been a perennial candidate for winning tournaments. They did win some, got to finals and semis a lot. They are still a lock for most T1 tournaments this year, but they signed this statement anyways. NiP are currently the perfect example of what's wrong with the system. A new core has to get ranked in 10 VRS games, but you cant know ahead of time if tournaments fit or not with Valve regulations. Also, lots of qualifiers dont offer any money, and they are held online. These 2 factors, money and lans, are the most important in VRS. You are always playing against major level opposition in these qualis, youre asked to be the Astralis of T2 (win everything in T2 AND vs some T1 teams to get in). That isn't what the current T1 teams are asked to do, as they earn more VRS by losing in T1 LANs. youtu.be/VPOjrkuiWIQ?si=HwjaxBfiI0foSALg
2025-02-10 13:36
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imho Dota 2 has so much better system. There are OQ and CQ most of the time.
2025-02-10 14:27
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they also have like just one tier 1 lan tournament every month. just unthinkable for cs fans that shit on online tournaments
2025-02-10 17:52
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#135
Faceit level 10  | 
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Germany BCKMNN
I don't think you got my point. But fair discussion, I do agree with your points. The system is not optimal in any way, but yet again I never said so. My point is about the former "Louvre Agreement" which quiet a few of those teams named have been part of. Valve didn't like contracts between ORGs and TOs for good reason - but i guess complaining starts only when you are affected or may be affected in the future. :-)
2025-02-10 17:17
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#82
Faceit plus user Faceit level 4  | 
karrigan | 
Germany Pummel
Taking away Open Qualifiers from Majors is a massive downgrade, imo – and as a viewer, I always found them thrilling to follow.
2025-02-10 12:25
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#83
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Brazil 4vengerr
all I read is: cry is free too much crying wtf
2025-02-10 12:27
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Why couldn't Valve leave CS alone? Better to do nothing than to do this. And where CS really needs help by Valve it is alone Cheating etc
2025-02-10 13:02
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We don't need Valve to fight cheaters neither - we have Faceit, GameGuard and Akros - Valve literally is responsible for the game and they still fail.
2025-02-12 01:15
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monte, havu, jano, aurora and eyeballers AAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA
2025-02-10 13:13
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#93
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
unlucko. sucks to suck. player salaries need to change and be chopped in half, one and two times at least. Why not fix that issue first collectively before it all crashes and burns
2025-02-10 13:14
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0 IQ take
2025-02-12 01:15
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that is not how money laundry works for orgs
2025-02-12 13:28
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#94
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Ireland KarLybop
If Imperial Fe are competing in Tier 1 events ahead of ANY team in the top 50, then there is a fundamental flaw in the system. The absolute state of them getting a short notice spot for PGL Cluj is embarrassing and just downright unfair. They just recently competed in the Katowice Play-in too, I mean, what is going on? You see the team list for these events and it consists of the majority of top 25 teams and then there's this massively insane gap to rank 91st for Imperial Fe for the play-in. Embarrassing and counter productive.
2025-02-10 13:14
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For years, teams like Astralis—who kept getting Tier 1 invites despite playing poorly, who got into every BLAST event despite breaking the rules—turned a blind eye to the struggles of Tier 2 teams. They ignored teams that fought for years to break into Tier 1, no matter how well they played, no matter how hard they worked. Dozens of teams, despite showing real talent and dedication, never received an invitation and were eventually forced to sell their players or disband entirely. And no one cried about it. Now, just two months into a new system, you’re suddenly writing open letters about how unfair everything is. You never spoke up when the old system was keeping better teams out. But now that the rules aren’t serving you, it’s a problem? Yes, the new system has flaws—but you’re not special. No team is owed an easy way in. Eternal Fire and The MongolZ had to grind through Tier 3 and 4 events for years without a single handout. Eternal Fire, since its founding, only managed to qualify for a single BLAST event in 2025. That’s four years of fighting for a spot in an ecosystem that never invited them. They didn’t complain. They just played
2025-02-10 13:15
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People did complain, that's why we have the VRS now in the first place. Teams like Astralis and EG were fucking lambasted constantly for getting free invites despite being awful.
2025-02-10 16:23
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>And no one cried about it. I cried.
2025-02-12 01:16
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#172
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Poland Kobel_
The entire point of VRS was to open up a scene getting closed off by franchising If it has the opposite effect on the main purpose it was created for, it means there's something incredibly wrong with it.
2025-02-13 12:57
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So sad that some t1 orgs didnt sign since they were literally trash before their cs team success from the bottom Ef spirit mongolz specially :)
2025-02-10 13:23
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#97
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Other FGsouL
Valve is behaving game and tournament format as same as game fixing and anti cheat where its sad to see but they must fix theese T2 and T3 event issues in short time.The most vital system is T2 and T3 tournaments for CS ecology more than T1 tournaments.
2025-02-10 13:23
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#103
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
LeX | 
Russia mddn
with VRS, CCT tournaments become more enjoyable, more good teams playing CCT because of points
2025-02-10 13:52
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#105
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
regali | 
Europe qqqqfire
cs2 t2 teams *handshake* starbucks workers ---> crying when the only thing they have to do is literally their job
2025-02-10 13:56
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Yes ENCE, NIP, Falcons, Furia, MOUZ and Fnatic are known to be tier 2 orgs if you look at what they have accomplished while they have been part of CS scene.
2025-02-10 14:37
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#133
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
regali | 
Europe qqqqfire
Ah yes Ence - 32nd NIP - 97th fnatic - 31st You are right, i should've said tier S not tire 2 mb Stop coping
2025-02-10 16:47
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did I say anything about their current situation? no. It's stupid that some of the orgs might leave CS scene and they might not get sponsorships etc. gj Valve. big orgs leaving with a lot of history in CS = bad for CS scene itself.
2025-02-10 16:52
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Instead of making stupid remarks about their current rank just point out where they are wrong. PS. it's funny how you decided to omit rank of MOUZ, Furia or Falcons - didn't fit your moronic narrative?
2025-02-12 01:19
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One thing I don't understand why Valve didn't look at what's Dota 2 circuit is doing right and what they are doing badly/wrong. Just wondering. Both are owned by Valve, so why not just take stuff that works from Dota 2 that worked and adopt it to CS.
2025-02-10 14:31
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Valve, plz fix
2025-02-10 14:38
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#120
Faceit level 7  | 
NiKo | 
Turkey SERTUSTAUPTOWN
valve response: a gif from an office episode
2025-02-10 14:45
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get better instead of crying
2025-02-10 15:16
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#126
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World sekoidd
Valve is full of idiots they cant even make a FPS games
2025-02-10 15:47
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Can't making an omelet without breaking a few eggs but in this case, the eggs are peoples careers and livelihoods Nice going valve
2025-02-10 16:19
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#137
Faceit level 4  | 
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Israel mcnamaras_EEEdiots
we will eat the bugs
2025-02-10 17:33
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#141
Faceit level 8  | 
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United States sziasztok
How Valve ever thought this would work is absolutely beyond me. Id rather it just he dissolved vs trying to fix it
2025-02-10 18:05
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#143
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Argentina hikjdb
Free CS
2025-02-10 18:09
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nice that mouz has the backbone to support such a thing despite being on top unlike faze, vitality and other plastic orgs.
2025-02-10 18:44
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#148
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Sweden Vrede
Mouz? alright
2025-02-10 18:46
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KSCERATO to Vitality asap
2025-02-10 19:02
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#150
Faceit level 1  | 
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Argentina Wackgamer
The teams that signed are 100% correct. Every time there is a tournament, Tier-S teams are always favored by the TOs simply because they are at the top, while entry opportunities for other teams are restricted, making it much harder for those trying to rise and have a chance to become the best. What VALVE did is completely unfair, everyone should have the same path to enter a tournament, regardless of rank. If a team is good enough in the qualifiers, they should be in, if not, better luck next time. But the current system is not fair, this needs to be urgently fixed.
2025-02-10 19:37
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valve dont give a damn f
2025-02-10 20:45
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I would be surprised if valve did anything before Austin major
2025-02-11 02:00
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#158
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Europe richwilde
git gud
2025-02-11 02:10
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#160
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Cuba Dyabolic
You know what bothers me about this? That none of the upper teams got on board. Yes, I realize that they are all benefiting from it but at some point even if you’re benefiting you need to be realistic and realize that this isn’t a good system and needs to be changed. Because on any given day, you could also be in the position that some of these smaller teams find themselves in.
2025-02-11 13:51
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the big teams think they buy their team if needed
2025-02-12 13:29
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#174
Faceit level 9  | 
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Poland Kobel_
Respect to Mouz and Falcons for being the only top 10 (VRS) teams to speak up I think lack of any input from EF and The MongolZ baffles me the most because yes, currently they have great line-ups - but they can't compete with some of the big EU orgs on resources, so once they fall out due to bad season, roster change, or anything else, they're as royally f*cked as anyone else but with a harder way back in. And they know the struggle of breaking into tier 1 especially well.
2025-02-13 13:09
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#175
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Cuba Dyabolic
Those 2 (Mongolz and EF) are a good callout. And yea, I agree. It goes exactly with that I was trying to say.
2025-02-13 13:39
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Cool
2025-02-12 00:33
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#168
Faceit level 6 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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United States NupeKeem
Who got the TLDR because I aint reading all of that.
2025-02-12 02:20
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#173
Faceit level 9  | 
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Poland Kobel_
Instead of opening up the scene VRS in its current form gatekeeps tier 1 even harder than franchise system did due to limited open qual spots, unclear rules in scoring and accreditation and thus lack of way to realistically gather points in tier 2.
2025-02-13 13:02
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