FaZe forfeit ESL Pro League match against G2

A behind-the-scenes dispute over what lineup FaZe is allowed to field has led to the team forfeiting the first match in Stockholm.

ESL's rulebook prohibits FaZe from playing with Twistzz instead of rain

FaZe have decided to forfeit their first ESL Pro League Stage 2 match against G2 just hours before it was scheduled to begin, according to ESL.

Neither the tournament organizer nor the team explained the reasoning, but HLTV knows that it came in the aftermath of a dispute between the two sides over what lineup FaZe is allowed to use at the event.

Following the decision to replace Håvard "⁠rain⁠" Nygaard with Russel "⁠Twistzz⁠" Van Dulken, the lineup FaZe arrived with at ESL Pro League only includes two out of the five players that featured on the July 7 Valve Regional Standings, the ranking used for invites to the event.

July 7 VRS
Denmark karrigan
Slovakia frozen
Ukraine s1mple
United States EliGE
Norway rain
Current roster
Denmark karrigan
Slovakia frozen
Latvia broky
Poland jcobbb
Canada Twistzz

ESL's General Rules and Roster Restrictions rulebooks require teams to retain at least three out of five players (or "a majority") from the invitation ranking:

ESL Pro Tour CS General Rules, Rule 2.28

Teams invited based on the Valve Regional Standings must retain at least three out of the five core players listed in the VRS on the Invite Date.

ESL Pro Tour CS Roster Restrictions, Rule 2.4

Once a participant plays for the first time in a qualifier, their lineup has to contain a majority of that first lineup until the end of the main event, throughout all qualifiers and stages of the event. This also implies that an organisation that tried and failed to qualify with one team is not allowed to sign a new team to still take part in the event.

The above lineup restriction also applies for participants that were invited to the event or a later stage of the qualifiers, in that case the default lineup of the participant at the time of the invitation or a specific lineup named in context with the invitation is relevant. Invited participants are considered the same as if they had played throughout the entire qualifier process up until the stage that they have been invited to.

The starting roster FaZe submitted for the tournament includes rain and it would have satisfied the majority rule, but the rule would be broken once he was replaced as planned with Twistzz, who is listed as a substitute.

Questions remain why the situation wasn't resolved earlier when FaZe's intent to use Twistzz was made clear.

HLTV has reached out to FaZe and ESL for a comment.

Norway Håvard 'rain' Nygaard
Håvard 'rain' Nygaard
Age:
31
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
2162
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.69
Canada Russel 'Twistzz' Van Dulken
Russel 'Twistzz' Van Dulken
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1929
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.62
welcome back rain!
2025-10-04 14:52
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Japan asyl1m
he will just have to be present on site if i understand correct.
2025-10-04 14:54
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Karrigan should try out coaching, let rain go beast mode
2025-10-04 14:59
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that defeats the whole point of having 3/5
2025-10-04 15:11
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#127
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Sweden Gibbso
How does that make sense? If he's present they shouldn't be allowed to sub him?
2025-10-04 15:16
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#148
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Finland Karppanator
Makes 0 sense for me as well :D
2025-10-04 15:22
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you forget that rain could be unfit to play ;^)
2025-10-04 16:28
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This is false Rain will need to play. They would only be allowed to sub him with sub players submitted by the deadline and even then I believe they are still required to maintain the core in the server unless otherwise permitted via an emergency exception.
2025-10-04 15:31
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#3
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hally | 
Russia Juse
Owned
2025-10-04 14:52
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#4
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United States zephh1337
Lol
2025-10-04 14:52
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#5
Jame | 
Germany Alloyy
lmao
2025-10-04 14:52
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Disband soon PLEASE
2025-10-04 14:52
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#7
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Europe volkulaka77
ESL be like
2025-10-04 14:52
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#8
Faceit level 10  | 
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Georgia sexasuke
no vegan options gg
2025-10-04 14:52
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they need messioso
2025-10-04 14:52
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Ez 26-0 for my goats g2
2025-10-04 14:52
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xdd
2025-10-04 14:52
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#12
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Bulgaria sopy
faze try not to downfall challenge impossible
2025-10-04 14:52
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Instant carma
2025-10-04 14:53
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faze seriously trying to overtake EG for most incompetent management
2025-10-04 14:53
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you mean Wildcard
2025-10-04 15:02
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You don't know ball about what EG's management was. That one was on a whole different level.
2025-10-04 15:19
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enlighten me then
2025-10-04 15:20
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There are videos on youtube about it and I ain't nerding it out. TL;DW : EG's management was something else.
2025-10-04 15:21
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there is many many many many horrible decisions but I feel like I can sum it up by saying they had 20 players signed at the same time. (not a joke btw) Evil Geniuses (main team, even though they werent the best EG team) EG Black (the best team) EG White (washed players who would never make EG main) EG Gold (Womens team which didnt win anything or do well) They also I think had some bench players so more like 21-23 players signed. before all that they had a team that literally could have won a major (ex-nrg which was better than astralis at berlin but choked) once tarik retired they just fucked every single roster move forever. Best part of all of this? They won the valorant major equivalent and then benched their best player and fucked up their entire valorant roster too.
2025-10-04 15:26
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#244
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Greece Panesito
You forgot the Danny incident in League of Legends. How they made one of NA's biggest prodigies quit the game professionally and sent him into psychologists.
2025-10-04 17:21
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Probably the worst Org-player incident in history of esports
2025-10-05 00:13
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#272
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New Zealand Skye620
Oh yeah EG was still MILES worse than current faze management wise
2025-10-04 23:10
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I will add to the EG lore with the Valo side of things. Team won Worlds. Then they all got offered new contracts worth half or sometimes less then what they were currently getting paid. Everyone but 1 player left after that. League player Danny left the org mid spilt because of lack of support from management (easy way to write it) and the who CS arm of it was lets sign all of NA and see what we can do. They had a team in each tier of CS and still did nothing with it. They were so bad they were being reviewed over the partner slot at pro league with how bad they were.
2025-10-05 00:49
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Nah, the rules are just stupid. Cmon 7th july ? thats freaking 3 months ago, everything can change in that amount of time, its not like there are transfer windows like in big sports and here you can change who and when you want. + look at world athletics 4x400m relay for example in 1/2 final for usa there are one roster and in final complete other and its fine.
2025-10-04 17:09
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they were afraid of heavygyatt
2025-10-04 14:53
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#16
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Romania PRQN
LOL
2025-10-04 14:53
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who is playing against g2 then? eyeballers come now and fuck them
2025-10-04 14:53
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No one. It'll be judged as a 2:0 victory for G2 against FaZe.
2025-10-04 15:04
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i know i was kidding would be sick tho
2025-10-04 15:11
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BC.G vs G2
2025-10-04 15:20
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Tragedy
2025-10-04 14:53
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#19
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Yugoslavia batucipher
i mean the same management somehow earn 0 kromer from ropz and twistzz buyouts nothing to shock
2025-10-04 14:53
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#20
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United States btm2243
Lmao
2025-10-04 14:53
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#21
JW | 
United States JW_belly
elige did this
2025-10-04 14:53
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Expected from people as organized as FaZe and ESL
2025-10-04 14:53
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#23
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Belgium Gaetje
Why just now??
2025-10-04 14:53
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#24
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s1mple | 
Brazil S1lent360
s1s1 back>_??
2025-10-04 14:53
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#25
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Finland Emvi
rain last dance inc
2025-10-04 14:53
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#27
Faceit level 10  | 
jks | 
Poland maybeidk
gg xd
2025-10-04 14:53
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what a joke
2025-10-04 14:53
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blunder/what's he done that for
2025-10-04 14:53
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wot a blunda
2025-10-04 15:06
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LOL
2025-10-04 14:53
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Faze moment
2025-10-04 14:54
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LOLLLLLLLLLL
2025-10-04 14:54
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WTF LOL
2025-10-04 14:54
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watafak
2025-10-04 14:54
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Broky's 'PUNISHMENT" by carriedbot fked them over. if they just kept broky to play Austin or kept s1mple after they will be fine.
2025-10-04 14:54
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if theyd done anything at all with a brain more like lmao
2025-10-04 14:55
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thats the basic of it yes but this is the root of the cause
2025-10-04 15:00
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not wanting s1mple is fine but benching rain for virtually no reason before his 10 years with faze are full and hes played his last major... all they had to do was keep him officially on the team until january 20th....
2025-10-04 15:03
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well rain benching fked them over in EPL and possible CAC yes but not for the major. all their roster changes so far has been dumb if they didnt do at least one of these changes they would be fine.
2025-10-04 15:05
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im saying rain deserved to play another major with faze on which he knew it was going to be his last one yk.. this is just super hard karma for faze lmao
2025-10-04 15:07
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yes I agree on that
2025-10-04 15:09
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But I still don't understand what's happening. This is an ESL rule, right? What CAC has to do with this? ESL has the guilty here because why didn't they tell Faze about this when they received the lineup for the tournament?
2025-10-04 15:22
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CAC and EPL invite is based on July 7th which FaZe core was still rain, s1mple, elige. I think ESL did want to go through with it even bending the rule for FaZe but then maybe somone or valve realized that the core now is way different than the one invited so they are scrambling on what to do. I guess FaZe argument was that twistzz is a sub so hes not part of the core but valve and vrs dont see sub they only see cores and since core is different they might say no and punish ESL, so ESL decide that FaZe cant play this event for now.
2025-10-04 15:28
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Ok but what I'm still trying to understand, this is a rule enforced by ESL, right? CAC doesn't have this rule? If so, VP can't play with b1st? 😢
2025-10-04 15:39
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yeah idk about CAC for sure but from vrs perspective the same rules should apply. esl rule i think is derived from vrs rules. for vp hmm maybe something will happen too. i dont think CAC understand vrs very much going by their whole qualifier and invited fiasco.
2025-10-04 15:57
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That would have been a good number
2025-10-04 15:05
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Wait,can they still play major?Do not tell they cant play major,that is stupid!
2025-10-04 14:54
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AAHAHAHAHAHAH DESERVED
2025-10-04 14:54
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FaZe org management is so freaking stupid, insane. On their speedrun to overcome VP's management as the silliest one. Respectfully
2025-10-04 14:54
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maybe i believe rain now that eddie and budgetkeanu are at fault lol
2025-10-04 14:58
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#85
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United States RyoGTO
yeah from the interview it sounds like it was primarily erik's decision
2025-10-04 15:04
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who's erik?
2025-10-04 16:52
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#236
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Canada Matomoto
My erik dick in yo mouth mens
2025-10-04 17:07
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#40
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Poland Astoner55
Yo, does it mean that if they won't somehow bring Rain back for the EPL, they have to forfeit ALL the matches and their VRS points get impacted super heavily?
2025-10-04 14:54
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lets gooooo i sure hope soooo
2025-10-04 14:56
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What a dumb statement to make
2025-10-04 15:21
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why mad?
2025-10-04 15:21
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Why would you objectively want one of the most entertaining teams to watch to get DQ from the whole tournament and lose so much VRS points? Just because they benched rain? Xddd
2025-10-04 16:25
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entertaining how? getscarriedagain bottomfragging like usual, frozen neo and jcobbb completely quiet and charismalost, then you have botky and twistzz is just unlikable asf
2025-10-04 16:31
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#54
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Nepal ekadeshma
they need to bring rain or s1mple. Since they forfeit just for today, one of them must be going to sweden today lol.
2025-10-04 14:57
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#83
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Russia 0_0
It's not s1mple, he will probably refuse too Rain, on the other hand, is in Norway, literally a 2 hour flight
2025-10-04 15:04
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he should refuse or make up an excuse, pretty much noone at all on faze has done anything to deserve his good will rn...
2025-10-04 15:22
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#151
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Russia 0_0
Although it will be very funny "Okay bro, look. We somehow fucked up the most basic thing in the world - tournament invites, so you can fly home and watch EPL on your TV. Rain will play" -FaZe management to jcobbb
2025-10-04 15:24
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#275
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New Zealand Skye620
Yes but rain has said he wants to keep playing for Faze so he’ll answer the call and come to EPL. Plus he’s like a 2 hour flight away
2025-10-04 23:17
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ABSOLUTE CINEMA GG
2025-10-04 14:54
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FAZE MANAGEMENT LUL
2025-10-04 14:55
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#43
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Colombia JaiS
Tier 1 org btw
2025-10-04 14:55
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hahahah faze forgot rules XDDD thinking the US is a super power everywhere else other than militarily XDDD
2025-10-04 14:55
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considering the population, finland is actually the only superpower out there
2025-10-04 15:07
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the only thing that matters in war are absolute numbers and US has been number 1 there by a damn wide margin pretty much forever lol
2025-10-04 15:24
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#176
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Finland SLOTHEYY
US can run the game all they want until China decides to enter the chat. And possibly India I guess. Ngl one of the scariest news I've read in a while, considering the current state of world with all of these tensions growing, was a report about China and India trying to make their relationship better. If those two go from enemies to friends you can have countries with almost half the population of the whole planet in the same alliance.
2025-10-04 15:40
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theyre very far from EU tho and have experienced first hand what wars, occupation and colonization on the other side of the world will do im guessing theyre doing that more just for regional dominance yk, snatch back taiwan, phillipines, maybe sth like south korea and japan, indonesia etc etc africa and southeast asia too all of that just as much as possible from US influence, dominance, hegemony etc pretty much all of them there are allied with US and "the west" which doesnt really make sense/is fair if you ask me and the US could essentially establish a sea blockade to be imposed on china pretty much out of nowhere just because they basically own all the islands nations etc to the east of china lol and india would probably also like to get some chance for self determination back lol
2025-10-04 15:46
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Well, those countries chose to be allied with the "west", same for ukraine who chose to try and get away from russia. Hegemony based on somewhat mutual i terests is way different from imperialistic interests (sth europe and the US ofc know a lot about due to their imperial histories)
2025-10-04 16:01
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no they didnt choose that lol they were just more powerless than even china after ww2/in 20th century in general lol just look at japan those countries chose the better of 2 worse options at that time but china and india showing themselves to be stronger now could sway a lot many if not all of them be it likely out of fear in large part just like it was with the US but all this is to say EU has pretty much nothing to fear other than maybe losing influence at most lol there are no mutual interests, the US just gobbled all of those territories up during and after ww2 lol, japan was utterly defeated and had no choice, south korea was also completely without question reliant on the US during and after the korea war and the US made it their mission to set an example with both koreas, pumping money into the south while obliterating everything in the north to "show communism is bad" yk and everyone else in the region saw all that and said ok i dont what that to happen here so ill just be friendly to the US from pretty much the get go lol
2025-10-04 16:28
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i think its very easily glossed over how much power the US and west in general extracts from those military bases and all that and how much of our wealth has been made from that which is also the real reason for all that panic whenever a topic like this comes up because you know you dont really deserve it, the real fear isnt war in your backyard or whatever but losing hegemony
2025-10-04 15:48
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#186
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Poland GAO_dp
They have no chance of winning the war. What will they do with thousands of US nuclear warheads? Well, at "best", a draw with the destruction of the entire planet and a nuclear winter.
2025-10-04 15:51
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#193
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Finland SLOTHEYY
Well, no country has any chance of winning a large war in the modern day if nukes ever get launched, it will just result in a mutual destruction of everything.
2025-10-04 15:58
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Well, technology, strategy and morale usually beat the numbers. Especially in modern warfare most of the destruction and fighting is done by machines (and the people controlling them). And i took finland as example because to this day russia is propably scared of finland + finland probably has the best equipped army in europe
2025-10-04 15:51
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russia isnt scared of finland, its just not worth it to conquer a region with like a million soldiers to beat and relatively strong military in comparison to some wetlands, not a whole lot of wealth to be gained and just like 8 million inhabitants lol but this doesnt give finland power per se its just an advantage in their defense and forthgoing existence as a state and for their people thats it
2025-10-04 15:54
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Oh they 100% are scared given the history (apart from finland now being nato). But fair, no real point in conquering apart from living stalin's fantasies. But there is also no point in conquering Ukraine, there is no justifacation for that in law (dictators love to think about empires and legacies long term), the cost at this point exceeds amy material gain already, the most reasonable (for outsiders) would be to retreat and get some minimal advantages, maybe for putin to save his face too since he cares about that a whole lot i imagine. But they likely won't do that, rather send hundreds of thousands of soldier into a useless meatgrinder that costs infinite death and suffering on both sides (more so on the ukrainian side ofc because it's happening in their country)
2025-10-04 16:05
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ukraine has weaker military in comparison to its landmass and population tho at least and ukraine is also seen as more russian by most people than finland lol this is what this has been about for the most part the whole time; they essentially share a language n allat they share a whole lot more than finland and russia today along with again the cost to gain ratio
2025-10-04 16:23
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Crazy how this comes just 4 hours before the game, both at fault esl and faze
2025-10-04 14:55
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more just faze, esl probably tried to give them as much grace as possible or sth lol
2025-10-04 14:57
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How the hell they react so late like the twistzz announcement came last week and just by now they step up
2025-10-04 14:57
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faze are the ones that forfeit the match... idk watchu mean tbh
2025-10-04 14:59
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Yeah bc how the hell are they supposed to bring rain in just 3 hours lmao??
2025-10-04 15:01
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theyre not and i hope to god rain declines either way lol faze do NOT deserve it whatsoever also rain should have really been there already if anything seeing as its more the orgs responsibility to make sure everything lines up with their vrs invites etc all serious teams have one person on staff pretty much solely for that....
2025-10-04 15:05
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It's not ESL's fault if FaZe management doesn't read or understand the rules. The rules have been there all the time to read up on, it's not like someone at ESL contacted FaZe today and was like "Yo btw, we have a rule that you need 3 players from VRS ranking date blabla. You don't have that right now".
2025-10-04 15:08
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Why would esl just not notice them because everyone loses here. Esl can produce that g2 game and faze needs to forfeit it and needs to get rain back. Im not saying this isnt faze fault none of this would have happened if faze knew what they were doing but on the otherhand its just crazy how the organizer lets it just slip while they could have noted them much sooner
2025-10-04 15:13
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either way just deserved for faze really tho, karma
2025-10-04 15:55
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How's ESL's fault that Faze doesn't know the rules? lol. It's on Faze to know the rules, not on ESL to baby feed them
2025-10-04 15:06
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exactly
2025-10-04 15:10
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#47
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Nepal ekadeshma
FaZe management Cinema
2025-10-04 14:56
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#66
rain | 
United States RyoGTO
and even more so pretty weird from the tournament organizers+
2025-10-04 14:59
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cope
2025-10-04 15:10
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How? Do they know 3 months in advance that Faze will kick its whole core?
2025-10-04 15:11
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It's on the Org's to know the rules and make sure it's all covered. The TO's should not be responsible for babysitting all of the teams lol
2025-10-04 16:35
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#49
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Germany shizliNe
2025-10-04 14:56
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#79
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Slovakia ryderawr
My goat maj3r could never
2025-10-04 15:03
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My fantasy in shambles
2025-10-04 14:56
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get G2-0ed xDDDDDDDD
2025-10-04 14:56
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#52
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Romania wadd
Lmao
2025-10-04 14:56
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"have decided"
2025-10-04 14:57
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Ridiculous management, you could have informed the team during the first stage, why wait until four hours before the game?
2025-10-04 14:57
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Wdym, the rules have been there to read the whole time. If FaZe doesn't read or understand them, that's their own fault.
2025-10-04 15:11
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s1mple fly to Sweden, win everything 2.5 rating goat mvp
2025-10-04 14:58
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#73
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Russia 0_0
Rain too while we are at it Frozen Twistzz Karrigan Rain S1mple
2025-10-04 15:02
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kick gotcarriedagain pls....
2025-10-04 15:07
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#100
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Russia 0_0
How the fuck it's karrigan's fault again? Management is the one responsible for VRS invites and cores
2025-10-04 15:09
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hes just the worst in general easily obviously along with eddie and budgetkeanu lol
2025-10-04 15:10
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#109
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Russia 0_0
I know you got traumatized enough by management issues with your flair, but trust me, karrigan isn't the one who caused FaZe to ff this game
2025-10-04 15:11
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i know im just saying i dont want him on any faze roster or really anything that isnt the coach role.... also wanna compare the trophies my flairs management managed to pick up in the last 18 months to your flairs? lmao... plus making huge bank from selling both NiKo and m0NESY for huge price tags while your flair let ropz leave completely for free lmao
2025-10-04 15:13
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#120
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Russia 0_0
Let's not consider Major achievements of FaZe and G2 though... The situation there isn't looking too hot
2025-10-04 15:14
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at austin it was pretty equal and in 2024 g2 made semifinal both times and faze made final both times but still no trophy so it doesnt really make a difference lmao stay mad lol
2025-10-04 15:15
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#128
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Russia 0_0
Fair enough, but given the fact G2 had the 2nd and 4th best players on the planet in 2024 makes it even more comedic
2025-10-04 15:17
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at least they won trophies outside of that which is what made those 2 2nd and 4th in the first place lol not to mention g2 probably made more money from last 2 majors too regardless of placement bc faze was stage 2 in austin lol at the end of the day it only means something if you win the major or you dont lmao
2025-10-04 15:20
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#147
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Russia 0_0
Whatever helps you sleep better honestly
2025-10-04 15:22
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flair flag cope
2025-10-04 15:24
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#157
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Russia 0_0
Not sure how my flag is related to this but okay I guess
2025-10-04 15:26
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its just self made loser yk just like faze
2025-10-04 15:26
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#161
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Russia 0_0
Go on, you are onto something
2025-10-04 15:27
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ty nothing to go on about tho thats really the final conclusion of this
2025-10-04 15:30
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#204
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China hdgamerrr
The problem isn't with his calls or management skills; it's with his stats. Dude is 35 years old with an average of 0.8 rating across the year. His calls and his teammates are just not good enough to make it work.
2025-10-04 16:21
0
absolute management disasterclass
2025-10-04 14:58
1
#61
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Poland Saruman69
they will solve it for tomorrow i guess. it's just paperwork
2025-10-04 14:58
0
13 replies
it is against valve rules really no? not just paperwork...
2025-10-04 14:59
2
12 replies
#80
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Poland Saruman69
i don't know and it seems neither do esl and faze. if rules are clear why esl didn't told faze yesterday that they can't play? Overall this is bigger circus it put esport in unprofessional light
2025-10-04 15:03
0
11 replies
why didnt faze make sure they are allowed to play? its in their interest first and foremost and all serious orgs have an employee currently pretty much only focused on vrs lol
2025-10-04 15:09
1
10 replies
#119
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Poland Saruman69
idk if they didn't. that works in both ways. they signed current lineup like week ago I guess. why esl didn't respond with hey guys you can't play with that team" all parties woke up 4h before game. that madness. esport isn't really matured yet and I don't know if it ever will be
2025-10-04 15:14
0
3 replies
all i will do is laugh super hard at faze thats for sure also faze probably told esl this at max like 2 weeks ago lol
2025-10-04 16:20
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2 replies
#205
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Poland Saruman69
whatever bro i don't expect anything more from hltv users
2025-10-04 16:22
1
1 reply
*faze haters
2025-10-04 16:28
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#196
 | 
Russia kinsley
ESL should've done that too. Faze submitted the lineup long ago and ESL should have noticed that Faze don't have the eligible core. Overall it's a disgrace.
2025-10-04 16:00
2
5 replies
esl are not responsible for faze... faze isnt their fkn child....
2025-10-04 16:19
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4 replies
#211
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Poland Saruman69
esl is responsible to do clear communication both with teams and community like viewers making surprised face and act like they didn't know (for example yesterday ) what roster one of teams have looks silly.
2025-10-04 16:27
1
1 reply
the rules were available for faze all they had to do was read lmao
2025-10-04 16:28
0
#249
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Russia kinsley
You are right, but if ESL allowed Faze to play like this, they would have lost ranked status for their tournament. So it is in their interest too.
2025-10-04 17:26
0
1 reply
huh esl dont lose anything in this
2025-10-04 17:31
0
expected
2025-10-04 14:59
0
well well well. surely Faze get to play the rest of EPL and this situation resolves itself
2025-10-04 14:59
0
who knew
2025-10-04 15:00
0
#70
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Scotland TWGKofi
Common FaZe org and ESL L
2025-10-04 15:01
1
#71
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Poland Menaheer
only match worth watching gg
2025-10-04 15:01
1
and no replacement sadge
2025-10-04 15:03
0
Deserved
2025-10-04 15:03
0
Imagine if rain says he's sick and can't attend ... they'll have to call s1mple
2025-10-04 15:04
1
5 replies
call s1mple and do what, he is under contract with bc, it’s either rain or ff the entire event
2025-10-04 15:12
1
4 replies
Imagine ff the entire event and -major. Won't happen but stage 1 is possible
2025-10-04 15:15
1
1 reply
their matches right now won't count for the next major ranking invite. seems like they could be stage 1 depending on how decay affects Monday's ranking (seems like it was too close to call)
2025-10-04 17:48
0
He can still be allowed by BC to play on loan , also BC can ask faze for some money to allow him to play
2025-10-04 15:45
0
1 reply
yea bro because bcgame is a charity foundation loaning players whenever needed and s1mple is a freelancer doing one event gigs when orgs need him
2025-10-04 17:20
0
#82
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Spain Trujasmich
FakeClan
2025-10-04 15:04
1
#87
b1t | 
China oottfe
good job, boss of Faze Clan!
2025-10-04 15:05
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#92
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Czech Republic PaYaB
cinema
2025-10-04 15:06
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#99
 | 
Russia kinsley
jesus man this is beyond incompetence
2025-10-04 15:09
1
BAHAHAHA KARRIGAN AND MANAGEMENT MASTERCLASS F00000ZEEEE
2025-10-04 15:09
1
faze decided to forfeit? what if faze didn't decide to forfeit?
2025-10-04 15:10
0
1 reply
They would get forfeited. Its forfeit or be forfeited
2025-10-04 15:14
3
from being the team with the most aura at the last major to being scared of getting igl diffed by hunter
2025-10-04 15:11
9
LMAO
2025-10-04 15:11
0
Rain better not go to sweden and bail these fuckers out. Let them rot and fail.
2025-10-04 15:12
6
1 reply
Rain be like "I'm a BC gamer now"
2025-10-04 15:13
2
Why people clown on Faze, it's clearly a TO fault, should have warned them beforehand
2025-10-04 15:14
2
3 replies
ESL's General Rules and Roster Restrictions rulebooks require teams to retain at least three out of five players (or "a majority") from the invitation ranking: Faze didnt bother to read rulebooks
2025-10-04 15:19
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2 replies
Twistzz was submitted before the EPL rosterlock btw not to mention all that media stuff, ESL dont know their own rules?
2025-10-04 16:01
1
1 reply
Twistzz isn't the issue, broky/jcobb are. Faze submitted the roster with rain in the main roster and twistzz as a sub. However, they thought they could play without rain, false, they could play without broky or jcob
2025-10-04 20:07
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Deserved for having a shit management
2025-10-04 15:14
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#125
EliGE | 
Canada CR3_
Twistzz playing his heart out for Liquid to make the major and now he won't even play at the major... absolute cinema
2025-10-04 15:15
1
1 reply
he'll be rostered as a sub and play in the major, just like s1mple at austin
2025-10-04 17:52
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#130
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Poland BAN_ANIME
lol lmao even
2025-10-04 15:18
0
Unprofessional org wasting a spot many teams would have liked.
2025-10-04 15:18
2
1 reply
Truth
2025-10-04 16:28
2
Twistzz at desk for most events now
2025-10-04 15:19
1
This is just on another level... aAhahahahahshahagagahshshsgagagsgahagshshahsha I hope all those Faze clan hatewatchers are having a good time atm :)))
2025-10-04 15:20
1
#139
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Finland sway777
BRING BACK S1MPLE AND RAIN, MAKE IT HAPPEN
2025-10-04 15:20
1
#146
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Colombia PedMar
Call s1mple
2025-10-04 15:22
1
clown
2025-10-04 15:23
0
#155
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Sweden Vrede
July was so cinema
2025-10-04 15:25
0
is it just todays match or they forfeit whole esl
2025-10-04 15:25
0
7 replies
FaZe forfeit ESL Pro League match against G2
2025-10-04 15:29
1
5 replies
but what about the next matches? will it be ok all of a sudden.
2025-10-04 15:38
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4 replies
#209
Faceit level 10  | 
coldzera | 
Mongolia henryhen69
that is in the hands of rain. if he plays for faze just in this tournament, they get to play
2025-10-04 16:25
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2 replies
could it screw them for that major?
2025-10-04 16:37
0
1 reply
no, the matches right now won't be added to the rankings on monday because tournament will still be ongoing
2025-10-04 17:54
0
No, all of sudden it wont be ok. Quite the opposite, actually. Faze will not be able to play ESL. End of story.
2025-10-04 16:27
1
they have to get rain back i guess
2025-10-04 15:31
1
Rain for jcobbb incoming
2025-10-04 15:28
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FaZe dodged G2, but i just cant prove it
2025-10-04 15:35
1
1 reply
*eerie music playingg with bald guy watching*
2025-10-04 16:26
1
Inb4 rain “unfit to play” announcement
2025-10-04 15:37
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2 replies
imagine if faze announces he is sick or sumtn but he announces that he is perfectly healthy
2025-10-04 16:56
1
1 reply
Imagine
2025-10-04 19:04
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man I just wanted to see faze today..... fuck it.
2025-10-04 15:37
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#178
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Germany phillo283
Well done, of course i picked 2 players in my fantasy Team.
2025-10-04 15:41
0
s1mple dodged a bullet.
2025-10-04 15:46
1
Obviously it’s Faze’s stupid oversight, but pretty funny that ESL did not remind them or anything when the whole world knows rain is benched
2025-10-04 15:50
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#185
Xyp9x | 
Asia NinX
This would be considered a 2:0 win for G2 right ?
2025-10-04 15:51
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5 replies
#190
Faceit level 10  | 
Senzu | 
Spain corb
lol stfu
2025-10-04 15:56
0
4 replies
#220
Xyp9x | 
Asia NinX
What... I got money riding on it. XD
2025-10-04 16:29
0
3 replies
I don't see how any bookie would pay that bet
2025-10-04 17:55
0
2 replies
#262
Xyp9x | 
Asia NinX
Wasn't a bookie. It was with a friend
2025-10-04 18:46
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1 reply
in that case you'll have to really convince your friend to pay lol
2025-10-04 18:59
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Hatewatchers rejoice
2025-10-04 15:53
0
DESERVED FOR KICKING RAIN AND ELIGE
2025-10-04 15:56
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#195
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Europe _Liam_
Fuck you esl
2025-10-04 16:00
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#207
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United Kingdom Veradunn
What a day, I can't even HATE WATCH FAZE :( they forfeit instead. Another Karrigan masterclass. Please disband.
2025-10-04 16:23
0
faze continues to be managed by clowns
2025-10-04 16:26
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NotLikeThis
2025-10-04 16:28
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Deserved shitter karrigan
2025-10-04 16:30
0
Looks like bencing of rain was hastily done. I wonder what happened behind the scenes
2025-10-04 16:32
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I'm here to write a "hate message" about Karrigan. Rain told that he wasn't him who kick, but I prefer to believe my conspiration theory and my alternative story about Karrigan kicking his best friend before the major.
2025-10-04 16:34
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deserved go home
2025-10-04 16:37
0
Vrs rigged
2025-10-04 16:39
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#232
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Germany Spelunker
lol fly to Sweden to just forfeit the games and go home
2025-10-04 16:56
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#233
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
FaZe org is so fucking dumb and regarded NOBODY wanted -Rain just weeks prior to the major and his 10 year badge and especially not this twatss guy. fucking cursed soab
2025-10-04 16:56
1
#235
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Canada minibeech
s1mple was a fucking stand in not a signed roster member WTF?
2025-10-04 17:06
0
2 replies
#242
Faceit premium user Faceit level 9  | 
Norway matsdeff
He played more than 5 games so thats probably why he counts?
2025-10-04 17:19
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1 reply
#248
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Canada minibeech
still they s1mple in ther. thats so fucking old. That was last major. Invites shouldnt have been from half a year ago.
2025-10-04 17:25
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#240
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Brazil gu1zera
Only two words: CLOWN FIESTA
2025-10-04 17:14
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#241
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Norway xue
Rain is back in. Jcobb out for the rest of the tournament!
2025-10-04 17:17
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#245
rain | 
Canada Metna
are you fucking kidding me?
2025-10-04 17:22
0
#246
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Twistzz | 
Sweden DiTzZ
Rain is back CINEMA
2025-10-04 17:24
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1 reply
No.
2025-10-05 16:31
0
#250
Faceit level 4  | 
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Sweden Annoyed_Swede123
How did it not work for Faze to use Twistzz as a playing substitute?
2025-10-04 17:31
0
1 reply
issue here is the VRS core at the time of the invite being the team from the major, because it was before this season started. bringing broky back changed 1 player and kicking elige changed 2. subbing rain for twistzz would make it 3 changes on the server, which isn't supposed to happen.
2025-10-04 18:26
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#252
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Germany drunk_
And that's the reason why this system is so quacking trash... Something isn't working? Well quack you then. Wait 6 months for the offseason or go to hell lol... Wtf
2025-10-04 17:38
1
s1mple is back?)))
2025-10-04 17:41
0
Should have just benched jcobb. tho using july VRS for a event in october lmfao
2025-10-04 17:42
0
#255
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Sweden multib
Ngl kind of a boss move to do. So unexpected I respect it. Zero people pleasing mentality
2025-10-04 17:47
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#264
Faceit level 10  | 
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Germany regieG
This is such a shitshow... I have zero idea how nobody on FaZe OR ESLs side thought of contacting the other in advance and figuring shit out behind the scenes. This just looks messy and unprofessional af.
2025-10-04 19:03
0
See kicking rain instead of botky already backfired hahahahanow they chose to replace jcobbb with rain instead of again botky. You dont need a main AWPer. Especially one that whiffs 95% of the shots
2025-10-04 19:16
0
Expected
2025-10-04 19:26
0
Honestly kinda seems like Faze tried to blackmail ESL. ESL loses out on the biggest match of the broadcast if they don't let Faze use the new lineup. And they potentially have to pay Faze a "club share" for the privilege. ESL must be fucking pissed.
2025-10-04 20:09
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#271
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Finland Tusku
shouldve just said rain was unfit to play
2025-10-04 21:34
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#279
FalleN | 
Brazil GsV
Nice planning, but it's not like Faze is a big and famous organization in esports, right?
2025-10-05 03:16
0
What a disaster...
2025-10-05 15:10
0
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