ESL to release new anti-cheat tool

21-9-2010 13:20

The Electronic Sports League have divulged information about a new anti-cheat tool which is in the making.

The Electronic Sports League have divulged information about a new anti-cheat tool which is in the making.

The new project has been given the name ESL Wire Anti-Cheat, and is said to be integrated with the already existing ESL Wire software which offers features such as a screen shot tool and integrated Aequitas- anti-cheat technology.

Back in 2009, ESL were originally developing the second edition of Aequitas, but as problems occured in the third quarter of the year and the deadline not reached, plans were abandoned.

However, when the development team realized that the Aequitas 2 would not see daylight, they started working on a new tool simultaneously. The new project advanced with greater speed than what its planned predecessor did.

The closed beta

The new project has been given the name ESL Wire Anti-Cheat, and will be integrated with the already existing ESL Wire software which offers features such as a screen shot tool and integrated Aequitas anti-cheat technology.

Back in 2009, ESL were originally developing the second edition of Aequitas, but problems occured in the third quarter of the year and the deadline was not reached. This made the developers start working on another tool simultaneously.

As months went by, and the schedule for Aequitas 2 became even more delayed, the new project had advanced with much greater speed than what its planned predecessor had. Close to two months ago, the Aequitas 2 plans were officially canceled, and ESL Wire Anti-Cheat was looking very promising.

The closed beta was for short time ago concluded, and a release candidate (RC) is now ready. The development behind the new anti-cheat tool has a stunning price tag of more than €500,000, Community Manager Julia Christophers said in a comment on the ESL website.

"Thanks everyone for being patient and for trusting the new AC. more than €500.000 have been spent on the new AC already and many months of hard work. We are really excited and we do not want to make any hasty steps"

The new anti-cheat solution is a real computer driver (software used to interface a particular hardware device with an operating system), operating on the Ring 0 level.

"In computer science, hierarchical protection domains, often called protection rings, are a mechanism to protect data and functionality from faults (fault tolerance) and malicious behaviour (computer security)."

"Ring 0 is the level with the most privileges and interacts most directly with the physical hardware such as the CPU and memory" - Wikipedia

Because the new software is a real driver, it will work outside ESL matches, something that Aequitas 2 would not be able to cope with. This opens the possibility for employing the tool in for instance ESL gather matches.

The Electronic Sports League have not set any particular release date yet, but in an article by Julia Christophers it reads that they are hoping to release it within short time.

nice

2010-09-21 13:21

2010-09-21 13:22

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o rly? :D Actually thats really nice. GJ ESL

2010-09-21 14:38

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why you lie to me?

2010-09-22 07:57

sounds nice!

hope it works well

nice gj

500 000e O_O

8 replies

more than €500,000

2010-09-21 14:14

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500 001 happy?

2010-09-21 20:34

over 9000

2010-09-21 21:25

AC - 500k Organner - 20$ ESL Admins faces - priceless

2010-09-21 21:39

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Sorry, that's not going to happen in a long long time.

2010-09-22 08:02

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if they release it by the end of oct, organner will have it bypassed by christmas, he always update his stuff for christmas in case some child ask his mom for cs cheats u know :p

2010-09-24 03:13

Orgranner is doomed to fail, he will be like wtf bbq mate, when he tries.

2010-09-24 07:58

I higly doubt that plus it's not like Germans don't have their own community rofl!

2010-09-24 21:50

So they did listen to kHRYSTAl... good job ESL

2010-09-21 13:26

sure...khrystal was this reason for this :)

2010-09-21 13:51

2010-09-21 13:55

lol

2010-09-21 16:12

Nice1

500k € ???

2010-09-21 13:27

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€500,000 - read

2010-09-21 13:28

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€500k = €500,000 :)

2010-09-21 13:35

500k = 500 000 /facepalm

2010-09-21 13:37

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1k = 1000, 500k = 500,000 get it?

2010-09-21 13:39

emmmm, yes? o_O I was the one who used "500k"

2010-09-21 13:56

read again xD

2010-09-21 20:59

k=1000

2010-09-21 13:57

thanks teacher but he knows that! :D

2010-09-21 14:31

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2010-09-21 15:26

reply fail :DD

2010-09-21 17:38

500 000 euro ? sure...

Pretty sure the twelve developers need a salary, and you can imagine the other expenses. :)

Serious Buisness :P, but do they really need 12 "developpers" to do an real anti-cheat program... Wait and see, i hope this prog will kick some ass or it will be just wasted money.

Of course they do, making an anti-cheat that will actually 100% work and not have cheats released for it is so so hard, hopefully as this has had so much money spent on it it will actually work :)

2010-09-21 14:43

i make new folders for only $1m.. pm me

2010-09-21 17:07

Sounds really nice, but the price isn't really that stunning :p Salaries alone for 12 devolopers for a year should be around 600000 euro...

2010-09-21 13:32

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How is 500,000 euros not stunning?

2010-09-21 13:33

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maybe he has a salary like L. Messi or C.Ronaldo

2010-09-21 13:38

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Or maybe it's not devoloped in some country where people work for close to nothing...

2010-09-21 13:42

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ok, if you read €500k (without knowing how many years of work) IT IS stunning, here, in Russia, in Denmark, and in Bolivia...

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Rough calculation of their salary, ranging from 25-30000 dkr per month. salary per month * number of employees * months / 7.5 = euroes 25000 * 12 * 12 / 7.5 = 480000 euroes 30000 * 12 * 12 / 7.5 = 576000 euroes Even with the least educated devolopers, with the least experience the salary would still be 21000+ per month.

2010-09-21 14:09

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you live in denmark.

2010-09-21 14:23

I don't think Germany is that different, it doesn't get much lower, but it's not something I know.

2010-09-21 18:01

Dude, a 'normal' software developer gets maybe between 20-30,000 euros a year (in the UK), so 12 of them x 1 year = 240,000 - 360,000 euros, and if you read the article development started in 2009, so it's about right, which is still a pretty amazing amount for an anti-cheat :)

2010-09-21 14:50

The starting salary for a Danish CS grad is around 4500 euro a month, and this is when you are fresh out of the university..

2010-09-21 17:24

For all domains of development ? I mean i dont think video games developpers earn that much every month... But web developpers do :D and frequently they do earn more than 4.5K/month but it's the same in All European countries.

2010-09-21 19:42

but it's the same in All European countries. you guys want to make "nice" answers to the admin or what? use your brains. Demonstrate me that the developers earn 4.5k€ in Europe and I will send you 1000€ to your bank account, just for that. Your answers make me laugh, weak up...

2010-09-21 21:50

Quoting myself : "But web developpers do" I never said all developpers were earning 4.5k€/month. I was talking about those who work for the deisgn of websites, web agencies, who spend their selling website builded by some cms with a price totally overated. I'm not licking any one ass and if you were smart enough you should know that the web is an oasis of economic wealth. Most of the internet users dont win anything of internet but web developpers can spend a nice salary if they "use their brains". I was just asking a question to Nomad and never wanted to start some stupid argument about money... I dont like your tone either. Stop judging people about things you dont understand it could be good advice in life. About your 1k€ proposal i do accept and can show you many friends developpers earning more than 4.5k€ each month, they are all french and they do not all work in the field of web :P. Ps : All my school is full of developpers and i am one actually, i'm not winning 4.5K€ yet but i hope in few years i will :D

2010-09-21 22:13

weak up, again. <i> "I was talking about those who work for the deisgn of websites, web agencies, who spend their selling website builded by some cms with a price totally overated. "</i> lol, if you really study about programing, pcs, etc... you should know that it's crazy what you are saying, or maybe you live in another world. 4000+€ for design websites, agencies, I just can LOL. Ofc there are ppl who earn that, but most of them doesn't earn more than 2500€. edit. or France is very different from Spain, which I don't think so. [is better, but come on, 4,5k € for that ppl, rofl.!!!

2010-09-21 22:53

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Are you stupid or what ? How a 22 years old guy from Kuwait living in Spain who barely know anything about programming can pretend that he knows everything about the salary of web developpers? Of course everyone programming in javascript, php, xhtml/css and all web programming languages arent earning 4.5K€/month but a lot of people do, those who are well established in this domain and can have 6K€ contracts to design some simple website which will take them like 3hours to build completly. About other demains like Search engine optimization, database architecture or just the development of iphone applications are some good resources income for developpers/programmers. I think you have no realistic idea about how developpers work and you still think they are geeks living a basement doing like some WoW gold farmers... You can believe in what ever you want and i wont change the thinking of someone so narrow minded.

2010-09-21 23:21

I am not from Kuwait, just like this flag. I am living in Spain right now, studied in Germany, I already finished technician of systems of telecommunications and IT and still studying. My sister is programing in C++ and java, and she doesn't earn 4k€. And as you said, not all the ppl earn that, but in your first post you said "they who programs web pages, etc do" so I am not the one who is stupid.

2010-09-21 23:37

... Cool story bro!

2010-09-22 13:54

a real one, not like yours dreams.

2010-09-22 14:43

I dont give a fuck :D

2010-09-22 19:19

Guess they didn't develop it in denmark then :P

2010-09-21 19:59

so I will be developer, and I'll go to denmark to live, SluMdOG millionare StylEz WoHoOO!

2010-09-21 15:29

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But everything is much more expensive there as well

2010-09-21 17:22

Feel free to, but don't forget the 50%+ taxes, the 25% VAT and what ever else goes with it.. :)

2010-09-21 17:25

oh, then the 4k€ are 2000€ yes? if yes, it's ok. but everybody was talking about "clear" who cares about %...

2010-09-21 21:53

Uh no, that is not how taxes work..

2010-09-22 00:20

You could probaly be a cleaning lady here, and still make more money than a grade student that works in Argentina.

2010-09-21 18:03

yeah but the booze is too expensive and to drive to germany everytime is not really what i want, but still dk is an amazing country

2010-09-21 19:05

You can work for Carlsberg or Heineken = free beer.

2010-09-21 20:12

€ = 4x$... if you compare wages between countries yes, but if you want to live, no... things there are more expensives... so it isn't a matter of "number" really...

2010-09-21 22:12

I'm just trying to say the price for developing the software is not that stunning, didn't mean to compare countries :)

2010-09-21 23:08

"and in Bolivia" AJAJAJA que hdp

2010-09-21 17:40

Read edit :)

Divide 500k on 12, that is less than a year worth salary.

2010-09-21 16:38

No, not really.

2010-09-21 16:41

you earn 3472€ per month? that salary is many more than average salary, here, in rusia or in germany.

2010-09-21 16:52

I mean, not all 500k goes to the workers. 200k may be.

2010-09-23 19:25

4.1+k € per month for each worker, great salary imo. But I am sure they don't earn that amount of money.

2010-09-21 16:50

Pretty low salary for a software developer if it was in Denmark.. I wouldn't accept a job with that pay..

2010-09-21 17:26

if you suggested job for 4.1k euros for a software developer in Lithuania i think it would be amazing hehe.

2010-09-21 17:41

"The average computer programmer working in Denmark now earns a salary of 210102 DKK or $25893 USD." I see.

2010-09-21 19:53

That simply isn't true.

2010-09-21 20:33

this info is taken from a book which cost 15€ "Working Abroad Career Guide for Denmark" If it's not true, could you show me 'your' truth? It's obvious that there are programmers that can earn that amount of money and 10 times more, but that is not average. And if 4000€+ if low amount for working on a chair, even if it's in Denmark... I really don't get it. You wouldn't like to earn 4k€ per month being a programmer in Denmark? maybe life is more expensive than in Spain or Germany, but with 4k€ you can live really really good

2010-09-21 21:45

Well I don't know, maybe because I happen to LIVE HERE, happen to be studying on my last year for my degree, and have more than 10 friends who all went out and got a starting salary of ~4500€ euro.. Oh and a brother that is a CS major too who earns way more than this working in Switzerland..

2010-09-21 22:00

My friend was in Germany las summer. He sais that almost 60% goes for taxes, isn't it?

2010-09-23 19:27

Yea at some point it goes up above 60%, but it is a tad more complex than that because you can deduct certain things, thinking of it at around 50% is normally alright..

2010-09-23 19:38

hope not, that's stupidly low

2010-09-22 09:59

We do, and yes I am one myself...

2010-09-21 18:04

I'm moving to Denmark ASAP!

2010-09-21 19:56

Not sure if it's wise to spend that amount of money on a single program. They could have used existing programs in the market, so that the money could be spent on other areas (ex: more prize money) or qualifiers in other countries that never had ESL before.

2010-09-21 13:31

+1 EAC for example.

2010-09-21 13:34

Cheats for EAC already exist.

2010-09-21 14:24

Cheats exists for every anti-cheat... you can't stop them cheaters :P

2010-09-21 15:31

no.. you have no idea how big the cheat problem is but this program will not solve all problems. they have to reform the whole AC-section to make competitive play in the lower ranked leagues like EAS possible again.

Assume what you wrote is right, "but this program will not solve all problems." That would give a bigger reason not to spend the money at all. But my point isn't about whether the program will work or not, it's the money being spent. I personally think it's not wise, except if they have huge sponsors backing ESL financially. Then it's not a problem.

I love the idea of implementing an anti-cheat that will stop hackers, but what exactly do they plan on doing with our "CPU and memory"? My PC is reaching it's limits with all these drivers, devices, and software installed already. Plus this increases the chance of security software interfering with the program such as "Computer optimizers", which can cause many problems in the future. Might even damage certain computers.

first thing is that it sounds nice that they now have new anticheat second is 500K? o_O Just for anticheat? Hope it will work well, lol... the third is that its VERY SAD that in PG are AC needed...

Sweet

good

thumbs up!

2010-09-21 13:47

should have just bought the rights to use ESEA for a much cheaper price lol

agreed, ESEA or EAC3...

2010-09-21 13:49

But ESL Wire AC can much deeper intervene in the system. The idea behind it, is a kind of turnaround in the subject. For Turtle Entertainment is serious business, they don't want to rely on VAC, EAC or what else. Furthermore, these programs are crap.

2010-09-21 14:46

:D yeah we will see later in 1month how awesome this software is :D

Skepticism is allowed but sniffy behavior is unnecessary.

2010-09-21 15:45

gesundheit

I hope they get what they paid for

aprils fool?!?!

This is something but, what about prize money due?

I wonder how many "TOP players" will go inactive now. Especially in polish ESL league.

2010-09-21 13:50

NICE ====D

2010-09-21 13:52

Why does anyone spend 500.000€ on something like this. We have EAC, make a good deal with the developer behind it and the cost should be way lower and the effectiveness way higher!

it's their money, so you should really care on what they spent it anyway they are doing something to stop cheaters at all in esport, imagine 100% working anti-cheat in future, this is step forward to create perfect AC in future

2010-09-21 15:17

How on earth can you say, that EAC is more effective?

2010-09-21 15:52

I meant the effect/prize ;) However, I am greatful that they are doing something against cheaters!

2010-09-21 17:28

When a program is full of bugs and memory problems which you have to solve, it 'll cost less to do a new one with a stronger basis. Especially if you didnt developped the old prog.

anti-cheat business is like anti-virus business. 15 years after the first anti-virus there still isn't a proper anti-virus program. either it takes way too many resources and causes too many problems or it just does not protect you properly. I feel this 500k anti-cheat is either going to take too much resources or it will not detect all cheats.

15 years after the first anti-virus there still isn't a proper anti-virus program. I think that's because virus keeps developing everyday. Hackers will spawn new viruses that cancel out the protection that an anti-virus has on your PC. To say that there's no proper anti-virus program, it's not either right or wrong. I believe anti-virus company, like Kaspersky, is trying their best to protect your PC from harms.

2010-09-21 14:01

there is a theory that anti virus companies also makes viruses for their programs to have it update all the time and make more money ;)

2010-09-21 15:20

it's not just a theory, they did make virus because if they dont do it, others will do and they don't know when those people are going to. its better to make ur own virus and make anti-virus updating regularly:D

2010-09-21 18:41

I don't know where that theory comes from. It's possible that they also make viruses. But, at least, I've never had any problem with my anti-virus (thx God. :D) I think the source of the viruses that infect most people PCs are caused by their own actions. For example: downloading program that isn't from genuine website, accessing anonymous websites (mostly porn websites), opening unknown emails, etc.

2010-09-21 19:39

How do you think N0rt0n get so many cash ? That one of the worst anti-malware but he is on all windows vista computers when you just buy it.

I use vista and I didn't have Norton the first time I bought it, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. And I don't exclude the possibility that they make viruses in order to gain more profits. It's just that the caused why the viruses infect your PC, most of them, are because of your own action like I said above.

I apologize if you havent Norton on your pc at default :], 5 minutes ago i just run a computer i bought today with 7 Home edition on it and what i just found, Norton was already installed :P Making viruses was an excellent argument to pretend there were new threats on pcs that competitors of those anti-viruses company didnt find yet ;)

2010-09-21 20:46

wtf? 500k $ lol crazy

2010-09-21 13:59

yay new anti cheat... i hope x22 from cod4,css,cod mw2 will die ;D

wierd spending so much money on this anti-cheat instead of buying the EAC3 rights for ESL, this would have been much cheaper and also more effective!

2010-09-21 14:03

Oh I think there's already cheats (in private) that's already bypassing EAC.

2010-09-21 14:07

yeah but not much :D in aeq you can use every aimer and every wallhacks wich is running in kernel mode. it would have been a huge sucess to use this in the german community with a good bust wave :D nothing is worse than aeq.

2010-09-21 14:52

well, not anymore it seems, since the new Aequitas is said to be patroling the ring 0 level. I'm gonna wait with judging the tool until it shows what it's capable of.

2010-09-21 19:33

how old is the ring0 cheat? at least 1-2years since the last update there are newer cheat packs out there immunity and a lot more unkown privat hacks wich will be updated any month. and for sure this ac tool will improve but how long? i will give them 1month and then they must update their ac tool like EAC3 does it and i doubt that these ac guys will do the job. i guess that not the right way. they spended 500k euros for and ac tool okay lets ban the assholes :D but there is still the problem with the esl league self there are pretty much and known corrupt admins with a little bit money your 12pps will go or your timetable will be rejected. as i said the should have been spend more money in better lan events and with admins wich get money for what they do. how many admins are being payed in the esl leage? i dont know the numbers but not many :D

2010-09-21 20:16

500.000e o__O

Omfg !!! spend those 500k on LAN tournaments!!!

waste of 500k.. week later some comp nerd got a new cheat ;)

2010-09-21 14:18

where the hell is the article about the 500k? joking? its not the link. rly bullshit to spent that amount. would have been the best to set it up for better leagues with correct admins not some german corupt ones when you pay them 100euro and they unban you ect.

2010-09-21 14:25

It says "a comment". Scroll all the way down on the website...

2010-09-21 14:32

lol :D kk thx

2010-09-21 15:09

What you people don't seem to realize is 500,000€ is not that big a money for any company, especially for a fairly big company such as ESL. It's a big wad of cash for any individual, yes, but we're talking about a business here, and businesses don't exactly run with the allowance you get from your mom. It's not many years back when CPL offered 1,000,000$ as price money. ESL AC is something that will most likely make them a lot of money through lisenses etc if it can be used for other games as well (companies like Blizzard might very well be interested in it and so on).

2010-09-21 14:26

GJ ESL

2010-09-21 14:28

Its great that they are developing new anti-cheats, but sooner or later(probably sooner) someone is going to find a way to bypass it..then they need to improve it or develop a new one..the sad fact is that we cant totally stop people from cheating :(

2010-09-21 14:29

Alah ko memang.

this is an international site please converse in english, not some weird language

2010-09-21 18:48

HAAHHAAHAHHAHAHA

2010-09-22 11:21

if it eliminates cheats, it will be worth it. If it works well, they can sell it to any online league (like EAC do) and make the money back in a flash. Dont get me wrong, EAC is good, but it's nowhere near perfect. And cheats do exist to bypass it already.

2010-09-21 14:33

eat your heart out, organner.

2010-09-21 14:37

sounds awesome

$500.000 ? lol, leys hope organner will finally be screened...

2010-09-21 15:00

OMG

2010-09-21 15:07

very nice move! but i think they should offer a prize money like 1337euro to everyone is able to bybass this AC and tell to esl exactly the technique that he is using.

2010-09-21 15:18

But the cheat developers make more than 1337 euros selling their cheat..

2010-09-21 16:19

i dont think so because when a cheat is published or similar sofware it spreads everywhere for free and also the developer risks his cheat to be useless when an update comes. so believe me he is gonna take the warm 1337euro Even world leading software companies, offers about this amount of money prize and totally works

2010-09-21 16:31

You have to pay for it, i'm pretty sure you need a login or something similar so that distributing the cheat to your friends won't work for them, the cheat developers are not stupid.. so yes, they do make more money than 1337 euros.

2010-09-21 16:34

problem there is that they'll use a different way to bypass it using the same design :p

2010-09-24 03:09

500.000 = 500 500000.000 = 500k either it's a mistype on their behalf or it's simply 500 euro.

2010-09-21 15:21

Are you an investment banker?

2010-09-21 15:50

Yes

hahahahahahaha fail

2010-09-21 18:55

It's supposed to be 500,000.

2010-09-21 17:09

Nothing new here, they money spent doens't impress me since i saw this twitter.com/ESL_/status/24574469408 I just hope that this will shut up the haters.

2010-09-21 15:44

Why don't they use EAC?

2010-09-21 15:58

Because it has to work within the ESL system and also because it will maybe cover all the games.

2010-09-21 16:14

because you can still cheat on EAC..

2010-09-21 16:18

you CAN but you most likely wont find any cheat for it.

2010-09-21 16:24

you can find EAC cheats pretty easily, you just have to pay for them, same with the current aequitas. While this is the case, some people are going to try and cheat in these big online competitions, happened against us last season. Hopefully this new anti-cheat will be a big improvement and actually work :)

2010-09-21 16:28

where? never heard of it, im not gonna cheat im just curious :)

2010-09-21 21:49

don't want to link here but if you google it you can find them pretty easily

2010-09-21 23:44

could you pm me with link? cuz i checked and i really cant find anything, are you sure there are any?

2010-09-22 10:30

There are cheats for every anti-cheat system out there, and there always will be.

2010-09-21 16:42

Exactly, so no point in changing from aequitas to EAC.. however, if they have really spent over 500k on this new anti-cheat, perhaps it will remain secure, at least for a long time, otherwise ESL have wasted a LOT of money.

2010-09-21 16:48

Let me just say this once, overruling a driver anti-cheat that works in ring0 is like hacking into pentagon.

2010-09-22 08:09

ALLELUIA, but 500k is to expensive.

hAHAHAHa money thrown away!! Programers take a little time to make private cheats to it.

2010-09-21 16:35

Guys, does VAC work good today?

2010-09-21 16:40

yeah completly awsm. never saw a better prog :D

2010-09-21 16:45

not, cheats are always one step further.

2010-09-21 16:46

takes months to build an anti-cheat, and days to build the cheat for it.. and hopefuly this isnt another "FPS eater" AC, because i really hate those anti cheats that get the computer slow and get our FPS from 100 to 60 and only take screenshots and force 32bit color... just saying..

hahaha, are u kidding me ? 500k € ? nice joke ;]

agree with you ... its too expensive i dont believe in this

2010-09-21 17:02

ESL shouldn't work on it and all that 500000€ should go to LAN prizes for IEM V and VI. 100.000€ for top1 in cs :>

2010-09-21 16:56

well care about the 500k and for cheaters.. will this ac be better and not lagg our pc's out now?

Sounds good. Let's wait and see...

2010-09-21 17:01

#### But the cheat developers make more than 1337 euros selling their cheat.. haha :))

2010-09-21 17:12

haha 500,000 euro thats just ridiculous claim.

Hey I think you meant priCe tag =/.

2010-09-21 17:20

Once they make it available I presume people will know if it helps or not. Helps with regard to cheats detection that is because people using them are actually the real problem.

2010-09-21 17:37

there you go! or the game is! They just didn`t think about AC back at the dev. stage of 1.6

2010-09-24 03:07

Cheats have always been there. Remember those cheat codes for the old games? That is why I said that more than on the cheats it depends on the people deciding to use them, which on a multiplayer scale is pretty much more harmful than on the singleplayer (which is where those "oldschool" cheats were able to be used) one.

2010-09-24 19:52

true, but look at newer multiplayer games! Look at console games. Halo doesn't have much issues with the cheaters and online leagues!!! The point of having a PC is that it's content is open to the owner and if the game developpers don't plan their stuff accordingly, then it's REALLY hard for anyone else to come up with a good AC. For sure the players are to be blame, but it's the same with sports and drugs. An endless problem starts as soon as 1 does it w/o having the equivalent consequences tagging him as a "cheater"

2010-09-24 22:06

Of course, but as you stated it in your last sentence in the end it is the player who decides not the cheat(s). And as soon as the console is open to user interaction (which is not due to the fact that that way it is easier to get customers money) the same problem would arise. Not to mention all the hipocresy about 'fair play' stuff around some sports and as soon as possible, f.e. in football, you think you are assisting a swimming competition at the opponent's penalty area. As usual, the human nature is to blame ;)

2010-09-24 22:18

<33333 great new! :D off: when I grow up I wanna be a developer anticheat $_$

2010-09-21 17:43

FINALLY! :) Awesome. Hope it works good

2010-09-21 18:07

huh, very nice :)

2010-09-21 18:11

Good job !

2010-09-21 18:35

Great News, i hope that it works well :)

2010-09-21 18:40

nice news, but i've a question about that : "The new anti-cheat solution is a real computer driver (software used to interface a particular hardware device with an operating system), operating on the Ring 0 level." if it's a driver, then he's always up. and i would to know, if i use x-spectate, am i automatically banned from esl? thank you

2010-09-21 18:51

cheats are still not forbidden, as long as you don't use em in esl matches

2010-09-21 19:10

ok thank you.

2010-09-21 19:24

€500.000 ajahahhaahha fail

made by Otacon from Metal Gear Solid !

2010-09-21 19:20

I can already imagine khrystal saying ESL - Wire 100 % noob sotware

2010-09-21 19:30

500k? nice joke btw. still organner > esl

2010-09-21 19:34

ESL = wise!

2010-09-21 19:40

Organner hacks subscription has been cancelled. :DD xD

2010-09-21 20:15

Shit, this program costed a lost. Like I said in the ESL site, they better make this far better than the previous, which couldn't work in most systems properly and made ever hi-end computers lag.

2010-09-21 20:45

hope it works ! ESL is a joke atm =P germans are going all out...

2010-09-21 20:57

great news, aequitas really sucks

2010-09-21 21:10

Hahaha khrystal did a great job :P

2010-09-21 21:12

wtf 500 000 eur?

2010-09-21 21:15

200k was spend and the rest is a keepers choice for being such a good worker

2010-09-21 21:34

That's alot of money i hope i works :D

Aequitas 2.0?

2010-09-21 22:49

Close to two months ago, the Aequitas 2 plans were officially canceled[...]

2010-09-21 23:40

2010-09-22 01:54

lets feed africa? no, let's spend 500 000 € on a useless software

2010-09-22 02:26

wikipedia lies

2010-09-22 02:30

About time.

2010-09-22 04:33

Swedish whiners will be happy.

2010-09-22 08:40

Some interesting posts, so i give my comments from another side of line: The development behind the new anti-cheat tool has a stunning price tag of more than €500,000, =>For normal professional software cycle process 500k is not much. AC - 500k Organner - 20$ ESL Admins faces - priceless => Well it will cost lot more than 20$ to develop professional cheat, but also it takes lot of time. Of course if cheats would be done also by normal software process it would also cost 10-100k+ how old is the ring0 cheat? =>For CS and known one the "immunity" is about 2 years. there are newer cheat packs out there immunity and a lot more unkown private hacks wich will be updated any month. => These unknown private hacks are probably not worry of any AC's (bunch of users of all players). Of course these private hacks are hard to detect (without AC them getting actual hack, ..very hard). For AC's, i would assume they consider Organner biggest threat since basically he own's most of "CS cheat development market" and very well known as even this thread shows. Others similars are quite big joke (lot promises to bypass all AC's, but nothing happening and failing even bypass vac). Because the new software is a real driver, it will work outside ESL matches, => So basically AC can monitor your activity all-the-time, taking SS from your desktop so when you are not playing, so watch out guys if you are watching xxx-material and it gets posted on ESL screenshots server :) 15 years after the first anti-virus there still isn't a proper anti-virus program. => There is, but cat & mouse game continues always.

2010-09-22 10:00

weLL :)

2010-09-22 09:54

500k of course, esl need clean the black money of the premiums?

2010-09-22 10:38

w0w

2010-09-22 16:20

I hope this stops cheating permanently. All we need next is for ESL to make a free league in North America then we can finally get back to playing competitive CS and get rid of the plague that is ESEA.

2010-09-22 19:25

thats true ESEA client is beyond broken and laggy

2010-09-23 19:32

the esea client is doing a much better job than any other client to catch cheaters though! Too bad it`s slow to react when they do catch one!

2010-09-24 03:11

sxe injected must be a choise.

2010-09-23 20:52

having a ring0 app looking for ring0 meant to obfuscate anything using ring0 to detect it won`t change much. Posting this b4 it`s even out is probably only making it harder for them to stay cheat proof for 2 weeks once it`s out! In the end it will be a matter of wich one is getting loaded first and the cheater will always have the option to remove AC, hide their cheats deeper, re-install AC. I call that MBR cheats to be common within a year anyway, hell it could even be included in a cracked OS to look like it was legit. Will ACs declare war to OS crackin ... I doubt it Plus, german cheat devs have insiders in ESL anyway (not saying they have leaks from the AC team but at some point it will happen or get reverse engd.

2010-09-24 03:06

First, It's not an 'app' It's a real time driver, good luck remaking it to be a fake one. And 2 weeks? Look at orgranner still no EAC cheat, I wonder how hes gonna 'bypass' this one.

2010-09-24 08:26

or you are wrong since EAC is bypassed ?!? and it's still an APP simulating a real-time driver. I don't think it's an approved driver wich means it's still not a real driver :p THAT SAID, I'm not even sure it's legal in most countries if they get illegitimate access to ring0

2010-09-24 21:52

"legal" You accept the EULA once you press "I accept" to install etc. So in that case you lost, and yes it is a real-time driver, not some fancy APP. It's even approved.

2010-09-24 23:48