mTw release Counter-Strike team

2-11-2011 13:13

The German organization mTw has announced the release of their Danish Counter-Strike division.

It has been looming for quite some time now, that the end of the Danish flagship mTw was to come to an end. First, with the retirement of Alexander "ave" Holdt, then with the unsuccessful attempt to find a new fifth and going into the IEM6 Global Challenge New York, seeing Danny "zonic" Sørensen tweet: "It all ends in New York".

Today, the German organization announced via their website, that the Danish team has been released. The Danish team has since mid-December 2007 represented the German organization, following a merger with NoA.

As any other team, the Danes had their ups and downs, but will be remembered for their dominant 2008 year, as well as a solid team to reach the podium and in most recent times as the eternal runners-up. The last tournament under the mTw tag was the IEM6 Global Challenge New York, where the Danes managed a third place finish.

The Danish mTw squad is no more

In an interview published on mTw's website, Danny "zonic" Sørensen states that he doesn't see himself playing anything but Counter-Strike 1.6 and currently have no offers from teams lined up. About his retirement, Sørensen states:

"When I first wrote it, I actually decided to retire alongside ave, but I have had the time to think and I don't really think I'm done yet."

mTw had the following lineup:

Alexander "ave" Holdt
Danny "zonic" Sørensen
Martin "trace" Heldt
Timm "ArcadioN" Henriksen
Oliver "minet" Minet

A fact is that the only player retired is Alexander "ave" Holdt, whether we will see more players call it quits is at this time not known.

no! :(

2011-11-02 13:14

17 replies

yeah man, one of the worst news I've ever read on HLTV.org good luck guys, I hope u find a new home soon.

2011-11-02 17:29

+1 :(

2011-11-02 19:41

finally the guys from mTw.css gonna have even more pay check . css ftw rip 1.6 (inb4 flamewar!)

2011-11-02 20:16

5 replies

2011-11-02 22:54

kowualla rip

2011-11-03 14:02

go back to cadred, seems funny how an 11 year old game still makes more money than css.... i wonder why

2011-11-04 23:44

1 reply

I wonder how I wonder why Yesterday you told me 'bout the blue blue sky And all that I can see is just a yellow lemon-tree I'm turning my head up and down I'm turning turning turning turning turning around And all that I can see is just another lemon-tree

2011-11-05 01:06

lololol

2011-11-17 14:37

mortal Team work | NEO

2011-11-02 20:17

All good things must come to an end.

2011-11-02 20:18

6 replies

how come you're not playing in that mix with moddii and the guys?

2011-11-02 20:31

Every end is a new beginning. When a door closes, there's always an open window. Stay positive and GL

2011-11-02 22:05

fake trace if i'm not mistaken :)

2011-11-02 22:56

No - i dont like end - make new team martin

2011-11-02 22:57

sup Mario?

2011-11-03 02:27

true:)

2012-05-18 00:54

778

2011-11-03 20:56

RIP

2011-11-02 13:15

1 reply

well not really... they are probably gonna form a new squad under a different name...

2011-11-02 16:12

sad day :(

2011-11-02 13:15

sad..

2011-11-02 13:15

1 reply

sad because stays only 3 teams AGAiN - SK - Na`Vi

2011-11-02 16:40

sad!

2011-11-02 13:15

sad story

2011-11-02 13:15

NICE!

2011-11-02 13:15

24 replies

How is that nice? Even if you dont like them Its always sad to see a counter strike team being released and Im not even talking about top teams. Thats just 1.6 going down more and more. Fucking sad.

2011-11-02 13:22

16 replies

u r totally right man

2011-11-02 13:35

maybe mTw will pick up AGAiN

2011-11-02 14:09

6 replies

+ 1

2011-11-02 14:24

thet fckign deserve it!

2011-11-02 15:02

no they wont. read the news on the mymtw.com website

2011-11-02 15:20

1 reply

you can say it:p

2011-11-02 17:22

are you fucking stupid? why would they release this squad to pick up ex-FX. Turn your brain on.

2011-11-02 16:47

1 reply

i just hope this ;[

2011-11-02 16:48

agree ,... fuck that idiot !

2011-11-02 14:33

+8686

2011-11-02 15:41

Agree bigtime. mTw has been one of the best teams since 06 and has had an major impact on the scene, just hope the players find another team.

2011-11-02 15:53

1 reply

+1 .. it wouldent make any sence if other teams couldent see the posibility in this ..

2011-11-02 16:15

I think this is nice, of course they will lose mTw's support (it wasn't that nice lately), but it seems that zonic will not retire from gaming, thats worth.

2011-11-02 21:09

3 replies

Well yeah, he wont for now. But dont you think that things like that make players think about retirement? And I dont think that anyone of us wants to see a top player retire

2011-11-02 23:38

2 replies

Yeah, this is a job for them, if they don't get any money, they will think in quit the game. But what I mean is that mTw aren't what they were in the past, when all mTw players left their studies to focus in their gaming careers, now they couldn't even send their team to some events...

2011-11-03 01:27

1 reply

I think the next move is really important for them. If they do get picked up by a nice org they might be motivated to continue their gaming careers and be on top once again. If they dont... Well that sucks.

2011-11-03 11:54

SOURCE FANBOY

2011-11-02 13:42

5 replies

NO, SIMS 3 <3

2011-11-02 13:44

3 replies

FAG GAY IS FAG

2011-11-02 15:01

hahaha :D

2011-11-02 15:36

:)))

2011-11-02 16:46

League Of Legends broo

2011-11-02 21:45

again someone retarded on hltv

2011-11-02 14:39

sad :(

2011-11-02 13:16

sad news :(

2011-11-02 13:16

Finally.

2011-11-02 13:16

OH MY GOD :((

2011-11-02 13:16

WTF

2011-11-02 13:16

1 reply

MTW

2011-11-02 13:35

WHAT?!?! NOOOO!!!! trace :(

2011-11-02 13:16

My life has no purpose, no direction and no point....

2011-11-02 13:16

13 replies

lol fanboy~

2011-11-02 13:17

1 reply

he is sarcastic dumbass

2011-11-02 17:38

+1 :'(

2011-11-02 13:33

when u cut ur veins on ur ass, pls make a piture and install it to this topic *_*

2011-11-02 13:41

6 replies

install it?

2011-11-02 15:30

5 replies

jiz inglizh skillzz arent dat goudddddd

2011-11-02 19:16

1 reply

i no, iz veri gud :D

2011-11-02 21:46

read the dictionary meanings of the word "instal" pf

2011-11-02 22:25

2 replies

in·stall verb (used with object) 1. to place in position or connect for service or use: to install a heating system; to install software on a computer. 2. to establish in an office, position, or place: to install oneself in new quarters. 3. to induct into an office or the like with ceremonies or formalities.

2011-11-02 22:38

1 reply

1. to place in position No offense but nice try. It may not be the best vocabulary selection, however it is by no means is an incorrect selection.

2011-11-02 23:37

hahahaha :D

2011-11-02 13:43

YHUSAHUASUHASHUAS

2011-11-02 14:10

I understand your pain, let's suicide together.

2011-11-02 15:29

sad..

2011-11-02 13:17

Really sad, I've always liked these guys since the NoA-era :/

2011-11-02 13:17

1 reply

Yup..

2011-11-02 19:30

...that`s sad

2011-11-02 13:17

two top teams does not have sponsors :(

2011-11-02 13:17

bawww Manly tears and all that shit

2011-11-02 13:17

no ;( the same bad things happen on stage counter strike

2011-11-02 13:17

next week trace joins fnatic

2011-11-02 13:18

20 replies

realy ?

2011-11-02 13:18

8 replies

50\50 minet arcadion goes to Anexis zonic retire and trace to fnatic

2011-11-02 13:20

7 replies

hm..hope so, tnx 4 info

2011-11-02 13:22

3 replies

he has no idea what hes talking aout lol, dont thank him for anything

2011-11-02 13:39

He's a troll..

2011-11-02 16:56

There's no way Trace joins fnatic. They'll get a 5th and find another org most likely :)

2011-11-02 18:52

no AGAiN to mtw ex-mtw to FX

2011-11-02 13:57

Zonic doesn't retire...just read the fkin news.

2011-11-02 15:31

troll..

2011-11-02 16:55

haha

2011-11-02 13:20

1 reply

omg its very impossible that fnatic joins on the mTw players sry for my english

2011-11-02 13:24

vanga?

2011-11-02 13:41

fnatic sucks

2011-11-02 13:45

Trace together with friis ? that is impossible, but it would be amazing fnaticMSi Trace

2011-11-02 15:50

6 replies

friis? -pita =DDD!

2011-11-02 18:45

4 replies

-Gux pita playing amazing

2011-11-03 12:47

3 replies

-gux? u nuts?

2011-11-03 14:32

2 replies

pita playing awesome ;) Gux no :/. cArn xizt trace pita friis +1

2011-11-04 00:44

1 reply

again.... u nuts?

2011-11-04 19:15

why impossible? if i remember well they played together long time ago..

2011-11-05 03:33

OMFG..saaaad :(

2011-11-02 13:18

sad <3 trace

2011-11-02 13:18

maybe mTw can make a polish division, and sponsor AGAiN... and then Anexis were looking for an awper, so i'm guessing things will get interesting...let's see!

2011-11-02 13:19

1 reply

anexis have an awp.. nuggi its NOT a awper they are looking for

2011-11-02 19:42

One of the days that cs scene has never wanted to see. Cs isn't the same as it was in 2008/9/10.. we just can hope that some guys new, refreshing would give a little life in this fucking unbelievable game, to make cs scene breath and be full of life as it was in past few years or so. Wish u the best guys from mTw, you've always been my favorites and ill always remember and miss you. BB

2011-11-02 13:19

mTw NEO[t] ? :P

2011-11-02 13:20

2 replies

have u read the topic attentivly?

2011-11-02 13:42

Blind or what ?

2011-11-02 15:51

Sad.

2011-11-02 13:20

mTw had the following lineup: Alexander "ave" Holdt Danny "zonic" Sørensen Martin "trace" Heldt Timm "ArcadioN" Henriksen Oliver "minet" Minet Marc "Nix0n" Winther Kristensen :D

2011-11-02 13:20

2 replies

mTw currently lineup: Marc "Nix0n" Winther Kristensen

2011-11-02 13:27

1 reply

One Man Army

2011-11-02 14:03

What Are You talking About :(

2011-11-02 13:21

RIP youtube.com/watch?v=GvbQzRAi4wM

2011-11-02 13:21

1 reply

I don't really see the link...

2011-11-02 15:37

omg, sad :/

2011-11-02 13:22

...... this is a sad news ......

2011-11-02 13:22

Bad for cs1.6 D: that's not cool

2011-11-02 13:23

expected for mTw .. really..

2011-11-02 13:23

HAHAHHAHAHAHHA @_@

2011-11-02 13:23

1 reply

What is so funny ? Fagy

2011-11-02 15:52

Sad for cs.

2011-11-02 13:23

mTw NEO mTw TaZ mTw pasha mTw Loord mTw kuben

2011-11-02 13:24

3 replies

read attentively....

2011-11-02 13:42

maby

2011-11-02 13:53

1 reply

maybe*

2011-11-02 21:46

End of an era. Such a legendary team. Tragicand slightly depressing.

2011-11-02 13:25

mTw no never cs squad!!

2011-11-02 13:25

2011-11-02 13:26

:((((((( no eternal runner-up anymore ...sad

2011-11-02 13:26

1 reply

2011-11-02 15:30

X-(

2011-11-02 13:26

everybody knows folks everything that have a start have an end. mTw and FX realeased teams, fnatic is "fucked up"... The end of the professional 1.6 is not far :/

2011-11-02 13:26

5 replies

Totaly true !

2011-11-02 15:43

yeap u right

2011-11-02 16:02

LOL who cares? there will be some other CS title!

2011-11-02 16:49

2 replies

hoping for Promod, but since the graphics aren't that good for the modern gaming...

2011-11-03 12:34

1 reply

im hoping for promod to.

2011-11-03 12:43

this might be fnatic's chance to "complete" their roster : friis gux trace zonic carn

2011-11-02 13:27

7 replies

zonic dont retire?

2011-11-02 13:28

1 reply

No he didn't retire.

2011-11-02 15:05

thought, friis left mTw because of trace?

2011-11-02 13:34

4 replies

no because fnatic give him more money

2011-11-02 13:39

It's a rumor yes, it's probably true. But don't listen the guy above me he can't even read a news.

2011-11-02 15:40

gossip...

2011-11-02 16:49

he left because of the salary AND the uncertainty about mTw organisation's support in 2012 which lead to low motivation from zonic, arcadion, minet and trace. good move by him :)

2011-11-02 17:31

It's the life

2011-11-02 13:27

fnaticMSI cArn fnaticMSI Gux fnaticMSI zonic fnaticMSI Friis fnaticMSI trace FTWWW!

2011-11-02 13:27

17 replies

-xizt? u crazy brah?

2011-11-02 13:31

6 replies

why not bad threat zonic trace friis gux

2011-11-02 13:33

xizt is so overrated

2011-11-02 13:41

3 replies

yes, thats right. so many said he is so good. he had one good tournament and after that only bad performances !!:)

2011-11-02 14:28

1 reply

2011-11-02 21:47

2011-11-02 15:10

trace is 2 or 3 times better than Xizt so did zonic

2011-11-02 17:39

lol>? zonic said he'd retire after New York

2011-11-02 13:43

3 replies

read the iview...

2011-11-02 13:45

you advised several people to read the article, although not read itself? omg kosya, why you still so dumb?

2011-11-02 14:56

1 reply

coll story bro read attentively!

2011-11-02 22:24

-carn +zonic and we can hope to see fnatic do some damage :)

2011-11-02 14:39

1 reply

Lol then it would be 2 zonic!! xD

2011-11-02 16:23

- Xizt ? are u kidding me ? Xizt is probably one the best aimers in the hole world, is young, and only it is improving day by day...

2011-11-02 16:00

3 replies

r u fucking kidding me? xizt is the most overrated and unstable player atm.open your eyes please

2011-11-02 21:43

2 replies

is ur opinion dude, but the reality is than Xizt is insane at this game.

2011-11-02 23:02

1 reply

it isnt opinion...its fact.check his stats.just average.1 game he is amazing,1 game plays like me.i dont say that he is bad but he is unstable as hell and for me overrated aswell

2011-11-03 11:18

very sad :/

2011-11-02 13:28

It has been a joy traveling and experience the world with mTw since 2008, something I truly will never forget. Playing with them in New York, has to be one of the most surreal things for me, having stood behind the team for years and all of a sudden I was there, in the seat playing. I hope it won't be the last we've seen from these guys, yet I fear it.

2011-11-02 13:29

8 replies

ex-mTw -ave +Nix0n

2011-11-02 13:33

hey u still have this website and this community so don't get upset to much

2011-11-02 13:35

you played and they released their team !!!! what can we say ??stay where you are man for the sake of CS 1.6... please, beggin ya !! LOL xD

2011-11-02 14:26

Consider this experience as a last gift.

2011-11-02 15:42

Dont give up bro!! Look at AGAiN they left FX but they play on there own now..!! All that we all fans can say that DONT GIVE UP PLzzzzz..!! Like AGAiN mTw too should try to play on there own..!! Sry for bad english.

2011-11-02 16:28

1 reply

2011-11-02 21:49

Its HLTV.org's chance to create a strong team under the HLTV tag :)

2011-11-02 21:58

Yeah... one thing is the possibilities to build a new team. ...another is the continued enthusiasm, since it may be too big a project to level with what was before.

2011-11-03 11:24

sad

2011-11-02 13:30

OMG so freaking good memories with this team, I really feel sad now :/

2011-11-02 13:31

I'd like to see renewed squad, maybe changing igl might be right decision? Anyways, looking forward to see at least zonic, trace, minet playing together on big lan soon.

2011-11-02 13:31

LOL

2011-11-02 13:32

oh no :(

2011-11-02 13:33

myb now fnatic will have a chance to finnish somewhere in the top3, but i doubt it.

2011-11-02 13:33

mTw zonic mTw ave mTw Sunde mTw Whimp mTw MJE 2008 THE BEAST!

2011-11-02 13:34

5 replies

MTW SCOUTS VS SK GRAND FINNAL BEST CS MOMENT :))

2011-11-02 15:16

4 replies

YEAH! i see this moment :D

2011-11-02 15:24

3 replies

it was sundes double yeah on 5 train?? :D

2011-11-03 09:58

2 replies

zonic :D

2011-11-04 03:52

1 reply

yeah sorry my mistake :D amazing shot! :D

2011-11-04 21:54

mTw.pl g0g0g0g0 !!

2011-11-02 13:34

WHYYYYY?!?!?!?!? D: D:

2011-11-02 13:34

sad

2011-11-02 13:34

nooo

2011-11-02 13:34

sad news! gl to the players!

2011-11-02 13:35

perfect line up !.. but don't split up ! :@

2011-11-02 13:36

Fnatic cArn Gux Xizt Friis trace Anexis + acadion ESC + minet or ESC moddii pronax barbarr trace minet

2011-11-02 13:36

1 reply

esc lu is really good.but what about zonic?he still has a lot to give imo..

2011-11-02 13:40

I think fnatic will pick up zonic and trace, and mTw pick up AGAiN.

2011-11-02 13:37

5 replies

no cs squad for mtw bro

2011-11-02 13:39

4 replies

How do you know ? I'm too lazy to find it in the interview/article

2011-11-02 13:40

3 replies

i understand that in this way someone correct me if i'm wrong.

2011-11-02 13:43

2 replies

Down fall of cs1.6: Fx to AGAiN ESWC prizes Now mTw releases cs scene..!! SAD FOR CS1.6 :(

2011-11-02 16:33

1 reply

cry

2011-11-02 21:50

wtf.. everything is f*cked up this week -.- So much bad things for 3 days..

2011-11-02 13:38

so sad, this lineup deserved at least one major title :(

2011-11-02 13:38

9 replies

2011-11-02 16:35

no they dont lol minet and arcadion arent good enough

2011-11-02 16:51

7 replies

-1

2011-11-02 19:00

minet is sick... And ArcadioN is doing his job as an IGL. STFU :)

2011-11-02 23:59

5 replies

LOL

2011-11-03 00:17

1 reply

LAWL

2011-11-03 13:06

LOL

2011-11-03 01:20

2 replies

LAWL

2011-11-03 13:06

1 reply

LAWLESS

2011-11-03 18:26

2008 for ever..... sad for mTw x/

2011-11-02 13:38

so bad news :{

2011-11-02 13:38

OMG:( WTF? SO SAD! GL GUYS IN LIFE

2011-11-02 13:38

i shed manly tears

2011-11-02 13:39

Really sad to see them go, I actually loved them most with MJE and whimp on board but even after their retirements they were great team.

2011-11-02 13:39

really sad , mtw was one of the teams that never had troubles,excpected to be there like forever,but everything ends,and who knows,the players,and the orga(mtw) might both do some briliant starts...hope the best for you guys,cu

2011-11-02 13:39

gg Denmark

2011-11-02 13:40

bad

2011-11-02 13:40

threat zonic trace main awper gux Xizt or carn gux xizt Friis trace

2011-11-02 13:41

sad to see top players being released after years of dedication and loyalty....good luck guys

2011-11-02 13:41

common Lions.. -threat + trace :DD

2011-11-02 13:42

Im very sorry to say it, but i really think this is the end for danish counter-strike. I know we got anexis and now some clanless mtw players as well, but i dont think its realistic for Denmark to get a top 5 team again. Sad day :(

2011-11-02 13:42

1 reply

If all or most of the mTw players quit, I guess you'll end up like Norway did when almost a whole generation of top players quit at the same time. You'll have a top placing team from time to time, but eventually it will turn into nostalgicalism. Let's hope it will turn out better though. :)

2011-11-02 13:50

mTw Neo mTw TaZ mTw kuben mTw pasha mTw loord

2011-11-02 13:43

1 reply

are you stupid?

2011-11-02 15:10

bb =(

2011-11-02 13:43

n1 for danemark ;)

2011-11-02 13:43

sad:(

2011-11-02 13:43

sad news =\

2011-11-02 13:43

No! We can't lose them... Now it's just AGAIN, SK and Navi on clear top. They need to form new team without Ave and Zonic if they wants to retire.

2011-11-02 13:43

1 reply

I'd say mouz is up there as well now.

2011-11-02 13:51

new line-up for mTw - NEO, TaZ, pasha, Loord and kuben Welcome Poland :D

2011-11-02 13:44

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

2011-11-02 13:44

[*] sad news

2011-11-02 13:44

This is a sad moment for the CS scene in my opinion, but it won't be so sad if zonic & co. will join new teams. I'm pretty sure that some of them will retire and the others split to different teams. I hope that Denmark will be able to mount a new top team.

2011-11-02 13:44

R.I.P. CS 1.6

2011-11-02 13:44

ESC:pronax,moddii,barbarr,trace,minet anexis +zonic or they will stay together and they will find 5th player i rly dont know,why a lot of people write fnatic+trace.i rly dont think that this is possible

2011-11-02 13:44

13 replies

why trace to fnatic its not impossible?

2011-11-02 13:46

12 replies

1.fnatic isnt top team anymore.why he want to join them? if ex-mtw will stay together and will find 5th player they will be better than fnatic and he will play with friends 2.friis is in fnatic...and they dont like each other.so i rly think that fnatic+trace not gonna happen

2011-11-02 13:48

5 replies

omg fnatic TOP team fnatic now better than lion ESC winfakt mouz and when you dont have ORG and you need money you forget about conflict

2011-11-02 13:54

4 replies

:DD yes they are better and thats reason why they finished in groups at eswc and mouse was 3rd.stop write nonsense pls.they arent in top5 anymore

2011-11-02 13:58

2 replies

OK, stop talking shit, if you think winfakt lions and esc >>> fnatic, you need to die. And mouse lost iem Guangzhou for them.

2011-11-02 15:43

1 reply

pls read my posts again.i didnt write that xxx > fnatic....i just reacted that fnatic is top team and fnatic > mous,winfakt etc.mous and winfact has better results than fnatic and fnatic isnt top5 atm and thats fact if u like it or not.i like fnatic my friend but facts are facts if u dont like it or not...and stop with insulting me.you can argue but if only 1 argument is insulting people,you are retarded

2011-11-02 21:22

fnatic TOP team? They're not even in top5.

2011-11-02 19:07

dude who is trace going to replace in fnatic then ?

2011-11-02 13:50

5 replies

- pita

2011-11-02 13:58

4 replies

yes -their best player atm...rly clever

2011-11-02 14:01

2 replies

yeah ofc best player versus low teams and pita have bad aim

2011-11-02 16:56

1 reply

u rly that stupid or you just pretend it? look at stats.pita is fnatics best player like 3 tournament in a row.please shut the fuck up and delete your hltv acc.thanks.xizt is the most overrated and the most unstable player,open your eyes please u r clearly fnatics fanboy but u dont know a shit about them.srsly stop posting nonsenses.its wasting time arguing with stupid fanboy so yes...u r right in everything.we will see

2011-11-02 21:49

dont think so :S maybe -cArn

2011-11-02 14:01

GO FUCKING BAD DAMN SHIT IS HAPPENING

2011-11-02 13:44

1 reply

hahaha

2011-11-02 15:16

FrageXecutors ave FrageXecutors trace FrageXecutors zonic FrageXecutors minet FrageXecutors ArcadioN TROLLING :)

2011-11-02 13:47

1 reply

2011-11-02 13:50

2011-11-02 13:46

1 reply

2011-11-03 01:20

DENMARK can have a team in clear top 4 have a lot players talented we have to wait 4 new neews;)

2011-11-02 13:46

a really, really sad day... makes "1.6 is dying" look a lot more real.

2011-11-02 13:47

1 reply

:o account more

2011-11-02 15:32

:((((((((((( NOA<>

2011-11-02 13:47

good for other best teams, bad for fans

2011-11-02 13:48

1 reply

its not good for the other best teams as well,because they begin to see what is going on,first the poles,now the danes...

2011-11-02 13:55

sad

2011-11-02 13:50

:'(

2011-11-02 13:50

again to mtw :D

2011-11-02 13:50

sad;x now -pita +trace!

2011-11-02 13:52

NoA is back!

2011-11-02 13:52

=( team future

2011-11-02 13:53

If zonic keeps playing I'm okay with it, I hope they (minet, trace and zonic) get 2 nice players and get the mTw orga again. cuz I cant avoid to remember the many tragic rounds arcadion has lost since he joined mTw, they couldve won so many big tournaments.. I hope they can rearrange everything and start again. GL zonic and co.

2011-11-02 13:53

3 replies

then again you have no idea how many rounds arcions tactics might have won them... stop saying stuff like that when you have no clue what's going on.

2011-11-02 16:31

2 replies

perhaps more rounds than when ave was calling the strats? No? I thought so. arcadion is by far their weakest link, teams like SK and NaVi won games by focusing the side that arcadion covers on every map and that was always a huge disadvantage to mTw. I'd recommend you to follow your own advice.

2011-11-02 17:35

1 reply

you have no clue whether ArcadioN's tacs where much better than what Ave's where... besides you have no clue whether ArcadioN played a role like "spirit-keeper" someone who keeps the spirits up, you have no clue what his role was, just because he in-game frag wise was the weaker link he might very well have had so many other very important roles, you have no clue i have no clue so you cannot put the blame on him.

2011-11-02 19:27

2011-11-02 13:54

I hope they will be back !

2011-11-02 13:55

I can't imagine big events without mTw team. ;/ Very sad news. :(

2011-11-02 13:56

interesting where trace minet and arcadion will go

2011-11-02 13:56

unacceptable i l nvr belive that i watched cs tourny for mTw nly :( :(

2011-11-02 13:56

1 reply

#202 and zonic:D

2011-11-02 13:58

mYm comming soon

2011-11-02 13:57

ESC trace moddii tacky BARBARR pronax Anexis Snappi Nuggi Ze- BERRY zonic

2011-11-02 13:57

very sad news ... :(

2011-11-02 13:58

SAD, gl to all :)

2011-11-02 13:59

let's see what team ca be made to take down sk for the remainder of 1.6.. if fnatic are smart they will make a big annoucement very soon.. can't wait:) huge players on the Market!!

2011-11-02 13:59

3 replies

yeah its will be very nice if fnatic joins trace\\minet\\zonic but carn say that fnatic have strong lineup and dont want change lineup again but i hope that fnatic change lineup carn gux xizt Friis trace but just dream

2011-11-02 14:02

2 replies

-xizt rather than pita

2011-11-02 14:04

if fnatic fails at dreamhack, you can expect some changes in their roster.

2011-11-02 15:26

the best team ever :( sad

2011-11-02 13:59

SAAAAADDDDDDDD :((((( omg, this looks like a funeral, whith ur comments

2011-11-02 14:00

GOOD NEWS :-)

2011-11-02 14:01

oh nix0n, what did you do to the team? u took all the credit as mvp and they got fired! xD btw, trace is free agent now!! fnatic should have picked him! LOL

2011-11-02 14:01

Anexis trace'11

2011-11-02 14:01

nOoOOOoOOOOOOOooOooOOooooOOO

2011-11-02 14:03

anyone remember when carn played with trace and zonic in that Europe vs USA match.. they were all getting along smiling.. maybe the new fnatic has already been made up.. could be a reason they play poorly at eswc.. maybe news inside camp that they know thy already be going.

2011-11-02 14:04

1 reply

I hope not because I dont like top teams to collapse like mTw and ex-FG.

2011-11-02 16:35

Legendary team, sad news :(

2011-11-02 14:05

NICE

2011-11-02 14:05

That is bad for CS 1.6 scene...really sad :/

2011-11-02 14:05

such an amazing team over such a long period of time, sad day for CS !

2011-11-02 14:06

sad...

2011-11-02 14:06

-carn +trace dreams...

2011-11-02 14:06

bad news

2011-11-02 14:06

hope they'll find a new org soon :)

2011-11-02 14:07

youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s&feature=..

2011-11-02 14:07

if zonic dont retire he goes to fnatic too. cArn Gux trace zonic Xizt\\Friis and trace main awper

2011-11-02 14:08

Sad story for an amazing team. mTw | mvk? :o) joke joke ..

2011-11-02 14:08

sad but good ;) go Polish mTw mTw.NEO mTw.pasha mTw.Loord mTw.Kuben mTw.TaZ

2011-11-02 14:08

1 reply

mTw dont have CS squad NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2011-11-02 14:10

wtf :<

2011-11-02 14:10

very sad :(

2011-11-02 14:11

It would be perfect if karrigan joined them but he won´t leave mouz so the only possible thing although it´s not going to happen: Mouz: trace karrigan minet zonic ArcadioN

2011-11-02 14:12

1 reply

There is no need for mousesports to do this. Now team is very very strong, and could compete with all the top

2011-11-02 14:15

so sad. thank you mTw for a great time. and minet is my hero forever.

2011-11-02 14:12

this wasnt unexpected, What im waiting to see is the other players joining new teams, and im sure at some point even the danish will reach the top again. Gl to em all.

2011-11-02 14:12

Sad for the danes, but SO FREAKING AWESOME to see zonic continues! Hope they find a new fifth man, and a new organization! Stick together guys!!

2011-11-02 14:13

but if zonic changed his mind about retiring,why dont they find a fifth and continue in mtw?

2011-11-02 14:15

Anexis trace Anexis snappi Anexis nuggi Anexis ArcadioN Anexis minet

2011-11-02 14:15

4 replies

no zonic no win man

2011-11-03 01:23

3 replies

so -arcadion +zonic

2011-11-03 15:43

2 replies

who can be the IGL?

2011-11-03 18:26

1 reply

zonic could be perfectly

2011-11-03 20:25

stay together and find 5th, and other org. PLEASE

2011-11-02 14:15

NO FUCKING WAY?!?!?! This was sooooo unexpected...Want to thank ave for all the memories it has been a joy watching him play. Hope the remaining 4 players don't split up, although I have a feeling Anexis can become a good team as they have put up decent results these last tournaments. With this information, mTw will pick up the Golden Five for sure, it's just a matter of time. How about.... mTw NEO[t] and...... Frag eXecutors traceFFFF? :DDDD

2011-11-02 14:17

MTW FOREVER

2011-11-02 14:19

this is a sad day for 1.6

2011-11-02 14:19

ArcadioN trace minet zonic KARRiGAN coloN turkizh suraNga Friis

2011-11-02 14:21

1 reply

KARRiGAN never going to leave mousesports

2011-11-02 15:33

oh sh`t

2011-11-02 14:22

sad :(

2011-11-02 14:23

nice

2011-11-02 14:24

1.6 is dead

2011-11-02 14:26

1 reply

for a story? OMG, you really know

2011-11-02 15:34

NO!

2011-11-02 14:30

LOL ex-mTw was very good team and i'm sure that they will find new org soon. BTW i don't think that fnatic will make more changes in the next months.

2011-11-02 14:31

1 reply

finding an organisation is not a problem but finding an organisation that has some serious sponsors that can afford to send them abroad to international events is.

2011-11-02 16:40

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Not mTw :(((

2011-11-02 14:31

old mTW will become the new NoA!

2011-11-02 14:36

baad

2011-11-02 14:36

NOOOOOO D'= :(((((((((((((((((((

2011-11-02 14:36

Awwwwwwww!!!!! Really Sadddddddddd!!!!!!

2011-11-02 14:37

SAD :( News

2011-11-02 14:38

are mTw going to recruit a new squad? Soon only navi, sk and fnatic left

2011-11-02 14:38

WHAT THE ....................... I'm gonna miss mTw :(

2011-11-02 14:38

ETERNO VICE!1!1!1111311!11

2011-11-02 14:39

:(((((((((( SAAAD MTW S2S2

2011-11-02 14:40

sad :(

2011-11-02 14:40

you can understand organisations cutting teams, i mean why pay for 5 people when you can pay for 1 SC2 player in a game which has more viewer ship and support which can get your brand out there just the same way but for less cost.

2011-11-02 14:41

1 reply

+1 Starcraft 2 IS eSports right now and will be for at least the next 5 years. 1.6 is losing sponsorships hardcore. Along with problems involving tournaments not paying out their winners (which is happening more and more frequently) the future is not good for CS. If people refuse to switch to GO, or if Promod isn't competitive ready within the next 6 months, you can kiss goodbye to the best FPS game of all time.

2011-11-02 21:47

mtw pickin up AGAiN would be nice:)

2011-11-02 14:46

bad news

2011-11-02 14:41

wtf?

2011-11-02 14:46

mtw 4ever :'(

2011-11-02 14:47

2011-11-02 14:50

2 replies

2011-11-02 14:57

1 reply

2011-11-02 15:35

zonic trace wazorn arcadion suranga would be pretty much the best possible lineup atm

2011-11-02 14:51

Haven't been so sad since MJE and whimp quited.. <3 zonic A truly legend, who deserves a lot more credit! Playing at the top for so many years, is truly amazing. Imo you can compare Neo and zonic. Two legends. Two hearts and two big personalities!

2011-11-02 14:54

3 replies

+1 and trace too. for me trace and mTw > universe :(

2011-11-02 18:41

2 replies

trace is an amazing player, no doubt! One of the best. But you can't compare trace and zonic atm. If trace finds a new team and make some thing big - you can, but right now you have to think about that zonic have been playing on the top level for so many years!

2011-11-02 20:50

1 reply

yeah.they should be in the same team even if players of mTw split.

2011-11-03 07:47

Wondering if ex-mTw will gonna search for 1 player to fill in ave's shoes, or they gonna split. Anexis currently is searching for 1 player. Maybe they'll gonna cut someone and bring 2 players from ex-mTw. Time will tell.

2011-11-02 14:54

Arcadion ruined that team T____T

2011-11-02 14:55

15 replies

based on what? you have no clue what was going on in the team, he might as well been the thing that made them stick together for as long, so don't talk shit about arcaion when you don't know anything about it.

2011-11-02 16:36

14 replies

So what if they stay together? they released the whole mTw squad based on poor results

2011-11-02 19:01

13 replies

where do you read that? besides i doubt any org. will release a team that consistently places top 3 due to bad results.

2011-11-02 19:29

12 replies

Once you're on top you cant go down, none wants that, and also, you are bigger to ask for better sponsor deals, and if you cant keep being number 1, sponsors wont be satisfied, and yeah perhaps they were always top 3, but when were they top 1? what events did they win in the past 2010-2011

2011-11-02 19:32

11 replies

if that was the case why didn't they release them in 2009 when they were doing very poorly?

2011-11-02 20:07

10 replies

Hopes? opportunities? come on...

2011-11-02 20:18

9 replies

how about 2010 then? anyways it says nowhere that they were released, so there is no backing in what you say.

2011-11-02 21:26

8 replies

mTw release Counter-Strike team The German organization mTw has announced the release of their Danish Counter-Strike division. Today, the German organization announced via their website, that the Danish team has been released.

2011-11-02 21:30

7 replies

oh my mistake, obviously ment that it didn't say anywhere why they were released.

2011-11-02 21:43

6 replies

Well if a whole squad is released it must be for unexpected results, am I right?

2011-11-02 21:52

5 replies

Not necesarilly i have heard rumors that mTw was in a bit of a financial crisis or it could be the problem they had with finding a fifth player instead of Ave, it doesn't have to be because of disappointing results. On the danish news site Xplayn.com there is talk about Zonic talking a manager role instead of playing that could have some to do with it.

2011-11-02 23:24

4 replies

Thats what they said about sunde

2011-11-03 00:02

1 reply

point is there's nothing but speculations, and when it's only speculations it is not fair to blame anybody.

2011-11-03 19:28

your team failed now they are gone get a life shut the fk up

2011-11-03 05:46

1 reply

come on you can do better than that.

2011-11-03 19:29

saddest news.mTw was the best team in the history of cs.and i would have to say that cs is died now. m quitting cs :(

2011-11-02 14:56

7 replies

bb ok

2011-11-02 14:58

bye

2011-11-02 14:59

quit ? hell not , you still have NEO , f0rp and markeloff . and those ex-mtw player not retired yet ? are you follow the org or their team ?? donn't be foolish ok?

2011-11-02 16:04

3 replies

but it wont be the same after mTw leaves the cs scene.ofc i want the players of mTw to continue playing,but they will not have the same impression as they had in mTw :(

2011-11-02 16:35

2 replies

talking about impressions, NoA is far more legendary than mTw for me :)

2011-11-02 20:17

1 reply

yeah.paddy hpx \m/.also the old mTw too was brilliant.

2011-11-03 07:46

bye bro!! :D:D

2011-11-02 16:15

On the bright side, zonic isn't retiring so I don't think the lineup will break up.

2011-11-02 14:58

2 replies

they will find another organisation?

2011-11-02 14:58

1 reply

Possibly, maybe not as wealthy though.

2011-11-02 15:10

bad news

2011-11-02 15:01

mje & zonic getting 3 players n make NoA v2.0 wouldn't it be epic? :P

2011-11-02 15:01

1 reply

rofl, wouldn't be NoA v2.0 more like v6.0

2011-11-02 16:37

who cares mtw?

2011-11-02 15:04

good good. - loord + trace :D

2011-11-02 15:05

sk-gaming.com/video/148060-mTw_At_Rekrut.. sad

2011-11-02 15:05

GF :_

2011-11-02 15:06

sad :-(

2011-11-02 15:07

trace is easy top3 individual player in the world. Im sure ALOT of teams looks over their budget to see what they can offer him. But we´ll all be remembering their absolute ownage of 2008.

2011-11-02 15:07

1 reply

+1 :)

2011-11-02 15:08

trace team?

2011-11-02 15:07

is cs 1.6 dieing :(

2011-11-02 15:10

2 replies

Its going closer and closer.....

2011-11-02 15:26

many stupid

2011-11-02 15:36

No male can continue playing a computergame all his life. I think it was right on time for zonic and co to start doing something else in their lives. We're not 20, or 21, or even 23 anylonger. So there's no room and space for this. However, I'd like to see Minet joining up BERRY in Anexis. Eitherway GL to the pracctimecr3w =) was fun to pracc & specc u guys!

2011-11-02 15:10

6 replies

BERRY is IGL..

2011-11-02 15:18

1 reply

Someone clearly missunderstood me. SEZ i meant that BERRY would pick minet up to join him@Anexis. They're both ex-teammates so that's why I wrote that. Minet isn't the primary IGL in mTw, that's the role zonic has the team-captain.

2011-11-02 15:26

if they can find a decent orga i cant see them quitting. If not, then probably yes. Not worth of effort to just attend nearby events at your own costs. Wf and Anexis must feel very lucky.

2011-11-02 16:19

"No male can continue playing a computergame all his life." Not if you're Bill Gates's son :) k, thats a joke :D

2011-11-02 20:19

2 replies

Well, it's kinda true. But we'll always remember these silly games we used to spend hours and hours with. This is something I'll probably share with my future kids someday, that I used to hardcore games back then =)

2011-11-03 01:51

1 reply

Yes, you're right. Looking back at that times really made me thought in regret "Why do I spent countless hours to play those games and get nothing for it, why dont I used it for something better" Well, something like that. Though I don't and will never ever regret that games is my hobby, nah it's already part of my life. I gain some good moments and learn some good parts in it, cheers dude :)

2011-11-03 06:58

exMTW -> M5 AGAiN -> MTW

2011-11-02 15:10

1 reply

Man... what the fuck are you talking about? stop talking stupid things... cya and thank you!

2011-11-03 01:26

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :((((((( <3

2011-11-02 15:10

Their chance to get rid of ArcadioN and minet

2011-11-02 15:12

feelsbadman

2011-11-02 15:13

o_O

2011-11-02 15:13

Martiiiiiiin trace ;(((((

2011-11-02 15:14

it will be sad if minet trace and zonic wouldn't play in one team..

2011-11-02 15:15

2011-11-02 15:17

oh,my god,sad :((

2011-11-02 15:18

So sad :'(. First (which i have been reading) LDLC then mTw, Counter-strike 1.6 was the best game for ever, far more superior to COD and BF series, now its about to die, so good memories from the one and only game. 12 years of massive domination in FPS-scenes is now over.

2011-11-02 15:20

GG mTw ! ... :(

2011-11-02 15:20

sad times :( +nuggi for ave

2011-11-02 15:22

too bad

2011-11-02 15:26

So sad :/ Gl minet, trace, zonic and ArcadioN

2011-11-02 15:29

omg omg omFg.... speechless

2011-11-02 15:29

poor tylerdurden:)))) ot: i don't really care about the organisation.i just hope that the players will go on with the game togheter at another organisaton:-?(if there is one)

2011-11-02 15:31

3 replies

Me too :)

2011-11-03 03:35

2 replies

bye fail team peace out loser

2011-11-03 05:47

1 reply

LOL. u faggot. Gux is gonna be ur bride. Enjoy the impact, u poor fagot.

2011-11-03 05:55

sad day for all us and CS!!!

2011-11-02 15:31

R.I.P :D

2011-11-02 15:32

really sad news :( but good that zonic aint done with cs yet

2011-11-02 15:33

1 reply

o ? and that'll be moddii trace zonic minet babarr omg sick lineup

2011-11-02 15:41

bad :///

2011-11-02 15:34

shit !!!!! :(

2011-11-02 15:35

how fucking sad :(

2011-11-02 15:35

1 reply

2011-11-02 15:36

NoA '-'

2011-11-02 15:36

carn gux friis zonic trace

2011-11-02 15:36

and now this thread focuses on; "cs is dying" "no more cs 1.6" "cs is dying" "no more cs 1.6" "cs is dying" and more bla bla bla for a story. PD: nice people

2011-11-02 15:38

9 replies

zonic and ceh9 said cs is dying,ofc you know better

2011-11-02 15:53

8 replies

? link ? show me master

2011-11-02 16:02

7 replies

Someone gave a link to zonic's interview after IEM NY on readmore.de,can't find it try to google. proplay.ru/vods/1548/ It's on russian,after-game comment of ceh9.

2011-11-02 16:05

6 replies

cs is dying and they continue to practice, practice, practice, play, play, play... COOL DRAMA BRO

2011-11-02 16:17

3 replies

Eswc 1st place 12k,poles and danes without orga,ok

2011-11-02 16:32

? most of the top teams barely practice

2011-11-03 07:02

1 reply

whaaaaaaat??? LOL

2011-11-03 11:42

Mr.Predict i ask a question, you really think that CS is dying?

2011-11-02 16:30

1 reply

absolutely

2011-11-02 16:33

TYLER_durden go suicide now

2011-11-02 15:39

1 reply

I had already predicted that in my thread. try harder to troll me, boy.

2011-11-03 03:37

+ nuggi for ave HAHAHAHAHAHHA nice joke trace zonic minet mJe +1 (arcadion is horrible)

2011-11-02 15:39

1 reply

arcadion can be IGL and nuggi is the best available awper in denmark imo, trace can put the awp down to split wigs with AK/colt

2011-11-02 22:44

Well it is sad but on the other hand this is a good news for fnatic cuz they are basically fucked and ain't got no future with the current lineup. So [carn xizt gux zonic trace friis] is I believe fnatic's lineup for 2012. And who knows they might wanna change things even before WCG.

2011-11-02 15:46

ave zonic friis trace karrigan

2011-11-02 15:43

sad :P

2011-11-02 15:46

[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] for sure !!!

2011-11-02 15:47

1 reply

for sure not!

2011-11-03 01:27

sad news :S gl guys!

2011-11-02 15:51

sad 2 hear that : ( wish u guyz all the best ~ we realy would see u in the WCG but ...

2011-11-02 15:52

sad!

2011-11-02 15:53

sad...

2011-11-02 15:53

Oh come on,it's pretty obvious mTw don't care about cs 1.6 anymore,so no poles. I think next orga to leave cs 1.6 is fnatic

2011-11-02 15:54

SADDEST DAY FOR ME :( BEST TEAM EVER MTW 2008 !

2011-11-02 15:55

1 reply

saddest day for me too.mTw was my inspiration. MJE whiMp hpx ave trace minet zonic sunde.these guys own the world.

2011-11-02 18:35

omg:(

2011-11-02 15:56

It was my fav team NoA/mTw, so sad. :(

2011-11-02 15:57

sad sad sad

2011-11-02 15:57

Guys please comfort my broken heart ! I'm heart broken right now !

2011-11-02 15:58

1 reply

+1 ;'(

2011-11-02 16:17

mTw shut down team doesn't means the player all retired , it looks like they want make some change and move on . Once trace and minet ,zonic are still play , they will get top4 position without doubet. they will join some club as soon as AGA!N

2011-11-02 15:58

1 reply

yup they will get top 3 without organization and 2 players what a smart ass

2011-11-02 19:31

2011-11-02 15:59

1 reply

mTw won't recruit a new CS-team.

2011-11-02 16:49

ESC: arcadion/barbarr trace zonic minet moddii or Anexis:arcadion,nuggi,trace,minet,zonic

2011-11-02 16:00

Neo and Trace , 2 of the best some of the best fraggers with out a sponsored team... guys cs really is going down the drain at a very slow rate , less money at tourneys , less WCG qualifiers ... itll still be here 2-3 years from now but .. how it will look i doubt many of of the pros will still be playing ...

2011-11-02 16:02

5 replies

fnatic.trace fnatic.zonic fnatic.friis fnatic.carn fnatic.gux

2011-11-02 16:04

3 replies

-1

2011-11-02 16:16

-56

2011-11-02 16:32

s1ck lineup

2011-11-02 17:02

2011-11-02 16:14

compassion the guys with mTw but... I thought about AGAiiiN and the possibility to join mTw ; )))

2011-11-02 16:07

One of the most consistent team that ever played the game! We will see some bigger changes in the near future(i hope at least)

2011-11-02 16:12

Sad news..........

2011-11-02 16:13

NOOOO this is a sad story

2011-11-02 16:18

Very sad Im gonna miss them especially 2k8

2011-11-02 16:18

I would have loved to see this line up: trace turkizh zonic karrigan friis idk if any of these players can be a team leader, if not, ave for friis.

2011-11-02 16:18

this isent the last we have seen from these guys <3

2011-11-02 16:19

OMG ONE OF BEST TEAMS :((

2011-11-02 16:21

sad waiting for new team. mtw the best

2011-11-02 16:21

Sad...but I don't think this players will stop here...since zonic said that he doesn't want to retire and I dont him that trace,minet and arcadion have even thought about retiring...I hope we haven't seen the last of these guys

2011-11-02 16:21

1.6 is dying : (

2011-11-02 16:23

This sux mtw are one of my fav teams this really sux and Im so disappointed from cs scene this year

2011-11-02 16:26

O_o

2011-11-02 16:27

trace friis minet zonic nuggi plz

2011-11-02 16:29

nooo

2011-11-02 16:30

ohhhhhh :( this is 2k12 ! doomsday wooohaaa

2011-11-02 16:31

worse news i read in a while :(

2011-11-02 16:31

are they still going to wcg with paid expensives ????

2011-11-02 16:32

mje trace minet zonic colon , would be a good team.

2011-11-02 16:32

AGAiN to be picked up by mTw or fnatic

2011-11-02 16:33

zonic(igl) BARBARR MODDII trace minet

2011-11-02 16:33

Since minet and arcadion are playing mix,trace's and zonic's moving to fnatic seem possible.

2011-11-02 16:34

2 replies

yeah cArn Gux zonic trace Anexis Nuggi minet snappi Arcadion turkizh

2011-11-02 17:00

bullshit ofc.

2011-11-02 18:46

I think neo would claim retire somedays later.

2011-11-02 16:35

NO fucking mTw!!! Your team is the best in the world GL all from mTw :(

2011-11-02 16:38

zonic trace ArcadioN minet Nuggi or TAY new Anexis

2011-11-02 16:41

12 replies

tay???

2011-11-02 16:45

11 replies

they need good awp

2011-11-02 17:57

10 replies

tay??

2011-11-02 18:26

8 replies

why not?

2011-11-02 19:00

7 replies

actually i agree.. he's pretty good

2011-11-02 19:56

6 replies

not compared to the other playerZ, imo :-)

2011-11-02 20:07

5 replies

whom?

2011-11-02 22:50

4 replies

whom? :D

2011-11-02 23:00

3 replies

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whom

2011-11-03 05:40

2 replies

all of them imo

2011-11-03 12:01

1 reply

We're still discussing awp'ers, right? o_O

2011-11-03 12:06

tay?!?!?!

2011-11-02 18:46

omg,sad!

2011-11-02 16:42

damn i will miss you mtw T_T hope this guys dont stop playing and get a new home ^_^

2011-11-02 16:43

Sad for the team, happy for zonic not retiring. :P

2011-11-02 16:47

AGAiN 2 trace

2011-11-02 16:47

Whats the reason for releasing the team anyway? Theyre still top5 in the world if they get a decent fifth.

2011-11-02 16:49

Good luck for them.

2011-11-02 16:49

OMG

2011-11-02 16:50

zonic-slonic =((

2011-11-02 16:51

bb mTw.....

2011-11-02 16:51

CS is slowly dying mTw loses sponsor NaVi loses sponsor soon fX loses sponsor fnatic org knows CS 1.6 is it's last legs so it's not going to support much longer. SK is the only sponsor left to travel.

2011-11-02 16:52

3 replies

omg fnatic have very much money...

2011-11-02 16:59

Na`Vi have too much sponsors... /A/ isn't their one sponsor. but he was their main.. :( They have now: Steel Series, Kaspersky, Antec, Teamkill, ARENA.

2011-11-02 18:45

mTw and fx didnt lose anything. mTw decided that they dont want to invest in CS anymore, so they released/kicked their CS team. fx can't pay enough. And mousesports, Alternate, MYM and EG are on the same level like SK and fnatic to send their teams to every tournament they want. MYM don't have a cs team atm, but they could support a big team easily with Puma and Digital Western

2011-11-02 20:07

if mtw bet on Counter-Strike, i think AGAiN team will be the next mTw. on topic sad new :|

2011-11-02 16:52

always top3. gl in future

2011-11-02 16:52

zonic, trace, gux, friis and cArn? :o

2011-11-02 17:02

1 reply

no Friis + trace conflict cArn Gux Xizt zonic trace

2011-11-02 17:26

wow did not expect that ... hope we will see at least some of the players in top teams , or maybe all of them in the same org..

2011-11-02 17:05

sad...best ever

2011-11-02 17:08

trace i think will go to fnatic..

2011-11-02 17:09

cs is gonna die, and if u think it isnt then your living in you own world.. my predicition is that next year is final year for cs cause its been nothing but a slow decline for cs in terms of no of tournaments prize money organization quitting their cs squad

2011-11-02 17:09

fail

2011-11-02 17:14

if one team is retire that means cuz cs will die ok? there are many teams sk, navi, fnatic, esc, lions... so not draw hasty conclusions

2011-11-02 17:15

holy shit its nixon's fault

2011-11-02 17:17

no :(

2011-11-02 17:18

however i'm shure cuz a new generation of good young players will come ;)

2011-11-02 17:19

AGAiN

2011-11-02 17:19

f*ck that

2011-11-02 17:21

2011-11-02 17:22

NONONONONONONONO :(

2011-11-02 17:24

no good

2011-11-02 17:30

More organizations will probably leave 1.6 in the upcoming year. It just isn't worth the big expenses anymore.

2011-11-02 17:37

esl.eu/nordic/cs/5on5/iem_vi_kiev_dk/tea.. ArcadioN, wazorN, minet, suraNga, zecer/woodi is very possible ;)!!! hehe

2011-11-02 17:41

suck on that tyler durden.. :D

2011-11-02 17:42

2 replies

:D u happy now?

2011-11-03 03:38

1 reply

haha.. actually no man.. mtw was one of my fav teams :(

2011-11-03 10:46

cs 1.6 R I P (U)

2011-11-02 17:48

at least zonic's not retiring for now

2011-11-02 17:49

sad :(

2011-11-02 17:52

bad news ;x

2011-11-02 17:55

zE coloN trace zonic turkizh = power

2011-11-02 17:56

/care

2011-11-02 17:56

if werent NaVi they can get more success.. we can remember their second places in tournamets its sad but GG.

2011-11-02 17:59

Sad u.u

2011-11-02 18:01

KK Karrigan Whimp Zonic hpx

2011-11-02 18:03

omg nooo :(

2011-11-02 18:04

omfg =(

2011-11-02 18:09

2011-11-02 18:14

2011-11-02 18:18

That sucks hard. =/ Hope trace will find a good team soon.

2011-11-02 18:20

oh shit.

2011-11-02 18:22

>D>D>D>D haha

2011-11-02 18:24

funny people

2011-11-02 18:24

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

2011-11-02 18:26

bring back NoA

2011-11-02 18:33

ETERNO VICE [2]

2011-11-02 18:35

sad

2011-11-02 18:35

okay its sad but... ZONIC ISN'T RETIRING!!! WOWOOHOOO

2011-11-02 18:41

mTw should get ex-FX line-upe

2011-11-02 18:47

fnatic.cArn fnatic.Gux fnatic.friis fnatic.xizt fnatic.trace NICE!!

2011-11-02 18:49

2 replies

Actually I think the reason friis didnt join mtw was because of trace, so i guess seeing them in the same team is unlikely. Asuming that was true.

2011-11-02 18:57

what a hell ?

2011-11-02 18:59

not really good news :D

2011-11-02 18:49

gg mtw

2011-11-02 18:59

Sad. :(

2011-11-02 19:00

Really really S A D :(

2011-11-02 19:02

2011-11-02 19:07

god damn shame

2011-11-02 19:08

omg oO

2011-11-02 19:17

cArn Gux zonic trace Xizt s1ck very s1ck

2011-11-02 19:18

Third place ain't bad... not sure why they had to end it. oh well, lets see if anyone sticks around to go to other teams.

2011-11-02 19:29

so sad :( <3 mtw

2011-11-02 19:31

cogu zonic jungle KF3 elemeNt

2011-11-02 19:33

Fuck!

2011-11-02 19:33

sad

2011-11-02 19:37

saaaddd !!!! :( :( :(

2011-11-02 19:41

trace,minet,zonic,turkizh,nuggi

2011-11-02 19:41

yeah CS 1.6 is dying .. it's so sad

2011-11-02 19:46

:(((( come back stronger then ever!

2011-11-02 19:57

so sad :(

2011-11-02 19:58

fnatic: +trace -xizt/-pita

2011-11-02 20:00

Nooooooooooooooooooo :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| , guy's can we put some money all and become a sponsor of this team???? :(:(:(:(:(

2011-11-02 20:01

1 reply

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000 man.

2011-11-02 20:09

nooo , sad :S

2011-11-02 20:04

Until March 2012 we will still see some good CS. We will see what will happen after the IEM Worldchampionship in 2012.

2011-11-02 20:09

sad news about the team but got better when i read that zonic is "not done yet".

2011-11-02 20:13

big loss in CS scene, hopefully they'll keep the same lineup +1 and get a new org behind them, gl

2011-11-02 20:14

one of the worst news nowadays :(

2011-11-02 20:17

I feel .... 'empty' WE WANT NoA !!

2011-11-02 20:21

Bad news.. It's a big lost to CS!

2011-11-02 20:30

RIP!

2011-11-02 20:33

maybe old mtw ? sunde,whimp&mJe????????????????

2011-11-02 20:43

gl with new orga

2011-11-02 20:43

youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc :(((((((

2011-11-02 20:47

Disappointed. The Swedish Teams always got the attention when you deserved the most. P.S: Cannot forget the year 2008 :)

2011-11-02 20:57

Find an org soon! This guys need a home for christ sake. Lets hope its for the best.

2011-11-02 21:03

NOOOOOOOOOO

2011-11-02 21:10

cArn,Gux,Friss,trace,zonic now !

2011-11-02 21:11

very sad(

2011-11-02 21:15

This sucks so hard, i missed watching mTw @ ESWC. And i think they haven't got the deserved attention since 2008. Just because they didn't win everything they still ended in top 3 EVERY SINGLE tournament not like other teams that maybe win 1 event and doesn't make it to the playoffs the next. I really hope that they form a new team, and get some new sponsors/organisation. Good luck, one of my favorit teams since 2006. As someone els wrote: "i feel empty" amazing what CS does to you?. Even though I don't play anymore.

2011-11-02 21:22

Fuck it. Best team ever :(((( RIP!

2011-11-02 21:29

And so it begins the fall of c.s 1.6

2011-11-02 21:31

this is so sad.. team like mTw is goin' down. whos next? I will remember this year.. year of SHIT!

2011-11-02 21:35

SHIT, too bad :(

2011-11-02 21:42

Damm it :/ I liked them so much.

2011-11-02 21:44

as long as we have trace, we're all good then :D:D:D:

2011-11-02 21:45

Hey everyone. I just want to inform you that I am stopping as well. OT: Thanks for the great times, Danny. Even the incident in Paris. <3

2011-11-02 21:48

56 replies

NOOO WHAT?

2011-11-02 21:51

the trace minay duo is no more

2011-11-02 22:01

1 reply

haha :D

2011-11-02 22:39

hi there. we will miss you!

2011-11-02 22:05

2 replies

thank you :)

2011-11-02 22:40

1 reply

sad that you quit, but gl in you life minay

2011-11-03 01:41

Bad for us,your fans,good for you. CS 1.6 is not like it used to be,GL in real life :D

2011-11-02 22:23

1 reply

thanks :)

2011-11-02 22:40

didn't you just play for ZeDANES??

2011-11-02 22:35

13 replies

I helped them in a cup, yes, that correct. In which I was awesome.

2011-11-02 22:39

12 replies

So ArcadioN continues,but without trace and zonic? O_o

2011-11-02 22:42

4 replies

To the extend of my knowledge, yes.

2011-11-02 22:43

3 replies

you also quitting cs? :o

2011-11-02 22:47

1 reply

#621

2011-11-02 22:50

oh,thanks for the performance during this years :) We will miss you;\

2011-11-03 00:37

Only you and ave are retiring in mTw? It's really sad, you played really great... Do you know when will we all know about zonic, trace and ArcadioN future in CS? :)

2011-11-02 22:43

1 reply

I don't know if trace and zonic are going to continue. :)

2011-11-02 22:44

if trace and zonic ask you to play with them would you accept ?

2011-11-03 00:04

4 replies

Yes, in a heartbeat.

2011-11-03 00:39

3 replies

So why do you stop ?

2011-11-03 01:54

make the first step! ask them if they would like to stick together!

2011-11-03 12:53

i seriously hope they do that , because its a shame that a player like you retires. gl in your future

2011-11-03 15:07

Sad - why what about trace? he will continue or ...

2011-11-02 22:47

thats sad, but what do u think about the future in 1.6 and how cs_go will be? :)

2011-11-02 23:24

Who's gonna fuck those keyboards up at LAN now when you're gone? :(

2011-11-03 00:04

3 replies

I don't know.. HeatoN chooses us

2011-11-03 00:10

1 reply

haha good one :p

2011-11-03 11:55

2011-11-03 02:11

brain message inbox: (1 unread message) youtube.com/watch?v=9Z0tqTa0tl8&feature=..

2011-11-03 00:14

WTF minet. :@ Common man, keep playing plz.We all love you. :'(

2011-11-03 00:50

Ty for all the great moments we(fans) have seen watching you, and your team, playing. Best of luck in your life.

2011-11-03 00:54

Hey my boy, don't quit! You are getting better and better.

2011-11-03 01:54

Minay bro..pls dont quit ..We <3 you guys..

2011-11-03 02:36

3 replies

Sorry, but it's time to move on :(

2011-11-03 03:08

2 replies

ahhh sad :( GL for future ! can I know the reason behind your decision.. atleast a hint?.. You guys can stick toegther and get a new org. It would be great! n any idea abt the future of MTW players bro? i mean trace arcadion .... what are they gonna do??? sry if am asking lots of questions...Am just sad and curious to know ...

2011-11-03 03:49

good choice:) you had the lucky life of being a professional at something you loved now it's time for you to go out enjoy what ever you want:) thanks for some great fragging, loved your passion and anger;) good luck in life!

2011-11-03 05:53

I will miss to watch you and trace ( the danish duo! ) headshoting everyone.. thanks for that, gl in the life!

2011-11-03 04:04

14 replies

Thanks for the support ;)

2011-11-03 04:38

13 replies

You were playing at your best and suddenly u quit...life is so unpredictable :( Miss u minet, we all love u..hardcore fan of mtw

2011-11-03 04:55

12 replies

haha thank you :D

2011-11-03 05:28

11 replies

Has been fun watching mTw after you and trace replaced whimp and mJe, and u've been best replacement. But what's the real reason of you quitting? Education?

2011-11-03 06:40

how is your last name pronounced in Danish? is it "mee-net" or "my-net"?

2011-11-03 07:08

1 reply

Miné

2011-11-03 13:09

Good choice, time to go pro in life :)

2011-11-03 07:41

I also fucking love you man! I would do you any day!

2011-11-03 13:07

6 replies

hahaha

2011-11-03 13:17

5 replies

Pro DoTA 2 or what are you gonna spend these 14515 hours a week that suddenly becomes available? :D

2011-11-03 13:52

4 replies

Gotta work broski :(

2011-11-03 14:04

3 replies

Cool. Have you found a job then? Or are you job scouting as we sp34k?

2011-11-03 14:23

2 replies

got something

2011-11-03 14:37

1 reply

And I got you babe!

2011-11-03 14:39

2011-11-03 05:44

noob xD

2011-11-03 06:50

We'll miss you :(

2011-11-03 08:57

Well, i'm must have to say this, you're an excellent player, and you achieved a lot of sucess, but fame doesn't put food on your table. If you decided that it's the right time, my truly THANK YOU is with you, thank you for some really good moments, and everything that you gave to eSport's community. We'll miss you minay!

2011-11-03 18:01

good luck for the future ! ps: what about zonic, trace & arcadion ? :(

2011-11-03 19:36

cs 1.6 is going on...we have a lot of legends retired. spawn, heaton, potti, element, vilden, walle and many others. it can't stop here with ave's and zonic's retire...

2011-11-02 21:52

3 replies

It can,if trace and zonic retire and Poles couldn't find new orga

2011-11-02 22:51

2 replies

are many good players undiscovered yet...

2011-11-03 00:04

1 reply

no Again and mTw = easier for SK/Navi = stable lineups = no chance to young. fnatic and Lions need to step up. Edit:forgot about mouz,they are great nowadays.. But still,it's a matter of time when players will not be satisfied with prizemoney / orga will not be satisfied with expenses for 5 players for not so popular game like starcraft 2 or smthng.

2011-11-03 00:08

cs 1.6 is going down slowly :P

2011-11-02 21:55

2 replies

if 1.6 die im going to cs:go but never to source

2011-11-02 21:58

1 reply

2011-11-04 16:48

coloN or NuGGi to fill ave's void and they might well do great 2 bad moddii can't join them, zonic + trace + moddii in one team would be huge

2011-11-02 22:07

sad :( mTw was one of the best teams in the world

2011-11-02 22:08

very sad.. mTw was one of the best teams in the world.. hopefully not slow to return! ):

2011-11-02 22:16

2011-11-02 22:22

xau

2011-11-02 22:24

Arcadion-minet-trace-karrigan-friis

2011-11-02 22:31

1 reply

minet retires #621

2011-11-02 22:33

sad day :(

2011-11-02 22:45

sad day .. my favourite team is gone .. :(

2011-11-02 22:50

... sad, rly sad for cs1.6 scene..

2011-11-02 23:09

I'd like to see: Friss Trace KARRIGAN +2 That's shout be shit!

2011-11-02 23:10

2 replies

yeah lets just add markel and delpan and just eliminate any map where awp is rendered useless

2011-11-02 23:53

1 reply

they are beasts even without awp in hand ;)

2011-11-03 15:42

to find new orga is really hard, so what about: Zonic Trace Moddii BARBARR pronax ?

2011-11-02 23:17

one of my favorite teams =[

2011-11-02 23:34

minet,arcadion,trace,friis,karrigan mby + moddiiiiiiiiiiiii

2011-11-02 23:53

Things like this are going to continue to happen as this game gets older and older and its proof that we need a new game. Personally, I played this game purely for the fun of competing and here in North America its not fun anymore because the only competition is the same 5-6 teams. I have to imagine that the game is getting boring even for the top level players with so little teams putting up resistance in events. The truth of that matter is becoming more and more the case as this game gets older and as we all get older and more people leave the game. You Euro's may not see it yet but take a hint from a North American player like myself. The future is grim as more players quit and this game is going to become less fun for you when you realize that you're playing the same teams over and over again and there isn't anything shocking you or really pushing you to your limit in terms of practicing and getting better. CS:GO is seriously what we need but in its current state its a joke but I think we as players have an obligation to have an open mind about the game and try and make it better. Let me repeat myself. We need to help Valve make it better. We don't need to make it like 1.6 but we need to make it better. Cast aside the mentality that the only way to play Counter-Strike is if its in the state of 1.6 because its just not true. When 1.5 came out, peopled had the mentality that 1.3 was the only way, when 1.6 came out, people thought the AWP was unusable compared to 1.5 and that the riot shield was going to break the game but here we are. Just have an open mind and contribute to making a better competitive game because in terms of developing a new Counter-Strike, there is literally no one better for the job than Valve and their willingness to listen to us is so valuable.

2011-11-03 00:03

3 replies

they want money, they dont give a shit. they are like ubisoft, EA and others. 1.6 is just a product for them and this product stopped to produce money...they have to come with something new.

2011-11-03 00:11

1 reply

You clearly don't know Valve if that's what you think. Valve has consistently does things for the community. Unlike Ubisoft or EA, they still promote the modding community by hosting mods off of Steam itself and they hire their employees from the community. Valve is probably the most philanthropic mainstream developer. When Portal 2 was releasing they knew that indie games were going to take a hit in sales because people would be buying Portal 2 instead of the indie games so they collaborated with the indie developers and added content to their games and ran the potato sack deal to encourage people to buy the indie developers games. While I agree that Valve wants money because they are a business and that is the root of all businesses but your ideology fails when you consider that they are willing to scrap games like Half-Life 2 and Episode 3 to start from scratch to make a better product. The insurmountable amount of money they've spent on developing games and then never releasing them because they didn't reach a certain standard. You have a terrible image of them because of Counter-Strike Source but you forget that Counter-Strike Source was nothing more than Valve flaunting the Source engine tech. When CS:S first came out, it was not intended to be a fully fledged game. It was just Valve showing the capabilities of the Source engine for modders by showing how easy it was to port over a Counter-Strike into the Source engine to encourage people to mod on their new engine. It was only when so many people start playing and buying Counter-Strike Source that they started updating it and making it more of a fully fledged game. CS:S when it originally released only had de_dust and one model per team, their intention was never to make a new competitive game, it just ended up taking off because so many people bought it and so many mainstream gamers enjoyed it. Gabe Newell spoke at the Games For Change conference and most of what Valve does is for the benefit of the gaming industry. Of course they are a business and their priority will always include money but to compare them to Ubisoft or EA is a joke.

2011-11-03 06:31

Cs pro mod !!!

2011-11-03 01:47

noa...mtw...nothing? :( sad

2011-11-03 00:00

You had a good run, mTw. GG.

2011-11-03 00:01

noooo :-(

2011-11-03 00:07

Arcadion, Moddii, Barrbar, Zonic, Trace.

2011-11-03 00:07

4 replies

that would be so nasty

2011-11-03 00:16

You might be right, except I don't think it'll be ArcadioN, maybe pronax.

2011-11-03 01:07

2 replies

well that's a tough one.. arcadion is a nasty igl he's just great in that role but when it comes to getting the kills he's not that good :/ when pronax are very good at getting headshots but not as " skilled " and experimented as arcadion when it comes to ingame leading :))

2011-11-03 01:28

1 reply

I would like it to be ArcadioN, I just don't think it'll happen.

2011-11-03 02:29

So minet tell your history in CS 1.6

2011-11-03 00:15

trace zonic friis arcadion karrigan

2011-11-03 00:21

zonic,TRACE,Friss,KARRiGAN the best ! +moddii oO

2011-11-03 00:43

=[ great team with no org :[ pick up a beast and continue dominating among the other top teams!

2011-11-03 00:58

OLD mTw 4ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2011-11-03 01:42

Cs will die soon. Again will be the next to quit as they don't have a sponsor.

2011-11-03 01:53

omg i really hate this :/

2011-11-03 02:14

ESC | TRACE MINET KALLE BARBAR ZONIC TOP3 in the world.

2011-11-03 02:24

3 replies

-BARBARR + MODDII

2011-11-03 06:35

Karrigan ftw

2011-11-03 13:30

theres no minet anymore :( zonic,friis,trace,arcadion and hes brother wazorn?

2011-11-04 16:31

they did not once have won Na`Vi :D

2011-11-03 04:21

really sad. gg mTw

2011-11-03 05:38

SAD NEWS..

2011-11-03 05:47

:( :( :( :( mTw = NoA .. ONE THE BEST TEAM FOR EVER

2011-11-03 06:19

sad :(

2011-11-03 07:19

Very sad that the very best 1.6 teams can't find stable organisations :( And organisations can't find stable teams :<

2011-11-03 07:21

cs is dead!

2011-11-03 07:26

sad try to build a denmark legend team to join in WCG? sunde ave zonic mje whimp :D

2011-11-03 07:49

Mouz : gob b, roman, karrigan, zonic, trace) but language...

2011-11-03 08:12

2 replies

O m g, that WOULD BE AWESOME

2011-11-03 08:26

I think mouz would want to have a German majority in their team.

2011-11-03 13:13

Bad players yellin for years that 1.6 is dead.. l2p lol, no good player goes for source

2011-11-03 08:14

1 reply

a lot of known 1.6 players tried running away from the bad game and switching to source and failed miserably (getright, snajdan, driim off the top of my head). no source player had ever tried switching to 1.6, that's because the game's bad.

2011-11-03 11:41

This is it,the end of 1.6 is aproaching.

2011-11-03 08:30

farewell~ always liked to watch you guys, always strong appearance.

2011-11-03 08:45

So sad :(

2011-11-03 09:39

Fak my day :(

2011-11-03 09:45

GG. thats it!

2011-11-03 09:52

sad:(

2011-11-03 11:52

sad :f

2011-11-03 12:18

omg :(:(:(:(

2011-11-03 12:48

the legend of cs!!

2011-11-03 13:37

Acc, zonic, Moddii, friis and Trace :)

2011-11-03 13:46

2011-11-03 13:48

minet stopped playing :S:S

2011-11-03 13:54

Ave,minet - gone.

2011-11-03 14:21

They are struggling to get their 5th and finally ended up with loss of team fnatic also struggling to get their 5 player. There will be news in few days fnatic releases counter-strike team :P

2011-11-03 14:24

trace zonic barbarr moddii pronax

2011-11-03 14:26

not really surprise. mTw.dk have always been so close to win tournaments, but almost always failed, this have been going for so long. mTw need another team that wont be as disaster, if they want to shine. I bet new mTw is guys from AGAiN

2011-11-03 14:34

NOOO :( very sad

2011-11-03 14:46

esl.eu/nordic/team/6095557/ :D good team inc

2011-11-03 15:43

Everyone knew this was coming. Sad to see the team close. mTw has been a great orga for like a decade, and ave Sunde MJE Whimp zonic is among the best lineups ever.

2011-11-03 15:43

1 reply

best line-ups ever: NA`VI 2010-2011 SK 2003 POLSKA (TAZ, LUQ, LOORD, KUBEN, NEO) mTw (ave, MJE, Sunde, whimp, zonic) eoL/MYM

2011-11-03 16:59

best team ever to have played the game, in my opinion.. the teamwork was always gr8, no matter which players played.. very sad day indeed.. good luck ave and co.

2011-11-03 16:57

eSports organization mTw officially announced about disbandance of their counter-strike 1.6 team mTw.dk. It all started when Alexander ‘ave’ Holdt informed community about completing his CS career. zonic also was close to doing the same and he posted in Twitter “It all ends in New York”. But later he commented that he had such thoughts, but now he has changed his opinion and open for offers from other teams. Gamers played under mTw clan tag for 3 years with minor changes in line-up and won a lot of titles, especially in 2008. Last tournament for mTw became IEM 6 Global Challenge New York where Danes took 3rd place with stand-ins Turkizh (in playoff) and Nix0n (in group stage). Organization mTw is not planning to have CS 1.6 team anymore and will concentrate on other esports disciplines. Later, Oliver ‘minet’ Minet informed his fans that he completed his CS career as well. He didn’t participate at IEM NY GC, due to illness on those days. Looks like Arcadion, trace and zonic will play for other teams and there is a gossip that trace and zonic will join fnatic. :S???????'

2011-11-03 18:15

Bad day for CS. mTw was so great team and changed game a lot. Their attitude to teamplay and tactics was most professional. Goodluck IRL though.

2011-11-03 18:41

sad :(

2011-11-03 23:10

Everybody knows that sooner or later mTw will disband... Just left Counter-Stike with 3 or 4 top teams... Sad day for Counter-Strike...

2011-11-04 00:14

youtube.com/watch?v=zQhvVdQCcNo epic moment :)

2011-11-04 01:55

to bad, to bad, i liked the the, i hope these players specialy trace & zonic will find or make a new team, the scene needs players like them, GL & HF in future

2011-11-04 11:38

the the = the team LOL :p

2011-11-04 11:39

trace to fnatic

2011-11-04 12:28

Sad news.

2011-11-04 21:25

NOOOOOOOOO :(

2011-11-04 22:40

mtw gg :<

2011-11-05 08:48

mTw :(...

2011-11-05 18:43

trace gux friis zonic carn

2011-11-05 18:52

mTw I will remember you for a long time ! T_T

2011-11-07 08:22

MINET QUITS AVE QUITS ZONIC 50 % STAYS 50 % quits trace still plays ArcadioN ? In my opinion they should go to different teams its not impossible to rebuild the team but it is still hard -.-' however old players quit new players will rise and take their place

2011-11-07 18:14