VeryGames dominate ESC

3-11-2012 12:34

The French CS:S giant VeryGames has scored a dominating 16-2 victory over the Polish ESC Gaming squad, putting them just one win away from topping group B as the final rounds of matches begin.

ESC Gaming's split into the upper site through ramp caught VeryGames off guard and allowed them to win the pistol round, but the French came back strong by winning their save round right after.

It looked as if the Poles would pull off a force buy on round three, but Cédric "RpK" Guipouy's two AK47 frags allowed VG to win their retake while Filip "NEO" Kubski missed a crucial shot on Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux.

One save round later, VeryGames completely shut down ESC's upper take, and the following round's split attack towards ramp. Next couple of rounds proved no different for ESC, as VG extended their lead to 8-1, largely uncontested since round two.

Kenny "kennyS" Schrub stepped up his game from the French ESWC qualifier, as he continued racking up kills with his AWP as VeryGames won the next two rounds, forcing ESC to save and effectively making it 11-1.

VeryGames with Ex6TenZ, RpK and NBK in the photo

VeryGames showed top form in their ESC match

Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas' one-on-two heroics following a bomb plant in lower through a ramp-outside split attack gave ESC their second round of the half. The momentum was quickly stopped by Nathan "NBK" Schmitt's multi kill though, as VG easily won the next round.

Last round of the half saw VeryGames once again give up the upper bombsite, but then use their teamwork to their advantage to win the retake, and the half 13-2. Schmitt finished the half with a score of 21/5, leading all players.

Second half started similarly as the first one ended, with VeryGames rushing the upper bombsite and the combination of Schmitt and Dubourdeaux taking out the entire ESC squad.

VeryGames finished off their dominating victory just two rounds later, as ESC's force buy attempts proved unsuccessful despite Wojtas' threefrag AK47 round and the French side claimed their sixteenth round for a 16-2 win.

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VeryGames	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating1.0
Nathan 'NBK-' Schmitt NBK-	27 - 5	+22	-	-	2.39
Edouard 'SmithZz' Dubourdeaux SmithZz	19 - 4	+15	-	-	1.77
Cédric 'RpK' Guipouy RpK	16 - 11	+5	-	-	1.25
Kenny 'kennyS' Schrub kennyS	15 - 11	+4	-	-	1.17
Kévin 'Ex6TenZ' Droolans Ex6TenZ	8 - 8	0	-	-	0.95

ESC	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating1.0
Wiktor 'TaZ' Wojtas TaZ	14 - 17	-3	-	-	1.02
Jarosław 'pashaBiceps' Jarząbkowski pashaBiceps	8 - 17	-9	-	-	0.45
Filip 'NEO' Kubski NEO	7 - 17	-10	-	-	0.40
Mariusz 'Loord' Cybulski Loord	6 - 18	-12	-	-	0.28
Jakub 'kuben' Gurczyński kuben	4 - 17	-13	-	-	0.23

Next round at ESWC 2012 starts at 12:45 and sees VeryGames face off against Anexis while ESC Gaming will look to secure a playoff spot, pending VG's undefeated run in the group, in their final match against n!faculty.

expected

2012-11-03 12:34

Was a great last round :)

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by taz only)

2012-11-03 12:35

true

2012-11-03 12:36

Sick action by taz :D

yes, it was a round of 2012

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too fast

2012-11-03 12:43

Fucking amazing Taz... so was the smoke polish ninja :D

2012-11-03 12:39

yep. action with smoke was sick..SICK! :D

2012-11-03 12:55

that 4 man by Taz, AMAZING!

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why? he didn't win the round ????

2012-11-03 12:46

and ? was good tho

2012-11-03 13:26

gartic.uol.com.br/imgs/mural/_c/_casper/..

yeah, TaZ was so strong there

Everyone is focusing on the last round, instead of giving VeryGames credits for beating ESC 16-2 :D

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for sure bcz this website is full of 1.6 fanboys. alright including me :P

2012-11-03 12:37

im not saying it was because of that they started on ct side but immagen if esc won knife.

2012-11-03 12:38

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Well it doesnt explain it, for example VG won an eco with losing like 1 player and i think that tells the story of this match.

2012-11-03 12:40

so you dont think it would have been closer if esc started as ct?i really doubt that VG would even get 5 rounds as t.

Well, that just proves that VG are better. They win the important rounds and 16-2 might not be what we will expect the game to be if we see these two teams playing eachother again. But atm VeryGames are just better than ESC we have to realize that :)

you can't set it up like that. VG won by a big margin and that's the end of story. The rest you are talking about is "if and if" situations.

2012-11-03 13:49

ESC won 2 rounds as T. After 3 rounds as T, VG scored 3 rounds... Knife round has nothing to do here.

2012-11-03 12:41

Oh ye if you mean closer then yes obviously ^^ It's just, some people think ESC could have won if they had started ct, which is ridiculous imo, nothing more.

2012-11-03 13:36

I don't see a point here sir. Is it really a huge surprise that Source team trashes ESC in a source-like game? I think it was kinda obvious, because all 1.6 teams in GO sucks, except GTR, f0rest and Xizt who leads NiP. I can add that ESC didn't practiced 24/7 like VG, and they don't take this game seriously, yet they're 2nd in the group of ESWC. And no, I'm not a die hard 1.6 fanboy, so please don't comeback with such a reply.

2012-11-03 12:58

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Im gonna lie if I expected VeryGames to win 16-2 before the game started :)

2012-11-03 13:00

LOL so biased

2012-11-03 13:08

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Oh those cadred kids...

2012-11-03 13:09

Oh these biased idiots

2012-11-03 13:23

oh those fucking morons which hadn't touched GO at all and they know everything about the game that it's so SOURCELIKE (which it isn't, fucking moron)

2012-11-03 18:04

you're actually so mad its hilarious. grow the fuck up

2012-11-03 15:04

VG > But ESC gamin good luck for the next ! Semi-final : ESC gaming vs Nip ^^

please remove the pic of great 1.6 nuke from CS:GO stuff, thanks

1.6 team vs source team in source-like game, expected.

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What is it with you people!? You claim 1.6 players are better, but as soon as "saucers" beat your beloved 1.6 players, it's because the game is source-like? Either we suck 'cause we're from CS:S, or we're gods 'cause we got advantage. Get your mind straight!

Do you think DIFFERENT people posts on here? :OO

2012-11-03 12:48

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Age: 15 - won't reply.

2012-11-03 12:50

Because you realised how dumb it is to believe that everyone posts the same things. Also, you just did reply to me dumbass.

2012-11-03 12:53

oh god just shut the hell up, you are f*cking ridicoulus.

2012-11-03 16:22

ridicoulus. lol

2012-11-03 16:31

So true. They are mad because the 1.6 players got as raped.

Cry me a river.

NiP = mostly 1.6 team, why are they winning then? VG and ESC have about the same amount of playtime in CS:GO. Stop comparing the scenes, retard.

what? after DH VG was already training for ESWC while neo was playing cs 1.6

2012-11-03 12:45

"VG and ESC have about the same amount of playtime in CS:GO" are you kidding me?

2012-11-03 12:47

You say ESC and VG have almost the same playtime in GO? Are you kidding me? Stupid fuck, just look at the interview here @ hltv.org. Neo is the one in his team with MOST time @ go. And he had about 250 before ESWC. And VG had about 400 hours each..... ;>

2012-11-03 14:03

150+ hours isn't a big difference!11

2012-11-03 14:25

So when a former 1.6 team beats a former CSS team you say "CSS sucks 1.6 > CSS noobs", and when a former CSS team beats a former 1.6 team you say "1.6 team vs source team in source-like game, expected." Typical :)

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lol are you kidding ? This game is like cs:s2, same engine, same maps, same tactics... VG are much more experienced by playing for years in cs:s.

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The point isn't what the game is or is not, the point is the fact words change based on the match. It's either constant bragging or excuses, rather than saying "good game" or "nice try".

#53

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Where did I state that everyone posts the same thing or that everything is said by one person? That is just illogical, if you have something to point out about the actual topic other than being a smart-ass then go ahead.

2012-11-03 13:33

You answer to #14, #32 is completely retarded then if you realise that everyone doesn't say the same thing.

2012-11-03 13:34

Are you living on earth? What the_hell are you saying? Get you´re english right, please.

2012-11-03 14:09

Your answer to #14 in #32 was completely retarded then if you realise that everyone doesn't say the same thing* The guy in #14 might not've said anything at all when the 1.6 teams beat the sourceteams, so I don't see why everyone is attacking him with comments like #32.

2012-11-03 14:21

Get your English right, please.

Sensible message, finally.

2012-11-03 13:16

In these words it is a true too. ESC gaming just played one month in csgo and they beat 2 css teams... Nip played from early beta and they dominated every css team in few months. Fact is only one, the best teams and players played 1.6, no doubt, everyone knows that. Step by step they absorbing into css scene, it will never happen in other way, css teams will never step on high level in 1.6 thats why bad teams from 1.6 switched to css. I dont get why only VG is strong from css scene? Where are other teams... sad true, css scene seems like it was not interesting, while 1.6 scene was always very strong and aligned.

not same engine, not same maps no same tactics. CS:S is on the orange box engine, CSGO is on the L4D2 engine, I shouldnt even have to describe how different the maps are as a quick stroll around the maps in each game makes it obvious, and the tactics shit shouldnt need an elaboration either you just dont know what youre talking about l0l

2012-11-03 12:54

nuke_ve is not like css,d2 is same in both games,inferno is like css,train is new map and mirage didnt play in css tournaments...stop talking shits ...just try to play game and then talk :)

2012-11-03 12:56

d2 same in 1.6? =)) fail de_dust2 has a totally different gameplay in css and cs:go

2012-11-03 14:10

this game is faster,this game doesnt have boosts like 1.6 d2 and thats why is difirent but in global way its the same dust :)

2012-11-03 22:45

you didn't even play css, did you? you know nothing, kiddo

2012-11-04 13:09

I did kiddo 23yo

2012-11-04 14:02

a n!faculty player said that cs:go is cs:source 2

2012-11-03 12:59

go cry to mama ...idiot

1.6 players got pwnd. They arent as good as all you 1.6 players say they are.

2012-11-03 13:05

insane game by VG!

on de_nuke, those molotows are really pain, they basicly force u to go just outside where is waiting good spniper...nice to see someone had actually done his homework about molotows

"thrashed" is way more fitting here

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No, in such ct sided map as nuke it isn`t as trashing to win just 2 rounds. More or less it was summary of mistakes in theyr individual play, as if they were on edge today then they would have won 2 more rounds as Ts and thereby would have chance to win more rounds above for that, for having money advantage thanks to those additional rounds. It just wasn`t theyr day.

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bullshit.. mouz also lost t side vs area51 12-3 and they made it to a draw. esc was just shit.

No, you`re just beign biased. I`ve written my arguments but you`re just changing subject.

i'm right, you're wrong xDDXDDDD

Hm, what are you even talking about, we`re dargumenting about chances there, not about facts. Where can you find right or wrong in that?

2012-11-03 13:07

well, if esc didn't manage to come back vs vg, but mouz came back to draw with a51 on the same map with similiar scores that only proves they got trashed, and you're immune to logical argumentation. And also you're wrong.

2012-11-04 13:11

you clearly have pistols figured out

2012-11-03 13:06

learn english then speak to me again

2012-11-03 13:27

whats wrong with what i said ? stupid

2012-11-03 13:37

difference is that mouz won their ct pistol. if area51 won their terrorist pistol, they would have likely won 16-3.

2012-11-03 15:49

I like that people are only talking about taz and ignoring the rest of the game .. .

16-2 for vg > TaZ is sOOO GooD OMGOMGOMG. LOL.

+1 xDD

expected. VG training a lot since DH Valencia.

wp VG

2012-11-03 12:42

NBK is a girafe

I dont get to my mind only one thing, if it is new game, why we have maps from cs:s? VG is so much experienced on these old maps...

2012-11-03 12:44

nuke ve is not a source map... hf :*

as raped by #63 You simply havent played CS:GO and are just talking bull shit as all the other 12 year old kids here.

2012-11-03 13:02

I have all cs games in da steam sir, and tell me csgo isnt based on css, please....

2012-11-03 13:45

Its on the Source engine, thats the only similarity. Even then it's a different version of the engine.

2012-11-03 14:19

people don't know what engine means, they would tell theres "Source" attached to engine so it has to be the same game.

2012-11-04 01:16

Indeed, dota2 is on the source engine does it mean Source teams would beat DotA2 teams, nope. The engine is similar in terms of netcode and interp, but aside from that its pretty different (looks at movement between CS:S to CS:GO)

2012-11-04 03:16

ESC still will go far in this tournament in my opinion. But VeryGames just crushed them, and that's true ;) GG

NBK,SmithZz,kennyS -> awesome guys

what did the 1.6 fanboys expect? just because esc were good at 1.6 means nothing for go PS dominate isn't a strong enough word, rape is more appropriate

neo mvp :D

taz very stronk player extrem clutch almose take yeah:)) go go polski n__n

taz last round > verygames

go is way too fast for esc

I expected this game to be a champions' game and not "16:2"! pity =\

Nice to see the 1.6 boys holding their own against VG. Oh wait.

pol esc 16 : 9 eng tox!c oh wait ))

2012-11-03 12:52

I like the toxic guys but you can hardly compare their position in the source scene to that of ESC in the 1.6 scene -_-. Talk about clutching at straws, and even then it was only 16-9

another good result for esc against n!, waving that 1.6 flag with pride

2012-11-03 14:27

1.6 players win = they're better cause they're from 1.6 1.6 players lose = they're worse 'cause they're from 1.6 and saucers have advantage saucers win = they're better cause they have advantage saucers lose = they're worse cause they're from source. YOUR MENTALITY IS STUPID! SHUT THE FUCK UP!

2012-11-03 15:25

pfff danish guy something says to me ? selfish and conceited danish nation ...

its just the fact that no one likes saucers. u mad brah?

2012-11-03 20:37

"Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas' one-on-two heroics following a bomb plant in lower through a ramp-outside split attack gave ESC their second round of the half." Well, that's a unique way of putting it. That round, along with the one strux1 won vs. NiP, was pretty sweet.

GG WP

2012-11-03 12:49

ESC should go back to 1.6 practicing alone vs Na'vI.

hAHAHAHA

Verygames players are fire noobs... cant play without molotov nades... sad :(

cry polska fanboy

2012-11-03 14:00

give ESC couple more months and they will be right back on top

2012-11-03 13:01

2012-11-03 13:47

KENNY GREAT AIMER 6.7 HS %:X

awp...

he awped on nuke ?? lol what a noob

Yup what a noob, when i AWP my hs % is atleast 75.

Nice logic rofl.

2012-11-03 13:20

omg :D

funny how everyone claims VG won because they are from source. What about NiP? yes... they got 2 source players but It's not like fifflaren and friberg carried NiP to victory vs VG. so yes, maybe VG got a small advantage but they thrashed ESC BIGTIME! Maybe ESC have a bad game, they lost 16-2 vs SK on train in 1.6, shit happens so what we can say is VG dominated ESC this game and we have to see if ESC just had a bad game or if they just are this bad at GO

2012-11-03 13:14

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I think when NiP beat VG recently friberg and fifflaren played well and were actually quite a contributing factor to the win. Hopefully the two will meet in this tournament, I think it will be the first relatively fair test of the two teams now that they've both had time to practice for a specific event, which I assume they both have. Although I do think NiP are still quite far ahead in terms of the training they've done, but that might well be because they are more dedicated, so if they do win (which seems likely at this stage) they certainly deserve it.

Ofc they did well, I said they didnt carry NiP wich means 3 others were shit because everyone played decently and saying this is their first test is also quite wrong, their first test was the first time they met.

not really, when they met prior VG had been playing a lot of css still because of the iseries event, NiP have been training hard on Go for longer then VG

You got it all wrong. We claim VG won 'cause they're better, while HLTV users claim that NiP wins 'cause they're from 1.6, not because they're better.

Just read trough the comments at the top and claiming ESC lost because they are from 1.6 and that NiP won because they are from 1.6 is dumb, I'm a die hard 1.6 fan but atleast I've realized we have to move on

2012-11-03 13:32

Exactly. 1.6 players win = they're better cause they're from 1.6 1.6 players lose = they're worse 'cause they're from 1.6 and saucers have advantage saucers win = they're better cause they have advantage saucers lose = they're worse cause they're from source. Regular HLTV user, in most cases. glad to see you've moved on.

2012-11-03 14:20

hltv.org/?pageid=181&eventid=0&gameid=2 kindly watch these stats, f0rest Get right and xizt are on top of two source players it seems source team like vg looks pretty good as a team but as for individual skills cs1.6>cs:source talking about whether source team is on top of cs1.6 or viceversa, we should wait few more months and few more events to decide but at present nip looks better than vg and for me nip is more like a cs1.6 team rather than source as 3 players from 1.6 is dominating the rest 2 from source

2012-11-03 14:53

youre so retarded i cant even bring myself to reply to

2012-11-03 15:17

and ur so retard that u don have guts to accept the fact and cant even expose urself as there is nothing denying the fact what i ve shown

2012-11-03 15:50

I couldn't give a rats ass. I don't care what scene the best players come from, I care who the overall best team is, and that they're the best cuz they want it the most. I just posted that comment to display the mentality of HLTV users.

and obviously nip is the best team and u cant deny the fact 3 players from cs 1.6 r playing in there and performing better than rest 2 players from source and btw there r different users commenting here in hltv and if u take a closer look, there r different views from different users too and a suitable example is u :) i don know whom ur pointing at by calling HLTV users

2012-11-03 15:57

Why says NiP is the best team? There haven't been a LAN yet connecting the best teams... DH Valencia they beat VG, fair. ESWC only 1 team pr. country is showing up, except Germany, but countries like Denmark & France got more than 1 good team to compete against NiP. We'll actually only see, who the officially best team is, at a big LAN event like copenhagen games or something like that.

2012-11-03 16:18

yeah thats why i said we should wait for few more events to decide for the best team, it will be a hell different competition as everybody get into the game as the time passes by, i ve absolutely no idea about the source teams but i ve been following the cs 1.6 teams for some time now and theres more to look at in future as there will be fnatic and possibly na'vi joining the cs:go scene too. I m looking forward to see a great competition in future as it is not just going to be a fight betn the two team only but the fight betn the two community too as we can already see here in HLTV.org

2012-11-03 16:32

Or we could move on from the silly debate which no one will win outright as there is no way to reliably prove it and just get on with supporting CS:GO and the teams that are in it.

2012-11-04 03:19

expected! VG <3

2012-11-03 13:31

ESC is so weak in GO, should come banana phone show them how to play ;f VG strongest team so far in ESWC

esc top1 on poland atm...

atm MaxFloPlay aka Banana Phone and Drunken Globus aka Benq Delta

2012-11-03 15:42

well CSGO sucks so bad.

actually if the movements were more simple (as on 1.6), if they ajust recoil, ban molotov and change maps (they suck a lot), I would definetly play it.

2012-11-04 01:18

Exactly, you have resumed the key problems of csgo. CSGO is too weird to play and even more weird to watch. The game is too boring for the specs.

2012-11-04 02:54

Fuck I switched NBK for rpK in my DT :oD

2012-11-03 13:40

CSGO tournament are much better... verygames rape ESC, ESC rape Anexis, Anexis beat verygames.. CSGO rules, you didn't see these close games and weird results in 1.6

pretty much you don't follow 1.6 tournaments

2012-11-03 13:52

that happened often in 1.6

2012-11-03 13:57

0.40 k/d NEO, for those putting him in top10 in GO, your a joke.

2012-11-03 13:54

that's not k/d..it's RATING, k/d doesn't mean shit www.hltv.org/?pageid=242

2012-11-03 14:17

Well yeah ur right but my point remains the same :p

2012-11-03 14:37

i've never seen g5 loosing so BADLY :/

2012-11-03 13:56

cs 1.6 players good? hahaHAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAH as i have always said, cs:source had a lot of more talented players than cs 1.6 ever did, now in different game top 1.6 legends loose 2-16 to normal cs:source team :) cs:go is game that requires much more personal skill than 1.6 did, thats why most 1.6 players just sucks in cs:go

2012-11-03 13:58