FalleN slams Valve over CS:GO

30-6-2013 14:09

Iconic Counter-Strike player Gabriel "FalleN" Toledo has written a blog in which he openly criticises Valve's lack of support for CS:GO.

Ever since CS:GO was released in August, the Brazilian community has been desperate for some action, with the first major LAN tournament in the country having been announced only this Sunday, by ESEA.

In North America, this situation is slightly better, but still the community over there felt the need to launch an international movement with the sole purpose of reinvigorating the North American e-sports scene.

In Europe, LAN events are few and far between, and their prize purses are considerably smaller than those that a host of 1.6 tournaments used to have in the past, prompting fears about the lack of sustainability of professional teams. Only earlier in the week GameGune announced that for the first time in the event's history, it would not be hosting a Counter-Strike tournament.

FalleN takes a dig at Valve

Taking the example of the WCG, which decided not to stage a CS tournament at this year's event, in China, Toledo believes that Valve should be doing a lot more to promote the game.

"International tournaments? They are still happening, not as big as they were, but they still do not have the support from Valve," Toledo wrote.

"Valve was not capable of fighting for a place for CS:GO at WCG, which is a competition that puts countries that are not on the European spotlight in tournaments.

"When are you going to see Latin American countries in international tournaments again? WCG is the best way for that to happen, it always has, and we have no Counter-Strike game being played there.

"I expected a lot more from CS:GO and from the developer behind this game. I expected some incentive so that everyone would want to change games, instead of feeling forced to change, because there is no other option.

"Valve's lack of support afects us directly. The community is seeking alternatives, and how many players have already decided to play other games?"

Toledo goes on to criticise the lack of matchmaking servers in Brazil, which forces the community to play on servers with pings that reach 150. He also reveals that Games Academy is putting together a LAN event in which teams will have free accommodation at a hotel.

"This is a statement from someone who has experienced wonderful things thanks to this game, from someone who knows that many others have gone through the same," the playArt talent continues.

"I will keep fighting so that people can continue having fun and experiencing great stories in CS."

well done

2013-06-30 14:10

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"forces the community to play on servers with pings that reach 150" 150? Where? I play whit 220 -.-

2013-07-06 21:58

People still don't understand don't they.

2013-06-30 14:10

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do* :*

2013-06-30 15:37

It's a new era in gaming where developers have to communicate with the community. It's much more important now than before. They had the "pro-forums" with alot of good suggestions but it hasn't shown for half a year. VALVe not doing enough to help the game grow. This is why I like Riot Games. They are putting the effort, their own money and love into the game.

2013-06-30 16:24

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I still don't get why css has a beta client and csgo doesn't, its just beyond me

2013-06-30 16:42

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HPE made if after they ruined the game. They didn't take that much critics either with bugs, they still released updates that were flawed. And sometimes they released the updates in the middle of the day on the weekends. Some LANS had problems cause of this (can't remember which ones).

2013-06-30 16:51

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oh I remember how the beta client came to be for css, it would just be so great with the game at this point, would be an easy testing ground for changes , much like the PBE client in LoL, if the devs actually cared about it of course, lol. on a sidenote (i probably said it like 300 times throught the different topics) it's beyond me why HPE got to do CSGO after the horror that was the Orange Box patch for CSS PS I do remember LANs having to run no-Steam CS:S because of the updates :D

2013-06-30 16:54

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Switch to Orange Box they said, it will be fun they said. First months of choppy 66 tickrate non-playable games. They didn't seem to care back then but thx to j3di, something happened and good updates started to come out.

2013-06-30 17:21

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well yeah, the smoke buffs and the crosshair customization features were great, but still, the game in general got a lot worse

2013-06-30 17:26

one thing to remember with riot is that they put in the community interaction and support right from the beginning = and that was a contributing factor to why LoL has tunred into a competitive behemoth. Valve are operating via the idea that once the game is popular and they are getting tons of money from it, THEN they will build the community. It doesn't work like that, to make the game big, you have to invest some time and effort into it.

2013-07-02 16:38

If you're talking about your grammar, NO, we do not.

2013-06-30 18:05

nothing new

2013-06-30 14:11

Nobody will listen to you, you said source was more tactical than 1.6.

2013-06-30 14:11

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he was jokeing about it believe me x)

2013-06-30 14:19

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He wasn't.

2013-06-30 15:00

Because it is. By a fucking long shot. Especially in the later stages of 1.6 it was all about your individual skill and communication. But tactically, CS:S has always been based around it.

2013-06-30 14:20

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Riiiight...

2013-06-30 14:24

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Shouldn't have even bothered to type it, as a shitstorm is about to ensue from a hundred clueless dribbles. W/e won't bother replying and wasting my time :D

2013-06-30 14:25

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But tactically, CS:S has always been based around it. Any arguments of why CS:S is but 1.6 not?

2013-06-30 14:37

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Because css' flashes and smokes were way more powerful than 1.6's ones. That's why the tactical side was more important in css...

2013-06-30 15:56

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The tactical side doesn't equal to the way u use flash and smoke in.And less powerful flash and smoke doesn't mean there are less tacticals in 1.6.The difference of power only means the difference of way u find to use them in.And more variety of flash&smoke skills based tactical was developed in 1.6,since sometimes u can make ur enemy blind while u r half-blind,or sometimes u can see enemy clearer than they can see u through the smokes by certain position. And do u think run&shoot style will give more space for tactical than position-matter style?

2013-07-01 09:48

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No your whole post is ridiculous and you clearly think it's a dick measuring contest, that's why you'e so biased. CSS was more tactical because flashes/smokes were more powerfull and could be thrown by one side of the maps to another. That's why tacitcs mattered so much more than in 1.6: the teams who spent a lot of times on their tactics had a huge advantage on the others. I don't know why you keep arguing with that, everyone who has played both games at a good level (including myself) said that css was more based on tactics than 1.6 (guardian, fallen, shox etc). I still think that 1.6 was the better game, but tactics didn't mattered as much as in source. End of... "And do u think run&shoot style will give more space for tactical than position-matter style?" Yeah right. You've just admitted that you haven't played css more than 5minutes and therefore that you don't know what you're talking about. Wasda in css is just as powerless as it is in csgo, and noone is complaining in csgo. People are just believing an old story that was told when css was still in beta (and which was true at the time, but not anymore...)

2013-07-01 17:13

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I just think ur point of view on who is more tactical based on the power of flash & smoke is ridiculous.You think in too simple a way and underestimate players' intellegence. 'it's a dick measuring contest, that's why you'e so biased.'Obviously I am not ,I hope u aren't either.If u are,then I am wasting my time on replying u. 'the teams who spent a lot of times on their tactics had a huge advantage on the others.' That's the same in 1.6.And in later life of 1.6,heavy anti-stratting has been developed for there is no more tactic men can invent and all of ones existed has been researched many times.That doesn't mean it is less tactical in 1.6.That means source has never reached that competitive level in 1.6 on tactical side. I did play source for more than 5 minutes.:)But I haven't followed the source scene for a long time,maybe it has changed .But it did give me that impression at that time.

2013-07-02 05:27

It actually is ^_____________^

2013-06-30 14:26

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I played both games on semi-pro level, and it's actually not.

2013-06-30 14:34

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CSS is the worst game out of the CS franchise, but if you can't understand it was more tactical you are brain dead.

2013-06-30 14:36

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It can't be more tactical, cause there is no difference between those two games except of speed. Nice try brainless.

2013-06-30 14:39

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the brain is dead in this one

2013-06-30 14:43

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said macidonian.

2013-06-30 15:05

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yes said macedonian and confirm's it 2nd time.

2013-06-30 15:06

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just fucking lmao.

2013-06-30 15:07

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when your brain has low iq there is nothing else to do exept laughing.

2013-06-30 15:08

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No no, it's just you and your country, im so sorry.

2013-06-30 15:13

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troll.me/images/vidal/oh-look-he-mad-thu..

2013-06-30 15:15

said the russian rofl

2013-07-01 07:49

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postimg.org/image/k8z3nzq3n/ Ye, rofl indeed.

2013-07-01 11:45

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1913 zzz It does not make your country less of a 3rd worlder nowadays.

2013-07-01 23:33

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Nuclear weapons actually does. The truth is that actually it's your country are 3rd world shit, and opinions of some small and smell shits like Finland, Lithuania, Poland, Croatia and etc, never taken into account by big countries. It was in WWI, it was in WW2, it was many times before and will be forever.

2013-07-02 00:26

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You just gave me the best laugh I could have today. Thank you!

2013-07-02 13:24

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You are welcome.

2013-07-02 13:52

It wasn't though.

2013-06-30 17:01

i've seen you post under this nickname on russian forums quite a few times, so i assume that's your real nickname, and i'm dead certain i've not seen any technokittens anywhere near russian source top, let alone world top...

2013-06-30 16:27

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He was the one to give water to kri

2013-06-30 16:44

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My last conversation with kri was in 2008, i think, so just no, and gtfo too.

2013-06-30 18:19

Russian forums? Which one to be exact. Never used russian shit like otstrel, also i new used this nickname anywhere outside of HLTV.org, so i can't say what are you talking about. So probably you just blind or maybe brainless. Anyway i never said that i was on top in source, i just wrote that i was semi-pro player, but you can be sure that i can smash your saucer balls in 1.6, but better just gtfo "world top".

2013-06-30 18:23

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well that escalated quickly... thanks for proving my point that you were a nobody in russian source. "semi-pro", my ass. i'm glad you can beat me in a game i never played, too bad you couldn't do that when we played the same game. also this cyberfight.ru/site/profile/149706/ guy who has over 500 posts on the most known russian esports site is definitely not you, it's just me being blind brainless and all that jazz.

2013-06-30 19:31

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c58? Lmao, i never had acount there, because i always prefer proplay. And i actually don't really give a fuck who this guy is. I took this nickname from iphone game, so defenetely he can do it aswell. About part2.. Too bad indeed that you gave all your life to the game where you never had some great results, being a part of promotional R3D line-up which was created specially for NPCL, it's not success yet, you know. So ye it's is really bad that i can't beat you in CS:Shit, cause it is too hard for me to yeat shit :(

2013-06-30 19:46

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Yep, that's just some other russian TechnoKitten who pretends to have played source. Why not? We had a lot of technokittens in source. Totally plausible. I never claimed to be a "world top" player. I might not have achieved a lot in EU (it's not like i played a lot internationally though; i only attended one lan where we played 15:15 with 3dmax which consisted of shoxie apex scream and happy, which's a monsterteam even by CSGO standards), but i've never been outside of top3 in russia since like 2007, and i've been in a top1 team for quite some time until we split up. I also did OK (even internationally) in CSGO right until my team folded in december. That part about rush3d being a promotional team just shows how little clue you have about the scene, we played under this tag for over a year after the death of NPCL (it's not like rush3d was my only team, for example i also played for Team Empire, a known org which picked up CSS long before NPCL switched to source). Yep i dedicated my whole life to the game, that's why most of my teams didn't even practice. Clearly a CS failure who has played all versions of CS and achieved fuck all and spends his time posting on CS forums pretending to be someone he's not has a better life than me.

2013-06-30 22:49

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If you never claimed to be on world top, then can you answer to me, why the fuck did you wrote your first comment? It's very strange that guy which have only dick as his achievements trying to blame me that i actually wasn't semi-pro player. About Empire and R3d, the truth is that source squads of Empire, forZe, r3d and others big russian organizations, always were only promotional projects and never had big priority by managements of those gamings. Also your laughtfull text about your achievements, is shit as fuck. Being in top3 at russian source scene it was like being top3 of village.It was like world class team forZe and dozens of noobs, which always fighting for top 2 and 3. Means nothing, sorry. But i can confirm that it is still better than i ever had in CSS, so you can proud if you want. In CS:GO dat team always was WE+4. No WE=lost even versus k1ck.

2013-07-02 00:43

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"the truth is that source squads of Empire, forZe, r3d and others big russian organizations, always were only promotional projects and never had big priority by managements of those gamings" Yeah right... forZe.css enjoyed everything their 1.6 squad had, including salaries and full access to 4game (they could bootcamp at the scene whenever they wanted to). Empire rented a flat with 5 high-end PC's for us to bootcamp at (among other things), which was a very rare thing even for 1.6 teams. Renting a flat in Moscow for over a year is quite costly, not to mention the PC's. "It's very strange that guy which have only dick as his achievements trying to blame me that i actually wasn't semi-pro player. " I have no idea who you are, and judging by the fact that you're not exactly willing to tell me, it's easy to see you were nowhere near russian top. If you have never played for a proper team, they you have never played at a "semi-pro" level. If you have never played at a semi-decent level, it means you have no clue about the game. Which in turns means you can't really judge how tactical the games are. Which is why I replied to you. "In CS:GO dat team always was WE+4. No WE=lost even versus k1ck." You seem to enjoy making a fool of yourself... you do realise we had already lost to k1ck 14:16 online 2 months prior to attending the LAN? The fact that we were a mix doesn't seem to mean anything to you either. This is exactly the reason why I pointed out that you've never played at a semi-decent level. You have no clue neither about the game nor about the scene. If WorldEdit was the reason why we were (somewhat) successful, then why the fuck did we lose all of our matches in the second season of StarLadder? "Being in top3 at russian source scene it was like being top3 of village.It was like world class team forZe and dozens of noobs, which always fighting for top 2 and 3." Once again, no clue neither about the game nor about the scene... There's a reason why forZe's best players decided to stick with us after their team split-up, and that's because me and maL were the best Russian non-forZe players back then. That's also why we became the best Russian team in no time and remained one until our IGL decided to quit the game and we formed a new team. That's also the reason why our team beat the new team of the remaining three forZe players in the final of ASUS Spring 2010. I have no idea why I even reply to you as you keep making things up. You contradict yourself anyway... You say you played at a semi-pro level and then go on to say that "top2 is shit" but admit you didn't even achieve that much lol.

2013-07-02 16:13

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There is too much shit in your head. Do you realize difference between pro-and semi-pro? I guess no. Also i never said that i have really good knowledges in CS:S because i wasn't interesting in it, i just played it with friends maybe 1-2 years after alot of years in 1.6, i played versus ScaRy(ex-forZe), versus pinCho, versus HDS, t44 and other teams with "pro" players which i can't remmember right now, played alot of mixes with known players, but ofcource i never played on semi-pro level, just because you don't know who i am. Funny ideed. And i dind't saw any arguments in your post why being top 2 and 3 in Russia mean something in world scene? Where was Russian scene in 2008-2009? How high Russian scene was? Top 10? top15-20? And it is absolutely exact fact that only one team from Russia had some big results at world scene - forZe, other teams can only proud for results like: "we played 15:15 with 3dmax which consisted of shoxie apex scream", amaizng, kust fucking ubelieveable. So probably i have no idea why i wasting my time with such of pathetic looser like you. So obviously this conversation is over, cya.

2013-07-02 16:30

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God you're so thick it's unreal. Anyone could play against known teams by simply attending a LAN. I always play gathers with and against randoms, that doesn't make those randoms "semi-pro" LOL. I've already said I had never claimed to be a "world top player" but it seems that simple English is too difficult for you to grasp. I also mentioned that I've barely even played internationally because I didn't care back then, but you didn't notice that either. Fact is, I was as good as the forZe boys and it was easy for everyone to see once our teams merged. Anyway, you make no sense at all. Why do you even attack me? What exactly are you trying to prove by doing so? Screaming "NO YOU" is so childish... Also, at first you said you were a semi-pro player, then you went on to say that you were a nobody in a "top20" country. Define "semi-pro".

2013-07-02 18:12

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Omg, you will never deal with your shitty career, it's so hurt for you as i can see... I always play gathers Did i said anything about gathers? Are you blind? I meant old invite mixes. those randoms "semi-pro" Mostly they are semi-pro, as i said before you just don't know what semi-pro is. Why do you even attack me? haha, you not blind, you just stupid as it seems. It was you who starts this conversation, it was you who wants to show here your very important "pro" mention. Did i ask for you? No, so why did you answer to my first post? I can understand if it was AlonE, limper, c0m, but you...Who are you? Where are you? ...Jeezus, even at fgcl you was raped by "randoms" when i saw you there, omg. So can you do little favor to me? Sit fucking down on your ass and shut your mounth up, with your 15-15 versus 3dmax, and blowjob versus k1ck. Best regards. PS: Also, at first you said you were a semi-pro player, then you went on to say that you were a nobody in a "top20" country. Define "semi-pro". The fact that i said that i was semi-pro in Russia, doesn't mean that Russian scene wasn't shit, if i should explain those simple things to you, then you should think about your mind.

2013-07-02 19:42

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I meant old invite mixes #cisgl.gotime is a Russian invite gather channel. guess what, there are still a lot of people that i've never heard of who got there just because they're friends with some top player. Mostly they are semi-pro, as i said before you just don't know what semi-pro is. HAHAHA. you still haven't defined what "semi-pro" actually means. according to you, it means being shit in the game but still being friends with some of the known players. you still haven't told me your real alias... probably has something to do with you being a complete nonamer. It was you who starts this conversation, it was you who wants to show here your very important "pro" mention I don't need to prove anything to some complete nonamer who spends their time posting on HLTV.org pretending to be someone they're not. I said you weren't a semi-pro and that you have no understanding of the game, and you have already proven that with your own words. I don't like liars, and you're a huge one. But you couldn't face the truth and the only thing you managed come up with was a "NO YOU" kind of reply. The fact that i said that i was semi-pro in Russia, doesn't mean that Russian scene wasn't shit, if i should explain those simple things to you, then you should think about your mind. OH LOOK I PLAYED GATHERS WITH SOME NIGERIAN PROS IM A SEMI-PRO PLAYA (in nigeria but who cares) Jeezus, even at fgcl you was raped by "randoms" when i saw you there, omg The only time i played a cup at FGCL we ended up placing first after beating zNation, so that's just another case of you making things up.

2013-07-02 21:10

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#cisgl.gotime Look everyone this guy is crazy as fuck. Even tho i said that i played in 2008-2009, he still thinks that i meant cisgl, i lold. complete nonamer same as you. spends their time posting on HLTV.org but you doing exactly the same, success guy. said you weren't a semi-pro and your argument is: just because i don't know you...what a dumbass, Christ. OH LOOK I PLAYED GATHERS WITH SOME NIGERIAN PROS IM A SEMI-PRO PLAYA OH LOOK I HAVE 15-15 VERSUS 3D MAX, NOW I FEELS LIKE A GOD AND ALL PPL WHICH I DON'T KNOW ARE COMPLETELY NONAMERS. No way bitch. The only time when i saw you at fgcl mixes, you sucked balls all the game. you have no understanding of the game Fatality... the guy which can't play even in 1.6, still thinks that he is a master of Counter Strike. haha Please continue your ownage.

2013-07-02 21:41

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he still thinks that i meant cisgl, i lold. Gosh, you really can't read English, can you? I never said you're from cisgl. I said that invite mixes don't mean that you're any good. I've played those mixes, and most of the time there were at least a few guys that i had never heard of. same as you. i played for the best russian team alongside ex-forZe members like c0m, limper and AlonE and played just as good as them, while you're some online rambo who spouts shit hiding behind a fake alias. nope, we're far from being the same. although it's pretty obvious why you can't reveal your real name... you were probably so shit that i've never even heard of you. that's like 10th reply from you and you still cant even define what being "semi-pro" means. nor could you explain why you keep discussing my achievements... even if i wasn't that good, i was still better than you by miles. what are you even trying to prove lol... are you trying to say you have a good knowledge of CS because you PLAYED SOME MIXES VERSUS SOME GOOD PLAYERS? The only time when i saw you at fgcl mixes, you sucked balls all the game. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

2013-07-03 00:43

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I have much bigger knowledge in the game, cause i played in all versions of CS, you bitch ass, played only sauce which is probably not CS at all. If here would be time when we can play in 1.6 in future, i will show to you what game sense actually is. For now i tired to writing into the wall. You can continue enjoying youself, your big achievements, and your nightmare vision of the game. Cause you still can't answer to me why should you be an expert in this theme, except of 15-15 versus 3dmax, great stories about that how you was better than forze, but always had low teammates to beat forZe, and other shit. You just retard and low sourcer, i see it here, and guys which know you in game and in real confirm it to me aswell. So you can think that you won or smthng like that you want from this discussion. Goodbye bitch, and have fun when you will tell your kids about match when you had 15-15 versus GREAT 3DMAX WITH SHAKZIE AND SCREAM!!!111 And how you rouled the world after this. Best of luck and please never answer to me in future, cause i have an allergy to retards.

2013-07-03 01:05

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LMAO you still seem unable to define what being a semi-pro player means. next time you reply to me, make sure you do that. you have a bigger knowledge of CS because you played like a giant turd in all three versions? i have no idea why you keep talking about 1.6, were you any good in that game? we both know you weren't nowhere near even top30 of russia, so why do you keep bringing that game up? i didn't say i was better than forze, i said i was playing just as well as them, which was easy for everyone to see once two of their players joined my team and we beat the other three forze players. for some reason you keep living in 2008 (that formoza thread is a clear example of that). i have no idea why you keep mocking my 15:15 vs. 3dmax... i've beaten quite a few top10 teams in my lifetime, but i honestly think that LAN results mean much more than online results, hence mentioning that draw.

2013-07-04 12:07

haha sure..

2013-06-30 17:00

How do you define "tactical" in CS:S? Just so we're on the right track, 'tactical' does not equal 'strategic' or 'positional'.

2013-06-30 14:30

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Tactical is strategical...

2013-06-30 14:49

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actually the definition of tactical differs from the definition of strategical

2013-06-30 15:11

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Tactic: An action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end. There may be slightly different definitions of both, but they are essentially the same thing. Two different words for the same kind of thing.

2013-06-30 15:15

Tactics and strategy are not the same thing at all, even if they are closely related. A tactic is an action, or a set of actions, aimed to a limited goal. A tactic can be part of a strategy, or be used on its own. A strategy is a global plan, aimed to a generic goal, without a definite structure. A strategy is usually composed of several tactics, but it can have no tactic at all.

2013-06-30 16:01

Speaking of a clueless dribble..

2013-06-30 14:44

That;s because it has so much clutter. Also one could argue that wallbanging introduces a lot more options than being able to bounce of a grenade in 1-2 more different ways. Wallbanging allows hacking into your opponents strat thus the opponent having to make a mid-game change, sth ex6 obviousky lacks in comparison to the 1.6 igls. So it was not all about individual skill, because heavy anti-stratting started late in the life of 1.6

2013-06-30 15:15

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Ex6 lacks adaptability because of his personality, not because of the game he played before. His obsession for control is what makes him struggle against teams like NiP. Hopefully he'll realize that he has to give his players more room.

2013-06-30 16:06

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Ex6's lacking adaptability can still let him lead VG to No.1 in CS:S.But if he had came to 1.6 after 2006 ,he would have sucked hard with his style.The competetive level of 1.6 has improved significantly since 2006 and was far beyond the one of source I think.Thats why those who came back to 1.6 from source couldn't regain their top level.

2013-07-01 11:01

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You can lack pretty much anything and still be able to win a lot and remain dominant. Everyone has something he lacks, the matter is only how they deal with it, and also how the opponents deal with it. The fact that he led VG to #1 for quite some time doesn't prove anything against his lack of adaptability. He's always been a Full control leader as opposed to an Instinct leader. That's why he was restraining Scream and KennyS a lot, not because he didn't want them to mad frag, but because he thought it would affect his plan in a bad way. It seems that he finally gave up a bit of his control now that Shox is in, and that seems to work pretty well. Maybe Shox and Ex6, even though they don't get along well, can work best only when they are together ? Shox denying Ex6's control and Ex6 tempering Shox seem both a good thing for those two. Full control leaders can be as effective as Instinct leaders, but what make them struggle is the kind of opponent they face and more importantly how they manage to find solutions. In other words, Ex6 may lack adaptability, but it doesn't mean it will prevent him from winning, only how he deals with it will.

2013-07-01 11:52

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I didn't say full control leaders cannot lead his team to top level.I said that IGL lacking adaptability couldn't lead his team to top level in 1.6 ,especially after 2006.Full control doesn't equal to lack of adaptability.Since the serious anti-stratting in 1.6,if u cannot adapt the change and make quick decision in game instead of obeying the routine setted like a bot,ur team will be owned hard.

2013-07-01 13:41

WTF

2013-06-30 15:25

css was slow, i don't now what you mean by more tactical because in 1.6 it was not all about running and shooting you needed individual skill and good team play and starts to be on top.in css the skill cap was undoubtedly lower and you could relay more on tactics to win you a game,also the game mechanics allowed the game to be more about proper smoking and flashing also the movement was crap and not demanding like in 1.6.in 1.6 you needed both ,tactical play and superb skill.

2013-06-30 16:41

It's not, it will never be, cs:s is game for retards, as well as cs:go. Strategy based cs 1.6 owns both games. cs 1.6 > shit game > mario > cs : go > cs : s

2013-06-30 17:59

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neanderthal > chimpanzee > goldfish > the stool I laid this morning > "nutcracker"

2013-06-30 18:06

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the only thing u laid so far is ur mom :] btw typical gb player that failed to play 1.6, so he thinks he is smth cause he played ketsup sauce :D

2013-06-30 18:39

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as opposed to angry 1.6er hltv.org user currently playing dota 2

2013-06-30 23:06

brit sAuce,what else

2013-07-02 00:03

1 reply

Intelligence. None was found here.

2013-07-02 08:35

and he is rigth, source more tatical then 1.6

2013-06-30 14:35

4 replies

How is source more tactical than 1.6? 1.6 you can wallbang which introduces a lot more strategy into matches. Tell me some things that CSS has that 1.6 doesnt please, would love to hear from noobs how CSS is more tactical.

2013-06-30 15:07

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it is since your grenades can be thrown a hundred diferent ways while in 1.6 the spam spots where pretty much the same. in 1.6 you can hear your enemys across the map while in go and source you dont, so you need to be more carefull about fakes because you cant hear your enemys from far away. you need to know how to position your self in the map because if you dont position well, 1 smoke and you are done, you cant help your team mates because you cant see shit while in 1.6 even with 32 bits you only need to duck to see through smokes. and wallbangs are a metter of luck, you can defend the same spot from a diferent place and avoid being wallbaged. so dont call me a noob because obviously you dont have a clue what your talking about.

2013-06-30 15:25

2 replies

How is the km nade tactical? It just allows people to not do anything or just pussymode trough.... CS 1.6 nades >>>>>>>>>>> CSGO nades in everyway...

2013-06-30 15:38

Dont know why im bothering to reply but i'll play along. A skylight in nuke doesnt make the game more tactical because theres a couple of openings that a flash can come in that it cant in 1.6. You're statement about ingame sound is ridiculous. Smokes are thicker in CSS, doesnt ad any tactical advantage since you only need 2 or more 1.6 smokes to give the same or bigger effect. And wallbanging ads a tactical element that CS:S does not have. Not only are spam spots incorporated into strategies but nades aswell since 1.6 nades go through walls where CSS bullets and nades dont.

2013-06-30 16:31

you clearly don't get it..

2013-06-30 16:25

and it is

2013-06-30 16:26

nobody listen you roman[f] stupid guy!

2013-06-30 16:53

it is. coming from a 1.6er.

2013-06-30 17:46

it was more tactical you idiot, smokes played a huger part and flashes. You could actually through nades over alot of parts in CSS unlike CS 1.6. CSS was a bad game but yes it was more tactical, CS 1.6 was more simplistic but it was more evolved so some simple tactics may look more "complicated"

2013-06-30 19:08

inb4 saucers slamming with the usual "GO IS A PERFECT GAME WCG SUCKS ANYWAY!11" comments

2013-06-30 14:14

16 replies

hahahaha +1

2013-06-30 14:31

here we see stupidness of cs community :D huh

2013-06-30 14:55

inb4 1.6 noobs crying about the game :)) CSS was more popular and a better game so stfu. Cadred > all except foxj

2013-06-30 14:57

12 replies

Not sure if troll or really stupid.

2013-06-30 15:27

11 replies

Troll. Even Saucers knew that CSS was unpopular and worse game than CSS or easier at least. But what sealed the troll title for this man is Cadred > All. I've spoken to saucers and they hate Cadred for making their community retarded.

2013-06-30 15:41

9 replies

Nø cadred is gøød før the søurce comminity. We killed 1.6 in 2010

2013-06-30 15:52

8 replies

you are delusional sir

2013-06-30 16:01

7 replies

We did?

2013-07-01 01:31

6 replies

lets count the major international tournaments css had in 2010...oh wait

2013-07-01 01:43

idiot

2013-07-01 01:51

4 replies

Troller jo bare lidt sebnoob

2013-07-02 02:54

3 replies

Sjov troll alligevel griner :))) det var ingengang i nærheden i at være sjovt.

2013-07-02 13:45

2 replies

Skulle det være sjovt for dig pis noob shuffler.

2013-07-03 01:34

1 reply

Du er tydeligvis ikke sjov og hellere ikke moden, please vil du ikke dele min shuffle video på facebook også? alle har alligevel set den, den eneste der synes det er irriterende er Ahw så idc :)))))

2013-07-04 14:35

really stupid

2013-06-30 15:42

nope, not this time.

2013-06-30 16:25

well done brother, CS without title in WCG, is not CS ;)

2013-06-30 14:14

1 reply

Is it only C then?

2013-06-30 15:42

gonna quote myself here: Keeping in mind Valve never meant CS:GO to be the next competitive FPS i don't see a reason they should push something they never intended in the first place anyway. Dat community ... :D. Valve: never said or wanted to be GO the next competitive FPS Community: makes CS:GO the next competitive FPS >> then complains Valve does not support it :D Dat logic.... and Haha... and how many pro players complained Valve isn't listening? To which players did they listen? Volcano? J3di? Cmon ... just because Valve "invites" a few players, cuz they obv. now where the PC CS market is, doesn't mean they do it for the game :D. CS market on pc = eSports, competitive. Seems quite logical to invite pro players to get some more $$$ from the PC market, don't you think? Makes sense that they wanna make a competitive game, but yet the dullest design desicions where made with casuals in mind. Stop fooling yourself. If Valve wanted CS:GO to be the next big competitive FPS, don't you think they would have done it? Look what they are doing with Dota2. That's how Valve does things, if they want to. Open your eyes .... the leagues and community pushed CS:GO to be competitive, not Valve. Valve never announced anything. They know where the market for CS:GO is .... making some fancy videos with pro players helps $$$.

2013-06-30 14:14

9 replies

This 100%.

2013-06-30 14:17

true

2013-06-30 14:17

Man , Let's play FIFA 13 Kappa

2013-06-30 14:20

for dota valve doing so much cuz of it was not their game, they should impress every1 with it. cs was there game all time so they dont need to do something about it... and for example dota is fighting with other games same style(LOL for example) cs still havent got such a big oponent( maybe i just dont know)

2013-06-30 14:25

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What has this to do with the fact Valve never wanted CS:GO to be THE NEXT big competitive FPS? At least that wasn't the focus. Valve is doing so much for Dota2, because it's simply worth it. MOBA market is huge.

2013-06-30 14:30

Don't forget Hidden Path Entertainment, the main developers of CSGO.

2013-06-30 14:35

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i know HPE and i've been talking to the lead designer of CS:GO throughout the whole beta. Don't forget that HPE is not working on CS:GO anymore and also keep in mind that f.e. the maps were always done by Valve and not HPE. HPE was just a company that have done what Valve wanted them to do ..so don't blame HPE.

2013-06-30 14:40

1 reply

Alright then

2013-06-30 14:47

true

2013-06-30 14:43

Valve can only do so much though. Riot can only do what they do as they have a massive company behind them (as they are the third richest company in the world) whilst Blizzard are struggling to compete on similar terms. Valve do what they can on DotA2 because the community gets behind it. It is the same reason why Valve love Team Fortress 2 because the TF2 community get behind their game and are proactive. For example, TF2 community have self funded one NA team, one Australian team, and one Finnish side to get to insomnia49 in August, that has set back their community just over $30,000 but they raised it in good time. The CS community as a whole isn't hard work ethics, and don't like parting with their money if they don't have to. Perhaps some people need to stop slamming Valve, and perhaps get a little more proactive in the scene and help out.

2013-06-30 14:17

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support from community means a lot obviously, but do not forget that LoL is a free game while CSGO is not..

2013-06-30 14:42

+fucking 1 It isn't Valve... it's this shit community, 1.6 and CSS was always shit.. you add two shit communities you get massive shit.

2013-06-30 14:42

11 replies

+1. CS 1.6 CSS.. both have flamers, snackers, trolls and kids everywhere...

2013-06-30 15:45

Valve has been shit to the community since ever.

2013-06-30 16:17

9 replies

They've been shit to the community by providing us with games we play and love... yeah nice one you fucking moron. The community is just shit.

2013-06-30 16:30

8 replies

Dumbed down versions of the game we love*

2013-06-30 16:36

7 replies

Eurgh, not going to bother. End of the day the game has come out when the generations are moving away from FPS games in general. I'm 18 and i only know about CS because my dad would occasionally play it. that was like what 12 years ago? the only other games that could rival CS in terms of esports was WC3 and SC (mainly played within Asia). So basically the whole or NA/Europe played CS. However now MOBA's are way more popular. Plus all the younger generations just play console games (COD) so they won't know about CS

2013-06-30 16:54

So how is it dumbed down? A few map props don't count as "dumbed down", movement which were originally bugs in the game is not counted as "dumbed down", and recoil which is slightly different and is mastered by some people in the game currently and not yourself, is not counted as "dumbed down". .... Either that or perhaps get to the top of the scene and prove me how it is "dumbed down".

2013-06-30 16:54

5 replies

They don't understand what made CS great and they developed the games in mind to appease a wider casual audience. Don't say it isn't truth.

2013-06-30 16:59

4 replies

What made CS great?

2013-06-30 17:28

3 replies

Its incredible gameplay. Which other cs's haven't been able to recreate.

2013-06-30 18:04

2 replies

But what exactly. There's a lot of subjective 'oh the gameplay was fantastic, cs:go is garbage', but no one actually puts any qualitative answers down when asked that. Don't get me wrong I loved 1.6, I've played CS since the betas but I've learned to move on to GO.

2013-06-30 19:05

1 reply

It feels wrong. Check #290 for what I answered to Gumpster

2013-07-01 07:05

Fallewho?

2013-06-30 14:19

2 replies

you should know if you really like Counter Strike, but you that you get neither knows anything about the game, then you better shut your stupid mouth you have!

2013-06-30 16:55

1 reply

Hahauahahaha

2013-07-01 14:47

Obviously Valve agrees that their game doesn't worth support..

2013-06-30 14:21

4 replies

yet they've done more for CSGO than for 1.6, ever. Does that mean CSGO is worth more support than 1.6? lol

2013-06-30 14:41

2 replies

They never gave a fuck about cs 1.6, they got the rights for it and few years later they created a new game css, with the same "gameplay" bomb, hostage, CT, T (u know what i mean) The community got divided... It was succcesful from their point of view, obviously they made $$$ but after trying a couple of times the majority stayed with 1.6, big tournaments saw that too. What i'm trying to say is that both games are dead now and people (especially 1.6 one) isn't used to this "mediocre game", they want more (emotions, a game that is worth spending the weekend watching some tournament at home). U said the comunity is full of trolls but i don't agree on it, I think its full of frustrated people.

2013-06-30 15:13

done more for csgo than 1.6? um BETA 1.0 BETA 1.1 BETA 1.2 BETA 2 BETA 2.1 BETA 3.0 BETA 3.1 BETA 4.0 BETA 4.1 BETA 5 BETA 5.2 BETA 6.0 BETA 6.1 BETA 6.2 BETA 6.5 BETA 6.6 BETA 6.7 BETA 7.0 BETA 7.1 Version 1.0 Version 1.1 Version 1.1c Version 1.3 Version 1.4 Version 1.5 Version 1.6 also they didnt even create cs, they bought it. you see it, dont you? they bought the original cs and made it to complete utter shit afterwards. cscz, css, csgo

2013-06-30 19:28

lol pwnd by #52

2013-06-30 14:56

True . and they should listen to community

2013-06-30 14:22

"In Europe, LAN events are few and far between, and their prize purses are considerably smaller than those that a host of 1.6 tournaments used to have in the past, prompting fears about the lack of sustainability of professional teams. Only earlier in the week GameGune announced that for the first time in the event's history, it would not be hosting a Counter-Strike tournament." Are you sure MIRAA, we had a steady Spring season where teams were complaining of the schedule congestion, there were 7 weeks with nearly 9 events, meanwhile this Summer LAN season is seeing regular events dishing out cash. I will also challenge that ESL have been relaunching EPS across the contintent recently with EPS in France (not to mention EPS France had been dead for 2 years as their last recorded season was 2011). Also the fact that ESL have got plans for a UK EPS judging by their recent ESL UK Community posting, again ESL UK has been dead for three years. I don't get the negative vibe from the post in the slightest as it's all one sided which seems to fuel the usual trolls who want to see 1.6 come back and CSGO die.

2013-06-30 14:22

8 replies

I guess you didn't pay any attention to 1.6 when it was played.

2013-06-30 14:40

7 replies

I did. It's obvious you didn't catch any of the points I noted. I will leave it there, as I know your own history ;)

2013-06-30 15:01

5 replies

Well it's blatantly obvious you don't because the current CSGO scene has nothing on 1.6.

2013-06-30 15:04

4 replies

"has nothing on 1.6" in the latter part of it's blessed era yeah, against the beginning of 1.6, it is far superior. Learn your history and know exactly what the hell I am getting at before spouting your dribble.

2013-06-30 15:09

3 replies

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2013-06-30 18:58

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So, you basically backed up my point. Currently 2013 will have handed out over €500k. That is not taking into account the fact that eSports is far more different to when CS began in the sense that FPS was the king, and now it isn't. By the way, my current list does not include undecided prize purses. That is €500k of what we know.

2013-06-30 19:10

1 reply

=))

2013-06-30 19:23

+1. At summer tournament every 2nd weekend, I loved it <3

2013-06-30 15:45

ZZZ no one is forcing anyone to play ,go quit fallen.

2013-06-30 14:22

4 replies

Spacker logic at it's finest. Since when weren't people allow to criticize a game?

2013-06-30 14:27

3 replies

As long as it isn't 1.6, right?

2013-06-30 15:28

2 replies

There was genuinely not much to criticize much in 1.6 it prospered for 10years with IEM, WCG e-Stars Seoul and endless international events. don't be so bitter you covered and played the dead game.

2013-06-30 15:53

1 reply

I covered 1.6 too. It was fun.

2013-06-30 15:58

Well, as much as we could use the help from Valve. I highly suggest against "The International", since that could lead to depending on it and ruining other tournaments. Think about it, if there's over 1-2 million prize money every year; then why would teams go to tournaments for 10k? They would spend all their time preparing for that one major tournament, especially the top teams. If there's no top teams in tournaments then there will be a lack in viewers, if there's a lack of interest then there will be a lack of tournaments at all. If Valve decides to STOP The International after a few years, it will pretty much damage the scene as no one will want to play for such low prizes after that. I am sure there will be other opinions about this and I am sure there are some valid reasons for it, but that's just my opinion on that specific matter. As for faster updates and better tweaking for the community, I agree that they should do more of an effort on that hand. I really wouldn't mind if they try to at least market the game more as well, give it a boost.

2013-06-30 14:26

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I agree, DotA2 teams are exactly that currently. Whilst they do have DH in their plans, they use it as a testing ground for new strats in prep for TI. I'd love to see Valve perhaps host a side tournament, with the Top 8/16 in the world competing for $100k perhaps and therefore it wouldn't be "depending" on the tournament, but giving the scene a significant boost in the process, whilst promoting this. In order for this to happen, Valve need to make CS purely F2P, and charge for spectator tickets like their successful DotA2 model.

2013-06-30 14:27

2 replies

We need hats!

2013-06-30 17:14

dota2 scene is not like this get a fucking clue first saucer, then you can talk shit

2013-06-30 22:00

Well thats an interesting point, never really thought about it. Anyways, hard to believe that teams would pass over the events that has 10k+ prize money, considering it is still fairly good money, if they are not that far away to travel. If there would be a similar thing to League's of Legends LCS, where world's top 8team are participating in it, while others play in subsidiary tournaments, like Dreamhack, EMS and etc. would only make the game more attractive. The more prize money -> more players -> more viewers -> bigger community imo.

2013-06-30 14:35

"Think about it, if there's over 1-2 million prize money every year; then why would teams go to tournaments for 10k?" Betting on the fact that you are going to win the hardest tournament in the world, only because you trained for it more than the others is ballsy but also very stupid. I don't think it will ever happen in csgo, as it never happened in dota2 aswell, every top team is still playing in other tournaments because of money, and playing against other great teams.

2013-06-30 14:42

2 replies

Would you like to hear "they're saving tactics for IT" every time a team loses for 11 months of the year? What people do the rest of the year is valid of course, but the amount of dedication would be different. The amount of viewers as well considering how tiny these tournaments would be in comparison, and we're a small community as it is. It's not like LoL where you could rack up 70,000 viewers for something minor, we struggle on 20,000 every time we have one of our most prestigious events.

2013-06-30 14:47

1 reply

"Would you like to hear "they're saving tactics for IT" every time a team loses for 11 months of the year?" That would be pretty annoying indeed :P

2013-06-30 14:56

dude, they can create a "season" just like league of legends A series of qualifications and tournaments and one last tournament with a big prize money. Lets say we make multiple qualifications in america in Europe in Asia with 10k for first place, and then the world finals with 50k first place. I can ensure u no1 will skip dreamhack or anything else. As soon as the game get bigger and bigger season 2 will feature bigger prize money, and tournaments like dreamhack will give more prize money couse it has high amount of viewers.

2013-06-30 16:14

We need a system like in Tennis, with 4 prestigious major tournaments, a dozen of lesser major tournaments, and a hundred of small minor tournaments. The whole thing spread throughout the year.

2013-06-30 16:20

2 replies

Agreed, but with the amount of tournaments around, who would hold the "prestigious major tournaments"?

2013-06-30 16:52

1 reply

Well Dreamhack has two already, with summer and winter, ESWC that makes three, missing only one, could be a Mad Catz, a big one. All of these would need to have standards regarding the number of teams, the qualifiers, the format, etc... Prize money as well. I mean, only 10 teams like ESWC 2012 is not enough. Would be nice to have 32 teams at least in the final tree, and pay the teams travel costs at least, so we can see Asia, South America, etc...

2013-06-30 17:21

Not quite true, some of your arguments do have a point indeed. The removal of the 1M$ tournament known as "The International" will damage the scene, but that wont make the people quit the game just because there are only low prizes tournaments left. The only reason why Dota2 is successfull as it is, it's because the community supports and backs it up. If there was no love and passion towards the game from the community, the game would've die till now. I'm not saying that the 1M tournament didnt contribute, it did contribute indirectly and somehow improved the community, but that wasnt the reason of Dota2's success. Speaking for Dota2, even if Valve decides to stop hosting The International, the game wont be played by less people. Even before Dota2 get released, dota1's scene was so big, and attracted by major sponsors. One of the major reasons why Valve are supporting DotA2 more than CS, is because the community is larger, for example, dota has ALOT of chinese players, ALOT of russian players. You cant compare the numbers of the Russian and Chinese players that play CS, with the numbers of Chinese and Russian players that play DotA. Speaking for CS:GO, or generally about CS, the community was never that big, and there were alot of douches backstage, which werent committing that much to the game, which led to this, Valve shifting focus towards other games, leaving CS:GO nowhere in the Esports scene. But i highly doubt that this is the end of CS:GO ;)

2013-06-30 17:24

well after the CSGO was released I thought that it will get better and better and eventually will marge a 1.6 and CSS communities into the one. Unfortunately from what i hear and read on internet it's not likely to happen. Starting from the changes that community has been asking for a long time (like silencer, recoil etc.), DaZeD efforts, dropouts from the tournaments and the list goes on. I really wonder how dumb people in Valve really are. Of course we dont have all the insights whats going on, but from community stand point the developers are totally clueless.. Thank guys like cArn, who does more than he supposed to to help the game grow.. This is just plain ridiculous

2013-06-30 14:24

3 replies

Hidden Path Entertainment are main developers of CSGO.

2013-06-30 14:42

1 reply

Didnt know that, but it does not change the fact that developers cant do shit to make the game better, either it its Valve of Hidden Path Entertainment.

2013-06-30 14:46

In my opinion: in order to make this game go huge its more about the movement being the monumental issue. When the movement is more precise (less clumpsy) with stronger airstrafe accelerations etc - paying off especially for those with great teqniques (like 1.6), then the maps like inferno_ce, Mirage_ce and so on will make optimum competition satisfaction for those who whant a game with another decisive element. I mean, like it is with todays movement pattern - restricted, cramped, just weird.. etc, then narrow maze map-versions like inferno_se "makes sense" with CS: GO i guess. But i dont think Counter-Strike is THAT intresting any longer bcuz its simply TO aimbased. The beautyful movement is just not there. I just mean with the movement in 1.6 you had so many more options to use it to your favour along with your very own playstyle, wich put it in a completly another uniqeness than CS: GO at current status. edit: and a positive effect coming out of this will be a game more favourable for great team chemestry, yeah, more tactical as whole. Isnt it the way we whant Counter-Strike to be(?) Okey..... thx for me

2013-06-30 15:13

Well... Although WCG is kinda sucky, CS:GO still sucks to be in big tournaments. It's reasonable why Fallen is mad (he mad cuz can't win anything), still no one won't listen to him cuz of this: "Source is more tatical than 1.6" <--- RLY?? How can someone say this? WTF?! Btw, Valve doesn't care about CS:GO (at least, that's what I think). Remember that Valve made 1.6 and then it was thrown away. We(players) picked it us but made it big. Now, they are making it again but with CS:GO, Unfortunely to the competitive scene, the game won't have the same destiny. (I don't believe it will get far,imo) Why? The community is requesting vital(?) changes in the game and they(Valve developers) don't care. Instead they are adding "bs"(some of them are not) that ruins the game. If Valve doesn't listen to community, the game will be dead. PS:I'm no CS:GO hater. Just saying what I have in mind about this (and for those who don't understand, this is just an opinion)

2013-06-30 14:30

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Well if Valve doesn't care, then make Hidden Path Entertainment care, because they are the main developers of CSGO, while Valve is their publisher (though they still have developers here and there). And Valve didn't "made 1.6". It was actually a mod for Half-Life made by community. And only then Valve bought the license to market and/or modify it.

2013-06-30 14:46

1 reply

HPE has no part in CS:GO anymore, quit spreading that around. They designed the core game and handed it off to Valve awhile back.

2013-06-30 17:34

im pretty sure all he meant by saying source was more tactical is that the aiming skill is much more even among pros than in 1.6, so to defeat other teams you have to have better tactics since everyone can aim as well as everyone else

2013-06-30 15:11

Valve supporting only dota2

2013-06-30 14:26

1 reply

TF2 aswell

2013-06-30 14:42

Valve about CSGO from the Begining. Gabe Newell Interview about Dota 2 and Go youtube.com/watch?v=nwykfbgyc98 [CS:GO] Chet Faliszek Interview youtube.com/watch?v=fk_3bdLjKys

2013-06-30 14:28

inb4 sauce noobs

2013-06-30 14:32

We can barely top 15,000 viewers for certain LAN events... As quoted from JFK 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what YOU can do for your country' now just take out country and add CSGO and you get the picture. Valve isn't going to give a community that can't figure out what game to play anything... We have as big of a community as DotA/LoL/SC2 yet we can't even come close to the stream levels they get... FalleN just dribbles and babbles on about shit lately.. CSGO won't be shit until the community starts supporting it more. End of.

2013-06-30 14:38

2 replies

Community would support the game if the game was a community favorite. Guess what it isn't.

2013-06-30 16:26

Precisely. Its funny how suddenly its Valve's fault, 1.6 didn't need any of that, know why? Because people actually supported it instead of wasting time criticizing some other game. Valve won't be able to push CSGO down the throats of brazillians, they want to play 1.6 forever, and its funny that Fallen complains about it, cause in his Facebook page there is CSGO bashing on a daily basis, yet he doesn't stand against it.

2013-06-30 16:37

so don't play CSGO competetive. You still won't make a living from it, especially in Brazil.

2013-06-30 14:42

11 replies

He makes more money than top csgo players. He has his own gaming academy and gets salary from his sponsors. I heard he gives 1.6 lessons to hundreds of gamers.

2013-06-30 14:44

10 replies

i really doubt he makes more money from NiP on his gaming academy than they do by winning every lan tournament. i would be impressed if this were true

2013-06-30 15:14

9 replies

Ofc, NiP was "sponsored" by Valve haha Valve was unfair with the others team. CSGO was basicly tested by NiP, while it was in the developing phase. Ofc they would have a big advantage after CSGO's release. Anyway, FalleN do more money with CS than the majority of europeans.

2013-06-30 16:06

4 replies

Oh Jesus are you serious?

2013-06-30 16:37

2 replies

Is it a lie? I didnt see any other team testing CSGO before its release or even the beta phase.

2013-06-30 16:42

1 reply

Then you didn't look hard enough, there were something like 10,000+ beta keys distributed and fairly easy to get one.

2013-06-30 17:36

What are you even talking about you have no clue. Pretty much every pro got early access to the beta.

2013-06-30 16:43

he does make more money than nip players,and with way less efort/time ;)

2013-07-02 00:07

3 replies

prove it

2013-07-02 02:02

2 replies

prove it that i need to prove it

2013-07-02 02:05

1 reply

claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. carry on

2013-07-02 09:26

Just 1.6, the best gameplay csgo need ultra mega patch, change all

2013-06-30 14:44

8 replies

An ultra mega patch won't do anything... when will people realize it isn't the game, but the community playing it?

2013-06-30 14:46

4 replies

are you stupid? a patch would encourage more people to play it and therefore more people to watch it.

2013-06-30 14:49

3 replies

yes add a silencer and 80% of the community will play it. Someone actually did a poll of that once, the question was this. "If Valve added the silencer to CS:GO instead of gameplay updates, would you play CS:GO?" The answer was 79% voted for yes, and 21% no. It was incredibly funny to read that, as the community we have are so fickle.

2013-06-30 15:07

2 replies

that number is only interesting if you knew which % of those people were already playing csgo and which % aren't

2013-06-30 15:15

1 reply

Yeah, maybe one day I would throw up a poll somewhere to see who doesn't play it, and would they be woo'd in to play CSGO if the silencer was added.

2013-06-30 15:18

1.6 the best, but it wont get to tournaments again.. so its GG Fps gameZ

2013-06-30 14:57

CSS is the best game.

2013-06-30 15:04

1 reply

best of the worse

2013-07-02 00:08

counterstrike is a pretty dead in the water esport, nobody finds it fun or rewarding to play and it shows in the playerbase. unless a huge investor comes back such as Arablet there won't be much going on anymore.

2013-06-30 14:48

They are cumming on Dota (yesterday updating game 1 hour), but not give a f*ck for us who are playing CS:GO. I thought that my country has the farest server in the world (Split-Wienna 800km, ping 55) but then Brazil 150 ping wtf are u doing Valve ?

2013-06-30 14:56

well done

2013-06-30 14:57

WELL SAID!

2013-06-30 15:00

n11111 falleN!

2013-06-30 15:00

CS:GO isn't a competitive game, it shouldn't be played competitively. It was SPOON FED with its current competitive scene thanks to 1.6 dying competitively. Unlike 1.6, CS:GO did not work its way up to the top of the eSports scene. It never will. CS:GO has had more support from Valve than 1.6 did in its prime. This is exactly what I had been writing over a year ago when everybody was changing over. CS:GO is a "fun" game that looks mediocre+ at best. It's a perfect game to be played casually. With THAT intention in mind, Valve moves forward with this franchise. The amount of people STARTING to play CS:GO after watching a stream at an eSports event is slim to none. Hell, Nerd3 channel playing 'Father and Son' on CS:GO gets more players to buy CS:GO. There is a massive difference. Valve gets NOTHING out of how big the game is competitively so I doubt Valve is even bothered. That is precisely why they came up with this semi-competitive/casual game anyway. The other argument is that CS:GO is only new. No it's not. It's an OLD game that only attracts and appeals to CS 1.6, CZ or CS:S players. Thanks to 1.6 majorly and slightly to CS:S perhaps, the 'Counter Strike' title still has some value to it, which declines day by day right from the release to CZ all the way to CS:GO. It's only because of that Valve are able to release a new title in this franchise and it still gets a following which also seems to be shrinking now. Similar to the Assassin's Creed franchise Valve will release a new title (probably not every year like AC) but often perhaps in the gap of 3-4 years and they will be even more casual friendly rather than competitive. This will maximise their profits as much as possible because the CS community on the whole is like a cult and will buy it regardless. However, for the extra sales to happen, they will make it more casual and dare compete against BF and COD franchise with other bigger franchises now joining like the new Titan game. Gumpster's post about new LANs coming up is irrelevant as they are not significant. This Raidcall LAN has any significance? I doubt. It's just 'another tournament' with a wee bit of prize pool. So what happens when a new CS title is released? CS:GO is too weak to take a blow like that. They will actually compete against each other. Not to forget, you guys remember how Valve was supportive of the competitive scene last year with all the interviews with pros, listening to the professional players, game play videos, tips etc. Where have they gone now? Oh right, everybody who's be interested in it has already purchased CS:GO (mainly 1.6 and CS:S players). The weekly discounts have happened.... everything has been exhausted. It's now time to appeal to the casual players and introduce shitty things like 'Operation Payback' that essentially reduces their costs to their employees. They have also introduced the cards thing which nobody is even bothered about. Game is dying oh and I am not paying for professional player's expenditure. Just sit back play it casually as 98% of us do, watch a tiny LAN every weekend and watch it die.

2013-06-30 15:03

15 replies

156k isn't significant. Wow. What am I reading?

2013-06-30 15:08

14 replies

Not really.

2013-06-30 15:12

13 replies

So 156k more than most LANs in 1.6 isn't significant. That logic.

2013-06-30 15:13

12 replies

Yawn. No it's not. IEM with 100k was more significant. Message me when CS:GO is on IEM. Edit: Also, where do the numbers come from? Anything reliable perhaps?

2013-06-30 15:28

4 replies

$156,000 is the prize money being handed out in the RaidCall EMS One this year.

2013-06-30 15:34

3 replies

Read my post again, doesn't make it significant. Edit: #128

2013-06-30 15:43

2 replies

Oh I'm just referring to the edit you made, thought you were unsure where the "156k" comes from.

2013-06-30 15:51

1 reply

Sorry, I misunderstood.

2013-06-30 16:09

What? 156k throughout A WHOLE YEAR and not just 1 event. So EMS one is basically like 4 lans. Thats 39k for 1 event. More than most (major) 1.6 lans i heard ... oh wait.

2013-06-30 15:30

1. 82k 2. 105k 3. 100k 4. 82k 5. 65k 6. 81,8k And thats only the IEM WCS. Yeah..."more than most LANs in 1.6" ... i lold.

2013-06-30 15:36

5 replies

just ignore that Gumpster guy he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

2013-06-30 16:14

4 replies

You still here? Jeez you must be getting bored repeating dribble?

2013-06-30 16:50

3 replies

Please enlighten us with your great knowledge of 1.6.

2013-06-30 17:00

fuck off brit saucer

2013-07-02 00:09

1 reply

looooooool!

2013-07-02 00:23

n111 FALLEN

2013-06-30 15:05

its a pretty shit game tbh, with about 50% less skill than 1.6. Its made for pub rands imo

2013-06-30 15:15

csgo stillborn.

2013-06-30 15:30

"OMG, YOU SAID SAUCE WAS BETTER, STFU YOU NOOB" HLTV.org in a nutshell. @topic i saw some people saying he should just support the game or stop playing it. teams like playArt and TeamTD are the only thing that keeps cs:go alive here in brazil in terms of "pro scene". the fact is: we have NOTHING TO SUPPORT. we don't have many players interested in the game, therefore we don't have many sponsors to support championships and help teams grow. f**k, we don't even have SOUTH AMERICAN MM SERVERS(every time we have to play on american servers with 150~200 ping, and if you don't speak english, you're just gonna get votekicked or they're gonna keep mocking you...), and i swear, there are ALWAYS south american players in MM american servers. it's pretty hard to keep supporting a game under those conditions, but we still do. even the number #1 e-sports site here in brazil is now more interested in LoL and other crappy games like CrossFire or Point Blank, but i can't blame them, since we barely have a brazilian cs:go scene to be covered...

2013-06-30 15:45

hltv.org/news/6657-fallen-css-is-more-ta..

2013-06-30 15:56

Congratulations Valve u fucking killed us... are you happy now?

2013-06-30 15:59

Maybe he should stick with source. Its more tactical than 1.6 :D na seriously its always easier to bitch about something. Basicly he wants valve to invest more time and money into it.... Give it to them and they might consider doing it. Its clearly that Dota2 and their valve box are their priorities over cs:go You should be thankful that they even bothering with updating/patching cs:go. If its useful or not is another question. But other publishers just throw their game on the market and give a fuck about glitches or bugs. I had doesnt of discussions with people loving valve for caring about the game and patching them. But we know it better they patch what they want they dont really hear on the community all the time. At least not on the competitive and thats why fallen bitches about it. But he may has to realise that the focus of a game is it to sell always good and not to pleasure a small competitive scene who already bought the game.

2013-06-30 16:08

5 replies

"You should be grateful with a low quality product witch doesn't offer any support from his developer." Yes, you are probably right, sir. =]

2013-06-30 16:13

4 replies

well the developers support the product with updating and patching it. You cant argue about that. As i said how good these updates are is another question/discussion :D I dont think people realise a few things. Look at other publishers and their agreements if you buy a game online you cant even give it back. Your money is gone. No matter what. And they dont have to care of patching their games. At Steam/Valve we have seen different examples. But in the end they want to sell their games to as many people as possible. And i mentioned that dozens of times. Its not about me you and fallen. Is about the majority which seems to be a bunch of casuals which just want to have a bit of fun. These people cant care if the game is balance or not. They dont invest a lot of time to find out glitches and other tricks. They dont care about the competitve side and stuff like that. A japanese guy explained that here on hltv pretty well. How these 2 communities think.

2013-06-30 16:21

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But, develop a CS franchise without care about a competitive scene is just senseless. Once the game is played in a big event, more people will have the oportunity to like it and buy it, thats why the game's publishers want a game into a big event. It looks like Valve just wants to put the minimun effort onto CSGO and take advantage from the CS' popularity. I think thats dirty.

2013-06-30 16:40

2 replies

lets be honest with you. As a publisher and developers do you care more about the a few people or about the money? You got a point with the events. But the events wont get any bigger than that. There are other fps which get a part of the cake. the FPS genre is not growing anymore. Infact moba and rts games take over. Theres a reason why cs;go is so cheap and people expect so much of it.

2013-06-30 16:46

Yet they sold the game for R$20,00 on its launch. Holy shit, thats some ripoff we got here.

2013-06-30 17:13

well, more pro players should step up TBH. DaZeD already did it, we need more euros now, what's up with the euro community?

2013-06-30 16:18

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2013-06-30 16:18

I played 1.6, most of my friends played 1.6 but I also had a few friends who played CS:S. Everyone except two of my friends who barely touches a computer anymore tried CS:GO. When it came out I thought it was shit. The further the development of it went the more I enjoyed it. However it's nowhere near a good game, it's getting better but that's not enough. It doesn't have the uniq feeling 1.6 had, CS:GO just feels like any other fps game. I don't play it anymore and I know of no one who plays it either. None of my friends and no acquaintances. I tune in to watch the tournaments when I can. But only because I enjoy the scene and the competing aspect that sometimes remind me of the old 1.6 days - surely it's a bit of nostalgia involved. I don't think 1.6/Source fight is relevant. A game doesn't have to be the sole one of that genre to be successful. DotA 2, HoN and LoL are proof of that. 1.6 could be run on pretty much any computer, CS:GO can't. CS:Source and 1.6 scene is now together the CS:GO scene. No kids are intersted in it. Friends little brothers or distant younger cousins (born 96-97 or later) have no idea what CS is. It's a "meh"-game.

2013-06-30 16:21

1 reply

2013-07-01 11:56

time to support csp :)

2013-06-30 16:21

respect to this guy!! valve should promote more the game like riot did with lol..

2013-06-30 16:21

11 replies

and they do with dota2 dont they?

2013-06-30 16:22

10 replies

don't know,but they need to do w/ csgo..

2013-06-30 16:39

9 replies

yeah if cs:go has 300k players on daily basis they may consider it

2013-06-30 16:46

8 replies

lol valve never promote csgo like they did with dota2 i think..

2013-06-30 17:39

7 replies

then have a look around youtube. made plenty of interviews and advetisment with them.

2013-07-01 00:11

6 replies

...

2013-07-01 00:16

5 replies

youtube.com/user/Valve/videos and there are dozens of interview from valve devs talking to esea, hltv, gamespot, cadred and so on

2013-07-01 00:23

4 replies

nice promote...

2013-07-01 02:09

3 replies

.... youtube.com/watch?v=edYCtaNueQY .... Yeah 3million views is clearly not enough we need justing bieber fans to watch it :D

2013-07-01 03:31

2 replies

u call that promote? seriously? u dont know what i'm trying to tell you!! bye..

2013-07-01 04:38

1 reply

bye :D

2013-07-01 18:25

Valve's response to FalleN - youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0

2013-06-30 16:23

1 reply

Its not funny because Valve already replied Fallen youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8

2013-06-30 16:27

1.6 is the best game of this genre and CSGO is far away from what I experienced back in the days. One thing that makes 1.6 so good is because it's simple/plain in a special way.. thats lost in csgo. i'm not against new additions at all but what the game needs is Quality and Counter-Strike already suffered with the release of CS:Source. We all / I know that 1.6 is better than CS:Source and valve just gives us a game that is more similar to CS:Source than to 1.6 Well done. Valve should support dota2 and people with passion should deal with - Counter-Strike - rip cs

2013-06-30 16:27

stopped reading after "Valve was not capable of fighting for a place for CS:GO at WCG"

2013-06-30 16:31

1 reply

You know developers can sign deals with events to have his games on it right? thats what tencent does with LoL.

2013-07-01 15:17

valve are doing too much things wrond and dont want to listen to gamers like mirage the new map sucks tooo much they are doing thing like they want .......

2013-06-30 16:34

1 reply

Casual-Strike: Global Offensive

2013-06-30 16:38

guys theere is not only brazil's scene who is also dead but north africa ...... Algeria has a very wonderful players bellive me i know them

2013-06-30 16:37

1 reply

haha

2013-07-01 04:04

Valve only cares about DotA2, the next big thing in eSports.

2013-06-30 16:40

This summer end csgo. no more competitions, csgo is for retards, thanks valve

2013-06-30 16:40

2 replies

There is DHW, ESWC, Dubai, NorthCon, still to come post September ;) So incorrect.

2013-06-30 16:50

1 reply

Tryhard

2013-07-01 15:15

this true is 1.6 > all CSS wtf this is sucks CS:GO to hell that shit

2013-06-30 16:56

3 replies

See? Thats the average brazillian. Now you're Gabe Newell for one day, answer sincerely: would you give a fuck for people like these?

2013-06-30 17:11

2 replies

if they gave him the money he couldnt give a damn

2013-07-02 00:12

1 reply

Oh, but I didn't expect anything more than a new game. I didn't even knew matchmaking existed in the new game before I pre ordered it, and to tell the truth I don't care, I can play mixes with my friends, I can play on community servers, thats how Counter Strike ever was for me, anything else is a bonus.

2013-07-02 02:01

Big words Fallen, for a guy that keeps supporting the shitty 1.6 Brazillian community selling lessons to a lot of noob teams, even streaming them here on hltv. Maybe try, as a GO pro gamer, advising the people you take money from to switch to GO. Else you pass for a hypocrite. That said i agree with with everything you said.

2013-06-30 17:32

1 reply

so dumb looooooooooooooooooool,you're a disgrace noob teams?i bet you are worse than them,you dont understand shit of competitive counter strike,any decent player from fallen's "school" would kick your ass,by3

2013-07-02 00:13

i don't think focusing on competitive scenes is the answer for this of course we all want to see big tournament every weekend but that's because we are already here in the scene i think the first step is to get more people playing the game if more people playing everything else will follow more teams will start more new faces to come in more tournaments will pick up cs and more fun and excitement for us now how can we do that?

2013-06-30 17:37

1 reply

F2P is the most obvious answer, and there are some rumors that Valve is going for it. The question right now is how will they get money from a F2P CSGO, at least enough to sustain itself.

2013-06-30 17:41

this guy is a sellout, scamming brazilians noobs for cs classes lmao

2013-06-30 17:52

CSGO is a dead game this shit can't survive without the asian and north american scene, it's never will be big like 1.6 just with the boring european nip camp wins

2013-06-30 18:02

N1 FalleN :)

2013-06-30 18:06

There are two reasons why cs:go doesn't have big turnaments like before. First is that is community it's not big enough to bring sponsors that would help teams etc. Not many company want to put money to show that not many people will watch. Why Valve don't support much cs:go? Well why should they? Not many people is playing and they have no way on making money on game. People say look at Dota2 why cs can't get support like dota2 gets? Well, dota 2 have shop that makes money for valve so development of game bring more money. So cs:go ......? CS:GO do not have way of making money mainly because most of players comes from times WHEN EVERYTING IS FOR FREE so everytime when they see that there somthing they would have to pay they cry and that's where the story ends. So hoping that valve or any company will be martyr for game with small always crying community that looks on any kind of development lika if it was some kind of cancer then you get what you have now.

2013-06-30 18:20

nice

2013-06-30 18:23

The community has to make the game big and not VALVe. Everybody knows that CSP is a big failure but why don't they just work on a similiar project for CS:GO now? With a faster pace obviously. VALVe won't make the game as the pro community want and I don't understand why we rely on them.

2013-06-30 18:28

wp FalleN

2013-06-30 20:00

Great job FalleN, somebody needed to say that, i have been saying it, but im not you :(

2013-06-30 20:06

Valve should have realised by now that the Counter-Strike series is already stuck in "professional, skill-based FPS" and not the next CoD or Battlefield. Still, doesn't take an idiot to realise that Valve doesn't give half a dog shit about CS:GO compared to DotA or TF2.

2013-06-30 21:19

Well it was a good read, it's always good to read Fallen's POV in everything regarding CS. As for those saying the community needs to support this game in order to make it grow, that's not the way CS got to the top since forever. The community never supported CS from the shadows, it's all about a great game, a game that was pretty much always fun to play, the best FPS game (Quake was also amazing) and that's how it got into the top. There was never a blind support from anyone, and the community was way less than it is today (I've been here since GF, and believe me, it is true, we're huge by now). That's why you can't compare CS with DotA2 or LoL, it's path is completely different.

2013-06-30 21:47

Source is more tactical... Never read one piece of text from him since :)

2013-06-30 22:01

well done fln! valve shit!

2013-06-30 22:06

true "let's switch to CS:GO so we will have more tournaments and more prize money than before. the game will attract new people so CS will become even bigger" -> 1 year later: 70% of all tournaments have dropped CS, prize money became ridiculous low, the number of CS players has never been that that low, the number of viewers is catastrophic, ... that's what happens when you're dumb enough to not realize that this "new version of CS" is just a low-budget production, not good enough for competitive gaming and more over: also not appealing for the casual audience.

2013-06-30 22:14

Heh, seems the perfect time to finally release Promod and promote it... I wish it was true...

2013-06-30 22:15

1 reply

Haha, biggest fail of the century!

2013-07-01 10:19

FalleN =]

2013-06-30 22:47

GO have been wrong in every aspect of the word, since it was annouced. After the releasement, nothing changed: fail after fail. It's time for Valve to realize that they have so much things to fix, that it's better to start all over again from the sketches, and this time, making a game based on the gameplay and physics of 1.6. Let's remember what's happened with Windows: after a very sucessfull Windows XP, Microsoft released the garbage Windows Vista, it was a huge fail, they worked fast on a sucessor and just three years after (much sooner than expected), the great Windows 7 was released, and 95% of the bad things seen on Vista were fixed. That's what Valve should do. They should realize how bad the game is, and they should start working on a brand new game, maybe a "Counter-Strike 2", but the focus should be: REPLICATE THE DAMN COUNTER-STRIKE 1.6 GAMEPLAY. I lost my last hope on CS:GO a long time ago, this game won't go anywhere. I just hope Valve realize this as well.

2013-06-30 22:58

Like they could care less haha

2013-06-30 23:02

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2013-06-30 23:16

NICE FALLEN, I THINK THAT VALVE HAvE TO HEARD THE BEST CS:GO AND 1.6 PLAYER IN THE WORLD!

2013-06-30 23:29

maybe if everyone who mattered didn't blindly praise csgo during the beta instead of making sure vavle/hpe actually made a game that was good enough to replace cs 1.6 as the top competitive title. youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailp.. gj heeden

2013-06-30 23:49

1 reply

2013-07-01 00:06

Would be interesting to see how many of you fucking idiots actually play the game and how many have quit or moved to MOBA shite like dota and lol and just come here to whine and act like you still know what you're talking about, being a massive drain on the scene, despite not being active in the game since you whacked off over ninja defuses on de_cbble.

2013-06-30 23:54

20 replies

I'm one of the idiots playing LoL constantly. I just don't like CS:GO, nothing to do with gameplay or graphics, I just expected something different, a surprise, and it didn't pay off. I just feel like "well if this is what I get, I'd rather keep playing 1.6 with me old friends from thar" and I just keep playing 1.6 and ofc LoL because I'm really really good.

2013-07-01 01:31

19 replies

Cool, you don't like it, now what do you think about just forgetting about it and let people enjoy it?

2013-07-01 03:31

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I do actually. And the reason I'm here is the great community that HLTV is. And even tho the game means nothing to me, the franchise does, and you'll find me often watching the streams and checking the news posts, because I care about Counter Strike.

2013-07-01 06:41

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You say that the franchise means something to you, and you care about Counter Strike so there's a couple o facts: - CSGO is currently the only game capable of representing the franchise on the competitive scene. Maybe you think this is not true, well you're wrong, make a reality check and deal with it. - If you criticize CSGO like that (detrimental criticism instead of constructive), when you are actively trying to convince people that its not a good a game, that they shouldn't buy it and play it, you are hurting the franchise, and by extension the scene. Oh, and I'm not saying that you can't do it, you're free to say whatever you want, I'm just saying that it is childish, its no good for anyone, and it seems its inconsistent with your "For the scene!" stand. Thats exactly FalleN's position. He thinks the game sucks, he rather play 1.6, still he sticks around it and when people come up to him with "CSGO IS BAD, 1.6 FOREVER" he goes "YAY! DON'T BUY THAT SHIT!", and the next day he says Valve is to blame for the lack of interest of people in the game. No to mention that he charges money to teach noobs how to play a dead game, but I don't think thats out of bad intentions, is just that he thinks that 1.6 actually will come back. The big news is that the game doesn't suck, and its doing pretty well, actually, even with all its flaws. In fact, its doing better than 1.6 or source could ever do in the same situation, and it could do even better, only if most part of the community wasn't made of 20 year olds with 15's mentality.

2013-07-01 07:13

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Please try to drink some water before reading, I never said CSGO sucks, I explained myself pretty clear up there. Back when the alpha/beta transition was happening I did some criticism, and either HPE or Valve took it and make it to the stance it is now, as of right now I have nothing to say about it, hence I don't criticize it, less I'm trying to convince ppl of something, wtf?. If you always set for a defensive stasis you'll never get the point of hearing/reading. And ofc. when CS2 comes out, if I have the same feelings as I do now with CSGO, I'll stay the same. Everyone wanting this game or whatever to stand exactly the same as 1.6 should do what I do: play 1.6. That's all.

2013-07-01 15:57

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If thats not your case, then you replied to a comment thats not directed at you. See what ayekuf said.

2013-07-01 16:21

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Wrong, again. I explained the sitation of why I'm playing MOBA instead of FPS atm, and why it shouldn't be generalized as "x quited to MOBA and whines...". Maybe you didn't get the sarcasm out of it.

2013-07-01 23:53

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But you just said you don't just whine nor bad mouths it.

2013-07-02 01:47

9 replies

I wish I could answer what you just said, but you don't make any sense :S

2013-07-02 01:49

8 replies

ayekuf criticized players that just whine for the sake of it and that don't even play the game anymore, you replied like it was something directed at you. He didn't criticized people who've stopped playing counter strike, he criticized people who've stopped playing counter strike but are still whining about anything counter strike related, like making negative advertisement for the new games and hurting the community.

2013-07-02 01:54

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As I said, I dislike CSGO, and I'm playing LoL now, and just as me there's a bunch lot of people who might be in the same position and could be considered of "whiners" just for not blindly support a game they just don't like. I feel like I should ilustrate OP about that bunch of people. Like, being honest, there's such a small amount moaning about CSGO without even trying it, and nobody notices them, mostly trolls. Next time I'll try not to use sarcasm, since it sometimes misleads :/

2013-07-02 02:10

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Thats not about disliking, its about criticizing it for the sake of criticizing. Most people I know bash CSGO didn't even tried the game.

2013-07-02 02:17

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Well most people I know tried the game at least. You must know a lot of people tho.

2013-07-02 02:18

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Its about demographics too. If everyone that says CSGO is shit on FalleN's Facebook page actually bought the game, we would have a larger scene by now.

2013-07-02 02:27

3 replies

Well like we say in my country, "if my grandma had wheels, she'd be a wheelchair".

2013-07-02 02:55

2 replies

You didnt get the point, right? If everyone wasnt just complaining, but gave it a try, things would be different.

2013-07-02 03:19

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#351

2013-07-02 18:16

god you sound so butthurt,jesus fucking christ just shut the fuck up.tired of seeing your comments

2013-07-02 00:15

2 replies

Lol, you're pathetic, look at the kind of comments you do, and I'm the one butthurt here.

2013-07-02 01:49

1 reply

lolololol

2013-07-02 01:49

I really cant believe more pro players from 1.6 arent outraged at the game in its current state. For one the glock is OP as fuck. Its mentioned at every tournament, players mention it all the time. How long does it take to nerf it, even just a little bit.. Not to mention all the other blatant issues there are with the game. They are so obvious is unbelievable that they havent been fixed yet. Also in my opinion I feel if we want a legit CS, a new 1.6 style CS, they would have to make a completely new engine. Which obviously isnt an easy thing to do, but I think its necessary. All in all CS:GO isnt terrible. But it isnt the CS most of us what to play, as far as I can tell. I still play it now and then but each time I do I feel it has the potential but just isnt given the attention it needs to make it a good game. Only time will tell, but so far things have been pretty disappointing.

2013-07-01 00:54

Brazil 3 x 0 Spain

2013-07-01 01:34

I hope, Valve will wake up and give us great game.

2013-07-01 11:20

1 reply

2013-07-01 13:26

Valve, please wake up and deliver us some good updates that can satisfy the 1.6ers and the sourcers. Don't let the competitive fps die !!!!

2013-07-01 13:24

Funny thing that Valve will not give any Statement to all that review/critique.

2013-07-01 13:27

2 replies

What do you want them to say? "Sorry you obv. want something we never planned in the first place. Stop dreaming. Regards, Valve" Wtf...

2013-07-02 03:01

1 reply

Si , but what be nice :D

2013-07-02 10:32

game is pretty good but VALVE dont care about CS:GO, all focus is on fucking Dota 2...

2013-07-01 13:27

While u all are mad,DotA's The International 3 will feature the biggest prizepool in eSports history. and u still mad

2013-07-01 15:20

4 replies

Than go to your DotA Community.

2013-07-01 18:17

3 replies

2,5 million u so mad

2013-07-01 20:30

2 replies

go to DotA Community ;)

2013-07-01 20:33

1 reply

u mad cuz 20k prizepool for csgo lololo

2013-07-02 14:31

tibia rather play than dota

2013-07-01 21:24

1 reply

With this english, you probably dont even have an PC.

2013-07-02 14:32

gj FalleN! CS 1.6 > ALL! CS:GOVNO ebanoe!

2013-07-02 00:32

CS:GO fans getting mad in 3,2,1...

2013-07-02 02:35

CSGOing down day by day..

2013-07-02 04:03

CSGO reaks of valve not putting resources into it. They must only have around 2 people max working on it, and i would say they are part time, or micro-manage their time between csgo and other projects. The ratio of how many people play csgo, to how fast things get fixed, is ridiculously out of balance. How long did it take the deagle to get fixed?(when it did like 70+ in 1 shot.) Why do we not have 35 sec c4timer? Its been over a year, and these changes dribble out in slow motion. These changes are incredibly simple and things get continuously get overadjusted. It smacks of not enough dev staff and that the dev staff that make changes do not play the game.

2013-07-02 16:53

valve reaction youtube.com/watch?v=3WzB63CUOtc

2013-07-02 17:42

Well this was a respectfull critique of csgo in general,and ofc blind defenders found something "wrong" with it.The fact of the matter is,i really think everybody wants for cs to be big as before,and clearly this new direction(it actually isnt that new,it is just css in disguise,in one CRUCIAL gameplay element,that pretty much enables all the new changes to be even more viable)isnt what most people want.We can talk for hours why is that so,just like 1.6 is competitively dead,csgo was not a success with the masses.

2013-07-02 17:59