ESEA sticks to old map rotation

14-11-2013 21:21

ESEA have announced on their website that its fifteenth Invite season will stick to the original map rotation which features de_train_ve and de_mirage_ce.

ESEA originally announced plans to use Salvatore "Volcano" Garozzo's de_train_ve after it easily defeated de_train_se in a vote by its users back in early September.

After event organizers such as ESL, DreamHack and ESWC teamed up to start using the same map rotations to ease players' preparation for events, ESEA also had to do a doubletake.

The American organizers then organized two more votes on its website to help them determine the version of de_train and de_mirage to be used in the current season, with the originals prevailing.

This meams the final two maps of ESEA Invite Season 15 will be de_train_ve and de_mirage_ce, unlike many other tournaments. Full rotation is out on ESEA's website.

Nice :)

2013-11-14 21:21

nice!!!

2013-11-14 21:22

train_ve and mirage_ce lol

2013-11-14 21:23

good

2013-11-14 21:23

problem for pro teams, as they will have to practice both de_train and train_ve and same with mirage.

2013-11-14 21:23

24 replies

lol it's not that different, just throw some nades in a different angle...

2013-11-14 21:27

22 replies

so what the whole discussion is about flaming on valve's versions if it's not that different? :) It is different bro :P

2013-11-14 21:39

20 replies

training de_mirage, and de_mirage_ce isn't that big of a difference bro, difference is which is nicer to play.

2013-11-14 21:44

19 replies

you still have to prepare new tactics with new nades.

2013-11-14 21:50

18 replies

lol you're talking like it's an entirerly different map. It's not. Same tactics with a little bit different nades...

2013-11-14 21:53

17 replies

Not really, the angles are totally different aswell, since they have changed the shape and size on tons of objects and areas.

2013-11-14 22:05

I think that in the really high levels of play small things like that make a HUGE difference. Could be wrong though

2013-11-14 22:34

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I think you are right, real_estate_agent :)

2013-11-14 23:22

troll or stupid? the same tactics on mirage_ce do not work on valve mirage.. except the most basic default setups where u hold spots as T in the beginning. nothing else works like it used to, u cant throw smokes to b window/door from b house, u cant throw link smoke from t spawn, u cant flash a balcony from t slope, you cant plant on A like u used to before, link cant be smoked completely off if u go cat.. and on and on it goes.. and on train_ve its also completely different how you hold yard, how do you plant on the mid train etc etc etc and how u can counter all those things when u figure out it on T as a CT

2013-11-15 00:07

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you troll or tard? I said nades are different and you're talking about nades. It's not like we are comparing de_mirage and de_season here.

2013-11-15 00:13

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The thing is that you said it wasnt that big a deal and he said that you're probably trolling because it is a huge deal. And he is a 100% right.

2013-11-15 01:05

People with 0 clues, kinda annoying :-) You're right btw, the others are annoying

2013-11-15 01:35

3 replies

u r saying that those same tactics from _ce works on mirage? ASK ANY pro and u get the answer straight as a NO.

2013-11-15 02:45

2 replies

Because you did ask those pros right?

2013-11-15 03:25

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well I know some but what does it matter anyway, pointless discussion since esea sticks with em, vg and others state that they dont want the valve version and theres a big reason behind that as well. they just dont play out right. right now its like 13-2 2-13 (15-15) pretty much every time on valve mirage when two solid teams confront.

2013-11-15 03:51

i agree with u

2013-11-15 09:51

"Same tactics with a little bit different nades..."

2013-11-15 01:55

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and..? he said the same tactics work.. NO THEY DONT.

2013-11-15 02:47

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btw ure my fan

2013-11-15 15:11

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nope, Im fan of Romanian Wick3d ;)

2013-11-15 15:34

have you even seen the nade's potential on mirage_ce against mirage?

2013-11-15 12:29

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huh? I have played and made tactics to both maps. You are talking like _ce is a different map entirerly. It's not. It has different nadings but it's not the same as doing tactics to an entirerly new map...

2013-11-15 12:57

lol wut.. brainfart

2013-11-15 08:41

it's after all events other than SLTV.

2013-11-14 21:38

This meams

2013-11-14 21:23

gg valves money...

2013-11-14 21:24

Fight the power ESEA!

2013-11-14 21:24

finally someone listening to the community!

2013-11-14 21:24

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2013-11-14 23:05

Double the work. HF

2013-11-14 21:25

Every tourney around the world should do the same thing. Well done ESEA.

2013-11-14 21:26

It's cool that "old and gold" maps can be played but it's bad. Teams have to practise 2 versions of 1 map.

2013-11-14 21:28

great

2013-11-14 21:30

I don't think you know what double take means.

2013-11-14 21:30

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+1 lol

2013-11-14 21:58

mirage understandable, but train? why? bombsite is in even worse position.

2013-11-14 21:30

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One of the reasons why train is such a CT map is, that the bomb site was placed in the middle, giving you very few cover opportunities. A basic tac is to smoke each side of the site, and get at quick plant, leaving you with only connection and popdog to cover from. I hated that shit. The placement is far better, but I still think it should placed in the old site (the 4). Valves train version is a joke, after they updated it. You can see a pixel under the trains, but you cant shoot/grenade through. A bit lame imo. Have you even tried it? It is an AWESOME peak map. So open for battles, and the old awp connection battle is back.

2013-11-15 02:14

sweet but i was hoping for some new maps, cevo are being ballsy and have included contra in their map pool ;) i hope they pick a phew new maps next time

2013-11-14 21:30

9 replies

contra no1 world

2013-11-14 21:58

7 replies

once you know the map it's actually fun to play :) but confusing at first

2013-11-14 22:20

6 replies

Its like the worst map in terms of design ever..

2013-11-14 22:21

5 replies

i don't think so, playing and watching i always enjoy it.

2013-11-14 22:26

it's really fun, not necessarily the kind of map you would want to play a grand final on for $10000000

2013-11-14 22:32

1 reply

true, it was played at the last cph games for css in the group stage and some of the best matches was played on the map

2013-11-14 22:44

contra is the best

2013-11-15 11:11

1 reply

People sure like weird shit sometimes..

2013-11-15 11:18

contra is an awesome map :)

2013-11-15 01:08

2013-11-14 21:33

n1n1n1

2013-11-14 21:33

ESEA has always been the good guys in the CS scene (if you bring up bitcoins i will punch you)

2013-11-14 21:38

6 replies

esea omg bitcoin robbing bastards

2013-11-14 21:54

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not to mention their 'ac' that uploads/uploaded random programming files to their server from a users computer...

2013-11-14 22:01

This statement couldn't be less true rofl.

2013-11-14 23:06

1 reply

2013-11-15 04:26

Nice try, ESEA pr guy

2013-11-15 07:31

Good guy? If a people stealing your electricity and killing your computer is a good guy, then ESEA is a GOOD GUY!!! *sarcasm (before the smart people won't understand it)

2013-11-15 11:21

is it really hard to believe it's possible to play more than 1 version of a map on an international competitive level? ppl use to complain about more maps are needed, these different versions are the closest we are ever going to get to. It would be interesting to see teams using different strategies if they were to ever play 2 versions of the same map in a bo3.

2013-11-14 21:42

Expect more EU teams to quit the league.

2013-11-14 21:50

7 replies

this is retarded, they won't quit the league because of the maps to play. They play for the money after all.

2013-11-14 22:03

6 replies

The money ? the money left after they travel to Dallas ? Remind me how many EU teams went to the latest lan finals ? One : NiP. Why ? Because valve paid for the trip.

2013-11-14 23:03

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valve did not pay for their trip. rofl. they were just confident enough to know they will win and make a profit after their travel expenses / hotel etc

2013-11-14 23:13

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Believe what you want, at first they didn't want to go, the prize pool didn't cover the travel expenses. They beta tested the Arms Deal update and made some PR stuff for Valve, Valve paid the trip. You have no clue.

2013-11-14 23:24

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yes i remember now. though pretty sure without having the m4a1-s and other stuff in that update for them to playtest they would never have paid for the trip just out of the kindness of their hearts. it was more convenient that they had the ESEA finals to attend while valve were working on that patch. so yes i do have a clue. valve wont be paying for anything else for any team in the near future.

2013-11-15 03:00

They paid "consultancy money " which most prob am mounted to the flights to america lulz

2013-11-15 12:34

Yes but the news is about the maps, why are you talking about this lol, this is why I was wondering.

2013-11-14 23:28

great!:)

2013-11-14 21:53

Nice :-)

2013-11-14 21:58

nice.

2013-11-14 22:00

Good job ESEA! But I think it's hard to fight vs. Valves money, they are forcing tourneys to use their shitty versions. I swear god every would play train_ve instead of train, and same goes for mirage of course. Why Valve doesn't take Volcano as official map modifer? They are so fucking obstinate with their own maps. I don't know where that comes from. They want to show to community that they can make maps too? Every version Volcano has made is a lot better than Valves version. We saw that on nuke and Valve made the change. After that I thought Valve has something sense on these things and would take Volcanos train too but no...

2013-11-14 22:03

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+1 We need more creative in maps like the old greatest maps, like aztec, dust2, nuke, train, inferno. Nowadays they only make maps full of box and sheds. What about a little bit of creative Valve? I think Volcano is the one for this changes.

2013-11-14 22:22

_ce all the way but imo train > _ve

2013-11-15 00:09

Thank god

2013-11-14 22:06

I just wish they'd ditch seasons.

2013-11-14 22:07

nice to see train_ve in competitive matches

2013-11-14 22:08

awesome!

2013-11-14 22:08

But where is de_tuscan? :<

2013-11-14 22:09

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2013-11-14 22:37

hopefully valve takes volcanos edits on train like they did with nuke

2013-11-14 22:22

"This _meams_ the final two maps of ESEA..." xD

2013-11-14 22:29

Moronic and childish to divide the community over their sad userbase.

2013-11-14 22:37

And another step toward isolating the US from the European scene. Well played, ESEA.

2013-11-14 22:40

gj guys! GOGO SLTV, AND OTHER TOURNAMENTS!

2013-11-14 23:00

Nice!

2013-11-14 23:14

I don't like it

2013-11-14 23:23

yeeahh!!! NICEE ! !!

2013-11-14 23:36

valve add de_mirage_ce on competive mode please.

2013-11-15 00:26

this is just ridiculous with all the those maps -_- Use 1 map in every tournament and dump the rest and play them at home. All events should use the same map pool so all the teams can practice on one map and not 2 or 3 different maps

2013-11-15 00:27

amazing!

2013-11-15 00:35

I don't understand people saying "Good job ESEA". There should be like a big meeting with Valve, ESEA and others to have an agreement and have one final version of each map in every tournament. Besides that I think train and mirage will be veto and never played in ESEA 15 europe (already true). I like the effort that ESEA is doing with both pro players and community but it's not like they are alone (>Valve).

2013-11-15 00:45

Flame much if you want, but I dont think that this is a good idea. If we play the other versions on public, Id sure like it better if they used just these on pro leagues and tournaments as well. People always flame about the new stuff, but when they are forced to play it, they soon realize that its not too bad.

2013-11-15 01:09

Good fuck valve's mirage

2013-11-15 01:21

I'm indifferent to whichever map but it's ridiculously stupid to have 2 versions of the same map being played.

2013-11-15 01:43

great! fuck valve`s mirage

2013-11-15 01:57

good , fuck valve's mirage

2013-11-15 05:28

Valve mirage bad

2013-11-15 05:50

I feel like Valve's Mirage is just under appreciated because the other version came first. I'm neutral with this decision, and I realize it has a lot of professional backing, but what if Valve's version came first? Everybody would just learn to accept it.

2013-11-15 07:12

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nahh.. Even if it did, the textures are better for eyes view.. The Valve mirage is really messy.

2013-11-15 10:25

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I understand that, and agree, but it can also be said about the other versions of other maps too; considering Volvo loves fog.

2013-11-16 20:02

Great :)

2013-11-15 07:32

mirage_ce > valve mirage train_ve > train_se > train valve

2013-11-15 08:39

now inferno_ce and its all good!

2013-11-15 10:23

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+1, the current one is fucking horrible tbh.

2013-11-15 11:04

dumb move

2013-11-15 11:14

One question guys: how often do you see train on the tournaments? Nobody wants to play it, so there must be a reason for that and the reason is THAT MAP IS BAD in valve's versions. I used to play it back in 1.6 and it was one of coolest map imo (even if it's CT-sided) and now it looks like typical deathmatch map, that's sad. +1 for volcano's train in matchmaking.

2013-11-15 11:25

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yea you are right, but i think its more obvious with the mirage map. it was by far the most played and most loved map in csgo and after valve made their own mirage version noone really wanted to play it anymore

2013-11-15 11:35