No replacement for fnatic at ESL PL

24-10-2016 16:17

ESL confirmed that fnatic won't be attending ESL Pro League Finals in Brazil due to personal circumstances and revealed that there won't be a replacement team to fill the spot - dropping the number of teams in attendance to 11.

Along with fnatic's announcement of another roster shuffle between them and GODSENT, the Swedish powerhouse revealed that they won't be travelling to the ESL Pro League Season 4 finals in São Paulo, Brazil this week - due to personal reasons.

fnatic will skip the Pro League finals due to personal circumstances

ESL revealed that they contacted all European non-relegation Pro League teams to find a replacement but on such a short notice all teams declined - either due to conflicting commitments or visa issues.

With this change, group A will have only five teams, while group B will remain as it currently is - with no adjustments being put in place.

Groups for ESL Pro League Season 4 Finals are now as follows:

Group A	Group B
Immortals	Ninjas in Pyjamas
MOUZ	SK
OpTic	FaZe
Envy	Dignitas
Liquid	Cloud9
	NRG

Professeur writes for HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter.

NO VP LUL

2016-10-24 16:18

63 replies

get rekt VP

2016-10-24 16:17

57 replies

LOL

they declined, as did navi

32 replies

source? i doubt that teams would decline a 750k prizepool tourney

2016-10-24 16:19

31 replies

twitter.com/NWDeKay/status/7903534358203..

2016-10-24 16:20

23 replies

well, this guy also said that G2 or HR would fill the spot which didn't happen, i doubt that all teams would decline a spot on a 750k lan @edit nvm i got it now, teams are not declining they just don't have the time to get the VISA's

2016-10-24 16:24

22 replies

European citizens need no visa to enter brazil

20 replies

then why the fk is ppl replying to me saying that they had VISA issues ._.

2016-10-24 16:25

12 replies

they know nothing, only USA, Canada and Australia need visas

2016-10-24 16:26

read the article dude ESL revealed that they contacted all European non-relegation Pro League teams to find a replacement but on such a short notice all teams declined - either due to conflicting commitments or visa issues. all teams declined

2016-10-24 16:28

9 replies

well, the guy above just said that Europeans don't need VISA's to enter brazil

2016-10-24 16:30

8 replies

that is only true for certain countries in Europe, not all of Europe.

2016-10-24 16:49

7 replies

only moldovia and some irrelevant countries, i'm sure none of the teams in ProLeague would need visas

2016-10-24 17:32

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I said it many teams. ESL and Brasil are too shitty for top teams like VP and NAvi to bother and they didnt want to advance to lan finals from the start.

2016-10-24 17:41

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2016-10-24 19:08

they need visas , cause they will "work" on the country, therefore the need for them, in such short notices is almost impossible to get them

2016-10-24 19:58

Yeah, Poland still need visa to enter the USA :(

2016-10-25 00:29

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blame trump

2016-10-25 00:30

2016-10-25 02:49

Because they are not prepared and will get rekt

they need, like we need to enter in their contry

2016-10-24 17:11

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but we don't need, what are you talking about?

2016-10-24 17:31

eles nao exigem visto apra turismo, mas como eles vem a trabalho, ai ja é outra coisa.

2016-10-24 18:15

Shut up.. All European Union (Schengen Area) don't need VISA to enter in Brazil and Brazilians don't need visa to enter in all european contries BUT UK. For instance, most european countries need VISA to enter in RUSSIA, Brazilians don't. Brazil only requires VISA for countries who requires VISA for Brazilians. RECIPROCITY STATE.

2016-10-24 18:20

turism visa they dont need, but they need to come with work visas retard

2016-10-24 18:23

calm down man.You dont need visa to travel(for pleasure),but you need visa if you will work(that´s the case)

2016-10-24 20:47

People from Schengen Area can play for fun in Brazil. In order to play professional (getting monetary income from Brazil), they need a work visa.

2016-10-24 23:40

I mean if some team would want to replace fnatic they would have to go there today, that's why probably teams declined- too little time and VP have Eleague next weekend

twitter.com/NWDeKay/status/7903534358203.. basically it was too short of a notice for anyone to book and prepare everything, since the event starts in just 2 days

2016-10-24 16:22

BS! ESL asked VP days ago. Now is just press release. VP has better events to play then waste time in 3rd world for a few dollars more. VP even said they care only about WESG and EPICENTER this year. Rest is too low for them (the best, the richest, 10 major winners team).

2016-10-24 17:43

You're trying too hard. Chill

2016-10-24 18:03

Read the text you s... nvm, saw ur name

2016-10-24 16:44

visa issues! Gone are the days when u could easily get visa

2016-10-24 17:03

There are some VISA troubles and also they didn't prepare for the tournament neither.

2016-10-26 17:08

This is why you don't hold tournaments in Brazil...

21 replies

what does VP not qualifying to ESL Pro league finals has to do with the finals being in brazil?

15 replies

The Visa issues keeping other teams from participating.

2016-10-24 16:21

14 replies

not as bad as america

4 replies

only certain countries in Europe.

2016-10-24 16:48

At least 26 countries... the exceptions are Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Ireland, UK and Croatia.

2016-10-24 17:16

So, all EU countries good at CS need visas. XD

2016-10-24 22:20

Tourism is different than working. They 100 percent need work visas.

2016-10-26 14:05

Please do tell me of the countries where applying for a Visa only takes 2 days

2016-10-24 16:31

USA takes 15 minutes when you are part of the waver program

2016-10-24 17:02

For tourism yes, what about if you're going there to work (i.e. play a professional sports tournament with prize pool)?

2016-10-24 18:44

2/3 of the pros play on ESTA Just Sayin

2016-10-24 19:11

ESTA might allow business trips (or certain kinds of business trips), I'm not sure about that, that's why I asked. I'm pretty sure that for example business-visits are allowed. But when prize money comes into play, the rules may or may not be different.

2016-10-25 19:06

No it doesn't. It keeps if you need to get it 4 days before tournament starts, ofc all teams are gonna decline that invitation this lite. As you can see all other teams got their visas easily on time. Not their fault Fnatic switching players and realizing they need bootcamp and pracc over last place reward from tournament.

2016-10-24 16:46

idiot, no visas for europe, just for terrorists supporters USA and Canada.

2016-10-24 17:44

No,no team had visa problems to come in, fnatic did not want to come.

2016-10-24 20:07

the main problem isn't the visa here , it's because it's too far , if the event was in EU pretty sure you would have saw navi/vp/g2

2016-10-24 18:05

Jet-lag is real problem for last minute entry, yes. But visa is really big deal too: I dont think you can enter the country, before you have correct, working, visa. And bureaucracy doesnt work on weekend, so it was extremely likely a team wouldnt get visas in time.

2016-10-25 02:02

well ,i prefer to see a team like optic or c9 getting a problem with visas than a EU team , because another team from EU would be as good or better than NA team

2016-10-25 02:59

No EU team had a problem with visas. You just can't expect to get one in 3-4 days. They take a week-2 at the least.

2016-10-26 14:06

if you follow correctly we are talking about jetlag and event that should be held in EU instead of NA/SA. just a reminder ,all the team that were at epicenter 2days ago, 17h flight and more with airport wait ,jetlag and look at xizt hotel... this should be the last event in brazil for csgo nothing to gain to do it there

2016-10-26 17:37

suka ti che navi top

2016-10-25 18:11

lol

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

vp will replace dw

mad rus? navi bad vp best

2016-10-24 21:11

WHY G2 WHY ???

Because preparation for - SmithZz +Kioking

My smokes are bad My shots all miss You got it right I'm G2 Smithzz

2016-10-24 16:34

LUL

2016-10-24 16:39

LMAO

2016-10-24 16:47

ha aha ahhahaaa nice one

2016-10-24 17:10

hahaha you made may day mate xD

2016-10-24 17:15

great one!

2016-10-25 01:44

not mine, credit to /u/TheAntiPro but psssst hltv > reddit 365/24/7

2016-10-25 03:12

I'd love that

2016-10-24 16:36

Fuck... Miss-clicked post button and now im 3rd :(

Feelsbadman

You missed your chance, but don't worry - Jonathan E won't miss his chance :P

he's a bully

2016-10-24 17:01

shame

They should definately re-seed the groups, this is unfair as hell.. 3 of the current top 5 teams in the same group

True what are these Groups 5 Low Teams Group a 4 Good Teams + 2 Low Teams Group B WTF

2016-10-24 17:04

*5 good teams in Group B Any of the teams in Group B (except NRG) would get out of Group A

2016-10-24 17:06

Actually Yes youre right

How high are you? Two top five teams, not three.

2016-10-25 16:40

dig, SK, NiP retard alert

2016-10-27 17:01

NiP wasn't then (and isn't atm) a top five team tho.

2016-10-27 23:05

123

Nice

weird..

RiP Group A

lul

wtf?

rip

rip )=

Invite VP PLS

VP declined so other actually have a chance too. True legends!

You think that's the reason?

2016-10-24 18:00

no i dont think that. i know that.

2016-10-24 18:18

Could't find cheats in time :>

Skipping out on $20k because no cheats? LUL

2016-10-24 19:03

And suddenly Group A is such a joke haha. A balanced joke though.

u wot m8

VP ? Hello ?

"ESL revealed that they contacted all European non-relegation Pro League teams to find a replacement but on such a short notice all teams declined - either due to conflicting commitments or visa issues." You cant get a visa to brazil in 2 days.

Poland dont need visa to brazil

They have Eleague and would have to travel today

Replace VP :D Hahahhah

lmfao..

what the heck

lol ez for dignitas to be #1

INVITE THIRD WORLD TEAMS THEY ACCEPT

nobody wants to go to brazil sadd

WTF

good, there's no replacing fnatic ;>

Group A just got EVEN easier. Turning out to be a clown of an event

So what happens to the 11th team? they just get a free win

Of couse not. It's a round-robin system. There will be less matches on group A.

ez for mousesports

They could just ask Selfless, they are already in Brasil and they are in an extremely good shape and they could be dangerous and make some damage, their manager even said on twitter that they would appreciate it if it comes to it!!!

all declined,the event is on 26th,today is 24th,no teams have time to attend that.

no Selfless definetly didnt decline.. their manager Ryu even tweeted that they would be fine attending it cause they already have visas!!

5NA 3EU?thats unfair

7NA 5EU

2016-10-24 16:27

yeah but still, EU teams can't compete because you won't get visas within the next 4 days for a trip to Brasil from here in Europe! And like I said, Selfless just won a Lan in Brasil, means that they already have visas and they are still there!

Selfless is not even top30,for the sake of spectators,i dont think esl will accept it.

2016-10-24 16:38

but they definetly will be in some weeks / months! Mark my words! All youngstars!

EU don't need visa, but need time to prepare i guess

2016-10-24 16:43

they need I chatted with some of the players !

2016-10-24 16:55

They finish 12th on the online stage. Wouldn't be fair to the other team I guess. Unless they invited everyone before.

2016-10-24 16:40

they should put SK, dig or NiP in group A tbh

sometimes I think of fnatic aren't think so too yes

What

2016-10-25 02:52

5 less matches on group A now. Please release the new schedule ESL!

Actually it is understandable as it still doesnt change the amout of teams which would qualify for the playoffs. And VP is probably "happy" to skip this event

Those groups are so bullshit.. Grp a are a fuckign tier4 cakewalk

not gonna be nearly as exciting event as expected sadly, looking forward to ELEAGUE finals tho

The Huge dif from group a n b

Lul. Nice groups :D This is going to be a shitfest I guarantee it.

Lol that group A is now phatetic. Easy days for mouz. And group B is ridiculously hard. Gonna be a boring playoffs probably.

Agreed. We're probably going to see some lame quarters :/

group A what a fucking joke compared to group B haha

Can I go with my mix team?

dignitas will win it all

Might be time to hand out fines to teams that don't attend last minute...?

ye should do like starladder did and give them a 1 year ban or something for behaviour like this.

Just screws up the whole system for everyone else attending + it's poor for spectators... fnatic knew they were changing players at least a week ago.

2016-10-24 16:37

2016-10-25 07:10

now there is no balance between the groups... group 1: tier 2 teams group 2: tier 1 teams sad can it regroup?

ESL should ban Fnatic for such behavior like Starladder did

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hmmm what do it fnatic that starlader ,,ban,, this team can pls some source news to this ?

2016-10-24 16:50

They need to go through pro ladder to join starseries

but for what ? fnatic also decline 24h before event start some starlader lan ?

2016-10-24 17:05

There is a rule in Starladder if you refuse to go on LAN for any reason you got the penalty and need to pass Proseries before joining Starseries.

2016-10-25 09:24

Fnatic didnt travel to Kiev cause somebody's mother (jw or shneider) didnt let her kid to travel to Ukraine cause of news on TV

2016-10-25 09:25

This is so sad, fnatic had a good run here.

just invite any brazil team then

this would unfair

Brazil isnt from europe dude

like gex,we need more tier 3 teams at the event plz as if the teams were not shitty enough...epicenter had better teams than ESL pro league final..

2016-10-24 21:09

one thing we can already see on this topic, NA teams will not make out of groups... nothing new here :>

wtf group 1 tier 2-3

2016-10-24 16:23

only 1 big event in brasil and without fnatic, vp and navi, sad af :(

UNFAIR GROUPS. REDRAW!! Mouse again so fucking lucky with the groups. REDRAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not TyLOoooOO or some BR or maybe even NA team? Better than this surely

surely they could announce they not coming at least a week before an event?

yes, fnatic fucked the event

2016-10-24 16:29

reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/59..

2016-10-24 20:19

They are not going because dennis has personal issues.

no one wants to go Brazil 4Head

this is so fucking easy for SK, and monkeys will destroy hltv again :/ NOTHING SPECIAL AGAINST t2 TEAMS

sadly yes, theres no way sk dont win this only way is if dignitas keep their form and and if magiskboy and konfig is on the gear or not at esl

pretty sure either NiP or dignitas will win this tournament

I hope that NiP vs. dignitas is going to be the grand final of the tournament. We've had 6 different winners in the past 6 events and I'm pretty sure this is the end of that "streak" :D

indeed

2016-10-24 16:42

no they wont,SK feel the pressure against VP,but perform better against almost all other teams. TBH i dont even understand what happened to VP in the final after nuke. I mean ive never seen VP thrashed 2 maps in a row this bad ,by anyone recently. Dignitas played really really well to win epicenter,but i dont think all the factors that influenced their win can be replicated exactly again. mark my words :)

2016-10-24 21:08

+100

2016-10-26 14:10

What did i tell you ? Never happening for DIG again. Out in groups at ESL pro league finals ....

2016-10-29 10:00

Yeah lul didn't even realise it lul. They were so cancer lucky or blatant in the games

2016-10-29 18:17

See? my words came true,dignitas out in group stage....

2016-10-29 10:01

group a crap group b lol

Why havn't they asked any NA teams? Still way better than having a slot less O.o

NA teams need visa

2016-10-24 16:32

True totally forgot about that :/ ^^ But #48 is a pretty good solution I guess.

2016-10-24 16:33

whaaaaaaaat

PLS INTIVE VP PLS PLS PLS KAPPA

Group A full of plebs

just take some brazilitan or NA team

where is VP

THIS GROUPS

3rd world ......no one wants to go there ;/ 750k tournament and only tier3 teams in one group :D Group A Immortals mousesports OpTic EnVyUs Liquid ez money for SK.

what about dignitas? not in this group but they will be a pain in the ass in this tournament

2016-10-24 17:12

only VP can stopped SK. Be calm ;)

2016-10-24 17:29

VP cant beat SK with home crowd on their side

2016-10-24 20:50

All of those teams are t2

2016-10-24 18:50

EZ FOR NV #GODSEXHER

INVITE SELFLESS! THEY ARE ALREADY IN BRAZIL!

selfless is in brazil?

2016-10-24 17:08

WESG

2016-10-24 21:06

+ NA'VI plz plz plz

lol strange

LUL i see 10 teams NRG doesnt count

I mean it was expected but it's now official. Why would VP not accept it, obviously because they are burned out and it's completely normal as they've been travelling a lot. But this proves my point they threw those last online matches because they just simply didn't want to travel to the finals, it was too much. I understand it but it's just funny all these dumbdfucks who were telling me why would they throw bla, bla, bla...

2016-10-24 16:51

Brazil mad because VP rekt SK lol

rekt? Are you talking about train?

2016-10-24 18:54

no..train was great for sk bro))

2016-10-24 19:22

The other point is just what a joke this tournament has become because of ESL incompetence and being too many LANs which makes it hard to prepare at all for all the events and it makes it so players burn out tbh. People can say whatever but sadly this can't be considered a tier 1 tournament because a lot of the top teams are missing.

2016-10-24 16:54

I'm usually on the ESL hate train etc but in this instance it's not really their fault that fnatic dropped out last minute.

2016-10-24 20:17

Yea lot of top teams are missing cause they fucked up their online qualifiers

2016-10-25 07:17

Not their fault Fnatic decided not to attend and VP and Navi suck online.

2016-10-26 14:14

fnatic should be banned from next season, you cant drop out of a tournament with such a big investment 2 days before it

agree

2016-10-24 18:32

They alerted ESL for some time already. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/59..

2016-10-24 20:21

its gotta be so rough traveling the world and playing video games

ESL get rekt hahahah on paper from one of best tournament in 2016 to ultimate tier2/4 onliners freak show LAN with 700k on table! i pray this is last season where ESL work together with this fuckers from ESEA they are mine reason why this tournament look that ESL ProLeaque season5 8x direct invited teams and rest reaming X slots goes to online quali that all

They just dont want to go in the monkeyland, obviously.

WTF group A will be so easy compared to group B. ez for envy

no VP, no Na'Vi, no G2, but we've NRG

Olof :( :( :(

oh no, is it really happening boys, VP going to be given second chance qualifier, WTF

2016-10-24 17:13

Salty brainless faggot strikes again. VP and Navi both said no. VP ,7th place, was asked first. But brainless ahmed cant understand that. VP were next in line. SK has been thrashed so many times by VP recently that its affected your brain now...

2016-10-24 21:03

stop replying me

2016-10-24 21:24

Braindead faggit

2016-10-24 21:26

This user has blocked you and wont be able to answer your brain fart.

Braindead faggit stop replying me

2016-10-24 21:30

2016-10-24 21:35

dennis has problems with some of brazils cartels. It's a known fact and should've been told in the article.

no one wants to play in brazil lmao

2016-10-24 17:19

Sad. The event will not be fun w/o Fnatic. Group A is a joke now.

Wow rip

2016-10-24 17:20

Group B is ridiculously tough while Group A is a joke

2016-10-24 17:24

these fucking groups ahahaha what a joke

2016-10-24 17:26

ez for Optic

Tier 2 tournament lmao

2016-10-24 17:49

ez for mouz. group a lol

2016-10-24 17:55

If you are true legend you will come to every tourament doesn't matter if it's in 2 days. Papito remember this.

2016-10-24 18:02

Spot for Navi plz

2016-10-24 18:27

That Group B though :O

2016-10-24 18:28

Oh my fucking god. Why the fuck would you refuse this offer am i right guys? Fuck you astralis

I can guarantee you if VP could attend but not qualified ESL would give VP the spot no matter place.

2016-10-24 18:31

Are you stupid or something ? VP does NOT want to attend. Also its obvious that VP would get the spot because they finished 7th place after dignitas...but then logic evades you. So yes VP was asked first and then the team finishing 8th and so on. Use your brains.

2016-10-24 21:01

Calm down Indian. Learn to read. ESL does anything for VP and find wholes for them. (Not in this particular scenario though)

2016-10-24 21:34

Sure

i feel like liquid will win this lol

Lol EnVy easy group A winner

2016-10-24 18:35

lmao was this the attempt to bring VP in? :DDD Jokes aside, wtf is that from fnatic. Just get a sub in from anywhere, in other leagues that would disqualify them from the next season. We obv don't know the story behind this but it is so disrespectful towards all the other european teams that fought hard trying to get into the finals... EDIT: Just read on reddit that fnatic contacted esl a while ago, it is still strange how they don't play with a sub.

2016-10-24 18:47

Just send in Selfless so we can have a 12-team event.

2016-10-24 18:51

INVITE G2 :( PLS

2016-10-24 18:52

Invite VP!

+VP

2016-10-24 19:05

gonna be interesting final SK - Immortals hype!! VAMOS!! #runSKG

2016-10-24 19:09

Very good event incoming with 3 good teams and 2 of them being NIP and dignitas :D

2016-10-24 19:35

Unexpected...

2016-10-24 20:02

very expected zika virus everywhere in brasil also corruption and random strikes kinda ruins everything

2016-10-24 20:12

2016-10-24 20:22

chickens fear noobs

2016-10-24 20:31

invite g3x !!!!!!!

2016-10-24 20:45

Ofc big teams drop oit, they dont want to be shot and killed in the streets

2016-10-24 20:54

RIP all sk fans who were celebrating the fact that VP and Navi did not qualify... it turns out they dont want to go rofl. no fucks given.... This event has no VP Navi "new fnatic",only good teams SK and Dignitas.... and a shitload of NA teams... T2 event...

2016-10-24 20:59

+ all this teams should play in max 70k prize pool lan not in fuckign 700k

2016-10-24 21:39

You are free to believe in what you want lol

2016-10-24 23:36

i already am,you really didnt need to take all that effort to type that useless comment.

2016-10-24 23:45

Oh now you showed me that u r really dumb, didnt get my point but whatever

2016-10-25 02:03

profesional league esl xd

2016-10-24 21:10

Move one of sk/dig/nip in group A than invite any shitty Br/Na team in group B , prob solved.

WTF Esl

2016-10-24 21:38

vp please

2016-10-24 21:46

Ban Fnatic esl tournaments

Optic - NRG finals not incoming!

2016-10-24 22:31

Invite VP please

2016-10-24 23:28

no contenders for SK > ez money

How can they not find a team to attend instead.... just ESL things.

2016-10-24 23:41

all teams they contacted declined ? and they dont want to invite some ultra shit team ?

2016-10-24 23:46

Next big event should be organised in North Korea. ESL is great at doing their tournaments in countries that are dangerous just to be in. Check liveleak if you need proof. If they continue to do events in countries like that, they should do next event in a real warzone, that would be a accomplishment to get the players there and the team that would survive should get 1 million $ prize then. That would be quality family entertainment.

2016-10-25 00:54

syria fine? lots of viewers i think

2016-10-25 02:54

why only 11? oh brazilian event nvm its ok xD

2016-10-25 01:30

This groups are joke one big joke ,shuffle pls.

2016-10-25 02:01

fking fnatic rejoin

2016-10-25 03:04

It looks like SK will be back to the top2.

2016-10-25 03:25

Finally a tournament NiP could realistically win so my money is on them.

2016-10-25 04:10

Move the date Back so Renegades can Play as their replacement! They did earn it after all.

2016-10-25 07:19

EnVyUs will top group A

2016-10-25 08:13

WHy do you all say Envy tops group A? As if Immortals weren't able to do this.

2016-10-25 10:19

2016-10-29 10:06

I posted my comment before tournament. Now you are commenting the whole situation after group stage.

2016-10-29 16:44

No, I comment after Immortals had been looking terrible online and every LAN they attended with zews

2016-10-29 18:00

If the SK not win this event, you can start exchanging figures on own team ... for Major

2016-10-25 10:28

EZ FOR NIP TOURNAMENT , SK NOOBMING.

2016-10-25 13:50

>$600k prize pool Okay, let's skip this shit

2016-10-25 15:25

This would've actually been yet another free chance for VP to get into the finals if they had accepted

2016-10-25 18:10

Nah, VISA problems, also they have to prepare for the tournament and they haven't they might be on a small vacation or resting after Epicenter and in one day fly to Brazil to play a tournament would destroy them.

2016-10-26 17:10