Opinion: Why NBK- was doomed from the start

Even when he joined MOUZ, Nathan "⁠NBK-⁠" Schmitt was likely facing an uphill battle to stay on the roster.

Well that was swift, wasn't it? In a move that is just as surprising as his initial signing, MOUZ have benched French legend NBK- after just over two months with the squad, during which time they played a grand total of 25 maps, with only 12 of these played with their full five-man lineup. The initial reaction of much the community, along with NBK- himself, has been something along the lines of "wtf?", but if we dig a little bit deeper, just how surprising is this roster change? Considering the performance of the team so far, the individual performance of NBK-, and the context surrounding his addition, did he ever really stand a chance?

When the signing of the veteran 27-year-old was announced by MOUZ, it came as a shock. NBK- had been out of the game for some time, having announced his retirement from CS:GO in order to chase a career in VALORANT a mere seven months prior. Not only was his return from retirement a shock, but the circumstances in which he returned were somewhat peculiar; he wasn't brought into the team to IGL, something you might assume giving his advancing years and diminishing stats when he left the game, and he wasn't joining a French lineup, rather an international one. He also came into a team that had taken a significant hit in terms of firepower, with franchise player Robin "⁠ropz⁠" Kool having just left for FaZe, and seemed a strange replacement in that sense as well.

Did NBK- ever stand a chance?

There was some logic to the move though, which was specifically referenced by MOUZ CEO Stefan Wendt upon the signing of NBK-:

"When reviewing our 2021 season, our major issues were leadership and experience. We always had enough firepower and high skilled players but we needed more structure and a cool head in high intensity situations. When planning 2022, we knew replacing ropz skill-wise would be an impossible task, so we looked for a player that can lead our younger players and we think Nathan is the perfect candidate for it."

ropz himself also highlighted the leadership struggles the team faced in 2021 in his HLTV Top 20 interview:

"He [dexter] has a little less of this leader type personality in him than karrigan, who is always vocal, pushing and motivating the players. I think that definitely affected us negatively. With such a young and inexperienced roster the team needs an extremely strong leader type."

So, in some way, the NBK- move made perfect sense. The team needed more experience and leadership, and here was a player who has a total of 22 LAN trophies to his name in CS:GO, has experience leading teams, and has been involved in professional Counter-Strike since the Source days.

Life began fairly modestly for MOUZ with NBK- on the roster, but on balance and considering circumstance, things seemed promising. The squad had to tackle IEM Katowice, one of the most brutally stacked events in the calendar, without their full roster, as COVID struck down Aurimas "⁠Bymas⁠" Pipiras before the event began. It was a blow to a team that had just undergone a major rebuild, and they had to fly replacement Jon "⁠JDC⁠" de Castro out to the event immediately after he finished competing in the WePlay Academy League with MOUZ NXT. With disrupted practice and preparation, the team entered the Play-in portion of the event with tempered expectations. As such, it seems fair to say the team blew these expectations out of the water; they defeated GODSENT and impressively Entropiq to make the main event, even running FaZe incredibly close in their upper-bracket matchup. The main event came around, and again MOUZ were competitive, beating an OG side that began the year on a hot streak, and suffering a narrow defeat to Vitality before being dumped out of the competition by Ninjas in Pyjamas.

MOUZ performed well above expectations in Katowice

Not only was the Katowice performance a valiant and promising one as a team, but it was a solid start to life in red for NBK-; the Frenchman was performing solidly in an aggressive role, posting a 1.13 opening rating during the Katowice main event, the best in his team, and also sporting a healthy 1.11 impact rating. It is also worth noting that he outperformed stand-in JDC in pretty much every metric once the main event came around.

When NBK- and MOUZ did finally get a shot with their full roster, they were once again competitive, even if they ultimately fell short. ESL Pro League saw the team eliminated with a 2-3 record after they picked up wins over Looking For Org and G2 and suffered defeats to Ninjas in Pyjamas, Entropiq and fnatic; in all three losses the squad were very much in the running. The loss against fnatic was probably the most disappointing, considering the revolving door that is currently the fnatic roster; the boys in black and orange played with three new additions, two of which had zero experience at the top level.

The context surrounding MOUZ' performances up to this point is incredibly important to consider. Not only did the team have to deal with utilising a stand-in at one of the two events played, but there were a plethora of other factors tempering expectations; Bymas was transitioning to a very different role within the team, Ádám "⁠torzsi⁠" Torzsás was and still is adjusting to tier-one CS, and the team as a whole was recovering from the loss of star player ropz. With all of this in mind, it seems fair to say that MOUZ and more specifically NBK- at the very least had acquitted themselves well, and on performance alone they deserved more time to prove themselves. So, was there really no compelling reason at all to remove the Frenchman?

Whilst it may not be a reason in of itself, it is most certainly relevant to consider the timing of the additions of both NBK- and Dennis "⁠sycrone⁠" Nielsen. Both entered the team at the same time, and whilst it would be reasonable to assume that discussions with sycrone would have been happening for some time, it would also be reasonable to assume that he did not have much input on the signing of NBK-. It simply cannot be a coincidence that, with some time to assert himself in his new role, the new head coach has overseen the addition of another one of his academy stars to the main MOUZ roster.

Another aspect worth mentioning is the sheer success of that academy project. The MOUZ NXT roster, under the tutelage of sycrone and with the assistance of JDC and torzsi, has been the most successful academy project by a country mile. Firstly, they won all three seasons of the WePlay Academy League, which included the two LAN finals hosted for the first two seasons. Secondly, they even achieved some modest success in well-attended tier-two online competitions, placing top-four in two Malta Vibes events and top-four in Pinnacle Fall Series 2. And likely most importantly, torzsi has found immediate success transitioning into the main team. With a blueprint for success apparent with sycrone at the helm, the history of success that JDC and torzsi have had in the academy scene, and the promising transition of the young Hungarian AWPer to tier-one play, it is not surprising that MOUZ are quick to look to their academy roster for ways to improve the main team.

There is a chance that torzsi's success did NBK- no favours.

From a gameplay perspective, it is going to be hard to argue that NBK- could outperform JDC over any reasonable period of time. Yes, it would be fair to point to the Katowice performance and the fact that former was better at that event overall, but over the course of three, six, or twelve months, you would be hard-pressed to convince many that he would maintain his position ahead of the young German. This is particularly relevant to the type of role that NBK- was fulfilling; he wasn't given a lurk role, where he could use his veteran smarts and years of experience to elevate his play, but he was given a hard entry role on T side. If it does end up being a straight swap role-wise, JDC should be able to serve as a mechanical / firepower upgrade over the French legend. The Katowice Play-in served as a proof of concept that he could be a firepower upgrade, particularly in the series against Entropiq. Over the Play-in, the young German rifler posted a 1.14 rating and 0.76 KPR to his French counterpart's 0.98 and 0.60, suggesting that at his peak, JDC can significantly out-frag NBK-. The series against Entropiq served to highlight his carry potential, as he sported a 1.37 rating and +20 KD-diff, far outstripping any single series performance NBK- produced in his short time on MOUZ.

Finally, it is worth considering the context of some of the other kickings that NBK- suffered towards the back end of his career. For both his exit from Vitality and his exit from OG, it was stated that the reasoning was not so much based on in-game performance as it was out-of-game issues. Rémy "⁠XTQZZZ⁠" Quoniam said of his removal from Vitality that "something happened at the Major and ALL of the players didn't want to play with Nathan anymore, not one or two, all of them." When you look into the OG situation, reports released at the time suggested that "differences in in-game vision between NBK- and the rest of the team" were the reason for his kicking. Nothing explicitly negative has been said about the removal of NBK- from MOUZ, in fact it has been painted in such a way to suggest it is more about the addition of JDC being so positive, however it is tough to ignore NBK-'s history, particularly considering how much his out-of-game impact was referenced as a reason for his signing. To end this point, it is worth thinking very carefully about how JDC's addition was framed by sycrone: "We decided that JDC's attitude, positivity and communications will be vital for the team going forward."

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NBK-: "Never been so confused about such an unfair and rushed decision"

On balance, it is probably harsh to remove NBK-. MOUZ seemed to be heading in the right direction overall as a team, the French veteran was fulfilling his role about as well as could be expected, and the team only played a single event with their main roster before the Frenchman got the boot. If nothing else, it feels unfair that the team did not get more time with NBK- to see where the ceiling was, to see if the balance within the team was maybe best with an experienced head within the ranks.

The general consensus, outside of the aforementioned "wtf?" was that if this was going to happen all along, then why not add JDC from the very start? I think this is the key point to consider. Did NBK- ever really have a chance in the roster long term, considering the success of the academy project, the fact the academy team's coach joined alongside him, and the fact torzsi's promotion was a success? I would argue that NBK- was likely doomed from the start, and would have needed to either absolutely smash it statistically, or have the team go deep at Katowice or in ESL Pro League, both of which are absolutely unrealistic and unfair expectations.

Who knows if this decision by the MOUZ management will be the right one. The fact that this move was made before the previous lineup's true ceiling was known means we will likely never be able to definitively say if cutting NBK- was the right decision. What seems certain is that the whole situation has been a bit of poor management by MOUZ; either he should never have been signed in the first place, or the roster with him involved should have been given more time to flourish. Either way, I hope that NBK- is able to land on his feet and find himself a new home, as I was starting to get excited about what the veteran French legend could bring to the scene upon his return. The CS:GO scene is a richer and more vibrant place with the Kingmaker among our ranks.

France Nathan 'NBK-' Schmitt
Nathan 'NBK-' Schmitt
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
2045
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.67
Lithuania Aurimas 'Bymas' Pipiras
Aurimas 'Bymas' Pipiras
Age:
18
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
305
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.63
Estonia Robin 'ropz' Kool
Robin 'ropz' Kool
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1060
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.62
Germany Jon 'JDC' de Castro
Jon 'JDC' de Castro
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
445
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.67
Hungary Ádám 'torzsi' Torzsás
Ádám 'torzsi' Torzsás
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
405
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.63
totally agree
2022-03-19 11:31
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#9
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
+1
2022-03-19 11:34
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So basically because jdc has a life time game, when nobody knows mouz strats or anything and they can't get anti strat he gets to replace nbk who was a solid anchor, and played the less in the team, something doesn't seem fair
2022-03-19 12:14
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#68
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
sry, I accidentally replied +1 to a wrong guy
2022-03-19 12:53
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1 reply
**Problem is Dexter**
2022-03-19 13:09
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#98
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syrsoN | 
Germany PhoenixD!!!
both JDC and NBK play Anchor positions on CT While on T NBK would have to be a hard entry, which lets be realistic is not going to happen
2022-03-19 13:41
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+1
2022-03-19 17:20
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we miss og nbk-
2022-03-19 11:32
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I do indeed
2022-03-19 12:58
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Totally disagree
2022-03-19 11:32
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3 replies
Develop
2022-03-19 12:58
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the duality of HLTV
2022-03-19 14:48
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+1 terrible article
2022-03-19 17:48
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onions?
2022-03-19 11:32
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#142
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Sweden nathanel
+1
2022-03-19 15:52
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Since when did hltv give opinions?
2022-03-19 11:33
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10 replies
Since hltv confirmed
2022-03-19 11:42
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Great opinion to be fair , and it's open to discussion and criticism in the comment section , more interesting than your usual off topic or reports of Rating and ESL results
2022-03-19 12:59
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7 replies
+1
2022-03-19 15:04
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+1
2022-03-19 19:49
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+1
2022-03-19 21:56
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But lets ban people when they have opinions on others. Hltv is becoming a dictatorship site slowly but surely
2022-03-20 14:59
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Why shouldn't it be ? The creator of the site has mods that ban what they don't like and it's their right
2022-03-20 15:17
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Indeed, so they can cherry pick who to talk shit and who not to. Makes sense in a PC world, especially for a site based in a western country. Hypocrisy at it's finest
2022-03-20 15:58
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You can call it ' Hypocrisy ' / ' western country ' but it's just a fact , it's a private site after all .
2022-03-20 19:44
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For few months already
2022-03-19 13:55
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#7
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Korea jin67300
NBK- >> dexter
2022-03-19 11:33
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#195
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Indonesia lumayan
Lol stupid
2022-03-20 14:56
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NBK > Dexter
2022-03-21 07:30
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nbk robbed
2022-03-19 11:33
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bad decision /closed
2022-03-19 11:34
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4 replies
+1 I don’t see it being beneficial to any party
2022-03-19 11:36
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what about JDC
2022-03-20 02:18
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Probably going to struggle for a few tournaments, but I hope I’m wrong
2022-03-20 07:54
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#97
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Bulgaria |mens|
+1
2022-03-19 13:39
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- karrigan + NBK could hardly do worse
2022-03-19 11:35
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#59
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Finland KarPPa
you might be the single dumbest person on the whole website :DDDDD
2022-03-19 12:30
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#59 + baiting is not allowed on HLTV
2022-03-19 13:00
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LMFAO
2022-03-19 13:56
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7/8
2022-03-19 14:08
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Totally disagree.
2022-03-19 11:35
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tldr: nbk has low ratings and may be toxic outside of the game understandable
2022-03-19 11:36
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He is a very narcisstic guy.
2022-03-19 12:05
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1 reply
2022-03-19 13:00
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Source of him being toxic ?
2022-03-19 13:00
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hltv.org/news/28009/xtqzzz-even-if-we-wo.. "Something happened at the Major and ALL of the players didn't want to play with Nathan anymore, not one or two, all of them" Rémy "⁠XTQZZZ⁠" Quoniam
2022-03-19 13:11
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Niconiconii , let me tell you , we've all been d*ick heads or did something bad towards a groupe of friends or reacted in a negative way , but we can move on and overcome this toxicness or we can stay *ss holes , I'm not defending NBK nor I'm a fan of him/Mouse/JDC but what you linked me happened in vitality and he moved on to OG then VaLULrant then Cs with Mouz so we can't judge him and call him toxic from something that happened 2-3 years ago maybe he's not the same as he was or he was more natural and himself towards french people like him
2022-03-19 13:22
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"To end this point, it is worth thinking very carefully about how JDC's addition was framed by sycrone: "We decided that JDC's attitude, positivity and communications will be vital for the team going forward." "When you look into the OG situation, reports released at the time suggested that "differences in in-game vision between NBK- and the rest of the team" were the reason for his kicking." it's all in the article. my personal opinion is, well, idk, the guy has been kicked from a good amount of teams already and we have one person in his recent team praising the positiveness of the player that replaced him...Hard to defend nbk
2022-03-19 13:36
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8/8 take , JDC is a great addition and already has good synergy with torzi from Mouz junior team ! Great talk Nico
2022-03-19 13:37
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Anecdotal argument isn't a proof.
2022-03-19 15:07
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yeah it is not but being kicked from countless teams and having your ex-teammates saying your personality was the problem make quite a strong case. not enough to convict him ofc.
2022-03-19 15:20
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2 isn't countless. 1 teammate, or rather, a coach. You are dressing the case in your preferred color, but quite frankly, I don't care.
2022-03-19 16:07
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and you are dressing as yours, as the coach said, all players didn't want to play with him and being kicked from two teams because your personality didn't fit is rare in tier 1. l also don't care, nbk received the toxic title now and that's it.
2022-03-19 17:15
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He isnt dressing it in anyway though, he's just responding to your overstatements about it being ''countless of teams'' etc, which you are only saying to strengthen your ''argument'' which is just sdumb, keep it real and more ppl wil listen to you my friend.
2022-03-19 19:59
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yeah i heavily disagree.
2022-03-19 20:00
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#171
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North America Straf3R
But he then says he had no issues with NBK outside the team
2022-03-19 17:21
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tldr
2022-03-19 11:36
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#18
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Asia Swiftly7669
Wtf hLtv why so rude men
2022-03-19 11:38
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Your opinion doesn't matter
2022-03-19 11:38
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Your toxicity doesn't matter.
2022-03-19 11:43
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2 replies
Am I wrong though?
2022-03-19 12:00
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No one is wrong , it's HLTV opinion and you can discuss it by presenting argument and building up a judgement around NBK instead of denying it just like that
2022-03-19 13:01
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#21
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Poland moistu
NBK > dexter
2022-03-19 11:40
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#135
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Poland czan
+1
2022-03-19 15:11
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#196
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Indonesia lumayan
Very stupid statement
2022-03-20 14:57
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didnt read but +1 NBK was a mistake from the start i dont think anyone disagrees except MOUZ
2022-03-19 11:41
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#24
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Lithuania m1nardi
it was a bad signing from the start, but benching him so soon is just dumb
2022-03-19 11:42
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1 reply
+1
2022-03-22 22:16
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imagine NBK loads up hltv to check scores and see's this at the top of the page💀💀💀 Must be depressed af rn, but it was mous' fault for adding him instead of just promoting JDC in first place
2022-03-19 11:43
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#32
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Puerto Rico pain^
What a terrible article
2022-03-19 11:45
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#33
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Germany N4ime
Didn´t read but i agree
2022-03-19 11:45
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So basically this article say mouz shouldn't even sign nbk, and he shouldn't cry about being kicked with very little time giving to him? Lmao
2022-03-19 11:48
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"He [dexter] has a little less of this leader type personality in him than karrigan, who is always vocal, pushing and motivating the players. I think that definitely affected us negatively. With such a young and inexperienced roster the team needs an extremely strong leader type." That's why they kept Dexter ? Perfect sense. It is only for RMR points, Dexter will be the next one.
2022-03-19 11:50
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#54
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dupreeh | 
Ireland ToodlesGX
NBK return as igl?????????? jk jk unless???
2022-03-19 12:24
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I mean if nbk is useless, imagine dexter. He had ropz and frozen and they were losing against t2 teams. Ppl are shocked to see dexter still there. His calls are random. The team play like in a fpl match. The title should be why nbk is out while dexter is still there. Nobody really think nbk is better than jdc. Make nbk an igl or bring siuhy in. Honestly, it cannot be worse. Thorin made a cringe tweet about dexter. Even if it is crude, he is right to question the decision.
2022-03-19 12:52
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#99
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
syrsoN | 
Germany PhoenixD!!!
Its just for RMR-Slot They will prolly sign up siuhy as 6th man and play with him
2022-03-19 13:44
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#197
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Indonesia lumayan
Lol, dexter play 4 VS 5, why people keep blaming him hahaha Stupid
2022-03-20 14:58
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Because he is the igl. Calls are bad, he has bad stats and even if acor was Horrible, they should beat t2 teams without acor's impact. I didnt say t1 team. I remember a d2 game. They won a single gun round on t side and it was 1 vs 4 clutch by ropz. They lost the game even if they had ct side 13 rounds
2022-03-20 15:16
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nbk is only "inactive" on mouz atm, his contact is quite long too (I think)
2022-03-19 14:28
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#127
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dupreeh | 
Ireland ToodlesGX
yeah his contract will be decently long, his OG contract expired end of 2021 yet he got benched in february he could return after the major cycle, mouz may have the talent but we've seen before that insane young talents don't always make the biggest impressions on T1 all the absolute best teams have the experienced players (navi s1mple, gambit hobbit, G2 niko, faze rain/karrigan) so maybe he returns if mouz realise that they need experience to control the insane youth
2022-03-19 15:01
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+1 it’s dumb Rather kick dexter and keep NBK as IGl
2022-03-19 14:24
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You kiddies commenting your opinion but didn’t read. Like any of your opinions even matter
2022-03-19 11:49
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but who
2022-03-19 11:52
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Very well written and balanced piece. Completely agree
2022-03-19 11:53
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0/8
2022-03-19 11:56
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#40
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India nalinboi01
HLTV writers detected opinion rejected
2022-03-19 11:57
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Worst decision ever (considering Dexter is still playing)
2022-03-19 12:02
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Mouz had a good streak. Then the coach had a cheating scandal, karrigan left then ropz left. The quote from ropz saying Dexter doesn't emotionally pump them up enough is like your girlfriend saying my ex boyfriend used to do this.. pretty fuckin stupid. It's everyone's job to step up and stay positive and help each other. Not sure why he's pointing to a dependency on karrigan. Anyway long story short Dexter was brought in when mouz was in absolute disarray and a rebuild was underway. He's one of the best Australia has produced and all people wanna do is give him shit. It's so stupid. Look at the org, coach, firepower changes and new IGL. Dexter isn't the problem. Also mouz did a lot worse under the previous IGL / coach until they finally got their shit together. Everyone expects instant results.
2022-03-19 16:44
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#179
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United States kami917
Flair. Dexter 100% the problem in this team, quiet leadership style, bad tsides, not that experienced, poor individual play. You're the only person i've seen not point dexter as the problem. And i like dexter, so hopefully i'm wrong, but he is no where near the same player he was in Australia individually. He doesn't have the experience or voice to lead this super young mouz team.
2022-03-19 19:13
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#199
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Indonesia lumayan
Bruh, bad tside? Come on. Not even gla1ve can make a good Tside when u're playing 4 vs 5 every game (acor). Bad individual play? He always be the guy with utility and buy mp9 for the team.
2022-03-20 15:03
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#43
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Australia sm0go
Great read. Some really good points.
2022-03-19 12:03
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#45
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France Logi1K
Terrible article based only on suppositions, the only certitude is that mouz made unpro choice by signing him and bench him after 12 maps. The "coach" will quickly understand the diff between T1 and academy
2022-03-19 12:12
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tbh ,this coach guy to me is a simply massage guy xD he did shoulder massage for torzsi and JDC all the time i can not w8 to find out what gonna happen to this dumb team in RMR
2022-03-19 16:27
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Never thought I would have to read something like this today :(
2022-03-19 12:14
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Opinion of ass is dick
2022-03-19 12:19
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#49
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San Marino Loyuu
Dont even want to know who’s the genious behind this move
2022-03-19 12:20
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NBK fans Coping so hard right now
2022-03-19 12:21
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So let me get this straight. MOUZ wanted leadership, NBK gave them exactly that and MOUZ decides to kick him? Lol, nothing much to be said or done when the org is gonna go back on what they said at first.
2022-03-19 12:22
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#169
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North America Straf3R
likely more that it was the coach tbh
2022-03-19 17:21
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The coach is not playing. Terrible decision. The coach cannot always lead from behind. I'm expecting last place at the RMR. Dexter had talents in his team before and punched below the belt.
2022-03-22 17:29
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#213
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North America Straf3R
I generally agree with you, and coaches with complete authority like XQTZZZ who really had a good understanding of interpersonal stuff on the team are rare. Reading this article makes it clear where the coach's priorities are and where the org's arent...
2022-03-22 21:26
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PPl say experience is overrated. I agree for specific roles. A lurker, an entry fragger or second entry can manage to be good without a lot of experiences, but an igl and an anchor have to use their experiences. Also, having too many veteran players, it is like having none. I think this team is only use for selling players. Dexter doesn't bring any identity and I don't see who will be second calling.
2022-03-22 21:37
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#216
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North America Straf3R
I agree. When Bymas and Frozen your next veterans on the team and the people you rely on for experience and decision making, then something is wrong. Karrigan could make this lineup work, maybe. But ur right, no obvious second caller
2022-03-22 21:46
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honestly it would be a good read and ending if it would end with NBK should retired and be as a coach in Mouz instead haha
2022-03-19 12:25
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#214
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North America Straf3R
i at least hoped he could be involved with the NXT team but thats not happening...
2022-03-22 21:27
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how comparing with karrigan lul . karrigan is top2 or 3 igl. dexter abused. when karrigan back to faze, team rank #38 . now #3
2022-03-19 12:27
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Totally agreed, I hope they will fail. Such bad management, undeserved for NBK.
2022-03-19 12:30
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1 reply
+1
2022-03-19 13:05
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-dexter +siuhy next please
2022-03-19 12:34
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#69
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Iceland Voidsphere
They can't remove dexter before the RMR, don't you get it?
2022-03-19 12:54
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they won't qualify with dexter, don't you get it?
2022-03-19 13:32
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Yeah, and they won't even try if they kick him before, because they need at least 3 out of 5 players of that last fucking roster. ropz and acoR are gone, so? Do you get it now?
2022-03-19 14:56
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you're arguing about something everybody gets. read #62 again then realize your reply wasn't necessary in the first place.
2022-03-19 16:11
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They should played the online qualifier and kick dexter instead. Dexter won't be good all of sudden. I'm expecting last place. Dexter had ropz and frozen, but still cannot beat some t2 teams. They are just buying times.
2022-03-22 17:31
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Ikr. It's cool that he's performing well on the fragging side, but doesn't matter if they're not winning games consistently.
2022-03-23 06:53
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Hope you find a good team soon NBK
2022-03-19 12:38
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#66
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m0NESY | 
Hungary powi
A team's overall atmosphere ingame and out of the game is way more important than any individual players. As much as you like to see someone just go in and hit 5 headshots, its very rare to happen. CSGO is a team game, and each part needs to work together with other parts. They need to have the willing to help the teammate in any possible way, so great chemistry is the most important. Basically I'm saying its better to have 5 lower skilled players who has great chemistry than having 5 higher skilled individuals. JDC is such an incredibly positive and humble guy, it was a mistake not to promote him with torzsi in the first place. With him the team will be much better. The whole NXT project was so good actually. Xertion is another awesome guy. So im questioning frozen/bymas/dexter places also. But i hope MOUZ management will be brave enough to continue to make changes if they feel its needed.
2022-03-19 12:49
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#70
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Ukraine jdk4m
Another bullshit by HLTV
2022-03-19 12:56
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lol why even add him? he did exactly what was expected just prooves how Mouz had no idea what they were doing with the last additions of Dexter, Bymas, nbk and now they are just like fuck it, we just make the academy team the main team.
2022-03-19 12:58
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They wanted to show the world what disrespect is. Astralis and nip are saints in comparison. I'm full anti mouz from this moment. #freefrozen
2022-03-19 14:42
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#180
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United States kami917
They're way more willing to take a chance then other teams, which i respect. But i think the track record shows that while they have brought up some insane players, it hasn't really worked out. No major championship, only a couple big event wins over the last like 6 years, nothing really to show for it.
2022-03-19 19:19
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#82
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Czech Republic PaYaB
they should have got rid of dexter before.. now we have to suffer at the RMR, we'll be shaking to even qualify..
2022-03-19 13:02
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My point. Bringing back nbk was a big risk, keeping dexter for the rmr is a huge risk. He had ropz and frozen and they were losing against t2 teams. Random calls, bad decision making, currently one of the worst Igl in top20.
2022-03-19 13:26
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taking dexter off before the RMR would've meant playing the open qualifiers just to make the RMR. watching a team like Movistar Riders not making it into the main tournament shows how bad that could've gone.
2022-03-19 14:19
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But if you want to rebuild, kick dexter and bring somebody else way before the RMR. If they are scared of an online qualifier for the RMR, what will do you at the RMR ? Last place almost guarantee.
2022-03-22 17:34
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#101
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syrsoN | 
Germany PhoenixD!!!
they would lose RMR slot wouldnt they? Cause Bymas, Dexter and frozen hold the RMR-Slot
2022-03-19 13:45
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#153
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Czech Republic PaYaB
yeah
2022-03-19 16:25
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Good article
2022-03-19 13:05
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opinion disregarded
2022-03-19 13:07
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Very good article.
2022-03-19 13:14
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Rémy "⁠XTQZZZ⁠" Quoniam said of his removal from Vitality that "something happened at the Major and ALL of the players didn't want to play with Nathan anymore, not one or two, all of them." fair enough i remember NBK malding
2022-03-19 13:20
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and basically "We decided that JDC's attitude, positivity and communications will be vital for the team going forward." confirms this too NBK must have brought some negativity to the team. Maybe because he sees himself as a "veteran" and thus thinks he's always right
2022-03-19 13:59
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+1 exactly what i was thinking
2022-03-19 14:11
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Press statements never confirm anything at all. You never hear the truth.
2022-03-19 14:40
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Well... He has won 22 LAN trophies, including 2 majors, so is it wrong of him to think he knows better than some kids without any real experience and an IGL who clearly knows very little? You could argue that he might have a strong personality, but kicking him after only a month also shows that they weren't willing to work on it and talk things out.
2022-03-19 16:15
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+8
2022-03-19 16:32
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or it shows that he is not willing to work on it we really don't know, but if all vitality players had problems with him and now he gets benched after such a short time, there must be problems with his attitude affecting the whole team
2022-03-19 17:05
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All Vitality players had problems with him 3 years ago and since then he's figured some stuff about himself out. Doesn't mean he's fixed everything. These problems with Vitality also weren't from the first couple of months. They were after playing together in the most stressful circumstances for well over half a year. Of course, we can't make any assumptions on what happened, but in the same way you can't assume NBK- wasn't willing to work on it. In fact, his tweet shows surprise, which tells me that either they never told him they had a problem or at the very least told them in a very vague way (which I can tell from having Aspergers myself, probably went over his head as not a real problem), or they told him properly, they got to an understanding of trying to fix it, and they just decided it wasn't going to work out, not putting any faith in him. Worst case they were just like "Yeah, we just want the academy squad and this is a good excuse" Just like you throw out the possibility that NBK- was at fault, I'll mention the opposite. And considering the little time he had on the roster (literally one event with the full roster), I'm personally more inclined to give Nathan the benefit of the doubt here.
2022-03-19 17:26
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you can have 5 star player but it might not work ( previos faze). you could have won titles and dominate and suddenly you got an unbeliavable loosing-streak and fighting for survival (borussia dortmund under kloppo a few years back) because of motivation little things add up. mouz have and big asset in that direction including so much knowledge and dont give it a real chance. to try without bymas adding jdc could show it it could have a future, but now it would be impossible to get nbk back if it doesn work.
2022-03-19 13:23
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JDC had -25, -20 on the last series. He will become a strong player, but he is not fully ready for t1, ppl hyped so much. I feel it is a premature/rushed decision. Mouz is not thinking on the long term at all.
2022-03-22 22:02
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-Dexter +NBK
2022-03-19 13:45
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#102
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France Carrotaboy
Nvm I misread a bit
2022-03-19 13:51
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Let's see WHO will be the problem.
2022-03-19 13:56
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Good read. Ty.
2022-03-19 14:17
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Fuck mouz anyway, may they fold ASAP
2022-03-19 14:34
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Dont care, lost respect for mouz
2022-03-19 14:50
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#128
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Australia strikebacK
that's what u get for going to a trash game then crawling your way back to the better game
2022-03-19 15:02
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He never wanted to go play VALORANT and from what I remember, he never joined a team either. He was just going over his options and seeing what was out there, but he always said that he'd prefer to play CS.
2022-03-19 16:23
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#129
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France marponche
Big mistake from MOUZ, enjoy Pinnacle cups
2022-03-19 15:04
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It was a mistake to sign him, and although it's unfair to NBK, this is the best move for MOUZ. I wish NBK can go back to HEET (DBL Poney), they could be a solid team.
2022-03-19 15:06
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Good article! Agree 100%
2022-03-19 15:09
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#136
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Europe Zwenix
yeah great okey why then sign him? Try him out on few tournaments before making big announcements. The most retarded move I've ever seen.
2022-03-19 15:17
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Why? Maybe nbk denied a try. Do you have any background information? Or just assumptions?
2022-03-19 15:26
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#143
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Europe Zwenix
Well if that was the case and NBK wouldn't like the terms then byebye. Unless the management is even more retarded than I thought
2022-03-19 16:03
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NBK's tweet implies that he had no say in this kick. Just like you are claiming he's making assumptions, you are too. I'm pretty sure NBK wanted to play with this team, but they didn't want to give him more than 1 tournament, which is just bs in my opinion.
2022-03-19 16:25
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Good article and i agree, but every article you guys post are just too long.
2022-03-19 15:38
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I dont even care about NBK, but making an article saying how he was doomed from the start? why? who cares? just leave the man alone.
2022-03-19 15:42
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#145
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Brazil 00Nation
lol
2022-03-19 16:10
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#149
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France d0py
because hes bad /close
2022-03-19 16:20
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Who cares he’s washed up
2022-03-19 16:22
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Honestly he wasn’t even really THAT bad just a little inconsistent. The dude had to jump back in to this game at the top level after trying Valorant, he was gunna be rusty but he had some really good games and moments. He deserves a shot somewhere. I still believer he never really should have been kicked from OG to begin with
2022-03-19 16:37
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what a bs whole article says: well done mouz, nbk you deserve this . LOL okay not cringe at all org blocked ) oh and this writer as well)
2022-03-19 16:41
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#159
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Brazil Gustavoh
NBK >>> JDC
2022-03-19 16:45
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But JDC had -25, -20 on the last series, he will become a strong player, but he is not fully ready for t1.
2022-03-22 22:00
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Controversial article, but I guess it does make sense to kick him earlier rather than later. It just seems strange that they would sign him and then kick him so fast. He played his role suitably and did put up good games in EPL. Perhaps there is indeed something to his attitude that they didn't like, as well as JDC's fragging and attitude just being better. We won't truly know though because I doubt Mouz will want to elaborate too much on it.
2022-03-19 16:53
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For me, MOUZ shitty org.
2022-03-19 16:59
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unluko mens
2022-03-19 17:15
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How much did Mouz Ceo pay you to write this? This decision was a blunder and unethical, no two ways about it
2022-03-19 17:17
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A blunder PR-wise but if they only care about winning games maybe not a blunder. Unethical, yeah probably.
2022-03-19 17:21
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with 4 inexperienced players and an IGL who is clearly lacking of leadership. Watch them losing 2 v 5. Sycrone cannot be the leader from behind and cannot replace dexter.
2022-03-22 17:38
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I assume they'll grind T2 events for experience before trying T1 again.
2022-03-23 04:52
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The RMR is like the next days. I doubt they will grind a lot of since that event. I don' think that move will make them winning anyway. Firepower without strats/ proper defaults won't go far anyway.
2022-03-23 12:30
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I assume they won't make it that far into RMR but it'll be experience
2022-03-23 12:30
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Sure. I doubt dexter will be there on the long term anyway.
2022-03-23 12:31
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Personally I'm conflicted. I agree but your removing more experience. Let's remember that Bymas is still only 18. He doesn't have a great amount of experience. frozen is pretty experience in t1. Seems dexter is adjusting pretty quickly now, but torzi has almost no experience despite his good playing at katowice. JDC performed admirably, but unless he adjusts extremely quickly mouz is still quite screwed in terms of experience. mouz still lacks the mental fortitude to play games and t1 isn't as forgiving as it is in t2. In reality, I see no way this roster works until sometime next year, which if that is mouz's intention, I'm more on the agree side. Still though, the org did screw NBK over which is pretty scummy.
2022-03-19 17:19
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#174
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Germany mainak90
There is no way this roster works with Dexter as igl. Also on top of this there is no good anchor player in this team. Frozen, Torszi, Bymas are all good players with relative inexperience compared to their intended competition and worse is the fact that they're all incredibly inconsistent. This mouz squad will only succeed under one solid igl and another really solid experienced anchor player who can be a consistent performer while one of the rest can pick up the slack any given day. Tldr: we need a good igl and another ropz clone in the team.
2022-03-19 17:38
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For me, they want to expose the talents of their players to sell some of those after the RMR/major (but I'm betting last places at the RMR with that team) . I make no sense to keep dexter or to not try with nbk. Dexter is clearly lacking of leadership and remove NBK won't add more.
2022-03-23 12:33
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#227
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Germany mainak90
True
2022-03-24 13:22
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#173
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Finland M0nzaa
Who car? My opinion: nbkry valorante :()
2022-03-19 17:33
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if he was doomed from the start, why try then? (this is knowing he would fail at the end)
2022-03-19 17:44
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MODS WHERE ARE YOU??? BAN THIS GUY FOR TELLING HIS OPINION!!! ITS HLTV!
2022-03-19 18:14
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really sad, and i don't agree with hltv but, I was happy to see such a veteran doing so well in a completely new team, MOUZ had some energy and you know that it has been a long time since MOUZ had something to say against great teams. With this lienup (Including NBK ofc), they did good during the IEM, so I just don't get it. Maybe some informations miss in that case, we'll never know. Sad
2022-03-19 18:43
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#181
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Argentina atriX^
For such a long article, you seemed to miss another important point. Dexter. If NBK- has the experience and did as well as he could’ve expected in a hard entry role, then why not consider him for the IGL role? Fragging wise, NBK- is better and dexter has had a year to show what he can do. This leads me to believe it’s sycrone who maybe doesn’t like NBK or doesn’t share his vision of how to play the game.
2022-03-19 19:46
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#188
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Europe Khanan
He said that ropz said that dexter isn’t that good as a igl because he’s too introverted or not motivating enough, for me it’s obvious as well that NBK is probably the better igl, just look at his trophy case.
2022-03-19 21:38
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+1 I think Sycrone is thinking himself as a leader. I cannot replace the lack of leadership of dexter inside the game. The team will lose 5 v 3 or 5 v 2 very often. I'm pretty sure.
2022-03-22 17:40
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#185
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Europe Khanan
Great article, well balanced opinion. Mouz management is pure chaos, they shouldn’t do shit like this again.
2022-03-19 21:32
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#186
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Sweden dogtown
obv on mouz payroll
2022-03-19 21:33
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it's definitely unrelated to his in-game performance. It must be some interpersonal problem or some kind of it.
2022-03-19 21:35
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#189
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Germany ConAction
absolutely agree with the last paragraph
2022-03-19 21:54
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imagine being nbk and reading this lmao
2022-03-20 11:52
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TL;DR. Sorry to the author, but I process so much data every day that I won't read such a long story. Please. Do a short summary at the bottom.
2022-03-20 22:49
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it should been -dexter +JDC +siuhy (as 6th) NBK- would IGL and siuhy would share NBK-'s experience so when he transitioned to coach siuhy would be ready to IGL in tier one. Easy. Simple. Yet, somehow dexter still in the team.
2022-03-21 04:45
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Interesting take. But still, at a personal level, this must be really hard for him, because it's fudnamentally unfair.
2022-03-21 17:22
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#222
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Turkey Nerd_With_No_Life
imagine being nbk and reading this lmao
2022-03-23 07:21
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