The case for Swiss system open qualifiers

Open qualifiers are throwing up more exciting upsets than ever, but is this a good thing?

Counter-Strike prides itself on its open circuit. Compared to the franchise leagues of League of Legends and, soon, VALORANT, we are proud of the fact that teams like Cloud9 (under Gambit Youngsters and later Gambit), Movistar Riders, Bad News Eagles, Spirit and Copenhagen Flames can undergo long journeys from tier two to the Major. Success is earnt, not bought.

Admittedly, this is only true these days of the Valve Majors. BLAST and ESL, the two biggest operators, run semi-closed circuits with partner teams, leaving fewer spots for the open qualifiers — but there are still spots. ESL Pro League is part of a ladder all the way down to ESEA Open and the system still allows, however difficult, for you to grab four friends and make it to the top. BLAST has qualifiers upon qualifiers for teams around the world, and Gambit won BLAST Premier Spring Final 2021 as a non-partnered team coming from the final qualifier, the Showdown.

Movistar Riders are the latest team to underperform and fall in open qualifiers

Online open qualifiers are a necessary part of this ideological stance. It is simply not feasible for 256+ team single-elimination tournaments to be run on LAN or with best-of-threes, which presents a problem: Teams have to qualify for a LAN tournament online, in what is functionally a very different video game. It is a more extreme version of a Premier League football team having to play on a muddy, slow pitch in the FA Cup in a village in the middle of nowhere.

This, naturally, causes upsets. Movistar Riders is only the latest top team to be taught a lesson by the cruel world of open qualifiers — just ask Apeks, TITANS, and Eternal Fire how easy Counter-Strike is without partner slots. Other teams, like the top five side Astralis, scraped through the grueling RMR open qualifier brackets by the skin of their teeth after several eight-hour marathon days.

Having upsets is not necessarily a problem in and of itself, but this is a good time to take a step back: What is the point of a qualifier for a tournament? Objectively, the answer is to whittle down a large group of squads to be left with only the best teams at the end. Single-elimination open qualifiers, plainly, do not achieve this goal. For every Bad News Eagles there are multiple teams that go out in last place after the open qualifiers never to be seen again.

Bad News Eagles' run at PGL Major Antwerp was a perfect example of the open circuit working

That is why there are four open qualifiers; tournament organisers are giving the big, LAN-proven teams as many chances as possible to get lucky and avoid an upset. But there might be a solution right under our noses. In fact, it's already used in the Major cycle, only later on: Chess' Swiss-system tournament format.

Round-robin is obviously ill-suited for 512-team tournaments, as is GSL, for taking too long. Best-of-one single-elimination whittles down the number of teams quickly, but is so punishing that the chances of the best teams qualifying is lower than it would be in an optimal setting. Swiss offers a middle-ground of the two, featuring the same or less matches as a single-elimination bracket while there is a higher bar for elimination than a single best-of-one against a team you have never played before.

The system we use for the Majors is actually a heavily modified version of what Julius Müller thought up for a chess tournament in Switzerland in 1895. In fact, it is unheard of for Swiss tournaments in chess to feature elimination until the very end of play. While the presence of elimination games is convenient for LAN tournaments like the RMR and Major for both entertainment and logistical reasons, there is no need to introduce the same principle in online open qualifiers.

The Swiss system was first used for the Major group stage at ELEAGUE Atlanta 2017

The lack of elimination in chess tournaments doesn't necessarily carry with it the removal of incentive for people to try because ELO is so important, but there is still a solution: The Gibson Rule, whereby players who are mathematically secured of qualification or elimination are excused from future rounds. Swiss will also solve the issue of teams giving up after the first few games; rather than byes for the team whose opposition forfeited, Swiss tournaments can adjust for odd numbers fairly easily by re-jigging the pairings.

For a bracket of 512 teams, which is about standard for these open qualifiers, nine rounds of Swiss would be needed, though many teams would play less due to the Gibson Rule. If we still wanted to have four open qualifiers — and arguably, we would not need as many as four since Swiss is so much fairer — split over two days each, only the teams with the best four records would be given an RMR spot. This brings us to the major flaw of Swiss: A tiebreaker, either Buccholz or play-off matches, would often be the thing to decide which team got the RMR spot.

There is also the fact that in Swiss, round one has to completely finish before the pairing can be done for round two. So, in theory, 510 teams could be waiting for a single quadruple-overtime match to finish. You can imagine how Twitter would light up in that scenario.

Games like mousesports' 31-28 win over FlipSid3 at MLG Columbus would delay the entire field in Swiss

The same flaws are present in chess, though draws help prevent tiebreakers by giving players a chance to salvage 0.5 points out of a game. It comes down to opinion, but the benefits of Swiss seem to outweigh teams having to wait half an hour to play their next game. There are also solutions, such as scheduling around the possibility of a long game by having fewer games per day. In an ideal world, we could even only play one game per day in one big Swiss system, and make it best-of-threes to boot.

Nine days of play (only one more than the current system) spread over two weeks, with one best-of-three for each team per day. The sixteen highest-ranked teams at the end of action would then qualify for the RMR. Not only does this reduce randomness by letting teams anti-strat, it would be less exhausting for players than back-to-back eight-hour days — how can we expect teams to be at their best in such a scenario?

There is an argument that open qualifiers should be grueling and unforgiving, this is the Major we're talking about — Movistar Riders, Apeks and stable teams around the top 30 should on paper be able to get through at least one of these four open qualifiers ahead of mix-teams put together in the last minute, even if it's in a long day of online best-of-ones. Yet they don't.

We have seen so many open qualifiers over the years, and teams that we know should breeze through on name value alone stumble again and again. In Swiss, teams play other teams on the same record, so we can tell if an upset is repeatable. Swiss does not punish underdogs, if anything it rewards teams by re-iterating that their run against multiple more well-known opponents was legitimate.

The key point here is that the more efficient the qualifier, the better the tournament. Open qualifiers still need to exist to give new teams a chance to rise, but the RMRs and the Majors are supposed to be fought between the very best teams in Counter-Strike — the Swiss system would ensure every team to qualify unreservedly deserved to do so. Thus, we would get more competitive and entertaining games at the RMR and the Major, which is the only objective that matters for an open qualifier.

Chess has been holding open tournaments for hundreds of people for more than a century, and Swiss is the system they have settled for. Maybe, just maybe, there is a reason for that.

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2022-08-30 21:43
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NER0 always writing bangers
2022-08-31 00:21
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#108
Faceit premium user Faceit level 9  | 
Skadoodle | 
Germany talentresistent
+1 ner0 with the interesting article like always
2022-08-31 15:06
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#105
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Yugoslavia Acceb
Case for African qualifiers and more spots for Asia all in the name of growing the scene. It's embarrassing to see that we have taken away qualifiers and even reduced spots for African and Asian countries over the years while at the same time valve claims to be expanding in Asian markets. It's a fucking joke /Discuss
2022-08-31 13:16
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shadap weeb go vach naruto
2022-08-31 23:06
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#113
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Yugoslavia Acceb
enojy the ban
2022-09-01 03:43
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#3
deko | 
Russia pienon
ok
2022-08-30 21:43
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its good
2022-08-30 21:44
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SWITZERLAND BESTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2022-08-30 21:45
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1 reply
flag checks out
2022-08-30 21:50
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nice
2022-08-30 21:45
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I think this is needed. But maybe compromise? Round 1-3 single elimination. Then swiss?
2022-08-30 21:47
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14 replies
I think that would actually be a good middle ground. Most random teams playing just for the lulz would be out, then the teams that are actually seriously trying get a fairer chance.
2022-08-30 22:44
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#48
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France Bibo_
I seriously believe it is the best way. With the majority of teams out (like 75% in round 3), the qualifier wouldn't take longer that what we are used to.
2022-08-31 00:01
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+1, I think this is the best option. Make it single-elimination until 256 teams, then go for the swiss system.
2022-08-30 23:41
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#56
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Europe kuu1
Maybe ever deeper, up to the 128 or ever the 64 teams round.
2022-08-31 01:03
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1 reply
I think 64 is really small, but 128 is good
2022-09-01 01:19
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#49
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Slovakia GloryMole
+1
2022-08-31 00:04
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Or how about a pre-qualifier? Let’s say 128 best-ranked teams (basically any proper team should make the cut) proceed directly to the Swiss open qualifiers and will face 128 opponents from the BO1 pre-qualifier (that takes place 1 day before).
2022-08-31 00:54
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#60
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Czech Republic PaYaB
+1
2022-08-31 02:26
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#63
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Finland Hei456
You're a genius
2022-08-31 02:42
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actually intelligent hltv comment and replies
2022-08-31 03:30
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+1
2022-08-31 05:41
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+1
2022-08-31 11:11
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#103
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Finland sway777
+1
2022-08-31 11:48
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+1
2022-08-31 13:45
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the last picture is demonic
2022-08-30 21:48
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#14
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markeloff | 
Brazil diixon
Whats wrong with STYKO man?
2022-08-30 21:54
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#53
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Slovakia Adwarin
niko pic...
2022-08-31 00:35
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1 reply
work hard play hard
2022-08-31 09:02
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possessed much?
2022-08-31 09:50
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#96
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Brazil AWFenrir
He was getting a certain "stimulus" if you know what I mean.
2022-08-31 11:37
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#11
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Hungary ShadYyBoy
Interesting article. Apeks :((
2022-08-30 21:49
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Niko picture best
2022-08-30 21:54
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Apeks 0/7 KEKW
2022-08-30 21:55
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#17
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jcobbb | 
Poland Berbe123
Open qualifiers are good rn
2022-08-30 22:00
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Good idea though i dunno if i like literally every stage of the major being swiss system when both stages of the major already are and have been for years
2022-08-30 22:00
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#27
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United Kingdom Theodoooore
Why?
2022-08-30 22:11
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Well it's a good system but has its own flaws as well and there are other systems as well which could be used somewhere. At least in the RMRs for example it's a bit stupid how part of the qualifying teams get straight past the challenger stage by maybe getting an easier path to 3-0. Like Copenhagen Flames last time won 2 bo1s against Sprout and Sinners but G2 went to Challenger stage because they got upset in the first bo1 though they won the next 3 games. And in swiss system you can mostly only prepare for your first opponent.
2022-08-30 22:24
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Make RMRs with 48/64 teams from all regions, play a big swiss system and then u have the top 16/24 that gets to the Major. That’s how you get a better seeding and you make sure the best teams play at the major. Then at the Major you could run any system you want. I personally would love to see again a major with 16 teams in 4 groups (GSL bo3s) to make it to the play-offs. Imagine a major with just a 16 team Double-Elimination bracket, winner takes it all.
2022-08-30 23:48
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Yeah that's kinda what I though as well. For the earlier stages I swiss can be very good but I don't know how I feel about GSL/Double elimination being abandoned completely.
2022-08-31 00:01
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i like this one this way without region spots the teams from weaker regions have a chance to really snatch more spots solely based on their performance
2022-08-31 03:36
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#72
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Canada p1peb0mb
G2 lost and CPH won. Nothing else matters. Major circuit don't give a shit about world rankings. It has its own seedings and invite systems based on each teams performance in the circuit
2022-08-31 04:19
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Lmao good logic bruh. G2 didn't lose, they qualified with 3-1. How do you think it's reasonable that one bo1 upset against you even if you win following 3 games means you have to win 3 more matches than somebody that gets few bo1 wins against tier 3? That's not how swiss system is meant to be used and it's an obvious flaw, it's not my own idea.
2022-08-31 09:58
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#19
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Switzerland Sp0rk
Good idea, hopefully it is feasible to implement
2022-08-30 22:01
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LMAO nice pic niko
2022-08-30 22:01
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Its clear that hltv is just trying to find excuses so they wouldn't have to change their ranking when top3 loses to randos.
2022-08-30 22:04
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#32
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Germany _car
They never change the rankings manually so it's not like it matters
2022-08-30 22:26
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I meant more about acknowledging the problem that the rankings having on displaying the actual differences between tier1 teams to others and how tier1 teams are being inflated by franchise. Did not mean changing any ranking manually, rather coming up better algorithmes to ranking calculations
2022-08-30 23:39
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#23
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United Kingdom kennyvenom
Astralis were very close to not qualifying. Online cs is so random and can be manipulated by deliberately messing with your connection/ping etc.
2022-08-30 22:04
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And bad coders
2022-08-31 09:02
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#26
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Bangladesh ImpacT_
that Niko pic is legendry lmao
2022-08-30 22:11
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#28
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United Kingdom Theodoooore
One huge open quali with BO3s would be really good fun
2022-08-30 22:12
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EZ FOR EF 😎
2022-08-30 22:13
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classic choko malding
2022-08-30 22:15
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If there are m4 open qualifiers and you don’t qualify you’re trash
2022-08-30 22:36
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Yea you dont deserve to be in the rmr if u can't get through 4 qualifiers
2022-08-30 22:50
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#50
deko | 
United Kingdom lucina
+1
2022-08-31 00:05
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#78
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Poland Chiirs
Wise words.
2022-08-31 08:09
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#35
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World Lyoa
2022-08-30 22:45
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apeks is a trash team that deserves nothing and has accomplished nothing, so they shouldnt be used as an example of the failings of the RMR open qualifiers
2022-08-30 22:56
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Failing 4 qualifiers means that they don't deserve to attend
2022-08-30 23:07
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#39
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Norway Astro_iwnl
I didnt even know cs was an outlier with our open circuits and qualifiers. The first paragraph made me proud of cs lol
2022-08-30 23:15
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very nice piece, agree with it fully
2022-08-30 23:22
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apeks should never have been expected to pass the open quals
2022-08-30 23:49
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#46
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Sweden Cveta
No you have four open qualifiers those are enough for top tier teams.
2022-08-30 23:59
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#51
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donk | 
United States larrypotato
premier league mentioned
2022-08-31 00:15
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I dont think esl or blaat examples are good examples, i would rather see everyon3 going through open bo1 qualifiers than see partner teams just being there and one teams coming through qualifiers. Blast for me at least means 0 as a competition aside from finals in december, i would rather see upsets in open or even qualifiers, i would rather see lesser known teams playing like shit than partner teams playing like shit anyways bur getting miney anyways
2022-08-31 00:42
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u think blast and esl would do so? that'll only make teams unwilling to buy the partnership
2022-08-31 03:24
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I know they wont do that and that sucks
2022-08-31 07:38
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Most of arguably better teams still made it which proves that current system is working. It also gives more chances to underdogs.
2022-08-31 01:13
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#58
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Brazil b_ugalu
thats just too many words to say you wanted all franchise/sponsored/~pRofEsSiOnaL~ teams in europe to make it grow a pair
2022-08-31 02:02
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Cry is free Dont want open qualify? Do better on major.
2022-08-31 02:08
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#61
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United States BGS
How about exemptions? Why does FaZe need to play in the RMR european quali's? They won the major. Send them to the next. Same goes for Astralis in a sense. They made the majors last year why not have them just be exempt for the Open qualifier and send them straight to the closed qualifier?
2022-08-31 02:29
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for fairness they should earn the spot by qualifying what if faze suddenly disbands and let 5 nonamers form a new team? iirc Faze is already awarded straight to the RMR w/o the open quals
2022-08-31 03:16
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here when talking about a "team",we are talking about the 3 man core,so that's no a problem
2022-08-31 09:29
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Faze didnt play rmr qualifiers wtf you talking about? They got a spot in the rmr for free
2022-08-31 03:27
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#97
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n0rb3r7 | 
Finland Delre
This was the previous major system. iirc the legends get direct seeding into the next rmr. The rmr system gives chances for the smaller teams higher chances, in the end to make the major. in the EU rmrs there are a total of 12, who didnt go through qualis, or 6 per rmr. that leaves a total of 4 smaller teams, if all the teams that got seeded from the major make it, to make the major
2022-08-31 11:38
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#62
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Hong Kong Iukka
y'all aren't ready for me yet
2022-08-31 02:32
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niko "suck me dry" photo
2022-08-31 02:43
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wtf i didnt know niko was this huge how tf this dude cut down so much weight and became a chad
2022-08-31 03:21
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a really nice read and hope the swiss system will be implemented for all fairness
2022-08-31 03:21
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if the ultimate goal is to make sure the best teams qualify, then the best system would be a diverse group of experts just choosing what teams get in.
2022-08-31 05:06
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#95
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n0rb3r7 | 
Finland Delre
Name
2022-08-31 11:33
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Haha that would be so messed up!
2022-08-31 11:43
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Allow draws, and there shouldn't be any drawn-out overtime games, e.g. never more than 30 rounds played in a map.
2022-08-31 05:38
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#94
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n0rb3r7 | 
Finland Delre
Nah draws are bad.
2022-08-31 11:33
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NiKorgasm
2022-08-31 05:53
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So in a 9 round swiss format with 512 teams, only team(s) that go 9-0 and 8-1 pretty much qualify? Not sure how much I like that
2022-08-31 08:27
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Far from it: six of them are 7-2 and with the suggested bo3-mode it would be a pretty fair outcome. The only problem is, to determine these six out of 36 with 7-2...
2022-09-01 00:30
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#80
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Germany MTD3
good take. i hope volovo read this
2022-08-31 08:29
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Niko eyes xD
2022-08-31 09:42
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there has to be a point where Bo3s come in to play. Some of these online warlords are wasted spots because of the Bo1 format
2022-08-31 10:03
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#89
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Spain m4t4
bo1 shouldnt be a thing in tier1. and open qualifiers should have at least 2 bo3 4 qualifiers are enough chances. rip riders
2022-08-31 10:50
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Sad for riders.. but the system is pretty good as it is ngl
2022-08-31 11:42
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#115
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Palestine M0en_
bro you are a legend literally joined the site one year after I was born lol
2022-09-25 21:03
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If they ever want to do that, then they will pretty much reduce qualifiers from 4 to just 2 or even 1. Swiss format in general takes a long time to conclude (even ESL pro league takes a month with only 24 teams).
2022-08-31 11:09
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#93
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n0rb3r7 | 
Finland Delre
Yes but you should remember esl pro league has 4 groups, and a single group takes 5 days. then there are also the 2 day breaks between groups. the 4 groups themself take 28 days of the entire tournament
2022-08-31 11:31
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#92
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n0rb3r7 | 
Finland Delre
Swiss is good for the underdogs.
2022-08-31 11:29
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Idk, I think the open qualifiers are pretty nice! The "must qualify"-teams kinda all qualified but we also got some that had to expectations to qualify but couldn't and some teams that nobody counted on that actually qualified. Pretty good overall
2022-08-31 11:42
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#102
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Czech Republic Sarkod
Niko getting that gawk gawk 3000
2022-08-31 11:45
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swiss rewards underdogs in bo1 stage, so in theory they can fuck up something that looks good on paper
2022-08-31 12:10
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yes, I agree
2022-08-31 13:37
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the last statement killing it "Chess has been holding open tournaments for hundreds of people for more than a century, and Swiss is the system they have settled for. Maybe, just maybe, there is a reason for that." yes, swiss system is the best for qualifier but worst for deciding winner
2022-08-31 20:37
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#114
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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France StickyRice
As long as tournaments don't use the most boring system ever : the GSL. GSL be like : A (number 1 ranked team in that group) beats (easily) D (worst team in that group) B faces C (one wins, doesn't really matter which one) Winner of B vs C loses to A (A qualifies, for next phase) Loser of B vs C, plays and wins (most of the time) vs D And then we have a rematch B vs C and most of the time, the team that won the first time, wins again. tl;dr YAY for round robin and swiss system NOPE to GSL
2022-09-01 12:59
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