Europe RMR A round 5 matches set; illogical use of Legends Stage decider seeding comes under fire

FaZe vs. MOUZ headlines the final round of play in the BLAST.tv Europe RMR A tournament.


Update: Explanation never comes, deciding match goes ahead as originally announced

That announcement from BLAST never came and the match between GamerLegion and Bad News Eagles for the Legends Stage spot has started.


Update 21:30 : BLAST is due to make an announcement regarding the seeding of the Legends Stage decider later tonight, HLTV.org has learned.


Matchups of the fifth round at the European RMR have been set following the conclusion of round four, which saw FaZe, B8, and Falcons drop to the 2-2 pool after losing the qualification matches and OG, Apeks, and MOUZ join them after surviving elimination bouts.

Are FaZe Major-ready or will MOUZ send them to the last chance qualifier?

The final round will pit the aforementioned six teams up against one another in pairs for direct qualification for the BLAST.tv Paris Major Challengers Stage.

The losing teams of the fifth will have one more shot at making it to Paris through the last chance qualifier, where they will join the 2-3 teams from the B tournament in a battle between six teams for Europe's 17th spot at the Major.

In a match of the day, FaZe will face off against MOUZ in Finn "⁠karrigan⁠" Andersen's team's third opportunity to qualify for Paris after they lost 0-2 series to Natus Vincere and Bad News Eagles in their previous attempts.

Below are the round five matches:

Date Matches
BLAST.tv Paris Major 2023 Europe RMR A
09/04/2023
11:00
Match
09/04/2023
13:15
Match
09/04/2023
14:20
Match

Another match will be played between two of the three 3-1 teams to decide which one gets to skip the Challengers Stage. The organizers announced that GamerLegion would play the match against Bad News Eagles, a selection that has come under fire over the illogical use of the seeding system that affects that decision.

There are three teams who finished 3-1 in the Swiss group, but with four Legends Stage up for grabs in the first European RMR only two of the three 3-1 teams can earn that berth. The Buchholz score (the sum of scores of a team's opponents) is used to determine which of the three teams has the highest seed and advances straight to the Legends Stage, while the lower two seeds fight it out for the other spot. However, instead of waiting for round five matchups to finish and the Buchholz scores to determine final seeding, the organizers used results after the fourth round.

This has resulted in Into the Breach getting the automatic Legends Stage spot despite the fact that GamerLegion could still finish above them in the seeding if B8 win their 2-2 match.

The same situation occurred back in the IEM Rio European RMRs, where the organizers also used seeding after round four instead of waiting for round five despite the fact that the seeding could still be affected by the final results.

Date Matches
BLAST.tv Paris Major 2023 Europe RMR A
09/04/2023
11:00
Match
Denmark Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Age:
32
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.91
Maps played:
2117
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.69
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#2
Faceit level 10  | 
Choco | 
Kosovo cocofanboy
KKOOL
2023-04-08 21:28
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1 reply
Ez Legends for UK CS
2023-04-09 18:29
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stupid
2023-04-08 21:30
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idk
2023-04-08 21:31
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#5
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Romania PROXY_v2
???? no sense
2023-04-08 21:32
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yeah because ignoring 5th round really makes 0 sense
2023-04-08 21:32
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ITB legends over GL Both are horrible but I can’t-
2023-04-08 21:32
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BNE lucky for 3 majors in a row
2023-04-08 21:34
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1 reply
then it isnt luck? they 2-0 FAZE lmao.
2023-04-09 03:08
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#9
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
magixx | 
World mcs#
kinda unfair that this group has more legend's spots than group B which is clearly stronger :(
2023-04-08 21:35
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10 replies
True, but blast still considered a great organizer
2023-04-08 21:40
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4 replies
#11
Spinx | 
Finland KnelI
Yes blast fault obv obv
2023-04-08 21:47
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#23
Cooper | 
Europe kuu1
Volvo decided that.
2023-04-08 22:10
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The TO doesn't have a say on this you newfrog
2023-04-08 22:36
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It never was, they're one of the worst
2023-04-09 03:06
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#25
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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United Kingdom Theodoooore
Only feels unfair because favourites failed to make playoffs at Rio Blame the teams for losing their games
2023-04-08 22:17
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3 replies
wdym? He’s talking about the amount of legend’s spots which should be equal in both groups.
2023-04-09 03:09
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2 replies
#65
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United Kingdom Theodoooore
Was that not affected by which teams made playoffs in each? Maybe I'm confused
2023-04-09 11:11
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1 reply
Yes, but it still makes no sense. Just give teams equal amount of spots. Group B looks much stronger but have less spots.
2023-04-09 16:07
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Didn't notice that
2023-04-09 00:37
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Blast is a joke... time to boycott them like for real... who wants to watch ITB get wrecked in the legend stage, when they would never make it even out of the challengers stage
2023-04-08 21:48
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26 replies
#15
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France Evalion
They made it out of EU RMR which is stronger than challenger but okay buddy xD
2023-04-08 21:57
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20 replies
how is the rmr a gonna be stronger than challenger stage? 0/8
2023-04-08 22:00
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19 replies
#19
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France Evalion
EU RMR is stronger than challenger stage you guys are the only two unable to see it. Challenger stage is filled with teams that struggled in EU RMRs and NA/BR/ASIA/AU
2023-04-08 22:02
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18 replies
the challenger stage will consist of faze/mouz and 5 teams from rmr b which have teams like c9/spirit/g2/heroic/astralis/ence/forze/big/spirit + lets not forget 2 teams from furia/liquid/pain , meanwhile ur saying rmr a europe is gonna be stronger than challenger stage with teams like itb going to legends stage and teams like apeks/b8 and gamerlegion going through u cant be serious
2023-04-08 22:08
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and btw u have fucking fnatic as legends from rmr a a team that literally lost to teams like let us cook 9ine and almost lost vs viperio a 14 streak losing team, please
2023-04-08 22:09
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16 replies
#27
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France Evalion
I'm talking in general and it will still be the case this time, very few teams that suceeded at the EU RMRs will fail at the challenger stage.
2023-04-08 22:28
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13 replies
no the general fact is that most teams that end in challenger stage from group b/furia/liquid/pain would clear group a easly and that is a fact
2023-04-08 22:30
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12 replies
#32
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France Evalion
FURIA Liquid and pain lololol
2023-04-08 22:41
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11 replies
itb b8 apeks gl viperio(XD) fnatic(XD) and more and more
2023-04-08 22:42
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10 replies
#35
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France Evalion
Do you even watch the games mate? Apeks, ITB etc play good csgo xD ITB overtime vs NaVi, Apeks 13-16 FaZe... We're both gonna agree EU RMR B is way better than A, this isn't a problem. However praising FURIA when the coach himself said they aren't even a team atm aint helping your argument. I will remind you that FURIA failed at Katowice playin (LOL)
2023-04-08 22:47
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typical tier 2/3 teams overperforming on bo1 games to dissapear in bo3 (apeks , b8 , itb) dont even bs me that these teams are anywhere good as in group b or pain furia or liquid even if they have rough time now still would clear group a in eu and that is a basic fact which everyone says that this group is a joke compared to others. So just stop wasting my time trying to win a argument which u wont
2023-04-08 22:49
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#37
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France Evalion
EU RMRs are stronger in general than the challenger stage. This is factual whether you like it or not. EU RMR A being a weaker group than usual do not change that statement. Also Apeks or ITB can win paiN no biggy lmao
2023-04-08 22:52
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that is the biggest joke i have heard so far, pm me when itb or apeks will do some damage against tier 1/2 teams on lan like pain did last time on esl. never said that eu rmr arent stronger than others , but saying challenger stage would be weaker than this dogshit group with teams like these then you're mental
2023-04-08 22:55
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#44
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France Evalion
This dogshit group will have 4 teams in challenger then you add the dogshit that will make it from NA and Asia RMR :D very strong challenger stage!!!!!!!
2023-04-08 23:34
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4 replies
if furia pain complexity or liquid are dogshit imagine what are itb apeks and b8
2023-04-08 23:40
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#47
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France Evalion
Liquid most likely won't be in the challenger stage. I showed you that FURIA is ass in 2023 already. coL the guys that didnt make it last time from NA RMR? Truly powerhouses to be scared of!!! In reality, we will see how the "weak" teams from RMR A will do in the challenger stage and we will talk again (after they qualify to legend).
2023-04-08 23:44
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Dogshit from asia and rmr? Welcome mongolz(2:0 c9), welcome rare atom, welcome lulquid(ok, they struggle against t1, but they will easily take t2/3 teams), welcome pain(believe me, they can even beat t1). Also remember that winning match is not only skill, its also luck(timings) also timings have nothing to your skill(u cant say team is bad or good cuz of timings)
2023-04-08 23:44
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#49
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France Evalion
Rare Atom is asscheek lmao one fluke win vs jetlagged Liquid on EPL then 3 days after they got rolled in rematch. IHC? They are good but their Katowice = life event. paiN I agree that they showed good signs, let's see if they qualify to the major already. :-)
2023-04-08 23:46
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Bro, whats your iq? Im just asking.
2023-04-08 23:40
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Respect 9ine
2023-04-09 00:37
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1 reply
respectfully its just one of the many tier 2/3 teams that fnatic lost cuz they're trash
2023-04-09 00:40
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explain how it is blast's fault now
2023-04-08 22:00
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Blast doesn't decide this dumbass
2023-04-08 22:36
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1 reply
stfu idiot... Blast running the show... if they wanted they could push for the change
2023-04-08 23:06
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Its Valve's rulebook that says Buchholz gets frozen for 3-1s at round 4.
2023-04-09 00:36
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Yeah, It’s surely Blast’s fault that Sprout, VP and B8 lost to ITB.
2023-04-09 03:11
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#13
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United States minkmonk
Half of BLASTs management running the RMRs are dwarfing the screwups PGL made what did we expect
2023-04-08 21:51
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the last csgo major and we got to see itb and another tier 3 team in legends and most likely will miss out legendary orgs like nip or big just because of the imbalance they served. good job valve once again
2023-04-08 21:54
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#16
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France Evalion
What has ITB to do with the fact that NiP or BIG may not be good enough to qualify from their group? xD
2023-04-08 21:59
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3 replies
well... Group A has 6 top30 teams Group B has 13 top 30 teams
2023-04-08 22:03
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2 replies
put any of those strong t2 teams like 9ine or Monte in RMR A and they'll most likely make it to the Legends or at least 3-1. In RMR B they probably won't even qualify
2023-04-08 23:28
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so that's what I meant still we'll never know tho. But the groups being fucked by rio seeding is a fact
2023-04-08 23:30
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- Big - Legendary Pick one
2023-04-08 23:25
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what the fuck is this bullshit hahahahaa
2023-04-08 22:12
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god those matchups are stupid top 40 teams get to face each other but the highest teams are paired against each other.
2023-04-08 22:28
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2 replies
True, but these top 10 teams lost to these top 40 teams in BO1s. Who’s to blame?
2023-04-09 03:13
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1 reply
thats the fucked part.
2023-04-09 11:25
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Common Striker W
2023-04-08 22:29
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when exactly are they going to address this? keeping it like that is insanely stupid
2023-04-09 00:21
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Ukcs first major and LEGENDS!
2023-04-09 01:40
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The whole seeding and legends spot is shit. If you're 3-1 , you should not have a legends spot without a fight. You're not flawless. 1 bo1 + 2 bo3 should the standard. Or 2 bo3 instead of this 2 bo1. Bo1 are for flukers
2023-04-09 03:52
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#64
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
Ya faze are fuking fluking this. Hope they go 2-3
2023-04-09 10:23
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#62
Faceit level 6  | 
donk | 
United States larrypotato
HLTV/BLAST beef continues
2023-04-09 04:31
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IMAGINE COMPLAINING AFTER YOU LOSE TO APEKS. OMEGALUL
2023-04-09 06:04
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#67
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
huyak | 
Russia Svirv
BO3s instead of BO1s all the way should be standard for majors
2023-04-09 11:53
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