Who are the modern day big game Counter-Strike players?

Who performed best — and worst — in arena matches since the online era?

Nearly every Counter-Strike career begins in a comfortable environment, such as a bedroom or a LAN cafe. If a game goes badly you will never meet your teammates again and come the next morning all will be forgotten.

This all changes once you join a team and the pressure starts to ramp up. There are now people to let down, people whose opinion matters to you. If you get to LAN it increases again, with your teammates in the same room as you.

On stage, this is taken to the Nth degree. When you play an online game you are aware that people are watching at home, but it is disconnected. The number of viewers is just a number. When you walk into one of the game's biggest arenas, however, that changes.

If you peek above your monitor you can see just how many people are watching you. Lights are flashing. There might be smoke, or fire. All of a sudden the scale of your task becomes clear, there is nowhere to hide.

For some players this pressure can be back breaking. For others it can light a spark. These are the players that see stage matches not as unwelcome attention, but as a chance to write their legacy. It is this mentality, in part, that sets a great player out from a good one.

This ability to rise to the occasion is something that is not always easy to quantify. Even in arenas, pressure levels are not even. A grand final against FaZe at the LANXESS is different to a quarter-final against a group stage underdog on a Thursday afternoon with a half-empty crowd. Then there are events like the RMR, where the pressure is tangible even with no spectators at all.

But as a general rule it is under the lights in the arena that these big game players shine, so we thought it was time to quantify this 'clutch' ability — to demystify the narratives and see the forest from the trees. Using a sample of the 12 arena events we have had since the online era, we have built up a decent enough size. It's time to take stock and find out who are modern CS:GO's big game players.

Events considered

Sweden PGL Major Stockholm
Poland IEM Katowice 2022
United States IEM Dallas 2022
Germany IEM Cologne 2022
United Arab Emirates BLAST World Final 2022
Poland IEM Katowice 2023
Denmark BLAST Fall Finals 2021
Belgium PGL Major Antwerp
Portugal BLAST Spring Finals 2022
Denmark BLAST Fall Finals 2022
Brazil IEM Rio Major 2022
Brazil IEM Rio 2023

When we look at unfiltered rating there are few surprises in who comes out on top. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that Oleksandr "⁠s1mple⁠" Kostyliev, Mathieu "⁠ZywOo⁠" Herbaut, and Dmitry "⁠sh1ro⁠" Sokolov are the three best players in the world.

Beyond the big three, however, we start to see points of interest. Justin "⁠jks⁠" Savage has won all three arena events he has attended since the pandemic, and his 1.18 rating on stage is surely a part of the reason why (as well as being slightly inflated by that fact).

Nemanja "⁠huNter-⁠" Kovač, Helvijs "⁠broky⁠" Saukants, and Denis "⁠electroNic⁠" Sharipov fill out the top seven, all players who are backing up their reputations for big game play. They are joined in the top ten by Robin "⁠ropz⁠" Kool, Antwerp MVP Håvard "⁠rain⁠" Nygaard, and, slightly lower than we might expect, Nikola "⁠NiKo⁠" Kovač.

With the exception of sh1ro, and perhaps ZywOo and broky, these are all stalwarts of the scene, experienced heads who were more than used to arena play before the COVID pandemic. The clutch of riflers below the big three are the most interesting, a group of players who are good in groups but always seem to come away as the player of the match in a few playoff series.

Let's now look at the same data from a different angle, by comparing a player's arena rating to their rating in the group stages of the same twelve events.

jks impresses once again, though it is important to remember his abnormally high map win percentage in this sample. rain is next, his average of 1.15 in playoffs is 0.08 above his 1.07 group stage figure. ropz and broky are also present, which is no surprise given FaZe's wealth of post-COVID titles and their reputation for clutch play under pressure.

What might be more interesting here is to look at the players that do not improve. The median delta is about -0.04 — the score of René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen, sh1ro, and ZywOo — meaning that it is normal for players to not quite hit their group stage averages in the arena.

It is not just pressure that causes this drop-off. You are more likely to face harder opposition in playoffs, meaning closer games and lower ratings; there is always more than one factor at play. This type of comparison also punishes players with higher group stage ratings more than those who are more average because they have more to lose. A 0.04 drop-off for ZywOo and sh1ro is not too significant for that very reason.

The stats might become more significant when we move further down the list into the negatives. The bottom five players on this ranking include four of the very best players in the world: Sergey "⁠Ax1Le⁠" Rykhtorov, Ilya "⁠m0NESY⁠" Osipov, Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund and NiKo. All of them lose at least 0.09 rating points in the arena compared to in groups, dropping from around the 1.20 mark to 1.10.

Ax1Le is conspicuous here, a player we praised for a 1.26 rating in 'big matches' in 2022. Two things might explain this difference: One, the top 20 definition of 'big matches' is more lenient, defined as any match between teams in the second half of a big event. This includes the group stage winners' match in ESL's 6-team playoff format, as well as non-arena big events like ESL Pro League. The second is that Ax1Le's 2022 was inflated by his MVP performance at IEM Dallas, where he recorded a 1.33 rating in playoffs.

To date, that is the only time Ax1Le averaged a rating above 1.00 in the arena section of an event. In his last two arena events, he averaged a 0.92 rating in Rio in 2023, and 0.96 in the same stadium for the Rio Major in 2022. Add to that 0.99 ratings in Katowice in 2022 and 0.88 in Stockholm in 2021 and we start to see a picture emerge of a player that is not always at 100% under the lights.

stavn is also a concerning presence here, with a -0.11 drop off in the arena under a whopping sample size of 39 thirties (1166 rounds). It is simply over too many matches to not be a point of criticism, even if a 1.07 playoff rating is respectable in a vacuum.

NiKo is notable too, but perhaps more because he farms group stages so well with a 1.25 average rating than because a 1.15 arena rating is 'bad.' He is still good in arena matches, he is just not always the superstar he can be in groups. This explains why it is huNter- and m0NESY who came away from G2's back-to-back event wins with the MVPs despite NiKo being a better player on paper.

But we do need to take a step back here. These stats are interesting, especially for star players like stavn, Ax1Le, and NiKo, who have teammates above them, but they are not career-defining. We have only included 32 players here that played more than 450 rounds, but that is still only 15 full 30-round matches. That's less than two full events, so we are still working from a very limited sample size.

It is enough to identify trends, but not to write any player off. In the case of jks, who only just had enough sample size to be featured with 16 thirties, it is clear that the +0.12 difference in the arena is just as much to do with him winning all three events as it is to do with his experience and ability to withstand pressure. This is not to discredit the Australian, it is just to say that it is hard to attribute all of this +0.12 difference entirely to his individual level without a larger sample size.

An interesting case study in this regard is the career of s1mple, who has demonstrated a fairly even level of performance since 2017. By looking at his big game history we can see just how much team success is tied to rating in big games.

At first s1mple hovered above a 1.00 rating before coming into his own at Natus Vincere in 2017. There were struggles when he dropped to around a 1.15 rating in big games in the Danylo "⁠Zeus⁠" Teslenko-Ioann "⁠Edward⁠" Sukhariev era of NAVI, but once 2021 rolled around his rating skyrocketed along with the team's fortunes.

This is difficult to circumvent. You can argue that Natus Vincere's success came precisely because s1mple hit that astronomical peak in 2021, but it seems more probable from an eye test that he was only a slightly better and more experienced player just in a far better team. When you are winning games, your rating will inflate. Scoring 20 goals for Manchester City is probably less impressive than scoring 15 for Brentford.

The same applies in CS; the average rating in won rounds from the top 20 players of 2022 was 2.16, while that number drops to 0.95 in lost rounds. Winning more rounds thanks to being in a better team is always going to give your stats a bump. This is true of rating in all cases — it is part of why all five Astralis players ended 2018 above a 1.10 rating — but its effect is exaggerated when we look at smaller sample sizes like arena games.

De-coupling individual form from that of a player's team is very difficult. ZywOo has been criticised for his performances in elimination matches before, but he has only been outside of the top two performers in his team once since IEM Katowice 2022. It is true that he has underperformed there, but they have been team collapses more often than ZywOo letting the side down.

Like most of these articles, we are left asking you to take these numbers with a pinch of salt. This article does not mean that jks is the best player in the world, or that NiKo and stavn are the worst. This data shows a real trend, but it is not an irreversible one, nor does it define a player's arena play. Going into the Major, there are all sorts of possibilities.

Can those at the bottom overcome their supposed demons and disprove this list? Will those at the top stumble as their sample size increases or will they continue to bed in their impeccable record? Their CS:GO legacies might depend upon it.

Ukraine Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev
Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev
Age:
35
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
1495
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.67
Ukraine Danylo 'Zeus' Teslenko
Danylo 'Zeus' Teslenko
Age:
35
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.92
Maps played:
1405
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.69
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nemanja 'huNter-' Kovač
Nemanja 'huNter-' Kovač
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1559
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.66
Latvia Helvijs 'broky' Saukants
Helvijs 'broky' Saukants
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
817
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.61
Australia Justin 'jks' Savage
Justin 'jks' Savage
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1273
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.63
Estonia Robin 'ropz' Kool
Robin 'ropz' Kool
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1246
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.61
Russia Sergey 'Ax1Le' Rykhtorov
Sergey 'Ax1Le' Rykhtorov
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1087
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.63
Denmark Martin 'stavn' Lund
Martin 'stavn' Lund
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1244
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
Denmark René 'TeSeS' Madsen
René 'TeSeS' Madsen
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
962
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
France Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.27
Maps played:
1143
KPR:
0.84
DPR:
0.61
Russia Denis 'electroNic' Sharipov
Denis 'electroNic' Sharipov
Age:
24
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1420
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.66
Norway Håvard 'rain' Nygaard
Håvard 'rain' Nygaard
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1720
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.69
Russia Dmitry 'sh1ro' Sokolov
Dmitry 'sh1ro' Sokolov
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.23
Maps played:
1014
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.53
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.15
Maps played:
1717
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.67
Russia Ilya 'm0NESY' Osipov
Ilya 'm0NESY' Osipov
Age:
18
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.18
Maps played:
355
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.59
Ukraine Oleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Oleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Age:
25
Rating 1.0:
1.24
Maps played:
1673
KPR:
0.85
DPR:
0.63
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Europe mistermr
zywoo
2023-05-04 17:40
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Refrezh Sadge
2023-05-04 17:40
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3 replies
Crazy how fast he got washed
2023-05-04 18:37
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2 replies
+1
2023-05-04 22:19
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#245
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Australia moj3isme
+1
2023-05-06 07:41
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#4
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flameZ | 
Israel NorexAgada
Nice bait for stickers smh
2023-05-04 17:41
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#5
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NEO | 
Poland ScR1337
nice
2023-05-04 17:42
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#6
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Netherlands p2dr
stage affects some people, who knew
2023-05-04 17:43
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refrezh > s1mple confirmed
2023-05-04 17:44
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I guess jks static expression at all times helps keep him stable in high pressure
2023-05-04 17:44
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I think that he’s just calm.
2023-05-04 18:41
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Argentina fribergoat
Boombl4 goat
2023-05-04 17:45
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1 reply
Boombl4 AWARE.
2023-05-17 02:26
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Zywoo ofc. He is the greatest player of all time. No competition anymore.
2023-05-04 17:45
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nt 0 major
2023-05-04 17:47
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16 replies
needed 12 major to finally get one with the best players alongside him
2023-05-04 18:01
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s1mple managed to reach 2 major grand finals by the age of 21, unlike zywoo in his 22 years so far
2023-05-04 18:35
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4 replies
haha you rekt him bro
2023-05-04 18:52
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he didn't rekt me, I have a life outside HLTV so I can answer once or twice a day.
2023-05-05 11:28
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kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2023-05-05 13:37
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to be honest zywoo have pure skill, s1mple just fliks and put his mouse in hands like someone will die
2023-05-15 09:40
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GOAT s1mple in his second ever appearance at major carried NA trash to Major Grand Finals zywh0 in his 8488428428 appearance still trying to win a single playoff game LMAO
2023-05-04 18:51
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United Kingdom Umeroff
+1 And what did s1mple do in his very first major? --- just destroyed then world's best team (fnatic) in the 1st place decider.... #Justs1mplethings.
2023-05-04 21:24
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27 bomb on mirage against fnatic to qualify for playoffs GOAT things
2023-05-04 22:47
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#259
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North America 007DBR9
zywoo has a record that will never be broken, first 2 years in even t3 cs and he was instantly accended to god tier only next to s1mple and got top 1 2 years in a row
2023-05-11 08:42
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^^^^^ 2 bots above me trying to hide from the fact that s1mple is older and has electrogod besides him
2023-05-04 20:08
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seems like you're the bot, s1mple didn't have electronic in cologne 2016 XD
2023-05-04 20:31
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s1mple is better as of now but i expect zywoo to surpass him sometime in the next few years; hes 3 years younger and s1mple is slowly but steadliy getting worse it feels like
2023-05-04 21:08
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Agree. Zywoo is great but simple is goat. No debate, 3 times no1 hltv player ranking of the year, decorated trophy cabinet, experienced on both na and eu. Tbh the only other candidate to surpass simple is twistzzz but since hes not a carry on his team, his stats are much lower than both simple and zywoo
2023-05-05 03:13
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North America 007DBR9
It's sh1ro zywoo and s1mple, they're so far ahead of everyone else that has ever touched this game, they're like demi-gods. No one else is ever going to do the same thing those 3 have and will do. Talking about s1mple's hltv player rankings doesn't go in his favour, zywoo will very likely get top 1 this year, and got top 1 his first 2 years where he was even allowed to play as a pro, only narrowly losing out to s1mple last year. We don't talk about 2021 Twistzz isn't even the second best player on his team, let alone a "goat" contender
2023-05-11 08:47
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trutru
2023-05-11 14:15
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GOAT s1mple on top as usual.
2023-05-04 17:47
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Faceit plus user Faceit level 9  | 
Avencia | 
United States Avencia
I love you nero you are my idol in life sorry I meant to say great article
2023-05-04 17:47
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United States Apocasy
I like seeing graphs
2023-05-04 17:48
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1 reply
#148
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Czech Republic MartyCzech
JKS THE GOAT
2023-05-04 20:35
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JKS GOATED
2023-05-04 17:48
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1 reply
#213
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North America soduk_db
+1
2023-05-05 07:02
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Denmark rolade
jksex
2023-05-04 17:49
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NiKo and stavn biggest group farmers?
2023-05-04 17:50
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Elige and naf weren’t top 20 players in 2022 tho!! Frauds at HLTV
2023-05-04 17:50
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1 reply
They were close tho. I put naf in my top 20 so credit but unlucky
2023-05-05 02:20
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rain boss swag
2023-05-04 17:51
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2 replies
the norwegian stoic god
2023-05-04 17:55
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rain gigachad
2023-05-04 18:04
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NiKo biggest chocker confirmed?
2023-05-04 17:53
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3 replies
#74
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Bulgaria Joebama
1.15 rating= choker, even though he probably has 1.25 impact
2023-05-04 18:28
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1 reply
#119
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Chad maatsa
nt choko officially exposed by hltv, not even the best player on his team lmfaoooo
2023-05-04 19:37
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ax1le even bigger one, NiKo 2nd
2023-05-04 22:10
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Classic Niko. Always knew this guy was an overrated choker. Stavn right behind him for choking when it matters
2023-05-04 17:55
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Europe JuliusCaesar
s1mple GOAT, zywoo fanbois still delusional, the day goes on
2023-05-04 17:54
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5 replies
Weren't those s1mple fangirls claiming that ZywOo is significantly worse in playoffs? You see who is delusional now
2023-05-05 04:52
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1 reply
You are all the same, and I mean both of you
2023-05-05 05:29
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Since when are you baiting :o
2023-05-05 09:20
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2 replies
#217
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Europe JuliusCaesar
I am not baiting. Its just true statement. I didn't bait since I joined HLTV and I never will. Thats also true statement
2023-05-05 09:30
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sounded like a bait to me with the last sentence :D Ik, thats why I was so surprised to read this ^^ I felt like why would you add the 2nd part of the sentence, the first line is all thats needed :D
2023-05-05 10:31
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France Evalion
Cool article, stavn and NiKo PepeLaugh
2023-05-04 17:54
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1 reply
Stavn and jabbi always shit their pants on stage lmao.
2023-05-04 17:59
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Czech Republic hanylive
meta in 2k23=TEAM PLAY
2023-05-04 17:54
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1 reply
No? The reason why G2 won events and heroic didn’t was G2 didn’t choke on stage and stop making plays like stavn and Jabbi.
2023-05-04 17:57
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Brazil bugesy
xd
2023-05-04 17:55
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NiKo group stage warrior
2023-05-04 17:56
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Elige rated higher than twistzz when his team hasn’t won an event 😂😂😂 Bodied my idol tw0stzz the NA GOAT 😔😔
2023-05-04 17:58
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Ukraine dench1k
Modern day big players *with instant invites*
2023-05-04 17:59
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6 replies
This narrative has been disproven many times. Let it go.
2023-05-04 18:01
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I agree. A guy like woro2k is so good on lan. Instant invites like axile and shiro too.
2023-05-04 18:09
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The format is changing. Doors are opening. Give the industry time. As long as it doesn't go "corporate level corrupt", they'll realize how much better it is with only the best of the best on-stage/in-game. Invites will end and spots will only be earned. Gamer-fans will make it so!
2023-05-09 17:25
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#257
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Ukraine dench1k
They won't. Orgs making money by selling those slots, also they put a lot of effort to make those partner teams popular, so people getting used to them and like watching them although they're not as good as a screen tries to show us
2023-05-10 21:13
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THAT is the format that is changing. I already know how it is. But the "money world/game" is going to change too. What is and has been will no longer be. People want better ways. The BEST ways. And it is THE PEOPLE who hold (and have always held) the power. We are The Fans. We ARE "the money". We are the source of ALL "the haves" possess and/or desire. If we unite in wanting the best of the best...the "powers" that be have no choice but to keep us satisfied. Want better, my friend. And encourage everyone you know to want better too. In our entertainment (CS)...as well as all things. #NeverSettleOrAccept
2023-05-11 20:35
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#264
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Ukraine dench1k
Can only agree with you, mate. But the reality is they have contract for many years, so I really don't know how we can change that stuff.
2023-05-11 20:39
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appreciate NeroCS putting out good statistical analysis out there!
2023-05-04 18:00
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India Antr1c
niko teaching monesy how to choke , hahahahaah
2023-05-04 18:00
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thank hltv after reading the whole article i have stickers
2023-05-04 18:01
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Stinkers
2023-05-05 12:16
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Very cool analysis. 👍
2023-05-04 18:02
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Switzerland Sp0rk
Cool article, great graphics
2023-05-04 18:03
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m0nesy, NiKo and JACKZ all in bottom4 and it was aleksib's fault they didn't win anything with that lineup lmao
2023-05-04 18:03
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aleksib kick, g2 25 or more winstreak, stop defending aleksib gay pls
2023-05-04 19:25
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9 replies
still coping i see, NiKo bestest and definitely not a choker amirite?
2023-05-04 19:47
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8 replies
aleksib so good because he is only player from finland playing in t1?
2023-05-04 20:01
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7 replies
according to the article he isn't a choker at least
2023-05-04 20:07
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6 replies
according to facts he is shit igl and he didn't achieve anything in this game. Only reason finns defend him is because he is from finland
2023-05-04 20:17
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5 replies
major finals is an achievement tho
2023-05-05 00:19
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4 replies
I see no #20 in whole aleksib career so it maybe is but still this guy isn't smartest igl on planet
2023-05-05 00:21
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He isnt the smartest, but I also think he isnt the worst, like in G2 case when he joined first, fhey did improve and imo hard to judge the whole NiP situation as the org has been in a shitshow spiral for 3 or more years now
2023-05-05 00:25
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problem is with finns, not with aleksi at all, but still, if noname hooxi could make g2 better team, there should be no arguing about that.
2023-05-05 00:27
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Or maybe its nothing you guys talked about and jksex brought in his gigachad
2023-05-05 02:23
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How many arena games did g2 have with aleksib?Only katowice 2022 and spring finals 2022. Katowice 2022 they probably wouldn't have reached finals because of war. And blast spring finals he was highest rated player against vita. Edit: Forrgot dallas 2022 but NiKo played good on both inf and vert. G2 got stomped on mirage.
2023-05-04 19:57
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Well they still did reach katowice finals no matter how it went in your delusions and would have won the whole thing if niko didn't choke and/or jacks didn't suck. And this year they won the Kato finals with nearly the same ratings across the board except jks changed sides to replace jackz and also improved from 1.12 to 1.20.
2023-05-04 20:02
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Yes I never said NiKo wasn't to blame but if you think aleksib with g2 was good and kato wasn't an overperformance then you are the one delusional. Not all blame is on aleksi but you can't just blame other players. If you just look at NiKo's stats in kato final they are bad but they do not paint the whole picture. On inferno they were leading 15-7 and NiKo was the best performing player on that map until they started choking and lost. Keep in mind he already has lost 2 kato finals and 2 major grand finals. I can't imagine the mental pain he must be going through at that time. He was completely shaken by that loss and that carried over to mirage and dust2. Just imagine how he must have felt when mirage went on for so long and he was unable to recover from inferno. He probably knows if he performed better they could have won. So there is even more pressure on him. If you think I am seeing it into too much then NiKo himself said that after his katowice 2023 win that he got ptsd from losing inferno. Keep in mind they were up 2-1. If he can remember the memories of him losing when g2 was 2-1 up then that is nothing compared to katowice 2022.
2023-05-04 20:14
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Well I have my own picture of the whole thing and it honestly doesn't differ that much from what you wrote here. Though, I don't think Katowice was really an overperformance per se, it's just that the final already broke this lineup mentality-wise before they even had an opportunity to really get started. Then there is a multitude of other reasons as well for the underperformance after that. The team was mentally in a very bad place all the way until the 0-3 RMR and that disaster was what forced the core guys to re-evaluate everything and ultimately bounce back to win a couple events. I just like to poke fun at the haters that don't have a clue about anything and keep repeating the same things others are saying. You on the other hand are pretty reasonable for a delusional niko fan.
2023-05-04 20:33
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True you are also right. We don't know how g2 would be if they won katowice. Things could be totally different. I hate to say it but jackz was also a liability. G2's mental was absolutely broken both with and without aleksib. It was only during world final where it felt like they were positive and played good teams cs. My name's says I am delusional but I try to be rational and objective haha
2023-05-04 20:44
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I dont want to put too much hate on jackz tho, I feel like despite how he plays he did bring a lot of the hype and good atmosphere into a otherwise stoic g2. It was said that pretty much m0nesy wouldve been the only one screaming and everyone else wouldve been dead silent
2023-05-05 02:29
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He is a very good teammate and I also feel like he isn't utilized properly.
2023-05-05 10:11
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at the time aleksib joined g2 niko was at one of the worst lowpoints of his career lol
2023-05-05 05:11
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objectively wrong. NiKo was in beast form in 2021. He was also a beast in blast spring groups 2022 and kato groups. He avged 1.5 or 1.4 rating in kato groups while qualifying through the lower bracket.
2023-05-05 10:12
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interesting that the stats mostly confirm popular choker/big game player narratives, no one is really surprised to see stavn/niko choke on the arena or that jks/rain/elec are big game players
2023-05-04 18:03
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only one that comes to my mind is broky - a lot of people shitting on him whenever he has a bad game in a big moment, but this proves otherwise (my flag checks out 😎)
2023-05-05 00:20
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common ner0 W
2023-05-04 18:04
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> zywoo big game player > big games won: 1/100
2023-05-04 18:06
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18 replies
He has no help. Dupreeh plays good at rio and they win. Magisk played well at EPL last year and they win.
2023-05-04 18:08
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if he's a BIG game player, then he should win big games on his own, no? what does it mean, big game player and lose the vast majority of big games you play in? paradox.
2023-05-04 18:13
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16 replies
Can’t talk CS with everyone. Sorry.
2023-05-04 18:14
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2 replies
ye i know, flag checks out. but hey bro.. at least u can talk IT support with everyone.
2023-05-04 18:17
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#205
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New Zealand aim1tap
Bet they wont need IT support in your country considering most of the IT stuff has already been damaged by now
2023-05-05 04:11
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If kobe puts up 81& loses its not his fault. If zywoo only wins when he gets an ace thats also not his fault
2023-05-04 18:20
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men if kobe puts up 81 & loses 1)its science fiction material 2) yes it is his fault and he'd say so
2023-05-04 18:22
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Yea ig youre right. I still think cs is different but any basketball player who loses blames themself. (any superstar*) I guess you can view cs the same way
2023-05-04 18:25
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#69
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United States ThunderCloudNate
Just having a big game player doesn't make you immediately a winner. Having Tom Brady didn't win the Patriots every season, and Lebron didn't win every season he played in. These are still team games at the end of the day so yes ZyWoo is still one of the biggest Big Game players but when his teammates aren't pressing mouse 1 there isn't a lot he can do.
2023-05-04 18:25
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wdym i thought michael jordan played only 6 seasons in nba
2023-05-04 18:31
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big game players get called big game players cuz they get the dubs in big games. not because they lose. so at the end of the day, zywoo gotta perform/get dubs in quite a bit more big (semis/finals) games to be a big game player. till then he's "just" a great player.
2023-05-04 18:35
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#86
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United States ThunderCloudNate
As I JUST stated, you can not win every big game, especially not on your own. You're not talking sensibly. In that case, NO ONE is a big game player because not a single player in history has won every single big game in their careers.
2023-05-04 18:37
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how did you manage to read "every big game" from my post? i said, he needs to perform in quite a bit more semis&finals before being called a big game player. idk where u come from, but where i come from, if u drop 30 and lose, u still lost and no one gives a fuck about it cuz u didnt do enough for your team to win. sure there's gonna be loses, it's only normal, but he's _NOT_ performing in playoffs nowhere near consistently enough to be a "big game player". you get these mad hltv stats by statpadding on t2&t3 teams in groups and than not ending the tournament run in 1st round playoffs at best, at the first real hurdle. only big game that came from him that i can remember is finals vs liquid in proleague where he really went ballistic and showed he can be that guy. even this last finals he got outshined by magisk & dupreeh, vs navi in blast finals he bombed (horrible team effort overall tho).
2023-05-04 18:47
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#56 you didn’t read this?
2023-05-04 19:08
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#167
Faceit level 10  | 
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United States ThunderCloudNate
Yeah, can't be helped I suppose lol.
2023-05-04 22:06
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"hes good so he must 1v5 right ?" do u even understand how dumb u sound ?
2023-05-04 20:21
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2 replies
avg hltv user cant comprehend more than "mens))" ^^
2023-05-04 20:24
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1 reply
#204
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New Zealand aim1tap
Faceit level "-10" spotted
2023-05-05 04:05
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zywoo yiks
2023-05-04 18:07
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#55
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Twistzz? The guy goes ham every time in big matches, especially finals (Cologne, EPL S17).
2023-05-04 18:14
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4 replies
he has highlight rounds, but he doesn't really consistently "go ham"
2023-05-04 18:23
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1 reply
#64
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Perhaps. The eye test might be misleading here.
2023-05-04 18:24
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#91
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India Nijer
I love twistz but people overrate him since cologne way to much, he has flashy plays every now and then but he lacks consistency a lot when compared to niko/kscerato/axile
2023-05-04 18:42
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Twistzz is a good playmaker in finals. However, during big matches he doesnt tend to elevate himself to his superstar level. He is an amazing player, yes, but in big matches he doesnt tend to do extremely well. There's a quite good example of rain, you can explicitly see his improvement in the big matches, hes fragging more. Twistzz seems to fall off quite a bit more. Pretty much what I mean his flashy plays once in a while doesnt equate to being a consistent performer of 1.16 rating in the big match category
2023-05-05 02:38
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#59
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India 10_HAZ
damn good post, nice work HLTV
2023-05-04 18:21
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#62
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Brazil hugoooo
There is no rational way to defend drop's performance. He is the piece preventing FURIA to reach higher placements
2023-05-04 18:22
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2 replies
Saffee is a bigger issue. His performance drops massively against top 15 teams.
2023-05-04 18:24
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#101
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Brazil hugoooo
Drops performance don't fall a lot vs top 15 teams because he plays consistently very bad versus all tiers... There is no room for a fall, it's on bottom already
2023-05-04 19:00
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God rain
2023-05-04 18:24
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1 reply
+1 Gigachad Rain enjoyers
2023-05-11 11:50
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#67
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ZywOo | 
Zimbabwe Vizions
GOATWOO confirmed
2023-05-04 18:25
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4 replies
The real GOAT is above him as you can see
2023-05-04 18:45
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3 replies
#100
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
ZywOo | 
Zimbabwe Vizions
0.01 diff while s1mple plays in a better team with a WAY better winrate ZywOo is the goat
2023-05-04 18:59
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2 replies
Keep giving excuses
2023-05-04 19:01
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0.01 diff with 1.7x more maps played
2023-05-04 19:18
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GOATple again on top, nothing new 🐐🐐
2023-05-04 18:27
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monesy :D Group stage abuser :DD
2023-05-04 18:28
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Lot of reading boy
2023-05-04 18:30
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#78
Faceit plus user Faceit level 9  | 
Czech Republic maXX_CZ
stavn + sjush = heh
2023-05-04 18:32
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stopped reading at football
2023-05-04 18:33
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i knew that hobbit will be better than bottler ax1le
2023-05-04 18:33
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#89
Faceit level 10  | 
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Finland Hekee
Choko is real
2023-05-04 18:38
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#102
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Murdy | 
Sweden Murdy
Hunter forever the most underrated player.
2023-05-04 19:00
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2 replies
I honestly can't understand the problem He became a star earlier than NiKo, he kept his title, he almost single-handedly won katowice semi and final Yet he remains non-existent for mass media
2023-05-05 12:14
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1 reply
#243
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Murdy | 
Sweden Murdy
Yep
2023-05-05 20:32
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NiKo and m0nesy real group stage merchants XDD
2023-05-04 19:11
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#106
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Italy Karimk03
They told me zywoo is bad at big events wtf!! Must be a bug 100%
2023-05-04 19:12
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1 reply
Misspelled BYWOOOOOO
2023-05-05 12:11
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How can s1mple be so good? He is just in a league of his own, true cs goat (not only csgo)
2023-05-04 19:18
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10 replies
1-3 major finals record sounds impressive
2023-05-04 19:37
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5 replies
Lets see who he lost those finals With Liquid againts Prime SK/LG With NAVI againts Prime Astralis With NAVI againts Prime FAZE. is not like he lost to tier 2 teams my man, you can't win everything.
2023-05-04 20:15
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4 replies
Now look at his rating in those finals, surely if hes the GOAT he must perform even against the best teams when it matters the most
2023-05-04 20:17
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hltv.org/news/25880/top-20-players-of-20.. hltv.org/news/35380/top-20-players-of-20.. Yes he performed all year againts Prime Astralis and Prime FAZE.
2023-05-04 20:20
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I dont think u understood me correctly so here you go bro: hltv.org/stats/matches/37062/sk-vs-liqui.. 0.59 rating hltv.org/stats/matches/59942/natus-vince.. 0.81 rating hltv.org/stats/matches/89081/faze-vs-nat.. 0.89 rating i get it that the 1st major final vs sk isnt really his fault since the whole team wasnt build around him but vs astralis and faze he was supposed to be the superstar and whole team setup him and he ghosted.
2023-05-04 20:26
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he has his worst rating against astalis in 2018
2023-05-04 20:37
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so he has 2 top 15 playoff teammates and yet won 1 event in last 16 months kekw
2023-05-04 20:35
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2 replies
zywoo has 3 major winners in his team but can't even make major playoffs in last 2 majors kekw
2023-05-04 20:49
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1 reply
major winners from dinosour era
2023-05-04 20:50
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s1mple cs condition zero goat
2023-05-05 12:11
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Numbers do not say all imho Comparing an entry with an awper the latter will always have way better numbers so what ?
2023-05-04 19:22
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#111
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France iatis
Only consider full buy Vs full buy in the ratings, it will be a bit more relevant.
2023-05-04 19:22
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"ELiGE chokes big matches"
2023-05-04 19:25
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#202
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Canada AyyyJayyy
true
2023-05-05 03:13
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Whole 2021 navi rating is insane in this calculation
2023-05-04 19:30
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3 replies
That team was the most dominant from what I’ve seen in years. Even compare to Astralis era. They were the one and only on servers for about half-a-year before the war started and f*cked everything up. Truly a time to remember.
2023-05-04 20:17
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I dont disagree but it just puts players into perspective and dominant performances.
2023-05-05 00:53
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Astralis were much better both in terms of peak and longevity. You can easily make an argument that online era made them irrelevant and eventually caused them to disband. Just check the HLTV blog comparing IGS wins, NaVi were the least impressive. Look at their wins IEM Katowice 2020 (no crowd) DreamHack Masters Spring 2021 (online) IEM Cologne 2021 (no crowd) ESL Pro League Season 14 (online) The only two arena events they played during that run was the Stockholm Major and Blast Fall Finals. They were really great in those, no doubt about it. But this run should be compared with Liquid's 2019 summer run rather than Astralis 2018 or Fnatic 2015
2023-05-05 05:10
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This is a great article, especially for those who like to say that ZywOo hides himself from the big games. I respect everyone's opinion but saying that is a lie, that's facts! The guy hard carried Vitality throughout the whole 2019 just for people to say he's to blame for Vitality's losses.
2023-05-04 19:33
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1 reply
And those people act like their GOAT gets better in these big games, but in reality, he is slightly worse
2023-05-05 05:12
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#116
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China RADNIKEY
Great article for NiKo haters to use lol
2023-05-04 19:36
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#117
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South Africa Criticle
JAME LITERAL GOAT
2023-05-04 19:36
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1 reply
#250
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Serbia Atom1c_o7
+1
2023-05-08 23:05
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Wheres Syrson the biggest onliner ever?
2023-05-04 19:38
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#124
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Most comments regarding choking from lads who would fall to pieces playing in front of their mum
2023-05-04 19:59
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1 reply
Haha
2023-05-11 00:18
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Heroic onliners confirmed
2023-05-04 20:12
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1 reply
#234
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Italy Karimk03
>heroic onliners >won 1 lan tournament and made multiple lan finals.
2023-05-05 12:57
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Aleksib > Apex, Karrigan confirmed
2023-05-04 20:12
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Big from hunter and rain. Flit and konfig have even bigger ratings in those arena games, only behind 4 awpers. Too bad their teams have been so messy.
2023-05-04 20:14
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NiKo didn't peform that good in arena games last year but he has also shown that he can perform good against the best even in the biggest stages. 2022 was also the worst year for him individually. I hope he performs better going forward. Good luck NiKo!
2023-05-04 20:17
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2 replies
#164
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Biske
I would say 2019 was worse for him but thats debatable
2023-05-04 21:32
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1 reply
I wasn't really watching cs in 2019 so it's hard for me to give my own opinion but I am pretty sure NiKo himself said that 2022 was his worst year. In 2019 he was also igling for sometime but people say that he performed the best in 2019 when he was igling. Like you said it's pretty debatable.
2023-05-05 10:15
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Rain Gigachad
2023-05-04 20:19
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jksex stage king
2023-05-04 20:30
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TL;DR Lights are too bright for C9 Rain and JKS are goats
2023-05-04 20:36
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This Just shows Heroic arent ready for the big stages
2023-05-04 20:37
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#153
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India skyl4rk
Ner0 already goated
2023-05-04 20:46
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#154
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India skyl4rk
How can I change my flair to Ner0cs?
2023-05-04 20:47
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CHOKO
2023-05-04 21:09
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#159
Faceit level 10  | 
Brollan | 
Sweden EntonXD
Choko confirmed then
2023-05-04 21:12
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s1mple goat
2023-05-04 21:20
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zywoo>s1mple
2023-05-04 21:25
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#163
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Brazil darkfroid
interesting as always
2023-05-04 21:31
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#166
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Canada AyyyJayyy
Love articles like this, thanks HLTV
2023-05-04 21:55
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#169
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Turkey Nerd_With_No_Life
where is XANTARES?
2023-05-04 22:18
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4 replies
Prob not enough stage matches in this time window?
2023-05-04 23:03
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3 replies
#178
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Turkey Nerd_With_No_Life
XANTARES is clearly better player than naf, twistzz etc. so he should be in that list
2023-05-04 23:45
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2 replies
LOL bottares and eternal bots can’t even qualify for lan tournaments, let alone make it into the big games, you silly knucklehead. He’s barely even 1.2 ratings or positive KD against t2 Russian mixes online nowadays, the washed up bot that he is.
2023-05-05 03:18
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#224
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Turkey Nerd_With_No_Life
you cant call washed up bot xantares. he is most talented player in the world you have to respect that kid!
2023-05-05 10:32
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Interesting
2023-05-04 22:52
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#174
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
jackasmo | 
Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
Thorin confirmed
2023-05-04 23:04
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Literally considered the 2021 major just to give S1mple the top spot instead of GOATwoo
2023-05-04 23:26
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Nice.
2023-05-04 23:37
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Jks 1.18, Jackz 0.87 that says a lot
2023-05-05 00:10
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1 reply
ABOUT JACKZ BEING A BETTER PLAYER CMON BRO HIS GOOD VIBES ARE THE X-FACTOR
2023-05-05 12:09
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nah it’s just retarded not to consider esl PL in the stats when you talk about ‘big games’. it was a stacked tourney, equivalent or better than the major in quality of teams.
2023-05-05 00:17
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1 reply
It only includes matches in an arena. Even if EPL was “counted” as an event none of its matches would count since it’s not an arena event
2023-05-05 00:56
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another trash article from hltv
2023-05-05 00:44
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CYPHER will be top of that list soon
2023-05-05 00:58
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1 reply
CYPHER Prayge
2023-05-05 12:08
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#194
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Brazil Raphzzz
Jackz goat
2023-05-05 02:21
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Yet Richard Lewis still somehow thinks JKS is overrated lmfao
2023-05-05 02:44
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2 replies
Well tbh feels like he’s let the heat off jks a bit. He’s gone full anti Hooxi at this point
2023-05-05 09:13
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1 reply
He also did an interview with G2 mental coach who is a good friend of jks and of course he mentioned Justin in the interview Magically RL hadn't said a word against jks and smiled all the time
2023-05-05 12:07
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Jks my goat
2023-05-05 08:26
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That graph really exposed ChoKo
2023-05-05 09:39
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#222
Faceit level 6  | 
donk | 
United States larrypotato
"zywoo playoffs choker" kids in shambles
2023-05-05 10:31
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jksex as always Also NiKo biggest choker of course
2023-05-05 12:05
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some of those stats are pretty meaningless with such small map samples
2023-05-05 13:19
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I only see one name and its lord BOOMBLA
2023-05-05 14:34
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#239
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Sweden multib
Last person you wanna meet in a grand final = rain He is such a different beast when it's grand final time, God damn he is good
2023-05-05 17:00
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#240
Faceit level 6  | 
NiKo | 
Canada swagcrazy
Niko insane group stage warrior lately hopefully he goes stockholm mode soon, god tier in major playoffs
2023-05-05 17:42
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SH1RO WORLD #1 SiMPLE'S TEAM WORLD #1
2023-05-05 17:49
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#242
Faceit level 10  | 
m0NESY | 
Norway fragger3333
axile fruadster
2023-05-05 18:06
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For me it was clear since the begginig, NiKo is cold chest
2023-05-05 20:44
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#247
Faceit level 10  | 
Andorra GR8B8M8IR888
who wrote the first line in thos articel? I felt like a fucking gym motivation. Makes me feel like a coud 1v5 2018 faze lol good job
2023-05-06 11:08
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NiKo m0nesy are carried by justin savage.
2023-05-08 20:15
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Ner0 with another banger
2023-05-08 21:27
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Why do they use soccer metaphor? This is hltv!
2023-05-09 23:32
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#255
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
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Norway SteeNos
JackZ better than hooxi, transfer confirmed
2023-05-10 17:04
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this article is a literal joke btw with only a handful of teams present
2023-05-13 04:03
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So basically electronic is a big game player but u guys dropped him from top20 2022 in favour of some group stage stat merchants? Literally how dare u do him this dirty
2023-05-14 00:59
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good research
2023-05-14 11:43
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