MOUZ set up Astralis semi-final clash at CAC

11-11-2023 07:33

A straightforward victory against Lynn Vision put MOUZ through to the final day in Shanghai.

MOUZ are set to face off against Astralis in the semi-finals of CS Asia Championships 2023 following their quarter-final victory against Lynn Vision on Saturday.

Date	Matches
CS Asia Championships 2023
12/11/2023	Astralis 05:15 MOUZ	Match

Coming into the first playoffs match as massive favorites as the world's No. 2 team facing off against the 29th, MOUZ beat the Chinese side 2-0 in convincing fashion.

Jimi "⁠Jimpphat⁠" Salo starred in the series as the top fragger (41-17 K-D) and highest-rated player (1.68).

The Finn's crucial quad-kill in the second pistol round of Overpass locked down a swift 13-3 victory for MOUZ on the opener, and his four triples on Inferno ensured their win in two maps.

Lynn Vision had their chances to make the second map more hotly-contested, but their inexperience showed in key moments as they let go of early momentum in a 4v1 loss to Ádám "⁠torzsi⁠" Torzsás and in a 4v3 situation in round 18.

The Chinese team's road at the $500,000 tournament ends in 5th-6th place as they outplace rivals TYLOO and Wings Up at their home event.

CS Asia Championships 2023Best of 3

Lynn Vision

Matchpage

11th November 2023

MOUZ

Overpass

Inferno

Lynn Vision	K - D	Swing	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Lizhi 'Starry' Ye Starry	22 - 27	-1.84%	70.6	69.4%	0.89
Zhe 'Westmelon' Niu Westmelon	20 - 27	-2.79%	60.0	69.4%	0.85
Sike 'z4kr' Zhang z4kr	19 - 30	+1.11%	67.8	63.9%	0.76
Dongkai 'Jee' Ji Jee	19 - 30	-5.00%	52.1	61.1%	0.67
Junjie 'EmiliaQAQ' Tang EmiliaQAQ	16 - 31	-7.64%	47.7	55.6%	0.60

MOUZ	K - D	Swing	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Jimi 'Jimpphat' Salo Jimpphat	41 - 17	+5.52%	104.6	83.3%	1.68
Ádám 'torzsi' Torzsás torzsi	31 - 19	+3.43%	88.7	83.3%	1.45
David 'frozen' Čerňanský frozen	28 - 15	+2.03%	74.1	83.3%	1.38
Dorian 'xertioN' Berman xertioN	26 - 24	+4.77%	76.9	77.8%	1.22
Kamil 'siuhy' Szkaradek siuhy	19 - 21	+0.39%	63.6	75.0%	1.06

and the show ?

2023-11-11 07:33

Its literally farming stats against the asian teams, lets hope the mvp race does not get skewed by this

2023-11-11 07:44

37 replies

Bro why are you counting online mvp's? We all ignore the online period but apparently these online tournaments are suuuper legit. If you count these mvps, then BIG truly was the number 1 team, and heroic and gambit had actual eras.

2023-11-11 07:51

34 replies

This is a LAN event.

2023-11-11 08:44

14 replies

I didn't mean this Lan, this tournament should actually count more than the last two. My point is saying this tournaments mvp is meaningless yet claiming the two prior cs2 mvps weren't is laughable. If we count those online mvps, then gambit had an era, an extremely dominant one at that. If you disagree provide a counter, my statement is purely that if we count those online mvps then we must count the online period as well.

2023-11-11 11:17

13 replies

stop baiting bro. how tf is this shitty tournament more important than Sydney? after FaZe wins it u will say this was a shitty tournament as well

2023-11-11 12:15

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Why would faze winning matter? I'm not going purely off bias like you people. Secondly even if I was, karrigan is my favorite player, I certainly wouldn't discredit a tournament just because faze won. If you have a counter argument go ahead and provide one, but you strawman arguing is an admission of defeat until you actually counter my logic. Why should we count these last 2 online tournaments. But not the entire online period? What exactly is the difference? I'm not personally saying we shouldn't count these online tournaments , all I'm saying, is that if we do, we should also count the online period. Tell me why we shouldn't, and what the difference is. I bet you can't. Because there is NO reason we should count one but not the either. We count both or we count neither, simple Just because there's multiple of you with the same dumbshit opinion not realizing how hypocritical it is to discredit an entire year of dominance, yet crediting two tournament wins , despite the fact they were both online, doesn't make you guys not hypocrites.

2023-11-11 12:39

11 replies

not reading that since u dont even know Sydney was a LAN

2023-11-11 14:15

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I said last two tournaments, the last two tournaments haven't been Sydney, your low iq is showing. I'm talking the roobet and thunder cups Anything besides you actually bringing a counter argument is an admission of defeat.

2023-11-11 14:17

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roobet didn't have a MVP tho??

2023-11-11 14:38

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Okay to specify again I meant in general. To be fair I worded that not specifically. So that's my fault. Anyway I just feel it's silly to claim this mvp is somehow quite a bit less valuable than some online one, atleast unless you value online matches, in which case you should value the second most dominant era , second only to astralis.... but which was online

2023-11-11 17:05

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ofc any LAN MVP >>> any online MVP, I'm not arguing that I was saying that obviously Sydney MVP is more valuable than this joke of a tournament with 3 chinese teams, ENCE with a stand-in & NIP in shambles "My point is saying this tournaments mvp is meaningless yet claiming the two prior cs2 mvps weren't is laughable." The 2 prior cs2 MVPs are Sydney (LAN) & Thunderpick

2023-11-11 17:26

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Damn I just had a whole message deleted when I accidentally refreshed the page. Tldr , seems we're fully on the same page now that we've ironed out the miscommunication. I had seen people saying "omg he's the mvp let's goo" and assumed there was an actual official mvp of that tournament despite there not being one, regardless I still am making the same point. But yeah that's where the2 tournaments line came from, my bad on that Frankly, me personally , I don't hold much stock in either this or the online mvp . They're certainly worthy of mention. But they're definitely a fraction, large or small, but still a fraction, of a Big Lan tournament mvp. In the same way I do think gambits "era" Is worthy of serious praise. Because to be that dominant, no matter the format, no matter the setting, is impressive as all hell. But it's just simply not the same at all. And it would've had to have lasted atleast twice as long (if things stayed online and didn't go back to lan) for me to consider it a true undeniable era on a similar level to the Lan eras we've had. Anyway online matters, but not much in a "race for the mvps" , neither would this tournament even if it's Lan. Because there's what 4 good teams? + 1 mediocre one? And one of them was a coin flip on if they'd be good and another is using a stand-in lol. Just imagine tallying a point for this mvp, and then also tallying a point for a cologne mvp and then another singular point for a katowice lol. Something here does not belong with the others haha Anyways rambling over

2023-11-11 17:48

Zywoo, S1mple, Device and Gambit (debatable though) MVPs count, BIG and NA online MVPs don't count

2023-11-11 15:22

Na was secluded. So na regional tournaments makes sense. However in which universe do bigs wins not apply but gambits do? Like genuinely. If anything their players had more Lan history. Especially tabsen. They had a proven igl and coach. Yeah in hindsight syrson was an onliner, but so was gambits entire playstyle and structure as a team , that ONLY worked online.

2023-11-11 17:07

Gambit made finals of Blast Premier 2021, their 2nd LAN together, then 4 months later they won a LAN event with a crowd. Hobbit major winner Xantares, k1to, syrson onliners tabsen LAN player tiziaN super washed paycheck stealer so irrelevant

2023-11-11 22:32

Agreed with your take, but they did it with a playstyle that so far has only seen success online. So I'd say that's worth noting. I also believe tizian was quite good especially considering his roles and just how supportive he was in this German structure, truly all the bitch roles. He did fall off massively but that was after this period, itsnnot like he started falling off, and then the online period began and he was popping off. I mean yeah he got better, but he wasn't getting worse before this. Also gob b , gob b. And gob b. LANimal coach. So while I do think bigs 2 stars got the online buff, gambits entire playstyle got the online buff. So I think it's a bit unfair to say that, sure they had worse players but they had strats that worked on Lan and online. So personally I think bigs wins were as valuable as gambits in that sense. Not in totality, but like 1 huge online tourny win won by gambit i'd say is nearly equivalent to 1 huge online tournament from big in that era However at this point it's all opinion and I'm just talking because it's fun to converse about :)

2023-11-12 00:02

2023-11-11 18:44

what

2023-11-11 09:06

10 replies

Provide a counter argument

2023-11-11 11:18

9 replies

Because it would be stupid if ropz didn't win b2b MVPs because baitF farmed Chinese.

2023-11-11 15:20

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I think this tournament and the thunder one shouldn't be truly counted. I mean if ropz wins both thats like 2/3rds an mvp lol which is genuinely very impressive, especially because he's doing it consistently over a long time period , not just 1 tournament. You know what, for that reason , I could see the 2 equaling 1 true mvp. I mean it's all opinion at this point. But I think it's silly to count an online mvp but not a Lan one. No one mentioned tier 2 dreamhack mvps that were LAN with some tier 1 teams there back in the day, so its weird we'd mention these online tourneys in a "race for mvps" discussion in my eyes. But if you do want to count them, then yeah gambit had an era. As they won much more fierce tournaments consistently with absolutely dominance for aa year. So counting an online tournament but not an entire year of dominance is by virtue hypocrisy

2023-11-12 00:11

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Entire year of dominance? What team are you talking about? 2020 had 17 EU events that counted for anything, BIG only won 4 tournaments (5 if you count Dreamhack Open Leipzig but not even HLTV counts it under trophies category because none of the teams were top 15), same amount as Astralis. Those 3/4 tournaments came in 3 month period except last one that was right after player break. But last 4 months they didn't really do anything. First 3.5 months they were tier 2.

2023-11-12 00:56

Alright bro fair enough , thanks for the correction, I appreciate you keeping the facts straight. My memory of the online period is foggy for obvious reasons , all the tournaments felt the same , oversaturation of tournaments with a new one every week, and so on and so forth I know youre not claiming so, but id like to quickly add I don't feel this information changes my point nor my points legitimacy. Also don't you mean 2021? That's when gambit was on their run correct? Im.practically certain no teaam.coould touch them for over half a year and then finally only navi could and then navi went on their own run Did you.mix up the years? Or did I mix up the facts?

2023-11-12 01:51

Oh you were talking about 2021, my bad. They did have most t1 tournaments won in online part of 2021 before Cologne with 3 of them but Navi won 2, they didn't participate in Blast Global Final at start of the year and they lost to Navi at Dreamhack. Then there's also Heroic's iconic cadiaN clutch to win Pro League over Gambit. At the time people didn't like that period and the fact that it was online but the gameplay itself was still on a high level. Navi-Gambit hegemony helps with the perception because if there's one thing HLTV users hate more than dominance is when there are bunch of contenders and every tournament being a different winner. 2020 saw Fnatic Navi BIG Heroic Astralis Vitality Faze Complexity VP lift trophies while 2021 only had 4 trophied teams, 2 of them (Heroic and Vitality) only winning a single trophy

2023-11-12 02:46

Ahhh yes that's how it goes of course, that sounds shorter than I remember it feeling , is that just the human mind at play? Or did they perhaps also have very high success at the end of 2020? If so I'd combine that period into the 2021 period and call it one "era" Exactly my point! The competition was extremely fearce despite being online. So we can't even use the excuse of all the teams besides gambit being dead or some shit Yeah it's very interesting how the scene has developed , it used to be alot more open and closed at the same time as far as title contending teams

2023-11-12 03:23

dang what are all these angry paragraphs, you good?

2023-11-12 03:56

Bro the comments you just replied to are with Me and this guy having a super friendly conversation. I havent been rude or angry once , frankly no one has even done so to me either , everytjint has been extremely cordual at worst and actually friendly conversations twice. The only disagreements that occurred were resolved positively, and all but one were based off of miscommunication, and we learned we agreed in the first place. Tldr , read before commenting next time, you're making a bit of an ass out of yourself. No one was rude. No one was angry.

2023-11-12 05:08

Just talked to another commenter, I realize what you're worried about, and it's valid, but if it happens that's the fault of the mvp rating system, they should definitely factor in the competition you faced with your stats and rating throughout the tournament when making mvp decisions. This isn't really relevant to my point that you must count all online games or none. Gambit faced top tier teams just like faze sort of did in the thunder tournament. It's not like one online match was vs a big team and the other wasn't. Gambit was facing nothing but top teams.

2023-11-12 00:34

Take meds

2023-11-11 10:00

Hush

2023-11-11 10:06

Nah

2023-11-11 13:16

#19

2023-11-11 13:41

I don't think you understand what I mean. I'm not counting MVP's over multiple events, I mean the mvp race for this particular event being skewed. FaZe did not face a single asian team where they could farm stats, but they are looking like the one to beat here. I would very much dislike a MVP being robbed of Ropz for example by Torszi who has farmed stats against both Lynn Vision and Wings Up. All he has to do is reach the final and he is in immediate contention for MVP of the tournament when in reality he boosted the fuck out of his stats. tldr: i think we are more or less on the same page judging by your other comments, only misunderstood my original point :)

2023-11-11 20:56

Oh they have got to factor that in , and if they don't it's a shame. Your ratings should be viewed relative to the competition. Maybe not fully but atleast to some extent that's seemingly undebatable, unless we're missing something. Albeit possible I doubt it. So 100% agreed

2023-11-12 00:26

Torszsi only performs against T2. Prove me wrong.

2023-11-11 10:28

he is decent, has a great game against t1 every now and then but he farms real hard against t2.

2023-11-11 20:58

5 in the morning here for this game, so sad it was not 8 instead. I guess I will get up at 6, and see if the game is still on.

2023-11-11 08:27

All the games are typically 11pm-6am for us in Australia. I'm sure you'll manage 😉

2023-11-11 10:29

Jimfat to School BoiF?

2023-11-11 08:48

EZ4Ast

2023-11-11 10:30

expected

2023-11-11 12:13

Why is the title not mouz win vs lynn vision? Am i crazy or astralis are always mentioned like they have to do it? For example for ence they just title ence win, they didnt say : ence set up against faze semi final. Not only ence but for anybody else. Astralis are not relevant to be in the title about a match where they didnt even play. Its disrespectful for lynn vision in my opinion. I dunno maybe im just overthinking.

2023-11-11 12:48