PGL CS2 Major Copenhagen 2024 Americas RMR

Americas RMR will not use latest update following team feedback *

29-2-2024 19:24

The move comes after members of the community criticised the timing of the potentially meta-altering update.

The update has come in the midst of the RMR cycle

Update 19:35 : HLTV has learned that the participating teams at the Americas RMR asked to play the tournament on the previous version of the game. Russel "⁠Twistzz⁠" Van Dulken has said in a Tweet that Liquid voted in favor of the new patch, but they were the only team to do so, according to the organizers.

Original story:

PGL have announced that the Americas RMR will not be played on the latest update to CS2, which most notably introduced changes to spawn locations across a number of maps less than 48 hours ahead of the start of the event taking place in Monterrey, Mexico.

Spawn changes headline new CS2 update

The changes to spawns on maps like Overpass and Mirage were particularly meta-altering, as they removed the CTs' closest spawn to Middle on Overpass and removed multiple Terrorist spawns that allowed for instant Window smokes on Mirage.

There was criticism of the timing of the update ahead of the start of the Americas RMR from some participants at the event. BOSS coach Tommy "⁠Axed⁠" Ryan pointed out the effect this would have on "timings and spawn point utility that has normalized."

bruh but expected

2024-02-29 19:24

Why?

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because of the spawn changes

2024-02-29 19:25

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I mean yea I understand that but the Major will be played on the newest patch, no?

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idk, no one commented about that yet

2024-02-29 19:26

the major teams have a full month to re-practice smoke lineups from new spawns. Americas RMR would have like 2 days.

2024-02-29 19:27

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Fair enough For some reason I thought the major was closer haha

2024-02-29 19:28

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well nearly 3 weeks anyways, not a full month

2024-02-29 20:49

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2 weeks and 4 days

2024-03-01 04:59

Well the lineups are still the same. You just have to move to the position… Smokes from exactly where you spawn is ridiculous when you actually think about it.

2024-03-01 08:53

Did you really actually think about it?

2024-03-01 09:44

Yes I’ve been in isolation, sound deprivation chamber contemplating the update since its release. I’ve been enlightened

2024-03-01 09:55

Knowing Valve, Yes it will be

2024-02-29 19:57

As it should

2024-03-01 08:48

You're god damn right

2024-03-01 12:28

Hopefully

2024-02-29 20:25

Yes of course. This is just americas RMR

2024-03-01 05:30

ofc it will but timing here was the main issue

2024-03-01 11:14

Cadian still owns

wtf

Good

Lol but Katowice will use donk nerf nice

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Major RMR > Katowice.

the teams voted on it in Katowice

Teams also had their vote in Katowice...

2024-02-29 20:16

american not understanding democracy lul

2024-02-29 20:24

Yeah no shit they live in a corporatocracy.

2024-02-29 23:34

2024-03-01 00:43

RMR > Katowice any day the main reasoning for teams voting in favour of the update for katowice was that the RMR was right after, so they wouldn't have time to practice for the RMR, which is more important.

2024-03-01 10:21

valve shouldve waited lol

agreed. Theres only 1 RMR left. they should've waited until after all RMRs

2024-02-29 19:29

I mean if you think about it the whole major cycle should be ideally played on one single version so teams are consistent and all teams have fair shot at playing their game. Minor fixes of bugs etc are fine, but major meta changes like spawn should definitely come after major ends in mid season.

they're clueless, might even launch updates during major

2024-02-29 19:41

“Connecting to Counter-Strike Network”

2024-02-29 20:04

if only there was some mechanism to select on which patch to play so it doesn't affect anything... hmm

2024-02-29 20:32

yeah but theyre playing valves tournament, in which valve is really really strict, and they themselves now cause a major difference between one qualifier and the rest

2024-02-29 21:59

valve launched a meta-altering patch a few HOURS before one of their Dota 2 majors last years - they absolutely love to cause chaos like this.

2024-03-01 00:57

Why did they even change the spawns?

2024-02-29 19:31

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To make it easier

2024-02-29 19:33

So is it just because they feel like its stupid to have many spawn positions? What a weird time to do something like that

2024-02-29 20:41

who cars, but WHY THEY ARE NOT CONSISTENT ON ALL MAPS? why some contains 5 and other has 10 spawns? why not only 5 spawns on all maps??? the stupidity of their inconsistency is unimaginable and also they call themselves programmers, loel

2024-02-29 19:35

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Maybe because a competitive shooter is not about consistency of number of spawns but about balance? And those changes made the most sense from Valve perspective. I mean, you are an expert I am sure, but I will trust Valve in making decisions regarding this over you

2024-02-29 19:40

classic russian bad take

2024-02-29 19:42

Good argument, didn’t expect more after your comment)

2024-02-29 19:46

Got to admit thats weird, 5 per map per side would make more sense

only 5 takes away the unpredictability of the round. if you can have only 5 spawns then the timings are always fixed for all positions. should be something like 7-8 spawns to make the timings more interesting

2024-03-01 15:33

NA scene luls.

2024-02-29 19:34

COMMON L MOVE BY VALVE

NA Scene want EZ mode. expected

2024-02-29 19:36

That's just fair, this is way too big of a change

2024-02-29 20:02

Great

2024-02-29 20:06

pros can go and miss their window smokes like any player does, Good change.

2024-02-29 20:18

Fair, too little time for such a big change

2024-02-29 20:33

It has always been mind boggling how CS updates are not scheduled in line with important tournaments, e.g. the most important from Valve themselves - the Major. With all the years, the updates and transitioning from CSGO to CS2, I can't but think about a little chaotic office with about 5 stoned programmers who misinterprete their managers e-mail, who they have never seen and who doesn't give a shit other than looking at his wealth.

2024-02-29 21:23

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saying this shows you dont know how valve works. the people working on cs2 are doing it as a passion project. we know this because they COULD be doing steamdeck shit or steam vr or working on the steam platform or idk literally anything else that they want to at valve. but they choose to work on cs, despite the constantly crying of petulant overgrown children who you can't possibly win with

2024-02-29 21:47

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there is more pation between my balls and my hairy asshole than what the devs are doing to cs2

2024-03-01 01:12

u really got me there. good points.

2024-03-01 01:53

How do you know that? They surely don't work on CS because of a total revenue of 6+ billions! Passion baby!

2024-03-01 10:14

Good timing Valvo

2024-02-29 21:38

Good timing Valve.

2024-02-29 22:23

If you're that much of a noob you can't spend 2 seconds lining up a smoke then maybe you shouldn't be playing

na scene cant nothing yet demands a lot

2024-03-01 00:28

meh, would be exciting

2024-03-01 01:10

but when it comes to donk update it now!

2024-03-01 02:45

Teams were asked but esl decide it alone

2024-03-01 06:07

NA cry babies

2024-03-01 02:58

Makes sense bc TL has a team of people that can help them theory craft whereas the lower budget and unsigned teams are doing it on their own.

2024-03-01 08:28

Cs2 shit

This honestly goes to show just how out of touch Valve is with the competitive scene. "Let's drop a meta changing update two days out from a Major Qualifier." An inflated Skin-Economy-Simulator with an FPS feature is all Valve see's when it comes to Counter Strike.

2024-03-01 13:26