Open qualifiers removed in raft of Major rulebook changes

31-5-2024 11:36

Perfect World revealed the schedule for Major qualifiers and the RMRs alongside Valve's update to the Major Rulebook.

Two significant announcements have been made ahead of Perfect World Shanghai Major 2024, which is set to run November 30-December 15.

Firstly, Valve has revealed a raft of changes to the Major Rulebook, which include the complete removal of Major open qualifiers in some regions. Secondly, Perfect World announced the full Major schedule including the dates for all qualifiers and RMRs, whilst also stating that all RMRs will be held in Shanghai, China.

Perfect World director: "When we ran TI, Chinese DOTA 2 fans and players increased a lot. I think the same will happen with Counter-Strike"

Of the changes to Valve's Major Rulebook, there are three that are particularly significant.

1 - There will be no more RMR invites going to attendees of the previous Major's Elimination Stage. All RMR invites will be decided via Valve's Regional Standings or closed qualifiers.

2 - Closed qualifier teams will be decided by Regional Standings, except "if it is not practical to fill all closed qualifier positions via Regional Standings." In practice, this means no open qualifiers in Europe, North America or South America.

3 - The regional slot distribution was changed. The Americas lost their Elimination Stage slot, with all eight now resting with Europe. The Opening Stage slot distribution changed from Europe: 10, Americas: 4, Asia: 2, to Europe: 6, Americas: 7, Asia: 3.

Alongside Valve's rulebook changes came a Perfect World announcement revealing the dates for all Major qualifiers and RMRs. It confirmed the lack of open qualifiers in Europe or the Americas, whilst confirming they would remain for other regions. All RMRs will be held in Shanghai, China, breaking from the recent trend where RMRs would be held in their respective regions.

It is worth noting that, as things stand, Europe RMR A and the Asia and Americas RMR would at least partially overlap with BLAST Premier World Final, which is scheduled to run November 13-17.

The schedule for qualifiers and RMRs is as follows:

Europe

EU 1 Closed Qualifier - August 21-24

EU 2 Closed Qualifier - August 21-24

EU RMR A - November 17-20

EU RMR B - November 21-24

Americas

NA Closed Qualifier - August 26-28

SA Closed Qualifier - August 26-28

Americas RMR - November 12-15

Asia

Rest of Middle East Open Qualifier - August 21-22

South African Open Qualifier - August 21-22

GCC Open Qualifier - August 21-22

Oceania Open Qualifier - August 23-24

China Open Qualifier - August 23-24

Rest of Asia Open Qualifier - August 25-26

East Asia Open Qualifier - August 25-26

Middle East Closed Qualifier - August 25-27

China Closed Qualifier - August 27-29

Oceania Closed Qualifier - August 27-29

East Asia Closed Qualifier - August 28-30

Rest of Asia Closed Qualifier - August 28-30

Asia RMR - November 11-14

rip

2024-05-31 11:37

35 replies

Majors just lost their prestigiousness

2024-05-31 12:25

23 replies

Good decision, no more mix teams that with some luck (or hacks) get thru opens and decide to fix matches in closed qf or RMR.

2024-05-31 12:51

21 replies

Luck is always involved in Counter Strike, And everyone loves underdog runs.

2024-05-31 13:15

19 replies

Not in cs weirdly. In cs this types of rums are always hated for no reason. Weird community

2024-05-31 13:48

16 replies

WTF rip my peruvian five stack

2024-05-31 14:02

1 reply

Peru win major in 2027 mark my words

2024-06-01 10:14

so true every time a mix team qualifies to something everyone is just toxic and accusing them of radar

2024-05-31 14:17

3 replies

If u think akuma didnt use radar you are delusional

2024-05-31 15:44

2 replies

akuma radar? no they were obviously cheating with more than a radar

2024-05-31 15:57

we arent talking about Akuma here lol

2024-05-31 20:53

Unfortunate true.

2024-05-31 15:33

CS fans throw a tantrum if it isn't always the same 8 teams in playoffs

2024-05-31 17:43

2 replies

frfr cant wait for the 9z hate after Dallas

2024-05-31 20:53

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Ngl I was kinda upset too to see them make playoffs while Complexity and Liquid didn't, but now I'm kinda excited to see what they can do on an actual stage

2024-06-01 01:54

Idk thats just HLTV and their conspiracy that anyone relatively unknown has to lose to the players we've come to know as the best.

2024-05-31 17:53

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There's definitely no conspiracy. This is counter strike and as we've seen in the past teams can bomb out of Major Cycles early. Any conspiracy is simply conjecture

2024-06-06 05:14

Just malding bettors crying they cant get easy bets

2024-05-31 18:25

flukes are cool if they are desereved. If its some Paris Major shittshow then I dont think its that interesting. Moreso the team will very likely break up not even 2 months after. Like Ence and Avangar major finals marked the start of another very high quality top 10+ team for at least the next year. Whereas GL, ITB, Apeks, QBF, etc all fluked a big performance with weak groupstages (or bad format for QBF) and have all broken up.

2024-05-31 18:37

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Most of those teams broke up because the players were poached to better teams or sidegrades.

2024-05-31 21:15

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yes I am aware, and that is my point. These mid tier orgs somehow cobble together a great lineup, but all too quickly it gets sold and broken apart. The Major probably increased the buyout $, but guys like iM and suihy stocks were very high even before the event. Very few of the non-partner/Saudi beggars (Ex. EWC handout program) can consistently keep up great lineups. Only like ence, and a few CIS orgs (do note CIS is by far the most stacked scene talent wise so it makes sense + all speak RUS and not second language english) have been able to breakthrough and keep it up. tho ence did eventually get in the Louvre I think. Also, considering Valve have taken out partner leagues and there are going to be many starladder and PGL events. I think those mean far more to the below top 40 squads looking for recognition than trying to fluke a crazy Major run (like ECSTATIC this year, not a bad team but like look at their results they arent some top 16 level squad).

2024-05-31 21:24

Theres a reason we have never seen weird mixes with unknowns in rmrs

2024-05-31 14:57

there's plenty of other opportunities for people to make their self's known. you shouldn't get to play t2 teams without getting vetted by t3 and t4 teams first. we don't need to give our orgs another reason to leave.

2024-05-31 17:47

Mix teams like Heroic and Liquid? New cores with no points have no way to get in now

2024-05-31 18:43

cs never had prestigiousness, it is flooded with cheaters, so i am not sure what is your clue...

2024-06-05 09:07

yeah whatever happemed to "an even playing field" and why does europe get all the legends spots and so few normal ones tf is this bs

2024-05-31 13:18

9 replies

EU gets all legends because all teams that made playoffs last major were European

2024-05-31 13:25

8 replies

It's still bullshit, it reduces the chances of any non EU teams making it to playoffs even more because they have to eliminate each other on their path to the legends stage while most of the EU teams get to chill without having to worry about that at all.

2024-05-31 13:54

5 replies

Maybe they should get to playoffs so the become „legends“. Sounds like it’s a competitive game that rewards a region if their teams are competitive.

2024-05-31 14:05

2 replies

That could be the case if in the first CS2 major ever the spots were all the same. They weren't. It's nearly impossible to flip that around by now.

2024-05-31 15:35

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All the same? So an Asian team could just form and get a free major spot while top EU teams are left out, and that is fair? It is already easier to qualify from any other region than EU even with the current distribution, and if the team are so much better they will perform and the slot distribution will change major by major..

2024-05-31 19:22

So the spot distribution should not be based on performance but rather some form of being nice to certain regions? That sounds retarded.

2024-05-31 19:19

It makes the event more competetive. If all spots were distributed evenly across regions, half of the opening matches would be boring 13-5 stomps. It makes more sense to distribute spots based on skill so that from the beginning, matches are competetive.

2024-05-31 20:47

valve literally forcing all teams to move to europe if they want to have a chance to play the majors

2024-05-31 18:14

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Nah, the NA qualifier is much easier to survive than EU. That’s why liquid went back to wielding an NA core. If you don’t make it there you won’t make it in Europe either.

2024-06-01 10:50

Yep

2024-05-31 13:55

expected

2024-05-31 11:37

Finally

2024-05-31 11:37

very good

2024-05-31 11:37

2 replies

Astralis will win this. so yes very good

2024-05-31 13:48

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nt, but no

2024-05-31 17:07

XDDDD

2024-05-31 11:37

Bruh

2024-05-31 11:37

What?

2024-05-31 11:38

Lame

2024-05-31 11:38

Cheaters ruined Open Qualifiers and now everyone is punished.

2024-05-31 11:38

34 replies

*Valve can't make a good Anticheat to save their product from looking like shit and decide to outsource vetting players to the pro scene instead

2024-05-31 11:43

29 replies

+1 what a shitshow

2024-05-31 11:42

+1 how are you supposed to be discovered as a player now, you basically need to be in an org to play

2024-05-31 11:50

6 replies

About to become even more of a scene where you have to make connections to get to play, how well you play the game is soon to be irrelevant

2024-05-31 11:51

I mean there’s fpl no?

2024-05-31 14:20

but there will be no partner teams anymore (with the exception for major) that means everyone can qualify for any other event = build their ranking and qualify for major that way

2024-05-31 15:31

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+1 It’s now a marathon not a sprint less fluke teams

2024-05-31 15:37

Or just make your own events and invite yourself ((betboom))

2024-05-31 17:46

no one gets discovered from the major. All the great t2-3 teams/player are already known on fpl or for their performances at t2-3. Sure iM and jL get hyped big time after Paris, but its not like they were complete no-namers before. If you followed t2 both of them were good prospects.

2024-05-31 18:38

Name one popular competitive FPS where there are no cheaters, yeah that's what I thought. Even if Valve had best AC available, there would be cheaters in open qualis anyway.

2024-05-31 12:08

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Fr ppl seem to forget that last year in Valo some female team almost made it all the way through the open and closed qualifiers with a cheater on their team lmao AC doesnt matter its the game culture

2024-05-31 12:27

4 replies

Forget? I for one have never heard of this. Quite interesting, do you mind providing some more info?

2024-05-31 15:40

3 replies

Yeh they made playoffs and beat a bunch of actual orgs before they got dq because a player was flagged by vanguard This article is good dexerto.com/valorant/valorant-game-chang..

2024-05-31 17:54

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also, while digging for the info, i found also another case of player cheating, this time, in the male circuit in indonesian tier 2 Note that this player was NOT flagged by Vanguard, someone snitched apparently valo2asia.com/word-exe-to-netflix-exe-al..

2024-05-31 17:57

Thanks. Got banned mid-match too lol

2024-05-31 19:33

By that logic they would be in the closed quals as well. I'm not disagreeing, but shutting down open qualifications in one region while not in another is just a garbage decision. Either you disallow it or you continue with open quals, knowing the risk but hopefully learning more and more from each quals on how to shutdown and rewind parts of the bracket, where legit teams have been affected.

2024-05-31 12:27

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In closed qualis you will have teams that proved themselves at least playing some online CCT shit. I know it doesn't completely eliminate cheaters, but most of them do. I am not saying dropping open qualis is great idea, but probably best available now. Also disagree with people who say dropping open will lead to less new teams. Which unknown team goes to major open quali before idk, trying to dominate Faceit, esportal, smaller cups, CCT online? In 99% cases such team will lose in first matches or cheat. For esports integrity it seems good idea. CS has most open scene of all comp shooters anyway, look at Valo, few tournees sponsored by Riot and that's all. Sometimes there are more matches in one day of CS esport than whole month of Valo esports lmao.

2024-05-31 12:50

2 replies

Ecstatic?

2024-05-31 16:19

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What tf are you talking about?

2024-05-31 16:49

yes but then it's gonna be 1 cheater in qualifiers vs 100 cheaters in qualifiers reminder that only ONE cheater got caught in Valorant ascension was one of the biggest news in Valorant, here it is just another normal day

2024-05-31 14:07

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One lmao, just first page of google search: bo3.gg/valorant/news/in-the-high-ranks-o.. forbes.com/sites/mikestubbs/2023/12/21/d.. strafe.com/news/read/alleged-cheating-in.. bo3.gg/valorant/news/a-new-wave-of-bans-.. valo2asia.com/a-valorant-player-in-china.. Plus as I wrote in #162: "CS has most open scene of all comp shooters anyway, look at Valo, few tournees sponsored by Riot and that's all. Sometimes there are more matches in one day of CS esport than whole month of Valo esports lmao." Please don't compare trash Valo esports to CS, thanks. If you don't like CS, you can go for Valorant all day.

2024-05-31 14:11

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2024-05-31 12:43

+1 fuck valve

2024-05-31 12:53

+1 LMFAO

2024-05-31 13:37

the TOs for qualifiers literally use third party kernel AC like faceit does lol. Its not faceit though its a different company.

2024-05-31 13:39

3 replies

This particular AC was so good that it made Valve ban the open circuit for the majors.

2024-05-31 14:23

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You think someone willing to cheat at major quals isn’t going to be able to find a cheat that bypasses it? AC will never be that good

2024-05-31 22:25

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The reason AC is ever implemented in any game ever is to mitigate the amount of cheaters, not to get rid of them completely. The principle point of having one is just raising the floor of needed things to do to cheat.

2024-06-01 13:37

+111111 my thoughts

2024-05-31 14:21

yes yes not valve's fault at all

2024-05-31 11:41

Yep this is the most horrible solution to the problem. Open qualifiers are what makes the game open and "fair" (if we don't count all the cheating) for all the people who want to sign up... now it's basically just a giant partner event :|

2024-05-31 12:08

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+1000

2024-05-31 16:51

I highly doubt this is about cheaters. It is most likely to streamline the qualification process because it was too complicated before and brand new teams almost never qualified through open quals anyway. It was usually older teams that make the major, so not that much will change.

2024-05-31 12:32

Not just a case of "if you can't fix it, remove it". This will prevent so many new orgs to enter the CS scene! A typical short term focus from TOs who only seek to run a good event rather than looking at the big picture hear. Change my mind!

2024-05-31 11:38

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we are gonna have pro scene with big teams only, also the already qualified thing doesnt make sense at all, it's like already qualifying for world cup if you high enough in ranking in football/soccer

2024-05-31 11:43

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Agreed for the already qualified, that was quite unfair. However being stuck to see the same matches and same teams playing against each other is not sustainable. Then what? Only org like Falcon, able to afford spending crazy money to buy out the best of the best, will be able to come and compete. Leading to a crazy hype in player salary and transfer, then only few team will be able to remain in the circuit. Regarding the world cup, I am not a football fanatic but aren't all country able to participate? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_qua..

2024-05-31 12:08

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the qualifiers are open for everyone, you'll see san marino go against germany if the table made those matches. it's just healthy for the circuit. this way it's just dumb. i cant understand people having the other opinion even if they explain their reasoning, it just seems so counterintuitive

2024-05-31 12:10

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I can understand that point, when the qualifier are designed to make the strongest teams pretty much guarantee to pass (with loser brackets/last chance qualifiers or multiple maches against lower ranked oponents) is quite hypocritical - which I think it is the current system. But limiting the event to selected teams with a criticised ranking system is not a way to address it. But yeah, watch germany - san marino or a good movie.... I'll pick the movie any day!

2024-05-31 12:21

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better teams already have better chances at winning, removing open is just a shit move and i will die on this hill (i am angry af too cuz we had preplanning done for the opens lmao)

2024-05-31 12:22

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Couldn't say it better. To make it ot he RMR/Major is a chance for people to get noticed in the pro-scene.

2024-05-31 12:25

2024-05-31 12:08

What's the point of an open qualifier anyway ? It's just free content for washed NA pros to gather up and stream. It's just a waste of time and most teams that go through open quallis will find their way into closed anyways.

2024-05-31 12:04

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No just washed NA pros, washed pros from all over the world ;) . More seriously, it giving changes to all the lower tier orgs to shine. Look at the Paris major, it was a fluke for most big orgs but for smaller ones (and their players especially) it was a game changer. I was delighted for Apex, ITB and GL. I think some players like JL, IM and Cypher had a real breakthrough there.

2024-05-31 12:13

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Orgs like apex, itb and GL will make it into closed through ranking anyways so no need to worry about that. This just stops streamers who farm content who, let's be real didn't even care about qualifying and it stops random 5 stacks with cheaters. Nothing much will change with this rule.

2024-05-31 12:19

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What about the orgs that want to invest in CS and set up a line up for the major? That was a great way to skip 40 million tier 5 tournaments to be able to climb the ranking ladder.

2024-05-31 12:27

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Those orgs were only after the money, and not really about CS or playing the game... If as an org you only play in 1-2 tournaments per year, you should just leave the industry at that point...

2024-05-31 12:34

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that's true. But in some cases it is beneficial for the players. Look at 3Dmax. They only invested for the major. Maka said in an interview that the org can only pay them until the next major - if they don't qualify it over. But the players who were grinding like crazy - without salary - manage to find some stability this way. I agree with you and I hate when orgs do stuff like that - this limited commitments - but what is the alternative there? I don't know many orgs that will be willing to invest to spend money on players to be stuck in lower tiers tournaments.

2024-05-31 12:44

Teams like that barely ever made a major anyway. And it's not like they set up a team for one specific major and later disband. You always have the next major, better to have some reps in the events before the major, expecialy if ur a new team.

2024-05-31 12:35

Itb was in open qualifiers for paris. Gl, sprout, fnatic, astralis in rio. Estatic and heroic for copenhagen Also god forbid you actually change 3 players between major cycle 1 and 2. Looking at how hesitant the orgs already are to change more than 3 players this will actievely hinder orgs.

2024-05-31 12:44

8 replies

Until you get an org with crazy cash comming in and altering the market by offering crazy transfer money and salary! indering the smaller orgs further.

2024-05-31 12:46

3 replies

Which org did that then? And you would stop them with these changes for sure right??????

2024-05-31 12:47

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When you get major event limited to select teams, one way to get to get into these events is to buyout the core of one of these select team. We can easly look at the new falcon roster, getting ence core, followed by ence getting the nine core. and isn't how G2, FAze, VP (the russian one) to name a few get there? not by grinding the lower tiers but by injecting cash way above market price to get to the top straight away. You can't stop that, I agree with you on that, but these change prevent one the alternative that was creating a competitive line up "ready" to fight for top tier CS without 4 month 27/7 grinding lower tier tournaments.

2024-05-31 13:39

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I think top players do not want to play trhough the open qualifiers most of the time. Because why else would falcons pick up ence core instead of 5 of the best players. So what issue are you solving by doing these changes?

2024-05-31 16:48

But they won't have to be anymore if they play good in other events. It's not that hard to climb a regional rankings if ur a team that deserves the major spot.

2024-05-31 13:53

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A recent up tick in form because of getting another player in your squad? Major just makes it so the best team at that event wins. Not the best team for the past 6 months. Or lets say you are just outside of the ranking. No chance to make it through.

2024-05-31 16:49

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So a team that flukes an opening stage is more deserving of a major then someone who was consistant for 6 months ?

2024-05-31 17:29

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A team would have to fluke open qualifiers and close qualifiers and rmr.

2024-06-01 02:17

this change doesn't affect that tho, as ITB, Apeks and GL are all orgs that were already playing other tournaments and would likely get an invite to the closed qualifier

2024-05-31 13:53

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It would have for estatic

2024-05-31 14:45

Wrong, it just means you can’t make a brand new team and qualify for major. You have to do it earlier and play yourself up into the major rankings to get the invite.

2024-05-31 12:31

Yes, you will need an org to get to closed qualifier most likely, but it's not like you can't rise in Valve regional rankings by playing all the other tournaments during the year... This stops teams from just focusing on one tournament and making a long run on it and then showing nothing for 99% of the year... Actually giving profit for consistently playing good in tournaments around the year; Sure, long open qualifier runs from non-org teams will be gone... For Major cycle... There will still be many tournaments that will have open qualifiers, and those tournaments helps teams rise on Valve ranking, to get to the Major :)

2024-05-31 12:32

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+1 this might eliminate the ofteen seen teams that play godly at the major and proceed to be no namers the rest of the year. This system gives more stability to teams that actively play at a high level. The only big issue I see here is that new teams that may show promise and could have qualified under the previous system may need huge backing of a big org to sustain their competitiveness for long enough. Lower tiers just don't pay much unless your team matchfixes, and if you have to actively play tournaments and get good placements, it will take a lot of resources to get there. It might not sustain the development of talent at the current rate

2024-05-31 13:47

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Yeah, also they did this change 1 major too early tbh; Since partner leagues are still a thing and those probably give most points to ranking;

2024-05-31 14:07

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My thoughts exactly. They fumbled but not terribly; we will see how it turns out, but they need to consider how they can develop the open circuit lower tiers ASAP now that this goes in effect. We will definitely see the effect of the partner tournaments for Shanghai, but it should be somewhat better in 2025 (for the 2nd major at least, 1st can still be a weird situation)

2024-05-31 14:34

I'm unsure about these changes, but I think this is related to Valve's plan to force all TOs to give up partnerships and sweetheart invites next year. Since they will have to either do invites based on Valve's ranking or offer open qualifier spots, it should make the ranking system more open. In theory this should open up more events to other teams, but I'm not sure why Valve are making this change to the major *before* opening up the rest of the scene.

2024-05-31 15:06

esports baby this isn't your father's CS keep your random level 10 faceit 5 stack at home, you need big money to compete now

2024-06-05 05:47

Unfortunate

2024-05-31 11:38

what a shitshow

2024-05-31 11:40

This game is fucking finished

2024-05-31 11:40

Lame

2024-05-31 11:40

I think there's a typo here: "Europe: 10, Americas: 4, Asia: 2, to Europe: 6, Americas: 4, Asia: 3" Americas should have 7 slots now.

2024-05-31 11:40

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yeah, i did not understand how many spots they gave to Americas

2024-05-31 11:48

It says Europe 6, Americas 7, Asia 3 at the moment

2024-05-31 12:40

damn, this sucks

2024-05-31 11:41

This is such a bad change.. open qualifiers is legit the beauty of major

2024-05-31 11:41

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2024-05-31 16:19

This is really good. Means T2 teams in CCT have to actually play to win so they have a good standing in Valves Ranking.

2024-05-31 11:42

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Nothing changes for them, since their goal is not to move in ranking and get to the major. Most of them want to stay in these leagues to matchfix and make money that way.

2024-05-31 11:56

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I doubt that. I think most T2 teams still want to go to the major if possible. There is also a lot of money there.

2024-05-31 18:32

we hv to fight back

2024-05-31 11:43

No rmr for radar team except Sashi.

2024-05-31 11:43

nice one cheaters will cry now

2024-05-31 11:44

isn´t that the complete opposite of valve´s vision of 5 players coming together and winning it all?

2024-05-31 11:44

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lmao it is, they wanna make open circuit by removing openness. why focus on improving judges and anticheat when you can just cut open?

2024-05-31 11:46

yeah they're just dumb.. this makes i very much closed and basically "partner" invites

2024-05-31 12:10

#265

2024-05-31 15:02

Fuck that, our anti cheat sucks and we need that sweet sweet Chinese moneyyyyyyyyyyyy

2024-05-31 15:29

literaly contradicting themselves with this shit they ban franchising for events like blast etc only to then lokc the majors under their own mini franchise

2024-06-03 11:16

Teams ranked 50-70 will now start sending invite requests to tournaments they think they can win to secure an RMR spot. Times are changing

2024-05-31 11:44

Not good!

2024-05-31 11:45

I think they did this to counter cheater teams, but then basically cucked all the legit teams. Annoying af cause I was gonna sign up hahaha.

2024-05-31 11:45

5 replies

same, we were training to just try it out but now fuck it. all this because they cant have judges and anticheat

2024-05-31 11:46

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Yeah it's really annoying, even if me and my friends weren't going to win any game and probably get 13-0'd it's still so much fun, but that's been taken away now, fuck valve for this one.

2024-05-31 11:50

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you are in the same boat as me and my buds, we had strat book ready to go in and lose 13 1 to get at least 1 round but fuck valve, i wont change negative review now

2024-05-31 11:51

Just find 3 Finns with Asian/middle eastern passports and you can still try

2024-05-31 12:15

We were about to witness misttaa and co dynasty :(

2024-05-31 21:12

Ok, cs is officially dying for me Open qualifiers are the most fun i have watching cs.

2024-05-31 11:45

5 replies

Watching teams make miracle runs is the best

2024-05-31 20:18

4 replies

It's what I've been preaching about for years about csgo. If it doesn't change it's an era that will be missed.

2024-06-01 00:15

3 replies

People just wanna watch the same teams win the same events over and over with 0 change, its so strange

2024-06-01 03:20

2 replies

same teams, same results then when the major comes around and they get upset its a "problem" when its the fact that big teams hardly play lower tier teams which is why upsets happen lol

2024-06-01 06:11

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People just wanna see the same old boring matchups sadly

2024-06-01 12:11

massive L, time to see the same 16 teams at every major with 0 upsets YIPPEEEEEEEEEEE

2024-05-31 11:46

24 replies

I would rather watch good cs than watch some beer mix get absolutely destroyed every game.

2024-05-31 11:50

2 replies

That's why you want an open qualifier. Ecstatic made it to the major because the established teams couldn't win against them.

2024-05-31 14:26

Yeah man good CS when the same 3 teams win the major every cycle, its much more enjoyable seeing new faces come up and threaten top teams just like ecstatic, ITB, apeks, GL

2024-05-31 20:09

+1 this is so stuipid

2024-05-31 11:53

and its better, who cares about noname/bad teams?

2024-05-31 12:06

18 replies

I care for upsets and miracle runs. I don't give two shits about the exact same teams every tournament. It's like a freaking soup opera, maybe a winner changes once in a while but the teams are the same

2024-05-31 12:18

11 replies

but if top 16 team wins it will be upset too

2024-05-31 13:13

8 replies

But if the top 16 teams never change but only change positions it's little to no difference. We want new faces, new names sometimes and new prodigies. Not this partner shittery

2024-05-31 14:19

7 replies

so just win qualifications???

2024-05-31 17:06

6 replies

There are no qualifications to win, unable to read article?

2024-05-31 20:15

5 replies

i mean qualifications for other tournaments...

2024-05-31 20:40

4 replies

Ok dude, because a tier 2 team will definitely win enough points to steal a place from an already established team when there are cheaters ruining events, this change happened cuz cheaters were ruining qualifiers and do you not think its happening in non tier 1 events?

2024-05-31 21:13

3 replies

ofc a lot of cheaters in tier 2 online events, but i am talking about at least lan event. Show me cheater at tier 1-2 lan event from last few years if team in top 16 then obv this team is better than some random stack (ofc with exceptions like EG or NiP)

2024-05-31 21:17

2 replies

Trolling or brain damage, winning 1 tier 2 lan event isnt going to get a team enough points to get into the major and online events are ruled by cheaters, Holy fuck

2024-05-31 22:01

1 reply

ofc lol?? it would be the same for open quals, you have to be consistent for months to attend major

2024-05-31 23:12

You care about for upset, cuz gamba money!! People bet like crazy, so finally 50/50 bets.

2024-05-31 14:27

1 reply

I don't really bet at all

2024-05-31 16:08

If no name teams werent allowed in the cycle (which is what is about to happen) we wouldnt see players like suihy get the chance to join mouz and we wouldnt have a strong mouz right now, locking in the same teams every cycle blocks potential stars from ever prospering and I think its a terrible decision

2024-05-31 20:11

5 replies

first of all, siuhy was in mouz nxt, and then transferred to main roster second i dont mind if player is good and he joins already known team but what's the point of watching noname roster? they wont play good vs tier 1 team (ofc if not some fluke happens)

2024-05-31 20:47

4 replies

Ah yes Siuhys time in gamerlegion just didnt happen

2024-05-31 21:10

3 replies

??? whats with that? as i said "if not fluke happens" gamerlegion in MAJOR final is fluke

2024-05-31 21:14

2 replies

You literally said he was in NXT then transferred to mouz which is just incorrect but go off, so let me get this right, if the team isnt a top team on hltv ranking any good placement they get is a fluke? average hltv user

2024-05-31 21:57

1 reply

if team goes to 1 major final but before and after doing literally nothing, its just fluke why gamerlegion couldnt get at least a few semifinals at tier 1 events?

2024-05-31 23:14

it still includes top 48 in europe, the chance any team below makes the major is massively small, ecstatic who made the open quals for copenhagen would still have been invited to the new closed quals so it doesnt change anything in that regard

2024-05-31 23:52

What is the OC cheating I'm reading about here? Radar, region abuse?

2024-05-31 11:47

3 replies

basically last open qualifier there were alot of cheaters because they used shitty 3rd party anticheat (cuz they're too lazy to fix their own). and now they removed open qualifiers, which means you'll watch the same teams over and over

2024-05-31 11:58

2 replies

Faceit AC would've been so much better last quals but it still wouldn't detect radar that shit is undetectable for now (even with the best AC so there's not much Valve can do)

2024-05-31 14:45

1 reply

Faceit must have asked for too much it seems like.

2024-05-31 21:23

thanks radar cheaters and radar crybabies that ruined this

2024-05-31 11:47

3 replies

fuck them and fuck valve for not hiring judges and anticheat progrmmers

2024-05-31 11:52

1 reply

lol thinking unbiased judge would be real, pro players literally called cheats on ropz what makes you think a random judge would be any smarter

2024-05-31 13:43

2024-06-05 10:01

CS IS death, open qualifiers are the pinacle of CS, boring Major btw

2024-05-31 11:47

blame cheaters for this

2024-05-31 11:49

6 replies

blame cheaters for bypassing world class anti cheat known as VAC

2024-05-31 11:52

4 replies

open werent with vac

2024-05-31 11:52

3 replies

what i’m saying is this is really happening because the copenhagen qualifiers were filled with cheaters cuz of a dogshit 3rd party ac, if vac was yk actually doing its job we wouldn’t have this issue

2024-05-31 11:54

2 replies

yeah i know, still sucks cuz some teams wont be attending, i dont get why there are some people who say this is good. this is fucking awful for the scene

2024-05-31 11:55

U can't detect radar hacking though but nt

2024-05-31 16:14

Cheaters arent the ones who made this executive decision

2024-05-31 11:54

nah I dont like this and I doubt anybody does

2024-05-31 11:49

This is the worst decision ever made

2024-05-31 11:50

how did this idea leave the conference room

2024-05-31 11:51

Coming up next: franchise spots

2024-05-31 11:52

That's lame.

2024-05-31 11:53

So now teams have to play the season if they wanna get to major. And show results. That eliminates cheaters, unless they are very high profile, and matchfixing at lower tiers, if teams want to make it one day, the ones who don't believe in themselves at all might go harder at it. But losing just some mix coming together and try to qualify legitimately is a loss. The path lies throw academies and lower tiers now, you can't just run into the scene. And no more rooting for some not-so-random mixes like BoomerDemons.

2024-05-31 11:54

12 replies

open werent the issue, they were the good thing of the openness of the major. with removing it it actually seems more closed than anything else tbh, you dont see football world cup having rankings only teams, you'll get fucking san marino losing but at least trying

2024-05-31 11:56

6 replies

Look, I like the cinderella stories and random mixes making it as well, as well as teams like NiP, Liquid, Bleed and Astralis failing to make it through open, it is fun. But at the same time I acknowledge that this change is made to get the teams to actively play events and not just try to find their way through open to 3 months contract of a noname org that also tries their luck into getting stickers.

2024-05-31 12:07

5 replies

whats bad about that when players are then bought? players of cs get more stickers which are funny to use, players get their opportunity and bigger orgs get free scouting, it's just bad to close it

2024-05-31 12:09

4 replies

I mean, ESEA Advanced and similar events and leagues exist. Have to now look there, and also limits the chance of signing one event wonders. Sure it sucks you can't now just make a mix "to try to qualify for fun" and have to commit. But at the same time, those who commit now have more chances.

2024-05-31 12:14

3 replies

those who commit always had better chances mate, it is just dumb to remove olne thing all together for reasons when it costed nothing to do so. you can argument all you want but i will still think this is a shitty decision.

2024-05-31 12:16

2 replies

Not arguing that it's a shitty decision, just trying to find and process the possible reasonings behind it. After all, some logic has to be there, right?

2024-05-31 12:29

1 reply

i think of the worst, they cant hire that many judges for eu and cant seem to fix anticheat so they just cut the easiest thing

2024-05-31 12:32

everything about this change, apart from "less cheaters" is A MAJOR MAJOR L for the entire CS scene. the more open main competition is, the better. This is like if for football world cup only top 50 countries can qualify, and the rest never even get the chance

2024-05-31 12:19

4 replies

#124

2024-05-31 12:29

3 replies

I mean the only logic Valve did here is: we are really shit at making anti-cheat, so we will close it off due to our incompetence.

2024-05-31 12:35

2 replies

Well, I mean, in that case it is better that way than have cheaters all the way until LAN comes into play until they get their shit together. Unless you propose to cancel the major altogether instead.

2024-05-31 12:36

1 reply

Honestly if this is just a 1 time thing for only 1 major max 2 i'm ok with it. but if it's gonna be like this forever I'd rather have no majors, yes. we have plenty other games with partner-only tournaments and it's all ZzZzzzZ. And plenty of other tournaments in CS2 we can watch instead. Valve better get their shit together

2024-05-31 12:54

Lol, opening Blast and ESL circuit's just to make Majors closed circuit.

2024-05-31 11:54

12 replies

Well, new teams just have to play and show results in those open circuits to get invited. Even top 8 from previous major is not safe anymore as they might lose RMR invite if they play the season awfully. Doubt the point loss will be bad enough to lose closed qualifiers invites for them, but we shall see.

2024-05-31 11:56

11 replies

top teams get directly elimination stage position mate, they remove qualifiers all together for high ranked ones

2024-05-31 11:57

5 replies

It's literally the first point. Nothing is guaranteed, you gotta farm that ranking. "There will be no more RMR invites going to attendees of the previous Major's Elimination Stage. All RMR invites will be decided via Valve's Regional Standings or closed qualifiers."

2024-05-31 11:58

4 replies

regional standing meaning top teams already in jsut like before thats what im saying

2024-05-31 11:59

3 replies

having this isnt bad by itself but removing open with it is just dumb

2024-05-31 12:00

Sure, not arguing with that. But the standings can change if team suddenly drops in perfomance (so called fluke). So the team might even not be invited to RMR if they are the champions and have to work for it. It sure removes "nonamers", as teams have to make themselves a name throughout the season.

2024-05-31 12:02

1 reply

i think it's just bad for the circuit, now you must have a good team all around to make yourself a name or go with academy, we wont have teams that appear from nothing and then get their players bought by bigger orgs anymore, it's a shitty decision all ways cuz it costed nothing having open quali in EU

2024-05-31 12:06

and how open will those circuits be? my guess is not that open. now instead of blast inviting partner teams like faze, g2 and navi, they will invite top X teams based on valve rankings, which guess what, are still faze, g2 and navi.

2024-05-31 14:51

2 replies

Yeah, that's the part I'm unsure about, if Valve don't mandate a certain number of open qualifier spots (and spots for minor regions as well) it will just be the same teams getting invited most of the time.

2024-05-31 15:05

Yeah. And then same teams are going to get points to rankings just by getting invites. Literally destroying lower tier CS. Also this means that we are going to have problems with tournaments like BetBoom etc. And the fact that lower tier teams have to play shit ton of random tournaments to even have a chance for closed qualifier. Meanwhile we can have EG situation just getting points and invites everywhere.

2024-05-31 16:17

One immediate problem: those open circuits don't exist, yet.

2024-05-31 20:00

1 reply

I can think of the solution but that would fuck up partner teams for the next half a year, depending on the agreements they have though. Just don't count those towards Valve ranking if there are partner slots or it's invite only (without some kind of ranking as a factor) events.

2024-06-01 09:44

Very disappointing change. The only exciting matches recently were those between unknown, highly motivated, heaving fun guys fighting against T1 and T2 teams, and winning sometimes! Now it's gonna be again just "meeehhh" as usual. I'm too old for this boring closed qualifiers.

2024-05-31 11:54

this is so stupid

2024-05-31 11:54

Insanely bad decision, one good thing from cs is the the fact that it was open for all, if you play and win you're in anf thats it, and that was beautiful... Now mediocre team will be invited without fighting and that sucks

2024-05-31 11:57

2 replies

2024-05-31 12:00

+1 it's the worst decision Valve ever made

2024-05-31 12:21

this is terrible

2024-05-31 11:59

We need BO5 grand final.

2024-05-31 12:01

1 reply

2024-05-31 12:05

This sucks. I thought it was gonna be for Majors starting next year with no partner invite bullshit, making the scene open as a whole instead of just Major and this rendering OFs unneeded . This basically means that current top 30-40 teams get straight into the Major regardless of how inflated their points are for Shanghai Not cool Valve

2024-05-31 12:02

5 replies

Actually scratch that , it's downright awful decision. I completely forgot about how the openness of the Major contributes towards any random 5 people of the world coming together and try their luck at glory. We wouldn't have fairy tales like BNE or Gamerlegion if it wasnt for openness of the Majors. What the actual ruck Valve, eliminating closed circuit dominance of Blast and ESL only to impose their own ?!?

2024-05-31 12:06

4 replies

bne and gamerlegion had rankings, ecstatic on the other hand had to lower rank

2024-05-31 12:07

2 replies

I meant in the sense of when they first started grinding. BNE shook everyone out of a closed qualifier , Gamerlegion roster's debut was in the OF, they didn't even officially announced their team before qualifying through a qualifier. Later they were playing a final of one You get the idea

2024-05-31 12:14

1 reply

yeah it's dumb, i hope valve rethinks this cuz it will stale eu scene

2024-05-31 12:15

32 teams make the EU RMR with more being included in the second closed qualifier All the teams you mentioned wouldve had the ranking to make the rmr qualification anyways, what are you mad about?

2024-05-31 12:30

L change

2024-05-31 12:05

How a bad Asia region gets it, but Europe doesn't? Stop these free invites

2024-05-31 12:08

7 replies

Because their region is less established and small, In Europe etc they want to reward stable orgs and not gold diggers.

2024-05-31 12:49

6 replies

Yeah, but we don't want to go in partner league way.I know team is buying a roster for rmr or for a quick score, but for players it's bad. How about OG or rest of the teams that have free spot by doing nothing? They would be swept in open quali, so why not just give the spot to someone new?

2024-05-31 13:08

5 replies

#115

2024-05-31 13:08

4 replies

So you should just play at some tier 1 events, do nothing and get a free invite? Not fair.

2024-05-31 13:11

3 replies

Are you intentionally playing dumb? Do you know how rankings work? Rankings involve achieving results, if you don’t achieve anything you get nothing, this means it is 100% fair, to the exact contrary of what you said.

2024-05-31 13:15

2 replies

9z Dallas run wouldnt even have a chance to happen at major.

2024-05-31 21:27

1 reply

This is nonsense, 9Z would qualify through closed major qualifier like they always did - but if they fail in the RMRs it’s their own fault Plus you’re comparing Dallas to a Major 😂

2024-05-31 23:31

Did they just kill 50% of the scene? Lmao

2024-05-31 12:08

3 replies

If 50% of the scene was gold diggers surely. But it wasn’t

2024-05-31 12:50

2 replies

Well, BNE was, Smooya and his endless stacks, EF were too

2024-05-31 15:04

1 reply

EF is a proper org, BNE maybe, smooya 100%

2024-05-31 18:29

Shit change it was nice way to show up on scen via open qualifiers

2024-05-31 12:12

>we have to either implement anticheat or we can't have open qualifiers... >Breaking News: Valve remove open qualifiers from RMR

2024-05-31 12:12

1 reply

2024-05-31 12:19

very good decision. Plebs can disagree, but having the teams qualify based on how they did in the other tournaments rather how they did in open bo1 qualifer vs cheater is always a positive change. It will bring higher lvl of competition to not only majors but, rmrs as well.

2024-05-31 12:15

8 replies

or teams who achieved high rankking can just sit down cuz they are not at risk of not qualifying in the open. it costed nothing to just hire judges and improve anti cheat while keeping open and i will die on this hill

2024-05-31 12:19

3 replies

Do you think the amount of ppl, who are able to tell with amazing consistently if players way better than them are cheating, reaches thousands? What about the human error? you think out of these thousands judges everyone will be correct every single time? I would rather let the best who are proven to not being a cheater fight it out.

2024-05-31 12:27

2 replies

think how you want but i think this idea of just cutting it without trying to fix the root problem will just harm the scene more than it will do good and i will die on this hill tbh, i cant understand the opposite

2024-05-31 12:33

1 reply

"trying to fix the root problem", okey how would u fix hardware cheats, as far as i know no one found the answer yet.

2024-05-31 12:41

last major had the best circuit in post-covid era because half the teams were invited to the CQ based on rankings (so big names could avoid the open clownfiesta), and the other half were invited based on open qualifier results why did they backtrack on it? idk. just have valve reach deep into their pocket and license a special faceit anticheat version just for the online open qualifications. but i guess it is easier to just axe down open quals instead of admitting that your game is a cheatfiesta unless you resort to 3rd parties doing the hard work for you :/

2024-05-31 15:03

3 replies

yep, that was amazing change as well. Basing anything on actual results rather than some random last few bo1 matches is always better in my mind when it comes to qualification for anything. Its obviously not perfect, since simply increasing the number of pro teams allowed in qualifier would be better. But simply not allowing these faceit 3k+ elo nonamers trying to qualify with radar every fucking time is always a positive change. Go prove it on lan somewhere u are not cheating first, and they u will have a chance to qualify. Thats how it should be. Regarding the anticheat, i dont think cheats like radar in most cases are even possible to ban. If u have a live time demo from a gambling site, and some of these guys cheat in that way, then it will never be possible to ban that cheater unless its a lan enviorment. So i would rather simply not risk that allowing the bums to compete.

2024-05-31 15:09

2 replies

but even if they stop organizing open quals, advanced hw hacks still remain an issue. the invites to CQ are based on results from online tournies, and the CQ itself is still an online tournament. now consider how life changing qualifying for the major would be moneywise for many of those players, so important that some might risk it and turn on the radar. imho, removing OQ is not a solution for the advanced hw hacks, it is only a solution for the shitty hacks, but for those we have better solutions, aka battle-proven anticheats such as faceit.

2024-05-31 17:39

1 reply

agreed, probably should ve lower how much value these online tournaments have. But even faceit anticheat cant ban the cases i am talking about. Akuma is the most known example, and there are for sure multiple teams doing staff like this in online tourneys. So proving on LAN that u do not cheat is the only sollution i can see.

2024-05-31 18:18

So Valve removed partner leagues to make their own tournaments escentially a parter league? what a joke. another Valve L

2024-05-31 12:21

4 replies

this will even hurt smaller teams in the long run

2024-05-31 12:21

1 reply

yeah it's just stupid only because this billion dollar company is to incompetent/doesn't want to code a proper anticheat

2024-05-31 12:22

This is utter nonsense. Now it is closed, meaning, you have to make a team in advance and achieve a high enough rank to get invited - this has nothing to do with being partnered. Partnered means you have a contract and are guaranteed to play whether you’re shit or not.

2024-05-31 12:27

1 reply

The valve ranking is still dominated by partner teams who get free prize money from partner leagues. This change might have been okay in like 2028 or AT LEAST 2025 after partner leagues are gone, but as this stands the Shanghai major is essentially just a partner league with ESL/Blast.

2024-05-31 19:55

Totally awful decision. This thing just shuts down the road for smaller t2 teams to show up on a big tournament. This decision just removes for example teams from previous year like Monte, ITB, Apeks, polish 9INE. Even The Mongolz which have progressed recently wouldn't be able to be on major like a year ago with this rulebook. WTF is Valve doing. Also, how can we describe situation when tier 1 team just formed theirs squad and it isn't in Valve ranking already, beacuse they don't have any points? With this kind of thinking, new Gamerlegion or even TOP 1 TEAM NOW Mouz wouldn't be able to participate in the most prestigious event of the year. Another joke from Valve, huge L and I'm not even surprised. This company just doesn't contribute to community at all. Just look how shitty cs2 looks now with full bunch of cheaters in game.

2024-05-31 12:23

Bruh

2024-05-31 12:26

Another step further from real sports in the direction of franchised closed garden, sad

2024-05-31 12:27

1 reply

It's nba's fault

2024-06-01 15:56

It's a big blow for orgs who change 3+ players and do rebuild like fnatic or liquid did last year

2024-05-31 12:30

1 reply

heroic too

2024-05-31 12:33

meds

2024-05-31 12:28

It means people can’t open new teams just for the Major anymore and theoretically get qualified. Practically this never happened in the last years anyway. So it is not that big of a change in practice, it just makes qualification easier for the TOs mainly, otherwise not much will change. Teams who are good enough will get invited like before.

2024-05-31 12:29

3 replies

count in that rebuilds too, heroic liquid fnatic all rebuilt going into the major

2024-05-31 12:34

2 replies

Yes it means the orgs have to play a long term game - it means the game is more serious and orgs who are unstable and change players too much will get punished. Hence the really good orgs like G2 Faze Vit Navi etc will have 0 impact from this.

2024-05-31 12:35

1 reply

"unstable and change players too much" Navi completely changed its core last year. They only got points through their partnerships. If Navi had done that in 2025 ecosystem they wouldn't even be at the major

2024-05-31 18:50

Isn't China one of the hardest countries in the world to get into? yet Valve want to send 56 teams there, good fucking luck.

2024-05-31 12:29

removing open quals is a tremendously, unbelievably stupid decision

2024-05-31 12:30

Fuck you Valve, wholehearteadly.

2024-05-31 12:31

em.... no comments + big L

2024-05-31 12:32

Well well after all these 20 years CS is finally going down, like Shroud said, cs dies with 2

2024-05-31 12:33

2 replies

Shroud is talking a lot, and especially what he said there was from a point of hate (he was ousted from C9 and C9 then won major without him) + he was baiting as streamers do 99% of the day.

2024-05-31 12:37

Imagine thinking Shroud opinions matter lol

2024-05-31 20:26

The end of an era

2024-05-31 12:35

Better adjust the calibration for ranking since I know for a fact some are defo not it Among other things like roster reshuffle etc

2024-05-31 12:39

why... Restricting open qualifiers would be fine, but there should still be a few spots reserved for open quals imo. It's part of the soul of CS.

2024-05-31 12:39

14 replies

Open quals were mainly for fun and giggles nearly none of those new teams made it through. Gold diggers mainly. It now rewards more steady orgs and will punish orgs who are not competent. It is a step towards a more serious game.

2024-05-31 12:51

13 replies

Its not if they did get through, its about the possibility.

2024-05-31 21:29

i dont get this reasoning, stable orgs should qualify and beat casual teams regardless so why removing a thing that was fun and done right?

2024-06-01 10:17

11 replies

I think because of the complexity of the qualifications it was a lot of work, others say it was about too many cheaters in open system - I don’t know about that.

2024-06-01 15:18

10 replies

still shitty decision to me, especially when valve had record revenue these last years. opening the circuit more would just be healthy for the circuit. this "closed" ranking based idea would work if the scene was bigger but for it to be bigger it needs to grow first and open qualifiers helped that

2024-06-01 15:52

9 replies

Valve yes but not the TOs it’s questionable if Valve gave the tos any help with that, PGL last time stated they don’t earn any money with majors, so expensive are these tournaments to make

2024-06-01 15:53

8 replies

and that's why the circuit is not healthy, esports as a whole are coordinated so badly it baffles me (and esports orgs too otherwise they wouldnt need saudi money)

2024-06-01 16:06

7 replies

So it didn’t surprise me they scratched the open quals, the complexity was incredible - I was honestly surprised it’s doable at all

2024-06-01 16:07

6 replies

yeah it doesnt surprise me either, but from not being surprised to agreeing with it it's a sea of difference. i am of the idea that it's a shitty move regardless of the bad organization (but im also biased cuz i wasted months training for that)

2024-06-01 16:08

5 replies

I’m sorry to hear that. Maybe go pro and find a team ? For the long term

2024-06-01 16:09

4 replies

yeah, that sucks. we had strats ready and such cuz we cant really tryhard in esea cuz we are currently all in university studying so open was actually a place were to have fun and test things out, i guess we need to take residence in china now lmao

2024-06-01 16:10

1 reply

Mail this response to Valve maybe it moves them …

2024-06-01 16:11

it isnt really an option cuz we aint planning on that and smaller circuits cost a lot (compared to t he free open qualis)

2024-06-01 16:11

1 reply

Alright gotcha

2024-06-01 16:11

damn , typical day at volvos office

2024-05-31 12:40

Worst change Majors have ever seen Enormous L

2024-05-31 12:43

good

2024-05-31 12:45

1 reply

2024-05-31 20:12

china is not number 1 anymore

2024-05-31 12:46

wtf? RMR 3 months after closed qual

2024-05-31 12:51

1 reply

giving teams more time to avoid another 9Pandas situation, I guess

2024-05-31 19:07

becoming valul franchised shit so if small team want to shoot a shot they wont be able to now cuz shit teams like OG, GG will be higher rank due to their last year Ws

2024-05-31 12:52

2 replies

>last year Ws what Ws, they were trash whole year?

2024-05-31 13:08

1 reply

thats what im talking about i mean look at GG after major but i think their run in Copenhagen will help them in rankings taking the place from worthy team and OG… you don’t need to tell about them but their ORG is so damn big i think “somehow” they will get required place to be invited

2024-05-31 13:13

There will be no more RMR invites going to attendees of the previous Major's Elimination Stage. All RMR invites will be decided via Valve's Regional Standings or closed qualifiers. that means top 8 of 2024 playoffs wont get it too? i mean obviously all teams will be invited this year but what if team won’t be ranked highly enough to be invited to RMR in the future?

2024-05-31 12:59

I am not a fan of the open qualifier removal.

2024-05-31 13:00

The regional slot distribution was changed. The Americas lost their Elimination Stage slot ? we had 4 teams in the elimination stage this major good job valve

2024-05-31 13:02

2 replies

no americas team made it to the playoffs so none of them get a legends spot. that's what this means

2024-05-31 13:19

It's based on teams that make it to the playoffs and there were no Americas teams in the playoffs.

2024-05-31 15:10

absurd

2024-05-31 13:09

Great, now trash ranking by Valve will decide everything lmaoo

2024-05-31 13:11

worst decision ever LOOOOOOOL

2024-05-31 13:11

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2024-05-31 20:12

i dont hate valve's ranking system as much as some people but it definately over weights tier 1 events, falcons is apparently the 11th best team in europe LOL. if saudi oil team gets an invite over a squad that actually deserves it i lose all respect for valve

2024-05-31 13:16

Valve never fails to dissappoint, they were, are and will always be a shit. Hope this makes cs2 collapse

2024-05-31 13:17

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Is this why people play this game since 20 years? Your point surely makes an awful lot of sense.

2024-05-31 13:54

So any brand new roster has no chance of making it

2024-05-31 13:18

every single day the incompetent baboons at Valve manage to make this game worse

2024-05-31 13:18

This is very bad and dumb move for the whole scene and it's growth. Screw that closed club elite of 0.005% teams who get free rating points just by participating in tournaments because they bought a slot before. pay2win, not free for all now.

2024-05-31 13:21

the only W is ruining blast world finals lmao

2024-05-31 13:27

pro cs is over for me

2024-05-31 13:29

So Valve demands an open tournament circuit while they create a close one... Valve are hypocrites.

2024-05-31 13:31

Genuinely disastrous

2024-05-31 13:37

Open circuit is cs DNA, disappointed

2024-05-31 13:38

fuck off volvo

2024-05-31 13:40

Lmao valve taking L after L. No anti cheat. No new content. Gameplay feeling like 200 ping compared to csgo. Honestly, Valve is just fucking incompetent. Their devs are incompetent.

2024-05-31 13:42

This is the worst news in years. Standings are flawed by invites. More money = higher placements. By doing this, motivation of a lot of tier2/3 players might drop off. The major is out of reach for a lot of people now. No more BNE, CPH flames underdog runs. Just horrible.

2024-05-31 13:42

trash

2024-05-31 13:45

Heroic, KOI, and ecstatic, know what these 3 teams have in common? all came from the open qualifiers to be at the last major.

2024-05-31 13:48

"2 - Closed qualifier teams will be decided by Regional Standings, except "if it is not practical to fill all closed qualifier positions via Regional Standings." In practice, this means no open qualifiers in Europe, North America or South America." It's honestly pathetic that this is the best Valve could do to prevent the usual cheating problems in open quals. Why should they waste money on not working anticheats if they can just remove open qualifiers all together, ez profit.

2024-05-31 13:50

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Your mistake is thinking this is only about cheats but it is also to reduce unnecessary work for TOs for teams that don’t make it to the major anyway. Go check how many brand new / tier 0 / no org teams made it to the last majors, I give you a tip, it’s a 0. The only difference will be that new professional teams, not gold diggers, will have to plan ahead and established orgs will have to be more stable and not constantly change players, so good organisations will be rewarded and unstable ones will not, nothing special there.

2024-05-31 13:57

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btw changing players and doing rebuilds is part of cs. it massively increases the competition level you dont want teams to be force stuck with bad rosters

2024-05-31 15:11

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Twistzz one time complained that teams change players too often, it is not only bad for them but also chaotic and unprofessional so I agree with him.

2024-05-31 18:30

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Twistzz also joined a team which would have had zero opportunity to qualify under these rules, sooo...

2024-05-31 19:45

CS has become so fking gay man

2024-05-31 13:51

Lmao

2024-05-31 13:53

You need to be more active to be able to create new forum topics

2024-05-31 13:56

The regional slot distribution was changed. The Americas lost their Elimination Stage slot, with all eight now resting with Europe finally

2024-05-31 13:59

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The wording on the HLTV article is a little poor, but nothing changed there. That's just the distribution of the slots based on the last major.

2024-05-31 15:13

So basically closed quals for minors -> minors -> Major itself. Back in the day. Just no open quals for closed quals in EU

2024-05-31 14:00

finally a rank system thats not hltv lol

2024-05-31 14:08

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esl and blast had their own rankings already. Valve's is shit and based so much on prize money, NA's pretty much dead. New teams have almost no chance to rise up when there aren't any tournaments in your region

2024-05-31 19:03

Its borderline a good change, but my fear is that, since valve ranking is still heavily based on price money, we can see increase in betboom-like practices of buying your way not only to rmr but also into the closed qualifiers. Essentially making teams from smaller countries struggle heavily to even get a chance in a major qualifier. Also I have personally very much enjoyed the chaos which is open qualifiers, but I understand that those are technically challenging to organize.

2024-05-31 14:10

Next month: instead of improving the anticheat, valves removes online play.

2024-05-31 14:09

This is the type of change that should've been implemented like 2030 or something with the scene having WAY more TOs than it currently has Right now it killed all the small teams that wanted to try their luck and qualify for the major

2024-05-31 14:09

not only the game is trash but also valve's decisions. Cs becomes even more soulless and boring. The grave from this game is getting ever so close to be finished. I'm out, not gonna support those stupid fucks and their game. Let it die.

2024-05-31 14:09

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I share the feeling somewhat. Outside of major, I have not really watched any tournament that closely, because it just seems to be going on worse direction all the time. Soulless is good word at describing it. I want to still be optimistic for next year and more open circuit.

2024-05-31 14:13

So 64 EU teams will get some kind of invitation to major circuit?

2024-05-31 14:13

Understandable that they dont want a radar clownfiesta again, but unfair towards legit teams. Takes a lot away from the major

2024-05-31 14:14

I wonder if they did this only for 2025. Cause Partner teams will be removed and there's more T1 tournaments which means more chances for other teams to prove themselves to climb Valve Ranking. That is only assuming tho that these other tournaments will have Open Qualifiers in the first place

2024-05-31 14:18

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Which most of them won't, because the schedule is already really full, and there's really no advantage to the TO

2024-05-31 19:37

Open Qualifiers = Hackers

2024-05-31 14:18

This is a joke. From now on we will only watch 20 teams from valve ranking over and over again

2024-05-31 14:20

AC based decision, decent for viewers, bad for upcoming players.

2024-05-31 14:20

honestly i dont get cheaters in the major it's ironic saying this valve's decision lost the major's prestigiousness but at the same time, be alright with cheaters in the pro scene bc "it's been done ever since." both cheaters and valve should act right. valve should develop a real AC asap. or at least integrate 3rd party AC until then.

2024-05-31 14:22

I smell bullshit

2024-05-31 14:24

Making the biggest teams bigger and completly disregard the up and coming teams. The dream of a major is now officially dead, its just a glorified pro league at this point

2024-05-31 14:26

So teams that make big changes in the summer are fucked. This is bullshit.

2024-05-31 14:36

bruh

2024-05-31 14:40

I cannot protect valve anymore guys, I am done

2024-05-31 14:42

Jesus, this is going to be a disaster

2024-05-31 14:43

horrible change tbh. with invites meant to be based on ranking or open qualifiers, valve are setting the example that it is ok to only base on ranking. this means that esl and blast could chose to only invite by ranking and essentially perpetuate franchise leagues by keeping their members the highest paid in the scene

2024-05-31 14:48

So they kill closed circuit,just to make the major closed circuit? Classic valve

2024-05-31 14:52

lol. now remove bo1s from the major now that its mr13. bet you wont

2024-05-31 14:53

Outrageous.

2024-05-31 14:54

Such bullshit.

2024-05-31 14:56

tbh this is a good change.

2024-05-31 15:01

2024-05-31 15:04

Please no, the best thing about majors was how everyone can play. This is the worst.

2024-05-31 15:07

W move from valve but its kinda rushed...

2024-05-31 15:16

if you are an org, you have to actually build a team and make them good and if you are a team, you have to actually be good and not a fluke for me this is good

2024-05-31 15:29

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lol. if anything fluke runs will be even more valuable now. take na'vi for example, let's say hypothetically they bomb out of every other event of the year, now that they have won that 1 major the organization is guaranteed the rest of the year getting invited to other events up into the next major. Also there will be no "build a team", most teams will now stop building especially from the bottom up as it won't be worth the risk of dropping/losing ranking that swapping out more than a core 3 brings. what you will see is large orgs keeping 3 core players, even if they are stagnant/mediocre because of the valve ranking they retain, this also lowers opportunities for prospective pros as again orgs will only ever be open for swapping 2 out per break

2024-05-31 16:31

Trash idea

2024-05-31 15:23

Can't fix your own game and fight cheaters? Just remove open qualifier and penalize everyone playing legit... Spoilers, cheaters will see this as a victory, because now they know Valve can't do anything and they are safe, undetected, even against TOP teams, in others tournaments.

2024-05-31 15:25

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This is such a dumb comment ngl, there does not exist a single company that has been able to remove cheating fully. How will you combat radar cheats on a separate machine for example? Faceit or not every single open qual has used a form of kernel lvl anti cheat which the entire community is screaming for but cheating remains an issue. The anti cheat caused crashed and bad performance last qualifier, too. You are essentially asking for the impossible, which isnt out of the ordinary for cs fans but its getting tiring, either we accept that the most important tournament of the year with life changing money on the line will have people invest heavily in the newest cheats to try and make it at the cost of letting everyone play open quals or we remove both, cant have your cake and eat it too

2024-05-31 15:34

I can understand why some would be against this but im okay with the change, I really want RMRs to stay, though

2024-05-31 15:28

Seems like Valve wants to make the Major become a solid conclusion for the season. Although a story of random five fire into the final stage could be exciting, 99.99% scenes are boring (as in Paris Major). Chances to shine are still open for those unknown in other unofficial tournaments. W for now!

2024-05-31 15:35

Worst idea, an open qualifier is needed at least for EU and CIS. That kind of statement can lead to a boycott and kill the opportunity to bring CS to Asia. Perferct World decider are lazy people, they don't deserve to host such event that they don't know.

2024-05-31 15:42

LMAO

2024-05-31 15:48

Removal of OPEN QUALIFIER. That means even you prepare the best, you couldn't even earn a shot at the Major. Dream broken for many non-Org teams and players. Sad...That means you have to Grind up regional ranking between then and now... and your way up to earn a spot at CLOSED qualifier...GG.

2024-05-31 16:11

It's so over

2024-05-31 16:21

THIS IS PERFECT!!! now me (star player) + my silver elite friend (anchor) + smooya (awp)+ birdfromradarsky(igl)+s1mple(forever young and benched and goat) will have a chance to qualify and make billions out of STICKERS sold p.s. recruiting coach with camera bug

2024-05-31 16:27

Buuuuuuuuh the whole point of majors is all people Who play the game can make a team with 4 friends and try to get to the major.

2024-05-31 16:30

bad change lol

2024-05-31 16:31

the teams just need to stop matchfixing if they want to go up in the ranking

2024-05-31 16:34

shame u valve

2024-05-31 16:40

That's shameful, they probably did that because they could not identify or control the cheaters in opens. But with this, one thing is for sure now, Liquid is keeping the roster... or at least most of it.

2024-05-31 16:50

Bruh,wait until next year when there arent partnered teams. Then qualifiers for other tournaments is the open qualifier, and no flukes

2024-05-31 16:56

Why is everyone saying its because of cheaters? It looks like its more targeted at orgs who start teams to try and compete for qualifcation then drop the team when they fail to make it.

2024-05-31 17:17

i dont known why, valve has not removed Asia open qualifier? GG for hardworking and ordinary team in EU/SA/NA =.=

2024-05-31 17:36

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there is not enough ranking data for purely invited teams for asia, imagine having only invites for middle east qualifier, maybe 2 teams would have actual points and the rest would just be randomly assigned

2024-05-31 23:55

common volvo L

2024-05-31 17:56

Open qualifiers where one of the best parts of major cycle r.i.p ;(

2024-05-31 18:02

RIP, thats pretty shit decision from valve

2024-05-31 18:41

Well after all that complaining and crying from pro players. There you go Valve fixed the Open Qualifier problems! This also means you cant really afford to make big roster moves before the major otherwise you could be completely out. I think this proves Valve listen to the community, but their suggested fixes are usually completely different from what anyone suggests (usually). tho ofc they didnt remove the China open quali to hype up the major for the Chinese fans I guess.

2024-05-31 18:42

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they didnt remove chinese open qual because there arent enough teams to invite for a purely closed qualifier, otherwise some will be invited with basically no points

2024-05-31 23:54

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damn that makes too much sense. thanks for the reply.

2024-06-01 00:03

Well I guess Majors are going to be a lot more boring now.

2024-05-31 18:51

Common VALVe L

2024-05-31 19:15

only people of dubious character think this is a good idea, valve signed the statement that it does not know how to deal with the problem of cheaters in the game, and once again benefiting European organizations, I hope that the people involved realize that cs has only gotten to where it is thanks to the opportunity it has always given to those who come from the bottom with the dream of reaching the top

2024-05-31 19:22

I don't understand these changes at all. They all suck. No open qualifiers just seems like a money thing. It might be okay after 2025 if other tournaments start doing open qualifiers, but they haven't so far. Basically this next major is one big partner league. Moving all the RMRs to china sucks big time. Way worse travel for teams, way worse timezones for viewers. I'd say one or two unknown teams would probably have to back out, except there's no open qualifiers, so there will be no unknown teams WTF is up with the regional slots? Just assigned arbitrarily now? EU needs the advantage of all the legends slots? Is this designed to keep the regions in the current tier order permanently, or what?

2024-05-31 19:30

Okay so this major is a sham? Good I won't watch this shit, was already on the fence given the country they are hosting it in.

2024-05-31 19:34

BIG LOSS FOR CS CS IS ABOUT FREE COMPETITION, Major is now a common tournament, nothing special

2024-05-31 19:46

We knew this was coming when brazil got so many qualifying spots, they cant let brazil win that much, had to change the rules of the game

2024-05-31 19:57

open quals was some of what created the myth of the majors and made it fun and interesting. seeing minor teams going for their dreams was a part of the cs-dna. poof. thats gone unless you speak swahili. i wonder which horrible decision we will see next.

2024-05-31 20:13

WTF

2024-05-31 20:12

thats not CS shame

2024-05-31 20:50

Anti cheat manoeuvre but i aint like it that much Its low key fun watching top teams struggle against randoms or even cheaters play so we can laugh at people getting pressed over it :)

2024-05-31 21:15

clown ass bitches

2024-05-31 21:25

Sad

2024-05-31 22:16

Dont care what people say this is a good change

2024-05-31 23:52

Valve said in early 2024 everyone to have by 2025 open qualifiers to events and they themselves remove open qualifers ( irony in that) .

2024-06-01 00:37

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No, they said all tournaments will have invites based on rankings (which are based on how well you do in the open tournaments) OR open qualifiers. So they are doing exactly what they said they were going to do in August 2023. So the system is actually better, because only teams consistent through the season will get the invites to the major. No more fluke runs, no more 3 months teams, less cheaters. Another Valve W.

2024-06-01 10:22

kinda bs honestly

2024-06-01 11:15

Worst decision ever made

2024-06-01 17:04

bad decision

2024-06-02 23:17

Closing the Circuit in big 2024 LMAO

2024-06-03 08:36

valve is such a garbage company

2024-06-03 08:44

So instead of fixing the cheating problem they destroy one of the better aspects of the majors just so that they can show everybody that they dont have any cheaters anymore in major quals. How about you fix your cheating problem and stop trying to adjust everything to work without a fix.

2024-06-03 23:53

Damn, Valve just ain't it anymore. From S tier company to B tier.

2024-06-04 00:56

Can we make petition somewhere so Valve can quickly change their decision?

2024-06-04 20:12

I'm sure it is not just Valve being lazy, the big orgs were probably crying over this for awhile. Imagine their team is underperforming, they miss the closed qualifiers, and they get smacked in open qualifiers by some randoms having a good day. It's probably happened before. No longer! Sucks for all the previously pro players without a team that would have tried to make a run to the Major from open qualifiers. That was always fun to watch.

2024-06-05 05:56

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I loved too watch pros make comeback trough open qualifiers . They should make 32A 32B instead of 16 closed qualifier . More teams more fun too watch.

2024-06-07 07:34