de_mirage in DH Winter map pool

17-11-2010 11:33

The DreamHack organization has announced the winter edition's official map pool, in which de_mirage has been added.

With DreamHack Winter 2010 kicking off in one week, the organizers are in full swing, inviting teams and preparing for the world's largest LAN. Today's latest update is the tournament's map pool.

Perhaps a fresh breeze from the usual map pools, with de_mirage being added for the on-site qualifier and the group stage. The map is pretty much a remake of de_cpl_strike, with Bombsite B having been put under alteration.

"We have evaluated the current situation in CS 1.6 and in order to re-energize professional Counter-strike and also give the tournament a extra dimension the new map is needed", a DreamHack official is quoted.

Bombsite B - de_cpl_strike

Bombsite B - de_mirage

DreamHack Winter 2010 official map pool:

de_dust2
de_train
de_nuke
de_inferno
de_tuscan
de_mirage

The maps creator has published a walk-through on his YouTube channel, view the video below to see how it's like.

Feel like testing out the map for yourself? Head over to HLTV.org staff member Stefan "satanioN" Mørk's website to download it.

I would prefer piranesi instead of this cpl_strike remake

2010-11-17 11:36

31 replies

true

2010-11-17 11:45

yes, me too, I would really love to see piranesi on such a big event,

2010-11-17 11:51

2 replies

yes piranesi awesome map I want to see pro players surfing

2010-11-17 11:53

1 reply

haha, why not?? :D

2010-11-17 12:14

2010-11-17 12:21

What ever happened with de_hell? Shouldnt that have been a map that was supposed to become std. map?

2010-11-17 14:18

2 replies

Arbalet's tournaments!

2010-11-17 14:34

de_hell is srsly really terrible.

2010-11-17 22:25

Prefer DE_CBBLE n aztec(is boaring and big)but both are nice maps -_- !!

2010-11-17 15:30

4 replies

lol...imba CT maps...probably thats why they were eliminated long ago...mirage sounds good...

2010-11-17 17:37

1 reply

yeah most of official maps r ct friendly

2010-11-30 00:17

de_cbbl on big events again... yeah that would be cool ^^

2010-11-17 18:01

1 reply

i think dat aim usp must be i these big events

2010-11-30 00:12

love this, loved strike

2010-11-17 20:03

17 replies

ok nice to know you can post normally like everybody else

2010-11-17 21:29

16 replies

what about freespeech, u dick

2010-11-18 00:12

15 replies

you dickhead ppl reply to first when they have something important to say not stupid comments like "loved this" rofl you can post it normally like everybody else clever eh?

2010-11-18 01:15

14 replies

you feel important cuz u was first? :D and uh no..., u don't seem to be clever at all... youvv got urself demoted from dick to cunt buddy. uvv gotta quit ragin... ppl will think ur in urr period... :D

2010-11-18 03:21

13 replies

rofl first I'm second and second you talk like a douche maybe it's because you are trying to hide your sucky english. I said that if you want to say something as normal as the others why you reply to first or rather second post? like if anyone is interested in your "loooove this" comment lmao what an attention whore.

2010-11-18 12:25

12 replies

i dont want to reply as normal as the others, that would just make me a sheep, guess u are 1 :p and about that attention thing, i think ur rather a whore then me buddy, u comming in seconde with the "i would prefere piranessi" bullcrap, i just replyed to u that i think the remake of strike is fine, but i guess ur tiny brain doesnt get that far. who wants to play piranesi anyway...? and about my sucky english i bet i speak more languages than ur foreign ass... mister rofl this lmao that

2010-11-18 16:14

11 replies

2010-11-18 17:22

Of course you speak more foreign languages it's because your country doesn't even have its own language rofl. This is just pointless talking to a guy who can only use insults as arguments do you think that will hurt me or something? haha. Your comment was "loved this loved strike" what relation does it have with my comment? nice selfownage. And about the sheep line you got it all wrong, you are supposed to think yes think something you haven't done in your whole life. And btw I'm done here I paid more attention to you than your parents in a whole year.

2010-11-18 18:08

9 replies

ooooh russian retardness,I love it (no offense to other russians)

2010-11-18 18:31

1 reply

why am I a retard? is it because I just owned your country? hahahahaha how pitiful

2010-11-18 20:12

our country doesnt have its own language... oh no like we care... your country sucks harder then ours so go play tetris tard

2010-11-18 18:31

1 reply

typical response from a loser that just got owned how cute rofl at the go play tetris part

2010-11-18 20:15

ur observation skills are those of an orange, first, learn to "think" before you put a sentence together. guess something u are unable to do. maybe ur parents fault, but they can't be blamed,. i blame ur grandparrents, they were probably 2 busy suckings Stalins ass they gave ur parents no education nor attention, an u know that becomes a visious circle... 2 generations later you get like retards who are unable to think very far... for the record, the relationship my comment had with urs is that i rather like this map than piranesi, but guess ur 2 retarded to catch the red line here keep on talking nonsense... mister selfownage...

2010-11-18 18:58

4 replies

dont bother bro... i think he's retarded

2010-11-18 19:14

3 replies

guess so :)

2010-11-18 19:59

you sure someone can be more retarded than you?

2010-11-18 20:10

1 reply

100% ;p

2010-11-18 21:23

sux---

2010-11-17 11:36

FFFFUUUUUU

2010-11-17 11:38

1 reply

FUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

2010-11-17 14:58

Perfect!

2010-11-17 11:38

i thought de_marriage was written o_O

2010-11-17 11:38

10 replies

:DD

2010-11-17 11:40

lol :D

2010-11-17 12:01

hahahha :D

2010-11-17 15:26

2010-11-17 16:52

lol that's a great name for a dangerous map :D

2010-11-17 22:05

5 replies

Wouldn't it be than named es_marriage? ::)

2010-11-17 22:31

4 replies

More like cs_marriage with one hostage only :P

2010-11-17 22:35

3 replies

On mine that hostage at least could es(cape)_marriage on its own ;)

2010-11-17 22:37

2 replies

You cant es_(cape) marriage. When she wants to as_(sassinate) you, you have to cs_(counter strike) ;) Anyway it could be a deathrun map too xD

2010-11-17 22:41

1 reply

LOL@play on words

2010-11-18 01:39

new maps always suck just like:de_tuscan :( a sucky map

2010-11-17 11:40

16 replies

but now, all love tuscan <3 i think tuscan is best map :P yes and with this until then we have to get used to easy :p

2010-11-17 11:43

11 replies

2010-11-17 11:45

2010-11-17 11:48

in Sweden, tuscan is played a lot?

2010-11-17 11:48

8 replies

in scandinavia en general i think :)... <3 tuscan

2010-11-17 11:51

yep, we play so much tuscan, sometimes is 1st map where we play minitours

2010-11-17 12:06

6 replies

:D we chinese play tuscan rarely :((((

2010-11-17 12:09

5 replies

huh :((( with time will come here the same thing .! but we want to see back de_aztec & de_cbble or cs_office & cs_assault :PPPPPP

2010-11-17 12:29

3 replies

2010-11-17 13:37

de_aztec <33

2010-11-17 15:11

Sometimes we Swedes actually plays assault :)

2010-11-17 15:41

you play always de_inferno just like your friends wemade?

2010-11-17 19:06

Tuscan is not a new map but just a remake of cpl mill

2010-11-17 13:23

2 replies

this is also a remake

2010-11-17 18:03

1 reply

I didnt say it wasnt, i was just answering to the other one up there

2010-11-17 20:44

this map is pretty old, seeing it is just cpl_strike with a different B bombsite, so for old teams such as fnatic it should be easy to put some tactics on paper!

2010-11-17 14:36

Cool! :D

2010-11-17 11:38

invite EG

2010-11-17 11:39

34 replies

Why? They seem to prefer watching the stream instead of playing. :)

2010-11-17 12:35

33 replies

LOL nice one

2010-11-17 12:58

LOL they're multitasking <(^.^)>

2010-11-17 13:00

hhahahaha +100000

2010-11-17 13:08

EG pwned by megz

2010-11-17 13:28

5 replies

2010-11-17 14:15

2010-11-17 15:09

2010-11-17 15:42

+4 O_O

2010-11-17 16:07

1 reply

+6 ooops

2010-11-17 21:03

lol

2010-11-17 13:30

hahaha nice! :)

2010-11-17 13:38

Comment of the month!

2010-11-17 14:16

hahahaha n1

2010-11-17 14:22

lol

2010-11-17 14:43

HAHAHAH N1

2010-11-17 15:02

Awesome comment dude. Hate eg.

2010-11-17 15:41

2 replies

Thought I might get some swedish comments :D:D:

2010-11-17 15:44

1 reply

Hahaha of course.

2010-11-17 17:04

U made me laught...

2010-11-17 15:42

Haha +1. :D

2010-11-17 15:59

lol ... @ u and #141

2010-11-17 17:15

-10000000

2010-11-17 17:27

3 replies

umad? :P

2010-11-17 18:12

2 replies

so mad i could kill someone ;o

2010-11-17 18:37

1 reply

2010-11-18 15:44

I have no clue what's so funny ppl are overreacting here

2010-11-17 18:28

4 replies

maybe you are clueless ;)

2010-11-17 19:08

2 replies

I think they are just hating frod for what he did to fnatic and laughing thinking that might hurt him or something

2010-11-17 19:10

1 reply

They are laughing thinking the comment was funny and wellplaced concidering what happend....

2010-11-17 19:35

don't be jealous ;)

2010-11-20 21:36

u pist nerd?

2010-11-17 21:12

1 reply

not really, i dont care :D

2010-11-17 22:03

Hehehe nice one :D

2010-11-18 22:28

bad boring map just when they decide to add a new map they choose this? they should let the community choose

2010-11-17 11:40

1 reply

2010-11-17 11:41

sux

2010-11-17 11:43

"veto de_mirage"

2010-11-17 11:44

6 replies

true... who cares seriously, they could have added aim_ak_colt since anyway everyone's gonna veto it the only problem is that now the second team to veto will be forced to use it for de_mirage and therefore won't be able to really veto their worst map

2010-11-17 12:23

5 replies

They don't have to veto it if they think the opponents are even worse on it ;) But otherwise i agree. Time will tell if every team will veto it though, we might be surprised :)

2010-11-17 13:55

4 replies

well how could they know, most teams have never played on it. Imagine for example the communication on a map for which you don't know how the call the places

2010-11-17 14:36

3 replies

True, true. Some teams might fancy their chances anyway though, maybe some of the lesser good teams.

2010-11-17 14:39

2 replies

yes idd, I'm pretty sure that if we see this map it will be either because the last team to veto knew they can win easily skillwise or cuz it could never ever win on the 5 other maps, so we should see it in the most imbalanced matches you have a reply in #222 btw ;)

2010-11-17 17:10

1 reply

Heh, thanks, and i agree again ;)

2010-11-17 19:46

sux? this is nice only dd2 infernoi nuke? NICE GO :D:D:D:

2010-11-17 11:45

lool... isn't it a bit late for that? No team is prepared to play on it and btw that map sucks there are much better old maps

2010-11-17 11:46

1 reply

agree, really late to announce it :o

2010-11-17 12:01

I don't really like the b-site rework on first look but a new map to the pool is by all means welcome.... But how do you know what is best unless you try? So good move....lets see how it goes.

2010-11-17 11:46

3 replies

Couldn't agree more, although just one week in advance seems ridicolous :/

2010-11-17 13:58

2 replies

But at the same time it will show us which teams are best at adapting quickly! :) IGLs will have a major role to play on this map..lets see what crazy tactics they make in one week time..sounds exciting to me :P

2010-11-17 14:04

1 reply

Aye, actually does, hehe :) Hope we're gonna see some teams choosing it :)

2010-11-17 14:13

I would see rather de_hell on Dreamhack than this one.

2010-11-17 11:47

2 replies

dude de_hell isn't a map it's a joke

2010-11-17 11:48

1 reply

+1 it's like de_gold , quake 3 arena map :D

2010-11-17 13:39

Awesome ! But like should said, I think a community vote would be better. More news maps plz ! New map = new challenge = new strategy etc ...

2010-11-17 11:49

2 replies

2010-11-17 11:49

good map , better than de_hell and de_gold anyway

2010-11-17 13:43

like arbalet have de_hell dreamhack have de_mirage lawl'

2010-11-17 11:49

change cs_italy_21 to de_italy_21

2010-11-17 11:49

nice, but too late, just 1 week before the event....

2010-11-17 11:50

1 reply

wannabe changes colt!!

2010-11-17 11:51

nice map de_mirage defnitly better then tuscan

2010-11-17 11:51

the maker of de_mirage copied de_cpl_strike ? im wondering

2010-11-17 11:51

4 replies

as i know de_cpl_strike is also his work and he just improved it

2010-11-17 12:06

3 replies

2010-11-17 12:08

2 replies

Aye, it's a remake :)

2010-11-17 13:59

1 reply

because of that "CPL" thing in name :-)

2010-11-17 14:37

lmao all teams now have 1 week to prepare, and younger teams have probably never played in cpl_strike so...

2010-11-17 11:52

4 replies

"younger teams have probably never played in cpl_strike" everybody has played cpl_strike m8

2010-11-17 12:04

3 replies

dude, do you saw the B site? it's totally different, they won't get used in 1 week :/

2010-11-17 13:22

2 replies

I downloaded the map and checked it out, teams can get used to it easily in a few days, 95% of cpl_strike tactics will still apply

2010-11-17 16:09

1 reply

In brazil, for example, there has never been a tournament using cpl_strike. People play it 4fun sometimes, on esea I believe I played cpl_strike twice total...

2010-11-17 19:10

nice maps

2010-11-17 11:54

A low quality map visually with textures from the original HL game. And the brush work done on the map is really poor - zZzZ.

2010-11-17 11:55

Let's get some hostage/rescue action! I vote assault, probably died in that vent a couple of thousand times now.

2010-11-17 11:55

3 replies

+1 !!!!!!!!

2010-11-17 12:01

Lol, so true... Good times

2010-11-17 13:18

Haha yeah. So thin walls :>

2010-11-18 22:56

The maps got really depressing textures , and looks like just another map , nothing much special about it. Would love to watch a new cs_italy map :D

2010-11-17 11:59

new maps will be more interesting, tired of the old maps ppl always play

2010-11-17 11:59

was the "creator" lazy or what??... its just the same map, same texturs... only dirrernts is 1 box and a little change with b site..... at least change the texturs

2010-11-17 12:01

1 reply

2010-11-17 12:04

Strike > Mirage

2010-11-17 12:04

de_lite_rc2 better for me :)

2010-11-17 12:05

shitty maps. I prefer de_aztec & de_prodigy

2010-11-17 12:06

1 reply

2010-11-17 12:07

About fucking time something like this happens, Random-Strike needs to change it up! Starcraft 2 is just miles ahead in everything.

2010-11-17 12:12

1 reply

Don't even start comparing valve to blizzard, they fall short in every way possible. Valve took a shit on every cs1.6 player and flushed the toilet.

2010-11-17 12:21

looks pretty good tbh, cpl_strike has always been by far the best non-used competitive map outside of the main 4-5, so glad to see it being used in comps now, even though its been altered

2010-11-17 12:13

woow, i like it

2010-11-17 12:16

94% cpl_strike 06% de_mirage

2010-11-17 12:16

1 reply

lmao haha :DDDDDDDDD

2010-11-17 12:22

de_aztec..

2010-11-17 12:17

2 replies

seriously aztec? the map where cts would prolly win 15 0 these days... it would be target practice for markeloff and similar players There are 2 ways to get from T "base" to A or B site. In 1 of those ways (water) all five CTs have a chance to shoot you down. So unless you have a great rush spawn and perform those rushes perfectly you are doomed. aztec is good for 2v2 3v3 but not more...

2010-11-17 12:31

1 reply

uvik seres....

2010-11-17 14:24

wtffffffffff

2010-11-17 12:17

i dont like.... de_aztec, de_piranesi , de_prodigy , de_survivor :D why dont play this maps?! ;D

2010-11-17 12:22

Why always "de_...." maps???? Some maps as "cs_...." and "as_...." could be great in tournaments of CS...The teams would be forced to make new strategies, that would be much more interesting than plant,defuse, plant,defuse, plant,defuse, plant,defuse for ever...... PD:sorry bad english :), google translator ftw XDDD

2010-11-17 12:24

14 replies

as_oilrig ftw!

2010-11-17 12:27

1 reply

Yep XD, and as_tundra too

2010-11-17 12:29

lmao. it isnt fair on both sides on cs and as maps.

2010-11-17 12:28

7 replies

on all the maps one of the two teams is always a bit of an advantage ... does not matter whether or cs_ as_ or de_ or whatever...

2010-11-17 12:34

6 replies

You seem to not have a clue about balance... since "as" and "cs" maps are obviously crap cos you will have 5 players guarding one point. Whoever is defending has an advantage right? That's why CTs are able to defend 2 bomb sites. "as" maps have 1 escape point there is no way you would get the VIP through 5 defending Ts. If you make maps with 2 escape points then the imbalance is on the other side since the player defending the "other" escape point won't be able to rotate in time. It's not like when the bomb is planted and they have time to defuse. "cs" maps have 1 "target" and you have 5 players defending it, but not only do you have to secure the "target" you must run back to your spawn with hostages if a T is alive somewhere.

2010-11-17 12:49

4 replies

there are as maps with 2 escape points and cs maps with hostages not being on the same place

2010-11-17 12:53

3 replies

Already explained why "as" with 2 escape points wouldn't work... But a "cs" map with hostages placed like bombsites would work as long as you can reach CT base (or wherever you bring the hostages) at the same time from both "sites" so the Ts on the other "site" can intercept the CTs.

2010-11-17 12:59

2 replies

and just have one player shoot all the hostages and then the CT has to hunt down the Ts :)

2010-11-17 14:15

1 reply

Well it would be viable if people didn't/couldn't kill hostages. Don't get me wrong I'm just stating what would be required for "cs" maps to work. I don't support the idea of actually using them. "de" maps are the best, as T you transfer from attack to defense by planting, as CT you defend the site and prepare a retake after the plant. Best tactical test there is. ;)

2010-11-17 20:22

tomaton read what spezz wrote

2010-11-17 13:24

cs maps are random cuz the hostage AI is lower than Sarah Palin.

2010-11-17 12:32

3 replies

lol you are on fire today :D

2010-11-17 15:05

1 reply

haha thx :b

2010-11-17 15:30

hehehe, nice one!

2010-11-27 19:22

Just looks like strike. lolz.

2010-11-17 12:27

1 reply

That's the point.

2010-11-17 14:28

where is assault ?????????????????????

2010-11-17 12:27

What the ugly map... Why they didn't add de_aztec and/or de_cbble? Would be very beautiful to see again those maps :D

2010-11-17 12:28

5 replies

de_cbble is a rly great idea!

2010-11-17 12:32

2 replies

2010-11-17 13:37

another practice for markeloff :D

2010-11-17 15:05

cbble and aztec are the most shittiest maps ever, sorry

2010-11-17 15:35

1 reply

for you :) JUST FOR YOU

2010-11-17 16:22

Hmm my only problem with these maps are that they are too detailed, and too big. makes it kinda random with so many hiding places. However, i agree that we need some more maps. But whats essential is to keep em simple. However, i will be looking forward to see these maps beeing played.

2010-11-17 12:31

1 reply

2010-11-17 14:05

thank you DH :), go de_aztec =)

2010-11-17 12:32

fnatic>NaVi on the de_mirage true story broR

2010-11-17 12:32

sucks... will be alot of random results

2010-11-17 12:33

man i love that song, reminds me of red alert

2010-11-17 12:33

1 reply

+1, old Hell March from Frank Klepacki owns.

2010-11-17 22:14

Comeback cbble!

2010-11-17 12:34

sux haha

2010-11-17 12:34

awful

2010-11-17 12:39

OMG

2010-11-17 12:46

fy_pool_day go go go

2010-11-17 12:46

GREAT, GJ DH!

2010-11-17 12:46

FUUUUUUUUUUU

2010-11-17 12:48

de_concrete was a cool map!

2010-11-17 12:48

2 replies

yeah, what happend with that one?

2010-11-17 15:56

1 reply

home.no/klobby2002/de_concrete-update.zi.. xD made by catche, used 2 be on norwegian public servers few years ago, imba map!

2010-11-17 16:50

SURF_SKI_2

2010-11-17 12:51

No need for a new map omg...

2010-11-17 12:51

Cbble would have been awesome. Would be great to see somekind of mini tournament with oldschool maps beside the original tournament.

2010-11-17 12:54

8 replies

there already was one where Sk played against mtw in a bo3 with dust aztec and prodigy

2010-11-17 12:55

1 reply

it was not a tournament, just a showmatch

2010-11-17 13:10

cbble might be oldschool, but theres a reason why its not in the pool anymore. Such a CT favored map should simply not be included in the pool.

2010-11-17 13:15

5 replies

Yeah i know.. Thats why i said that it would be great to see somekind of "show" tournament with these old maps. With few teams and little cash prize it would be fun to watch.

2010-11-17 13:32

As far as I can remember, that's why they made de_forge... but it never really got into any big tournaments :/ or am I wrong?

2010-11-17 14:29

More CT favored than Train? Not that big a difference in my opinion.

2010-11-17 14:29

2 replies

Thats your opinion, but I think most would agree that cbble is 100% CT favored. About train, I think we these days see a lot of teams score more T rounds than back in the days, therefor its not so CT sided anymore.

2010-11-17 14:37

The difference between train and cbble (aztec same thing) is the openness. The thing in CS that stays constant no matter the map size is the range you can throw FLASHBANGs at and the range they are effective at (the further away you are from a flashbang the lesser its effect). On cbble (and similar on aztec) your flashes, even if you do surprise your opponent, often fall too far from their position hence making them last a very short amount of time. While on train you have a lot of angles once you get out and with a few good smokes and flashes you can take the map. That's why experianced teams with good strats and timing often have no problems in taking 6 or even up to 9 rounds on de_train. It's still often hard cos you have to check a lot of angles as well. But your chances get better once you manage to pass the chokepoints unhinged.

2010-11-17 15:55

Nicee :)

2010-11-17 12:56

n1 map

2010-11-17 12:58

awp_india=D snipers battle o_0

2010-11-17 12:59

2 replies

hahaha bo3: fy_pool_day awp_india surf_ski_2

2010-11-17 13:02

Na'Vi will win every match on awp india with markeloff&starix =)

2010-11-17 13:13

omg amazing hahahah

2010-11-17 13:01

yeah! Its cool! cpl_strike comeback!

2010-11-17 13:03

=D n1 public style 10x10 sk/mtw VS. FX/fnatic

2010-11-17 13:04

i like it

2010-11-17 13:06

nice!

2010-11-17 13:07

This is fucking awesome. CS is getting so god damn old and boring. Who can honestly be against new maps in tournament map pools? And I can safely say every pro and semipro team have played this map in a few tournaments before (cpl_strike) and the improvement on B-site is so good. I hope DH make teams not able to veto it, this will make the tournament not only about skill, luck and tactics, but about improvisement and creativity! +1 and <3 DreamHack for doing this, it's great for CS as an eSport! EDIT: and by the way it's one of the most balanced maps ever made, you wont see scores like 12-3, 0-13 (train) :p

2010-11-17 13:09

1 reply

just to reply your big comment^^

2010-11-17 18:52

de_azetic should b back instead of this sticky thing...

2010-11-17 13:09

someone can send me the link to downlaod de_engage and de_mirage? ty

2010-11-17 13:13

1 reply

no move your lazy ass it'll take you 1min

2010-11-17 13:14

Yes yes yes! Been waiting for this since CPL Winter 2004 :D

2010-11-17 13:14

de_hell , de_piratebay , de_mirage.. stop this shit,no one will play on these maps

2010-11-17 13:15

1 reply

pirabay? will be an official map?

2010-11-17 13:39

ROFL de_engage, huge map... pointless.

2010-11-17 13:16

1 reply

its just de_mirage-.-

2010-11-17 13:24

i want to see dust3

2010-11-17 13:20

1 reply

ahah xD

2010-11-17 13:41

cpl_strike is good map.

2010-11-17 13:20

de_forge would have been better imo

2010-11-17 13:22

3 replies

forge is bugged. T's are on site before ct :P

2010-11-17 13:25

2 replies

well, they could fix that and it can be a good map

2010-11-17 13:27

1 reply

True :)

2010-11-17 13:48

they should bring back CPL_fire, great map... and cpl_strike is great, for sure not worst than tuscan :P

2010-11-17 13:22

i prefer a map like de_cbble or de_prodigy de_vertigo is also a wery good map :D

2010-11-17 13:24

GJ dreamhack :)

2010-11-17 13:24

de_storm is a fkn great, but unused map ;/

2010-11-17 13:28

perfect ! ! ! !!

2010-11-17 13:32

this map only in BYOC and group stage ?

2010-11-17 13:32

I don't know why do you think that some result on this map will be a RANDOM RESULT :) In many cases the main reason for some team being better on some map is preffering the map, playing a lot of time together etc... Here it will be shown who has the ability to think of something new in a just 7 days. It will be very interesting, in my opinion. And 2nd of all, the map is very playable 5v5... There is like 4 passages to be covered, there is a boostspot, a lot of different playstyles can work here :) I think it will be fun :)

2010-11-17 13:35

1 reply

+1000000000000000

2010-11-17 13:48

why not de_hell its better than this shit :D

2010-11-17 13:37

2 replies

no, hell it's not better

2010-11-17 13:41

1 reply

In my opinion it is :)

2010-11-17 15:10

cbble / aztec / prodigy

2010-11-17 13:41

some ppl says that engage and mirage, hell are worst maps, i think that maps cant be 5 stars but see profissional teams playing other maps is nice we only see dust2 nuke tuscan . . . should be nice see cbble back :)

2010-11-17 13:45

de russka is amazing. i wanna really happy if some leagues add hes to the mappool

2010-11-17 13:47

As much as I love hell march, I don't think it will make me want to play de_mirage. Good fix on strike though.

2010-11-17 13:47

1 reply

- de_engage I mean.

2010-11-17 15:19

cbble/surf_ski_2 imo

2010-11-17 13:49

3 replies

If I'm not mistaken The Gathering is the worlds largest lan, atleast i think so. And Dreamhack is the largest computer festival.

2010-11-18 23:22

2 replies

Well, The Gathering like to call themselves a computer party, which they really are. DreamHack I'd say is both, but holds the title as the world's biggest LAN and computer party.

2010-11-19 08:12

1 reply

Alrighty. Just something I've heard from friends, thought i would share it.

2010-11-19 15:31

de_mirage = cpl_strike :D

2010-11-17 13:50

PFFF? unexpected !! so fking stupid maps!! WTF DSDSDADJSHDJA 1) de_mirage what a HEll IT's just de_cpl_strike.. hey that guy just changed one bomb side "OKEI HERE IS MY NEW MAP!" -respect fffffuuuuuu de_cpl_strike one of the stupid maps ever its so DISBALANCED!!!!!!!! this Stefan "satanioN" Mørk has never played CS i am quite sure. Worst thing ever!!#!#@ 2) de_engage! first impression LAUGHT!!#! Its seems like one of the Half-Life game parts with electronic monsters and army guys sitting in corners PLZ this map is very big, stupid, boring, ugly! It's map for Half-Life game with fast movements etc not for CS. omg plz never create maps like that don't make me mad of stupidity GRRRRRRRRRR >:{

2010-11-17 13:51

5 replies

Great misconception right there. 1) The person that did the "remake" of this maps is the original creator. 2)SatanioN is not the creator ,but it's the creator of satanion.dk/cs/ which is a great CS site were you can find maps, configs, programs, movies, scripts etc and he is also a news writer for HLTV doing the monthly team recap's.

2010-11-17 13:58

3 replies

1) than this guy lost his talent or he need some money(cpl_strike poor map anyway) 2) creating CS sites and maps are different thing

2010-11-17 14:03

2 replies

1) The "remake" (The maps only got minor changes) has been available for months, innovation is needed, having new maps is always good, you should check old CPL games demos and see for yourself. 2) DISBALANCED!!!!!!!! this Stefan "satanioN" Mørk has never played CS i am quite sure. Worst thing ever!!#!#@ Like i said before, the reason why satanatioN name was posted is because the maps are available for download in his website. He didn't made the maps. Feel like testing out the map for yourself? Head over to HLTV.org staff member Stefan "satanioN" Mørk's website to download it.

2010-11-17 14:12

As Schypher pointed out, satatnioN did not make this map... I linked it so you could download it and test it out, from his website. Not much has been changed from de_cpl_strike, mostly bombsite b, but the real reason is because the DreamHack tournaments cannot use a cpl map.

2010-11-19 08:16

facepalm

2010-11-17 15:09

Great move. Like i said before, DreamHack will be the best Counter-Strike tournament this year, excellent teams and a "new" map.

2010-11-17 13:51

another crappy remake of a crappy map, nice.

2010-11-17 13:56

#156 i underwrite it with my both hands

2010-11-17 13:57

1 reply

If you use the 'Reply' button the user will/would know you replied to him/her.

2010-11-17 13:59

I think its a kind of better, then the old map.

2010-11-17 13:57

bad

2010-11-17 14:03

cs_bloodstrike would be perfect just disallow grenades & flashes & everything will be fine

2010-11-17 14:04

lol :D

2010-11-17 14:10

This is an excellent idea from dreamhack to do, that's a defentivt a plus for that, BUT! I can see the tournament with most of the teams "90%" or something will VETO this one, or even more 100%? I don't know.. And I cannot really get, why would we want a "remake" of cpl strike when de_hell was a much better idea then this one.. But I still like the idea but still have some disagrement on this one... I hope we will see at lesat ONE match on dreamhack with this one in it =) (hope it will be us, haha) I remember when tuscan came out, noone was playing it. But you can see now that most of the teams are willing to play it. That map is getting more and more attention, which is really good! But I can't get why DreamHack want to add a map 8 days before a tournament start. Still I would rather add a map like de_hell, like I pointed out up there instead of this one. But but.. Let's see who will be willing to play it or not. :)

2010-11-17 14:20

4 replies

If you say so! :) I will check you how to play on it! :)

2010-11-17 14:14

It would be nice if at least de_mirage was one of the maps, that had to be played in the final.

2010-11-17 14:15

ur right... at least i am just happy to see professional teams playing on ANY OTHER map as the usual five :) but i guess teams will not prepare to much for this map

2010-11-17 14:17

It will be interesting, because teams will have to either VETO their weakest map, or this random map they might not know for sure

2010-11-17 17:46

crap :(

2010-11-17 14:11

2010-11-17 14:12

IT WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA... That is what I think.. but.. who knows

2010-11-17 14:12

tuscan is the only good new map out there strike is OKAY for pugs etc. but it needs re-working to be viable for standard wars also the rest are turd

2010-11-17 14:13

hot topic :*)

2010-11-17 14:15

de_inferno de_dust2 de_nuke de_train de_tuscan de_forge de_mirage If these maps are played every tournament would be great !

2010-11-17 14:17

1 reply

I would remove tuscan and wait for a cpl_mill real remake.

2010-11-17 14:22

they should take ESEA map (de_lite) its pretty awesome map

2010-11-17 14:20

STUPID MAP NAMES! but i like b site

2010-11-17 14:20

de_cbble and de_cpl_mill instead of turscan is better

2010-11-17 14:23

LoL here people normally ignore tuscan .. and in some backward cafe .. they ignore TRAIN too... and now whuz interested in learnin 1 more map :|

2010-11-17 14:23

Trololo....

2010-11-17 14:25

ROFL de_cbble is batter than this shit

2010-11-17 14:26

tuscan is played alot in norway :D

2010-11-17 14:27

de_russka

2010-11-17 14:30

nice,this is same de_cpl_strike with icons for 2 bomb sides and got some diffrent walls and etc.,but good idea which make game so funny with this new map ;)

2010-11-17 14:32

scoutknivez

2010-11-17 14:34

3 replies

lol +1

2010-11-17 14:53

2010-11-17 16:44

+1000000

2010-11-17 18:36

Well, another option is that anyteam won't veto de_mirage at all. But just will do the same as the map isn't there, because veto your worst map OR your opponent best map (except de_mirage ofc) is actually a big move in a bo3 game. But the fact is now there are 6 maps. Before that was 5 maps so that was simple : veto map1, veto map2, pick map3, pick map4. map5 deciding map. So what's it gonna be for the final bracket (bo3) about the deciding map ? > veto map1, veto map2, pick map3, pick map4 then coin flip for map5? (de_mirage and de_any if teams decide to privilege the veto of their worst -played- map) The answer may be the way to know if de_mirage is going to be veto everytime or not. [EDIT] was replying to #167 sry

2010-11-17 14:47

4 replies

It's only played in BYOC qual and groupstage, so there wont be any bo3 matches with mirage included

2010-11-17 16:46

1 reply

what he said is still valid in a bo1 only the map which has not been picked not vetoed is played, in this case there will be 2 maps left in the pool..

2010-11-17 17:09

Aye, that's right, was looking for further rules as well but only found the "Full rulebook, including rules regarding map choice in playoffs, will be release in a few days. Groups will be released as soon as all pre-qualifiers is played.", so guess we'll have to wait and see :)

2010-11-17 19:50

an option would be using the old system, throw a coin to see which of the two maps is played :p

2010-11-18 01:18

de_engage looks sweet :>

2010-11-17 14:47

I Prefer de_enage. de_mirage is a offense to the original de_cpl_strike.

2010-11-17 14:57

map strike is v2.0 FAIL and next map is Its too complicated. = de_contra :S

2010-11-17 15:01

lol, I hate new maps.. :(

2010-11-17 15:01

1 reply

same here :/

2010-11-17 23:52

de_storm

2010-11-17 15:11

Ive always liked the idea to bring new maps to CS. Strike was a good enough map which got played a lot during the cpl times. I dont really get the "new" strike(mirage), but its just a good thing that its here! I think De_hell, mirage, russka, lite, fire and forge should be taken back to the map cycles. The teams are getting WAY too confident in the tactics on certain maps. Of course somebody could remake de_cpl_fire, cos it had flaws, but it has good things also. just the tunnels leading to the ct spawn bombsite are a bit messy in my opinion. EVEN IF I HAVENT EVEN PLAYED HELL AND RUSSKA... I still think new maps would make the matches more interesting. Getting bored of the old.

2010-11-17 15:11

FUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

2010-11-17 15:20

map punked

2010-11-17 15:25

Do not understand why people do not like the map, seriously it is nice and it is good that they are going with a "new" map because CS needs that.

2010-11-17 15:26

de_mirage :D only b plant is remake but map is like de_cpl_strike

2010-11-17 15:29

music +!

2010-11-17 15:30

miss de_cbble in tournaments :)

2010-11-17 15:32

+de_ccble = )

2010-11-17 15:32

yeah cool!

2010-11-17 15:33

de_hell :LpP0=pp0p0

2010-11-17 15:35

wtf DreamHack ? come on... it's way too late for such an announcement, it's gonna piss a lot of teams off. plus I don't really see it as an interesting map :/

2010-11-17 15:35

A sixth map will screw up the veto system... or this event will be on bo1 with no veto, but seriously... change all the system just for a map that nobody wants to play ? 5 maps is the only way to have a tournament in bo3 with veto's thing... or maybe switch into a bo5 ? But this is not a good idea imo... like atlaNtis just said, coin toss to decide the third map ? bo3 is way better than bo1, and to do a good bo3, 5 maps is needed, not more !

2010-11-17 15:37

de_russka ?

2010-11-17 15:39

-1 for inappropriate use of the Hell march music.

2010-11-17 15:43

add de_westwood :D

2010-11-17 15:44

de_mirage? i'd rather cpl_strike thanks... no surprise you copied the song from red alert too. i wish people actually produced awesome maps from scratch.

2010-11-17 15:45

this map only in BYOC and group stage ??

2010-11-17 15:47

1 reply

Yeah.

2010-11-17 15:56

SUPRISE

2010-11-17 15:50

aNy link to download this map "de_mirage" ? :$ am getting some sort of error, if am trying to download this map from dreamheck.se :$ :$ :$

2010-11-17 15:55

1 reply

Try reading the post.

2010-11-17 16:09

nice map

2010-11-17 15:56

Nice, it's important to maintain the general interest with actions like this. Tuscan wasn't a disappointment either even though it didn't get much positive feedback at start..

2010-11-17 16:03

why no add de_lite_rc2 or the new arbalet map..

2010-11-17 16:05

lol

2010-11-17 16:05

Every teams will veto this map ^^'

2010-11-17 16:08

this map like Armin van Buuren's album 'Mirage'

2010-11-17 16:11

such a nice map .. :)

2010-11-17 16:16

why no de_hell? :|

2010-11-17 16:18

Next ESWC and WCG should add de_forge, de_hell and kick de_dust2 :)

2010-11-17 16:28

1 reply

lol...its just like adding a new player to fnatic side and kicking f0rest for the change :o :O :D

2010-11-17 17:39

de_veto gl dreamhack , i see some comments, suddenly tuscan is popular map? LOL maybe in sweden, rest of world, no

2010-11-17 16:32

3 replies

Its being played in most major European Leagues imo.

2010-11-17 16:39

2 replies

played yes, but popular? that is what i ask

2010-11-17 16:46

1 reply

Just because southern american teams don't play tuscan doesn't mean that it isn't popular, It's played inn inhouses & every bloody tournament inn EUROPE. :D Great map!

2010-11-17 16:58

stupid , cpl strike is a stupid map , aztec..(again)

2010-11-17 16:35

i forgot cbble..

2010-11-17 16:38

I tried to watch the video, then got all nostalgic when I heard the RA2 music haha :D

2010-11-17 16:42

let me see if i got this straight: this guy changes almost nothing in the map, changes the name and it is featured in DH? seriusly? is this a joke? wouldn't be easier to "buy" the map to the CPL or using another map like de_cbble, de_forge, de_ruska, etc? no flaming, but this is just stupid.

2010-11-17 16:56

8 replies

changed b site a bit

2010-11-17 16:58

7 replies

yeah, thats why i said "changes almost nothing in the map" lol

2010-11-17 17:00

6 replies

First of all, this map has been out for a couple of weeks. Did you ever have the thought that they HAD to change a few things on the map to make it legal to use it in a different event than the CPL/CAL?

2010-11-17 17:51

5 replies

thats why i said "wouldn't be easier to "buy" the map to the CPL?"

2010-11-17 18:01

4 replies

Apparently not, considering that the remake was made by the orignial mapper itself.

2010-11-17 18:19

3 replies

they would still need to "buy" rights to the CPL since the map was made for them.

2010-11-17 18:22

2 replies

Well not if he made some changes, like they did with tuscan. See what Im gettin at?

2010-11-17 19:28

1 reply

they changed 5% of de_tuscan? oh, ok.

2010-11-17 19:49

Very large bombsites. These are not good maps

2010-11-17 17:14

have to say, i expected some bigger changes in the map than this....

2010-11-17 17:19

I loled when they started showing mirage in that video. The first bombsite is exactly like cpl_strike, nothing new.

2010-11-17 17:24

2 replies

Almost... they have changed 2 stupid things on the map to make it better...but is almost the same...so everybody who knows cpl_strike knows this map :)...the thing is that CPL have copyrights on their maps so thats why they have made a improved copy :).

2010-11-17 18:34

1 reply

ok o_O

2010-11-17 18:38

Ok come on guys just make a mix of dust2 inferno train and nuke like a de_dufertrake2010 and all of us will be happy ! hope to see some crazy tactics of mtw there !

2010-11-17 17:30

1 reply

lolllZZZzzzzz....

2010-11-17 17:43

add de_hell ...

2010-11-17 17:35

VERY NICE! cs was getting boring..

2010-11-17 17:45

old school map :X

2010-11-17 17:48

de_survivor should be the best one, I mean, doing a map of snow

2010-11-17 17:55

I love the fact, that there will be new (remaked) map on event like Dreamhack. I hope that teams will actully play this map, it's good imo. Like one guy said, de_tuscan wasn't popular map, but now it is one of most played maps. About fact, that Dreamhack give this news about map 7 days before tournament is good and bad. Good thing is, that we will see if teams can do good tactics in just 7 days, imagination of IGL's will be showed. But maybe 1 week isn't enough, so teams will probably veto this map. Imo about adding this map instead of de_cbble, de_hell and other maps is this; de_cbble is ct map, easy to defend sites, and de_hell is worst map i've ever seen (sorry mapper). Most of teams did already seen/played this map before at original name, so I think that we can be actully suprised, how much matches will be played on this map. I only have 1 question... How will they choose 3rd map? Have fun, and I hope that everybody will be suprised about matches played on this map at Dreamhack

2010-11-17 17:59

1 reply

3rd map choosing: i read that this map will only be used for group stage and BYOC-turney so if im right: some top teams HAVE REALLY to play this map?! oh man thats gonna be very funny. now low-teams have the chance to make some damage vs. world top teams. quite interesting but i will not be wondering if DH organization says that if both teams agree the map will be changed.. we will see lets hope the best

2010-11-18 15:16

all people want de_aztec and de_cbble oldtimes we miss it [:

2010-11-17 18:01

Its not to late...really fun to see this!...all teams should be able to adapt to this map in a week and most of them can cpl_strike. Its going to be very intresting to see...but i dont know how the tournament will work... if you can choose maps and stuff we might not see this map be played at all.

2010-11-17 18:08

My fav map cs_town :D

2010-11-17 18:13

hehe, nice...

2010-11-17 18:13

omg :P

2010-11-17 18:15

:O OmG65756t57

2010-11-17 18:30

de_aztec et de_cbble are so bad in terro worst of train, de_forge can be good, or prodigy in officiel maps from CS. de_mirage is horrible.

2010-11-17 18:30

1 reply

why is the mirage horrible? :) in what way?

2010-11-17 18:33

Nice to see them trying new maps. The idea's in the right place. Wanna see an edited aztec though. Russka wouldn't have been too bad either

2010-11-17 18:32

gief us back aztec !

2010-11-17 18:35

I don't get it seriously why do they all do that ? If they really want to create a new map and make it popular they should have announced it at least 1 - 2 months ago besides what's the point if it's ONLY for DH ?? ( same goes for arbalet's de_hell though ) they should contact arbalet gamegune esl etc and all agree on a new map that would be played in all events all leagues

2010-11-17 18:36

2 replies

Where did you read its only for Dreamhack? All i see is that they added the map to their map pool. And this is just a remake of CPL_Strike which already is a wellknown map. But i agree that seven days is a short time for such a change.

2010-11-17 20:18

starwarz best map ever xDxOx(x)xPx)xDDD

2010-11-17 18:42

nice to intruduce a new map, only bad thing is that the Latinamerican representant won't be able to practice it :/

2010-11-17 18:48

n1 shit !!!! +poolday +simpsons +de_deckstop !!!!

2010-11-17 19:07

not bad

2010-11-17 19:08

Why couldn't he remake it and just remove the CPL signs -.- Way to kill a perfectly fine map.

2010-11-17 19:39

Not bad, but.. 90% of Brazilian players don't even know de_tuscan.. I'm wondering how MIBR is going to practice in this map lol..

2010-11-17 19:49

russka / forge(with a remake of bombsite B) would be great.

2010-11-17 19:52

All the oldschool teams will win now, i guess the new ones dont have a chance on this map.

2010-11-17 19:58

de_vertigo hahahaha

2010-11-17 19:59

download link?

2010-11-17 20:26

satanion.dk/de_mirage.rar

2010-11-17 20:58

second map looks retarded, way to many gay random boxes and the rafters? de_mirage looks okay though lower b was always a bad part about strike

2010-11-17 21:18

Seems some tournaments actually remember there are some other maps available that can be used to complete the map pool. I think there is a fixed version of cbble they could have used to, and quite some others.

2010-11-17 22:42

gl in map i dont like map like this , inferno etc

2010-11-17 22:46

cs_assault or piranesi

2010-11-17 22:49

3 replies

noob

2010-11-17 23:40

2 replies

huh? why? assault: seeing pros helping hostages would be very funny. pranesi: Its just an awseome map. I want that you tell me a reason of why i am a noob.

2010-11-18 01:02

CLEARLY you've never rush mapped on piranesi before...

2010-11-18 14:33

i want de_dust nostalgia :D

2010-11-17 22:50

Great change!!!(L)Also de_russka-Big map for flashes and other tactics(L)(L). de_mirage is okey.B site changes are nothing special,but good:) Loft is an very good place to defend bombsite. GJ DH!

2010-11-17 22:57

looking forward seeying them play on this map :)

2010-11-17 23:27

the best "custom" map i have ever played is a map made by a uk league - thesgl, de_sgl_stone. really fun to play and quite balanced. i would love to play it regularly.

2010-11-17 23:58

...

2010-11-18 01:24

nice

2010-11-18 03:38

i hope k1ck get invite :d

2010-11-18 11:45

nice... a good new map was definitely needed.. but now I wonder how are they going to decide 3rd map in BO3...

2010-11-18 14:59

1 reply

the map is used in the group stage and the BYOC turney, but not in the bo3 finals. so probably some top teams have to play this map. but i think the organization will allow to change the map if both teams agree.

2010-11-22 13:37

AHAHAHAHAH :D

2010-11-18 18:10

counter-strike-maps.com/download/de_mira.. counter-strike-maps.com/download/de_enga..

2010-11-18 19:36

ROFL the people who make these are 75% retarded

2010-11-18 22:31

map pool changes is appreciated. let see how participants perform in de_miracle. I'm interesting on how cts defend bombside A because there's so many entries to bomb A. :D

2010-11-19 08:42

Stupid remakes! they have remade briliant map de_clan1_mill to stupid tuscan, and they want to remake cpl_strike?

2010-11-21 07:25

I like this new addition to Dreamhack of course cpl_mill/clan1_mill is still a better map but they made tuscan for that even though cpl_mill/clan1_mill > tuscan.The modification of the B site brings something new aswell but I kinda liked it how it was back in the days as cpl_strike even though f0rest aced .no in that site :D About de_engage it looks like a playable map but it's damn ugly, it's like a combination between nuke , russka and something from the mapper's mind.Anyways I would like to see cpl_mill, russka, cpl_fire or/and cbble have their A or B sites remade so pro players can again play on them.

2010-11-27 19:36