ECS S2 Finals team list determined

27-11-2016 22:01

The european division of ECS Season 2 have come to a close and the four teams qualifying for the finals in Anaheim are Astralis, EnVyUs, FaZe and dignitas.

The last matchday of the ECS EU league have played out, leaving six teams with a 8-10 scoreline, all being tied for the fourth and final spot for the finals. Overall round difference determines tied teams, which means Dignitas are the ones travelling to California in two weeks time.

Also notable is the fact that Astralis managed to win their remaining 10 encounters after initially sitting on a 3-5 scoreline in the table, so the Lukas "⁠gla1ve⁠" Rossander-led Danes take first seed along with SK.

dignitas qualify with the smallest of margins, thanks to six more rounds overall than G2

The eight teams that have qualified for the finals are:

SK	Cloud9	Immortals	OpTic
Astralis	Envy	FaZe	Dignitas

The ECS Season 2 Finals will take place in the Anaheim Arena from December 9-11th, with a $750,000 prizepool on the line.

yes

2016-11-27 22:01

10 replies

GG for eazies win for SK

2016-11-27 22:02

7 replies

ez for Asstralis

2016-11-27 22:03

6 replies

Semis say no

2016-11-27 22:04

5 replies

Cloud9 gonna win this

2016-11-27 22:17

2 replies

2016-11-27 22:18

1 reply

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2016-11-28 15:14

Astralis #NoChokeInSemi. Ez win for Astralis #ToTheStars

2016-11-27 23:17

1 reply

kys fgt

2016-11-28 14:11

2016-11-27 22:02

Ez 4 FaiZy.

2016-11-27 22:03

2016-11-27 22:02

good

2016-11-27 22:01

dignitas has 8-10 score -> finals vp has 8-10 score -> relegation

2016-11-27 22:03

20 replies

I think the round differential did it's trick

2016-11-27 22:34

Dignitas +5 RD Virtus.pro -38 RD It means VP got raped in some matches and won by small margins in some others. While Ditnitas had way more close matches on it's defeats. Don't argue with numbers.

2016-11-27 22:49

14 replies

So for example a 16-3 win at Nuke starting on CT side is more meaningful than a 16-12 win starting on T side WutFace

2016-11-27 23:49

13 replies

That's a terrible excuse. Those numbers were gotten from lots of matches, not one nuke.

2016-11-27 23:56

12 replies

What about CT sided maps like Overpass, Train and Mirage? Should for example a 16-5 CT side start scoreline mean more than a 16-10 scoreline on a T side start? Because that would mean that knife rounds basically could decide your tiebreaker which is pretty bullshit. H2H system or even an round robin (the one they use at IEM tournaments if there's a tiebreaker) are better solutions

2016-11-28 00:22

4 replies

all pro teams know how to play T side, thats no excuse

2016-11-28 00:34

3 replies

so Godsent is officially not a pro team anymore 4Head

2016-11-28 00:35

2 replies

kkkkk, they are getting better with lekro

2016-11-28 00:36

1 reply

Thought process from Flusha in those last rounds against Gambit was painful to watch tho But at least they are winning maps now so there's still hope

2016-11-28 00:38

But he has a point that could become a problem in competitive league CS That round margins can't be used as a real comparison because of heavy sided maps in the pool Nuke, Cobblestone, Overpass, Train, (Cache)

2016-11-28 07:00

6 replies

Just play more youll see. A scoreline is a perfect way to determine a teams skill and will stay that way. Each team plays both sides. And have an equal chance. Cbble, overpass and cache are all T sided as well. :)

2016-11-28 17:46

5 replies

When it goes down to 3-4 Rounds it depends on what side you started on Nuke...

2016-11-28 18:51

4 replies

Yes but thats how good you are as a team, if you cant do the same as the other team did on their side then you need to improve.

2016-11-28 19:11

3 replies

They probably will never play that fucking Site If a Team excellent on Nuke CT starts on T and looses the fist half 3:12 But they win the second 13:1 They could've gone out with a +14 Round difference instead of a +3

2016-11-28 20:45

1 reply

And lets say there concurrent starts on the ct side ...

2016-11-28 20:46

You dont get his argument, do you? It is not a matter of winning or losing, it is a matter of round difference. An elite CT Nuke team starting on CT will win with a bigger margin than the same team starting T-side. It is that simple.

2016-11-28 22:25

If VP don't care about online matches then they deserve to be relegated

2016-11-27 23:27

2 replies

they do care, but i guess that's the problem with online qualifiers, teams like VP can't bring the "hype" of a lan and step up their game, while playing from their houses.... it sucks, but, it has to be like that P.S. Taz was even salty on Twitter later saying that "every EU team is an onliner", which Pasza replied that they were moving to NA, while calling the SK guys to turn on the fire for the barbecue.... lol

2016-11-28 03:49

1 reply

Its because vp dont know how to use rates to their advantage like all the young teams. And im sure they are terrible at keeping their PCs running smoothly. Thus why they do fine offline on presetup comps

2016-11-28 19:12

+1 they should organise some sort of bracket for the teams who have the same amount of points.

2016-11-30 13:14

nice

2016-11-27 22:01

nop

2016-11-27 22:01

nice

2016-11-27 22:01

dignitas

2016-11-27 22:01

danish and brazil the best scenesin the world

2016-11-27 22:02

18 replies

Danish cs > bazillian cs :D

2016-11-27 22:58

16 replies

Danish CS major titles: 0 BR CS major titles: 2

2016-11-27 23:03

15 replies

BR CS born in 2016 and died in 2016

2016-11-27 23:09

14 replies

Danish CS never born

2016-11-27 23:13

5 replies

Ur fag flag means everything.

2016-11-27 23:15

It was born before you were, back in the days when mtw: zonic, ave etc dominated

2016-11-27 23:17

3 replies

lmao, we are talking about CSGO here my friend dd

2016-11-27 23:18

1 reply

You are the first to mention csgo so far

2016-11-28 00:19

2016-11-27 23:38

This is when BR CS were born: wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Electr..

2016-11-27 23:20

5 replies

1 tournament changes nothing

2016-11-27 23:38

3 replies

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2016-11-27 23:44

fnx > danish CS lol

2016-11-27 23:53

1 reply

2006, lol that's late. Danish teams had won a couple of tournaments before that. That was like mibrs only real trophy:)

2016-11-28 00:43

WTFFFFFFF bo1's rofl

2016-11-28 15:28

how old are u, kid?

2016-11-28 04:48

1 reply

Cry is free. #FallSKG I am 18 my monkey fella

2016-11-28 10:42

Danish best online CS*

2016-11-28 15:27

#ToTheStars

2016-11-27 22:01

RiP NiP

2016-11-27 22:01

3 replies

RIP G2, VP, Mouz, GODSENT

2016-11-27 22:04

2 replies

Na'vi

2016-11-27 23:05

1 reply

navi werent even in ecs

2016-11-28 13:24

LOL

2016-11-27 22:01

vp keks :D

2016-11-27 22:02

that 6 way tie tho

2016-11-27 22:02

ez 4 SK

2016-11-27 22:02

this is a joke? srsly dignitas? 'cos they have more rounds? XDDD

2016-11-27 22:02

1 reply

How else would you decide a 6 way tie? Im eager to hear

2016-11-28 13:41

Rip NiP

2016-11-27 22:02

Lmao SK is gonna rekt those guys, except Astralis maybe

2016-11-27 22:03

1 reply

no, astralis cant win vs sk, only bo1 sometimes

2016-11-27 22:38

#RunSKG

2016-11-27 22:03

OpTic gonna burn this place

2016-11-27 22:04

i think if six team in group have same score, they should play elimination match. And, i more like system of matches ECS1, when teams plays BO3.

2016-11-27 22:04

Where is NiP ? VP? Fnatic? ;-;

2016-11-27 22:04

2 replies

they didn't qualifed 'cos dignitas have more rounds XD

2016-11-27 22:05

VP and Fnatic got relegated.

2016-11-27 22:14

Well deserved and ezz for DIG ;)

2016-11-27 22:05

4 replies

> Well deserved > Dignitas Pick 1

2016-11-27 22:05

3 replies

I already did, do you need reading glasses? I clearly states it was well deserved ;)

2016-11-27 22:19

2 replies

"and ezz for DIG and ezz for DIG and ezz for DIG"

2016-11-27 22:20

1 reply

Indeed, ezzz for dig ;)

2016-11-27 22:22

lul all onliners

2016-11-27 22:06

750k prize pool and 7 tier 2 teams and SK. Even though I hate SK, I really hope they will win this one.

2016-11-27 22:06

8 replies

ECS prize pool will be most likely splitted accross the whole league. So the winner will get 150-200k or so.

2016-11-27 22:17

4 replies

He is saying the prizepool is 750k, not the winning amount.

2016-11-27 22:37

3 replies

And I am saying not the whole 750k is going to those 8 teams.

2016-11-27 22:41

2 replies

well then you don't know what prizepool means. The prizepool for the ECS S2 Finals is 750.000 US Dollars.

2016-11-27 22:42

1 reply

Well, I remembered wrong, it was 1.75millions over the whole league.

2016-11-27 22:47

Teams that performed best qualified, all these teams are T1

2016-11-27 23:08

faze just went 5-0 in groups last LAN with SK in their group and just lost to NiP in the semi which NiP ended up winning? fanboys like you need to kill themselves.

2016-11-28 02:29

1 reply

Yeah, FaZe looks good but it was the first tournament since Cluj-Napoca in over a year they've performed. We'll see if they continue the form but it's not a given. Currently they are definitely tier 2 - based on their track record.

2016-11-28 06:11

Screw this shit. Both ELEAGUEs will be ours.

2016-11-27 22:06

8 replies

Against FaZe xD no chance VP

2016-11-27 22:18

6 replies

No, no. This new FaZe lineup has no chance. Noone actually does.

2016-11-27 22:20

1 reply

To be honest.

2016-11-27 22:21

did you know fat cunt VP on LAN had 99,9% win ratio agaisnt this online shiters ? only one game what they lose to this pleb stack is this legendary 16:0 (other lineup) mongolid allu last time when i listen interview with him i start think he is on drug drunk or something jakem rain pornwegian combo on LAN play with 100kg shit in pants another superstar aimer Aizy i remember 1 years ago shitstorm on HLTV about him how he is fantastic every game in dignitas 30x bombs he is wasted talend in dignitas rip competive scene if he join to faze hahaahahah

2016-11-28 00:36

3 replies

nice^^ FaZe will rek them

2016-11-28 02:17

1 reply

<3 you FaZe#1

2016-11-28 12:27

They didn't lose only one Legendary 16-0 it was part of a series. Know your shit before talking out of your ass. I'm not sure if it was faceit s2 or s3 but the result was: VP won train in overtime(19-16) Kinguin won dust2 (16-12/16-10) Kinguin won cache (16-0) And then again when this team was g2, they beat vp in the quarters of dreamhack Cluj napoca major. This is not including the multiple times they have trashed vp online.

2016-11-28 06:10

Oh you're a VP player?

2016-11-28 06:23

There's a huge silver lining to not qualify for this for some teams. The tournament is literally days before the major qualifier starts.

2016-11-27 22:10

It should be head to head which should decide the 4th spot. This should be changed. And format too. They cant play 2xbo1.

2016-11-27 22:11

7 replies

Have fun deciding a 6-way tie on H2H ...

2016-11-27 22:15

5 replies

Nip and VP are 6-4. Best of this 6 teams. I´ve done it during the day and it took just 5 minutes, maybe less. Nip have +8 rd, VP +7

2016-11-27 22:19

4 replies

"Nip have +8 rd, VP +7" You're deciding it by round difference again though.

2016-11-27 22:21

1 reply

This time it is just between two teams and where I wrote Nip should qualify. I think they should play additional BO3 to decide who qualify.

2016-11-27 22:26

Well you forgot to mention that dig and g2 were 5-5 In any other tie (5 way tie with only one of nip/mous) Dig would have gone through. You make it sound like dig were way behind on h2h.

2016-11-28 06:12

1 reply

Mouz were 5-5 too. And then Godsent 3-7. If you want it complete, it would look like this In 5-way tie with Nip: Nip and Dig are 5-3, VP and G2 4-4 and Godsent 2-6 In 5-way tie with Mouz: VP 5-3, Dig, G2, Mouz are 4-4, Godsent 3-5.

2016-11-28 09:17

Better 2 bo1s than 1 bo2

2016-11-27 23:18

Rip, NV's group will probably SK IMT DIG NV

2016-11-27 22:12

3 replies

IMT and Sk are never in the same group (pretty much rigged).

2016-11-27 22:14

2 replies

If SK was 1st and IMT 3rd in NA league they will prolly be in the same group with EU's 2nd and 4th

2016-11-27 22:48

#99

2016-11-28 10:06

Rigged

2016-11-27 22:13

Should be a great tournament! With top teams like immortals, optic, and envyus, competition will be strong.

2016-11-27 22:13

the funniest part is if ECS had used mini league between tie-teams, VP would be 4th and godsent relegated

2016-11-27 22:14

3 replies

And if VP was on Dig situation u would be fine with it right?

2016-11-27 22:17

2 replies

Yes

2016-11-27 22:35

Well vp did 2-0 dignitas in the online games, so vp better than dig h2h

2016-11-28 08:38

round difference rule is so retarded, it means literally nothing in this game

2016-11-27 22:16

1 reply

BO1 means nothing in this game either. You start lose a knife round and then start on a bad side, lose first 5 rounds, the other team gets double AWP and molotovs and you have a problem. Look at for example ESL New York finals. VP destroyed NaVi on cbble (first map) yet we've seen a great comeback and a overtime win from NaVi on third map. BO1 takes away all of the thrill from those games and it takes nearly the same amount of time. Just reduce the break between maps to 5 minutes instead of taking 10-15 minutes of bullshit analysis, ads and then 7 minutes of poor's man music loop and we might have a reasonable online league.

2016-11-28 06:16

Pretty sure neither of Danish teams will win. Epic center was a fluke.. Semifinals max for Onliners

2016-11-27 22:21

HAHA NIP GET REKT!!! Excited for FaZe! faze - sk finals

2016-11-27 22:22

funny this time na teams look more stronger than eu teams

2016-11-27 22:26

Faze lucky online once again

2016-11-27 22:26

2 replies

"Lucky" BrokeBack, expect from yellow teeth

2016-11-27 22:33

1 reply

Ok muritard, whatever you say

2016-11-27 22:33

No Swedish or Russki teams lol rip

2016-11-27 22:28

i just love when underdogs shows some real good performances. its been a long since envyus/faze/astralis win smth kinda happy that nip didn't qualified, never liked this team

2016-11-27 22:28

8 replies

Agreed

2016-11-27 22:36

- like some mixteam with aimers like Faze - dislike legends which sticks 4core squad together since 2012 k then SK should ez win, hope for good cs from astralis, device is on fire...

2016-11-27 23:42

5 replies

since when all of us obliged to cheer for "legends"? you're so boring with those statements if i respect forest personally and if i think gtr is a great player i still can think that nip sucks as a team with its 2012 strategies and 2012 playstyle p.s. bot friberg aprroves this message

2016-11-28 00:08

3 replies

true, true, you're watching, youre cheering just strange for me to say these... things as i mentioned... no offense

2016-11-28 00:11

They won last tournament, lol. Your blind hate is showing.

2016-11-28 18:34

1 reply

You seems to be the only one who didn't get this message. Even if they won 1 decent tournament in 2 last years doesn't make NiP great team ATM for me personally. It's not blind hate when you dislike team for its boring playstyle.

2016-11-28 19:27

> SK win ez lul when was the last time they won anything?

2016-11-28 20:50

Yeah I don't like nip play style either. I like astralis sk and Faze(in that order)

2016-11-28 06:14

ez for astralis #ToTheStars

2016-11-27 22:30

Astralis or faze win plz

2016-11-27 22:33

5 replies

lol, 2ez4c9

2016-11-27 22:42

4 replies

lol nt could9

2016-11-27 22:44

3 replies

2016-11-27 22:45

2 replies

we will see mister americana

2016-11-27 22:45

1 reply

He was Brazilian not too long ago.

2016-11-28 10:39

LUL

2016-11-27 22:34

ez for FaZe Clan

2016-11-27 22:38

RIP Swedish scene

2016-11-27 22:43

Yeah, I can already see VP fighting in lower ECS league:D

2016-11-27 22:57

1 reply

hahaahahhaa virtus premier EleGiggle

2016-11-28 00:23

ez for Sweden! oh, w8!

2016-11-27 23:01

What up now swedes, woooooooo!

2016-11-27 23:03

Nip dolbaiobi no finals for nip hehe

2016-11-27 23:11

EZ ALLU!

2016-11-27 23:11

ez c9

2016-11-27 23:12

weirdest and stupidest rule ever, taking round difference into account where teams don't play all 30 rounds out.

2016-11-27 23:17

i dont like this system, 6 teams with the same points xdd

2016-11-27 23:17

Rip Navi VP and NIP

2016-11-27 23:18

LuL tier 2 onliners + SK Ez money for SK

2016-11-27 23:18

Dignitrash pass over NiP and VirtusPro lmao, nice system ECS

2016-11-27 23:27

SK will still manage to lose this tournament

2016-11-27 23:44

EnvyUs PogChamp

2016-11-27 23:52

I won't watch this shit.

2016-11-28 00:10

6 way tie in EU lel.....

2016-11-28 00:11

I miss NiP, g2 and VP... it wont be the same good feeling without those guys

2016-11-28 00:12

1 reply

Yes it will, ez money, ez points, ez title, ez life for SK. Now stop crying mohammed.

2016-11-28 05:40

Rip nip

2016-11-28 00:24

So many tears from VP and NIP fanboys, look if these two teams can't reach fourth place with 18 matches to prove their value, supposedly top3 teams, then they don't deserve to be there at the finales. Simple. 'Online' is just a fanboy excuse, if it was one match I could understand but there has been 18 fucking matches, this is enough to exclude any statistical aberration.

2016-11-28 00:31

7 replies

+1 someone with a brain

2016-11-28 02:22

If you've ever played at a semi decent competitive level you know that there is a massive difference between online and lan play. They are almost two different games.

2016-11-28 04:15

4 replies

like you ever played in a decent competitive level...

2016-11-28 05:38

If you have motivational issues in trying to qualify for a tournament you don't deserve to be there. And I don't see much difference in LAN and online play because in almost all the matches I have watched both teams have the same ping. So if you really dont want to play a big money LAN that is not the fault of the teams who WANT to qualify and you most definitely cannot insult them by calling them onliners. If you CBA to play online don't bother registering for the league in the first place.

2016-11-28 06:20

2 replies

That's cause you are a faze fanboi. Ofcourse there is a difference playing online and at a lan tournament. Internet issues, losses, terrible communication, distractions etc. While for onliners, it's the comfort of their home, their PC, their hacks maybe (joke). I have a friend who destroys everyone online, when we used to play online pug games and then he can't perform on lan, due to pressure. It happens. Also we insult the teams and call them onliners because many of them are not able to replicate their online performance on lan. Faze is the biggest example, of what an onliner team is,up until karrigan joined them and kio came back.

2016-11-28 08:48

1 reply

Pretty much this

2016-11-28 13:46

Online is not a big deal. BO1 and round difference rules are. It just doesn't work for this game. It doesn't matter if we're talking about EPL, ECS or Major group stages. BO1 is too fragile. Too seldom does the favored team win. You start bad and you're done. And round difference when two sides can be so different depending on the map? You sometimes cannot put up a fight if you lose only few key rounds that put you at bad economy.

2016-11-28 06:21

Ez allu

2016-11-28 00:33

Too EZ For SK, -astrallis +G2 -FaZe +NiP

2016-11-28 01:00

tier2 onliners tournament #2

2016-11-28 01:04

Rip NiP

2016-11-28 01:39

shit tournament if you ask me

2016-11-28 01:46

6 replies

go cry somewhere else, tournament is dope, and sk is gonna win ez

2016-11-28 05:36

5 replies

There is nothing dope in winning against those teams. I'm sure even SK is disappointed they won't have anybody worth their time. Money is not everything. SK want to fight Na'Vi, NiP and VP to truly prove they are the best.

2016-11-28 06:22

4 replies

If nip vp and navi didn't qualify it's because their shit, it's not astralis, faze, nv or dignitas fault. Sk wanna face the best, and the best were those 4 teams, sorry.

2016-11-28 06:47

3 replies

I heard that Brazilians are braindead monkeys but I didn't want to believe that.

2016-11-28 06:50

1 reply

2016-11-28 07:21

That doesn't even compare mate, SK has a WAAAAAAY easier qualifier then the EU teams, no NA team is a threat to SK, had SK been living in EU instead of NA right now there is no guarantee that they would have made it to the top 4 and gotten a LAN spot.

2016-11-28 13:00

I feel like CS scene after Cologne is completly messed-up. Bad schedules because there are too many tournaments. I think that ESL, ECS and others events organizers should discuss their events schedules for 2017 because this 2nd Half of 2016 is just a big mess, imo.

2016-11-28 01:52

tier 2 event :/

2016-11-28 01:59

ofc dignitas were the ones who qualified, no one wants to see MSL crying on twitter

2016-11-28 02:04

nip's nuke against envyus.. if only they didnt fuck up that 2v5 in t-side, they would have qualified by now.

2016-11-28 02:28

VP didn't even manage to qualify and ppl want them to be on #1 instead of SK Actually, SK is the only team out of the top 5 qualified. "SK is not top 1" lul because the other top tier teams are doing better

2016-11-28 02:32

4 replies

SK plays in NA you idiot. Even fnatic would have qualified if they played in NA. The drop in skill after top 3 teams in NA is too significant.

2016-11-28 06:23

Playing in NA, let's see sk competing against EU onliners and qualifying... In na teams don't even play good online.

2016-11-28 08:46

2 replies

Let's see what? Let's see how they'll perform against these 4 european teams that don't even have an advantage in the head to head game against SK? It doesn't change anything for SK, they would still qualify because they beat the s*** out of these 4 teams that qualified. Maybe it would change for the other 3 teams I know it's easier for SK, but it doesn't change the fact that the teams from top 5 couldn't qualify. If you're on top 5, you're supposed to qualify in a group no matter who you're playing against, since you could qualify even being placed as #4 in the group. But we won't have a single european team from top 5 that managed to do it. Actually, we have dignitas, but they'll probably get out of the top 5 soon

2016-11-28 16:31

1 reply

Im not saying SK is bad man. Im saying NA teams are bad. it is very easy to qualify,and even you know that.

2016-11-28 19:20

increase the total no. of teams to 12 and eu teams to 8 and remove this shit round difference rule

2016-11-28 02:36

2 replies

totally agree

2016-11-28 02:52

they just need to remove this round dif thing for the tie breaker, it's really bad, it's even worse when you start the map on your "bad" side, like Taz said on twitter "a lost knife round killed our chances"

2016-11-28 03:54

RIP NiP and VP, well its just their fault

2016-11-28 03:23

SK vs Diggy or Astralis on finals.... also, gimme IMT vs C9 on quarter finals for the lols and giggles !! lul

2016-11-28 03:55

Ez for C9 (if they don't choke, but lets be real)

2016-11-28 04:14

2 replies

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2016-11-28 05:35

1 reply

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2016-11-28 06:23

No Swedish team at an offline finals for the first time

2016-11-28 06:24

Ez for nvy they have been playing very good lately

2016-11-28 07:04

faze sk astralis top3 ez

2016-11-28 07:11

Every round matters.

2016-11-28 07:43

nice another shit tournament with only shit teams

2016-11-28 07:49

4 replies

2016-11-28 10:03

2016-11-28 10:49

+111111111

2016-11-28 15:53

triggered fans saying +1 EleGiggle

2016-11-28 19:16

ez for allu

2016-11-28 11:37

chokestralis onliners lolol

2016-11-28 12:42

the thing about ECS is that they didnt even care to upload regulations of the league, so ppl have to guess how it will get sorted out instead of knowing before even the championship starts. I know this is normal way to decide who goes who does not, but we had same thing in ESL and we had decider BO3. Amateurish organization. BTW, the standings and match dates were not updated for two days since friday, only to sort it out yesterday at midnight.

2016-11-28 13:05

go go ddk & james PogChamp

2016-11-28 13:41

RiP LAN teams

2016-11-28 14:04

no NiP no G2 :( EU list consists of majority of lan chokers. maybe not faze according to their recent showings.

2016-11-28 15:15

Proud or nV

2016-11-28 16:28

oh yes this is made for FaZe.

2016-11-28 16:58

Relegated team has same win/lose ratio as playoff team, such a close league.

2016-11-28 17:21

people are slating that there are so many tier 2 teams here, but there are still a couple of tier 1 teams imo such as Cloud9, dignitas and SK that can make this tournament good, I think I'll be supporting nV in this one.

2016-11-28 18:01

7 replies

Dignitas tier 1? if they would be tier 1, they wouldn't drop out in groups at ESEA Brazil and or last place at DH Winter... come on

2016-11-28 19:19

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true, but they had good finishes before those tournaments and won EPICENTER which imo makes them tier 1. a lot of the top teams are shaky atm though imo. there are just way too many tournaments happening at one time which is really affecting the performance of many top teams

2016-11-28 19:55

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but cloud9 won ESEA Brazil, they arent tier 1, same quality of tournament

2016-11-28 21:33

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but were having good performances previous to EPL S4 just like dignitas were which is why I still consider them tier 1. your opinion is your opinion but I think if they can give a showing like they have at some of the tournaments where they performed well then this has the potential to be a lot more entertaining than it looks from just seeing the teams going is all I'm saying.

2016-11-28 21:41

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everyone can win tournaments now, Gambit even won DH with Dignitas and Cloud9, scene is a joke

2016-11-28 21:42

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tournaments need to be better organised imo. I personally don't agree with you that the fact that any team can win a tournament makes the scene a joke but what does make it less entertaining to watch teams compete is the overflow of tournaments. at max there should be 2 big tournaments a month imo otherwise the quality of CS:GO played just dwindles since players constantly have to be on the move and have no time to prepare and practice for other teams.

2016-11-28 21:44

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I agree with better organized, there was almost a 3 month period after cologne where there was no tournaments at all instead

2016-11-29 06:36