Who is CS:GO’s greatest-ever player?

As the book closes on the Global Offensive chapter, we reflect on the greatest players the game had to offer.

Greatness is not always easy to define. Everyone has their own criteria, their own eye test, and their unique recollection of events from years gone by. This article will attempt to cut through that and crown an objective GOAT of CS:GO.

Step one of that is our own set of criteria, one that is modeled on our end-of-year Top 20 Players of the Year rankings:

Peak: How high did a player peak? How often were they the best player in their team and the world? How long was their peak?

Longevity: For how long were they among the very best players in the world? How many years did they end in the Top 20 POTY? Did their greatness span across eras?

Team accomplishments: How much did the player win and how much did they contribute to their trophy wins with MVPs?

Using this, we have whittled it down to a ten-man shortlist of these candidates:

These are the players with the right combination of sustained fragging power, MVPs, Big Event trophies, and Top 20 POTY appearances to crack the list. Players that just missed out include Robin "⁠flusha⁠" Rönnquist, Janusz "⁠Snax⁠" Pogorzelski, Freddy "⁠KRIMZ⁠" Johansson, Richard "⁠shox⁠" Papillon, and five-time Major champion Peter "⁠dupreeh⁠" Rasmussen, but ultimately the players in the final ten outplaced them in a number of categories.

We have also made this a list about individual ability, meaning there are no in-game leaders in this article. Ultimately, that is not a conversation that can be decided objectively. Many details are only available to teammates and coaches and, even then, are unquantifiable. Therefore, this article will focus on star players.

Where else to start other than MVPs? These are the HLTV awards that are handed out at notable events to the best performer of a given tournament. We take into account the usual metrics, with a weight towards performances in the biggest matches at the business end of the playoffs. We can see the true cream of the crop in this leaderboard over Global Offensive's lifespan.

s1mple is top with 21 MVPs, but device is just behind him with 19 and the two are tied on 13 MVPs at Big Events. ZywOo has made a late break into third with 16 (9 at Big Events or Majors) before the list tails off at 10 or fewer MVPs.

device and coldzera are the only players with two Major MVPs, the ultimate individual prize in Counter-Strike, but with this list a big three starts to emerge: s1mple, device, and ZywOo; players who have been excellent deep enough into tournaments to pick up the lion’s share of MVP awards.

ZywOo does fall off once we consider longevity, though it is hardly his fault: Two of his peak years were online and he has only been a top-tier player since 2019. In his four active years, he has never placed below the top two in our Top 20 POTY — and has remained on that course in 2023.

s1mple, over a larger sample of seven appearances, has a median placement of second, and is the only player (thus far) to place first on three occasions. device’s longevity is even better with eight appearances, but he does suffer from a lack of a single first-place finish. His peak came in the same era as s1mple, and more often than not he could not match the individual form of the Ukrainian.

NiKo enters the conversation here with seven Top 20 POTY placements and a solid median of fourth place. But, like device, the lack of a number one placement hurts his GOAT argument. Can you be the game’s greatest ever player when you were never a single year’s one?

A counter-argument to this is that not all years are made equal, and device’s 2018 — in which he accrued 7 MVPs, 10 trophies, and a 1.24 average rating — would have been enough for first place in many other years.

Now, let's tackle the controversial part of any GOAT discussion: How much should team accolades factor into the conversation? device leads our candidates in Big Event wins by a large margin thanks to his time in the legendary Astralis side of 2018-20, but how relevant is this to an individual award like the GOAT debate?

In the early years of CS:GO, it was harder for an event to qualify for ‘Big Event’ status; teams did not follow each other around the circuit as events ran concurrently and big teams chose to skip different ones. We see this with f0rest and GeT_RiGhT’s 23 LAN victories and olofmeister’s 25, one more than device's 24.

This adds another spanner in the works, of how we evaluate performance across such disparate eras.

There were no Majors until Winter 2013, part of why Ninjas in Pyjamas' two-year stint as the best team in the world only left them with one crown. kennyS was harshly barred from the DreamHack Winter 2014 Major after Hovik "⁠KQLY⁠" Tovmassian’s VAC ban, and only played at two Big Events in his peak year of 2014. In 2015 and 2016, on the flip side, there were two Majors in the first half of the year and fnatic and SK took full advantage.

Greatness is a big factor behind team success, but so is timing. device won 10 LANs in 2018, but he attended eighteen, far more than the amount attended by big teams in the years after COVID. This means that team success needs to be taken with a pinch of salt even when we are comparing the players that contributed most to that team success.

s1mple and device have been at the forefront of Global Offensive throughout

Still, device has a healthy lead here, and is close enough in MVPs to s1mple to remain firmly in the conversation. As the best player in the greatest team of all time, he is uniquely placed to challenge s1mple; he has four times the Majors, and nearly double his LAN titles. If we consider greatness as synonymous with trophies, s1mple has a real contender.

But team success is finicky. When we look at team success through the lens of how often our player was the MVP, the main driving force behind these trophies, a clear image emerges: s1mple has been MVP of all 11 of his Big Event wins, and ZywOo at all seven of his. This supernatural duo has picked up many a losing MVP, and they are their team’s best player event after event.

device, coldzera, and NiKo sit at the still impressive 50-60% mark, but that gap to 100% is a telling one. s1mple and ZywOo are never carried to team success. So, even here, an area s1mple and ZywOo might be lacking in by raw titles, we can see just how impactful they have been even when compared to the very best.

This is only exacerbated when we start looking purely at individual form. It is hard to compare across eras again; ranking filters only came into being in 2015, and Rating 2.0 in 2016, so we will resort to the Old Faithful of metrics: Kills. It is an easy stat to inflate at times, but over this large of a sample size and in such an impressive cohort it is an efficient one to measure pure output.

The table shows the players' absolute peak, the spell of 50 Big Event maps where they had the most kills per 30 rounds. f0rest and GeT_RiGhT get up to second and fourth; both averaged more than 26.0 Kp30 in Ninjas in Pyjamas’s first 50 Big Event maps of Global Offensive.

But s1mple’s advantage here is a damning one. Not only did he average 28.0 in 2018, but he also eclipsed any other player’s peak when he hit a 27.9 average in 2021 as Natus Vincere won the Intel Grand Slam and PGL Major Stockholm.

*Figure includes online games

When we look by year once again, we can see just how glaring s1mple’s advantage is. Of the ten highest years by Kp30 out of our candidates, s1mple has six of them. He has sustained a superhuman level of output over a longer period than many players’ careers.

We can see how short most careers are, even on this illustrious shortlist. coldzera, olofmeister, and GeT_RiGhT are all #1 players but won a huge majority of their MVPs and trophies in a two-year period. s1mple and device’s longevity is far beyond even the other all-time greats.

Not all games, or years, are made equal. So let's stress test s1mple once again in the hottest of all of Global Offensive's cauldrons: Major playoffs.

Rating is an average of Rating 1.0 before Cologne 2016, and 2.0 after

At first glance, this table might change things. ZywOo is far away in the lead, at a 1.30 rating. NiKo, even, is above s1mple and device.

But keep a keen eye on sample size: s1mple has played in four times as many Major playoff matches as ZywOo, and twice as many as NiKo. Plenty of s1mple's maps came as heavy underdogs too, in his valiant attempts to take Liquid or a low-firepower Natus Vincere deep into the Majors.

When you consider that most of ZywOo's sample here comes from Paris, against lower-ranked opposition, the picture becomes less clear cut. NiKo, meanwhile, has only gone further than the quarter-finals twice — in Boston and in Stockholm — and could not prevent his side crashing out in groups on eight occasions. Their datasets are apples to s1mple's orange.

ZywOo was an early bloomer, a player that hit the ground running at tier one à la Michael Owen or Kylian Mbappé in football. But CS2 has arrived too early — and there have been too few Major playoff runs — for him to truly challenge s1mple for the title of GOAT, even if he, as expected, clinches #1 in 2023. Covid is to blame for some of that, but ZywOo still had opportunities to go further in Berlin, Antwerp, and Rio.

Five years of supernatural form are a fantastic start, and ZywOo has s1mple close in his sights. But s1mple has been at that level since 2016, a three-year headstart that makes all the difference. device is the only player to hold a candle to the Ukrainian longevity-wise, but his individual form cannot match the alien form of s1mple and ZywOo.

Impact rating only uses data from 2016 onwards

s1mple has his Major, and, albeit partly online, an Intel Grand Slam. He has the most MVPs, the most #1 placements in our Top 20 Players of the Year awards, and the joint-highest Big Event Rating 1.0. Even ZywOo struggles to hold a candle to his fragging (if not Rating) peaks, ones that s1mple has sustained at a higher level and over a longer period than any other player.

He is the perfect combination of dedication and talent. His 23,476 hours of gameplay in CS:GO, an average of nearly six hours per day since the game’s release, has helped extract the very best out of an already mind-boggling toolkit. s1mple is, nearly without question, the greatest Counter-Strike: Global Offensive player of all time.

Brazil Marcelo 'coldzera' David
Marcelo 'coldzera' David
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.13
Maps played:
1593
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.62
Slovakia Ladislav 'GuardiaN' Kovács
Ladislav 'GuardiaN' Kovács
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
1590
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.62
Denmark Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
2085
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.65
Sweden Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1749
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.64
Sweden Freddy 'KRIMZ' Johansson
Freddy 'KRIMZ' Johansson
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1947
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.64
Denmark Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
1945
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.62
France Richard 'shox' Papillon
Richard 'shox' Papillon
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
2074
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.66
Sweden Robin 'flusha' Rönnquist
Robin 'flusha' Rönnquist
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
2193
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.65
France Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.27
Maps played:
1205
KPR:
0.84
DPR:
0.61
Sweden Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Age:
31
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1575
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.65
France Hovik 'KQLY' Tovmassian
Hovik 'KQLY' Tovmassian
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
250
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
Poland Janusz 'Snax' Pogorzelski
Janusz 'Snax' Pogorzelski
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
2374
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.15
Maps played:
1796
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.66
Sweden Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Age:
35
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
2106
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.65
Ukraine Oleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Oleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Age:
26
Rating 1.0:
1.24
Maps played:
1723
KPR:
0.85
DPR:
0.63
France Kenny 'kennyS' Schrub
Kenny 'kennyS' Schrub
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1978
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.63
devve
2023-10-10 20:05
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2023-10-10 20:08
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#236
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Turkey ColdZer00
+1 with 2 major winning, 4 major apps, 24 lans.
2023-10-10 22:13
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+1
2023-10-11 07:34
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APEX OFC
2023-10-10 20:09
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9 replies
+1
2023-10-10 20:24
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4 replies
NICE FLAIR MY FRIEND
2023-10-10 20:24
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3 replies
AND I WILL NEVER CHANGE
2023-10-10 22:33
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By far goattest igl in this game
2023-10-10 22:36
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1 reply
+1000
2023-10-11 11:08
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.... XDD
2023-10-11 06:06
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2 replies
WHAT IS THIS USERNAME OF YOURS !!!
2023-10-11 06:58
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1 reply
this is the truth
2023-10-11 15:57
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#437
Faceit level 8  | 
France Stormyzer
+1
2023-10-11 09:37
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Zywoo 16 mvps in 4 years compared to dev1ce/s1mple almost same amount in 10 years. Imagine if Zywoo left the school earlier after 9 grades like m0NESY/Brollan/Donk did
2023-10-10 20:10
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4 replies
6 online lol
2023-10-10 20:57
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"imagine" but we can't imagine, and we only have what we have now, and as it stands time frame relative to how he did it is irrelivant, BECAUSE, it's called "greatest of ALL TIME" not greatest in x amount of time
2023-10-10 21:06
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Only 1 year astralis era and 2 years full of covid.
2023-10-11 04:19
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#594
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
tr1p | 
United States brento
i arent think that
2023-10-12 01:24
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#89
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Belarus Azy_421
+1 the GOAT himself
2023-10-10 20:29
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+1
2023-10-10 20:47
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#132
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North America minte
fpbp
2023-10-10 20:50
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#227
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Hungary BiT_92
+1
2023-10-10 22:05
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If they make 1 major a year, no one can match s1mple. But they make 2 - 3 majors a year so it's like some team are just farming the win and give that MVP title to their best player.
2023-10-10 22:10
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+1
2023-10-10 23:10
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Device lacks top 1 in rankings, otherwise he could very well be the GOAT (he still is in my eyes)
2023-10-10 23:21
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+1 this i get more kills even i dont win trophies is such a bad argument. The important thing is to win tournaments not to bait your teammates.(s1mple had always ak even when they eco while in astralis dev1ce never did that- so yeah of course s1mple will get more kills even the team loses, but who cares about winning anyway). And then people complain why blameF plays like this, well he saw what is important for cs community(people and analysts) and he does it.
2023-10-11 13:20
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3 replies
Simple always had ak or deagle cause he could win and won many rounds doing that
2023-10-11 17:16
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1 reply
even if its true, that still pump his stats while dev1ce that can also win rounds never did it. Maybe you didnt watch matches but where plenty matches where Astralis at the start go 5-0 with dev1ce 10-1 and everybody on 4-4 so its basically dev1ce won them the match without even starting it. People act like dev1ce was carried in the astralis lineup.
2023-10-11 23:09
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Also, Astralis played a team game so Device didn't have to carry his team mates as S1mple did so his rating might be lower( when they needed to get carried Device was always up to it though)
2023-10-11 20:07
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#579
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Fiji uho
That's HLTV rankings. I don't know why is that a bible. Dev1ce should've been best player two times more than he was.
2023-10-11 21:50
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Dev1ce the greatest S1mple the best
2023-10-11 04:49
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Device, zywoo, get right, olof, cold Top 5. S1mple in top 10 I think
2023-10-11 08:35
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#452
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Qatar HKQ
+1
2023-10-11 10:29
0
not to mention that he deserved the mvp for Atlanta Major but ok.
2023-10-11 13:13
0
Has to be Shroud
2023-10-10 20:06
0
5 replies
Good one. Laughed for a while
2023-10-10 20:22
0
1 reply
#79
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Poland mikeL0O
same
2023-10-10 20:26
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#84
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France zxcjn
fraud that achieved nothing tbh
2023-10-10 20:26
0
1 reply
#666
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United Kingdom FNC_TOP_1
+1
2023-10-13 17:41
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#378
Faceit level 7  | 
zesty | 
Indonesia Xaphn1x
GOAT in reddit upvotes
2023-10-11 04:28
0
#5
cat | 
Poland 21x05
s1mple easily
2023-10-10 20:07
1
devve 100%
2023-10-10 20:08
1
1 reply
+1 s1mple very very close second though. and probably the "best" player of all time. But dev1ce is the goat.
2023-10-10 22:46
0
1.device 2.niko (only because he is not a awp abuser) 3.zywoo 4.s0mple
2023-10-10 20:09
0
25 replies
zywoo > niko lmao
2023-10-10 20:10
0
14 replies
awp abuser vs god rifler
2023-10-10 20:13
1
11 replies
seems like you dont know what you're talking about buddy
2023-10-10 20:14
0
7 replies
i do , feel free to correct me
2023-10-10 20:14
0
6 replies
no you dont
2023-10-10 20:14
0
4 replies
makes no sense but niko > zywoo
2023-10-10 20:15
0
3 replies
2023-10-10 20:15
0
2 replies
#304
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Cuba mermelada
average malignant brain tumor hltv user, says you're wrong and refuses to elaborate smh
2023-10-10 23:52
0
1 reply
that may be but does everything need to be spoonfed? he is right though zywoo > niko. if zywoo joined the scene earlier aka if he was born earlier so he had more time like simple and device. he would have been the goat of csgo no doubt.
2023-10-12 21:41
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#46
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India shoom123
bywoo over choko anyday
2023-10-10 20:15
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#298
cu | 
Brazil bizhuy
All this kid does is just hold a gay ass off angle with his deag and one clicks people in the side of the head CT side. Fucking terrbile player tbh.....1.4 sensitivity 400dpi using trashcan. Anyone who uses a low sens does not have the dexterity to properly play FPS games on PC. All the shitty baiters use a low sens to click people on the back of the head, or they are equally worthless and use the telescope gun and one click people in the body. I bet this kid doesn't even play FFA Dm's cuz he'd throw his arm out of his socket checking corners. When was the last time you've seen Niko popflash through a smoke, and flick too two people to open up a site??? All this dude does is hold shift and prefire common angles. like wow dude, ur fucking nuts. you can have parkinsons disease and play on 1.4 sens if ur just baiting and clicking heads on common angles. this is why forest and get right are sick players. they play on higher senitivities, and can do more than bait and off angle one click. pce
2023-10-10 23:26
0
how can you compare zywoo with himself?
2023-10-11 06:29
0
zywoo as rifler >>> niko as rifler
2023-10-11 09:37
0
no
2023-10-10 20:19
0
flag
2023-10-10 20:42
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#180
Faceit level 10  | 
Denmark zerm999
If awp is abusable, why is Niko always average with it?
2023-10-10 21:21
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#222
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
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North America unban_forsaken
"abusing" awp or existing in reality instead of fantasy land???
2023-10-10 22:00
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nikkkkkkkkko
2023-10-10 22:54
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niko #2 lol bro zywoo is 2x the player niko ever was
2023-10-11 05:37
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#480
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Sweden Vrede
zywoo >>> niko /closed
2023-10-11 13:18
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2 replies
and all >>> s0mple
2023-10-11 14:23
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1 reply
#539
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Sweden Vrede
so what? every top players can be weaker or just good
2023-10-11 17:17
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#498
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Poland Botaz
niko used awp a lot when he got tilted and yet he wasnt so good with it xD
2023-10-11 14:43
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#510
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Brazil MrLucas
imagine considering a player that have never won a sinlge major/major mvp/#1 of the year a top 5 player of all time lmao
2023-10-11 15:21
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1 reply
honestly I would put dupreeh instead of niko in terms of top5 goat. but just below that niko does deserve a high spot on the goat list. I think they downplay team throphies and team era's because it is a hard thing to extract when considering an individual but then again stripping away that team aspect FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL that led them to this performance in a TEAM TACTICAL SHOOTER, is not right. I tell you, cant have an era like astralis did with even 1 weak link in the team. not possible. Its hard to measure so its pretty much discarded and you are more left with egocentric reward like we see in simple. I just dont like it as the face of team esport tactical shooter. but it is what it is. If you think about MM and faceit tho and then look at simple as the goat of csgo heeej then the picture fits the experience perfectly. but that is not what the esport pro scene is about.
2023-10-12 21:53
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s1mple
2023-10-10 20:09
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3 replies
s1mple goatest of all time HLTV confirmed
2023-10-11 14:25
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+1... #1
2023-10-15 02:07
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+1
2023-10-17 08:16
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s1mple and ZywOo are in their own category when it comes to greatness and individual level.
2023-10-10 20:09
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APEX NUMBA 1
2023-10-10 20:09
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S0mple no major, dev4ce 4 major lul
2023-10-10 20:10
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4 replies
#68
BzOo | 
France JBzOo
He got one learn to read.
2023-10-10 20:22
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3 replies
are you the real Jean-Baptiste Le Nouen ??
2023-10-10 20:25
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1 reply
#435
BzOo | 
France JBzOo
Yes I’m … who is the unreal ?
2023-10-11 09:36
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And you learn to avoid baits
2023-10-14 05:20
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#20
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Europe Syikos
Congratulations s1mple!
2023-10-10 20:10
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#21
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
ZywOo | 
Zimbabwe Vizions
zywoo goat
2023-10-10 20:10
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#23
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Slovakia Georgiii
nice to see GuardiaN atleast at top 10 (ye flag, and?)
2023-10-10 20:10
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9 replies
Why not? I mean even kennys is there
2023-10-10 20:15
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+1
2023-10-10 20:17
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people forgot how guardian was a beast back then i miss him so much
2023-10-10 20:26
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3 replies
#112
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Slovakia Georgiii
same here, i feel so bad for him, cos he deserved atleast 1 major ;(
2023-10-10 20:41
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2 replies
Man don't remind me of Boston plz 😕
2023-10-10 20:43
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1 reply
#123
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Slovakia Georgiii
ye, they were robbed literally, but for me best grand final so far..
2023-10-10 20:45
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Your flag doesn't change the fact that GuardiaN is one of the best CS players ever.
2023-10-10 21:46
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#475
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Finland tailal
my goat
2023-10-11 12:43
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#603
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Russia velzie22
+1
2023-10-12 09:21
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has to be s1mple, hate or love it
2023-10-10 20:11
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sasha, the greatest of all fucking time haters in the mud
2023-10-10 20:20
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HObbit and Karrigan is the only real answer
2023-10-10 20:11
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#28
EliGE | 
United States cmohr
What about Grim?
2023-10-10 20:12
0
5 replies
Dude, this isn't the "Who has the biggest forehead in CSGO?" article.
2023-10-10 20:46
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4 replies
Lmao
2023-10-11 00:24
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bruh hahahaaha
2023-10-11 01:40
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#379
Faceit level 7  | 
zesty | 
Indonesia Xaphn1x
bruh moment
2023-10-11 04:31
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#652
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South America ZyvvOo
KKKKKKKK
2023-10-13 09:23
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s1mple only the "best" because he had an ass team, didnt accomplish shit for years until half the team was replaced then still fell off hard so hard they had to leave the cis region. device so much more consistent and deserving
2023-10-10 20:12
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#237
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Ukraine Lud0_
device would've retired early if he had to play in similar teams to what simple had
2023-10-10 22:15
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s1mple with flamie edward and zeus towards the end was just basically a 2v5, definitely played a part in s1mple highest rated year. think device would have gotten top 1 in 2018 if s1mple had a better team
2023-10-10 22:23
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no
2023-10-10 23:02
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This makes so little sense lmao
2023-10-10 23:14
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most braindmg comment on this website, s1mple HAD the better team in 2021 and what happened ? HE DESTROYED EVERYBODY even more.
2023-10-10 23:19
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+1
2023-10-13 08:21
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g2 fan talking nonsense as usual
2023-10-11 00:01
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im so sorry s1mple fucked G2 in stockholm, but you have to admit Na'Vi deserved that major dude
2023-10-11 03:21
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they had one of the easiest paths of any major winner, the fuck you mean they deserved it???? vita with shox, kyujin, apex, and misuuuta, g2 with amanek awper and jackz, gambit with next to no lan experience. what a great play off run, very close games and very hard fought
2023-10-11 10:24
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Device also had his mental issues at the start of his career. He wasn't toxic, but completely lacked dedication.
2023-10-11 14:52
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More like complications with his stomach/GI tract I think due to how he and his body handled stress if Im not mistaking. whatever it may be, mad props for the guy playing under some of those conditions on stage during high pressure moments.
2023-10-12 22:02
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I am talking before TSM & Dignitas. He had a very undisciplined approach to practice, something he is in no way shy of admitting himself. I think he got kicked for it once in his early years, despite being far the biggest talent in Denmark.
2023-10-13 13:59
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not sure if before dignitas times should be counted as a start of his career. I mean he was so young back then. would be strange if he was that disciplined right out of the gate. seeing how disciplined he has become. thanks for that insight tho didnt know.
2023-10-13 17:16
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device is playing like that now in current Astralis. and still whooping ass.
2023-10-12 21:57
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Without device, Magisk and dupreeh won another major. With device back in the Astralis, Xyp9x retired and gla1ve was replaced by blameF as IGL. He is the problem
2023-10-11 14:26
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"won another major" delusional if you think they had ANYTHING TO DO with that major run, apex and zywoo would have won the major with any other 2 t1 players in magisk and dupreehs positions. LMFAOOOO device being the problem is the funniest batshit insane take ive ever seen on this site
2023-10-11 23:08
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its more nuanced then this. what magisk brought to vitality as a complete player is something the french scene didnt have. dupreeh was a great player on both lineups minus some role changing slumps on vitality he did deliver what was asked of him. he did xyp9x like roles above my expectations in vitality. like holding B vertigo. device again great player both lineups. both where not the answer by themselves and both where not the problem. its a team tactical shooter guys. Astralis during their Era had the roles down. molded the perfect lineup. each piece was their piece as it was suppose to perform. not one weak link even if it may seem like that to stats checkers. They complimented eachother and they complimented zywoo as well another ffing great player. perfect replacement for device wouldnt you say? like no one else would be able to fill device his shoes but himself or zywoo. Astralis now was building again with device and blamef. who knows what could have become. but we are in cs2 age now. so it all doesnt matter anymore. they need to fix that game first before we can have these conversations again and before people get too old thnQ.
2023-10-12 22:08
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I think you are underestimating the Magisk effect. That guy is laughing constantly (in the inclusive non-mocking way) I frigging love teammates like that, as long they don't compromise their focus. They make me better, no doubt. Hidden fact. Magisk has way better utility knowledge than most people know. He surely had great influence on Astralis initial utility "power-up", spending countless hours roaming maps, trying out new throws constantly.
2023-10-13 14:07
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#30
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Nicolai "Device" Reedtz
2023-10-10 20:12
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#32
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United States Scoobster
where is m0e?
2023-10-10 20:13
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#173
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United States larrypotato
chicken fucking coop
2023-10-10 21:13
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Where TenZ? Yes he had a short career but what a bright one it was
2023-10-10 20:16
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0.94 while on C9
2023-10-10 20:17
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#88
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France zxcjn
if he had a bright career then why did it end?
2023-10-10 20:28
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he saw bigger potential in valorant and as we can see he was right
2023-10-10 20:33
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$130k in career earnings, absolutely HUGE potential. KEKW. 0.94 rating reject lol
2023-10-10 20:50
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Valorant is the game of CS rejects.
2023-10-11 14:58
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this gave me a hearty chuckle
2023-10-10 21:14
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I remember only two highlights in his career: deagle 3k from pit on inferni and him getting benched
2023-10-11 00:55
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#38
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Armenia VirtusNo
n0rb3r7
2023-10-10 20:14
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forsen is CSGO top player
2023-10-10 20:15
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#499
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Poland Botaz
agree
2023-10-11 14:45
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#604
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Russia velzie22
forsen
2023-10-12 09:23
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#42
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Brazil sprk1
we all know device is the goat
2023-10-10 20:15
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#44
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Romania sn1ftw
s1mple the best in csgo history without a doubt
2023-10-10 20:15
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Snax top 1 2k24, mark my words
2023-10-10 20:16
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#500
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Poland Botaz
if he has above 1 rating its gonna be good xD
2023-10-11 14:46
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One of the best articles I've seen here, well done!
2023-10-10 20:16
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#49
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Denmark slacking
zywoo clear of s0mple
2023-10-10 20:16
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of course i know him, it's me
2023-10-10 20:16
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#51
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Israel Xpicyy
s1
2023-10-10 20:16
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AHAH WHAT IS THIS S1MPLE DICK RIDING FROM WHOEVER WROTE THIS ARTICLE XDD
2023-10-10 20:16
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no dick riding, just facts
2023-10-10 20:30
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hltv always been huge fans of s1mple actually
2023-10-10 20:35
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flag
2023-10-10 20:45
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No, it's statistical analysis and data to calculate that s1mple is the most credible GOAT contender. There is literally no bias in this argument, it's factual breakdown.
2023-10-10 21:11
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nah bro I cant "s1mple has his Major, and, albeit partly online, an Intel Grand Slam. He has the most MVPs, the most #1 placements in our Top 20 Players of the Year awards, and the joint-highest Big Event Rating 1.0. Even ZywOo struggles to hold a candle to his fragging (if not Rating) peaks, ones that s1mple has sustained at a higher level and over a longer period than any other player. He is the perfect combination of dedication and talent. His 23,476 hours of gameplay in CS:GO, an average of nearly six hours per day since the game’s release, has helped extract the very best out of an already mind-boggling toolkit. s1mple is, nearly without question, the greatest Counter-Strike: Global Offensive player of all time." those 2 paragraphs are just so fucking funny lmao also making this article while ignoring an ENTIRE year of csgo is just shameful, it looks like its been written 2 years ago when s1mple was obviously the goat.. now that he's washed and zywoo is still top 1 after 5 years, has a major mvp etc, you simply cant write "s1mple is, nearly without question" and "Even ZywOo struggles to hold a candle to his fragging"
2023-10-10 21:25
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The first paragraph was just stating facts, to then lead up to the second paragraph, which was ner0cs's reasoning as to why the data and statistics leads to s1mple as being the most credible contender. I don't see bias here, friend. Also yes, ignoring the online-era is kind of pointless, in my opinion; though the reasons behind it were also made clear in the article.
2023-10-10 21:51
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ignoring the online era should not be done just perhaps measured differently to best reflect what it did account for. nor should the team aspect be totally discarded per individual. this is a team based tactical shooter. good teamplay qualities are qualities/skills the goat of csgo should have. yes how could for example device be the goat if he was never the #1 of any year? I think that was a good argument. the same could be said how could a goat not be from the goat csgo team? which was a huge goat team leaving every other team miles behind - Astralis. this would have been arguable, if the best team of csgo was a neck-neck race. but it wasnt. Same reason why Dupreeh is placed so low. I can understand zywoo behalf I mean thats just unlucky. cant add more years if you were born later. with his trajectory zywoo would have been the goat. no doubt. but since we didnt actually withness more of those years we cant magically add them which is fair. (most are confident if csgo kept going zywoo would overtake simple on the goat status much like simple overtook the goat status from device. for example if cs2 was released years earlier he wouldnt have been able too take it) overall the goat should have longevity at the top as the strongest weighting factor next to helping his team achieve trophies, an era etc next to MVPs. sure individual dominance and stats are also important. but I get the feeling that overshadows a bit too much considering we are not a DM game. also I remember a year where it was very questionable that device didnt become #1 of that year when simple was also very good that year. I mean its fine but we base this also off how previous hltv rankings have been done. which got a lot of criticism. Eitherway its ok that simple is the #1 goat of csgo. I just dont like this egocentric mf as the face of a team sport. and I think I hold some valid points to that. the thing with data and stats is they tend to reward the most selfish while we are at the top sport not playing a selfish game. the team aspect is hard to measure to an individual is the bottom-line I suppose. how about the flipside ? like the team toxicness aka simple towards guardian issues? should go -minus something for that right? but no we discard team skills.
2023-10-12 22:36
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edit: nevermind Im just annoyed at this. HLTV top20 is measured way to individualistic in a team game. thats flawed measuring in itself when that teamplay is also an individual skill in itself.
2023-10-12 23:00
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lmao "he has the most #1 placements in our top 20 players" Did HLTV just forget zywoo is definitely gonna be #1 this year?
2023-10-10 22:45
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Still doesnt has, zywoo could start playing like shit and average a 0.70 rating towards the end of the year.
2023-10-10 23:48
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Bro are u stupid enough to don't realize that CSGO literally ENDED and no more events will be played? This literally means zywoo is confirmed #1 this year
2023-10-11 00:29
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Hltv will probably count the rest of events played this year in the same ranking. So it will be a csgo/cs2 top 20 in 2023.
2023-10-11 01:00
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the title is literally "csgo's greatest ever player". And just look up the next events we're in october it's super unlikely that zywoo drops .70 rating and even if he somehow did, 2-3 events wouldn't be enough to giveaway his #1 spot, specially considering that the few amount of maps + rounds (there will be way fewer rounds) wouldn't impact his 2023 overall stats not one bit
2023-10-11 05:11
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cs2 has ended the year for csgo. so for csgo it has ended early this year. its not a hard concept to grasp. sure it throws you off your conditioned rhythm I can understand that. but hltv should defiantly not continue counting as if the end game csgo is the same as the launch game of cs2. unless they want to be seen as a laughing stock.
2023-10-12 22:41
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I understand that, but if that is the case, they would have already announced the top 20. It makes no sense imo to no do so: game is over, just hand the last top 20 then. The fact they didnt makes me think they will consider cs2 in the 2023 top 20.
2023-10-13 02:07
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I see, sorry for saying that. and indeed that is suspecious and would be dumb move on hltv part. do notice all the articles lately has gotto be written takes time and people to do it. lets hope they will do the final top20 of csgo last year next month or so and save the player stats seperately for now.
2023-10-13 17:19
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Dont worry. I bealive zywoo deserves to end csgo with 3 top 1 placements, hes been dominant this year. Also hope hltv announces this soon so we can move forward to cs2 already.
2023-10-14 05:11
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Tbh I noticed the same. (Ignoring this year completely) we got the likes of device who seems to shine in current Ass-tralis while simple is a far cry of his former self. And obviously zywoo being zywoo.
2023-10-11 08:01
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This
2023-10-11 08:10
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exactly its not very professional like not to include this year. feels rushed.
2023-10-12 22:43
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s1mple AND zywoo on n1 s1mple-cuz playing for long time in T1 with overall good stats, unforgetable actions(double noscope FTW!), zywoo-cuz he gets out of nowhere to T1 and from start he prove that he belongs there(many 1vX clutches, great stats, great game feeling) No one else belongs there
2023-10-10 20:17
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stop quoting this double noscope its so overrated 😭😭
2023-10-10 20:26
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2023-10-10 20:35
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🤮🤮🤮 no way you just cited a TWEET from an IRRELEVANT ATTENTION SEEKER 🤮🤮🤮 yo at least take some real sources if you really want to show me some FUCKING TWEETS
2023-10-10 20:37
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Phahaha, I can't believe that someone seriously mentions that absolute potato maui as a serious source.
2023-10-10 20:55
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Weird metric tbh. Zywoo has the best aim out of everyone he mentions, easy to spot. Could also just say "incredible pistol rounds" for zywoo as well.
2023-10-13 02:09
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There's only one correct answer and it starts with g and and ends with n and its guardian
2023-10-10 20:17
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#215
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Italy Ote||o
I can see the flick, I remember a guardian flick
2023-10-10 21:53
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forgor juissi
2023-10-10 20:18
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Jamyoung
2023-10-10 20:18
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devve GOAT obv
2023-10-10 20:18
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1. s1mple 2. HUNDEN - real GOAT, but got banned :(
2023-10-10 20:18
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#64
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World Kobs
s1mple even zywoo is lucid and said s1mple is the goat of csgo.. but it s cause s1mple played the game way more years also. zywoo had even more potential , almost perfection of a player
2023-10-10 20:23
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#217
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Italy Ote||o
Zywoo will go for title of GOAT of all CS's
2023-10-10 21:54
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s1mple for sure
2023-10-10 20:20
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2023-10-10 20:21
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#177
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United States larrypotato
lmao
2023-10-10 21:16
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Idk why this made me actually laugh out loud
2023-10-11 21:57
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Peak olof 2014-2015 Overall s1mple for sure
2023-10-10 20:22
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#70
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Bulgaria ramkain
Most stable player - f0rest for all of the time played - f0rest. Best player, historically speaking - s1mple. Best player in cs:go, but with huge absence from the historical scene - Zywoo. The most reliable player should be Krimz. Whenever he had to provide, he did, without all the flashiness. Best player to watch - JW
2023-10-10 20:24
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I would like peak s1mple with best NaVi from 2021 play against peak ZywOo with best Vitality from 2023. It's a great shame that these teams didn't exist simultaneously and instead of great games we got blowouts like: hltv.org/matches/2353604/vitality-vs-nat.. hltv.org/matches/2365793/vitality-vs-nat..
2023-10-10 20:24
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s1mple is now officially the greatest csgo player of all time.
2023-10-10 20:24
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device
2023-10-10 20:25
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#77
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Wales Divertic
Damn, the best players (rated by most big tournaments won) are the ones that played/started playing when there started being more big tournaments!
2023-10-10 20:25
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dupreeh should've been atleast an honorable mention, as he's the only player with 5 majors
2023-10-10 20:26
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#493
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Denmark Kon10R
+1 He's won 5 Majors as the ONLY player in cs go history, and he attended ALL 19 Majors. He's won a Grand Slam, 4 ESL Pro Leagues as well as THE MOST winning player in terms of prize money. His deagles and occasional awp'ing on top of being one of THE most dangerous entry-fraggers ... anchor on B on Vertigo ... Lurking and back-stapping whenever needed ... Only Olof could compete, but he didn't win as much. TLDR: Dupreeh outclasses ANYONE in cs go, when it comes to WINNING!
2023-10-11 14:28
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yet he is not even in this top10 goat article. that is a crime and telling a lot of how they measure. discarding teamplay skills per individual, while rewarded selfish stats like highest frags peaks per map. also downplaying team achievements. while we are a teamsport. imo its not done very well. defiantly incomplete measurements much based on individual stats alone like the hltv top20 has been done incompletely all these years. as if all we did was play Death-match all these years. that to me feels very unsatisfying and unrightfully measured. thats not how we should set the tone for a teamsport which communties suffers from toxic selfish players and cheaters with offensive attitudes. discarding team skillsets and promoting the selfish skillsets just because they are easier to measure. bottomline: whether you like that or not its irrelevant it is not accurate. HELL even the ingame scoreboard and ingame death area got updates over the years capturing otherwise lost teamplay data. its hltv updated itself too.
2023-10-13 18:06
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#541
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Finland DeeJay13
He is mentioned at the start after the top 10.
2023-10-11 17:19
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which isnt dupreehs correct placement. we all know that. hltv needs to update much like valve updated the ingame scoreboard and ingame death area over the years capturing otherwise lost teamplay data. imo remove max frags peaks per map specially if you dont count the deaths. weight teamplay more by counting the team achievements including if player had a domintant era with their team not just the thropies. and let that weight in. seeing we are talking about the csgo goat. longivity with top performance should pull the most weight. that is not just individual DM hltvtop20 stats.
2023-10-13 18:13
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#81
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United States vs3veN
Great article. A lot of aspects to consider, but yes, s1mple has to be the best CSGO player during all these years, it has to be him, considering his individual peak, consistency, titles etc. The more famous you are, the more hated and loved you will be. As a cs enjoyer, we have to accept it, s1mple is the greatest CSGO player of all time.
2023-10-10 20:26
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#83
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Finland Electricplug
Still for me: device = The greatest CSGO player of all time s1mple = The best CSGO player of all time In the GOAT discussion I value team success and how good of an teammate device is more than s1mple being better individually. I'd say device makes his teammates perform better by not having the whole team play around him, supporting his team more and being a better teammate when s1mple is the opposite. That also factors some of the difference in how good s1mple is statistically and how good device is.
2023-10-10 20:26
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#122
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Bulgaria AtlasJoC
"in the GOAT discussion I value team success" That statement alone disqualifies your opinion.
2023-10-10 20:44
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#137
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Finland Electricplug
Yeah because for me being the greatest of all time is not necessarily the same as being the best player of all time. And like I said, at least imo device also has a huge impact on his team's successes making his teams better not by just being good individually (like s1mple), but by also being a good teammate, more supportive and taking less space from others than s1mple.
2023-10-10 20:52
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LMAO, I was just gonna let it pass but my mens you killed them
2023-10-10 20:59
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#234
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Finland Electricplug
Not really, he just missed my point which is for me there's a difference between greatest and best and that for the GOAT title I think team successes are also important.
2023-10-10 22:10
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I just cant understand on how can you be the greatest without being the best?
2023-10-10 22:29
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#256
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Finland Electricplug
Because those words mean a different thing to me? You could also argue Zywoo to be the best player of all time since he has always been either the best or the second best and will have the same amount of HLTV top1 appearances as s1mple, but s1mple is greater than him for having way more longevity and team success. Astralis' 4 majors winning lineup is the greatest team of all time, but honestly for example that late 2021 Navi might have been better compared to opposition for that short period meaning they would be the best team (out of those 2). You don't have to agree, I just think of the title "GOAT" differently.
2023-10-10 22:39
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zywoo have zero argument against s1mple hes still a baby. Well maybe just like most zywoo fans u can say zywoo is a better teammates/nicer person than s1mple. Aside from that theres literally nothing zywoo have an advantage to s1mple. /close/
2023-10-10 23:01
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#299
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Finland Electricplug
Yeah like I said, s1mple is still greater because of his longevity (Zywoo hasn't played enough years yet). I didn't say Zywoo is better or greater, I just said you can argue about it since both (will) have same amount of years being the best and 2nd best in the world (both with 3x no.1 and 2x no.2) even though Zywoo hasn't had nearly as many years as a pro.
2023-10-10 23:29
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okay daddy
2023-10-11 00:27
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Except thay zywoo has the highest placement % out of anyone. He literally went 2x top 1 in his first two years which nobody has ever done and probs never will. By your logic (s1>dev) it also means ziwo>s1
2023-10-11 08:05
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you are counting numba 1 placements and placing zywoo over s1mple? So 2 is better than 3 top 1 placings? tsuto matte me confuse
2023-10-11 08:12
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#438
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Finland Electricplug
Lets be real, Zywoo will 100% get no.1 this year also which will be his 3rd.
2023-10-11 09:39
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zywoo has 3x1 and 2x2 after 5yrs of career. simple doesnt even come close to that And yes, I already count this year because there is absolutely no way he isn't getting it.
2023-10-11 19:56
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bruh you are making the zywoo got a shorter career but achieved more argument but have you ever thought that maybe hes just like kjaerbye? Be good a couple of years wins tournament wins major and then be gone. While daddy s1mple was just in god mode in the whole decade maybe hes already washed now but come on u gotta give some respect to that even if you hate him because of X reasons. Also are you one of those people who picks zywoo as the goat just because hes nice on camera while s1mple looks so tilted and toxic most of the time?
2023-10-11 22:48
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I never said I think zywoo would be goat. I just said that with your logic (s1 > dev) it also means zywoo > s1.
2023-10-12 02:40
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actually you think of the goat title correctly. this whole article missed that as well. first translate what goat means. greatest of all time. so that is what should be measures. not the best of all time. nearly everyone missed those definitions because they got lost in the copy pasting behavior of the word “GOAT” and because nearly everyone got caught up in the argument of best of all time. that is not what is being discussed and presented here by this article. if I were them id change it quickly to best csgo player of all time and create another with the greatest of all time. the best of all time comes down a lot to talent and perhaps averages should be measured for that. clearly that fight would be between simple/zywoo. that would also be a list where niko would be placed higher.
2023-10-13 18:32
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that difference between the best and the greatest is easy and the fin is correct. something a lot of people miss. we are talking about the greatest of all time in a game that involves indvidual play but teamplay above else. including team stats. which are harder thing to measure and capature. valve did some nice updates to the ingame scoreboard and death area to capture teamplay data. imo device is the greatest. simple is the best of csgo. the fin nailed it.
2023-10-13 18:23
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on the list of “greatest of all time” would also be a list dupreeh would be placed much higher. I cant believe we all missed that thinking we where talking about the same thing when actually people are discussing two different things here :D bah fuck it. it happens. now lets correct it!
2023-10-13 18:39
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just say the most accomplished player then because imo you have to be the best to be the greatest
2023-10-13 22:04
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the greatest of all time could also be the best player of csgo in this case it isnt tho. the greatest doesnt always have to be the best.
2023-10-13 22:13
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device supporting his team first half of 2022
2023-10-10 20:55
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#194
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Finland HARD4ENCE
That's a fair and valid assessment
2023-10-10 21:34
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#513
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Brazil MrLucas
+1 in the end of the day what really matter are titles, it's a team game afterall, doens't really matter how high your stats are if you can't convert them in trophies
2023-10-11 15:27
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exactly! so why is this article desperately taking selfish stats that we know simple would accel in and add them to the goat conversation while leaving out this year and teamplay aspects? I just miss that correction to make it feel complete. less simple skewed please! we know he is great.
2023-10-12 23:15
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oh my god its a simple, yes?
2023-10-10 20:27
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was it even a question? s1mple clears
2023-10-10 20:28
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2 replies
it is still a question for zywho and dev0ce fans
2023-10-10 20:46
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actually if cs2 was released like 3 years earlier simple would not have been able to overtake device goat status. the same way if cs2 was released 2-3 years from now zywoo would have overtaken simple. (current year isnt even counted) Imo beyond all 3 being very great and deserving of the goat status. simple also got lucky with the timing of cs2 release. sometimes its simple as that. there is not much difference between these guys for the goat debate. beyond timings and conversations of different flavors playstyles. Then you say Vanilla milkshake is the best and I say NO Banana Milkshakes are the best!
2023-10-12 23:20
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#87
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World konraderpils
TAZ
2023-10-10 20:28
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+1 :D
2023-10-12 23:21
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#91
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Poland sedi
its simple that its simple
2023-10-10 20:30
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Not having Fallen in this article, really shows how little you writer know about the game all around.
2023-10-10 20:31
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1 reply
2 seasons wonder
2023-10-11 09:31
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dupreeh not in the top 10 is a crime, would pick him over GuardiaN
2023-10-10 20:31
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2 replies
+1 kennys, coldzera and guardian making it to the top 10 over dupreeh is a ROBBERY
2023-10-10 20:38
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#163
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Spain Marshall_D_AdreN
coldzera >>>> guardian and kennyS
2023-10-10 21:10
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A toxic community has a toxic goat. It fits perfectly lol
2023-10-10 20:32
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3 replies
we evaluate his game no? not the kind of person he is. This is why I dont like zywoo fans because I think you boys just likes him because hes nice person on camera smh.
2023-10-10 21:02
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Stupid statement. So u might just make a criminal the goat just because hes good at the game? Its not just about skill, the person becomes the face of the game and simple has one ugly one
2023-10-12 07:11
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:DD
2023-10-12 23:21
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#98
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Serbia Xajgyk
Best player that ever played csgo: Simple Most accomplished: Device Best rifler: Niko Most versatile and impressive: zywoo Maybe we change the title of goat to tiers: God tier: Simple, Zywoo, Device, Niko Legend tier: Get Right, KennyS, Olof, Coldzera King tier: Dupreeh, Shox, Forest, Fallen etc
2023-10-10 20:34
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Bruh always likes to insert zywoo everywhere LOL. Also the most versatile player is s1mple hes good in every gun. And lately is killing it with shotguns.
2023-10-10 21:04
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#340
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Serbia Xajgyk
And this is why Simple is the best player to ever touch the game. I really think that Zywoo is very close and he can multikill with any weapon, the problem is that he joined a scene a bit later, but still managed to achieve what Simple did (timeframe - achievements) and because of that is hard to compare them. If you are against Zywoo or Simple you are probably feeling the same - im fucked. No matter what weapon they have
2023-10-11 01:01
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Agreed but lately s1mple looking kinda washed already. Unfortunate, I think its going to be zywoo era in cs2
2023-10-11 08:09
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#584
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
No ..zywoo might not like as much cs2 so won t train much compared to young players
2023-10-11 22:21
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Yeah hes got that rep I forgot about that one
2023-10-11 22:43
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#165
Faceit level 6  | 
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Spain Marshall_D_AdreN
dupreeh MUST be over fucking kennyS
2023-10-10 21:11
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#336
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Serbia Xajgyk
It depends… Dupreeh has 5 majors, but KennyS playstyle makes him a legend. Maybe Dupreeh can be there too, its just when it comes to him I only remember that Dgl overpass highlight while KennyS has so many. If we just go by the majors we should give Device the goat.
2023-10-11 00:55
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Would be fine by me.
2023-10-12 23:23
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if we talking longevity and all round id say devve just for the 4x majors and countless mvps but if were talking individual form etc it has to be s1mple
2023-10-10 20:35
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+1
2023-10-12 23:23
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If you are a monster and play with bots, you get outstanding stats. If you are a monster and play with good players, you only get good stats cause your team delivers. But it has a merit if you carry a lot of newbies... But if you are really good you need to have good teamplay and know how to play in the highest stakes. This is f*king hard to measure due to subjective parameters.... But yeah, probably s1mple, devve or zywoo.
2023-10-10 20:35
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This seems to be really hard for people to understand.
2023-10-11 08:06
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And it is. If it wasn't hard, business wouldn't have an entire are of knowledge about decision-making process. Saying that, pure analysis is essential... but in the end it's personal as well. For example, I tend to value more consistency over the other factors... so for me coldzera, gtr, f0rest and olof are out of question... but the people that saw them at their primes would disagree. And they are not wrong.
2023-10-11 11:50
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Yeah. I mean you are 100% correct with this "If you are a monster and play with bots, you get outstanding stats." Yet people tend to not realize it.
2023-10-11 19:58
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#586
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
Not really ..zywoo mid 2022 to mid 2023 around 1.35 rating. .with spinx magisk in his team. But yeah the more players are in form the more stats are shared but it s even more complexe than that
2023-10-11 22:35
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zywoo is zywoo hahaha this guy is just incredible
2023-10-11 23:29
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exactly! thank you for posting this and making it clear. it boggles my mind how people dont seem to realize this. I mean just this article discards teamplay skill as an individual skill. okay granded it is a hard thing to measure but why then take measurements that we know are selfish stats simple would accel in and also not count the current year where zywoo is #1 ? A player could have gone more aggressively for a highlight reel, lets say it paid off and you get better represented by the measurements done is this article. but what say that player was capable of that but sticked to the agreed upon gameplan and tactic to secure the round win? because it is a team game? That doesnt represent you in here. while it should also be weight up and counted. And if that is hard thing to measure then please dont measure max kill peaks per map kind of bs. The face of csgo greatest player and teamplay is not counted while we are a team game. I dont get it.
2023-10-12 23:29
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Goatple
2023-10-10 20:36
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device 🙏
2023-10-10 20:37
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#105
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England naDalous
s1mple the goat
2023-10-10 20:37
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#107
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Russia monkasam
Having zywoo here is a joke
2023-10-10 20:37
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Its not even a question .. like him or hate him is s1mple
2023-10-10 20:38
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#110
Faceit level 10  | 
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Poland bomber34
keep succin this ua dicc
2023-10-10 20:40
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im a long time f0rest fan. but in csgo get_right was like true goat of the game. he gave his all and sacrificed a lot
2023-10-10 20:40
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7 replies
+1
2023-10-10 20:43
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he tried so hard and got so far but in the end, it doesn't even matter
2023-10-10 20:51
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One thing, I donno why. it doesnt even matter how hard you try. keep that in mind I designed this rhyme to explain in due time.
2023-10-12 23:32
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yeah I think f0rest lost his motivation relatively early in csgo, while still remaining a professional and working hard.. gradually finding his personal life more important than the grind meanwhile GTR was always ridiculously motivated by his competitive nature
2023-10-10 21:57
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#285
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States postwarscars
I mean, f0rest was always notorious for not working that hard. He just subsisted on his immense talent, and that's incredibly respectable if you think about it. He put in half the hours of some people and still was a great player. GTR was interestingly the exact opposite, he worked extremely hard to get noticed and to become the best. His best years were undoubtedly in 1.6, where he was absolutely incredible, but he's one of those players whose success is weird because his time got split between both games (very similar to how I imagine ZywOo's will). He was still a #1 player 4 times, if you consider 1.6, which is pretty crazy.
2023-10-10 23:13
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2 replies
+1
2023-10-11 17:05
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yeah that f0rest love me some bbq man and family :D gotto love that guy. socially amongst the csgo pro's his the goat man while having this sic form.
2023-10-12 23:33
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#113
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
f0rest >>> Niko
2023-10-10 20:42
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junior easily
2023-10-10 20:42
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#115
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kennyS | 
Bulgaria AtlasJoC
didn't read, anyone with a brain knows it's s1mple
2023-10-10 20:42
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Where is my xgod Dosia???
2023-10-10 20:42
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"s1mple is, nearly without question, the greatest Counter-Strike: Global Offensive player of all time." /closed
2023-10-10 20:43
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nearly so not quite. nearly becasue 3 years ago it was device. nearly because 2-3 years from now it would be zywoo :D nearly is the word found to be just right!! nearly got it right as I write these words to you. nearly brother.. nearly... cs2 is here now. this chapter is closed.
2023-10-12 23:36
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zywoo is perfect all around player who can do everything. meawhile s1mple is overrated baiter who flicks with awp only. s1mple's rifling is avg, not even close to rifle monsters. overall get_right is the goat of csgo man brought this game to life
2023-10-10 20:45
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Device can never be #1 after leaving the scene for a year because of the sadsssss
2023-10-10 20:46
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#129
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China Jimmyzera
skadodle
2023-10-10 20:49
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#131
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Norway Bjvf
S1mple and its not even close.
2023-10-10 20:50
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The right answer is no one because csgo is a TEAM game, this ain't tennis or some other purely 1v1 game, the question is in bad faith from the very beginning.
2023-10-10 20:51
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#135
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Romania garcea89
zywoo 5 y competiting with players that have 10-15 years on the PRO SCENE LOL if zywoo plays 2 more years he wont even have any contenders
2023-10-10 20:51
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s1mple #1, dev1ce #2 easy
2023-10-10 20:53
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Junior snubbed
2023-10-10 20:54
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Fair prediction and great article, as always. :)
2023-10-10 20:57
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#145
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Romania Flavee
kqly
2023-10-10 20:57
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Xantares best all time
2023-10-10 20:58
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#148
Faceit level 10  | 
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Romania Ardei
Bro they find false excuses for every bad stat that s1mple has compared to other players, it's unreal how overrated this guy has become lmaooo.Hltv admins are so biased and it's cringe af.
2023-10-10 20:59
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I don't understand the whole "zywoo GOAT". How can you call a player with a 4y career a GOAT? He's one of the best, sure, but not the GOAT
2023-10-10 21:00
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Users place him in the GOAT debate because of what he managed to accomplish in half the time as Device and s1mple. Which is fine, that is their prerogative. His lowest placing is literally second in the span of 5 years, which is an unprecedented GO accomplishment that others want to recognise.
2023-10-10 21:15
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He accomplished a lot in a big part due to the fact that he didn't have to struggle with bots in his team all the time as s1mple did. So idk what is more impressive, winning or going into so many finals and semis with bots or winning with great teammates. Also, half of his career was in the online era so that's something to be remembered too...
2023-10-10 21:23
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S1mple on average had way better teammates than zywoo did And no, not half his career online. Barely 18 months in a 5y career. But y ure another s1mp who can't take different opinions
2023-10-10 21:41
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"S1mple on average had way better teammates than zywoo did" hahahahah dude, come on. The only average/shit players he played with are Kyojin and Happy (who played with the team for only like 2 months)
2023-10-10 21:48
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6 replies
Sure, whatever Just filter vitality by year and see the rating of zywoo's teammates Then apologise
2023-10-10 21:51
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doesn't matter, the quality of players he played with is 5x higher than s1mple. You can do the same thing and you won't get better results. Mate idc about s1mple nor zywoo, I just find the argument of zywoo being goat difficult to understand when players like s1mple are on the market. So pls, stop being biased toward zywoo
2023-10-10 21:54
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4 replies
Lmao nah bro u must be seriously trolling when for 3 years straight zywoos best teammate was literally apex
2023-10-11 00:33
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coping simple fan. dude you view people on their reputation not current form. eliege+nitr0 was a sic entry duo making debut same year as simple. I guess you either didnt watch or are incapable. which makes a lot of sense reading your comments.
2023-10-13 17:29
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who's a coping fan here? "s1mple has his Major, and, albeit partly online, an Intel Grand Slam. He has the most MVPs, the most #1 placements in our Top 20 Players of the Year awards, and the joint-highest Big Event Rating 1.0. Even ZywOo struggles to hold a candle to his fragging (if not Rating) peaks, ones that s1mple has sustained at a higher level and over a longer period than any other player. He is the perfect combination of dedication and talent. His 23,476 hours of gameplay in CS:GO, an average of nearly six hours per day since the game’s release, has helped extract the very best out of an already mind-boggling toolkit. s1mple is, nearly without question, the greatest Counter-Strike: Global Offensive player of all time."
2023-10-13 17:34
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copy pasting from a bad measured article shows exactly that you are coping. this article tried to present the greatest csgo player of all time while it presented the Best player of csgo which is simple. perhaps zywoo thats a fight between them niko would also be placed high. the greatest of all time it would be device with niko placed lower and dupreeh placed higher on this list. natrually simple would also be placed high. probably 2nd. zywoo would be placed lower. this article and its measurements got that mixed up. theres a difference between the GOAT and who was the best csgo player.
2023-10-13 18:53
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true +1
2023-10-12 23:38
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Online or not isn't really relevant and no, that's not exactly true. s1mple had Electronic, Top 5 rifle player to help him, ZywOo had zero Vitality members in the Top 20 except for this year (last year Spinx was also in ENCE and technically made the Top 20 as a Vitality member).
2023-10-10 21:48
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#356
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
You know zywoo has ok only 1 lessonline mvp than zywoo has. Zywoo won 10 LAN mvos in 3.5 years of LAN. S1mple won 16 in fucking 7-7.5 years lol. Device is even worse
2023-10-11 02:01
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well said my man +1
2023-10-12 23:39
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0/8
2023-10-10 21:04
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#158
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United States beekatt
s1mple is definitely the greatest CS:GO player of all time. That being said, if we are doing a fantasy draft and I have the #1 overall pick, I’m choosing NiKo. No other rifler has come close to his level of impact imo. I have never seen someone hard-carry a lineup as hard as he did in PLG Stockholm. Shoutout to ZywOo though, if he came into the scene just a year or two earlier, he might have dethroned s1mple.
2023-10-10 21:06
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defiantly
2023-10-12 23:39
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#160
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World tapinho
So in short, ZyWoo did in relation more in less time, but s1mple is the goat because he played a few more years despite way worse performance?
2023-10-10 21:06
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9 replies
Yep logic
2023-10-10 21:42
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#355
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
If we take averages, none of these s1mples and devices stand a chance
2023-10-11 01:58
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7 replies
true. but ej gotto have more years to be the greatest of all time. logical wise im with you brother !!
2023-10-12 23:40
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#646
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
you don't actually. if zywoo overtakes s1mple in top2s, mvps and prestie event mvps by the end of next year will be GOAT no matter what. Why should s1mple be the GOAT if zywoo can achieve more than s1mple in less years. It all depends on how each player achieved. Currently zywoo is below s1mple and device on achievements. As soon as he pass them, he will be GOAT. He don't need those extra years. Also if a future player come and achieve all of those in lets say in 5 years, he will be the GOAT.
2023-10-13 00:09
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we dont have the time by the end of next year. csgo ended now so simple got lucky with the timing of cs2 launch. if cs2 got launched 3 years ago device would be the goat. if cs2 got launched 2-3 years from now zywoo would be the goat. with the direction zywoo was going imo he would have been the undisputed goat. the goat isnt decided by averages.
2023-10-13 17:24
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#677
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
we are ot talking about GOAT of CSGO. We are talking about GOAT of entire CS
2023-10-14 00:02
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3 replies
Entire cs? Lol so also cs1.6. Damn that be f0rest. With device, simple and zywoo having the chance to overtake him in cs2.
2023-10-14 00:20
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#679
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
did f0rest won 20 mvps in 1.6?nobody except gtr is contender for GOAT in entire CS
2023-10-14 03:12
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Pretty sure forest outclassed getright in cs1.6 while being more equal on csgo depending what you measure between the two.(in csgo) I get the feeling you just want to disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing. Seeing we where this close earlier. Or you missunderstood me seeing we where both in favor of zywoo.
2023-10-14 17:23
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between s1mple and dev1ce without a doubt
2023-10-10 21:07
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f0rest <3
2023-10-10 21:09
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tldr: s1mple
2023-10-10 21:11
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individually: 1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. Dev1ce as a teamplayer: 1. dev1ce 2. ZywOo 3. s1mple
2023-10-10 21:11
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#168
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Brazil peladekis
Most of these 10 players have already said "Fallen is the best player who has ever played in this game" Do I agree with them? Don't know And that's why I love CS
2023-10-10 21:12
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2018 s1mple the best ever
2023-10-10 21:12
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#170
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Argentina LuisG
1 s1mple 2 dev1ce 3 niko 4 zywoo 5 getright
2023-10-10 21:12
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#260
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Norway MrSwagFrag
Good list, could argue 5 could be gtr/olof/forest
2023-10-10 22:43
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#542
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Argentina LuisG
agree
2023-10-11 17:21
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#172
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World Lyoa
Dupreeh 5 majors Not even close
2023-10-10 21:13
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1 reply
Not even top10
2023-10-10 21:27
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Incredibly based for including f0rest
2023-10-10 21:14
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1 reply
+1 underrated as fuck
2023-10-10 21:46
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dev1ce
2023-10-10 21:15
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TOP 20 is pure bullshit NiKo and coldzera playing together and cold averaging a higher rating = NiKo was top 9 or 11 can't remember and coldzera not even 20 and considered washed.
2023-10-10 21:17
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He wasn't considered washed at all, just retarded hltv haters He didn't make the top20 because he was inactive for a lot of 2019 after splitting with mibr, he was #21
2023-10-10 21:50
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#1 device #2 s1mple #3 niko (obv not abusing awp like most)
2023-10-10 21:18
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#263
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
"NiKo is a star player, and when you look at this kind of player right now, most of them play with an AWP. If you want to be the best player in the world in the current meta, playing with the AWP is a big advantage. I really think it can be good for NiKo and for the team. Only time will tell if it's a good fit for us, but I won't regret trying this way." Hunter but Niko went back to riffling cause with a awp he is not s1mple or zywoo
2023-10-10 22:50
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He also tried on faze
2023-10-11 00:49
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being the best rifler is way harder than being a top awper, especially for the long duration niko has been doing it in my book.
2023-10-11 15:57
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#559
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
Niko did try to be main awper but he couldn t have impact with awp. Niko IS considered the best riffler just cause s1mple and Zywoo are considered awper..but they are better players than Niko with any weapons it s fact ..just check a zywoo clutch compilation it s all riffle
2023-10-11 19:10
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2 replies
zywoo aint better ak player than niko (nor is s1mple) and I dont think that niko ever went full 100% awp like them 2
2023-10-11 20:23
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#581
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
He did ..in G2 ..with better you mean more satisfaying to watch and i agree Niko aim IS Amazing ..but s1mple and zywoo are about impact to win crucial rounds and games no matter the weapons used, so i confirm both s1mple and zywoo are better even with riffle to make a team win.
2023-10-11 22:16
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they should have made a top players of csgo like with the top 20 maybe with a shorter list
2023-10-10 21:22
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peaks: s1mple>zywoo=device consistency: device>s1mple>zywoo current: zywoo>device>s1mple
2023-10-10 21:24
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4 replies
Correct Zywoo's consistency will be smoother too when he'll catchup years
2023-10-11 00:40
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#354
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
How the fuck is anyone more consistent than zywoo
2023-10-11 01:57
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2 replies
zywoo hasnt been in the scene as long as device or s1mple have been but currently obviously zywoo is the most consisten out of the 3
2023-10-11 13:46
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#509
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
Doesn't matter. He is still the most consistent. 5 top 2s out of 5 years. At least 1 mvo every year. Never g9ne below 1.26 rating in an year.
2023-10-11 15:06
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#184
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Finland Niotikk
Olof!
2023-10-10 21:25
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s1mple > device >>>> zywoo > niko Its basically this. S1mple and device goats
2023-10-10 21:25
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#186
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
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Europe Asviix
Sadly NiKo owns them all
2023-10-10 21:25
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simple or device the rest isnt even close not putting dupreeh in this list is a massive L zywoo would destroy nº1 if he started sooner
2023-10-10 21:26
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1.6 NEO still >>> CSGO s1mple any day of the week
2023-10-10 21:26
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3 replies
<33333333333333
2023-10-11 00:34
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#364
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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United Kingdom Umeroff
NEO 1.6 is the only legit contender who can be compared to Sasha's CSGO run.. It was a previlage to see NEO play in 1.6 - most of the new kids won't know how many struggles he and his team faced and yet they were able to beat the best of the best on the biggest of the biggest stages. I still remember his ace from WCG... I watched it live.. F0rest got a USP ace in the pistol and he replied with a (dropped AK) buy in the next round :) *sigh*.... Good ol' memories..
2023-10-11 03:00
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1 reply
+1
2023-10-11 13:46
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s1mple 100%
2023-10-10 21:30
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This chart just makes me realise how robbed Guardian was. He was so good yet never truly won anything that significant. An overshadowed player.
2023-10-10 21:32
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1 reply
He was good but never a heavy-fragging AWPer, specially considering that after 2018 he became a bot.
2023-10-10 21:39
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Expected from the greatest GOAT of all esports.
2023-10-10 21:38
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#202
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Greece spreyyy
S1mple HAHAHAHA ofc its devve, biased article S1mple nor the best teamplayer nor the best individual
2023-10-10 21:42
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cry is free
2023-10-11 10:17
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Average of 6 hours a day EVERY day since csgo was released. He aint fooling around
2023-10-10 21:43
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#365
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B1ad3 | 
United Kingdom Umeroff
He toiled the hardest. GTR's hardwork, NEO's determination and f0rest's talent combined = s1mple.
2023-10-11 03:04
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#1 s1mple he had to carry bots meanwhile device played with the best team.
2023-10-10 21:44
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Obviously not ChoKo.
2023-10-10 21:44
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device
2023-10-10 21:45
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#218
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United States sziasztok
Captain America aka Nick "nitr0" Cannella
2023-10-10 21:55
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#220
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Canada ssau
I think for the lifetime of csgo it goes s1mple, device, zywoo, Niko. If device didn’t take so much time away from being a superstar it would be different. And zywoo came into the picture way too late. I realize niko isn’t an “awp abuser” but s1mple with an awp in his hand was far more useful than niko with a rifle in his hand for the majority of csgo
2023-10-10 21:58
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#455
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Ukraine Lud0_
Everyone talk about "awp abusers" but forget to mention that Niko tried to be one and failed miserably.
2023-10-11 10:42
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#469
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Canada ssau
Yes I remember that. He thought he could be a s1mple but he didn’t have it in him
2023-10-11 12:05
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#221
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shox | 
England Kmatty
I will die on the hill that Shox on his day his the best player i've ever seen
2023-10-10 22:00
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Gonna be a lonely hill but yeah his peak form was nuts
2023-10-11 00:51
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#223
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Brazil 4vengerr
coldzera_2_majors_s1mple_1_major
2023-10-10 22:01
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Coldzera_2_nr1_S1mple_3_nr1
2023-10-11 06:51
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Simple is the goat, no debate!
2023-10-10 22:01
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#225
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Estonia The Beast^^
Expected.
2023-10-10 22:02
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S1mple is the GOAT no matter how you put it
2023-10-10 22:03
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#228
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Portugal Joaoman73
NiKo
2023-10-10 22:06
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#229
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Twistzz | 
Sweden Stjernkvist
Lol, the guy who made article is in love with p1mple
2023-10-10 22:06
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#230
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Israel Aaron_btc
Sasha is the goat, although my favorite player to watch at peak was shox
2023-10-10 22:06
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s1mple is the goat. he carried navi for years before he had a team good enough to succeed, meanwhile device had 4 other fantastic players to play along side. the mvp% says it all to me
2023-10-10 22:07
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#232
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Argentina nymeros
s1mple great hybrid awper, zywoo is way more complete.
2023-10-10 22:08
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#235
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Brazil Alarz123
s1mple is the goat, hard to argue. But I give NiKo much more credit they give him considering he the only rifler in contention. He is putting insane number even entry-fragging. It is easy to just rack up numbers and say statistically that awpers are better. What pulls him down though is the lack of achievements
2023-10-10 22:10
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In CS2, make 1 major a year. In a span of 10 years you can clearly see who's the real goat of CS2. Plus the accolades and longevity will add up. No need for all this discussion. You cant just say like in CS go you win 3 majors in 1 year and become 3x MVP and the next 5 years you are nowhere to be found . Then at the end you will be in the goat conversation because you have 3x MVP. It's no good. I say make 1 Major a year to see who is the toughest and who can win it every once a year.
2023-10-10 22:17
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They changed the formula in 2016, which is when device and s1mple started peaking, with zywoo coming later in 2019 + covid deleting 3 more majors from the table It's better to have more majors. If u have 1 major a year u get 2 upsets and the whole discussion is in absolute shambles. There's a lot more variance in cs and tournaments are way shorter than in most traditional sports, where you filter out the lesser teams during a long season and a lot of games. CS is more like tennis, where there's 4 majors a year. Suits it better and tbh it's the same for cs.
2023-10-11 00:58
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#544
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Argentina LuisG
no.
2023-10-11 17:27
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#240
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World 888F!NAL
"s1mple is, nearly without question, the greatest Counter-Strike: Global Offensive player of all time." THE END
2023-10-10 22:19
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#241
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France kaek8
Zywoo could have been but it is s1mple no debate about it !
2023-10-10 22:19
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#242
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Ukraine RAivy
My dawg! S1mple greatest of all time
2023-10-10 22:20
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As AZR said
2023-10-10 22:23
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No article needed, to be honest even before winning his major it was so clear that s1mple was the goat. That 2021 run just ended any possible debate between him and his only real challenger : device. Even in 2018 with the greatest team in the history of cs device could not beat s1mple with only electronic as a teammate. The guy had the highest peak ever by a considerable margin, and has been at an otherwordly level in the most prestigious events for 7 years now. No player can match him overall. I knew this guy was absolutely insane from watching him since his early flipside games, and that he would probably become the goat after seeing his success in 2016. Happy to have been right :)
2023-10-10 22:24
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where is Junior
2023-10-10 22:27
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#258
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Germany Constikdw
Always a joke to me that players like F0rest and GTR are above the likes of Krimz and flusha (who was robbed of #1 2014 btw) who had better longevity than either of the two. It’s just because f0rest and GTR dominated without real competition and are just so popular
2023-10-10 22:42
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Krimz has longevity sure but flusha declined hard and fast as well, that kato mvp being the exception. F0rest was hard carrying nip with gtr, but with way harder roles. His peak wasn't matched by either of those two swedes.
2023-10-11 01:01
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#353
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Canada p1peb0mb
Gtr is afir. F0rest in top 10 is a joke
2023-10-11 01:56
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No snax? 3x top5...
2023-10-10 22:42
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dev1ce
2023-10-10 22:46
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S1, perhaps the definition of the game itself - sweat, blood and tears Even tho I rate Niko higher than any other pro, but it is what it is
2023-10-10 22:47
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#267
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Ukraine kalitajke
expected
2023-10-10 22:47
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#268
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Latvia GetANick
GOAT
2023-10-10 22:47
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Congrats to s1mple, very well deserved.
2023-10-10 22:47
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s1mple with a big margin is ahead of all others
2023-10-10 22:50
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Coldzera 1.37 major playoff rating lmao
2023-10-10 22:54
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#275
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NiKo | 
Canada swagcrazy
thats group
2023-10-10 22:59
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You’re right, my bad
2023-10-11 00:21
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Nah you didn’t count this year in hltv placements. Click on the ‘stats’ tab at the top and you’ll find the real number one.
2023-10-10 22:57
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"Greatest" is semantics and up for debate with too many subjective variables. Notice that we get an article mostly about kpr, with a lot of more important stats missing such as impact, opening rating and attempts, clutches, contribution to round wins, kills against full buys, biggest differential between player rating and his team, and so on We all know who leads those and who's the best to touch the game
2023-10-11 01:06
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#471
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
Niko
2023-10-11 12:10
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Does this mean that Xantares is 2nd best player of 2023 and "kvem" is 7th?
2023-10-11 14:48
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#274
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Andorra mopGOD420
Pfff bullshit i bet some betting site payed you to make this fake news article i didnt even read! Lame! Shame on you! Ofc best CSGO player is mopoz aka mopGOD
2023-10-10 22:57
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EZ 4 forest
2023-10-10 23:11
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#279
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Turkmenistan Homo_Deus
Unquestionable, s1mple
2023-10-10 23:02
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s0mple goat of flaming his team
2023-10-10 23:04
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The GOAT of the CS statistics confirmed who was the GOAT in CS:GO. Great article, obvious result.
2023-10-10 23:09
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#284
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Latvia ViatoR
EZ4OLOF s1mple farms. Stats not really that impressive when they use him for the easy kills. He's got an ego, he'd prolly cry if the team wasn't focused about him. Fnatic didn't have this issue. s1mple isn't the GOAT.
2023-10-10 23:13
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It’s interesting that article didn’t mention fact that HLTV changed the format of handing in MVPs midway CSGO in 2018 to consolation award just so s1mple finally “gets at least something”. Before early 2018 MVP was always given to the best performing player of the best team which actually WON event which makes absolutely sense and should have stayed that way, if you can’t secure trophy for your team how can you be the most valuable player lmao. Because of this silly change many great players of 2012-2018 like get_right, f0rest, olof, guardian, kennys and coldzera are at huge disadvantage with number of MVPs earned compared to s1mple since HLTV turned MVP into his personal consolation award. Team achievements should be absolutely included into GOAT considerations because if you are difficult person to deal with and you argue with your team mates all the time destroying team chemistry ofc you won’t win as much. Being a greatest player in team game is full package, it’s not only about ability to click heads. It’s “GOAT of CSGO” and CSGO is (was) a team game not 1v1 quake arena. You could say s1mple is one of the best if not the best individual performer of CSGO, but “Greatest Of All Time”? Absolutely not, you can be the best performer, but that doesn’t mean you achived “Greatness”. In GOAT debate he gets cleared by device and even players like get_right, olof and coldzera.
2023-10-10 23:21
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Cry is free
2023-10-10 23:20
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Nice flair, didn’t know USA supports Eastern Europian mix
2023-10-10 23:21
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#293
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kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
pretty sure its looked at individually. you could be the best performing player of the event by a huge margin and still not win the final. in these instances i think its fair to call that player the most valuable one, but I can understand the argument against this.
2023-10-10 23:21
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Well if MVPs were handled that way from 2012 I would maybe agree, but change format midway CSGO which absolutely played into cards of stats padders like s1mple who had players like Zeus jumping around corner just for him to get more kills is laughable at best. S1mple stats were inflated as hell because of this since he had 2-3 bots on his team. Was it device’s fault he had decent team mates and wasn’t obligated to carry as hard since they won trophies anyway???
2023-10-10 23:25
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#297
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kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
that is true, they did become more creative with the award after a certain point. But did s1mple really get that many MVP awards without winning? cant be that many that it actually matters, but I cant tell I dont remember
2023-10-10 23:26
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He has 4 MVPs from events he didn’t win which would put him at 17 MVPs if they were awarded as they were till 2018, while device won all of 19 events he got MVP for. Device would be +2 and all this “MVP argument” for s1mple would be irrelevant, but sadly we all know HLTV are biased towards stats farmer/padders, great example of this is they keep including BaitF into top 20 and he will get his 4th appearance in a row this year while never winning LAN in his life and having literally zero impact.
2023-10-11 00:21
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There was a precedent with shox in like 2014, and s1mple deserved his exceptions in 2018 But after that, shit got wild, with the exceptions becoming the rule
2023-10-11 01:10
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there are earlier instances where the player that did not win was the HLTV MVPs. By no means was s1mple in 2018 the first.
2023-10-11 02:14
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Ye it happened once in 5 years, but after 2018 HLTV were giving them like bananas.
2023-10-11 10:10
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it actually happened a handful of times before but its only happening more because it is s1mple and zywoo we are talking about, the two greatest of the game. It is quite impressive to be the best performer in a series your team doesn't win. Plus, there is also the condition that maybe the team that won didn't have a stand out player at all like it was a team effort. If a s1mple-like player has 1.5+ rating but lost 14-16 on every map in the final but the winning team all have players in the 1.10 rating, do you think the 1.5+ player should not be recognized even if only a score of the game is separated by just 2 rounds each? This is just a hypothetical scenario but my point is if a player plays lights out, I think they've earned the MVP for reaching every stage the champions have and did better individually since it is an individual award. The title does mean "most valuable player" of the tournament which means every player in the tournament IN THEORY should be eligible. Otherwise it will be known as "most valuable player on the winning team" award. If always only 5 players can be the MVP by default, and everyone else is disqualified, what would be the point? It will lose what the title actually means and will have little to no prestige or meaning behind it anymore.
2023-10-11 11:12
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#413
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Russia Topper!
Well said
2023-10-11 06:52
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well, no list can be perfect, this is ner0cs's take through stats and apparently approved by hltv regarding team achievements... goat is an individual tho. team achievements are better suited for comparing greatest teams of all time. it's true that winning titles is the ultimate reward for individual skill, but imagine s1mple playing with a better team that he didn't have to carry every time, what would've happened?
2023-10-11 07:43
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true its another mix up between best player and most valueable player. team aspects weight higher in most valueable. same with greatest of all time device and who was the best csgo player? probably simple maybe zywoo. theres a difference that get lost if people interpertate MVP most valueble player as the best player. yes the mvp can also be the best player. but the best player doesnt need to be the most valuable. the most valueble made you win the game or the tournament. which better translates to the greatest of all time too. the best player did best as per individual stats. this all is a very note worthy difference in my opinion. in an article that tried to present the greatest of all time while it more likely presented an answer to “who was the best csgo player” simple. understandable mistake because it can get confusing but very important to do right by the players and the sport to rectify this situation. this is only annoyed futher as the guy above me noted they started to change how they handed out mvps. basically MVPs could have been handed out on different criteria.
2023-10-13 19:17
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#288
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kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
no Dosia? this list is bullshit
2023-10-10 23:18
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Uh hello heard of junior before?
2023-10-10 23:19
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S1MPLE IS THE GOAT THATS THE FACT
2023-10-10 23:34
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simple was probably the best to have touched csgo but the greatest of all time has gotto be de1vice. this article has those two definitions mixed up. i.e. you can test this yourself. whom do you think should also be placed high on the list ? dupreeh or Niko? If you say Niko you have the definition of the "best player of csgo" list in your head. if you say Dupreeh you have the definition of the "greatest of all time from csgo" list in your head. that test right there exposes what definition you had inmind and the mixup here. even if you didnt want to admit to having one of the definitions because you where pleased with this articles result. claiming there are no two definitions! :D while there clearly is.
2023-10-17 12:28
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witnessing all the above zywoo and device apoligists cry and cope for their so-called "goat"s surpassed by s1mple is a treat
2023-10-10 23:36
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#302
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Ukraine d3adLY
ez for s1mple
2023-10-10 23:37
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Bro where even is forsaken on this list? Biggest scam in cs history man.
2023-10-10 23:56
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#306
Faceit level 7 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Portugal dracø
Didn't even read, s1mple takes this for sure
2023-10-10 23:57
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#308
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China DiLiMu
CSGO GOAT player top1 is s1mple,second is ZywOo(s1mple team has better honor than ZywOo). The team honor player is dupreeh,He's only one play all Major, Won fives major and 31 big events.
2023-10-11 00:04
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First thought, s1mple
2023-10-11 00:04
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#312
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chrisJ | 
Netherlands jorisgeinig
how tf is getright on this list fr so overrated
2023-10-11 00:10
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#319
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kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
for almost 7, 8 years he was undisputedly the best or among the best players in counter-strike. And you just called him overrated... nice sure this is about csgo, but still, you could give him some credit
2023-10-11 00:27
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Hooxi
2023-10-11 00:11
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device
2023-10-11 00:26
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f0rest ofc
2023-10-11 00:27
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Device is the best in CSGO history
2023-10-11 00:28
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Device great mate and great player, s1mple only great player. The goat is Device
2023-10-11 00:46
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ez4 S1mple
2023-10-11 00:49
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Definitely NOT ecovice. WHY? He didn't have to carry the team. He had a good team that allowed him to put up the numbers.
2023-10-11 00:52
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Hard to imagine how people can even let NiKo and dev1ce pass the GOAT test ridiculous
2023-10-11 01:13
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Nice read
2023-10-11 01:22
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Taco
2023-10-11 01:22
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#514
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china | 
Brazil ginga do maroto
+1
2023-10-11 15:28
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Tenz
2023-10-11 01:28
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#352
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NEO | 
Poland ScR1337
Too many factors to decide but I would alsogo for s1mple but if cs go would last for 4-5y more then it would be zywoo i guess
2023-10-11 01:44
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#362
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B1ad3 | 
United Kingdom Umeroff
"if cs go would last for 4-5y more then" By same logic, Neo would never be the #1 1.6 player.. Because markeloff would have eclipsed him.
2023-10-11 02:53
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#430
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NEO | 
Poland ScR1337
not rly
2023-10-11 09:04
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and so it is settled
2023-10-11 02:11
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#360
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Australia Beard43
"Covid is to blame for some of that..." When did ZywOo get sick with covid affecting his career? Am I missing something? I would've thought that'd be news.
2023-10-11 02:21
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Device easily. You're running stats which would work in quake duelling but CS weapon distribution is assymetrical and it's a team game.
2023-10-11 02:29
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Then it's dupreeh
2023-10-11 04:20
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He still lacks the MVPs. and longivity insane high HLTV top20 placements.
2023-10-17 12:29
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#363
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B1ad3 | 
United Kingdom Umeroff
Sasha, our greatest. Zywoo might go on and become the best in CS2 or maybe someone else might come and shatter all s1mple's and Zywoo's records but as far as CS:GO is concerned.. Sasha is the greatest. No one came close. He carried the hopes and dreams of thousands of Na`Vi fans. We are proud of our Goat. Sasha <3
2023-10-11 02:56
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#367
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Croatia KraljBrk
s1, niko, de1vce, zywoo
2023-10-11 03:11
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s1mple, the undisputed GOAT.
2023-10-11 03:12
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s1mple vs device hmm hmm devve bruh
2023-10-11 03:19
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well, kid said s1mple zywoo but adult said its dupreeh with 5 major . multipal by 5 s1mple's career
2023-10-11 03:22
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Kenny is my goat, and above that, he is the HERO counter-strike needed, but not the one it deserved. That said, i know that statistically + individually, s1mple has to be labeled as goat because he has skills close to Kenny but also has a much better and longer career. ZywOo is great, nowhere near goat though, and his genetics for a CS Crack are not what you say they are, NiKo actually has superior genetics for CS than ZywOo.
2023-10-11 03:26
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Nikola “NiKo” Kovac aka nIKOLINHO the undisputed goat
2023-10-11 03:50
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s1mple
2023-10-11 04:18
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Device never won cologne He can't be the goat
2023-10-11 04:26
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ez dev1ce for me
2023-10-11 04:39
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Okay, been reading every post now so thought I'd express my opinion. Based on everything I've read and all the different opinions people have and tried to combine that into a clear-cut answer it seems to me that there are way too many variables in determining the absolute no. 1. Of all the data, statistics, accomplishments, talent etc. the answer to me is too intangible to get to a justifiable result. Sure, I have my favorites, not going to deny that, but in the end my opinion will never be right in someone else's mind and I might not agree with that person on his views. In the end all I can say is I really don't have the right answer to the question.
2023-10-11 04:41
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So I can assume your GOAT is Pimp?
2023-10-11 06:47
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There will never be a "true" answer to the question or debate because that would be impossible to calculate. The article did a good job of breaking down the contenders but at the end of the day, it's still whomever you decide or deem it to be, because it isn't a fact and nor should ever be treated as factual. Debates like this are what fuels HLTV and I highly doubt that it will just end because an article calculated s1mple to be the best possible contender based upon the metric and statistical data, it just gives weight to how dominant s1mple was overall throughout CS:GO. If you want to take that dominance overall as being the GOAT of the game? Go ahead, many will agree with you and many will disagree with you.
2023-10-11 17:48
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Thank you.
2023-10-11 17:59
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actually you are right. it still best to view the goats in threefold with different tiers/categories or at least two fold dev1ce, simple and zywoo to make it evenly fair and easy for everyone. However if we truly want to point one player then it is clear we are talking about two different definitions here. simple was probably the best to have touched csgo but the greatest of all time has gotto be de1vice. this article has those two definitions mixed up. i.e. you can test this yourself. whom do you think should also be placed high on the list ? dupreeh or Niko? If you say Niko you have the definition of the "best player of csgo" list in your head. if you say Dupreeh you have the definition of the "greatest of all time from csgo" list in your head. that test right there exposes what definition you had inmind and the mixup here. even if you didnt want to admit to having one of the definitions because you where pleased with this articles result. claiming there are no two definitions! :D while there clearly is. "You" is meant in general btw for everyone reading this post. eitherway the article writer has presented us with the best player of csgo aka simple (if averages are measured maybe zywoo) but has yet to make an article about the greatest of all time aka dev1ce. which to some greatest can also be valued as the best player but only then does it become personal preference. definition is a definition, in this case it is a title. The best should be simple with his talented skill and peak performance yet also some longivity to that. but he cant also be the greatest because then the other side of the coin is also counted like team thropies, era defining meta, dominant era, individual teamplay skills. and if there is a player that greatly outshines the best on that flipside then how could that best player (simple) also be the greatest? its simple. he cant in this case also be the greatest.
2023-10-17 12:42
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With logic and facts
2023-10-11 04:51
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Are we just going to deny Shroud doesn't exist? Sure s1mple can be 2nd but only after the goat rifler.
2023-10-11 04:55
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god I hope the whole world could completely ignore Shroud exists, it'd be a better place like that
2023-10-11 05:48
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S1mple fanboy just can't handle the goat.
2023-10-11 06:11
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?????????????????????? most intelligent Shroud fan:
2023-10-12 02:37
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Ez for GOAT s1mple
2023-10-11 04:56
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Coldzera's 50 map peak starts in 2018 and ends in 2017. Time traveller confirmed
2023-10-11 05:08
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Most dominant was olof in 2015, but he fell down quickly afterwards but still the most dominant player in csgo. He could destroy the enemy team while only using pistol. Insane.
2023-10-11 05:11
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#390
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India Antr1c
Not considering their primary weapon , seems like an avg hltv user post. still staying in top list of awp abusers,Niko truly is my goat.
2023-10-11 05:21
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s1mple is a big a hole but hes is the goat. CSGO ended before Zywoo could show us what he could do.
2023-10-11 05:29
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s1mple thread closed
2023-10-11 05:42
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Shroud...
2023-10-11 06:12
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#396
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India Faze0089
Conclusion Niko is the greatest rifler in csgo history and it's not even close, S1mple is the greatest csgo player overall and Zywoo is close 2nd to S1mple but if Zywoo was a bit old and had he debuted 2-3 years earlier to 2018 he would have been the GOAT.
2023-10-11 05:43
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Device S1mple
2023-10-11 05:45
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#399
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Germany Sol1taire
where's rainwaker?
2023-10-11 05:57
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#405
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Uzbekistan nasr1dn
s1mple the GOAT
2023-10-11 06:22
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HLTV quickly doing their '' GOAT rankings '' so this year's top20 rankings/stats don't count xD
2023-10-11 06:36
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even HLTV recognizes s1mple as the GOAT the delusional zywhere fans in shambles
2023-10-11 06:42
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No, the article calculated the best possible contender for the debate by use of data, statistics and prevalent information. It isn't a won-and-done fact that has been "confirmed" by any means, that's simply your misconception.
2023-10-11 17:42
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Winnings > Device. Impact/skill S1mple
2023-10-11 06:46
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The device is a Bentley, ZywOo is a Rolls Royce, but s1mple is a Bugatti Veyron - only s1mple causes joy, hate, laughter, tears, discussions. They cannot be compared, s1mple did more for the popularity of CS:GO than all the top 10 combined. All professionals know this, but you continue to argue.
2023-10-11 06:59
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device clears these random,
2023-10-11 07:17
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device
2023-10-11 08:03
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device
2023-10-11 08:10
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As individual s1mple is goat,in terms of titles it's device as rest of astralis if we look only on titles who is saying device remember s1mple never had teammates like device's Astralis in primer.S1mple should do way more playing with edward zeus flamie seized guardian,while device had primer xyp gla1ve dupreeh and magisk.
2023-10-11 08:34
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S1MPLE zywoo device Niko in that order for me
2023-10-11 08:36
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#440
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Denmark beastkiller84
this^^
2023-10-11 09:42
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#431
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Germany s1kk_k46
in terms of pure personal skill and ingame versatility, every take besides s1mple is stupid, you can hate him, but cs go comes to an end and to this point its s1mple, its as simple as that. if you considering everything besides pure ingame skill, like team archievements, personality, teamplay and all this stuff, it has to be device. but for me the goat discussion should mainly focus on personal skill.I mean he single handedly made Navi relevant in the first roster he joined and also wasted alot of time with trash teams. We saw during navi era that he can even be outstanding even in a top team and clear events as an mvp and win those...
2023-10-11 09:10
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To be the greatest does mean to me that he won the most. 4 vs 1 major 24 vs 13 event wins. Not sure how they choose s1mple when the game is about winning. s1mple could get the most skilled player award but not the greatest award.
2023-10-11 10:04
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#445
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Germany s1kk_k46
thats what im talking about. imo the team archievements doesnt matter too much when youre talking about a goat player, atleast for me the goat player defines with personal skill, peak, versatility, consintence, how long periodically he performed and things like mvp´s that are awarding a player for his personal performance mainly.I mean obv. if u didnt won anything u cant be the goat but thats not the case for s1mple. its just a question of how you approach the goat status. but personally i think that you have in team games like CS a goat player which can be chosen apart from who won the most stuff and a goat team where you can hardly rely on winning events and so on. but thats just my thinking so.
2023-10-11 10:15
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#432
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Russia mshkoda
God Jame ofc
2023-10-11 09:13
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S1mple is the goat individual of csgo and thats not even debatable
2023-10-11 09:53
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CS is competetive game with the goal to win. Therefore 4 majors wins over 1 major and 24 titles over 13. When the measurement is winning (which should be in a competetive teamgame), then s1mple was just a talented TOP 10 in csgo.
2023-10-11 09:58
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#457
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Asia NinX
+1
2023-10-11 10:44
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This guy gets it. those win represent individual teamplay skills too. which this article totally discards. also this year hasnt been counted yet.
2023-10-17 12:19
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#447
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Germany Pummel
Maybee ask 5 time major winner dupreh first ...
2023-10-11 10:19
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#456
Xyp9x | 
Asia NinX
Not enough MVPs.
2023-10-11 10:43
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#496
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Denmark Kon10R
dupreeh won more than ANYONE else in cs go: 5 Majors, a GS and 4 Pro League titles. THE most winning cs go player in terms of prize money: OVER and out.
2023-10-11 14:35
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#497
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Asia NinX
lacks personal accolades though. I for one do believe that Team accolades are very important in GOAT debates. But 1st comes personal Accolades when they are near +-5 of two player than comes Team Accolades. Dupreeh will forever be my number 1 pick for Greatest entry of all time. but when it comes down to Greatest player (singular) of All Time. Personal accolades matter. You can skip on HLTV ranking cause... 3rd party.
2023-10-11 14:39
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#501
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Denmark Kon10R
As you wish. dupreeh won more than ANYONE ELSE in cs go. The rest is up to hltv "experts"! 😝🤘 Knock yourselves out !!!
2023-10-11 14:46
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simple was probably the best to have touched csgo but the greatest of all time has gotto be de1vice. this article has those two definitions mixed up. i.e. you can test this yourself. whom do you think should also be placed high on the list ? dupreeh or Niko? If you say Niko you have the definition of the "best player of csgo" list in your head. if you say Dupreeh you have the definition of the "greatest of all time from csgo" list in your head. that test right there exposes what definition you had inmind and the mixup here. even if you didnt want to admit to having one of the definitions because you where pleased with this articles result. claiming there are no two definitions! :D while there clearly is.
2023-10-17 12:18
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#732
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Denmark Kon10R
My point was/is: While the "greatest" is based on emotions, opinions and personal preferences ... I just look at the trophy cabinet and the bank account. Dupreeh - and I - may smile about the discussions about the "greatest": Astralis, Liquid, NaVi and FaZe won a Grand Slam. Only Astralis won FOUR Majors! Now, with Vitality winning a Major, also Mag1sk won 4 Majors ... but that makes FIVE for dupreeh! (And Zon1c.) THREE Pro League titles with Astralis and one with Vitality makes FOUR for dupreeh and Mag1sk. But dupreeh was the ONLY player present at ALL Majors in cs go !!! On top he was THE first to pass the 2 million dollar mark in prize winnings. When it comes to personal mechanics: Except for IGL'ing, dupreeh gave us some fantastic moments over the years. Yes, quite a few players did: That's why we luuuv this game! But dupreeh held a PRETTY PRETTY high standard of deagle magic, headshots, entry-fragging, "holding B", lurking, even AWP'ing ... what have you ... dupreeh nearly did it ALL for sooo many years (a decade or so) on such a consistently high level! MVP's ... nope. Deve and S1mple over-shined him on that account. Olofmeister could maybe compete, but he didn't win as much. In short: The "greatest" will ALWAYS be a matter of "opinions, emotions, personal preferences and likings". Some statistics may back up "opinions and preferences" for Deve, Niko and S1mple, but I'm simply pointing at raw results: Trophies, titles and cool cash on the bank account. Dupreeh outshines EVERYONE in cs go.
2023-10-24 22:38
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The debate is greatest “PLAYER” NOT greatest team or Org based on accolades it’s Simple without a doubt when speaking about individual skill, accomplishments and longevity
2023-10-11 10:20
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simple was probably the best to have touched csgo but the greatest of all time has gotto be de1vice. this article has those two definitions mixed up. i.e. you can test this yourself. whom do you think should also be placed high on the list ? dupreeh or Niko? If you say Niko you have the definition of the "best player of csgo" list in your head. if you say Dupreeh you have the definition of the "greatest of all time from csgo" list in your head. that test right there exposes what definition you had inmind and the mixup here. even if you didnt want to admit to having one of the definitions because you where pleased with this articles result. claiming there are no two definitions! :D while there clearly is.
2023-10-17 12:21
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You steel manned my opinion in your first sentence. Then you contradicted yourself, weird. Device is great but sullied his career with the year long hiatus for being SADsssss
2023-10-17 13:08
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Then I guess you misunderstood and get tangled up within the confusion from these two definitions. read #713 to get a clearer understanding. also whining about that year from dev1ce is funny when this year hasnt been counted in this article.
2023-10-17 13:13
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#453
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Czech Republic Semi96
dev1ce
2023-10-11 10:36
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#454
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Sweden shirre
I don't really care about the amount of MVP's the players has gotten tbh. f0rest and GeT_RiGhT are always up there for me. Absolute legends that still has it in them. device is probably my number one just because the Astralis era is the strongest by far and he was an extremely important part of their success. Every single player they had deserves to be mentioned.
2023-10-11 10:44
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#458
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Asia NinX
Any person who thinks Greatest player category in CS should give less points to team success clearly doesn't understand what game he is watching. Only individuals sports should prioritize individual accolades. For team sports, it's always going to be Individual accolades +Team accolades. There are 4 players who qualify for this Debate. Olafmeister, Coldzera, Dev1ce and s1mple. If you add longevity then there 3.. Olaf, Dev1ce and S1mple. And I believe you can't go wrong with any one of them.
2023-10-11 10:50
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#460
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Sweden multib
I hate the guy's toxicity and how he treats his teammates, but he is so much the GOAT it can't be denied. Even though he is the goat, device and zywoo are players that benefit the team more. They elevate the team.
2023-10-11 11:05
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simple was probably the best to have touched csgo but the greatest of all time has gotto be de1vice. this article has those two definitions mixed up. i.e. you can test this yourself. whom do you think should also be placed high on the list ? dupreeh or Niko? If you say Niko you have the definition of the "best player of csgo" list in your head. if you say Dupreeh you have the definition of the "greatest of all time from csgo" list in your head. that test right there exposes what definition you had inmind and the mixup here. even if you didnt want to admit to having one of the definitions because you where pleased with this articles result. claiming there are no two definitions! :D while there clearly is.
2023-10-17 13:23
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Allu is the goat
2023-10-11 11:26
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You mean guy that wasn't sure can he drink red bull that was given to his playing desk? youtube.com/watch?v=iHGp00ukt28
2023-10-11 18:19
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Number 1 in the name, number 1 in the game
2023-10-11 11:36
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Guardian considered in the 10 man list and not Shox, shame on you HLTV!
2023-10-11 12:01
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#470
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
Gotta give it to s0mple even though i'd much rather be biased and say device
2023-10-11 12:07
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Many here are still salty AF. S1mple is the GOAT whether you like it or NOT so keep crying folks. :)
2023-10-11 12:31
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Please redo this and remove all online “accomplishments”, especially mvps
2023-10-11 12:47
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#478
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Europe GandalfThePimp
Device - longevity, consistency and having even better performances in playoffs and final stages of tourneys, after being labeled as a choker in the beginning of his csgo career. s1mple is second for sure, and has a great path, but Device had a longer peak. Anyways it’s always a hard discussion , I’ve seen many goats through CS, let’s see what these next years bring us.
2023-10-11 13:04
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#482
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Andorra mopGOD420
Btw, how can we force a narrative about simple being the goat? Ah yes! Dont even count 2023! Zywoo top1 and a bad year from simple out of the equation, now we have a much easier time telling lies about simple being goat. We all know zywoo clears, doing way more with much less, in less time, and with less toxicity towards his team and fans. And even if zywoo doesnt make it for you, it would be device over simple anyways. What a waste of readers time this article was
2023-10-11 13:23
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So I supposed you missed all the places where they literally discuss 2023. smh my head
2023-10-11 14:30
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#534
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Andorra mopGOD420
Wtf the fuck? They completely dismiss zywoo's #1 in 2023. I dont care that they discuss 2023 if they're not taking into account that zywoo was the best csgo player in 2023
2023-10-11 17:03
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Ahhhh you’re complaint about them not taking in to account the award that he hasn’t won yet… and won’t change anything because being number 1 is a reflection of all the stuff they had already referred to in the article. Yes, now I understand xD
2023-10-11 20:01
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#569
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Andorra mopGOD420
I understand u not a bright fellow
2023-10-11 20:01
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nt mopDOG420
2023-10-11 20:03
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#571
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Andorra mopGOD420
Nt prokda
2023-10-11 20:04
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#483
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Spain chanSw0w
imo: 1º s1mple 2º Zywoo 3º Device 4º Niko 5º f0rest
2023-10-11 13:24
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#485
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Palestine d1zzy_b
bench s0mple, navi's only solution atm
2023-10-11 13:44
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By talent like ronalidnho is the best football player ever, I have to say f0rest is the Best counter strike player ever and yes, s1mple
2023-10-11 14:20
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How can people say NiKo? He's had multiple slumps in his career. No way he's GOAT.
2023-10-11 14:29
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#504
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Denmark Kon10R
dupreeh is THE most winning cs go player in terms of titles and prize money: 5 Majors, a Grand Slam and 4 ESL Pro league Titles. He attended ALL Majors as the ONLY player in cs go history. Yes: Some "fancy" moments by other superheroes, but when it comes to WINNING, there are NO ONE even close.
2023-10-11 14:55
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The answer is S1mple and it's not even close. CS:GOAT
2023-10-11 14:58
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#516
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Denmark L1ghtn1ng1337
I'd say NiKo and NO, it's not because I'm a G2 fan, it is because he is the few players on the list who doesn't use AWP, which I'd say is more impressive
2023-10-11 15:37
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zywoo
2023-10-11 15:42
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#519
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Brazil jaONzyS
S1mple deserve that
2023-10-11 15:53
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s1mple
2023-10-11 15:56
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#523
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Japan xiq
s1mple ofc bro wtf u mean whos the goat are u dum? loley
2023-10-11 16:03
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Olof was so good in his era, the problem was that HLTV was ass back then.
2023-10-11 16:31
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what you mean exactly with this comment "the problem was that HLTV was ass back then."
2023-10-11 17:18
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1. s0mple 2. d1vorce 3. nik0 4. Zywho
2023-10-11 16:34
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#527
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Sweden JohnnyL
I mean, if u take in to account that f0rest also was one of the best players to ever play CS 1.6, before CS:GO u can take that into account, the guy has been a beast for so damn long.
2023-10-11 16:38
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That's why a lot of people (me included) put f0rest and GTR as some of the best in Counter Strike.
2023-10-11 17:32
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#728
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Sweden JohnnyL
True, but GTR had a few years as one of the best in 1.6, f0rest had like a decade :)
2023-10-20 09:38
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device, f0rest, GTR, dupreeh, ZyWoo, olofm
2023-10-11 16:46
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The s0mple driding never fails. Device won 4 majors vs some of the toughest teams of cs history whereas s0mple won a Mickey mouse post-Covid major with a team having jackz amanek and nexa as the toughest opponent
2023-10-11 16:47
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#530
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Latvia riraie
s1mple without a single question
2023-10-11 16:53
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DEVIGOAT AND DUPREEH
2023-10-11 16:59
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ever? throughout all these cs years its f0rest
2023-10-11 17:04
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#546
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Argentina LuisG
no
2023-10-11 17:40
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dank1ng best player
2023-10-11 17:12
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GOAT
2023-10-11 17:23
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#548
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Brazil 0mega_
NiKo better rating in major playoffs than AWP abusers kkkkkkkkkkkkkk The true GOAT
2023-10-11 17:45
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WTF is doing NiKo between those 3 ?!
2023-10-11 17:56
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simple for sure
2023-10-11 18:00
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Didn't need this whole article just to say dank1ng is the GOAT
2023-10-11 18:01
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dupreeh 5 Majors and most Major appearances is unparalleled
2023-10-11 18:01
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someone should do a poll to see what hltv users answer
2023-10-11 18:22
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Has to be donk
2023-10-11 19:11
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#562
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South America Lruke
In many tops there are always s1mple, ZywOo, even Olofmeister as the best in CSGO history, but none of them achieved what dupreeh achieved, dupreeh is not a CSGO player, he is THE CSGO player, 5 majors, 1 Grand Slam and 4 ESL Pro Leagues, in addition to that, he is the player who has the highest prize money, this is proof that dupreeh is without a doubt THE BEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF CSGO, and I honestly don't give a shit what Say, many are going to say that beasts like s1mple or ZywOo beat them easily, but the day he sees one of these players win more than dupreeh, let him come and tell me.
2023-10-11 19:17
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S1mple, Dev1ce and Get_r1ght zywho??? niko 0 major don't even sit at this table to talk
2023-10-11 19:38
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1.simple 2.device 3.niko 4.zywoo 5.olof 6.cold 7.get_right 8.kennys 9.forest 10.guardian
2023-10-11 19:47
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#1 - Donk Grand Canyon gap # - 2 s1mple
2023-10-11 20:07
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Loving Every Laugh LEL
2023-10-11 22:17
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f0rest goat Zywoo best player in the world atm /closed
2023-10-11 21:11
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Finally article about NiKo.
2023-10-11 22:16
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S1mple
2023-10-11 22:24
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s1mp device zywoo zywoo will dominate cs2 tho
2023-10-11 22:37
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1.6: neo csgo: device 1.6+csgo: f0rest
2023-10-11 22:55
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either devve or s1mple
2023-10-12 01:58
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1. Tom Kruise 2. Oleksandr Zinchenko 3. Misunderstanding
2023-10-12 03:15
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Huge fan of device but i have to agree S1mple was undoubtedly the best in cs:go followed very very closely by Devvking. 1. S1mple 2. Device
2023-10-12 03:26
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g2 its stupid team match fixing right now he dnt deserve for trophy or title just money and money
2023-10-12 03:59
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Dupreeh - Greatest Goat
2023-10-12 04:39
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NOT ZYPOO
2023-10-12 12:45
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#607
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United States usurpator
not top1 but in top3 for sure, the only downside is that hes young compared to others
2023-10-12 14:02
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#606
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Kazakhstan Kadaku
Enough said, facts, closed!
2023-10-12 13:59
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for me is forest the best cs1.5, cs1.6, csgo and cs2 player
2023-10-12 14:22
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#609
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Brazil mibr_BARBAR
1 - Denmark Nicolai "⁠device⁠" Reedtz 2 - Ukraine Oleksandr "⁠s1mple⁠" Kostyliev 3 - Brazil Marcelo "⁠coldzera⁠" David 4 - France Mathieu "⁠ZywOo⁠" Herbaut 5 - Patrik "⁠f0rest⁠" Lindberg
2023-10-12 15:27
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there is only one right answer - dev1ce
2023-10-12 16:09
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FR GOAT
2023-10-12 16:44
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kennys nr1
2023-10-12 16:45
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1. Dev1ce - wins matter while carrying a team, when device gone astralis is no where to be seen. Eyes number 1 - S1mple, it’s just fan watch and truly legendary. the problem is winning and off course it might be related to attitude and team work. next in line, Zywoo. also fan to watch however still need to prove his longevity. he needs to be fit or else his career might be over early:
2023-10-12 18:26
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Fallen every day!!!!
2023-10-12 20:02
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#615
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United States erokmofo
I really hope f0rest wins something in cs2, he's definitely the greatest CS player of all time but I wouldn't pin him as the greatest GO player
2023-10-12 20:02
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Donk me and my hommies hate awp abusers
2023-10-12 21:08
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#627
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Germany sYcore
f0rest is the goat
2023-10-12 22:27
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zywoo is robbed by his age
2023-10-13 00:56
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Greatness and achievements is kind of tied together. This is why you are seeing device mentioned nonstop. Everyone, including himself, knows that Zywoo, niko and s1mple are mechanically better players. Great doesn't mean best. Something which is often being misunderstood in this discussion.
2023-10-13 14:11
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I feel like electronic is forgotten in the honorable mentions cuz he didnt get any mvps cuz s1mple took them all. I think he should be up there if snax and krimz are there.
2023-10-13 04:01
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Damn is this thread salty, I mean the goat is S1mple and everyone thinking something else, is coping so hard or just braindead
2023-10-13 10:54
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greatest=!Best That many of the so-called experts get this wrong, doesn't mean everyone else has to get it wrong as well.
2023-10-13 14:13
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in his case it does not matter, he is the greatest and the best
2023-10-14 10:10
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Ignorance is bliss
2023-10-15 11:35
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sure kiddo
2023-10-16 10:10
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are you 65 or something, since you call me kiddo?
2023-10-16 10:11
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sure kiddo
2023-10-16 12:20
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lol :D kiddos whom celebrate themselves turning older and having some hair on their ballsack call other poeple kiddos thinking they'll have an edge. Age means a lot to them. since they just out grew some of the youngster. They where small all their life now at (24 ? ) its their time to shine step onto the age hierarchy! :D lol It doesnt hold as much value as you think dipshit :D
2023-10-17 12:00
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sure kiddo, I could be your dad
2023-10-17 12:47
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simple was probably the best to have touched csgo but the greatest of all time has gotto be de1vice. this article has those two definitions mixed up. i.e. you can test this yourself. whom do you think should also be placed high on the list ? dupreeh or Niko? If you say Niko you have the definition of the "best player of csgo" list in your head. if you say Dupreeh you have the definition of the "greatest of all time from csgo" list in your head. that test right there exposes what definition you had inmind and the mixup here. even if you didnt want to admit to having one of the definitions because you where pleased with this articles result. claiming there are no two definitions! :D while there clearly is.
2023-10-17 12:06
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device is not the greatest.
2023-10-17 12:48
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holy shit, I just actually read your message, damn, you actually think you are smart, but sry you are not, s1mple is the goat by a mile or two, just because you are a hater you dont need to write a comment in children language, your whole comment can be summarized in a few words: I hate s1mple so I have to prop up device somehow.
2023-10-18 10:59
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ehmm the only hate I feel right now are from your words. I mean read back what you wrote. also its written with big hands on a small phone with words anyone can understand. it seems like you feel offended by it. after writing, like, this, all, the time, yourself. seeing you came back at me with zero reason no argument then its clear.
2023-10-18 11:02
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get a life bro, there is a world outside of hltv, damn
2023-10-18 11:03
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I know got a job, friends, daughter, wife, do sports etc Mate if you see someone voice his/her opinion because he firmly disagrees with the written article then that doesnt mean he/she doesnt have a life. again you are the one stalking me and claims I have no life xDDD whahahaha
2023-10-18 11:08
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replying after 5min on hltv, kinda sus dude
2023-10-21 11:16
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If we're talking overall? Device. Last 5 years? S1mple First 5? Flusha
2023-10-13 12:17
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#655
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Italy AlCapone1925
Device Forest Simple Coldzera zywoo
2023-10-13 13:30
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why coldzera above xi wu? Major wins?
2023-10-16 18:04
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#665
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United Kingdom FNC_TOP_1
JW > all
2023-10-13 17:39
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dev1ce is the greatest of all time.
2023-10-13 17:45
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yeah indeed. longest at the top, also high on mvps. dominant team era, meta defining even. 4x major wins and IGS. I mean the thropies dont come close to that of the runner up simple. who does have highest peaks per map (probably more deaths too). device has great individual teamplay skills while simples are average. simple does have #1 HLTV top20 ranking placements but one year was arguably seeing only selfish stats are measured for the HLTV top20. ofcourse simple does outshine dev1ce here in terms of nr.1 placements. not longevity at the top though. This year needs to be counted still as well. In conclusion Simple is probably csgo best player to have touched the game. dev1ce is the greatest of all time when it comes to csgo. but this article mixes the best and goat up.
2023-10-17 11:54
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idk why NiKo is in the conversation of the GOAT? LOL
2023-10-14 17:58
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#686
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
forsaken | 
Singapore D1v1ne
The best player isn't necessarily the greatest player. The best player, just based on the stats and longevity, is s1mple ahead of zywoo and NiKo. But the greatest player, the player who achieved the most, would be device ahead of olof imo. These are very different arguments as a whole - to me, the greatest player needs a combination of titles and personal play. The discrepancy between the top accolades of the top DK/SWE teams and s1mple's teams is too big to just push the titles to the side imo.
2023-10-14 22:17
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exactly +1 this article has those definitions mixes up.
2023-10-17 11:56
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#688
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World doh
S1mple.. no question !
2023-10-15 06:24
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Allu
2023-10-15 21:16
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Probably simple, but would've zywoo undoubtedly if cs:go had 1-2 more years left. Zywoo same amount of majors and just 5 less MVP's in almost half simple's career.
2023-10-16 03:10
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What is NiKo doing in this picture? ROFL
2023-10-16 14:51
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#696
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Twistzz | 
Sweden DiTzZ
No contest, really; s1mple #1 for sure!
2023-10-16 15:00
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respect for Get_Right to make a list full of awpers / hybrid players. yes i saw NiKo and f0rest picking secondary awps frequently.
2023-10-17 02:28
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#700
Faceit level 10  | 
m0NESY | 
Norway fragger3333
so much copium here 😂
2023-10-17 10:21
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simple was probably the best to have touched csgo but the greatest of all time has gotto be de1vice. this article has those two definitions mixed up. i.e. you can test this yourself. whom do you think should also be placed high on the list ? dupreeh or Niko? If you say Niko you have the definition of the "best player of csgo" list in your head. if you say Dupreeh you have the definition of the "greatest of all time from csgo" list in your head. that test right there exposes what definition you had inmind and the mixup here. even if you didnt want to admit to having one of the definitions because you where pleased with this articles result. claiming there are no two definitions! :D while there clearly is.
2023-10-17 12:07
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hahahahaha, do you realize that you just spam this forum with useless comments because you are mad about expert opinions? what a sad person you must be
2023-10-18 11:02
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I disagree with these experts because they got the definition all wrong. we are all human mate mistakes happen. when you disagree you can voice your opinion with reason that is what a forum is made for. but you do realize you are stalking me with hate (according to you a sad person). then how sad must you be? :D
2023-10-18 11:06
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its funny that you know things better...even tho you are wrong, very wrong
2023-10-21 11:17
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A perfectly simple answer - S1mple
2023-10-17 12:23
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Niko 0 majors, 0 TOP 1, he is NOT in the conversation
2023-10-17 12:30
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allu
2023-10-17 12:46
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For me its always niko
2023-10-17 13:24
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s1mple wins stats, but device wins championships
2023-10-17 21:41
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#729
Faceit level 10  | 
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Ukraine Xe0m
definitely not simple because he showed up only in 2016, device was tier 1 player all the way, olof is a good pick also
2023-10-20 09:41
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