Valve releases Major seeding ranking update

25-11-2024 18:07

The 24 teams competing in the Major have been split into two stages.

G2 are the No.1 ranked team in the VRS heading into the Major

Valve has released the last Regional Rankings (VRS) before the Shanghai Major kicks off. This update is used to determine not only the eight teams advancing straight to the Elimination Stage but also the match-ups for the first round of the Opening Stage.

Check out HLTV's live-updated implementation of the Valve Regional Standings here.

The seeding process will follow the results of the previous Major, with each region assigned certain seeds based on how its teams performed in Copenhagen.

This is the reason why the top-eight ranked teams in Europe will skip the first stage and that, for example, The MongolZ have only the 15th-highest seed overall, even though they are ranked fifth in the world in the VRS.

Valve admits to "unfortunate miscommunication" in Major seeding debacle

3DMAX snatched the final spot in the Elimination Stage, taking advantage of Eternal Fire and SAW's slip-ups in the RMR. The highest-ranked team in the world heading into the Major is G2, followed by Natus Vincere and Vitality.

Below you can find the seeding for the Elimination Stage:

1. G2
2. Natus Vincere
3. Vitality
4. Spirit
5. MOUZ
6. FaZe
7. HEROIC
8. 3DMAX

As for the Opening Stage, the seeding is:

1. FURIA
2. Virtus.pro
3. Liquid
4. Complexity
5. BIG
6. fnatic
7. The MongolZ
8. paiN
9. GamerLegion
10. MIBR
11. Cloud9
12. FlyQuest
13. Passion UA
14. Wildcard
15. Rare Atom
16. Imperial

Based on this update, these should be the first-round match-ups in the Opening Stage. Perfect World is expected to confirm this information shortly:

FURIA vs GamerLegion
Virtus.pro vs MIBR
Liquid vs Cloud9
Complexity vs FlyQuest
BIG vs Passion UA
fnatic vs Wildcard
The MongolZ vs Rare Atom
paiN vs Imperial

3DMAX LEGENDS XAXAXAXAXA

2024-11-25 18:07

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Deserved.

2024-11-25 18:11

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oh yeah im not denying they do unlike bug clan

2024-11-25 18:13

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which bug did they use this time?

2024-11-25 18:17

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relax buddy theyre not mayonnaisy

2024-11-25 18:27

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True, they're BUG Clan, org known only from peaking rank when abusing BUG, unlike Mayonnaisy 1v5'ing AWP god

2024-11-25 21:35

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I remember m0nesy bug abuse do you?

2024-11-25 22:23

> abusing bug in 2017 > peaking #1 in 2020 now make it make sense

2024-11-25 22:41

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#1 in 2020 makes sense just like NaVi Javelins #32

2024-11-25 22:51

Imagine still hating a team for using a bug 7 years ago, that pro players like Niko had already been abusing in semi-finals and shit. Typical NA L when it comes to CS.

2024-11-25 22:45

#1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7 & #21

2024-11-25 18:14

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and VP is #12 but 3dmax qualify over them??

2024-11-25 18:53

They use the Volvo Ranking, where 3DMAX is #13 and VP is #16

2024-11-25 18:56

Yes but 3DMAX is ranked higher in the Eu Valve Ranking hltv.org/valve-ranking/teams/2024/novemb..

2024-11-25 19:02

beta ranking with hidden details unlike hltv one

2024-11-25 19:26

hltv.org/valve-ranking/teams/2024/novemb..

2024-11-25 18:58

hltv.org/matches/2377041/g2-vs-3dmax-per..

2024-11-25 19:07

I am AMAZED

2024-11-25 18:18

They wins all T2 Tournaments

2024-11-25 18:23

What did they win?

2024-11-25 18:48

WAIT WHAT

2024-11-25 18:36

they're a good team bro idk why people think they suck

2024-11-25 18:40

I guess its just that people dont want a repeat of blast major, 3 tier 2 teams made it to top 8

2024-11-25 18:41

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and deservedly so

2024-11-25 19:08

yeah but that doesn't look like it's gonna happen this time unless something CRAZY happens

2024-11-25 19:28

I mean, they won their bo3 against the #1 team in the Valve rankings (g2), so ofc they're gonna go to legends over BiG, they reached their legend spot fair and square

Its not about who they beat, its just about the Valve Ranking, where 3DMAX is the 4th highest ranked team that made it trough RMR B.

2024-11-25 19:04

Yeah and they absolutely deserve it.

2024-11-25 20:47

S1mple GOAT

1-3'd out of the RMRs

2024-11-25 18:09

bumping this so someone can explain to me why mongolz arent #1 seed in opening stage?

2024-11-25 20:49

good question

2024-11-25 23:42

Good question actually

2024-11-26 03:58

2024-11-26 06:04

As I understand it, it depends on the results of the regional teams at the last major. For example, in Copenhagen pain finished with the score 2-3. Thanks to this the 1st seed in the opening stage got the highest ranked American team - FURIA. This surprised me a lot too, because I thought the results of the last major only decided how many slots each region would get.

2024-11-27 13:10

Thanks, seems weird to not just do slots in each stage and then use current VRS for seeding. Like people are mad BIG didnt make the next stage but I actually think thats perfectly fine since their ranking is so low but mongolz should be highest in the opening stage

2024-11-27 14:23

WIN!!!

2024-11-25 18:08

Lets goo

deserved spot for 3dmax

really again BIG vs Passion UA?

Don't worry Passion will win, it's BO1

they won 5/5 first maps in rmr

2024-11-25 21:06

RARE ATOM EASY 0-3

2024-11-25 18:10

Easily the worst team at the Major. SAW or EF would annihilate them 100/100 times.

2024-11-25 21:57

beating Mongolz hasn't been a problem for RA lately tho...

2024-11-26 00:52

always talking early.. let's see now

2024-11-26 03:00

What ? Stealing positions cuz big money org ???

"The seeding process will follow the results of the previous Major"

2024-11-25 18:38

after they had one whole group finished and 2 teams already "qualified" in rmr B for the elimination stage to change rules is unheard of and would NEVER work in normal sports and thats one of the biggest reasons why Esports will not be seen as a normal sports for years to come. the whole Competitive Integrity is in shambles for this major from now on

2024-11-25 19:12

They never changed the rules, Perfect World fucked up, relwx. There's a path for BIG to make it anyway and then it's moot.

2024-11-25 19:30

i mean valve fucked up and even admitted it. why you still say its not the case? that there is no bigger outrage is insane. its only because the "fan favorites" got their spot. you could not do such thing anywhere else. you just call the CAS and its over. why do the teams that have read the PW rulebook (approved by valve) will now get a disadvantage? what is this in the first place. we have 2 huge francise leagues (ESL & Blast) which inflate the VRS with free points for everyone invold. so if you are a really good team but cant compete in any of those leagues cause its nearly impossible to do so ( specially with blast events) so the orgs with a lot of money get free invites for the RMR's and now they get favored again even if they play shit like spirit the last matches. that means that you emphazise any team which is in the VRS ranking on the 1-8 spot just to relax and play like shit in the RMRs cause it doesnt matter for them anyways they can go 3-2 and save strats which will fuck up the swiss system and upcomming matches. The whole VRS is fucked and bad for for a fair sport. edit: i really dont get it the system is so wrong and manipulated from prizemoney its insane. because i have a german flag i really dont care if its big or any other team. Im really happy for 3dmax that they got the legends spot cause they deserved it fair and square. Spirit on the other hand didnt and should play the opening stage

2024-11-25 19:47

Nobody liked the decider because it's influenced by the Buchholz system which spits out "random matchups" because big team got all the minnows and struggled to beat em while the minnows ran amok on the bracket and suddenly it's Sprout against fucking Cybershoke for a spot in Legends. Elo system (used in Majors in 2019 and will be used again in Pro League next year) is confusing. VRS favors teams higher up the rankings to get invited over and over again. Yet each system does what it's supposed to, is working but gets exposed. And as for prize money, it's shit now but should get better as the Tier distinctions take shape and stop rewarding teams winning big prize pools on events that have next to no competition (other than events skipped because the schedule is so condensed)

2024-11-25 20:36

pog 3dmax rip bug clan only change is big+vp -> heroic+spirit

goated commennt, didnt want to check that myself

2024-11-25 19:24

succinctly

2024-11-26 08:29

justice for 3dmax

C9 beats Liquid and Passion UA beats BIG

Dream more, Liquid will humble clown9 as always

years of being a liquid fan have taught me that we can lose to anyone

2024-11-26 09:37

This version of Liquid only loses to Vitality, Faze and G2.

2024-11-26 17:33

hltv.org/matches/2376931/liquid-vs-wildc.. i wish that was true

2024-11-26 18:22

I'd call it an unfortunate turn of events.

2024-11-26 22:57

Feel bad for BIG

Yeah, this feels bad. With this way it should in theory be possible for a team that went 3-0 with 52-0 (+52) rounds in rmr vs highest ranked teams gets opening stage while a team with 4-2 and 104-166 (-62) rounds vs lowest ranked teams can go to elimination stage all because they had more vrs points

2024-11-25 19:00

That's why Shanghai is the last major with rmr qualification

2024-11-25 20:38

maybe if they wouldnt suck whole year the situation would be diffrent

2024-11-25 21:07

and exactly that, its the worst and saddest outcome dedicated to the players, what they could let in thier heads right now.... In a moment when they should be rewarded and feel even more powerful and scary to other teams. They were robbed of these "powerups" and the tournament lost it as well. I just hope that guys are able to convert this situation and make the story even more outstanding. W

2024-11-26 00:26

Vive la France!

tf is that match-ups?? The MongolZ vs Rare Atom paiN vs Imperial BIG vs Passion UA

Ez rare atom 0-3 pick

"So we opted to trade some frustration now with having better matchups at the Major."

2024-11-25 18:24

Before the update u had flyquest vs ra. Now u can put RA on 0-3 at least

deserve for 3dmax it's a shame that the new logo just has to ruin everything

MongolZ as 15th seed overall makes no sense but otherwise this looks good/fair.

2024-11-25 18:12

I don't understand why?

2024-11-25 18:15

because they finished in 0-3 in the last major as best APAC team, so 15-16, and they are APAC 1st seed

2024-11-25 18:45

What does APAC stands for?

2024-11-25 19:25

Asstralis Plastered At Shangai

2024-11-25 20:39

thank you for the genuine laugh

2024-11-26 09:57

Asia-PACific

2024-11-25 22:25

I think decision makers are still underestimating us. Wait till we 3-0 Navi in the final

2024-11-25 18:57

G2 your time is now 👍

So who is it that stole the spot from BIG? Heroic?

mr "nearly shit the bed 3-2" spirit

mr "1xbet is my main sponsor" spirit

2024-11-25 18:54

Heroic did not have to play a decider vs vp

2024-11-25 18:30

0-3DMAX ez diamond pickem

Silver coiner.

2024-11-25 18:35

their 1st game will be vs the worst advancing team from the opening stage

2024-11-25 18:50

Easy win for Passion UA

Big fucking robbed

They never deserved it to begin with

2024-11-25 18:46

they did. if you go 3-0 you derserve it,

If you suck ass whole year you dont deserve to be at the major. They are lucky to be here

2024-11-25 21:09

flukes shouldn't deserve anything. earn it throughout the year, not from three games.

2024-11-25 21:29

That's why it is a good move to go away from these rmrs so that upset lovers don't get a chance for such rants

2024-11-25 23:29

JUSTICE FOR BIG

crazy

BiG not in top16 lets gooooooooo

How spirit is there if they had 4-2?

why vp challengers :(

GamerLegion u got this against KEKRIA

2024-11-25 18:16

3DMAX win this

imagine get 3-0 and no legends AHAHAHHH

With a team that went 4-2 replacing you

2024-11-25 18:21

easy to imagine flukes not deserving a spot and consistent good throughout the year teams deserving it.

2024-11-25 21:32

WTF Valve is doing. According the their matchups it's better to be team 8 and not team 1. LOL Usually you are making matches like 1-16, 2-15... 8-9, and NOT like 1-9, 2-10... 8-16

2024-11-25 18:19

For whatever genius reason the first round of Swiss is 1v 9 2 v 10 etc.

seeding was changed a while ago, it's the first major to do so

copenhagen was using the exact same system

2024-11-25 18:32

I meant it's not the first major to do so, ty for correction

you're right and that would be the way if there was possible rematches, with no rematches and starting with 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15 etc it is more likely that the 9th and 10th seed have easier matchups than 7th and 8th seed (since they meet in the 1st game and can't meet again)

This was changed in previous, Copenhagen major, because in the end, if all favorites win, now we will have 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 to the next round, when with the old(1-16;2-15;3-14...) system, if all favorites would win, we would have 2-1-3-4-7-5-6-11, so you see that it's worse with old system.

2024-11-25 20:04

The result of a lazy and stupid attempt to fix the flawed system that is Buchholz.

2024-11-25 20:43

what in the mickey mouse bullshit makes mongolz 5th seed in the first round? Why would region spots effect the actual seeding?

Sad for VP missing out on Legends by ONE spot in EU, but 3DMAX deserved that spot.

BIG scammed

the amount of clueless people in the comments... its not like this system is implemented for the first time, we had all of this in the past major and people still dont understand

2024-11-25 18:20

And you don't understand that the rules were different for the 4 Shanghai RMRs played before and even after 80% of the EU RMR B. You don't change the rules after 90% of the matches of all RMRs have played. This is not about whether the rules are good or bad. It's about not changing fundamental rules in the middle of a tournament. Or should the Premier League simply count the results of the previous season instead of counting wins and draws after matchday 30? Valve has outed itself as a completely incompetent and dubious company. How the hell is it even possible that a company like Valve only realizes after almost 4 weeks that the RMR is being played with the wrong rules?

2024-11-25 18:37

cope

Rare atom / flyquest 0-3

Thank you to the writers for acknowledging Mongolz VRS seed

2024-11-25 18:22

Lets goooooo 3DMAXXXXXXX Still sad for big tho :/

Spirit got Legends 'cause they got 3-2 and is better team BiG got Elimination 'cause they got 3-0 and is worse team What you don't understand? :D

Spirit getting rewarded for nearly choking making it to the major in general seems fair yeah

2024-11-25 18:44

how many tournaments did big win through the year?

2024-11-26 03:05

Spirit 4-2 straight to the legend stage. NAUR

why do they seed #1 vs #9 and then going downwards... wouldnt it make sense to have #1 play #16, #2 vs #15 and so on?

check out this thread, it has some logic behind it when we don't allow rematches x.com/messioso/status/164438965894237389..

2024-11-25 18:59

#162

2024-11-25 20:44

Imperial worst seed? I aren't thinking that

Is that really the "better matchups for the major"?

What are these matchups and how are mongolz lower seeded. Wtf

Valve you have said you will take responsibility for the fraud against BIG. We're still waiting to see exactly what that responsibility looks like. Or was that ridiculous interview yesterday everything?

2024-11-25 18:26

I heard the Germans are getting punished because a German streamer exploited the rules of the Asian RMR. Deserved imo.

2024-11-25 18:28

Their statement was taking responsibility. They have already done it by admitting fault. Do you not understand English or what?

2024-11-25 20:41

Heroic elimination stage, old heroic taking vacations

3DMAX legends stage lol

Why n1 seeding is still playing number 8 instead of 16? It remains dumb and the excuse of "preventing a mess if good team get upset" has been proved false in the RMR B. It's funny that the thing they should be using the ranking for they do it incorrectly.

2024-11-25 18:29

Cuz swiss design try to qualify teams with his score, not eliminate. Thats the base of this sistem.

2024-11-25 20:06

justice for 3DMax

2024-11-25 18:31

BIG robbed fr

2024-11-25 18:33

very cool for 3dmax

BIG robbed

You can't actually make an argument that BIG deserves legend stage when all year they were shit not making any play-off apperance on tier 1 tournaments Imagine defending BIG a team that has lots of money (and despite that they have no results) for not getting into legend stage after beating only 1 good team (Heroic) in a bo1 and 2 other teams that are 50+ in world ranking On another note I would've been more disappointed if 3dmax would have not made it to the legend stage, that's the team that really deserves the legend stage and they got it, good job to them

Nice for 3DMAX

I just dont understand how spirit seeding 7th in the rmr qualification directly goes to elimination stage, Like how is this even possible. Its crazy how this VRS takes precedence and not how they qualified

spirit all year was in top5 you're just stupid

2024-11-25 19:35

G2 nr 1 lol, Valve is delulu

mongolz 15th seed i mean we all know they place higher but it is what it is

Asia vs Asia???

3DMAX is #8 seed and #13 in the world according to VRS? The fuck??

Spirit and Heroic doesn't deserve stage skip tbh

onggghg this is some bs

2024-11-25 18:43

agreed BIG deserves it more

2024-11-25 18:55

"So we opted to trade some frustration now with having better matchups at the Major." So we're doing the same matches again - brilliant Valve. Really brilliant.

2024-11-25 18:42

Extremely deserved legends spot for 3DMAX atleast. They beat G2 for it, they deserve it.

g2 will win major, mark my words

3DMAX hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

3DMAX get legends with thé best seeding possible Will fight de last in seeding, all planneed

2024-11-25 18:47

Rare atom Mongolz lets go

2024-11-25 18:52

Looks fairly accurate to me. Only thing I’d swap is 3dmax for liquid.

#JUSTICEFORBIG

Passion UA vs BIG again ?

Can someone explain the seeding? How are mongolz #5 world and not #1 in opening stage I understand why they wont skip a stage but not exact seeding

2024-11-25 19:01

because valve made it so the results of the previous major make the seeding for the next one, so if the best asian team ended 12th last time, the best ranked team that qualified fot the next major will hold the 4th seed in the opening stage

2024-11-25 19:05

I am dumb, why it will be the 4th seed instead of any other number?

2024-11-26 06:13

the seeding for this major copies the standings from the last major, example: best asian team finished 15th overall last time (mongolz), so that means the best asian team this time is placed in that exact seeding possition at this major (15th overall=7th in the opening stage)

2024-11-26 11:05

Because of their region being low ranked because of last major. They are only first seed of their region

2024-11-25 19:06

BIG CLAN ROBBED REPORTED ALREADY

G2 at 1 🤢🤢🤢🤢

Please not Passion again, we like them :(

2024-11-25 19:03

#FREEBIG #GABENBIGFATBULLY #PROTEST #BOYCOTT #VIVALARÉSISTANCE

Hello Volvo why navi top 2? where i can report this comapny

Please no MR12 BO1s.

Poland deadass region once again hell nah

2024-11-25 19:09

please don't get exposed game 1 fnatic

2024-11-25 19:11

VP KEKW

2024-11-25 19:16

BIG scammed so hard

2024-11-25 19:17

t3 onliners in legend ok cancel bo1 is a joke

2024-11-25 19:31

BIG got fckd hard but tbh I agree with the elimination stage teams. I wouldn't change it

Why top 8 seed get Top 16 and top 1 seed get top 9? makes absolutely no sense.

2024-11-25 19:51

nice

2024-11-25 20:02

Would love how the fuck they managed to make Rare Atom have better seeding than Imperial, it makes absolutely NO SENSE

because furia finished in last place in Copenhagen, that's how Valve made it work

2024-11-25 21:04

I was angry with this new change, and actually I am still angry, because they changed during the event, which is imo bad, but only change is that BIG would have been in Elimination, when Spirit would have been in Opening, so we don't have a lot of changes, but it is what it is, we will still watch it, doesn't matter which system we will have.

2024-11-25 20:11

stay angry

2024-11-26 03:51

why is imp ranked last?

2024-11-25 20:12

Due to valve ranks

still waiting for valve to "take the responsibility"...however that is supposed to look like...

does anyone have a clue how is furia top 8 hltv and 1st in Oppeining stage by VRS?

2024-11-25 20:45

Well, They are different rankings?

2024-11-25 21:13

i mean how are they so high

2024-11-26 17:20

BIG robbed big time

2024-11-25 20:58

curious how this will look next major with no RMRs

Bullshit ranking. HLTV ranking is better.

2024-11-25 21:19

Mongolz v Rare Atom Round 1 is criminal

2024-11-25 21:22

Some real dumb stuff here. They say VRS takes precedence over RMR result, and somehow MongolZ dont get an elimination spot, after being 5th in VRS? Its completely ridiculous to have an RMR, your ranking previous to the RMR, and then your regions placing at the previous major all affecting where you start the major. Why have an RMR then? MongolZ robbed

2024-11-25 22:10

VAMO IMPERIAL!!!!

2024-11-25 22:13

lol, Asian conflict. rA vs. Mongolz.

2024-11-25 22:17

Brazilian too - PaiN vs Imperial

2024-11-26 00:28

at least 3:0 teams put directly in major... this is bs

2024-11-25 22:40

will vp ever not get fucked by things out of their control

2024-11-25 22:54

VRS what a joke lol g2 is not 1# team at all, so navi win major and goes to 6 grand finals in a row with 3 won and somehow g2 is #1? ya valve is confirmed retareded with this and then these half baked changes mid rmr. what a mickey mouse major

2024-11-25 22:55

this is lame

2024-11-25 23:51

Someone needs to come out and explain these rankings and seedings to the public, because it doesn’t make any sense, PaiN is one place below VP in the vrs and somehow only has the 8th seed while VP has the 2nd seed, and I don’t understand how Imperial has the lowest seed even though they’re higher ranked than 4 or 5 of the other teams.

2024-11-26 01:24

valve ranking is different than hltv ranking

2024-11-26 03:52

I know that, what is your point?

We need answers from who made these decisions on the seeding system, how is the mongolz 5th in the world rankings and only 7th seed in the opening stage? And if the reason is the last major how do we have two american teams in the bottom three seeds if the four worst teams in Copenhagen were all European teams?????

2024-11-26 01:43