ESL forces teams to choose Rio or Atlanta qualifier due to "fairness to all participants" *

ESL mandated that the two qualifiers must have mutually exclusive teams.

nitr0's NRG chose to compete in the Atlanta qualifier

Update August 21, 10:10 : ESL provides explanation

In a comment on the decision on X, SVP Game Ecosystems at ESL FACEIT Group Ulrich Schulze said the following:

"Ensuring that teams do not play in qualifiers for events that overlap, i.e. they cannot attend both, is not about reducing opportunities nor is it about extra work for ESL admins. It is about fairness to all participating teams in the qualifiers.

"If a team played in both qualifiers, won one of them and won or progressed far in the other qualifier, it would be unfair to any team they beat along the way in the qualifier of the event they ultimately did not attend. Simply inviting the runner-up of that qualifier would not solve for this.

"I understand how this may be a source of frustration for teams affected, but they would very likely be equally frustrated if they were on the other side of the situation I described above."


The team lists for the North America IEM Rio and ESL Challenger Atlanta closed qualifiers have been finalized following the conclusion of the open qualifiers.

FLUFFY AIMERS and LAG join invited sides Liquid and Legacy OCE in the battle for a spot in Rio, while NRG and Party Astronauts will face Nouns and Wildcard for a chance to play on home turf in Georgia, USA.

ESL Challenger Atlanta is scheduled to run from October 4-6 and IEM Rio from October 7-13, leaving insufficient overlap for teams playing in the first event to arrive in time for the latter.

However, the NA closed qualifiers for the tournaments do not overlap and are scheduled for August 29-30 and August 31 - September 1, respectively.

Rather than allow teams to attempt to qualify for both tournaments and, in case one team qualifies for both, force them to pick between them, ESL mandated that teams had to pick the qualifier they wanted to compete in, including teams who were invited and those who advanced through the open qualifiers.

NRG and Party Astronauts made it through the open brackets for both events but were forced to pick which closed stage they would compete in, with a third-place decider match played in the second Rio open qualifier to determine an extra replacement team ahead of Party Astronauts' decision.

ESL's directive has been poorly received and openly criticized by teams and players in North America as it further reduces the already limited opportunities for upcoming teams to compete in international tournaments, particularly with both events taking place in the Americas.

The team lists for the qualifiers are:

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#1
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Sweden KhaZix
That sucks. I want to see nitr0 on LAN
2024-08-21 00:39
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#18
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Serbia Dinarska_divizija
Better chance of that in Atlanta tbh
2024-08-21 03:13
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#40
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Sweden ChiperoG
wildcard and nouns both clear but yeah bigger chance still.
2024-08-21 13:50
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4 replies
Nouns don't, Wildcard vs NRG matches are always really close
2024-08-21 15:46
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#44
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Sweden ChiperoG
junior>both of our CS scenes together.
2024-08-21 15:47
0
2 replies
True, but is having the goat enough if he's playing 1v5?
2024-08-21 15:48
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1 reply
#48
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Sweden ChiperoG
Guess we have to wait and see.
2024-08-21 16:12
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#2
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United States 1Tuurtle
Really dumb choice from esl Ngl. Nrg and pa could’ve made the rio cq at least competitive, unlike fa and lag who will probably get 10 rounds combined against legacy and liquid
2024-08-21 00:41
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#13
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United States B0b3rT
Yeah this is such a lame decision
2024-08-21 02:22
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#46
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Turkey C31C3
lag is good
2024-08-21 15:50
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#47
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United States 1Tuurtle
not really Experative is super mid Weeza is kinda bad rayxt looks good but it's early nicx and ogwizard are good, but that doesn't mean much. They certainly won't beat Liquid or Legacy
2024-08-21 16:06
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2 replies
#50
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Turkey C31C3
i want them to succeed so ef get this guy over majer
2024-08-21 16:56
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#53
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United States 1Tuurtle
is he igling? I honestly didn't know he started calling after based left. that said he probably needs to replace weeza. He's whatever for the level lag's at he's passable but if they want to be an ECL playoffs team then they need someone better.
2024-08-21 19:32
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#4
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Sweden vetten
They aren't even the same dates. ESL are so dumb I swear
2024-08-21 00:42
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#16
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States ruskininja
If one of those teams makes the grand final if Atlanta, the only way that they make the opening stage of the Rio is to run to the airport immediately after ending the final of Atlanta. Maybe they can make match 1 if they only sleep on the plane (skipping the media day is guaranteed).
2024-08-21 03:07
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That makes no sense at all. Have your fun now ESL cuz next year daddy valve is dictating this shit. The valve rules aren't perfect, but at least there ARE rules
2024-08-21 00:43
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1 reply
XD keep dreaming bud, valve aint gona do shit
2024-08-23 11:33
0
damn thats stupid
2024-08-21 00:48
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#49
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Miami | 
Sweden SavageSven
Even with the update about "fairness for all players" it doesn't make sense. If you lost to a better team, feels bad man. You should have won. There is no competitive integrity in forcing teams to play in one or the other because you're too inept to schedule Atlanta and Rio so they don't overlap...
2024-08-21 16:30
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#7
podi | 
Ukraine IAFNN
meanwhile b8 in eu: "silence, boys, let's hope they don't notice us"
2024-08-21 00:52
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#14
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Europe kuu1
What did they do? Are they also chasing the two tournaments or what?
2024-08-21 02:27
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3 replies
they are in both rio and atlanta qualifiers
2024-08-21 03:33
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#36
podi | 
Ukraine IAFNN
they are in exact same position as nrg and PA
2024-08-21 09:27
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#37
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Europe kuu1
Then there are two possibilities: 1. They will be allowed to play in both qualifiers and, if they get through both they will be forced to choose one of the tournaments with the spot for the other given to the next team from the respective qualifier; that would be unfair for PA and NRG; 2. There will be a new announcement similar to this one coming up forcing them to play in a single qualifier, with the spot for the other qualifier given to whoever they beat last in the online qualifier for the other event.
2024-08-21 09:32
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For anyone whining, tell me how a team playing in the Grand Final of Atlanta can make it to Rio in 24 hours when Media day is on the same day as Atlanta Final. Go on, I wait. ESL needed to schedule this better anyway, I share your pain cause BIG's in Atlanta but cannot even attempt to go to Rio, putting more pressure on us to perform in the Showdown and RMRs or else we are already out of Tier 1 events after Pro League in mid September.
2024-08-21 01:18
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#10
Faceit level 10 HLTV Verified  | 
Canada Nohte - HLTV.org
Did you even read the post?
2024-08-21 01:24
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#17
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United States ruskininja
You're the author, I'd hope you've read it. "ESL Challenger Atlanta is scheduled to run from October 4-6 and IEM Rio from October 7-13, leaving insufficient overlap for teams playing in the first event to arrive in time for the latter."
2024-08-21 03:13
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#21
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France andyj
That's not the point, the point is that they aren't able to play both online qualifiers when there is no overlap, that's stupid
2024-08-21 04:27
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Gies to show ESL thinks those teams can make it to both events then. That's a compliment.
2024-08-21 07:32
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#51
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France andyj
I guess they think b8 are awful then since ESL haven't forced them to pick between the two qualifiers
2024-08-21 18:34
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Well, relatively to the rest of the teams in the qualifiers... I mean, there are SAW and NiP for Atlanta and only 1 slot and Heroic, EF and 3dmax for Rio, but there are 2 slots. Very unlikely they take both of them. I'm obviously just joking around here, but still
2024-08-21 18:41
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#29
Faceit level 10 HLTV Verified  | 
Canada Nohte - HLTV.org
Yes, and after that?
2024-08-21 07:55
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I did and I blame ESL for not leaving a travel day in the first place, prompting this decision to be made. One could go further and say it was clear from the get go that whoever plays in Atlanta was not going to Rio the following week. But now that we are in this situation it was sadly also the only call ESL could make in advance. Again it's either bad scheduling or fully intended but to have overlap (not actual events but from a POV of looking at only their travel and media schedules) with one of your own events, especially when that event is an IEM directly after a Challenger? That's rough. It already was bad that Melbourne had overlap with Pro League which denied us seeing a lot of capable teams making it over there while Jonköping worked because Blast took the Top 7 and SAW out of the pool and those were never the target invites anyway. As such, any team choosing Atlanta - which is especially rough for a team like ODDIK who won the SA CQ but miss out on a chance to play on home soil against Tier 1 - was forced to skip Rio and the one affected the most by this are BetBoom and BIG. M80 and FlyQuest have RMRs to look forward to after this. If BIG mess up in these next 3 events (with BB only in Dacha), our Tier 1 season is over after Pro League as neither team performed or is extremely likely to get an invite for f.e. Thunderpick due to potentially clashing schedules. P much the only reason I see BIG go for this is a confidence boost to try and prove themselves among similar competition again but unless Elisa or RES or TPick come knocking OR we qualify and upset in the Fall Final to thsn make the World Final (that still need to be postponed or pushed forward due to RMRs and still needs a location announced) OR we qualify for RMRs then we have next to nothing to play in on LAN. TLDR I can defend ESL that they made this call but it was the only possible call to begin with and they put themselves in an unfavorable position on teams competing in NA, surely the same will have been said to EU teams in the Rio and Atlanta qualifiers.
2024-08-21 06:38
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#11
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Egypt BomberMan_
I guess they didnt expect teams could qualify/want to play in both? Otherwise you dont have any other big org running events. You got an Elisa, Thunderpick, RES LANs that are at best maybe t1.5 level equal to atlanta, but dont have EPL spot invite like atlanta.
2024-08-21 01:28
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"I guess they didnt expect teams want to play in both?" yeah it's not like most teams would like to attend all available events right
2024-08-21 08:07
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#32
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Egypt BomberMan_
I dont question ESL's genius (btw they did fuck up the quarterfinals by having the old bombplant money lol so nothing is beneath them).
2024-08-21 08:09
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#12
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Canada minibeech
NRG and PA qualifed for rio closed, but i understand their choice. They'd just be setting themselves up for failure against Liquid. Atlanta they'd actually have a chance.
2024-08-21 02:19
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Nrg has a good shot
2024-08-22 09:39
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#15
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Vietnam pedropolo
this will be normal in 2025 when many events have overlap schedule. atleast we have chances to adapt it this year xD.
2024-08-21 02:39
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#19
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Brazil Heineck
What is the point of being a decent team, winning two qualifiers if you’re gonna be forced to forfeit one of them
2024-08-21 03:17
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ESL Wtf?
2024-08-21 04:36
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i love saudi cs
2024-08-21 05:20
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#24
Faceit level 7  | 
Guam LVTHEONE
What is this confusion honestly? Honestly, playing for home soil in LAN would be cool for Nitr0.
2024-08-21 06:07
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i will be enjoying betting on 1.000006 odds on nitro
2024-08-21 06:38
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They also gave direct invite to legacy in the CQ while Legacy has been lowly ranked then Nouns, PA, NRG for a long time
2024-08-21 07:17
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This makes complete sense, it completely voids the chance of any team qualifying for both so less work later on to replace them Why the fuck are people whining, what is the point of qualifers if you just have to get rid of the qualifying team and make else invite a random team arbitrarily basically
2024-08-21 08:02
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how do you overlap your own events jesus christ
2024-08-21 08:23
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#34
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United States sziasztok
What a dumb scenario. ESL scheduled 2 events, their open quals, and their closed quals at the exact same times. It should be obvious to say that any team not already participating in one of the LANs would likely be participating in both qualifiers, and then take their pick should they qualify for both. So fucking stupid to punish the teams that were good enough to make both closed quals AFTER the fact that they made both quals. Teams should be allowed to play in both and then have their pick should they qualify for both instead of being told "hey fuck you, pick 1 qualifier to gamble on!"
2024-08-21 08:29
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Tbf, there's logic in that. Imagine how LAG or FA would feel that they didn't got the chance because of the teams that ultimately did not go to event. Qualifiers also only have 4 teams, more than half of the qualifier would be meaningless unless those double teams just outright lose in the opening round. While what happened is unfair to those who won the open qualifiers, the opposite would be unfair to those who missed their chance over nothing. And because of tight schedule you can't do a new set of qualifiers as well. Now, do they realistically have a chance against Liquid? No, probably not. But that's still experience and games on HLTV (and those count towards Valve ranking, imagine getting it and then just act like games never happened while still getting points for winning both if that happens)
2024-08-21 15:45
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#59
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United States sziasztok
Fair points. This is something that shoulda be figured out before hand. Itd been a difficult rule to word/right, but ESL shouldve established something along the lines that teams already attending one of the closed qualifiers arent allowed to compete in the others open qualifiers
2024-08-22 09:32
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What about b8?
2024-08-21 09:11
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#38
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Spain mavericko19
Its nice to push NA teams to decide Then we complain why dont get them higher in rankings to increase their experience and level Yikes
2024-08-21 09:38
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#39
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Sweden Vrede
Sheesh dates
2024-08-21 12:42
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Still a ehh excuse but understandable
2024-08-21 14:57
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Yea because there would be no way to put a day or 2 between events lol not like these guys have 9-5s they have to request time off for
2024-08-21 19:39
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Fair enough.
2024-08-21 19:45
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Heavy hit for NA qualifier of a qualifier scene
2024-08-21 20:58
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play both alt+tabbing = stonks
2024-08-22 06:41
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#58
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Indonesia rareguy
So... because the time window is small between the two tournaments, if a team that qualifies for both somehow get to final or win the Atlanta, it's pretty hard to directly fly that team to Rio as the time window of the tournament is less than 24 hours? And ESL don't want to deal with "oh sorry we missed Rio/missed the first matches because of tight schedule" or ESL probably want to have several days before the tournament day in Rio to do interview and photoshoot. If the team missed the schedule, ESL have to find some random team that's already in Rio, which is less than ideal... am I understanding it correctly?
2024-08-22 08:17
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